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American Airlines Group Inc.
AAL · US · NASDAQ
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Executives
Name Title Pay
Mr. Ganesh Jayaram Executive Vice President and Chief Digital & Information Officer --
Mr. Devon E. May Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer 5.58M
Ms. Priya R. Aiyar Executive Vice President, Chief Legal Officer & Corporate Secretary 4.66M
Mr. Stephen L. Johnson Chief Strategy Officer & Vice Chair 4.16M
Mr. Robert D. Isom Jr. Chief Executive Officer, President & Director 11.9M
Mr. David G. Seymour Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer 787K
Scott Long Managing Director of Investor Relations --
Mr. Ronald J. Defeo Senior Vice President and Chief Communications & Marketing Officer --
Ms. Mecole Brown Senior Vice President & Chief People Officer --
Mr. Kevin Brickner Senior Vice President of Technical Operations --
Insider Transactions
Date Name Title Acquisition Or Disposition Stock / Options # of Shares Price
2024-07-30 Ungerleider Howard I director A - A-Award Common Stock 11839 0
2024-07-30 Ungerleider Howard I - 0 0
2024-07-12 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 5182 10.68
2024-07-12 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 3169 10.68
2024-06-05 CAHILL JOHN T director A - A-Award Common Stock 12908 0
2024-06-05 Smith Gregory D director A - A-Award Common Stock 30119 0
2024-06-05 Reynal Vicente director A - A-Award Common Stock 12908 0
2024-06-05 Brown Adriane M director A - A-Award Common Stock 12908 0
2024-06-05 STEENLAND DOUGLAS M director A - A-Award Common Stock 12908 0
2024-06-05 HART MATTHEW J director A - A-Award Common Stock 12908 0
2024-06-05 Nesbitt Martin H. director A - A-Award Common Stock 12908 0
2024-06-05 KRONICK SUSAN D director A - A-Award Common Stock 12908 0
2024-06-05 EMBLER MICHAEL J director A - A-Award Common Stock 12908 0
2024-06-05 OLEARY DENISE M director A - A-Award Common Stock 12908 0
2024-05-02 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 26971 13.86
2024-05-02 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 26971 13.86
2024-05-02 Owens Angela SVP Corporate Controller D - F-InKind Common Stock 5011 13.86
2024-05-02 May Devon E EVP Chief Financial Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 22256 13.86
2024-05-02 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 22256 13.86
2024-02-27 Isom Robert D Jr CEO and President A - A-Award Common Stock 723938 0
2024-02-24 Johnson Stephen L Vice Chair D - F-InKind Common Stock 3497 15.13
2024-02-24 Isom Robert D Jr CEO and President D - F-InKind Common Stock 5387 15.13
2024-02-20 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 166598 0
2024-02-20 Johnson Stephen L Vice Chair A - A-Award Common Stock 271496 0
2024-02-20 May Devon E EVP Chief Financial Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 201700 0
2024-02-20 Owens Angela SVP Corporate Controller A - A-Award Common Stock 59523 0
2024-02-20 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 201700 0
2024-02-20 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 201700 0
2024-02-16 Johnson Stephen L Vice Chair D - F-InKind Common Stock 6976 14.64
2024-02-16 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 1768 14.64
2024-02-16 Isom Robert D Jr CEO and President D - F-InKind Common Stock 11478 14.64
2023-12-12 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 21985 14.04
2023-12-12 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 4896 14.04
2023-12-14 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - S-Sale Common Stock 7545 14.3
2023-12-12 Owens Angela SVP Corporate Controller D - F-InKind Common Stock 2858 14.04
2023-12-12 May Devon E EVP Chief Financial Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 11547 14.04
2023-12-12 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 14549 14.04
2023-11-21 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - S-Sale Common Stock 5121 12.29
2023-11-16 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 10413 12.19
2023-11-19 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 7692 12.29
2023-11-16 May Devon E EVP Chief Financial Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 8264 12.19
2023-11-19 May Devon E EVP Chief Financial Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 7692 12.29
2023-11-16 Owens Angela SVP Corporate Controller D - F-InKind Common Stock 2046 12.19
2023-11-19 Owens Angela SVP Corporate Controller D - F-InKind Common Stock 1904 12.29
2023-11-16 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 15702 12.19
2023-11-19 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 14645 12.29
2023-11-16 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 3438 12.19
2023-11-19 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 3323 12.29
2023-11-20 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - S-Sale Common Stock 5298 12.23
2023-09-20 Johnson Stephen L Vice Chair A - A-Award Common Stock 181554 0
2023-09-20 Johnson Stephen L Vice Chair A - A-Award Common Stock 281408 0
2023-09-20 Isom Robert D Jr CEO and President A - A-Award Common Stock 631699 0
2023-09-20 Isom Robert D Jr CEO and President A - A-Award Common Stock 861408 0
2023-07-12 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 65323 0
2023-07-12 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 24400 0
2023-07-12 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 39905 0
2023-05-12 STEENLAND DOUGLAS M director D - S-Sale Common Stock 2000 13.8838
2023-05-15 STEENLAND DOUGLAS M director D - S-Sale Common Stock 1950 14.1
2023-05-10 STEENLAND DOUGLAS M director A - A-Award Common Stock 10460 0
2023-05-10 Smith Gregory D director A - A-Award Common Stock 24407 0
2023-05-10 Reynal Vicente director A - A-Award Common Stock 10460 0
2023-05-10 OLEARY DENISE M director A - A-Award Common Stock 10460 0
2023-05-10 CAHILL JOHN T director A - A-Award Common Stock 10460 0
2023-05-10 Nesbitt Martin H. director A - A-Award Common Stock 10460 0
2023-05-10 KRONICK SUSAN D director A - A-Award Common Stock 10460 0
2023-05-10 HART MATTHEW J director A - A-Award Common Stock 10460 0
2023-05-10 EMBLER MICHAEL J director A - A-Award Common Stock 10460 0
2023-05-10 Brown Adriane M director A - A-Award Common Stock 10460 0
2023-05-10 BENJAMIN JEFFREY D director A - A-Award Common Stock 10460 0
2023-05-02 Owens Angela SVP Corporate Controller A - A-Award Common Stock 61728 0
2023-05-02 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 207696 0
2023-05-02 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 207696 0
2023-05-02 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 171386 0
2023-05-02 May Devon E EVP Chief Financial Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 171386 0
2023-05-01 Owens Angela SVP Corporate Controller D - S-Sale Common Stock 21984 13.79
2023-03-13 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - S-Sale Common Stock 9954 15.07
2023-03-11 Isom Robert D Jr CEO and President D - F-InKind Common Stock 23627 15.46
2023-03-11 Johnson Stephen L EVP D - F-InKind Common Stock 12552 15.46
2023-03-11 PARKER W DOUGLAS director D - F-InKind Common Stock 46033 15.46
2023-02-24 Johnson Stephen L EVP D - F-InKind Common Stock 23518 15.56
2023-02-24 PARKER W DOUGLAS director D - F-InKind Common Stock 26179 15.56
2023-02-24 Isom Robert D Jr CEO and President D - F-InKind Common Stock 33903 15.56
2023-02-18 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 6797 16.36
2023-02-18 Owens Angela VP Corporate Controller D - F-InKind Common Stock 1602 16.36
2023-02-18 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 3540 16.36
2023-02-18 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 3273 16.36
2023-02-18 May Devon E EVP Chief Financial Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 3536 16.36
2023-02-16 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 1745 16.39
2023-02-16 Isom Robert D Jr CEO and President D - F-InKind Common Stock 27791 16.39
2023-02-16 Johnson Stephen L EVP D - F-InKind Common Stock 14311 16.39
2023-02-16 PARKER W DOUGLAS director D - F-InKind Common Stock 50647 16.39
2023-01-31 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer D - S-Sale Common Stock 74614 16.0255
2023-01-01 May Devon E EVP Chief Financial Officer D - Common Stock 0 0
2022-12-12 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 110915 0
2022-12-12 Owens Angela VP Corporate Controller A - A-Award Common Stock 35211 0
2022-12-12 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 37323 0
2022-12-12 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 167605 0
2022-12-01 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 1398 14.05
2022-12-01 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 3209 14.05
2022-11-16 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 7214 14.09
2022-11-16 Owens Angela VP Corporate Controller D - F-InKind Common Stock 2046 14.09
2022-11-16 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 2128 14.09
2022-11-18 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - S-Sale Common Stock 6609 14.29
2022-11-16 Seymour David EVP Chief Operating Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 14308 14.09
2022-10-18 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - S-Sale Common Stock 1851 13.59
2022-10-14 Raja Vasu EVP Chief Commercial Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 596 13.11
2022-10-14 Aiyar Priya EVP Chief Legal Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 5880 13.11
2022-09-06 Reynal Vicente A - A-Award Common Stock 8548 0
2022-09-06 Reynal Vicente - 0 0
2022-08-16 Nesbitt Martin H. A - J-Other Common Stock 12334 0
2022-08-11 Raja Vasu SVP, Chief Commercial Officer D - S-Sale Common Stock 12678 14.98
2022-06-08 Raja Vasu SVP, Chief Commercial Officer D - Common Stock 0 0
2022-06-08 Seymour David SVP Chief Operating Officer D - Common Stock 0 0
2022-06-08 Owens Angela VP Corporate Controller D - Common Stock 0 0
2022-06-08 Aiyar Priya See remarks D - Common Stock 0 0
2022-06-08 STEENLAND DOUGLAS M A - A-Award Common Stock 9287 0
2022-06-08 Smith Gregory D A - A-Award Common Stock 9287 0
2022-06-08 ROBINSON RAY M A - A-Award Common Stock 9287 0
2022-06-08 OLEARY DENISE M A - A-Award Common Stock 9287 0
2022-06-08 HART MATTHEW J A - A-Award Common Stock 9287 0
2022-06-08 EMBLER MICHAEL J A - A-Award Common Stock 9287 0
2022-06-08 Nesbitt Martin H. A - A-Award Common Stock 9287 0
2022-06-08 KRONICK SUSAN D A - A-Award Common Stock 9287 0
2022-06-08 CAHILL JOHN T A - G-Gift Common Stock 25552 0
2022-06-08 CAHILL JOHN T A - A-Award Common Stock 9287 0
2022-05-04 CAHILL JOHN T director D - G-Gift Common Stock 25552 0
2022-06-08 Brown Adriane M A - A-Award Common Stock 9287 0
2022-06-08 BENJAMIN JEFFREY D A - A-Award Common Stock 9287 0
2022-06-08 ALBAUGH JAMES F A - A-Award Common Stock 9287 0
2022-06-08 PARKER W DOUGLAS A - A-Award Common Stock 185758 0
2022-02-24 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO A - A-Award Common Stock 153008 0
2022-02-24 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs A - A-Award Common Stock 158904 0
2022-02-24 Isom Robert D Jr President A - A-Award Common Stock 215390 0
2022-02-24 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO A - A-Award Common Stock 176886 0
2022-02-24 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 156250 0
2022-02-18 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 6808 17.87
2022-02-18 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 6823 17.87
2022-02-18 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications D - F-InKind Common Stock 6821 17.87
2022-02-18 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 6844 17.87
2022-02-18 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - F-InKind Common Stock 24518 17.87
2022-02-18 Isom Robert D Jr President D - F-InKind Common Stock 12517 17.87
2022-02-16 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - F-InKind Common Stock 51828 18.82
2022-02-16 Isom Robert D Jr President D - F-InKind Common Stock 29093 18.82
2022-02-16 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 15493 18.82
2022-02-16 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 15529 18.82
2022-02-16 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 15529 18.82
2022-02-16 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications D - F-InKind Common Stock 15493 18.82
2022-02-16 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 15119 18.82
2022-01-18 Smith Gregory D director A - A-Award Common Stock 3260 0
2022-01-18 Smith Gregory D director I - Common Stock 0 0
2021-12-10 ROBINSON RAY M director A - A-Award Common Stock 357 0
2021-12-10 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO A - A-Award Common Stock 248 0
2021-12-09 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 454 0
2021-12-09 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 110 17.93
2021-06-09 STEENLAND DOUGLAS M director A - A-Award Common Stock 6289 0
2021-06-09 ROBINSON RAY M director A - A-Award Common Stock 6289 0
2021-06-09 OLEARY DENISE M director A - A-Award Common Stock 6289 0
2021-06-09 Nesbitt Martin H. director A - A-Award Common Stock 6289 0
2021-06-09 Nesbitt Martin H. director A - A-Award Common Stock 6289 0
2021-06-09 KRONICK SUSAN D director A - A-Award Common Stock 6289 0
2021-06-09 HART MATTHEW J director A - A-Award Common Stock 6289 0
2021-06-09 EMBLER MICHAEL J director A - A-Award Common Stock 6289 0
2021-06-09 Brown Adriane M director A - A-Award Common Stock 6289 0
2021-06-09 BENJAMIN JEFFREY D director A - A-Award Common Stock 6289 0
2021-06-09 ALBAUGH JAMES F director A - A-Award Common Stock 6289 0
2021-06-09 CAHILL JOHN T director A - A-Award Common Stock 6289 0
2021-02-20 Brown Adriane M director A - A-Award Common Stock 2375 0
2021-02-20 Brown Adriane M - 0 0
2021-02-18 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - F-InKind Common Stock 40144 17.71
2021-02-19 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - F-InKind Common Stock 19256 18.68
2021-02-18 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 8393 17.71
2021-02-19 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 3220 18.68
2021-02-18 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 8392 17.71
2021-02-19 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 3220 18.68
2021-02-18 Isom Robert D Jr President D - F-InKind Common Stock 16705 17.71
2021-02-19 Isom Robert D Jr President D - F-InKind Common Stock 9809 18.68
2021-02-18 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 8391 17.71
2021-02-18 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 8391 17.71
2021-02-19 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 3220 18.68
2021-02-19 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 3220 18.68
2021-02-18 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications D - F-InKind Common Stock 8383 17.71
2021-02-19 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications D - F-InKind Common Stock 3220 18.68
2021-02-16 Isom Robert D Jr President A - A-Award Common Stock 234568 0
2021-02-16 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications A - A-Award Common Stock 158530 0
2021-02-16 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO A - A-Award Common Stock 404040 0
2021-02-16 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs A - A-Award Common Stock 158530 0
2021-02-16 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 156004 0
2021-02-16 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO A - A-Award Common Stock 158530 0
2020-10-08 STEENLAND DOUGLAS M director A - A-Award Common Stock 7656 0
2020-10-08 STEENLAND DOUGLAS M - 0 0
2020-06-10 ROBINSON RAY M director A - A-Award Common Stock 8813 0
2020-06-10 OLEARY DENISE M director A - A-Award Common Stock 8813 0
2020-06-10 Nesbitt Martin H. director A - A-Award Common Stock 8813 0
2020-06-10 KRONICK SUSAN D director A - A-Award Common Stock 8813 0
2020-06-10 HART MATTHEW J director A - A-Award Common Stock 8813 0
2020-06-10 EMBLER MICHAEL J director A - A-Award Common Stock 8813 0
2020-06-10 CAHILL JOHN T director A - A-Award Common Stock 8813 0
2020-06-10 BENJAMIN JEFFREY D director A - A-Award Common Stock 8813 0
2020-06-10 ALBAUGH JAMES F director A - A-Award Common Stock 8813 0
2020-04-25 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 6303 10.31
2020-04-25 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 6303 10.31
2020-04-25 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 6303 10.31
2020-04-25 Isom Robert D Jr President D - F-InKind Common Stock 11883 10.31
2020-04-25 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 6303 10.31
2020-04-25 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - F-InKind Common Stock 29081 10.31
2020-04-25 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications D - F-InKind Common Stock 6303 10.31
2020-02-28 EMBLER MICHAEL J director A - P-Purchase Common Stock 4000 19.328
2020-02-28 CAHILL JOHN T director A - P-Purchase Common Stock 25000 18.965
2020-02-28 CAHILL JOHN T director A - P-Purchase Common Stock 25000 18.965
2020-02-24 CAHILL JOHN T director A - P-Purchase Common Stock 25000 25.1351
2019-02-14 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 1992 0
2020-02-18 Isom Robert D Jr President A - A-Award Common Stock 190848 0
2020-02-19 Isom Robert D Jr President D - F-InKind Common Stock 14344 28.33
2020-02-20 Isom Robert D Jr President D - F-InKind Common Stock 6531 28.51
2020-02-18 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 101222 0
2020-02-19 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 6492 28.33
2020-02-20 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 2144 28.51
2020-02-18 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO A - A-Award Common Stock 101222 0
2020-02-19 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 6489 28.33
2020-02-20 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 2144 28.51
2020-02-18 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs A - A-Award Common Stock 101222 0
2020-02-18 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs A - A-Award Common Stock 101222 0
2020-02-19 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 6491 28.33
2020-02-19 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 6491 28.33
2020-02-20 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 2144 28.51
2020-02-20 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 2144 28.51
2020-02-18 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO A - A-Award Common Stock 367586 0
2020-02-19 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - F-InKind Common Stock 33456 28.33
2020-02-20 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - F-InKind Common Stock 13615 28.51
2020-02-18 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications A - A-Award Common Stock 101222 0
2020-02-19 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications D - F-InKind Common Stock 6489 28.33
2020-02-20 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications D - F-InKind Common Stock 2144 28.51
2019-10-28 ALBAUGH JAMES F director A - P-Purchase Common Stock 10000 31.407
2019-10-18 Isom Robert D Jr President D - F-InKind Common Stock 5151 28.22
2019-08-29 Isom Robert D Jr President A - P-Purchase Common Stock 2500 26.3376
2019-08-02 ROBINSON RAY M director D - S-Sale Common Stock 6930 29.1115
2019-08-05 EMBLER MICHAEL J director A - P-Purchase Common Stock 4000 28.1799
2019-06-12 ROBINSON RAY M director A - A-Award Common Stock 4823 0
2019-06-12 OLEARY DENISE M director A - A-Award Common Stock 4823 0
2019-06-12 OLEARY DENISE M director A - A-Award Common Stock 4823 0
2019-06-12 Nesbitt Martin H. director A - A-Award Common Stock 4823 0
2019-06-12 KRONICK SUSAN D director A - A-Award Common Stock 4823 0
2019-06-12 HART MATTHEW J director A - A-Award Common Stock 4823 0
2019-06-12 EMBLER MICHAEL J director A - A-Award Common Stock 4823 0
2019-06-12 CAHILL JOHN T director A - A-Award Common Stock 4823 0
2019-06-12 BENJAMIN JEFFREY D director A - A-Award Common Stock 4823 0
2019-06-12 ALBAUGH JAMES F director A - A-Award Common Stock 4823 0
2019-06-04 CAHILL JOHN T director A - P-Purchase Common Stock 25000 28.5989
2019-06-04 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO A - P-Purchase Common Stock 50000 28.0857
2019-06-04 Isom Robert D Jr President A - P-Purchase Common Stock 15000 27.75
2019-06-04 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs A - P-Purchase Common Stock 5000 27.7163
2019-06-04 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer A - P-Purchase Common Stock 5000 27.63
2019-06-04 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications A - P-Purchase Common Stock 5000 27.7639
2019-06-04 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications A - P-Purchase Common Stock 5000 27.7639
2019-06-04 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO A - P-Purchase Common Stock 5000 27.7639
2019-04-25 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - F-InKind Common Stock 14667 33.41
2019-04-25 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 3732 33.41
2019-04-25 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 3732 33.41
2019-04-25 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 3732 33.41
2019-04-25 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 3732 33.41
2019-04-25 Isom Robert D Jr President D - F-InKind Common Stock 7036 33.41
2019-04-25 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications D - F-InKind Common Stock 3732 33.41
2019-04-20 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - F-InKind Common Stock 41053 34.37
2019-04-20 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer D - F-InKind Common Stock 8899 34.37
2019-04-20 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 8899 34.37
2019-04-20 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 8899 34.37
2019-04-20 Isom Robert D Jr President D - F-InKind Common Stock 10678 34.37
2019-04-20 EBERWEIN ELISE R EVP People and Communications D - F-InKind Common Stock 8899 34.37
2019-04-11 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO A - M-Exempt Common Stock 294748 7.62
2019-04-11 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - D-Return Common Stock 66020 34.02
2019-04-11 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - F-InKind Common Stock 90005 34.02
2019-04-11 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - M-Exempt Stock Appreciation Rights 294748 7.62
2019-04-11 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs A - M-Exempt Common Stock 117287 7.62
2019-04-11 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - D-Return Common Stock 26271 34.02
2019-04-11 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - F-InKind Common Stock 35815 34.02
2019-04-11 Johnson Stephen L EVP Corporate Affairs D - M-Exempt Stock Appreciation Rights 117287 7.62
2019-02-19 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO A - A-Award Common Stock 79320 0
2019-02-20 KERR DEREK J Executive VP and CFO D - F-InKind Common Stock 4323 35.06
2019-02-19 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO A - A-Award Common Stock 319143 0
2019-02-20 PARKER W DOUGLAS Chairman and CEO D - F-InKind Common Stock 23159 35.06
2019-02-19 Isom Robert D Jr President A - A-Award Common Stock 149548 0
2019-02-20 Isom Robert D Jr President D - F-InKind Common Stock 8808 35.06
2019-02-19 Leibman Maya EVP Chief Information Officer A - A-Award Common Stock 79320 0
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Transcripts
Operator:
Thank you for standing by, and welcome to American Airlines Group’s Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to hand the call over to Scott Long, VP of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Please go ahead.
Scott Long:
Thank you, Lateef. Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group’s second quarter 2024 earnings conference call. On the call with prepared remarks, we have our CEO, Robert Isom, and our CFO, Devon May. In addition to our Vice Chair, Steve Johnson, we have a number of other senior executives in the room this morning for the Q&A session. Robert will start the call with an overview of our performance and Devon will follow with details on the second quarter in addition to outlining our operating plans and outlook going forward. After our prepared remarks, we’ll open the call for analyst questions, followed by questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Before we begin today, we must state that today’s call contains forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecasts of capacity, and fleet plans. These statements represent our predictions and expectations of future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release that was issued this morning, as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2024. In addition, we’ll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release, which can be found in the investor relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information we are giving you on the call this morning is as of today’s date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thank you for your interest and for joining us this morning, and with that, I’ll turn the call over to our CEO, Robert Isom.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. This morning, American reported an adjusted pre-tax profit of $1 billion for the second quarter, driven by record quarterly revenue of $14.3 billion. We finished the quarter in line with our revised guidance, with second quarter adjusted earnings per diluted share of $1.09 despite the impact of significant weather events on our operation in May and June. Before I get into more detail on our second quarter results and outlook, I want to first acknowledge that our current revenue performance is not where we want it to be. In May, we made a sizable adjustment to our revenue and earnings expectations for the second quarter, driven by an imbalance in domestic supply and demand and our prior sales and distribution strategy. We know we can do better and we will rise to meet this challenge. I’ll begin with an update on those two key areas that are impacting our results, the softness in the domestic marketplace and our sales and distribution strategy. I’ll also outline the clear and decisive actions that we’re taking to course correct. First, on the softer domestic revenue environment. In the second quarter, we saw the impact of too much industry supply in the domestic market, especially in regions of the country where we have larger operations. That excess capacity led to a higher level of discounting activity in the quarter than we had anticipated. As we said we would, to address the domestic softness, we pulled down our planned capacity growth in the back half of the year. To better align our growth with demand expectations, we now plan to grow capacity by approximately 3.5% in the second half of the year. Second, our sales and distribution strategy. In late May, I said our sales and distribution strategy was not working and we needed to make a change. We’re taking actions that will improve our performance, but a reset will take some time and we will continue to feel the impact of our prior sales and distribution strategy on revenue and earnings through the remainder of this year, which is reflected in our updated full year guidance. Let me outline the three key parts of our plan in leadership and organization, in working with the travel agency community, and in addressing the needs of our corporate customers. With regard to our commercial organization, we immediately took action and changed senior leadership. Steve, our vice chair, second in command, and most seasoned and accomplished executive has taken charge of our commercial efforts, reorganized the team, completed a deep dive on issues and opportunities, and laid out a recovery plan that we are executing on quickly. We have also strengthened our revenue forecasting processes. Our near-term actions are concentrated on winning back customers in our share of revenue in agency and business channels. To that end, in June, we reinstated fares in the distribution channel traditionally used by travel agencies and corporate managed travel programs. Approximately $14 billion of our annual revenue was booked through this system in 2023. This action ensures our product is available wherever customers want to buy it, and removes the most objected-to pain point of our previous distribution strategy. Next, we engaged our large TMC partners to put in place new incentive-based agreements to restore our share in those channels. Those efforts have been well-received, and we are having good conversations with companies including Amex GDP, with which we have a longstanding relationship. We expect agreements with TMC soon, and we will then work to reengage the broader business and leisure agency community. Additionally, we have eliminated plans to differentiate how customers earn miles based on where they book their travel, removing another significant obstacle impacting booking behavior and business relationships. Our products need to be attractive and easy to engage with. A significant piece of that is our AAdvantage Business Program, which replaced our previous unmanaged programs for business travelers. Those previous programs generated more than $2.5 billion in revenue in 2023, nearly 75% of which was booked through travel agencies. With recent changes, we have now expanded the AAdvantage Business Programs benefits so that participating companies will earn miles, and end travelers will earn loyalty points wherever they book, including through travel agencies. Several more improvements are on the way to make the program easier for travel managers to use, and we have established a dedicated help desk for AAdvantage Business customers. Our agency and corporate partners have made it clear they want additional support as they do business with American. We have prioritized adding resources to our sales and sales support team, and have made good progress already. In addition to the dedicated AAdvantage Business desk, the team has hired new account managers for our corporate customers, with more to come as we evaluate the appropriate level of staffing going forward. In August, we will significantly increase resources dedicated to sales support to give customers the assistance they need. The agency and corporate customer response to these changes has been positive, and we are starting to see shares shift back to American. Our partners are incredibly important to American, and we recognize we have a lot of relationships to repair. I have spoken with more than 30 of my counterparts at our largest corporate customers to get honest and candid feedback. And these meetings and calls are occurring in parallel with our team’s efforts to engage with customers at the travel manager level. The feedback we’ve heard demonstrates that changes we have made are focused on the right areas, and that agencies and corporate customers want to work with us as we continue to adjust our strategy. We will continue to listen and further refine our plans as needed. All of these actions and more to come are a sign of our commitment to win back any customers we have lost. We’ve made a lot of progress from where we were in late May, but we still have a lot of work ahead of us. Success will ultimately be measured by improved revenue performance and earnings, but it will take time. In the near term, we will measure success by tracking our agency and corporate share performance and the adoption of AAdvantage Business, and by the feedback we are hearing from our agency partners and corporate customers. I’m confident we’ll regain the standing in the agency and corporate channel, and that, combined with our direct distribution strength, will put us back on track to producing revenues that will meet and exceed our long-term financial targets. Now, I want to spend a few minutes discussing our second quarter revenue performance in more detail. Our unit revenue was down 5.6% year-over-year in the second quarter, in line with our revised guidance. Domestic PRASM in the second quarter was down 6.4% year-over-year, both short haul and long haul international PRASM performed in line with our initial expectations, with transatlantic unit revenue up year-over-year on 6.3% higher capacity. Revenue from our large managed corporations was up approximately 3% year-over-year in the second quarter. This performance is not reflective of our fair share of corporate revenue, and we’re addressing it with the actions we’re taking. We have work to do to get our distribution strategy back on track, but as a global network carrier, we have access to premium and loyalty revenue streams that will continue to perform well. Demand for our premium product and overall engagement with the Advantage program remains strong. In the second quarter, premium revenue, or revenue from customers seated in first, business, premium economy, and main and cabin extra, increased 9% year-over-year. Paid load factor in our premium cabins remains historically high, and was up more than 6 points year-over-year, with strength in both domestic and international. With a planned refresh of existing aircraft and the expected deliveries of new aircraft, premium seating on American’s fleet is expected to grow by more than 20% by 2026. AAdvantage Program membership continues to grow. Loyalty revenues were up approximately 8% year-over-year, and AAdvantage members are responsible for 74% of premium cabin revenue. Total spending on our co-branded credit cards was up double digits year-over-year in the second quarter, once again, highlighting the value of American’s loyalty program. Turning now to our operation. In the second quarter, the American Airlines team produced strong operational results, despite some of the most difficult spring weather conditions we have ever faced and continued challenges with several of our suppliers. Spring is always a good test for our summer preparedness, and the weather we encountered in May and June tested us like never before. Just as we’d ramped up to summer level capacity in mid-May, we were faced with severe weather that affected operations at multiple hubs and impacted our operational performance, and the volatility continued into June. By mid-June, we had regained our operational momentum, and it’s clear our underlying resilience is strong, and we’ve made further strides in our ability to recover swiftly from these events. We’ve done an outstanding job of managing through unexpected weather disruptions, and our frontline team deserves tremendous credit for their efforts to get the airline back on track again and again. Speaking of disruptions, I’d be remiss if I didn’t take a moment to applaud the entire American Airlines team for their work last week to quickly recover from the global crowd strike outage that hit businesses and governments worldwide. By Friday evening, American’s operation had recovered and was set up for a strong weekend. On Saturday, we ran a near 99% completion factor, and were fully recovered. The best operational performance among U.S. network carriers over the weekend. American recovers from irregular operations better than anyone in the industry, and that was certainly the case following Friday’s unprecedented disruption. Finally, and importantly, we’re pleased to have reached a tentative agreement on a new contract with our Association of Professional Flight Attendants. Upon ratification, this contract will provide immediate financial quality of life improvements for Americans flight attendants, one that we’re proud of and one our flight attendants have earned. I’ll come back in a few minutes for some final thoughts, but now I’ll turn it over to Devon to talk more about our second quarter financial results and the outlook for the third quarter in full year.
Devon May:
Thank you, Robert. Excluding net special items, we reported a second quarter net income of $774 million or adjusted earnings per diluted share of $1.09. We produced record revenue of $14.3 billion in the quarter, up 2% year-over-year. Unit revenue was down 5.6% year-over-year on 8% more capacity. Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 15.7%, and we produced an adjusted operating margin of 9.7%. Our unit cost, excluding net special items and fuel, was down 0.1% year-over-year. On our fleet, we now expect to take delivery of 20 new mainline aircraft this year, down slightly from our previous estimate of 22 aircraft. The remaining planned aircraft deliveries this year include 11 Boeing 737 MAX 8, 3 787-9, and 3 Airbus A321neo. We’ve taken delivery of 6th Embraer E175 this year and expect to take delivery of 6 more E175 through the remainder of the year. With these adjustments to our aircraft delivery schedule, we now expect our 2024 aircraft CapEx to be approximately $2 billion, and our total CapEx to be approximately $2.9 billion. We continue to expect these moderate levels of CapEx to remain through the end of the decade, with aircraft CapEx plans to be between $3 billion and $3.5 billion per year from 2025 through 2030. In the second quarter, we produced approximately $850 million of free cash flow, and ended the quarter with $11.7 billion in total available liquidity. We reduced total debt by approximately $680 million in the second quarter, and we have now reduced total debt by $13 billion from peak levels in mid-2021. We remain on track to reduce total debt by $15 billion from peak levels by the end of 2025. Now I’d like to walk you through our outlook for the third quarter and provide an update on our full-year guidance. In addition to commercial execution, our focus continues to be on delivering a reliable operation, maximizing profitability, and re-engineering our business to drive savings and greater productivity and a better experience for our customers and team members. As we have stated in the past and shown with our recent capacity reduction, we will remain nimble in our planning to ensure our growth is in line with our expectations of demand. As Robert mentioned, we lowered our planned capacity growth in the back half of the year and now plan to grow capacity by approximately 3% in the third quarter, with August up approximately 2%, and September up less than 1% year-over-year. With these adjustments, we expect to produce less capacity in the third quarter of this year than we did in the same period of 2019. We expect third quarter of TRASM to be down 2.5% to 4.5% and full-year TRASM to be down 3% to 5% versus 2023. Our work to re-engineer the business is progressing well. We are ahead of plan and expect to deliver approximately $400 million in cost savings in 2024. Additionally, we continue to find opportunities to improve working capital. By the end of this year, we now expect to have achieved more than $300 million in incremental working capital improvement, which is in addition to the $100 million we achieved in 2023. Third quarter, CASMx is expected to be up approximately 1% to 3% year-over-year. We expect our full-year CASMx to be up approximately 1% to 3% consistent with our prior guidance, despite lower planned capacity growth. Our current forecast for the third quarter assumes a fuel price of between $2.55 and $2.75 per gallon. Based on our current demand assumptions and fuel price forecast, we expect to produce an adjusted operating margin of between 2% and 4% in the third quarter and approximately breakeven adjusted earnings per share. We now expect to deliver a full year operating margin of between 3.5% and 5.5%. This guidance is based on our current demand expectations and assumes a fuel price of between $2.65 and $2.75 per gallon. At the midpoint of our full-year guidance, we now anticipate producing adjusted earnings per diluted share of approximately $1 and free cash flow of approximately $500 million. These results are not good enough. Our team is focused on commercial execution and delivering results and I’m confident we can close our relative margin gap with our peers and achieve our long-term financial targets. Now, I’ll turn it back to Robert for closing remarks.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Devon. Our airline is designed to deliver results, results for our shareholders, results for our customers and results for our team members. We have not met our expectations this year and our entire team is focused on working with urgency to get us back on track, improve results and deliver on our commitment. That will drive value for our shareholders and all of our stakeholders. As we take a step back, the foundation of our business remains strong and our priorities remain the same. Our operational reliability continues to perform at historically strong levels. Our fleet is the best among U.S. network carriers and drives enormous value for the airline. With this fleet, we have stable and moderate CapEx through the end of the decade. We’ve made great progress in strengthening our balance sheet and remain on track to reduce our total debt by $15 billion by the end of next year. Our network is well positioned and we are working to finalize our co-branded credit card negotiations. We’re ahead of planning in re-engineering our business to operate more efficiently and productively and we’re managing our costs better than anyone in the industry. We’re committed to delivering on a strategy that maximizes our revenue and profitability and importantly, one that makes it easy for customers to do business with American. We remain committed to deliver margin expansion, free cash flow and continued debt reduction over the long-term. When we return to their level of revenue production we know we can achieve and couple that with our operational reliability and best-in-class cost management we will unlock significant value. Operator, you may now open the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank.
Michael Linenberg:
Oh hey, good morning everybody. Hey Robert and David, appreciate you giving us the full year TRASM guide so we actually have third quarter and fourth quarter and just based on that by inference it would suggest that that fourth quarter is still going to be under pressure. In fact it could be negative and yet when I think about the decel and your own capacity growth and what we’re seeing around in the industry. As we look into that fourth quarter is it that the corporate disruption or your strategy, your sales and distribution strategy and the impact that it’s had on the corporates that it’s going to take a lot longer or embedded in that are there other factors like maybe more moderate demand, demand sluggishness, whether it’s U.S. or international. That revenue forecast does seem a bit anemic in the fourth quarter. If you could drill down into that it would be great. Thanks, and I have one more.
Robert Isom:
Hey Mike, I’ll start. Hey look the forecast that we produce is based on what we see in the marketplace today. We all know that there’s a supply and demand imbalance and we’re taking swift action to make sure that we are reducing our planned capacity growth in the back half of the year but it’s still a murky environment from that perspective and we’re going to have to see where the industry settles. A lot of our problem is caused by our sales and distribution strategy that we put in place in 2023. We think that it’s had about three quarters of a billion dollars impact in the first six months of the year. We’ve more or less assumed that that is going to be what happens in the back half, but I’ll say this though, it doesn’t take into account what we’re going to be doing to try to win back our share. We don’t know how long it’s going to be it’s going to take. You’ve heard about some of the things that we’ve done. We’ve seen modest improvements in terms of capturing share in the indirect channel based on just making sure that we’re fully available within edifact from a content perspective. We’re renegotiating our agency contracts right now and getting new agreements in place and we’re reaching out to our corporate. So our intent is certainly to do everything we can to get back on a better pace but right now we’re building in what we see in the marketplace.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay, great. And just my second just with respect to leadership you talked about leadership changes. Presumably Steve’s move over to commercial is a temporary one. Have you identified someone or is there a search to actually bring on a commercial officer, chief commercial officer and/or in your sales side of the business plans to not only rebuild it but you know bring back someone like an Alison Taylor make it you know someone within you know a more senior position and a bigger operation. Just comments on that. Thank you. Thanks for taking my question.
Robert Isom:
Hey Mike hey I’ll just start with this. We know what we have to get done and I’ve asked Steve to take over the commercial team and he’s doing just that. As I said in my comments he’s our most seasoned and experienced and accomplished executive. His whole career has been dedicated to addressing and solving really complex problems. He knows our company. He knows the business really well. He knows our people. He’s reorganized his team. He’s done an immediate dive into what we need to take it to take care of right away. We’re doing that. We’re moving incredibly quickly and Steve’s going to take care of this until we get the job done.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Scott Group of Wolfe Research.
Scott Group:
Hey thanks it’s Scott. So I know you guys are slowing capacity growth but we’re still growing off of a base of a lot of growth in second half last year. So I guess why aren’t we being more aggressive in reducing capacity? Should we potentially be shrinking capacity right now? And then I guess we’re not. So maybe can you talk a little about the capacity plans for 2025? And if I can I just want to sort of marry that to some of the CapEx views. Just you know given the current earnings run rate and implied sort of cash burn I guess. Can you more materially can we is there opportunities to sort of cut the CapEx that I think is set to go up a bunch next year?
Robert Isom:
Scott thanks for the question. Just first off in terms of capacity. Again, reason for adjusting capacity supply and demand imbalance and it’s led to pricing weakness. From that perspective we take an action as quickly as we can and from that perspective you’ll see that our total growth in our total capacity in the third quarter is now planned to be actually a little bit less than where we were in the third quarter of 2019. The capacity adjustments we’ve made, Devon can help me with this, in August is we pulled down to 1% growth.
Devon May:
Yes and July capacity was effectively set as we went through and updated guidance in May. But we now have August capacity growing by about 2% and September will be growing by less than 1%.
Robert Isom:
Scott as we take a look at into the fourth quarter and then beyond we’re going to react to the marketplace and making sure that we’re competitive but at the same time you’re doing what’s right for profitability. So as we take a look at the 2025 we’re going to be very diligent in assessing and making sure that we’re certainly not outgrowing demand.
Devon May:
Scott just on your second question around CapEx and where we’re at with cash, we still are expecting to produce free cash flow this year. While modest we expect around 500 million of free cash flow in 2024. As we look out to next year we do have a step up in CapEx but it’s not that significant. It’s just one of the great things about our fleet and where we’re at. We have pretty modest CapEx going forward. We’ve talked about CapEx being in that $3 billion to $3.5 billion range for aircraft in 2025 through 2030. I expect 2025 is going to be at the low end of that range and possibly even slightly below that guidance.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker of JPMorgan Securities.
Jamie Baker:
Oh, hey, good morning everybody. So in a perfect world for Americans, so let’s just, ignore aircraft constraints for the moment. If you could just snap your fingers, what do you think Americans optimal domestic to international balance would be? I mean, it seems like part of the problem, at least from my perspective, is that you’re oversized domestically undersized internationally. Perhaps you don’t agree with that, but just wondering your thoughts in this regard.
Robert Isom:
Hey, Jamie, thanks for the question. Look, there’s no perfect world. And in terms of snapping fingers, we all know that, we’re the product of, years and years of building our network and our system. I really like where we are from a network perspective. One of the things you, everybody needs to be mindful of is that regional differences in terms of growth and profitability are going to happen. It happened every year. And there’s differences in terms of international demand versus domestic. When you take a look at our network and where we’re strongest, it fits very well with where both population growth and economic demand is forecast now and long into the future. The basis for international is our domestic network and our ability to fly into our partner’s hubs and into secondary cities in Europe and Asia and South America. It’s built on the strength of our North American network. And we’re really pleased with what we’ve built over time. Short haul international and MCLA. We’re really pleased with what we’ve built in terms of our hub structure. So my answer to your question is I love the basis on which we can operate. And as we see where demand strength around the world is going and how it’s going to change, we’re going to build off of the strength that we’ve put so much time and energy in over the years.
Jamie Baker:
Okay, thanks for that perspective. And second, as we think about advantage, given some of the -- profit challenges, do you think that that alters your hoped for improvements in loyalty returns? I’m just putting myself in, let’s just say, Citi bank shoes. For example, if Delta and Amex returns other gold standard for loyalty, I just have to wonder if Citi would take your profitability into consideration as you renegotiate. Is that a flawed assumption?
Robert Isom:
I think it is a flawed assumption. Look, loyalty revenue has been one of the bright spots in terms of our revenue performance year-over-year. And I think, Devon helped me out, loyalty revenues grew by eight percent year-over-year over year. We think that we can do a lot better than that. And it’s based on not only what I see in our loyalty program and how attractive it is to our customers, but also by our partners. City is certainly, at the forefront of that. They absolutely want to get involved in more and deeper ways. We’re going to take advantage of that. And the opportunity for us is actually making up some of the ground versus where our other network peers are. And I have great confidence we’re going to be able to do that because I know that in terms of the negotiations that we’re pursuing, that it’s going to be a better deal in the long run and produce results that I think will be very positive.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Savi Syth of Raymond James.
Savanthi Syth:
Hey, good morning, everyone. Just kind of wondering on the on the cost side, the execution has been better and wondering what’s driving that. And as you kind of build back your sales force, do you do see any changes there? Or, do you expect to kind of continue outperforming on the cost side?
Robert Isom:
Well, we are really proud of our cost performance over the past several years. We have been industry leaders in our unit cost performance, and it’s just been focused across the board. It starts with a really strong operation. But we’ve been talking a lot about how we are re-engineering the business for efficiency and leaning into technology to drive better productivity and a better experience for our team members and customers. So we’re continuing on that. I feel we’re progressing really well. I do expect some amount of cost pressure as we rebuild the sales staff. There’s going to be some cost pressure as commissions go up, but I think we’re managing cost better than anybody, and as we get into 2025, we’ll have the same focus that we’ve had for the past several years.
Devon May:
Hey, and Savi, I’ll just add to that. That’s one of the things that gives me great pride in what the company has done, but also it’s the basis on which we’re building back. We’ve managed cost better than anybody, but it’s not in its name. We’ve run the most reliable airline in terms of completion factor over the last year or so, and it’s evidenced by what we were able to do with the crowd strike issue. We’ve got a great fleet, low CapEx. As I mentioned earlier, we’re going to be renegotiating our co-brand credit card relationships, and I do think that there’s even further things that we’re going to be able to do from a cost perspective. What we’ve got to focus on right now is regaining the share that we seeded from an agency and a corporate perspective. When we get that back, which we will, and you add that to the strength that we have in the other areas that I mentioned, we’re going to get back on track, margin expansion, free cash flow production, and then a continuous path to improving our balance sheet strength.
Savanthi Syth:
That’s helpful, and if I might, on the capacity side, just going to follow up Scott’s question there. What’s your domestic capacity growth run right here versus international? I’m guessing with the fleet delays, it’s still a lot more domestic capacity growth where you’re seeing more of the pressure as well.
Robert Isom:
Sorry about that. The domestic details year-over-year, we do have domestic capacity up in the third quarter by about 3.5%. It’ll be probably closer to 3% as we look out to the fourth quarter as we sit here today. As Robert mentioned earlier, fourth quarter schedules aren’t finalized and we’ll continue to adjust based on the demand environment that we’re seeing.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Conor Cunningham of Melius Research.
Conor Cunningham:
Hi, everyone. Thank you. You mentioned that you’re starting to win back some share on the business side. I’m just curious on how you’re doing that. Is there a cost headwind associated with it? I’m just trying to understand the margin profile as it’s won back from others out there. Thank you.
Robert Isom:
Hey, Conor. I’ll start with, look, the actions we’ve taken so far have been really straightforward, and that is making sure that Americans’ content and product is available to any channel that wants to access it. That’s done. And that’s just that alone has resulted in us winning back passenger share. Now, the next steps to that are then going to be making sure that we reestablish productive relationships with the travel management companies and agencies. We’re doing that. And I believe that that will unlock further share growth. And then on top of that, as I mentioned in my comments, I’ve talked to dozens of corporations. And after getting content available and then also making sure that we have appropriate relationships and agreements in place with travel management companies, the next is to make sure that we’re doing everything that we can to have the right agreements in place with our corporate customers and to support them in a way that they feel valued. I know that we’ve started down that path, and everything that we’re doing is about winning back that share. I’ll just be frank. We over-indexed on direct, and we’ve got to find a way to play in the richer pool of indirect revenue. And that starts with having content, having relationships, positive relationships with travel management companies and agencies, and then supporting our corporate customers in ways that they feel valued.
Conor Cunningham:
Okay. Helpful. And then I get that you’re making changes to distribution and your network orientation isn’t one for one, but in the past, you’ve talked about how you’re pleased with the network product, the onboard experience. You mentioned that you plan on closing the margin gap. I just struggle to see how that happens without a more wholesome look at the product and networking. The reason why I ask is there is an ongoing concern just around liquidity, for you guys as cash burn kind of continues to be where it is today. Thank you.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Connor. Look, I’ll start with this. Up until through 2023, we had been closing the margin gap with our top competitors. The one thing that we did differently than others in 2023 is we put in place a new sales and distribution strategy. We’ve recognized that that’s not working, and we’re making immediate adjustments to that. I’ve sized it for you in terms of the impact, which is large. And that is, I think it’s had an impact of about $750 million in the first six months of the year. That is something that we know that we can reverse and get back on the track of where we had been, which was, up until the first quarter of this year, seven consecutive quarters of profitability, really, doing a nice job of hitting guidance and closing margin gap. That is something that’s still all in front of us. Our product is, our network is certainly well positioned. Our product is as well. That said, just like the rest of the industry, there’s a supply and demand imbalance. We’re taking action. I think that’s going to help considerably. But you’ll see us get back on track as we capture our share to, as I said before, margin expansion, free cash flow production, and making sure that we have a solid balance sheet. Devon?
Devon May:
Yes, Conor, just on your question on where cash is, and you mentioned cash burn. As we talked about in the script, we don’t have cash burn this year. We’re producing free cash flow. We ended the second quarter with over $11 billion of liquidity. We have reduced total debt by $13 billion from peak levels. Our net debt is lower today than it was at the end of 2019. So from a cash perspective, we feel we’re in really good shape. We expect to continue to delever as we go through 2025, and we expect to hit our 2025 target of total debt reduction of $15 billion.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tom Fitzgerald of TD Cowen.
Thomas Fitzgerald:
Hi, everyone. Thanks very much for the time. Could you talk about the PSP loans resetting to a much higher variable rate in the coming, 18, 20 months, and just how you’re thinking about balancing those needs?
Robert Isom:
Okay. Yes, sorry. For the PSP loans, they do reset as we’re going forward. I think they’re still for plus 200. So still a pretty good rate for us, but we’ll continue to watch the market, and if the marketplace allows for refinancing at better rates, we’d look to do that. But for now, we’d see them remaining outstanding until maturity.
Thomas Fitzgerald:
Okay. Thanks very much. I’m sorry.
Robert Isom:
Go ahead, Tom.
Thomas Fitzgerald:
Oh, I was going to switch to follow-up. So if you have more to go there, Robert, I’m happy to pause.
Robert Isom:
No, go ahead.
Thomas Fitzgerald:
Okay. I’m just pretty curious on the network side, how you guys are thinking about the hub structure and whether you need to maybe pull back in any of the coastal gateway markets, and how you’re thinking about the fortress hub, the CLT or DFW. There’s talk about, your neighbor in Dallas expanding more in DFW. I’m just curious how you’re thinking about your network strategy overall. Thank you.
Robert Isom:
We’re very pleased with our positions both in DFW and Charlotte. You’ll see that the majority of our growth this past year has been in those hubs. We really look forward to reestablishing as we’re bringing our regional network fully back up to speed. We’re very much looking forward to filling out our presence in both Philadelphia and Chicago as well. I like what I see in DCA, Reagan National, and how that is coming back. And again, while there’s been pressure in short haul Latin, Miami and Phoenix have all done fairly well for us as well. So in regard to our system, we’re making sure that we’re flying where we can produce the greatest level of profitability. And one of the things that I’ll just underscore again is that, business traffic is something that, travels throughout the country, throughout the world. We’re poised with our network to serve. I think, almost 90% of the places that you might want to go in the world. We’ve got a network that is going to appeal and right now we’ve got to go back and win back our business share. So Tom, thanks for the question, but what I wanted to say though was I just want to take a quick moment to recognize your predecessor Helane Becker for her accomplished career and valuable work and contributions to our industry over the past 40 years and I’m pleased to say that I’ve know Helane a lot of those 40 years. So from all of us at American, Helane, we miss working with you. We wish you the very best in your new advisory role and Tom, best of luck to you as well. Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth of EverCore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey thanks. Just on the mismatch of domestic supply demand, if we could track back to earlier this year, maybe to investor day, what was the thinking on 9% domestic growth in 2Q? It feels like at any point that would have been really out of sync with the GDP, even stable GDP, and trying to better understand what the company was solving for. Was it chasm goals or share goals and with the change in leadership, do you now have an opportunity to put more of a weighting on what the economy may actually be doing from a network planning perspective?
Robert Isom:
Duane, thanks. I’ll start and Devon certainly can fill any blanks. Look, we anticipated obviously a more a stronger, more robust demand environment. Plain and simple. There was tremendous growth in 2023 and as we entered into 2024 we simply anticipated that demand would perform and allow pricing to perform a lot better than it did. As we’ve taken a look from that time, we certainly understand that we’re in a marketplace that couldn’t absorb all that capacity and so as we’ve said, we’re making those immediate adjustments, but you’ll see us be very, very conscious as we go forward. But I’m going to underscore again, the biggest issue that we’ve had in terms of disappointment was our misstep in our sales and distribution strategy. That would have accounted for a considerable amount of additional revenue and it’s something that we’re going to make sure that we gain back.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay, I mean, maybe just to come at it from a different perspective, the margins are what they are over the last 12 months. As you analyze your own network, even with this distribution change, do you have similar margins hiding somewhere in your network? Are there portions of your network where you say, we’re at least as profitable, maybe more profitable in portions of our network and if so, why isn’t the answer to cut more on profitable capacity?
Devon May:
Hey, Duane, it’s Devon. I just, maybe we’ll start by following up on your first question as well. The first half capacity was at least in part the rebuild still of our 2019 capacity. We’d added less capacity back than anyone else. We had some hubs that were still far below their historical capacity levels. That slowed in the second half as we got to product capacity. On your second question around unprofitable components of the network, this is something that we’re always looking is to move capacity into our most profitable parts of the network and to improve on areas of the network that are softer. But we have a fantastic hub network. There’s always going to be best performers and performers at the other end. We think all of our hubs can be solidly profitable and while there are some laggards today, we have a revenue team that has a strategy to improve on it.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Didora of Bank of America.
Andrew Didora:
Hi, good morning everyone. I guess just touching on demand, given what transpired with the promo environment over the last few months, have your thoughts around the demand backdrop changed at all? Are you seeing any areas of demand softness or are there any geographies where maybe the promotional environment did not stimulate demand the way that you would have thought?
Robert Isom:
So I’ll start, Andrew. So look, from a regional perspective, a lot of the capacity that has come in to the industry has been in a lot of the capacity that has come in to the industry has been in places that we’ve been traditionally strong. But I also expect that as we take a look going forward that the adjustments to capacity will likewise be in places that potentially benefit us as well. But we’ve seen significant pressure in parts of our network that have been profitable and continue to be quite profitable, but just less so. So things like our short haul international MCLA. We’ve seen some pressure in other places. A lot of it again, due to the fact that we’ve missed out on a pool of premium revenue and in business traffic that we’re going to win back. Does I take a look overall? I don’t see a lot of variability in terms of impact throughout our system other than what I’ve noted.
Andrew Didora:
Okay, thank you for that. And then Devon just a housekeeping question, can you remind us is the new flood attendance deal in your guide and have you been occurring for that over the first half of 2024?
Devon May:
There has not been an accrual for it through the first half of 2024. It is in the guide starting in September when we assume ratification. And then it’s in our fourth quarter outlook as well.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question. Comes from the line of Sheila Kahyaoglu of Jefferies.
Unidentified Analyst:
Hi, this is Kyle Chloe [ph] on for Sheila. I wanted to ask the cash picture question a little differently as free cash was down, $1.5 billion on the year. And if we look in the 2025 the guide was greater than $2 billion, which is presumably handicapped and was on a like for like basis, the amount of debt that was supposed to come out next year. So just wondering how you bridge that given you reiterated the sub $35 billion in the out years here.
Devon May:
Sorry, a little bit of trouble hearing the question. But or on cash and cash outlook for 2025. Yes, we had been projecting greater than $2 billion of free cash flow in 2025. We’re not updating our 2025 outlook right now. Obviously, we expect to perform better on top line, but we’ll give guidance as we get into next year. As it relates to our total debt reduction expectations, we were tracking ahead of our $15 billion plan before. We have a lot of liquidity. We have the ability to go ahead and raise additional debt if we need to. But right now, the expectation in 2025 is that we will produce free cash flow. We will meet our $15 billion debt reduction target, and we’ll have solid liquidity as we get through the year.
Unidentified Analyst:
Okay. And then just my follow-up is on the commercial strategy, given your large Texas peer today announced some changes around what will be more premium like seeding. So maybe just initial impressions as it relates to the commercial strategy and the share changes that you guys are hoping to see. Thank you.
Robert Isom:
Well, I’ll just start with, look, premium business is important to us. And as I mentioned, it’s one of the bright spots that we’ve seen year-over-year, and we anticipate that, that strength is going to continue. It’s going to continue, we’re going to invest in it. We’re going to invest in it with real product, real hard product. And it’s not something that we have to talk about. It’s something that we have and we’ll continue to grow in our fleet. So not only do we have the most premium seats of any carrier in the marketplace today, but we anticipate growing those by 20% as we go out into 2026. Headlining that is new 321XLRs that will come in 2025. That will be a great product for things like short-haul Europe as well as augmenting our transcontinental fleet operations. We’re going to be redoing our 777-300s that will add premium seating, new flagship suites and then add to that deliveries of 787-9s as well with flagship suites. So overall, I feel really good about what we can do. And I’ll just say as well, look, we’ve been operating a premium network, a worldwide network for decades, all the way back to our early days. We feel really confident about our ability to operate against any type of competition. And I really like where our fleet, our product and our ability to service that stands right now.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Trent of Citi.
Stephen Trent:
Good morning everybody and thanks very much for taking the question. First, if I may, I know sort of a follow-up to Jamie’s earlier question, I can appreciate that you guys sort of hit the reset button on your co-branded card agreement. And from a high level, when we think about the time line and when you can finalize the agreement to use a baseball analogy, are we in kind of the second inning or the fifth inning, just would love your color on that, if I may, please. Thanks.
Devon May:
Steve?
Stephen Johnson:
Sure. Thanks for the question. We’ve been in discussions with our partners about our next co-brand arrangement for a while now. Maybe the fifth inning is probably a pretty good analogy. But long enough to know that we and they are really enthusiastic about what we can do next. And so we’re really excited about getting to the eighth and ninth inning and getting it wrapped up.
Stephen Trent:
Okay. I appreciate that. And also just kind of a follow-up. We had, of course, Friday, the global network outage and what have you, where you guys didn’t seem to be much impacted at all. And I’m curious if you might be able to give a little color on what you guys are doing technologically that perhaps led you to avoid the issue or is it something for to it is you just have a different supplier or would just love to understand.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Stephen. Yes, I’ll hand it off to our Chief Operating Officer, David Seymour. But I’ll just say this, we’re super proud of our ability to really react to any type of disruption. This was notable, and I think it just shows how strong we are in terms of our operating prowess. David?
David Seymour:
Yes. No, thanks for the question. And like Robert talked about, really proud of what the team did. But just like other airlines and businesses worldwide that were impacted by crowd strike. Many of our operating systems did were taken off-line. But within an hour of that outage, we assembled the right operating teams and IT experts to develop and execute a plan to get our systems back online and the aircraft moving again. And that allowed us to return to normal operations by the end of Friday. Our key differentiators really become the hallmark of our operation, and that is swift recovery from any significant disruption that the airline feels. So Robert talked about, we see a lot of weather. And you see this focus on that and lead the industry in recovery for the last several years, and we’re going to continue to do that.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Alison Sider of Wall Street Journal.
Alison Sider:
Hi, thanks so much. On the sales strategy, selling distribution, I’m curious if you can share anything about what you were hearing from partner airlines at British Airways, other OneWorld airlines kind of during all this. Were you getting negative feedback from them? And kind of how are those conversations now?
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Ali. Look, our partners, look, we go to market with them. And so the feedback that we’re hearing from them is similar to what we’re hearing from our customers, which is -- they want us back and available in every place that we can be sold. They want to participate in a richer mix of business. They want to certainly be attentive to the way our product is sold in the U.S. And so from that perspective, they are encouraging us, number one, to get content back out. Second, to make sure that we have agreements in place that facilitate the sale of our product through travel management companies and agencies and that they want to have great relationships with corporates. They’re incredibly supportive. We’re in it together. And in the case of BA, we have decades-long business with them as a joint business across the Atlantic. And I know that they are incredibly interested in us getting back on track.
Alison Sider:
And on the crowd strike -- I know you just -- David, you just touched on some of it and have written about it, but like, like what was it that kind of allowed you to move so quickly when other airlines seem to not be able to? I mean did you have system more redundancies or systems that we’re able to keep operating during the outage or kind of backup plans in place or systems that aren’t exposed to windows? Yes. Just curious what you think the differentiator was.
Robert Isom:
So Ali, I’ll take this. I’ll save David from pat himself on the back. Look, David has assembled an incredible team. And I feel like we have more experience from an operations perspective overall than just about anyone in the business. And what we have to go through just in terms of weather across our network, it gives us great experience in terms of disruptions. And one of the things that we’ve learned is that in terms of any disruption, you better keep track of your aircraft certainly, but also your crews wherever they are and you probably ought to take action as quickly as possible to make sure that you don’t lose visibility for the purpose of recovery. We’ve built technology, and we’ve done the right things to ensure that we take early precautions, early steps, and that ultimately results in a better outcome. All that said, I do think we’re also benefited by making sure that we have devices and means of communicating with our team members out in the field. That certainly facilitates but it starts with having people that really know the business and the steps to take. All that said, I just -- I mentioned technology today. It’s something that we’re going to have to continue to make sure that we build resilience around and ensure against a patch being put in place that can knock out so much of the world’s communications.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes on the line of Mary Schlangenstein of Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Hey good morning. I wanted to follow up just a little bit on Ali’s first question. When you said that the feedback you got from your OneWorld and other partner airlines was similar to what you’re hearing from corporate customers. Did you also hear from them from some frustration and just pleasure at the results of your change in corporate strategy?
Robert Isom:
We’re in communication with our partners constantly. And what they are interested in seeing us do is to take quick action when we see any type of issues. We’ve been alongside them as I’ve said, we identified a deviation in terms of our revenue performance versus some of our large network peers in the first quarter. We thought that was going to reverse itself. It didn’t. We identified that we needed to make a change, we were really quick and we’ve kept our partners in touch all along, and they know our plans and certainly are supportive.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay. And on the $1.5 billion impact that you see for the year, is that an impact to income to revenue? And do you expect it to stretch out into 2025 as well?
Robert Isom:
It’s revenue-based. And so -- but it’s rich revenue. So absolutely positively has a big impact on contribution. As I said, we’re taking steps immediately to reverse some of the reaction in terms of getting content at. We’ll see the benefits of new agreements with travel management companies and agencies in the coming months. Work with corporations may take a little bit longer, but we’re addressing that as quickly as we can. And so as I take a look at, we’re going to try to get in a good spot to kick off 2025 but we’ll have work to do. But all that said, I am confident that over time, we’ll recapture our share.
Operator:
This concludes the Q&A portion of the call. I would now like to turn the conference back to Robert Isom for closing remarks. Sir?
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Latif. I appreciate everybody’s time. We take the situation in terms of revenue production very seriously. As I said before, we’ve taken immediate action to address the supply and demand imbalance as we look into the back half of the year, and we will be very focused on it as we do our planning for 2025. In regard to our sales and distribution strategy, we’re taking the steps to get back on track. We’re doing that very quickly. We’ve talked a lot about that. And I’m confident that as we look into the future and Americans plants, our network, our fleet, our product, that plus regaining our share is going to put us back on track and that track is to improve margins. That track is to produce free cash flow and ultimately, strengthening our balance sheet and our position in the industry. We’re committed to that. We’re going to get back to work on it right away. Thanks.
Operator:
This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Thank you for standing by, and welcome to American Airlines Group's First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the call over to Scott Long, VP of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Please go ahead.
Scott Long:
Thank you, Latif. Good morning, and welcome to American Airlines Group First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. On the call with prepared remarks, we have our CEO, Robert Isom; and our CFO, Devon May. A number of our other senior executives are also in the room this morning for the Q&A session. Robert will start the call with an overview of our performance, and Devon will follow with the details on the first quarter, in addition to outlining our operating plans and outlook going forward.
After our prepared remarks, we'll open the call for analyst questions, followed by questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. And before we begin today, we must state that today's call contains forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecast of capacity and fleet plans. These statements represent our predictions and expectations of future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release that was issued this morning as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2024. In addition, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release which can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information we're giving you on the call this morning is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thank you for your interest and for joining us this morning. And with that, I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Robert Isom.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. The American Airlines team continues to build a more reliable, efficient and resilient airline. I'd like to thank our team for running a fantastic operation. We're driving revenue through our commercial initiatives, efficiently managing costs and producing free cash flow to further strengthen our balance sheet.
Let's talk about our financial results for the first quarter. This morning, we reported an adjusted net loss of $226 million for the quarter or an adjusted loss of $0.34 per diluted share. This outcome was within our originally guided range despite a significant increase in fuel expense in the quarter, which was approximately $100 million higher than the midpoint of our initial guidance. We remain on track to deliver our full year EPS guidance, and we continue to expect to produce approximately $2 billion of free cash flow this year. We produced record first quarter revenues of $12.6 billion. Business travel has continued to recover with particular strength in small and medium-sized businesses. Additionally, we have seen sequential improvement in the recovery of managed corporate travel and domestic business revenue growth outpaced capacity growth in the first quarter. Additionally, our focus on delivering premium content that our customers desire is paying off. In the first quarter, upsell, loyalty and partnership revenue what we define as premium content made up 61% of our revenue and increased 17% year-over-year. As we have outlined in the past, our revenue growth is increasingly fueled by Advantage customers who continued to acquire our co-branded credit cards at historically high levels. Advantage customers account for 72% of our premium content revenue. And in the first quarter, our premium cabin saw a 10% increase in revenue versus 2023. We expect these trends to continue, which is why we're investing in our product and premium customer experience. And just last week, we announced several new premium onboard enhancements and customers will have an increasingly elevated experience with the introduction of our new state-of-the-art flagship suite seats on our long-haul aircraft including our retrofitted Boeing 777-300s and future Airbus 321XLR and Boeing 787-9 deliveries. Our Fleet Network and Travel Rewards program will continue to enable significant upside moving forward, and our limited near-term capital requirements position us to continue to generate meaningful free cash flow this year and in the years to come. We continue to make progress on our commercial initiatives, and we are always looking to improve our performance and drive additional revenue. We see meaningful opportunities to improve upon our results much of which will be captured as we progress through the year. First, we continue to believe in the value that our distribution strategy provides to our customers and to American. Engaging directly with our customers through modern Internet-based technology is where the industry is headed, and we're leading the way. That being said, there are near-term actions we can take to optimize our efforts in advance of hitting a steady state on this long-term strategic initiative, and those are underway. Second, our network was uniquely impacted by increased industry capacity in the first quarter, but we see that moderating in the quarters ahead. This will be a tailwind for us going forward. Third, increasing the utilization of our fleet is a priority, but we can improve the deployment of our own capacity to better match supply and demand throughout the year. And finally, our team is laser-focused on executing well on these and all of our commercial initiatives day in and day out. Turning now to the operation. American continues to produce industry-leading operational results. We're running the best operation in our history because of our steadfast commitment to operational excellence and strong collaboration across the entire airline. We continue to minimize our cancellations, resulting in our best-ever first-quarter completion factor. We delivered these results despite air traffic control challenges during the quarter and significant weather events across our network. Our strong completion factor performance enabled American to achieve 8 combined mainline and regional zero-cancellation days in the first quarter and improved our mishandled baggage rate by 10% year-over-year. Our outstanding recovery efforts have become the hallmark of our operation as we minimize cancellations and shorten the recovery time for our airline end customers. As our attention shifts to the summer operations, we're focused on safety, reliability and continuing to provide a great experience for our customers. We continue to find ways to improve the travel experience for our customers, especially ahead of the busy summer travel period. Through investments in technology, we have made significant progress in our digital servicing capabilities. American is now able to sell and digitally service approximately 95% of transactions, which greatly simplifies and enhances the experience of our customers and team members. We're also seeing tangible benefits from our reengineering efforts. We are using our assets more productively across the airline and our total aircraft utilization improved approximately 4% year-over-year in the first quarter, primarily driven by improvements in our regional supportability. And now I'll turn it over to Devon to share more about our first quarter financial results and second quarter outlook.
Devon May:
Thanks, Robert. I want to commend the American Airlines team for its focus and execution and for leading us on the path to achieving our long-term goals. We delivered a fantastic operation for our customers in the first quarter. Despite a significant run-up in fuel in the quarter, we were able to produce results within our guided range for each of our operating metrics, and we remain on track to deliver on our full year guidance. Excluding net special items, we reported a first quarter net loss of $226 million or an adjusted loss per diluted share of $0.34.
We produced record first quarter revenue of $12.6 billion, up 3.1% year-over-year. Our adjusted EBITDAR margin was 7.6%, and we produced an adjusted operating margin of 0.6%. Our strong operational performance in the first quarter resulted in capacity that was up 8.5% year-over-year at the high end of our guidance range. Total revenue was approximately 0.5% higher than the midpoint of our January forecast. Unit revenue was down 4.9% year-over-year, slightly lower than the midpoint of our guidance on 1% higher ASMs. Our strong operational performance in the quarter also resulted in unit cost, excluding net special items and fuel on the low end of our guidance range, up 2.3% year-over-year. As a reminder, the first quarter of 2023 did not include the cost impact of our new pilot agreement, which resulted in a year-over-year headwind. Normalizing for this, our first quarter CASM ex would have been approximately flat year-over-year. We have some modest updates to our fleet and CapEx guidance versus our March Investor Day update. For the year, we now expect to take delivery of 22 new mainline aircraft, down from our prior estimate of 29 aircraft. Our new aircraft deliveries include 16 737 MAX 8, 3 787-9s and 3 A321neos. We also plan to take delivery of 12 new Embraer E-175 aircraft. We continue to expect to grow full year capacity in line with our guidance above mid-single digits year-over-year. While Boeing delivery delays have impacted mainline capacity production, they have been largely offset by improvements in our regional aircraft utilization. Aircraft delivery delays are impacting the entire industry, but they are not having the same impact on American as other carriers since we are not as dependent on new aircraft deliveries as most of our peers. We have modest aircraft CapEx requirements this decade due to our previous refleeting efforts. We now expect our 2024 aircraft CapEx to be approximately $2.2 billion, and our total CapEx to be approximately $3.1 billion. We continue to expect aircraft CapEx to be approximately $3 billion to $3.5 billion per year from 2025 through 2030. In the first quarter, we generated operating cash flows of $2.2 billion, and we produced free cash flow of $1.4 billion. Our relatively low capital requirements and free cash flow production have allowed us to make significant progress toward strengthening the balance sheet. We reduced total debt by nearly $950 million in the first quarter and we have now reduced total debt by $12.3 billion from peak levels in 2021. Net debt is now at $33.4 billion, nearly $2 billion lower than pre-pandemic levels. We continue to expect to be more than 85% of the way to our $15 billion total debt reduction goal by the end of this year. Now on to the outlook for the second quarter. Our focus continues to be on delivering industry-leading reliability, maximizing revenue and profitability and reengineer business which not only drives savings and greater productivity but also delivers a better experience for our customers and team members. Our work to reengineer the business is progressing well, and we remain on track to deliver approximately $400 million in cost savings in 2024. Additionally, we continue to find opportunities to improve working capital. By the end of this year, we expect to have achieved approximately $200 million in incremental working capital improvements in addition to the $100 million we achieved in 2023. At the Investor Day, we highlighted our goal to increase the production rate at our engine overhaul facility in Tulsa. And the team has done an incredible job accelerating that initiative this year. While this results in additional expense being pulled forward into 2024, the longer-term benefit of this project is materially NPV positive. Our engine overhaul facility in Tulsa is a strategic asset and another competitive advantage for American in a constrained aircraft maintenance market. We plan to grow capacity at 7% to 9% year-over-year in the second quarter, primarily through improvements in aircraft utilization. Our capacity growth will slow considerably in the back half of the year, and we continue to expect to produce mid-single-digit capacity growth for the full year. We expect second quarter TRASM to be down 1% to 3% versus 2023 with unit revenues inflecting positive year-over-year in the third quarter. We will continue to deliver strong unit cost performance in the second quarter with CASM ex expected to be up approximately 1% to 3% year-over-year. We still expect full year CASM-ex to be up approximately 0.5% to 3.5% despite a change in mix of flying with less mainline capacity and greater regional capacity production. Our current forecast for the second quarter assumes a fuel price of between $2.75 and $2.95 per gallon. Based on our current demand assumptions and fuel price forecast, we expect to produce an adjusted operating margin of between 9.5% and 11.5% in the second quarter, and adjusted earnings per diluted share of between $1.15 and $1.45. The American Airlines team is focused on delivering results to unlock value in 2024 and beyond. We remain on track to deliver full year adjusted earnings per diluted share of between $2.25 and $3.25, and we continue to anticipate producing approximately $2 billion of free cash flow in 2024. I'll now turn it back to Robert for closing remarks.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Devon. As we outlined at our Investor Day last month, American has a changed airline with a strong foundation, and we're well positioned to create value. We have a young and simplified fleet that continues to be a differentiating factor for American. We're operating with excellence. We have built a strong network with fantastic partnerships around the globe and we're engaging with customers through our industry-leading travel rewards program, demonstrating that life is better as an Advantage member.
We're managing our unit costs better than our network peers, and we're focused on reengineering our business improving asset utilization and enhancing productivity across the airline. These unique advantages have us well positioned to achieve our stated objectives this year and in the years ahead. All of this will result in margin expansion and growing free cash flow generation, creating value for our shareholders. We're committed to delivering on what we said we would achieve, and we will provide updates on our progress along the way. We have significant opportunities ahead of us, and we intend to take full advantage of those opportunities by leaning into our strengths and continuing to execute. As we move through the year, we will continue to leverage our fleet, network and rewards program and build on our strong operational momentum. And with that, I'll turn it back to the operator to open up the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of David Vernon of Bernstein.
David Vernon:
So maybe to you or Robert, when you look at the 2Q RASM guide, it's a little bit better, I think, than people were expecting but it's not quite sort of flat and level with peers. There's also a pretty big sequential ramp from sort of 1Q into 2Q when you look at the TRASM number. Can you guys kind of help us understand kind of what's embedded underneath that? What's driving the big sequential acceleration on top of capacity growth? And maybe why that unit revenue metric is not performing at the same rate as peers?
Vasu Raja:
Absolutely. Absolutely. It's an excellent question, one I suspect it's on many people's minds. Look, and actually, the tail of our year, the quarterly progression of TRASM really starts in the first quarter. And as we saw in the first quarter, there are 3 things that impacted us in the first quarter, which changed materially as the year progresses. The first is in first quarter, competitive capacity grew the most in our markets and strength in the domestic and short-haul network.
Two, in our first quarter, we flew too much. When you look at what we did, about 60% of our growth ASMs were in off-peak times a day or days of week, which is about 10 to 15 points higher than our next competitor. And the third thing, and related to Robert's marks at the top of this is Q1 marks the end of really a year of transition of our distribution strategies in which we were really focused on actually creating the right long-term customer proposition, reducing a lot of the unnecessary expenses that went along with it. All 3 of those conditions start to change as we go forward, which is not just us guessing, you actually start to see it. On Q1, refer to my first point, we see industry capacity starting to change as we go into the summer and certainly into the fall. That reduction is coming most heavily in the narrow-body system, which uniquely favors us. Two, as we go in the third quarter, you've already seen this in our published schedules, and you'll see more of it in the days ahead. We are also taking a much more careful look at our off-peak or off-time channel flying, so we'll produce less flying in the trough too, which also pretty benefit to TRASM. And now having gone through a year of transition with our distribution strategy, we get to do optimization. And we see a lot of ways to be able to do that, which is great for our customers. Frankly, can really bring in a lot of our travel agency and corporate partners. But very critically, can drive revenue and profit for the airline. And so you see that in our sequential build as we go quarter-to-quarter through the year.
David Vernon:
And then maybe just as a follow-up, when you think about sort of the exit rate of 1Q and what we're seeing kind of in April, is that kind of consistent with that ramp building from a sequential perspective in TRASM? I mean, I'm sure you guys have carefully gone through the guidance and stuff like that. It just looks like a really big sort of 1Q to 2Q pop.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. And look, it's probably best to give a sense for our 2Q by entity. As we go look into 2Q, what we see is in the Transpacific network, we anticipate RASM to be flat to slightly up and Transatlantic mid-single digits up, in Latin America double digits down. And domestic, we expect to be flat to slightly down but very importantly, as we were -- in our peaks in 1Q, we were actually inflecting positive in domestic. April has a lot of industry capacity comes back, we turn a little negative.
But as we end the Q1 period, we expect to see and are already starting to see more favorable revenue outlook in domestic. So when you look at it in that way, in our 2Q, we anticipate that the long-haul system at large will be positive on a RASM basis the domestic and short-haul system down with a steadily improving trend, both in domestic and short-haul international every single month in the second quarter.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Conor Cunningham of Melius Research.
Conor Cunningham:
Maybe we can talk a little bit about the regional build back. I'm just trying to understand maybe to David's earlier point, just the mix dynamic that you're seeing as you bring back regional aircraft, I would think it's positive for unit revenue, but potentially negative for unit cost. But I don't know if it's playing out like that. If you could just kind of talk about the regional build back and how that's contributing to your margin trajectory.
Devon May:
Conor, it's Devon. Yes, regional is doing both of those things, and it is what gives us confidence in unit revenue inflecting positive in the third and fourth quarter. But just to give you some numbers around it, in the first quarter we operated the equivalent of around 465 fully utilized regional jets. We expect that number to grow by 20 to 25 regional jets each quarter as we move throughout the year. So by the time we get to the fourth quarter, we expect to have around 535 fully utilized regional jets and it's going to do the things that you just talked about.
It is going to be helpful to unit revenue. These are higher unit revenue-producing assets. It does drive a bit of a headwind on unit costs but we do still expect our unit cost to stay within our guidance for the year. But we are seeing really nice trends there, and we're excited to see that supportability improve.
Robert Isom:
Yes. And Devon, I'll just add that as we see these aircraft come back and have a chance to put them in the schedule and actually plan for them fully. It has -- it will show benefit. So Vasu, do you want to talk a little bit about how we intend to deploy those aircraft?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, absolutely. Because this is related to my earlier answer, as we go and get more regional supportability as the year progresses, you can already see it in our published summary and early 3Q schedules, we're driving a lot more connectivity into all of our hubs. Dallas and Charlotte, our 2 largest hubs will not just have some of their large capacity base as ever.
The same thing will be true in Phoenix and Miami and all the core parts of our airline, which perform well in the summer and drive the most in profitability. And so really, this ties back to my earlier answer as we are now in a place where we can go and optimize so much of the -- so many of the things that are unique to us. We will see an increasing amount of really P&L benefit as the year progresses.
Conor Cunningham:
Awesome. And maybe to stick with that comment. Just on DFW and Charlotte, like you said, it seems like you're entrenching or doubling down whatever the term that you want to use there, you're adding a lot more service there. I would have already thought that your market share was really high. So as you bring on that new service, I'm just trying to understand the dynamics of how those 2 hubs play out and if there's still incremental upside as you allocate more resources there.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Sure. And there certainly is incremental upside because every time we go grow in DFW or Charlotte, we grow at a relatively low marginal cost. We're not adding gates. We're not doing anything else to go drive the expense of the airport and they're already low-cost airport platforms for us. So the more we go and do that, it doesn't really drive a lot of incremental cost.
But very importantly, every connection that we go stick into DFW or Charlotte comes in a really high marginal RASM versus the system. And so we're very encouraged by as we bring back the RJs, as we upgauge in those hubs, really what we go and do is not to drive more market share in DFW or Charlotte, but we create a lot more connectivity for customers all across the U.S. And just like I mentioned at Investor Day, in a ton of markets where customer demand is growing, wealth is growing, but frankly, their options are limited and American Airlines gives them really great choices and they want to pay for it.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Sheila Kahyaoglu of Jefferies.
Sheila Kahyaoglu:
Vasu, I'm sure you're going to get your share of Latin American comments here. So I just wanted to dig a little bit deeper into that Q1 PRASM performance was 1 or 2 points better than some of your network peers. There is obviously concern about that, you talked about Q2. Last quarter, you talked about Miami being as profitable as it's ever been. So if you could just walk us through short and long-haul dynamics in Latin America near term and how much of a driver the region is an inflecting RASMs in Q3 and Q4?
Vasu Raja:
Sure. And let me start by saying this, the short-haul international network, as we call it, Mexico, Caribbean and Latin America or short-haul MCLA for short, is actually a really key part of our system, and it is a place where we are competitively advantaged, not because of any one hub like Miami, but the combination of all of our hubs and our fleet structure means that we can go serve a lot of markets at a very low cost base and drive a lot of revenue for our customers over it.
So it's a big chunk of our flying. It can be 1/3 of our flying, which is much larger than what our competitors are. In Q1, the industry grew a lot into the market, too, which impacts us on a RASM basis. But RASM doesn't necessarily turn into profitability. And as we look at that, it's a market where seasonally, other people will go and put more capacity in it. But if you do look at the grand scheme of things, we've always been big, we've always grown, and it's going to be a really key part to what we do. And you're right, it was implicit in your question that the short-haul network is faring differently than the long-haul network. We see a short-haul network, which has double-digit negative RASM but is not, by any means, unprofitable for us yet. There are some other things that we'll go do and we've already loaded some things where we're actually endeavoring to grow it. But our long-haul network is positive as we go into Q1. We anticipate a lot of improvement to both short haul and long haul as the year goes along to.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker of JPMorgan Securities. Jamie.
Jamie Baker:
First question on Chicago. So just looking at domestic seats, Vasu, the scheduled growth rate in the second and third quarter is well over twice that of the system. I totally understand growth in places like Dallas and Charlotte, you just addressed Charlotte. But Chicago is obviously a more competitive market. I guess I'm just trying to square this growth against your demand confidence in the second quarter. It seems like a lot of growth for the market to accommodate.
Vasu Raja:
Well, actually, Jamie, it's an excellent question. I'm happy that you saw it because that is actually part of it. And Chicago, as we see it more and more actually plays a really complementary role with DFW and Charlotte because we can go drive a lot more connectivity on it. To my earlier point about the RJs, as those RJs are coming back, what we get to go do in Chicago that we haven't been able to do in a long time, is put connectivity into Chicago from places like the Upper Midwest that are either unique to Chicago or can serve more efficiently over Chicago.
But it creates more pathways for customers across the upper Midwest to go and access more parts of the world. And we find that to be actually really high marginal RASM, marginal profit flying to be able to go and do, but it's uniquely made available through the increasing supportability of our regional fleet.
Jamie Baker:
Okay. That's helpful. And then second, Vasu, as you approach the date at which certain agency bookings will no longer accrue advantaged credit, I guess 2 questions. First, what percentage of revenue currently comes through those affected channels that you're going to cut off -- or not cut off, modify? And second, what are your sort of underlying assumptions as to how that plays out?
So do you assume that your change will drive passengers one-on-one from an OTA to american.com, or do you model for some type of net loss in total bookings? Does ancillary upsell offset that? Just wondering what you're modeling in terms of the consumer behavior.
Vasu Raja:
Absolutely, Jamie. I'm extremely happy that you asked that question. To give you the best answer is it worth it to understand where we've been to understand where we're going and how -- as we call it the preferred agency program fits into it. So if you look at it for a long time, we endeavor to go and do things like maximize share -- agency share or corporate share, but that isn't necessarily optimizing revenue per se.
And we were in a world and certainly as we came out of the pandemic, where a lot of the agency are corporate-related bookings that we were doing, we're coming at relatively low revenue values but sitting in the premium cabin. And so a lot of what our strategy is to reframe around how do we go and create more value for the end customer who's choosing travel. And how do we go do it in a really economical way? And what we planned over and over again is they want a great product, they want it delivered well, they want to be rewarded, and they want to be able to shop and service digitally and be able to compare products. So a lot of our transition has been undoing so many things that we've done, which we're not really creating value for the customer nor creating profit for American Airlines. And we've done that over the course of the last year. We've reduced a lot of it. And interestingly, as you see it today, if -- maybe there were more junior and maybe [indiscernible] version of all of us, Jamie, we would have thought when we embarked on this thing that it would come at a real risk to business revenues. But if you just look at what we've reported today, our business revenues are growing at a greater rate than capacity. Unmanaged is on the higher end of that contract in corporates which would presumably be the most affected are just slightly on the lower end of that. But we're doing it at 7% less in distribution expense. 60% of customers are Advantage customers, and they produce 2/3 of our revenue. So what we've seen happen is a lot of those customers are actually leading the agency and coming to us directly on their own. And this is a really important thing because this is where we are, but where we go is a very different thing. And there's really 3 things that we're focused on as we go and optimize our distribution strategy. The first is exactly what you pointed out with preferred agencies. And we actually pushed the release rightly because we were all pleasantly surprised how many people are taking it. The vast majority of our agencies are currently in an NDC transition, roughly about, the agencies that constitute about 30% to 40% of our revenue are already doing more than 30% of their bookings through NDC and are on a path to be, in some cases, close to 100 by the end of the year. And there's even more agencies, a lot of big agencies who are signing on for it because they realize the customer utility and having a digital selling and servicing experience and frankly, they see there's an opportunity to go compete against other agencies, which is great for customers. So we've pushed our preferred agency program to bring more people into it because we see -- pleasantly see the amount of take rate. But we can do other things in the near term, which even as we speak we are doing. The second thing is we can do a lot to simply go and create more products on the shelves for contracted business customers that are there. And we see more ways to do it through the booking tools that are there right now, and we have the ability to go and offer a direct connect any corporate traveler that's there, including JPMorgan Chase, should they be interested. And the last thing that's very critical for us is what we have learned through this is we have a number of ways to go generate volume and the top on that list is being able to create more redemption for Advantage customers. But by no means do we have to go back into a world where we endeavor to raise expenses without creating value for the customer. Our expenses rise, it should turn into something where there's real incremental revenue. And so now I'll very directly state your question. So with our preferred agency program, we actually anticipate that the majority of our agencies will be in it by the time we roll it out.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Trent of Citi.
Stephen Trent:
I believe I heard in Bob's prepared remarks that 61% of revenue now comes from outside of Main Cabin. Could you give us a high-level view as to what this mix looked like 5 years ago?
Vasu Raja:
This is Vasu. I'm happy to, although 5 years' time in this business, as you know well, is like an eternity you go. And so really, probably the more factually relevant thing is what it is year-over-year. And so yes, 61% of our revenue is coming from premium content. It is the revenue driver of the airline. That revenue is up 17% year-over-year. It's close to a 10-point shift in mix from nonpremium content. And it's a little difficult to compare versus 5 years ago because you look at numbers, which can be sometimes stratospherically high. And that really relates to just a different time and place for where our customers were, where the industry was and frankly, where the technology today is. But this growth in premium content is something which is really encouraging to us because it certainly corroborates the point that customers value experiences and they're willing to spend on experiences, and we're pleased that we see that growth pretty much across channels and maybe if anything more so through our direct channels.
Robert Isom:
And Vasu, I would add that, that's a critical component of our distribution strategy as well. We absolutely positively must make sure that our customers, no matter where they interact with us, have the full access to the goods services, amenities that American can offer. That's the key for us going forward. So I like what we see in terms of trends, we're going to pursue more of it. And then from that perspective, from a technology basis, we now are at a point where 95% of all transactions that customers have with us can be digitally serviced. So this is a coordinated effort across everything that we're doing. And as Vasu said earlier as well, we'll make adjustments along the way. This is about win in the long run. But in the short run, we've got to make tactical adjustments and we're doing that.
Stephen Trent:
Super helpful. I was thinking broadly about the big transformation versus pre-pandemic, but that's great. Just one other quick one for me. When I think about the regional fleet and your relationship with Embraer, hypothetically is larger OEMs continue to stumble in terms of delivery. Would it be too wild to think under certain scenarios that you would consider the largest gauge Embraer aircraft for some mainline flying? Or it's just that -- that's just too wild an idea from the scope less perspective and what have you.
Robert Isom:
All right. Well, I like that question because it gives me a chance to give a shout out. We all hear in the supply chain of partners or vendors that have really not recovered through the pandemic very well. We all know those names. But I want to give a shout out to Embraer. They have delivered day in and day out to that the pandemic, no matter the concerns of their supply chain. The rest of the industry and our OEM is going to learn a lot from them.
So I'm proud to be the operator of the world's largest fleet of Embraer aircraft. And I'm also proud to have an order book that's larger than anybody else as well. So we are tied to Embraer. Now that aircraft that we use today, the E175 ideally suited to our regional network and it's also ideally suited for the constraints that we have in terms of the mix between our mainline and regional flying. So as we look forward, I feel really good about the fleet plan that we have, I don't know about new offerings. But for the time being, our narrow-body fleet and what we have projected our wide-body fleet, we're in pretty good shape on aircraft through the end of the decade.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Helane Becker of TD Cowen.
Helane Becker:
So I have 2 questions. One, is, can you discuss any progress or lack thereof on your flight attendant contract? And I think how would that change the comment Devon made about reducing costs and the focus on cost reduction? And then my other very unrelated question is, how has the GOL bankruptcy affected your Latin and South American operations, positively or negatively?
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Helane. I'll take the flight attendant question. We've had a philosophy at American where we are going to pay our teammates at the best in the industry. And we've been really successful in negotiating contracts with most recently with our pilots or dispatchers and most -- I guess, most, most recently was with our agents. And we're really pleased that they're paid at the top of the industry. That is the exact same philosophy that we have with our flight attendants. It's what we pursued throughout negotiations. That's been the basis of every offer that we've had on the table.
And of course, there have been movements in the industry and the top of the market, most notably by the recent pay increases that we've been made aware of at Delta and our flight attendants will benefit accordingly. And I really look forward to this being the basis for us getting to a deal. I'm very optimistic about that. And then in regard to how that would possibly impact our financials going forward, of course, we've identified that this will be something we'll do this year. Devon can give you more insight on how that flows through our forecast.
Devon May:
Helane, we've always planned for an increase for our flight attendants to pay them at the top of the industry. And with the new delta rates, we'll obviously go and seek to match those rates. So it's a little bit of an increase from where we were adding guidance, but even with that, we still expect to be inside of our full year CASM guidance.
And how it affects what you call our cost savings initiatives just these are initiatives where we are reengineering the business. So we are finding efficiencies throughout our business by utilizing technology better, through improved asset utilization and also through driving real procurement savings. So we've always expected these types of increases for our team members, but it doesn't interrupt anything we're trying to do to reengineer the business.
Robert Isom:
We don't have the deal done yet, but we're going to get back to the table. So Vasu, you want to talk about GOL?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. And to GOL, the simple answer to your question, Helane, is it doesn't. We are the best in Latin America. We have the best network advantage. Greatest advantage is in domestic, it's even greater. In any country, in South America, we will always have the best network for our customers and the best rewards program there. And we're encouraged by it because we've been doing this for a long time down there. Changes in calamities come and go, the one constant is American Airlines.
Robert Isom:
And Helane, just to add to this, just, look, we've built a great relationship with GOL. And my hope is they're able to restructure in a fashion that benefits them and I know that they really appreciate the revenue we put on their aircraft as well. So my guess is that GOL will be something that is involved with American as we look forward to.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI. Your question please, Duane.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Just a couple of quick ones and Vasu recognizing you've had quite a work out here this morning already. Sorry for going back to the well, but...
Vasu Raja:
It's not that I'm not used to...
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Just with respect to Sunbelt hubs and the concept that a lot of your geography was sort of reopened earlier had a faster unit revenue recovery. And to the extent that you have a window into kind of coastal markets, urban markets that are maybe recovering more vigorously right now. I wonder if you could just comment on that.
Do you think American maybe has less exposure at the margin to coastal markets that are having a more vigorous RASM growth right now?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, we definitely have less exposure to coastal market. I mean you can see that in just the ASM mix, not just currently, but certainly over time. But the long-term trends are the long-term trends. The GDP of the country is growing, but it's driven by so many markets that uniquely are created by our hub network. Furthermore, spending is up, it's up even higher in those markets.
So we're in a place where industry capacity has been high in a lot of the domestic system. That starts to change. But very importantly, here at American we have a lot that we can go do. We're hungry to go do it. Now it's just a matter like Robert said, of executing. And we see it for our customers, and you clearly see in our forecast for the full year.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
And then just for my follow-up, any update on the NEA appeal?
Robert Isom:
Really no update. We're pursuing that, and we're confident that we'll be able to make our case and the facts will prevail. And for us, it's more about making sure that we just have the right precedent that's set out there. At some point in time, we may want to entertain something again. But right now, it's really just to make sure that we have our interests protected.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Stathoulopoulos of Susquehanna Financial Group. Your question please, Christopher.
Anthony Berni:
This is Anthony on for Chris. You've been very clear that your debt reduction goal of $15 billion from the peak is your top priority in the near term. Assuming you hit that by the end of next year as you plan, do we consider capital returns to the 2026 story? Or do you expect that reduction to remain a focus even beyond that $15 billion target?
Robert Isom:
Consistent with what we've been saying, we are focused on the debt reduction target. We're looking forward to talking about other opportunities beyond that point. But right now, we want to get through our $15 billion hit that number and then we will talk more about capital allocation as we get beyond 2025.
Anthony Berni:
Great. And then can you talk a little bit about what your macroeconomic assumptions you have for the second half are. You mentioned that you expect RASM to inflect positively in 3Q. Do you assume any acceleration or slowdown in the second half versus first half from like a macro perspective?
Vasu Raja:
No. We go off of sort of Fed-published GDP rates, and we see exactly the same demand backdrop that everyone else sees. A healthy U.S. economy, which is so key to us, strength coming from the Sun Belt and growing spending on experiences over other forms of merchandise or goods.
Robert Isom:
One of the things that we mentioned at our Investor Day, though, as well that against that backdrop of the projected financial growth of the country, we continue to see a lot of constraints that are going to continue to hit the industry. And so we built into our forecast, what we know so far and haven't gone really any farther than that. But when you take into account the issues with aircraft delivery delays, other supply chain issues, even air traffic control issues.
I really think it's going to be a challenge to produce a lot of capacity. And for that reason, I think that American is we distinguish ourselves. We have the vast majority of the capacity that the resources that we need to fly the capacity that we have out there. And while ours in the back half of the year actually moderates as well, I think we're going to be in better shape than the rest of our competitors.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open, Michael.
Michael Linenberg:
I guess I got 2 here. Robert, any sort of quick takeaways from this rule from the DOT on refunds? Any potential and intended consequences. And maybe is this a solution looking for a problem? Because I thought you were doing a lot already of what is spelled out in that role.
Robert Isom:
So Michael, I'll reiterate some comments I made earlier this morning and Nate Gatten, who heads up our government affairs is going to chime in here as well. I'll just start with this, yes, we have the same interest as the DOT, which is taking care of customers and making sure that they get full value for what they pay. That's the nature of our business. We've done incredibly well at executing on that front. We're the most reliable airline in terms of completion factor, certainly over the last couple of years now.
And so we feel really good about that. In terms of what we do when disruptions happen, we refunded, I think, over $2 billion worth of customers' ticket fares last year alone. And so we're on top of the policies and the scorecards that are already established. I'd tell you that from kind of top of mind, the issues that there are a lot of issues that I think are still gray. So if the intent of these rules is to really make sure airlines don't over-schedule and in the event of disruptions don't have meltdowns, which fortunately, I'm very confident in the way that we schedule an airline. We don't overschedule. We make sure that we have the resources. And fortunately, we haven't had the issues with major meltdowns certainly over the last couple of years. If that's the intent, fine, if the intent is something broader then we really need to be careful because there's a couple of things that I feel are important to note. One is that we have the safest -- we've built the safest form of transportation, air travel in the United States, based on just years of doing the right things and having the right motivations. When we talk about weather, and we talk about maintenance, those are synonymous to me with safety. And we have to make sure that the inputs to the system, the motivations, the penalties or rewards are consistent with the way we want our people motivated and operating. And I think that, that's something that we need to figure out. And then the other piece that I think is fairly gray is, look, there's a lot of parties that are involved with air transportation. We control a lot of it. We certainly don't control the weather, but we also depend on the FA for aircraft control, not just short run, in the long run as well. We have to make the right decisions for our customers. So in the event of diversions-related medical emergencies, we're going to have to be smart in what we do and always put the customer first. We have hurricanes and volcanic eruptions, and all other things. We have to be smart about how we deploy our network and how we recover. We don't want to end up in a situation where we end up not serving the customers in the way they want to be serviced just to avoid penalties. So Nate, you've done a lot more research on that. I have to tell you, too, I've just seen the surface level. So I just want to bring up those kinds of things that I've mentioned in the past. Go ahead.
Nathan Gatten:
Yes. Not too much to add to that, though, really, Robert. I mean I would just say our business model is built to support our customers when we don't deliver and from what we've seen over the role so far, it is largely consistent with the policies that we currently have in place for refunds and cancellations. We do just need to drill down and make sure we understand the role when it comes to those gray areas that you mentioned.
Michael Linenberg:
Great. And just a real quick second one here to Devon. Just the credit card deal renewal, is that a 2024 event? Or is that 2025? Just any color or timing around that?
Vasu Raja:
We are actively working on the recommercialization of our credit card programs. Like we've mentioned at Investor Day, we haven't done this in 10 years. We have a real opportunity to go and get it right. We anticipate sharing more news with everybody this year. It is a top and key project for us. And I will just say that unlike 10 years past or maybe like many of our competitors, we just bring a lot that makes us a really great partner for a credit card company.
First, to all of the points that Robert made earlier, we are growing advantage enrollment, it's plus 60% versus a few years ago. That is a massive and booming segment, it's 2/3 of our revenue. But very importantly, when you go and look underneath it, we look at 2 things in our card program. The first is the growth and active account. That is up close to 10% year-over-year. That means not only are we acquiring more, fewer people are trading away from the program. But while that's happening, our spend per active account is growing at 4%, that's higher than what it's grown before. In our program, it's higher than what other industry cards grow at. And so really, what that tells us is, we have a great and growing customer base. They very much value the card that's there. All the changes that have really been done have been done by American Airlines through the structure of our loyalty program Advantage. So we are very excited for what this can mean. We know that there's probably a number of partners out there who are comparably, if not even more excited about it. So we need to get it right because this thing is very impactful to our customers and of course very impactful to our bottom line.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Didora of Bank of America. Andrew.
Andrew Didora:
Most of my questions have been answered. But Robert, just kind of wanted to ask on capacity. I know you reiterated your full year growth, and you hinted earlier that back half bends down a little bit. But you also talked about the RJ building throughout the end of the year and 3Q schedules still look to be up in the high single digits, which is pretty similar to the first half.
So just curious on how you're thinking about kind of the capacity cadence as we move through the back half of the year to kind of hit your full year outlook?
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Andrew. I'm going to hand it off to Devon because we can be really clear on this. Go ahead.
Devon May:
Sure. In the first half of this year, we have been building back our capacity. We talked a lot about it last year that we were probably the last carrier to get back to our 2019 levels of capacity production. We came in ahead of our capacity guide due to the strong operation in the first quarter, so grew 8.5% in Q1. We're guiding to 8% in the second quarter. That's where we expect we'll end up with a strong operation. But capacity production does come down pretty materially as we look out in the third and fourth quarter.
Third quarter, we haven't finalized all the schedules yet, but we're expecting capacity production probably around the 4% growth range. Fourth quarter, maybe a little bit north of that. So back half of the year, call it in that 4% or 5% range or so and then full year, still in line with mid-single digits, but probably something north of 5% for the year.
Operator:
Thank you. At this time, the line is open to media questions. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Alison Slider of Wall Street Journal. Alison.
Unknown Attendee:
Yes, Robert, I'm curious if you ended up having a meeting with Boeing's Chairman or other directors and how it went and what kind of feedback you provided and what you're hearing about the prospects for Boeing turning itself around.
Robert Isom:
So Ali, I've gave this update earlier today as well. I've talked to everyone at Boeing that I can possibly address, and the message is the same, get your act together. And it starts with producing quality products one at a time off the assembly line, get back to the basics, quality and safety are just paramount. I can't tell you if they're making progress or not because it's all actions that matter, not words. And we're continuing to work with them.
We'll do everything we can to support Boeing. We need them to be successful in the long run. But as I've said before, as well, we're going to make sure that we're protected. So we've got an order for an aircraft that I absolutely love, which is the MAX 10, it will fit very well within our network that doesn't come until 2028. And hopefully, Boeing has their act together to produce that aircraft and deliver it. And if they can, great, if they can't, we're going to be protected on that front, too. So I come at this with a very sober mindset, which is show us, get it done, and we'll be there. We need Boeing to be successful, and they should just eliminate all distractions from the task at hand.
Unknown Attendee:
And do you see any indications from customers that there's like a nervousness about flying in general or Boeing, in particular, like any kind of book away from Boeing planes or just -- yes, any indication that some of these safety events we've seen across the industry are impacting customer behavior?
Robert Isom:
No, we see nothing. The aircraft that we fly in our fleet, we've had for, in some cases, decades. And that product maintained by American Airlines flown by American Airlines pilots. Those are quality products that we're proud to operate. So no. And as a matter of fact, we're excited about what we see in terms of customers of 787s and the deployment that we make, we just announced that we're going to be putting a new interior on the 789 deliveries and the Boeing aircraft that have been produced in the past the 73s, the 777-300s, the 777-200s.
Those have all been very quality products that our customers enjoy.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Mary Schlangenstein of Bloomberg.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Some of your competitors have reported that they saw a managed corporate travel volume increase in the first quarter of like 14%, 15%. I wanted to see if you can talk about the same type as a comparable number on that and what it may or may not say about your push for the direct bookings.
Vasu Raja:
Mary, this is Vasu. It's a great question, and I'm happy to answer it. So look, we've seen -- first of all, we see total business revenues, which is really a very important thing to look at grow similarly double-digit -- close or approaching double digits, exiting certainly Q1 double-digit rates of growth.
It's really being driven by unmanaged corporations that continue to come back and come back to American Airlines. Managed corporates, contract and corporations are growing a little bit less than that, but still high -- in the mid- to high single digits. Very importantly, this is actually the great opportunity that we see because really, over the last year, we've done a number of things to just transition away from a lot of practices which weren't great for our customers. It didn't give them cheaper fares. It didn't necessarily give them lower costs. It actually created a more difficult servicing experience. What we're finding now is that many of those customers, they want the same thing that everyone else has. We can go deliver it a whole lot better with all the tools and the technology and the change we've pushed through in the last year. And despite all of that, we see that revenues are coming back very materially for us. Expenses are down, and we can see more opportunity to optimize it. And frankly, do better both for our corporate contract and corporate customers and our unmanaged customers as well. That's not sort of guesswork that's out there. We actually see it. We're rolling out things right now, and that's implicit in our guide for Q2 and for the year.
Mary Schlangenstein:
So if your managed corporate is growing at a lower rate, is that an indication that you're seeing some pushback of people that don't want to go to your direct booking system?
Robert Isom:
Mary, I'll kick this off if Vasu can handle it as well. No, we don't think that is the case at all. Look, we've got some fine-tuning to do. No doubt the objective here is to save -- to hang on to all the cost savings and then also to make sure that we maximize revenue production. As we take a look at the first quarter, there's quite likely some benefit that our competitors received because of some of the things that we've -- the changes that we've made. That said, this is the opportunity for us to go and to make sure that as I said, the goal is cost savings and especially revenue production.
So as Vasu said, we've seen great reception to what we're doing with the unmanaged corporate business, small and medium-sized businesses in terms of the larger corporates, that's something that is an opportunity for us. but it will be consistent with our long-range plans of making sure that every customer that does business with American Airlines has access to the full suite of amenities, product services and tools. Vasu, anything you want to add?
Vasu Raja:
No, I feel like it's a great answer. Look, Mary, the last thing I would add to is also as corporates are coming back, they're coming in more disproportionately to coastal markets where we're relatively smaller in as unmanaged business comes back, it comes back in the Heartland and the Sunbelt, where we are relatively larger in. And so that also impacts some of the numbers you see.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Leslie Josephs of CNBC. Your line is open Leslie.
Leslie Josephs:
Can you compare the bookings for this summer and if any are coming in for the back half of the year versus 2023, both, and where people are going, the pace of bookings and how much they're paying and then do you have any concerns about kind of a slowdown in economic growth and a lot of consumers in the U.S. across the board, just racking up credit card debt.
Vasu Raja:
Sure. This is Vasu. I can start. And I'll maybe do last question first. Look, we continue to see healthy macro trends. We don't guess beyond what's the same information that probably everybody on this call gets to see and report on. As far as bookings go, Look, really beyond the summer, the system has -- it's not very much booked, in June right now in our domestic system where about 35% to 40% booked up, which is pretty normal for that entity. The long-haul network is a lot more booked up. 50%, 60% and building all of the time, depending on the entity that's there. But we continue to see healthy bookings come in. And like I mentioned before, and when I was talking about RASM by geography.
There are more customers who are coming back and really value traveling. They're paying more than before. And so far, in Q2, that trend seems to be taking shape. We anticipate that will continue based on all the macro factors that we see today. Should things change, we will too.
Leslie Josephs:
So bookings for summer are higher than last year?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. We're booking up higher in part because of the positioning of our airline network and also just overall demand trends.
Robert Isom:
Leslie, just to put a fine point on it, we see strong demand, and we're going to revenue manage appropriately. But the marketplace, domestic international looks very strong.
Operator:
Thank you. This concludes the Q&A portion of the call. I would now like to turn the conference back to Robert Isom, for closing remarks. Sir?
Robert Isom:
Latif, thanks. Look, we don't like reporting a loss. That's a challenge for us. It's also an opportunity. As we look forward, we are encouraged by what we see in terms of industry dynamics and also by those things that we've identified in the first quarter that we can go and address. We're going to do that. And we're going to stick to our longer-term game plan that we pointed out at Investor Day, and that is based on this that the environment for air travel is very -- is constructive.
We see demand coming back. It's strong again this year, and that's favorable for American Airlines because that demand is also coming in the places that we are strong. We are a changed airline. We're an airline that delivers on our commitments and we will continue to do so. We will be focused on execution as we go throughout the year and there's great opportunities ahead as well. And those opportunities, as we outlined on Investor Day are really based on our fleet. We have the vast majority of the assets that we need to fly our schedule and more already in-house. We're probably less dependent than anyone on outside services to actually run our airline. We're proud of the team that we've assembled. They're doing incredibly well, best operational reliability in our company's history and leading the industry in terms of completion factor. Our network is something that we're going to lean into. We're proud of what we've built, the regional nature that extends out to global reach in this fantastic set of partners that we can leverage. And we have this opportunity now. As we've talked about on the call and through various questions, to create a travel rewards ecosystem, distribution platform through the renegotiation of our co-brand deals. We're going to do that. And at the same time, we're going to be incredibly focused on reengineering our business and running as efficiently as possible. I'm pleased with the progress we're making on all those fronts. And as we progress through the year, I expect margin expansion and generation of free cash flow and that bodes well for our shareholders. So we'll end the call and get back to work. Thank you.
Operator:
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Thank you for standing by, and welcome to American Airlines Group's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the call over to Scott Long, VP of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Please go ahead.
Scott Long:
Thank you, Latif. Good morning, and welcome to the American Airlines Group fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings conference call. On the call with prepared remarks, we have our CEO, Robert Isom; and our CFO, Devon May. A number of our other senior executives are also in the room this morning for the Q&A session. Robert will start the call with an overview of our performance, and Devon will follow with details on the fourth quarter and full year, in addition to outlining our operating plans and outlook going forward. After our prepared remarks, we'll open the call for analyst questions, followed by questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Before we begin today, we must state that today's call contains forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecasts of capacity and fleet plans. These statements represent our predictions and expectations of future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release that was issued this morning, as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2023. In addition, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release, which can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information we're giving you on the call this morning is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thank you for your interest and for joining us this morning. And with that, I will turn the call over to our CEO, Robert Isom.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. Today, American reported an adjusted pretax profit of $257 million for the fourth quarter and approximately $2.5 billion for the full year, driven by the strength of our network, continued demand for our product and fantastic execution by our team. I want to thank the American Airlines team for their incredible work to care for our customers and deliver a 2023 that we're proud of. We're running a historically strong operation, driving incremental revenue through our commercial initiatives, managing our costs, producing record free cash flow and strengthening our balance sheet through debt reduction. This year, we'll continue to prioritize reliability, profitability and accountability, while building an even more efficient and resilient airline. We also remain focused on taking care of our team and continue to make progress on our labor agreements. Our commitment in negotiations has been consistent, reach deals as quickly as possible and ensure our team is paid as well as their industry peers. We finalized a new contract with the APA in the third quarter last year. And a few weeks ago, we did the same for our customer service team, represented by the CWA-IBT, giving team members increased pay and quality of life improvements. We continue to negotiate with the APSA with the shared goal of reaching a deal that will pay our flight attendants at the top of the industry. Now, let's talk more about our financial results. We produced record full year revenues of approximately $53 billion, driven by strong demand for our product and record revenue from our travel rewards program. Demand remains strong, and we've seen robust bookings to start the year as travel trends have begun to normalize across entities. We're also very encouraged by the trends we're seeing in business travel. Domestic revenues from business travel ended the fourth quarter at approximately 90% of 2019 levels. We're excited about the continued rollout of the AAdvantage Business program, and we continue to see strength among small and medium-sized businesses. We see further potential revenue upside as we restore our hubs domestically, enabled in part by the recovery and regional supportability. This year, we expect our system capacity growth to be balanced between domestic and international. More than ever, our revenue growth is fueled by a growing number of AAdvantage customers who acquired our co-brand credit cards in record numbers in 2023. AAdvantage customers represent both our greatest source of value and greatest opportunity going forward. In 2023, two-thirds of our revenue came from AAdvantage customers. These customers also account for 70% of our upsell, loyalty and partnership revenue. Over the past year, we have made changes to our distribution strategy to give customers direct, improved access to our best products and enable American to provide better customer service to the individual traveler. We're very encouraged by the results. Customers who shop directly with us have a more enjoyable experience and are 11 points more likely to recommend American than those shopping in traditional outlets. They're purchasing more valuable content and doing so at lower expense. In 2023, our revenue was 15% higher than 2019, while our selling expenses were 10% lower. Our fleet, network and travel rewards program will continue to drive significant value moving forward. And our limited near-term capital requirements will position us to continue to generate free cash flow. Turning now to the operation. The American Airlines team continues to achieve industry leading operational results. We produced our best ever performance in the fourth quarter and over the full year, including our record on-time departure rate and completion factor during the busy holiday season. American ranked first among the U.S. network carriers in mainline and regional completion factor in 2023, with our lowest number of cancellations for any year since the merger. All of this led to record likelihood to recommend scores in the fourth quarter and full year. No network airline has operated more reliably than American over the past year and a half. We're running the best operation in our history, thanks to our focus on operational excellence and strong collaboration across the entire organization. We will continue to build on that performance and deliver exceptional service for our customers. Now, I will turn it over to Devon to share more about our fourth quarter and full year financial results and outlook for the rest of the year.
Devon May:
Thank you, Robert, and thank you to the American Airlines team for continuing to produce outstanding results. In the fourth quarter and for the full year, we delivered a fantastic operation for our customers. We took further action to strengthen our balance sheet. And early this year, we finalized a new contract for our customer service team members. In the fourth quarter, excluding net special items, we reported net income of $192 million or adjusted earnings per diluted share of $0.29, and earnings results above our guidance for the quarter, driven by strong operational performance and better ex-fuel unit cost performance. For the full year, we delivered on our stated objectives and produced results in line with the guidance we provided last January, including on-capacity production, unit revenue, CASMx and earnings per share. Excluding net special items, we generated full year net income of $1.9 billion, or adjusted earnings per diluted share of $2.65. And importantly, for the full year, we generated free cash flow of $1.8 billion. In 2023, American produced record revenue of approximately $53 billion. We generated an adjusted EBITDAR margin of 14.5%, and an adjusted operating margin of 7.6%. In the fourth quarter, revenue was more than $13 billion. Our adjusted EBITDAR margin was 12%, and we produced an adjusted operating margin of 5.1%. Our strong operational performance in the fourth quarter resulted in capacity that was 5.8% higher year-over-year, slightly above the midpoint of our guidance range. Unit revenue for the quarter was in line with the midpoint of our previous guidance, down 6.4% year-over-year. Unit cost, excluding net special items and fuel, was up 4.2% year-over-year, nearly 1 point better than the low end of our prior guidance range. This outcome was driven in part by the strength of our operation, resulting in more capacity, lower overtime and premium pay and lower interrupted trip expense. Turning now to our fleet. We have modest aircraft CapEx requirements this decade due to the fleet investments we made over the past decade. In 2023, we took delivery of 23 new mainline aircraft. This year, we expect to take delivery of 28 new mainline aircraft, including 20 737 MAX 8, six 787-9 and two A321neo aircraft. Our 2024 aircraft CapEx is expected to be approximately $2.3 billion, and our 2024 non-aircraft CapEx is expected to be approximately $850 million. We continue to have discussions with manufacturers for additional aircraft to deliver later this decade and into the 2030s. Due to the young age of our fleet, we have very modest aircraft replacement needs. As a result, we expect aircraft capex to average less than $3.5 billion per year from 2025 through 2030. A relatively low capital requirements, along with our free cash flow production has allowed for significant progress in strengthening the balance sheet. We have now reduced total debt by approximately $11.4 billion from peak levels in 2021. And by the end of this year, we expect to have reduced total debt by approximately $13 billion from peak levels in 2021, which is over 85% of the way towards our $15 billion total debt reduction goal. Now onto the outlook for 2024. Our focus this year will be to continue to deliver industry-leading reliability and to reengineer our business to ensure we run the airline as efficiently as possible while enhancing the customer experience. This year, we'll finally be producing more capacity than we did in 2019. Consistent with our prior expectations, we plan to grow capacity mid-single digits year-over-year in 2024. This growth will be enabled by improved asset utilization and new aircraft deliveries. Based on current assumptions, we expect full year TRASM to be flat to down 3% year-over-year. For the full year, we expect CASMx to be up approximately 0.5% to 3.5% versus 2023. This unit cost guidance reflects approximately 2.5 points of year-over-year CASMx pressure due to collective bargaining agreements ratified in 2023 and early 2024, and anticipated agreement with our flight attendants in 2024. Our ability to achieve this full year unit cost result is due to our focus on operating more efficiently and improving our asset utilization. In 2024, we expect aircraft utilization to be up 2% to 4%, and we expect to deliver approximately $400 million in cost savings through the use of digital solutions, reengineering processes and transforming procurement. We have spent the last 18 months sizing the opportunity and developing plans to reengineer our business to be more productive, while improving the customer and team member experience. We are excited about the early results, and we will spend more time discussing these opportunities in greater detail at our upcoming Investor Day. This year, we expect to produce adjusted earnings per diluted share of between $2.25 and $3.25. Using the midpoint of that guidance, we are forecasting free cash flow production of over $2 billion. Looking at the first quarter, we expect TRASM to be down approximately 3.5% to 5.5% on 6.5% to 8.5% more capacity year-over-year. We expect first quarter CASMx to be up approximately 2% to 4% year-over-year. Recall that we did not have the cost impact of our new pilot agreement accrued in the first quarter of 2023. Our year-over-year CASMx performance improved throughout the year as we lap the pilot agreement increases. Our current forecast for the first quarter assumes a fuel price of between $2.65 and $2.85 per gallon. Based on our current demand assumptions and fuel price forecast, we expect to produce an adjusted operating margin of between 0% and 2% in the first quarter, and an adjusted loss per share between $0.15 and $0.35. We are pleased with the progress the American Airlines team has made in 2023, and we remain focused on delivering results to unlock additional value in 2024 and beyond. Now back to Robert for closing remarks.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Devon. The American Airlines team continues to produce outstanding operational and financial results. When I moved into the CEO role two years ago, we made a commitment to be reliable and profitable and we have delivered in a big way. We made it clear to all of you what we were going to do and our team made it happen. Moving forward, we will continue to execute on our plans and control what we can control. Our team has done tremendous work, but there is much more in front of us as we continue to leverage our fleet and our network and build on our operational momentum. We see significant opportunistic to reengineer the business to build a more efficient airline. All of this will enable us to generate sustainable free cash flow. We look forward to sharing much more at our Investor Day on March 4th. And now, operator, please open the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] First question comes from the line of Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank.
Michael Linenberg:
Hey. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. I guess sort of a two-part question to involve Latin America too, I guess, Vasu. December quarter, it did look like that, that was the geography that underperformed, and I know some have called out that that's going to be a challenging geography in the March quarter as well. Obviously, it's a region that you're very strong in. I believe last quarter, Vasu, you did indicate that you were sort of going to add even more capacity into the region. There were markets that maybe were working there. Can you differentiate between near international beach markets and maybe Latin America long haul? Is there a distinction? One's outperforming the other. Any color on that? And then I have a quick follow-up related to the region as well. Thank you.
Vasu Raja:
Absolutely, Mike. No, it's a great question. There's actually two things to clarify. One is the difference between, as we call it short haul and long haul Latin America and also the difference between year-over-year RASM and actually, marginal profitability. So -- and I'll do the second one first. First, in December, we flew our largest schedule ever in Miami with so much of it going to Latin America. It also was most profitable we've seen the Miami hub. We've been able to drive a lot of efficiency over South America. And so while we do see some more challenging near-term revenue trends, the important thing is, it's near term both in short and in long. As we look at Q1, the entirety of our short-haul business, domestic plus the short-haul Latin markets together, basically, any way where we can fly a narrow body turns positive by the end of Q1. So, we do see the issues as really more near term. And related with -- in the long-haul market too, we see improving trends as we move through the course of the year.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay. Great. And then just my second on Latin America. Your partner down in Brazil, looks like they may potentially file for bankruptcy. When I think about your CapEx and investments for 2024, are you including in that some potential additional investment in GOL or is that a TBD or maybe that's not even on the table? How should we think about that and your relationship there?
Vasu Raja:
Hey, Mike. There's probably a lot about this that we're not going to quite answer yet, but at least, let me offer this. First, foremost and always, our partnership with GOL is a commercial partnership and we benefit them tremendously through our network, our AAdvantage program and our customer base. We're a massive source of value for them. And whatever course of action they choose to take, that will hold true. And the last thing I'll say is really for our customers that no matter what might happen in the region, we see no compromise to our network connectivity, the quality of service or whatever else might be the case. So, we're prepared for all eventualities, but our partnerships are first and foremost, commercial partnerships.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Scott Group of Wolfe Research.
Scott Group:
Hey. Thanks. Good morning. So, overall, we've seen some of the other airlines so far guide to positive RASM this year . How come you guys are so flat? You guys are flat to down on RASM. Any thoughts that explains the difference between what you're guiding to and maybe what some of the others are saying?
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Scott. Hey, look, we see, obviously, a tremendous demand. But we build our plan based on what we think is going to happen. Now that said, if other carriers are actually seeing that kind of benefit, it's going to accrue to American as well. And so I have no doubt that if there are adjustments to our assumptions based on any reason, whether that be capacity or demand that, look, we're going to be the beneficiaries as well as for overall economic performance in the U.S.
Devon May:
Yeah. And, Scott, I'll only add, our focus in this company is margin performance. And there is so much that can change as you get out into Q3 or Q4. But as we see it right now, as the year has started, we are intaking revenues at the same growth rate that our capacity is coming in. As I mentioned earlier, we will exit Q1 as we anticipated with positive year-over-year RASM in our domestic and short-haul business. And we expect a lot of the same strength in international RASMs to continue. But first and always, we are margin focused.
Scott Group:
So, just -- so I understand within your RASM guide for Q1, you're expecting domestic RASM to inflect positive by the end of the quarter. Is that right?
Devon May:
Correct.
Scott Group:
Okay. And then just so I heard -- just want to clarify then. The full year guide does include expectations for a flight attendant deal.
Robert Isom:
Yes. It does have an assumed flight attendant deal.
Scott Group:
Okay. All right. Thank you, guys. Appreciate the time.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Catherine O'Brien of Goldman Sachs. Your question, please, Catherine?
Catherine O'Brien:
Hey. Good morning, team. Maybe one for Devon first. Congrats on the progress towards your total debt goal. It seems like that's tracking ahead of schedule. What's the right debt reduction target we should be thinking about for 2024 with over $2 billion in free cash flow currently expected? I'm sure we'll hear more in March, but any high level thoughts on where you want leverage to go in the short term? And what's the appropriate long-term level of net debt or EBITDAR, or whatever your preferred metric is? Thanks so much.
Devon May:
Hey. Thanks for the question, Catie. We are pretty focused on the next 24 months right now. So as we mentioned in the prepared remarks, we expect total debt reduction to be down $13 billion by the end of 2024, so about $1.5 billion improvement from where we were at, at the end of 2023. We still have a target for $15 billion of total debt reduction by the end of 2025. So, we're really proud of the progress we have made over the last couple of years. Also, really proud of the progress we've made in smoothing out our debt towers going forward. At the start of 2023, we had over $9 billion of debt due in 2025. Through debt paydown and some refinancings, we have significantly smoothed that tower and we feel really good about where we're at now. Still feel great about the $15 billion total debt reduction target. And yeah, as we get to the Investor Day in March, we'll talk a lot more about our longer term goals for the balance sheet
Catherine O'Brien:
Got it. And then maybe, if I could just dig in a little more with you, Vasu, on how you expect the different regions to perform underlying that 1Q unit revenue guide of down 3.5% to 5.5%. Understand, what you already told us about short haul and domestic turning positive by the end of the quarter, but would love to just kind of run through Transatlantic, LatAm, Asia-Pac, domestic with whatever details you can provide. Thanks so much.
Vasu Raja:
Yeah. Sure, happy to. Look, for us, we anticipate that the domestic system will turn positive by the end of the quarter. Maybe I should start by saying this. So much of our capacity is weighted to the short-haul market. In Q1, we will be over 75% of our ASMs in domestic and short-haul Caribbean. So that very much influences things. But we end Q1 with RASM across those regions turning positive. In long haul, we see a lot of -- effectively, flat Transatlantic performance year-over-year, Transpacific and long-haul Latin flat to slightly down year-over-year. But all of those entities are seeing improving trends. And certainly, as we see more capacity changes coming into schedules for March and beyond, those numbers will yet move again. And we're probably more encouraged by what we see in short haul than in maybe any other region at this point.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker of J.P. Morgan Securities. Please go ahead, Jamie.
Jamie Baker:
Hey. Good morning, everybody. A couple for Vasu. First, the dead horse question. I know you're not going to give specific guides on geographic profitability. But as we think about the Northeast Alliance unwind and considering demand, seasonality, what quarter do you anticipate the maximum pain from the unwind being experienced and perhaps that's behind us in you models. At what point are New York and Boston the largest drag or the least contributing, however, you want to think about it?
Vasu Raja:
Well, Jamie, the worst is behind us. That happened in Q3. In fact, New York -- and I'd refer you and others to prior commentary that I made on this either in press or on these calls. The New York marketplace, the New York customer base has changed in the post-pandemic world. It now is the thing, which our slot portfolio serves a whole lot better. Our New York performance is doing better. And unlike what led to the partnerships we've had there, we see continued growth in originations share. New York is our largest market for enrolling new customers, both in AAdvantage and in the credit card and it had never been that prior to the NEA. So, we're certainly open. We're open to any partnership that is better for our customers, period, full stop. But for where we are right now, the worst is certainly behind us.
Jamie Baker:
Perfect. And then on corporate recovery. In the past, you and I, I mean, we've all spoken about blended travel and the network and pricing changes that you've made to take advantage of that phenomenon. When we think about what you are seeing today in terms of corporate recovery, though, is it robust enough that you need to make further adjustments or is it simply incremental yield without any cost or effort?
Vasu Raja:
Hey, Jamie. It's a great question and maybe one that speaks at large our distribution strategy. And so let me speak at large to that first and I'll hit that. First, all of our changes whether it's with corporate travel management or travel agencies, what have you, are this simple, we sell our product through the Internet. That's what our customers demand. That's how we can give them the best content at the lowest expenses to them and the best servicing and we see that. We see that we're producing revenue more efficiently, more strategically more to the liking of our customers. I'll echo what Robert said. We're up 15% in revenue. We are down 8% to 9% in selling expenses. Our likelihood to recommend scores are higher. But as we look at it, what has really been a change is 65% of our revenue comes from AAdvantage customers, but we continue to see a lot more (ph). About 45% of our revenue is coming from AAdvantage customers who are buying premium content, a better seat, more refundability, more flexibility for miles. And that's up 3 points year-over-year. So that's all to say that -- in any which way we double click on that, it's meaningful, right? We too exit Q4 with a 90% business recovery. Within that unmanaged business versus managed businesses, almost a 3:1 ratio, with unmanaged business 100% plus recovered, managed business down further. The impact on managed business is really flat from traffic on higher yields. So as we go forward, actually, we're going to lean further into this. What we have realized through this is first and foremost, we need to make it easy for our customers to consume our content through the Internet. So, we're going to offer more mileage for customers who shop through the Internet. We're going to roll out better servicing capabilities for Internet distribution, and we are going to start restricting the amount of selling and servicing that we do through non-Internet based channels. And we invite all the travel managers and all the travel agencies of the world to join us in this because this is great for customers and it should be great for them too. All of our financial incentives targeted to that audience are really around helping them shift. So, we've actually been very encouraged by what we've seen. I think, clearly, our relative RASM performance is similar to what it was in the exit pandemic period. And now in the year ahead, we have the opportunity to optimize.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Vernon of Bernstein.
David Vernon:
Hey. Good morning, guys. So on the topic of sort of premium and how the buy-ops are affecting the business right now. Can you give us some sort of color around how premium product sales or movements up and down the fare ladder happening, growth in basic, growth in premium? Just give us some sense of kind of where you are in that process of tapping into what is a more lucrative segment of revenue?
Vasu Raja:
Hey. Thanks, David. This is Vasu, and I'll pick it up right where I left it off. I think I can probably give you a fact point that makes it easier to understand just why we are so focused around selling, creating more content for AAdvantage customers. So if you look at our system right now, about 7% of what we sell is basic economy. And indeed, that is up 20% year-over-year, but that's up 20% year-over-year because we changed its product. Last year we included in commission dealings and corporate travel management programs. We just took it out last year. We reintroduced it this year, [Technical Difficulty] that's actually not the critical thing. What's been more interesting to us is 10% of our revenue is coming from customers who actually shop basic, but then buy something higher. And within that -- that number is up 25% year-over-year. And almost all of its growth is coming through dot-com and app. And we see more and more ways where customers actually who are coming for a basic product want more than that, and we can go and deliver that to them, which is why so many of our distribution strategies, far from being risky, we see as a great opportunity.
David Vernon:
Okay. And then maybe just as a quick follow up. As you think about some of the rationalization of the negative margin or lower margin capacity that's being contemplated out in the industry, how should we be thinking about the impact of, let's say, an unbundled operator pulling in capacity on your fare ladder? Is that sort of uniform impact up and down the different fare classes or is it more concentrated in something like a basic product? Anything you could tell us for, help us to understand how some of the capacity changes in the market might impact American would be really helpful.
Vasu Raja:
Well, look, at large, and I think Robert mentioned it earlier, if there is -- like all businesses, supply, demand driven businesses and if there's less supply, that's going to have a clear impact on demand. But for us, with things like basic, in fact, for all of our fare products, we do not make products that are so odious no one will buy it. The whole point of them is to actually have customers experience, travel and join AAdvantage. And for us, basic economy is not about a competitive product. It's our entry level product that gets customers in the door and signed up for AAdvantage.
Robert Isom:
Hey, David. I just want to add one other thing here, which is, this is that we've built technology to enable us to react to whatever may come our way. So as Vasu has said that, look, our goal is to make sure that we can deliver a product to the customers the way they want to receive it. It also has to be done in a way that is incredibly nimble and can be changed. And in the past you may have seen carriers, even American unable to react very quickly. That's not the case right now. So whatever happens in the marketplace, we've got the technology, we've got the product to be super competitive and whether it's us developing it on our own or having to compete, we'll be ready.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Conor Cunningham of Melius Research. Please go ahead, Conor. Again, Conor, please make sure your line isn't muted. If you're on a speakerphone, lift your handset. We'll go to our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ravi Shanker of Morgan Stanley. Your question, please, Ravi?
Katherine Kallergis:
Good morning, everyone. This is Katherine on for Ravi. So, thank you for taking my question. My question is really around the Investor Day in a few weeks, which I know is probably the first one you guys have hosted in about seven years. And I was just curious what investors can expect to hear during the event, whether it's new financial long-term targets, revenue initiatives, just any color around the event would be great.
Robert Isom:
Hey, Katherine. Thanks. No, we're excited about the Investor Day. And look, we've worked really hard to put the focus of the company on doing the fundamentals really well. You know that we've talked about returning the company to reliability, profitability, strengthening our balance sheet by paying down debt. We're in a really great spot now to talk about what's next. And on that horizon, we're going to be talking about the benefits of all the work that we've done on our fleet, everything we've done with our network and partnerships. Vasu's mentioned a number of times, even today, the potential within our loyalty program. We're going to talk about even doing better in terms of what we deliver to our customers. And ultimately, we want to talk a lot about how we can do that all a lot more efficiently. One of the things you'll see is that in Americans, look, it's a changed airline. We have a focus on producing free cash flow and ultimately, rewarding our shareholders. So can't wait to tell you more about all of that.
Katherine Kallergis:
And just as a quick follow-up, I know it's probably too early, but I was curious if you had seen any share shift in January just due to the issue with the MAX grounding with other carriers. I wasn't sure if you had seen anything in the data.
Robert Isom:
No, Vasu can add some color to that. Look, January isn't -- it's been a strong month for us, but it's never the busiest months of the year. And so we'll fly load factors in the 70s. It's probably similar for the rest of the industry. And while I'm sure that there is benefit, I know that there is, it's not material when you think about the number of seats that are opened for all carriers and the overall size of the American Airlines business.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI. Your question, please, Duane?
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey. Good morning. Thank you. Maybe start with Vasu. Can you speak to advanced bookings beyond 1Q here? Just curious, we had this real surge this time last year. Maybe you could just comment on what the booking curve looks like, if it's shorter, if it's lengthening, and if you have any commentary on domestic versus international book yields as you look a little further out into peak periods.?
Vasu Raja:
Yeah. Hey, thanks for the question. Look, the booking curve is largely flat to last year. There is a moderate shift. Let's call it 2 points from outside of the inside 30 day range to the outside 30 day range. What I would say is, right now, we're intaking revenues in line with capacity and entity by entity, market by market. Sometimes it's yield, sometimes it's traffic. But as long as that's continuing, we're encouraged. Right now, in the summer, really the most impactful thing that we see is long haul. And we're seeing long haul book up on a revenue basis at the same rates as we saw last year, which is a particularly strong year and we're just too early in the domestic and short haul curve to really see that yet. But we're encouraged by what we see even as we start selling more March and the post Easter period too.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thanks. You actually said more than I thought you would. Just to follow up there on the long haul, any commentary on booked yields? Are we holding serve or are we going backwards a bit?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. So far we're holding serve, and it's still a long way to go, though.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Diadora, Bank of America. Please go ahead, Andrew.
Andrew Diadora:
Hey. Good morning, everyone. So, Robert, just on the operations, you've obviously made some great strides here post-pandemic. Certainly seems to really be helping your CASM. Don't want to steal any thunder from Investor Day, but just kind of want to get your bigger picture thoughts on like what is next operationally at American into '24 and '25? What's the plan or are you at a point now where it's sort of maintaining what you have built so far?
Robert Isom:
Hey, Andrew. Thanks. Well, look, we're really proud of the team and what they've accomplished. You think about American Airlines being the most reliable carrier in the country over the last 18 months, over the last year. So nobody can claim that they flew a more reliable schedule or canceled fewer flights and we're really proud of that. But I'll tell you, that's a baseline now that we can take going forward. And you're right about the best way to run an airline is the most reliable. All the rework costs are taken out of it, but we're not going to stop there. We can do what we did and we can do it more efficiently. And I want to just hand the mic over to David Seymour to talk a little bit more about how he thinks we can bring things like technology to bear. David?
David Seymour:
Yeah. No, Robert, thank you. And, again, super proud of what the team has done in 2023. It was a great year, but it really as Robert said, it is the foundation of where we're headed into '24 and beyond. What I'd tell you is, we have a much better understanding of the complexities of our operation and we're investing in technology to solve quickly and more efficiently and more optimally than we ever have before. So, our relationship and our partnering with our IT team is just starting, and we had seen a lot of opportunity in the future to do what we do better, more better, more efficiently than we ever had before.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Got it. And then my follow-up question. Vasu, a lot of discussion on the call just with regards to your distribution strategy. I thought the 80% of bookings coming through these new channels was interesting. Where do you think this can go? I think 80% already seems pretty high. And what have been the growing pains thus far with the NDC rollout? Thank you.
Robert Isom:
Yeah. Hey, thanks for the question. Look, I'll answer it in this way. We have been similarly enthusiastic and even a little surprised at how quickly the transition has happened. It's not just that we're 80% coming through Internet based technology. Within that, 65% plus is coming just strictly through our owned channels, which is our greatest rate of growth. So first, I will say, strategically, we're going to distribute through the Internet. It's what our customers demand. It's how we give them the best fares and the lowest expenses and the best servicing. So at some point, the number becomes 100. And the real issue in 2024 is we want to just continue to transition as many of our retailing partners to use the Internet with us. So ultimately, it becomes 100. We're really encouraged by what we've seen therein.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Savi Syth of Raymond James. Your question, please, Savi.
Savanthi Syth:
Hey. Good morning. Just to follow-up on the commentary about balanced growth between domestic and international, I was curious, if you can talk a little bit about, like on the international side, if there is kind of a difference in growth trends between Atlantic and LatAm and Asia? And then on the domestic side, just if the regional mix, what kind of improvements in mix you're expecting this year?
Devon May:
Sure. Just so that I understand, you're talking about the American airlines' capacity mix?
Savanthi Syth:
Correct.
Devon May:
Not like the industry capacity mix or something.
Savanthi Syth:
That's right.
Devon May:
Correct. Okay, well, look, at large, consistent with pretty much all that we've talked about, we will, through the course of the year, be a roughly 75-25 short haul, long haul carrier. Increasingly, our growth will be split about 50-50 between short haul and long haul. Certainly the thing that we are maybe most enthusiastic about is the continued improved utilization of our wholly-owned regional jets. In fact, so much of how domestic turns to positive RASM is directly correlated to us bringing regional jets back. And as good as that's starting to look, in the weeks and months ahead, we know we still have 10% more utilization to do there. So, that's really where our opportunity is. And in long haul, I mean, you can kind of see the schedule that's out there right now. There's probably not a lot of difference when it actually goes to fly, but a big chunk of our footprint will be in Transatlantic in the summer, which tends to be the highest demand thing, followed by Latin America and last of all, Pacific.
Savanthi Syth:
That's helpful. And lastly, if I might just kind of be converse of the basic economy discussion on the premium revenue side. Just wondering if you can talk about what you're seeing there and if you're seeing any, what you're seeing on the kind of the booked fresh class load factor, those kind of trends?
Devon May:
Yeah. Look, 60% of our revenue comes from customers buying premium content, of which 45 points of that are AAdvantage customers and 15 points are non-AAdvantage customers. So I'd say at large, our real commercial opportunity is to make those people who are -- help those people who are 15% buying premium content, join our programs and give continuity of great content to the people who do. And we see continued improvements in premium load factors pretty much every way there is. Premium revenues across our system are up 15%. Premium book load factors are at their highest levels, approaching close to 80% in some periods that are there. And really a lot of what we're endeavoring to do is reserve so much of our premium capacity for AAdvantage customers.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Conor Cunningham of Melius Research. Please go, ahead, Conor.
Conor Cunningham:
Hi, everyone. Can you hear me?
Scott Long:
We've got you, Conor. Go ahead.
Conor Cunningham:
Thanks. Sorry about that. Just in terms of headcount for 2024, we haven't heard a lot about that from you guys. From the industry standpoint, it's obviously slowing. But what do you need to add this year to kind of hit your 2024 trajectory in terms of capacity and maybe beyond that? Thank you.
Devon May:
Yeah. For this year, it certainly is a lot less higher than what we've done in the past. We are going to be bringing on about 1% more headcount. So, we'll call it somewhere around 1,000 or 2,000 more heads this year, but a big reduction from where we're last year. And it's just a sign of where we're at with efficiencies as well. We've probably hired a head a little bit in 2023, but this year we're looking to grow the airline mid-single digits and headcount is going to grow by about 1%.
Conor Cunningham:
Okay. Perfect. We haven't actually heard a lot about maintenance headwinds from you guys, and that's been like a major theme from a lot of the other carriers. So just are you seeing any meaningful call out into 2024, and then what are you guys doing specifically to mitigate a lot of those headwinds? I realize that it grew a lot last year. But is that kind of normalized going forward? Thank you.
Devon May:
Yeah. I'll start and just maybe talk about where the P&L has been and then turn it over to Robert, to David. But we did have some headwinds in 2023, I want to say our maintenance expense in 2023 versus 2022 was up something close to $0.5 billion. This year flattens out a bit. We do expect it to be up. And it's one of the areas of the P&L where we'll have a little bit of variability just depending on how many in-house engine overhauls that we end up doing this year. But '23 was a big step up, '24 is less so. And there is a lot of great work being done on David's team to address as well. Hand it over to them.
Robert Isom:
Yeah. So, I'll just start, Conor. I think one of the things that I look at is that maintenance needs for the industry as a whole are going to increase greatly. American is really well positioned, not only because of what we've done over the past decade by bringing in more new aircraft than anyone, but as well remember that we have maintenance capabilities where we're not solely dependent on outside resources that are going to be incredibly constrained. So one of the things that I know David can talk to us about is that we're going to make sure that we have even more capacity to do engine overhauls. We already have 12,000 mechanics, more than anybody else in commercial aviation and we're going to put them to good use. And I think that that's going to be even more of a strategic advantage for American as we take a look at a really constrained resource. David?
David Seymour:
Yeah, Robert. Yeah, there's a lot of effort both what Robert and Devin talked about is that a lot of focus here and we have these normal waves that we run into with maintenance cycles that we have on heavy checks and engine checks that we got to do. But a lot of emphasis this past year and going into 2024 of getting a lot more efficient at how we manage that maintenance. As Robert talked about, we have really good control with longer-term resources to get that work done. So, we're very confident that we're going to be able to get the efficiencies and reduce some of that cost here in the near future.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Daniel McKenzie of Seaport Global. Your question, please, Daniel?
Daniel McKenzie:
Hey. Thanks. Good morning, guys. My two questions are on technology as well here. So, 65% of the bookings going to 100% on aa.com. What percent or portion of the revenue does this represent today and what percent of the revenue was up 15%, exactly?
Devon May:
What I would say is 50 -- let me first clarify. So, 65% of our bookings are going through our digital channels. On a revenue basis, it's actually a little bit north of that. It's probably a little closer to 70% as we're intaking. And those are our revenue intakes that are coming in. Separately from that, when we go, look back at 2023, 60% of our revenue came from customers buying premium content, which is a premium seat or greater flexibility around the premium seat. Of those, 15% of our total customer base is non-AAdvantage. About 45% is AAdvantage.
Daniel McKenzie:
Yeah. Thanks a lot. That's helpful. And then the second question is really a bigger longer-term question on potential cost savings and it relates to the transition to the cloud. I'm wondering where American is at with respect to that transition and what kind of cost savings that could ultimately represent on an annual run rate? So is it tens of millions, hundreds of millions or maybe somewhere in between?
Vasu Raja:
Hey, Dan. Let me start on this one as need be. Devon or others can pick up. But this is actually a great one, which we look forward to talking about more in our Investor Day. We are operating the entirety of the company with a tech-first mindset. This is one of many initiatives, but by no means the biggest, as promising as it is as you've laid out. So more to come soon.
Robert Isom:
Yeah. And Vasu, I'll just add that, look, all of that kind of work will be a facilitator to delivering product faster, more efficiently and so that's the kind of mindset. So we're not -- I'd rather not talk about it just as a discrete item. We'll bring it altogether as we get to March 4th.
Daniel McKenzie:
Okay. Thanks, guys. Great job.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Alison Sider of Wall Street Journal. Please go ahead, Alison.
Alison Sider:
Hi. Thanks so much. I was wondering what is your level of confidence in Boeing's current leadership?
Robert Isom:
Hey, Ali. Look, a couple of quick things. First off, some of Boeing's current issues are all around the MAX 9 and the 737-900s. American Airlines does not fly those aircraft. We're a huge Boeing customer, though, and we're dependent on them for just producing. [Technical Difficulty] We're going to hold them accountable. Boeing needs to get their act together. The issues that they've been dealing with over the recent period of time, but also going back a number of years now is unacceptable. And no matter who it is, all of Boeing needs to come together and to get back on the right track.
Alison Sider:
And the production limits that the FAA announced last night to the MAX, but do you expect that to have any impact on deliveries for American? I mean, do you think that that makes sense for Boeing?
Robert Isom:
So, look, we will encourage Boeing to do everything that they can to get back on track and produce a quality product, plain and simple. For us, we have a fleet right now of over 1,500 aircraft, so we have 20 MAX 8s that are on the horizon for this next year. These aircrafts are likely already in production, and I don't anticipate to run into any issues. But I'll say this as well, though. Nobody has taken on more new aircraft than American Airlines in recent history. And we take that acceptance process very seriously, and we've done that for years. We have the teams of people in place to make sure that what comes onto Americans property is ready to go, ready to fly. And as I said before, we encourage Boeing to get their act together, get back on the right track.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mary Schlangenstein of Bloomberg News. Please go ahead, Mary.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Hey. Good morning. Just to follow up on that, as you continue to talk to OEMs about a potential narrow body order this year, are the things that are occurring at Boeing right now, is that having any impact at all as you think about placing that order? And then also wondering if you think that federal officials are taking the right steps in looking at Boeing. They've said they may expand to other production lines than the MAX. Do you see them taking the right steps or would you like to see them doing something different, maybe going even stronger on new requirements from Boeing?
Robert Isom:
So, Mary, thanks for the questions. Let me just start with this first. Administrator Whitaker, we have incredible confidence in. He's the right person for the job right now, and I'm very, very confident that he will hold all of us, but especially Boeing accountable for what they do. And to that end, I think that's the right approach. Look, aviation in the United States, aviation throughout the world, it's the safest form of transportation. We have a commitment to keep it that way, and Boeing has to be part of that equation. Now, as we take a look at future needs for aircraft, again, American Airlines, we have 1,500 aircraft, and a lot of the growth that we've been talking about is getting planes back up in the air that we could get more utilization out of. So, we're fortunate from that perspective. We're also fortunate to be the operator of the world's largest fleet of Airbus aircraft. So, look, we need Boeing to be successful over the long run. They've got to get their act together. We need all OEMs to do their job. It's hard enough running an airline. We need quality product, and that's what we demand.
Mary Schlangenstein:
So can you comment on whether what's going on at Boeing will reflect your ultimate decision on a narrow body order?
Robert Isom:
We'll take -- look, we take the acquisition of new aircraft, bringing new aircraft down to American fleet very seriously, and we're going to make sure that whatever is purchased, whether it be from Airbus, Boeing, Embraer, you name it, that's something we take very seriously. And we're going to make sure that, that product is incredibly reliable, safe, right from the get go, right off the factory floor.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Leslie Josephs of CNBC. Your question, please, Leslie.
Leslie Josephs:
Hi. Thank you. Are you increasing your oversight personally at Boeing and do you see that as a permanent change, just given that it's kind of been one issue after another? And then just another question. Is Boeing providing any compensation, whether cash or in the form of discounts or anything else because of the issue and the FAA blocking any further production that could impact deliveries? Thanks.
Robert Isom:
Hey, Leslie. Look, as I've said before, American Airlines has taken more new aircraft than anyone in, really, the history of commercial aviation over the last 10 years. And on that front, we've had to deal with quality issues that we've had to make sure that we were protected against. And so from that perspective, we have a very robust aircraft acceptance process with people that are dedicated to that. And we're going to make sure that whatever we take from any manufacturer, and especially Boeing, that we have the right resources to ensure that they meet our specifications and are ready to go when they come into our fleet. And I'll leave it at that.
Operator:
Thank you. That does conclude the Q&A portion of our call. I would now like to turn the conference back to Robert Isom for closing remarks. Sir?
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Latif. Look, 2023 was an exceptional year for us. It was another year of building back from the pandemic, and I'm really proud of what the team has done. They've established us as the industry leader in reliability. We've restored the airline to profitability. We produced record free cash flow last year. We've got another year of really making sure that we continue the progress. It's a year that we're still recovering from the pandemic, and we're going to have to see how demand and capacity all shakes out. But as I've said even earlier today, we expect demand to be very strong. The spring and summer, I think, are going to be exceptional times for us in terms of demand for product. And as we look forward, I'm very interested in sitting down with folks and talking on March 4 at our Investor Day and talking about the future of American, building on that platform, showing how we have changed and that we have a mindset of producing for our customers, taking care of our team, and also making sure that we reward shareholders. More on that in the next month. And everybody, take care, and we'll talk soon.
Operator:
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Thank you for standing by and welcome to American Airlines Group's Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the call over to Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Development Scott Long. Please go ahead.
Scott Long:
Thank you, Latif. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group third quarter 2023 earnings conference call. On the call with prepared remarks, we have our CEO, Robert Isom and our CFO, Devon May. A number of our other senior executives are also here in the room this morning for the Q&A session. Robert will start the call with an overview of our performance, and Devin will follow with details on the third quarter, and will outline our operating plans and outlook going forward. After our prepared remarks, we'll open the call for analyst questions, followed by questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Before we begin today, we must state that today's call contains forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecasts of capacity, and fleet plans. These statements represent our predictions and expectations of future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release that was issued this morning, as well as our form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30th, 2023. In addition, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release, which can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information we are giving you on the call this morning is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thank you for your interest and for joining us this morning. And with that, I'll turn the call over to our CEO Robert Isom.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Scott, and good morning everyone. Today American reported an adjusted pre-tax profit of approximately $362 million for the third quarter, an earnings result that was above the high-end of our latest EPS guidance range. The American Airlines team continues to produce strong results, and as we look ahead to the rest of the year, we continue to prioritize reliability, profitability, accountability, and strengthening the balance sheet. We are also focused on taking care of the team. We are very pleased to have finalized a new contract with the Allied Pilots Association in August. The agreement delivers significant compensation and quality of life improvements to our pilots, while allowing us to expand our training capacity to support underutilized aircraft and our future flying. We're also working toward new agreements for our flight attendants and agents. We're running a strong and reliable operation involving our commercial offerings, taking care of our team and customers, producing free cash flow, and strengthening our balance sheet. All of this speaks to our steadfast focus on controlling what we can control. And we are proud to say that we are delivering on our commitments. Now before discussing our results in more detail, on behalf of all of us at American, I want to say how shocked and saddened we are by the horrific attacks in Israel, and we join the international community in condemning these acts of hate and violence. We are devastated by the incredible loss of innocent life. We're making every effort to care for our team members, who are impacted by this tragedy and to keep our team members safe, while also working with the U.S. Government to help find safe travel options for customers trying to depart the region. The safety and security of our team members, customers, and their families remains our top priority. Turning now to our financial results. We produced record third quarter revenues of approximately $13.5 billion, driven by a resilient demand environment and record travel rewards program revenue. Domestic demand remains steady, while international demand continues to drive revenue growth, led by the Atlantic, Caribbean, and Central America. During the third quarter, we saw year-over-year growth in corporate and government revenue, with a return to more traditional seasonality trends. We remain encouraged by what we're seeing with demand and revenue from unmanaged business travel. Importantly, more customers than ever are choosing our Travel Rewards program by acquiring our co-brand credit cards in record numbers, enrolling in the Advantage program, and shopping for our product through our direct channels. Co-brand mileage sales growth continues to outpace airline capacity and GDP growth, driving increased levels of loyalty and revenue production from card users. In the third quarter, approximately 80% of our bookings came from our own channels and modern retailing technology, which is up approximately 11 points from a year ago. These are the most efficient distribution channels in our ecosystem, and we expect to see these trends continue into the fourth quarter and beyond. Looking forward, our Network and Travel Rewards program will continue to be the primary drivers and value for our customers and for American. And we are focused on operating our business as efficiently as possible. Our simplified fleet remains the youngest and most efficient among the U.S. Network carriers, and we are working to increase the utilization of both our mainline and regional aircraft. In addition, we are identifying opportunities to drive incremental value across the company. These initiatives and our limited near and medium term CapEx requirements will allow us to continue to generate free cash flow that we can use to reinvest in the business and continue to pay down debt. Now turning to our operation. The American Airlines team delivered another quarter of fantastic operational results. Our team has produced stellar results for more than a year, including a record-setting performance during the peak travel period this summer. American operated more than 515,000 flights in the third quarter, and we produced our best ever third quarter completion factor of 98.6%. American ended the quarter with the best completion factor of the U.S. network carriers, while maintaining our first place standing and on-time departures through the first nine months of the year. No network airline has operated more reliably than American over the past 15-months. Our operational performance is better than ever and it's because of our steadfast focus on reliability and strong execution in an increasingly complex environment. Our commercial and operations teams build a fantastic plan each month, we execute on it, and we recover quickly during irregular operations. We're building on our momentum and we are committed to delivering a reliable operation for our customers as we approach the holiday season. And now I'll turn it over to Devin to share more about our third quarter financial results and the outlook for the fourth quarter.
Devon May:
Thank you, Robert. I would also like to thank the team for delivering another outstanding quarter. During the third quarter, the average price of jet fuel increased sharply. While the rapid increase in fuel prices resulted in lower earnings in the quarter, we continue to stay focused on our priorities. As Robert mentioned, in the third quarter, we delivered a fantastic operation for our customers, we finalized a new contract for our pilots, and we took further action to strengthen our balance sheet. Excluding net special items, we reported third quarter net income of $263 million, or adjusted earnings per diluted share of $0.38. This is above the high-end of our most recent guidance update, driven by slightly higher capacity and better ex-fuel unit cost performance in the quarter. American produced record third quarter revenue of approximately $13.5 billion. This revenue performance led to adjusted operating income of nearly $730 million, resulting in a third quarter adjusted operating margin of 5.4%. Our strong operational performance in the third quarter resulted in capacity that was 6.9% higher year-over-year at the high-end of our guidance range. Revenue for the quarter was in line with what we had shared in July and unit revenue was down 6.3% versus a historically strong 2022. Unit cost, excluding net special items and fuel, was up 3.3% year-over-year, nearly a point better than the low-end of our prior guidance range. This outcome was driven by higher capacity and some expenses that were pushed to the fourth quarter. Our significant fleet investments over the past decade allows for relatively modest aircraft CapEx this decade. Year-to-date, we have taken delivery of 17 mainline aircraft, and we expect four more aircraft to be delivered by year end, two narrow body aircraft deliveries have been delayed into 2024, so we now anticipate taking delivery of a total of 21 aircraft in 2023. All of our 2023 deliveries have been financed. Given the continuous supply chain challenges the OEMs are managing, we have been in the used market for younger vintage narrowbody aircraft. We have signed an agreement with Alaska Airlines to purchase 10 Airbus A321neo aircraft that we expect to join fleet in the fourth quarter of this year and the first quarter of 2024. Our 2023 aircraft CapEx is now expected to be approximately $1.9 billion, which includes a portion of the Alaska A321neo deliveries. Our 2023 non-aircraft CapEx is still expected to be approximately $800 million. We anticipate our 2024 total CapEx to be between $3 billion and $3.3 billion, slightly below our prior guide as we finalize our 2024 delivery schedules. Looking beyond 2024, we continue to review our medium and long-term fleet needs, and we are currently engaged with Boeing and Airbus for narrow-body aircraft deliveries in the latter half of this decade and beyond. Due to the young age of our fleet, we do not have any planned aircraft retirements this decade. As a result, we continue to expect aircraft CapEx to average approximately $3.5 billion per year through 2030. We are very pleased to have built our fleet in a low interest rate environment and at a time when the supply chain wasn't as challenged as it is today. Our relatively low capital requirements, along with our free cash flow production, has allowed for significant progress in strengthening the balance sheet. We've now reduced total debt by approximately $10.9 billion from peak levels in 2021, and we're more than 70% of the way to our goal of reducing total debt by $15 billion by the end of 2025. By year-end, we expect to have paid down approximately $11.5 billion, and we'll be 77% of the way to our total debt reduction goal. In addition to paying down regularly scheduled debt year-to-date we have proactively decreased our 2025 maturities by $2.3 billion through both the refinancing of the $1.8 billion South American term loan in the first quarter and more than $550 million of open market repurchases over the past two quarters. All three credit rating agencies recognize our progress with upgrades in the third quarter, and we expect further ratings improvements in the coming years as we continue to reduce total debt levels. We ended the third quarter with approximately $13.5 billion of total available liquidity, and for the full-year, we now expect free cash flow to approach $2 billion. The reduction from our prior free cash flow estimate is due to slightly higher aircraft CapEx related to the Alaska A321 and lower earnings largely due to the recent run-up in fuel expense. Now, on to the outlook for the fourth quarter. Post-Labor Day bookings have been in line with expectations. We have seen steady improvement in business travel with encouraging signs from both managed and unmanaged corporate customers, strong international demand, and historically high premium revenue both domestically and internationally. Consistent with recent trends, we expect steady demand during the upcoming peak holiday travel season. However, the strong unit revenue environment in 2022 continues to be a difficult comparison. As a result, we expect fourth quarter TRASM to be down 5.5% to 7.5% on 4.5% to 6.5% more capacity year-over-year. We expect fourth quarter CASM-ex to be up 5% to 7% year-over-year. This step up in sequential year-over-year CASM-ex is driven by the shift of some expenses from the third quarter to the fourth quarter and less year-over-year capacity growth. Our full-year CASM-ex guide remains unchanged, up approximately 3% versus 2022. Our current forecast for the fourth quarter assumes a fuel price of between $3.01 and $3.11 per gallon. Based on our current demand assumptions and fuel price forecast, we expect to produce an adjusted operating margin of between 2% and 4% in the fourth quarter. We continue to expect our full-year capacity to be up approximately 6.5% versus 2022. Our full-year forecast for TRASM is to be up approximately 1% year-over-year, and as I just mentioned, we expect our full-year CASM-ex to be up approximately 3% versus 2022. Our capacity, TRASM and CASM-ex expectations for the year are all consistent with the guidance we provided in January of this year. This result speaks to the planning, focus, and determination of our team. Based on our demand and fuel cost assumptions, we now expect to produce a full-year adjusted operating margin of approximately 7% and adjusted EPS of between $2.25 and $2.50. Looking ahead to 2024, we continue to expect our capacity to be up mid-single-digits year-over-year, largely driven by better overall asset utilization. Increases in capacity will be oriented to our strengths with our global partnerships complementing our own flying. In 2024, we will have the assets and resources to finally grow beyond our 2019 capacity levels, but we will be nimble and adjust capacity based on the fuel and demand environment we are operating in. We are pleased with the progress the American Airlines team has made in 2023, and we remain focused on delivering results and pursuing efficiencies to unlock additional value in 2024 and beyond. Now I'll turn it back to Robert for closing remarks.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Devin. We're incredibly proud of everything the American Airlines team has accomplished over the past 18 months. We told you we were going to focus on reliability, profitability, and strengthening our balance sheet, and we've done just that. American had a great summer and has run the most reliable operation of the U.S. network carriers over the past 15-months. We're consistently profitable and we've materially improved our balance sheet by reducing total debt by nearly $11 billion since 2021. We'll maintain that focus as we move through the fourth quarter and beyond. No matter the macroeconomic conditions we face or the variability of the operating environment, our team is intent on controlling what we can control over the short-term and setting our company up for success over the long run. I'm incredibly excited by what the future holds for American. Looking ahead, we will be much more efficient as an airline. As an example, even today, we could be flying 5% more with the aircraft we already have in our fleet. We're eager to restore regional service to the underserved smaller markets that are still feeling the effects of the pandemic. We're building back and expanding our network in an efficient manner that will lead to stronger revenue production. Our Travel Rewards Program AAdvantage has already undergone significant change that is helping us grow high margin revenue at a greater rate than GDP and we anticipate that to continue as we work to make our co-brand credit cards even more valuable to consumers and our partners. On top of all that, we continue to innovate in creating a leading retailing experience, ensuring that anything we offer our customers can be shopped, purchased, and serviced digitally. It all bodes well for American, our team members, customers, the communities we serve, and especially our investors as we enter 2024 and look to 2025 and beyond. And with that, operator, please open the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Helane Becker of TD Cowen.
Helane Becker:
Thanks very much, operator. I'm not used to getting the first question. Thanks, guys. So here's my question. As you think about your hubs, you've talked about, Sue's talked in the past about New York and LA not really being profitable. You know, Philadelphia seems to me to be a good connecting hub. It looks like you're putting a lot of international capacity in the market. So it brings up a couple of points. One is, are there enough captains to handle what you're thinking of doing around the network? Charlotte and Dallas have gotten a lot of attention. What about some of your other markets like Philly, Chicago and maybe your coastal locations?
Robert Isom:
Hey Helene, let me start and Vasu can talk to you more about exactly where we're focusing our network and if we need some real expertise, David Seymour can step in. I'll start with this, we're really pleased that we were able to enter into a new agreement with the APA and our pilots back in August. It's a deal that, well, it certainly comes with increased compensation and benefits and expense, but it also is something that puts it in a position where we can train our pilots in a much more efficient manner and more quickly. So one of the issues with getting our fleet fully back restored has been just our ability to move pilots through the schoolhouse. But right now, with some of the changes we've made in the contract, we have much more flexibility to actually grow the airline as we need. And so I don't see any issues with being able to support our fleet as we get into 2024 from a mainline perspective. On the regional side of the world, that is something that we're still working through. We've seen a lot of nice progress, but we're not fully restored. As we look into 2024, you'll see us do some things that I think that will hasten the progress to get our aircraft back up. And from a regional perspective, it's really not a pilot supply issue at this point. It's more of an issue of having first officers with the amount of time, the thousand hours that they need to graduate from right seat to left seat. And I'm encouraged by what I see on that front. So Vasu, what about -- how are we focused in the network?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, look, just building off of Robert's comments in the opening remarks, as we look forward, we think we have a lot of opportunity there. Our hubs and really all of our hubs, but especially our four of our largest and potentially highest capacity hubs in Phoenix, Dallas, Charlotte, and Miami are located near what are starting to turn out to be some of the most economically resilient markets there are. And we still have opportunity to go bring back more fleet, and we have infrastructure in those places to grow further. And as we see the future unfolding, to your point, Helene, we actually see a lot of opportunities to go and grow the performance of the coastal markets and Philadelphia and Chicago specifically in a way that's really complimentary to that.
Helane Becker:
Okay, and then just for my follow-up question on the domestic side, if I look at your numbers versus your two major competitors you seem to be decelerating. And I'm just kind of wondering if that's just a function of the size of the aircraft you're flying, not having as many premium seats, or is it just the markets that you're in? Although given what Vasu, you just said, it seems like the demand in those markets should still be pretty reasonable?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, Helene, actually it's none of the above would be the answer to the question. Look in the business of ours from one quarter to another, it's easy to draw a lot of prognostications, which probably aren't there. And as we see it right now, it's a particularly weird time. One, because so many -- so much of the U.S. airline business is still recovering their networks, and the networks that are being recovered are probably never been more divergent, never more different competitively, but also never more different than what was there three or four, certainly five years ago. And so a little bit of what you see is that. And what I would actually say is we, I'll echo the points I made and then Robert made me in the opening bit. As we look forward, actually we see a lot of opportunity. First of all, with our network, you know, as we look out there, we serve 300 cities in North America, in 200 of them, we have a network advantage. And as we bring back more of the regional jets, as we up gauge the mainline fleet, that's a real advantage for us, because so many of our competitors really won't be there. The customers in those cities are about 50% of our customer base, but they produce about 60% of our revenues. They're the ones who are signing up for the program for AAdvantage and enrolling in the card. And then the other big opportunity we have really across our enterprise, but it'll play out most notably in the domestic system, is really with AAdvantage, our travel rewards program. As we see it, our co-branded credit card is the largest co-branded credit card in circulation. Our program is one [Technical Difficulty] maybe travel programs in the business. But if you look at us, we produce probably $400 million less in frequent flyer revenue than what the industry leader does right now. So the quarter-to-quarter trends are just a function of things like the recovery. The real thing that we're seeing is the opportunity in the quarters and years ahead.
Helane Becker:
Thanks very much. Thanks, everybody.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Vernon of Bernstein.
David Vernon:
Hey, good morning guys. So Devon, can you help try to shape the cost outlook and the cadence by quarter for 2024, or at least talk to some of the headwinds out there? I know it's going to be pretty noisy just given the way the labor costs have layered in. Can you kind of help us think about 2024 CASM-ex, sort of, headwinds in relation to the higher level of CASM-ex that you're expecting now in fourth quarter?
Devon May:
Sure, and maybe I'll just start with fourth quarter performance and then we'll talk a little bit about 2024. And while we're not giving CASM guidance for the year, I can talk to you about some headwinds and tailwinds. So starting with fourth quarter of this year, as Vasu said, these numbers do shift around a little bit from quarter-to-quarter, but our full-year CASM-ex guide has been unchanged since the start of the year. And we knew at the start of the year, the fourth quarter was going to be our toughest comp. Our capacity starts to decelerate or capacity growth starts to decelerate a little bit as we entered the fourth quarter. We also had a couple of one-time credits that we got in the fourth quarter of 2022 that aren't happening for us this year. And then there was a shift of some expenses from the third quarter into the fourth quarter, adding a little bit more pressure. But we're still really pleased with our full-year result, hitting the guide or the midpoint of the guide that we had at the very start of the year. As we look out to 2024, the headwinds are where you'd expect. It's largely around salaries and benefits. We have open contracts with our flight attendants and our passenger service and reservations groups. If we are able to achieve deals that match industry leaders for those work groups, it'll add about a point of CASM pressure year-over-year. We also just have regular increases for other labor groups that are happening next year. But the tailwinds of what Robert talked about and what we're excited about actually working towards full utilization of our fleet. And this operation we've been running has been incredible for the last year, year and a half. Now we have a real opportunity to go ahead and do some optimization work around this operation. So we do have some headwinds on salaries and benefits. We have some real nice tailwinds as well into 2024, and we'll be able to provide more guidance on what CASM will look like on a January call.
David Vernon:
Okay. Thank you for that. And then, Robert or Vasu, maybe -- there's a lot of talk right now in the industry about how segmentation premium products are changing the structure of the industry, maybe to the detriment of domestic oriented or discount carriers. Can you add your thoughts on this topic here and talk a little bit about how you see American playing in this evolving structure? We didn't hear a lot about premium and any of the prepared remarks today. I'm just wondering how you guys are thinking about, you know, what some people are calling a seismic change in the industry dynamic.
Vasu Raja:
Sure, this is Vasu. I can answer that. In fact, I'd be very, very happy to answer it. Look, what we see, and we think that the real causal thing that's happening in the customer itself as opposed to a their product or cabinet service, what we've certainly seen and Robert alluded to it since 2019 advantage -- our advantage customers are really driving the revenue production of the company, and that's manifesting itself in a range of ways. So versus ‘19, our membership is up 50%. Almost two-thirds of our revenue, certainly in this last quarter, came from AAdvantage customers. And what we're finding with them is that those customers are proving to be a much more resilient pool of demand that indeed are willing to engage in behaviors that aren't just shopping for the fastest schedule or the cheapest price. We see that play out in a lot of different ways. One is premium cabin performance, where our premium fair products revenue is up 7% from AAdvantage customers, in keeping with our overall seed growth. Two, we see that remuneration on our credit cards is of about 25% from these customers. And then importantly, we find that these customers disproportionately want to shop with us directly about 85% of all the AAdvantage member revenue in the system is coming through our direct channels. So we see the causal thing, and that's why it was in our remarks, is what's really happening is for our AAdvantage members, there's a real desire to travel, and they're coming to us because they want a great network and a program that rewards them for using it, delivered reliably over and over and over again.
Robert Isom:
Hey, and David, I just want to add one thing to that. It's look, we're going to be part of and also a driver of premium revenue growth. So one of the things I think is noteworthy, our premium seeding is going to grow by 43% between now and 2026. And that's as a result of bringing on the new XLR and reconfiguring our 777 300s and actually taking a look at even some of the domestic fleet as well, where I know that we'll be adding more first-class product, or at least reconfiguring to that end. And on that same front, we're really pleased with our regional aircraft. On that front, you take a look at the E175 and they have fantastic cabins that are every bid is nice and appreciated by customers is anything we fly in the mainline side. So I look forward to participating in driving what's going to be going on in terms of premium products.
David Vernon:
All right. Thanks, guys.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Didora of Bank of America.
Andrew Didora:
Hey, good morning, everyone. Devon, maybe just digging into the 2024 costs a little bit. Given the changes in the pilot contract, I know kind of the new profit sharing now runs through the salaries and wages line. How should we think about wage growth next year in relation to kind of the single-digit capacity?
Devon May:
Hey, we'll give more guidance on 2024 as we [Technical Difficulty] salaries and benefits is an area we're going to see some pressure there. As I just mentioned, we do have this open agreement with our flight attendants and our passenger service and reservations agents that we hope to get closed and we hope to be able to match industry leading contracts there, which will drive about a point of growth. And as we get into the year, there will be some lumpiness on year-over-year comps. In the first quarter of 2023, we didn't have an accrual for our pilot agreement. So we'll see a little more cost pressure in the first quarter. But as we get into the last three quarters of the year, that cost pressure is going to ease. And then these efficiencies that we've been talking about, I think, are going to add some nice tailwinds as we go through the year. So let us get back to you in January with a little bit more detail, but that's kind of where we're seeing it right now.
Andrew Didora:
Okay. Thank you. And then [Indiscernible] Vasu maybe -- can you speak a little bit more in terms of what you're seeing on the corporate side, particularly as it relates to both kind of large and small corporates, particularly, I know you've made some pretty big changes with your corporate sales force just curious if you've seen any sort of unexpected share shifts or anything like that as we moved into this more seasonally stronger time period for corporate travel? Thanks.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Hi, thank you Andrew. It’s another question which I don't know if people might have happy to happy to address and that I'll do it in this fashion. We have made a number of changes with our selling and distribution strategy, the purpose of which is very simple. Our customers have been telling us for a very long time now that they want it so that anything that we offer them can be shopped, sold, and serviced digitally. And we've been seeing that customer sentiment for a really long time. And that's what we're out to serve. And our strategy is this simple. In order to go make that happen, we need to distribute our product exclusively through the internet. And that's what you're seeing from us. We're shifting content, bare products, schedules, things like that, out of legacy technology where we can't provide customers the kind of shopping and service experience they expect, and we're putting it through technologies that can. And on that journey, we've certainly invited all of our retailers to come along with it, but that is a different world than what was there before. And what we've seen before is really encouraging, actually. In the quarter, our total business revenues were up 2%. We actually performed better year-over-year among contracted corporations than we had in a number of months prior to it. But very importantly, our cost of sale is down 13%. So we're finding that we're able to generate more revenues through less cost of sale, which is very encouraging to us. And like I said, as we go forward, we intend to continue the momentum that we've got. We certainly invite any retailing partner to join us along the journey. And in fact, most recently, we launched a new business program called AAdvantage Business. And AAdvantage is very much the platform upon which we will build all of our commercial programs. But through that -- through AAdvantage business, companies of all sizes can access our content in a way that's cheaper, simpler, better servicing, and in a way that's more rewarding for travelers. We'll accelerate their status. So we're actually really encouraged by what we've seen, encouraged by its revenue production, and look forward to continuing the momentum.
Andrew Didora:
Great. Thanks for that.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank.
Michael Linenberg:
Hey, good morning everyone. Hey, Vasu, can I just -- I know you’ve sort of called out what the revenue for premium for AAdvantage members was up year-over-year? If I look at in its entirety what year-over-year was the gain in premium product revenue. And then when we think about sort of the split, where are you, you know, as a percent of your passenger revenue, total passenger revenue, premium versus non-premium? Even rough numbers would be fine. Thanks. Hello?
Vasu Raja:
Sorry, Mike. Shame on me. My microphone wasn't on. But I'll repeat, I'll answer the first question first. Indeed, premium cabin revenues are up across our system, about 6% to 7%.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay.
Vasu Raja:
By AAdvantage members whose revenue is up about 7%. Non-members are up about 5%. And then to your question [Technical Difficulty] about customer base. Look, one of the things that we've certainly noticed is probably more importantly than segmenting based on fair products is by the customers themselves. And so what we do is we look at customers who are buying non-premium products. Those are fairs that are not eligible for discounts, mileage earn, things like that, are lowest selling products. And we look at it for customers who are non-advantaged customers, who tend to be our most transitory customers. And we find is that transitory customers buying our lowest selling fares is about 30% of our system revenue. The other 70% is customers, who are buying premium quality fares. And that number is disproportionately weighted to advantage customers.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay, great. And then just my Second question on, you know, I saw that you're applying for -- to fly from JFK, Haneda. And I'm curious because, you know, sort of post-NEA, I got the sense that maybe you were going to be sort of maybe, I don't know if downsizing New York is the right thing, but the fact is, you know, wide bodies are scarce and for everyone. And that would take two frames. And you already have JAL in that market with the code shares. So, you know, what's the rationale behind that? Thanks for taking my questions.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Hey, thanks, Mike. And I'll answer through the lens of New York, which I know is probably on a lot of our investors' minds. And I'll answer the Haneda question as part of it. At the time pre-COVID and certainly prior to the NEA, American Airlines had a really fundamental problem in New York, which is we were losing our relevance to New York city originating customers. Every year we had declining originating share, our AAdvantage enrollments were declining year-after-year, simply because we didn't have a slot portfolio to compete with the two largest ones. And that was the reasons behind doing the NEA. Now in these last several weeks and months, what we've noticed is actually the New York originating customer has changed what they demand. Same day business trips are down a lot. There's way fewer people originating New York, who are looking to take day trips to Boston or Chicago or Detroit. But that New York city customer is much more interested in flying long haul, internationally long haul, to the west coast [Technical Difficulty] market in Florida. That's a thing that our slot portfolio is much more built to do. And in the last few weeks since the NEA has been terminated, actually what we've seen is that our originating share is stable. New York city can be the number one market in our system both for AAdvantage enrollments and for credit card signups and penetration. So we're encouraged by that and you see that. The last thing I'll mention about it is through our global partnerships we're able to offer a thing in New York which is very unique both in our TA facility and also being able to go and operate our major partners -- major complexes whether that's Heathrow or Haneda or Doha for that matter.
Michael Linenberg:
Makes sense. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Catherine O'Brien of Goldman Sachs.
Catherine O'Brien:
Hey, good morning everyone. Thanks for the time. Devon, I just wanted to dig in a bit on the cost performance to-date. You know, you came in close to a point below the low end of your 3Q range. I know you mentioned some timing shift, but you're also sticking with your prior midpoint for full-year CASM-ex despite the extra crew for pilot retro pay since you last updated that full-year cost outlook? I guess, you know, what has been going better than expected? And then can you just remind us what you had originally baked in for the open flight tenant contract in the second-half did that have any impact on 3Q? Thanks.
Robert Isom:
Hey, thanks for the question Catie. We do have it's largely timing and operational performance with higher ASMs is what benefited us in the third quarter. In our prior guidance, we didn't have anything in the third quarter for our open labor agreements outside of the pilots. We did have something in the fourth quarter and we still have something modest in the fourth quarter just given the time it would take to reach and ratify an agreement. But generally speaking, everything this year has come in very much in line with what our initial guidance was, which is why for the full-year, we're still right around that 3% number. We've seen a little bit of pressure on certain line items. We've gotten some benefits from others, but overall it's largely in line with our expectations. And like just generally speaking, we are pretty good at forecasting out expenses. And I think during the COVID years, that became a little bit more challenging. But in 2023, we feel pretty good about our ability to forecast and deliver results.
Catherine O'Brien:
That's great. Thanks for the detail. And then maybe one for Vasu. You know between the third quarter and second quarter you experienced decel in TRASM, you know, on year-over-year in 2019. I totally understand there's so many moving pieces now as the network recovers and the shape of your network has changed a bit over the years. But your fourth quarter guidance implies things will stabilize in a year-over-year basis. Can you just walk us through what's driving that stabilization? Thanks so much.
Robert Isom:
And for my clarity, you mean the quarter-to-quarter stabilization?
Catherine O'Brien:
Right, just comparing the year-over-year to each other.
Robert Isom:
Sure. I will do my best. There's a few things that are changing in our system right now between one quarter to the next that has that effect. In Q3, what we find just in terms of how we brought the network back, a lot of what we were flying were off time periods, like off peak flights. As we get into Q4, that starts to stabilize a little bit more. We regain a lot more regional supportability into the fourth quarter. And so a little bit of what you see there are just shifting year-over-year trends based on how we brought the airline back and then where the airline is oriented around flying. In the third quarter, especially in the trough seasons of August and September, there are some strange year-over-year comps where the Northeast was performing better than markets in the Sunbelt, when we get into Q4, that's when the Sunbelt and short haul MCLA starts to change. And you see that in our schedules. We have, I think, our biggest Miami operation in our history there. So a lot of what you see there is less a function of something fundamental, but some really unique quarter-to-quarter recovery trends.
Catherine O'Brien:
Great. Thanks for the time.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker of JPMorgan.
Jamie Baker:
Hey, good morning, everybody. Vasu in NEA question, you know, we're obviously tracking some of the rebalancing between JFK and Philadelphia. I see that 787 captains in Philly, that number is moving up quite a bit. Looks like JetBlue will continue to operate a portion of your slots through the end of IATA's summer season next year. I [Technical Difficulty] so part of my question is am I right on that, but more importantly I recognize networks are fluid, but when should we think about Philadelphia and New York, sort of, reaching a steady state? Is that a process that will wrap in time for next summer or should we think of the NEA unwind as lasting longer than that?
Vasu Raja:
Hey Jamie, Thanks for the question. I guess, we’ve all been around this business for a while and steady state is always a very difficult thing to prognosticate. But I will say this, the role of these hubs is quite complimentary. And we're seeing it more and more per my comments earlier, where New York is a lot of New York originating customers when it goes international. Domestic, it's a mix of New York originating, and as we call it, Spoke City, like outside of hubs originating into New York. And Philadelphia is our largest connecting complex into transatlantic. And so a lot of what you see is just, it comes back to what Robert mentioned. We're seeing actually a lot of traction in international and transatlantic, better than we have before. We're seeing it from both of these markets. For the first time since our Atlantic joint venture was created, we're pretty consistently the unit revenue leader amongst the group, which has been very unique and a long time coming. And so we think that these two hubs are very complimentary. We see it every day that they're very complimentary as we bring in the XLR that enables us to do some really unique things in both of those markets. And as we do things like improve the configuration on the 777 300 or bring in more 787 9s, that further augments that. So that's what you see and look in the world of network planning, we can move things around based on where the demand is. We'll continue to do it. There will be some of that rebalancing. And certainly as we go into next year, we do see a lot of opportunity to bulk up in Philadelphia as we get more supportability back, as the regional comes back, as we take wide body deliveries.
Jamie Baker:
Okay, fair enough. And then second question, you know, for Devon, a clarification, the $3.5 billion CapEx figures that you gave or figure that you gave before, that was aircraft only, correct? So all in, we should be dialing in something, you know, closer to $4.5 billion going forward. I'm assuming I got that right. And if so, do you expect to generate cash next year at current fuel prices?
Devon May:
Yes, so there’s two separate things. So for 2024, our total CapEx is between $3 billion and $3.3 billion. Long-term beyond 2024, you're right that the $3.5 billion number I gave was just aircraft CapEx. So for ‘24, I think our capital requirements are such that we certainly have the ability to generate free cash flow. And we're absolutely in a different position than some of our peers, just given where they are at in terms of fleet renewal program versus where we're at. We spent over $30 billion from 2014 to 2019 on our fleet renewal. Now we're in a nice spot where capital requirements are slightly less and it does give us the ability to produce free cash flow going forward like we did in this year.
Jamie Baker:
Okay, thank you very much.
Operator:
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey, thanks. Good morning. Appreciate the time. Kind of an industry question, but we'll go ahead and ask it of you. Just with respect to 4Q RASM guidance down 6.5% at the midpoint, which is actually a little bit better than what we were modeling, and the cost pressures you are outlining into next year, what needs to go right to get that unit revenue back to positive territory. I mean, the 5% growth that you're outlining, you know, may or may not be crazy relative to GDP. If we're just thinking about it year-over-year, right, 5% doesn't sound crazy. But if we think about where your margins are exiting here, the exit rate on your margins, you know, any thoughts about how we get back to positive RASM, which it appears you'll need to stabilize your margins here? Appreciate the thoughts.
Robert Isom:
Hey, thanks for the question. Look, and the answer is both very simple and consistent with the stuff we've been saying. What we get to do is, the stuff we have to do is within our control. It's bringing back our regional jet network, which creates a lot of revenue benefits for us and a lot of unique markets for our customers. And two, it's growing the revenues from AAdvantage, both through our brand of credit cards and how we go issue and enable the redemption of miles. Both of those things are tops on our plans for next year. We're excited to go and execute on that. And we see a lot of upside.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
I guess just maybe thinking sequentially, like how patient will you be with sort of breakeven-ish, negative margins? Like is that a one or two quarter phenomenon? Is it a multi-year phenomenon?
Devon May:
Hey, Vasu, I'll take this. Hey, Duane, thanks. Look, we are going to be incredibly focused on making sure that we deploy assets where we can make money. The kind of things that we're talking about and focusing on our strengths are where we see that happening. And look, I think that we, you know, to the contrary, I think we carry momentum in a lot of the work that we've done this year that that Vasu has been at the center of in terms of making sure that we have the best network and we can sell, shop sell and service it digitally, is all groundwork for next year. And so as we take a look at not only the regional network, further enhancing premium product, what we will intend to do with AAdvantage and less variable revenue. I think that all plays into a lot of strength. And on top of that, look, we're in the midst of recovery still. And so as we go from quarter-to-quarter, we know that there are things that we could have done differently, you know, over the past summer that we're going to make sure that we're addressing in terms of where we're flying and how we're doing it, but we will have very little tolerance for what you would consider, kind of, investment or development flying. We're going to fly where we make money.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
No, it's not an easy question, but I appreciate the thoughts. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Conor Cunningham of Melius Research.
Conor Cunningham:
Hi, everyone. Thanks for the time. Just your capacity has been pretty stable relative to the industry. And a lot of the constraints that we've talked about this year seem like they're going to carry forward next year if not get a little bit worse. And so, at the same time, the domestic competitors are really struggling. So I'm just curious on how you may take AAdvantage of that situation next year, if those themes continue to play out, or are you just happy with the current execution of what you're doing right now?
Robert Isom:
No, no, I'll start, Conor and Vasu can join in. Look, you know, when we talk about the kind of capacity that we are going to be putting back, we've described it over and over again. I think that, you know, first off, we've got assets that on hand today that provide some of that benefit. We're certainly going to make sure that, that gets deployed in a fashion that is productive. I do think that there are constraints out there that continue on and whether that's ATC or it's some of the supply chain, both engines and air framers, I think that, that kind of stuff is we're going to have to work through. And then on top of that, look, we're all getting through the pilot shortfalls as well. So there's ups and downs to that. But overall, you will see us, we're going to play our game. And that means find our Sunbelt hubs, strengthening the rest of our network through getting capacity back up in the air, and doing all the things that Vasu has talked about in terms of taking advantage of AAdvantage and our co-brand deals and then also modern retailing.
Conor Cunningham:
Okay and then you know you've executed you know, pretty remarkably on your plan, but your margins, maybe to Helane’s earlier question, just, you know, continue to lag Delta United and, you know, your operations been better, all that stuff, and I get it, but, you know, When you think about the opportunity ahead to close that gap, is it more a revenue equation or cost? I think historically Americans talked a little bit about the revenue gap, but it seems to be that there's more of a cost opportunity here. Just curious on your thoughts there. Thank you.
Devon May:
Hey, Conor, it's Devon. I'll take that. And certainly, this isn't something we look at a quarterly basis, but we do spend a lot of time on benchmarking. And if you want to talk about benchmarking margins, we do think it's important to look at it and look at it on a 12-month basis and the right margin to be using when you're comparing us to these other network peers, is EBITDAR, because it just takes out financing decisions, so aircraft rent versus depreciation and interest expense, and it takes out capital structure, which we just know right now, we have a difference, but that's an area we also know we're going to improve on going forward. So let's talk about that. On EBITDAR margins, I think we stack up really well with our competitors. If you look at 12 months ended third quarter, I think we're right on top of one of them and maybe there's a small gap to the other. But I think our progress versus 2019 has been really good. And the opportunity ahead is on both sides. I do think we're going to be able to produce capacity at lower unit costs going forward or at least decelerate this unit cost growth. And I do think we have top line opportunities as well. And then the only other thing I'd close on is, well, I think we're in pretty nice shape on margins. And there's opportunity ahead. When it comes to free cash flow, I think we are unique amongst our network peers with our capital requirements going forward, and we should be able to outproduce on free cash flow for most of this decade.
Robert Isom:
And Conor, I'll just underscore one more time. Please take a look at the past year. There's a lot of variability in quarters in terms of whose network is aligned to do better one to the next. And also, a lot of noise in the numbers in terms of just building back the airlines from the pandemic. We feel really confident about how we're seeing '24 especially on a competitive basis against our peers.
Conor Cunningham:
Alright. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Savi Syth of Raymond James.
Savi Syth:
Hey, good morning, everyone. I was kind of curious if you could provide a little color on the international indices. I know you mentioned in transatlantic is really strong. It seems like LatAm is a little bit weak in what that is. And along those lines, when you're talking about going into your strength, do you mean next year, kind of most of the growth will be domestic and not as much in international?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Hey Savi, this is Vasu. I can take that, and I'll take it in two parts. First, just around the world, yes, we see really strong long-haul revenue trends, regardless of the entity, long-haul Atlantic, long-haul Latin America, long-haul Pacific and as I mentioned earlier, versus any prior period of time, whether last year 2019 or really anything as far back as it goes we've seen uniquely strong revenue performance. But what we're encouraged by is that our revenue performance, though it's not where we yet wish it to be, has never grown at a faster rate than some of our international partners. And for many of them, fly into North America is the very best thing that they do. So we're encouraged by the journey we've been on we see more opportunity ahead as we do simple things. Configure airplanes smartly, get low-cost jets like the XLR. And so our future in international is one which is well within our control and very practical. It doesn't involve any great prognostications of how the world would change. And then as far as next year goes, look, a lot of our overall entity mix is largely to be similar, where we're going to be about a 70%, 75% short-haul carrier and a 20% to 25% long-haul carrier. But those areas would grow at a similar rate, which is why the mix stays on.
Savi Syth:
That's helpful. And if I might, just next year's growth should we assume a lot more kind of regional like a mix next year just as that regional entity comes back versus mainline as we kind of think through maybe what the pressures on CASM might be, but maybe the kind of the benefits to RASM?
Devon May:
Yes. It's probably a little early to get into too much detail. We do expect to build back the regional network. We're also looking at better utilization on the mainline side. So we'll give a little more detail as we get into January.
Savi Syth:
Appreciate it. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Daniel McKenzie of Seaport Global.
Daniel McKenzie:
Oh, hey. Good morning, guys. I wanted to see if I could put a bigger spotlight on the distribution strategy. So I guess, Vasu, building on the prior remarks around direct distribution, what percent of Americans revenue has now shifted to direct channels versus, say, a year ago? How big a change has that been what is it that American can do today that it couldn't do before? And then finally, if you can just help us frame what that revenue upside means, not just today, but more importantly, for those investors that invest longer term, what that revenue contribution could look like, say, three years from now?
Vasu Raja:
Hey Dan, I appreciate the question, and I'll do that be your answer sequentially, too. Look, first and foremost, like I said, we're very encouraged by the changes that we've got there, largely, because they're simply responsive to the customers. And we're retailing our product the way customers expect, which is really just through the Internet. And unsurprisingly, customers have responded. So what we saw as we were going through COVID, was already without American Airlines making any strategic changes, we went from about selling 50% direct to selling about 60% direct and right now, what we're in taking in terms of revenue is actually about 80% going through, as we call it, Internet-based distribution, of which about 70 of those 80 points is going through our true direct channels .com and app and the balance coming through new distribution technologies. In fact, our Internet-based travel agency technologies is now a bigger source of bookings than any of the legacy global distribution systems are. So we're encouraged by that, but also very clearly not that surprised. I mean customers want that experience, which is the second part of your question. The very simple benefit is through what we do, we can go and create more offers for customers that they value. We've seen this, and we continue to see this at a number of customers who come to aa.com or the app shopping for the cheapest fare that we have end up selling up, like roughly 70% of the customers who come to our websites actually come looking for the lowest fare, but buy something higher than that. And through these new tools, we can go and offer them a whole lot more that creates value for them. We can differentiate things like how they're able to redeem miles for different fare products or even they're able to earn miles for different fair products. And then the other thing that I would say is, which is we're finding to be very, very impactful. And as we shift to Internet-based distribution, our servicing becomes a whole lot simpler. So it's hard to do what three years out look like. Looks like, but I can talk about the next several weeks and quarters. And what you will see from us are things where we do much more consciously differentiate. All the content we offer will be through Internet-based technologies. We will look to do things like offering more miles for buying premium cabin for shopping through our direct channels for using our credit card. We will create more redemption opportunities for the [Technical Difficulty] but then also, what will be in place by the end of this year is that 100% of what we sell will be able to be serviced digitally but only through Internet-based technologies. That's the thing which is hugely impactful to our customers. For any of you, if you're traveling on American Airlines, I encourage you if you're making changes, please use the app to do so. I think you'll find it to be a much better experience in times past and an industry-leading one as well.
Daniel McKenzie:
Very good. Okay. Second question here for Devon. I know Robert shared that 75% of the debt is at a fixed rate. But just given the higher for longer interest rate regime today, how is that changing the way you think about the three-year balance sheet targets and goals? And can American get to an investment-grade rating at some point -- and what might a realistic time frame look like to get there?
Devon May:
Well, I'll just start with right now, our focus on the balance sheet has been really on 2025. And our stated goal is that we are going to reduce $15 billion in total debt by the end of 2025. We still expect to do that at this point. And we think if we get there, that gets us to a BB credit. Beyond 2025, we'll see where it goes. But right now, we're focused on the next couple of years.
Daniel McKenzie:
Okay. Thanks, guys.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Mary Schlangenstein of Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Hi, good morning. Thank you. I had two quick questions. First is, when do you expect to start getting the XLR? My second question is, you mentioned that domestic demand is steady, but I wanted to see if you could be more specific on that. Like how it's increasing into the fourth quarter toward the winter holidays. Also wondering if on international demand, if you've seen the level of demand that's normally like a summer peak level, has that continued past October and through the end of the year like some of the other international carriers have said?
Devon May:
Hey, it’s Devon. I'll just start on the XLR and then hand over to Sue. We expect our first XLR delivery to come late next year, and then the order stream starts to really pick up in 2025 and 2026.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. And hey Mary, I think that probably the best way to answer your question is kind of taking a long view look at it. And as we look at just overall demand in our system versus 2019, we're seeing like revenue production, which could be 15%, 20% higher than what was there before. That's across the industry, but for American Airlines specifically. So when you extract yourself from like the year-over-year, quarter-to-quarter changes, what you do see is that demand for travel is materially larger. In the airline capacity is starting to catch up to what that is, but that's our reasons for saying that we see a lot of -- we see domestic on a similar demand trend line as what's been out there, and we certainly see that as we're anticipating characteristically strong peak periods. And then as far as long-haul international goes, yes, we do continue to see strength in Q4. A lot of it is -- domestic was a marketplace that for customers opened up a lot sooner and a lot more completely and comprehensive than what many of these. Many countries outside of the U.S. did. So we're still in a period where some of that demand is coming back. And we, as many are beneficiaries of that.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Thanks a lot, Vasu. Can you just be more specific in terms of the upcoming demand domestically for the holiday period? I mean really, I don't think there's a lot of interest now in what the comparisons are to 2019. Just are you seeing higher demand going into the holidays that you normally would? Is it slower when you say steady, that doesn't give a necessarily very good impression in terms of what your holiday demand is.
Vasu Raja:
Well, look, Mary, in our holidays, we routinely have far more demand than we have seats for whether you want to compare it to 2022, 2021, 2019 or probably 2009. So we're in a place right now where actually our holidays are very lightly booked because we know any time we create more availability in the holidays, the seats go very quickly. So we are anticipating continued like year-over-year improvement in holiday performance. What we have been seeing in things like the days around the big peak periods also are stronger on a year-over-year booking basis, too. But still, we are in a place where the entire month of November is less than 40% booked for American Airlines. And that's deliberate because we're anticipating really a lot of the continued strength around peaks.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Great. Thank you very much.
Operator:
Apologies. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Alison Sider of Wall Street Journal.
Alison Sider:
Yes, thank you. I was curious if the latest spirit issues with Boeing are impacting American at all if you're expecting any kind of delays and if those will affect schedules and plans at all?
Robert Isom:
Yes. Ali, thanks for that. Look, we work closely with Boeing. And I have to tell you that the Boeing team has been really, really forthcoming and cooperative with us. Certainly, they have some issues with supply chain, and they're working with us on our order book. We probably anticipate seeing a little bit of slippage as we go into next year but it's not something that is going to have a material impact on our capacity, and we're working very closely with Boeing on that. So thanks for that question.
Alison Sider:
Thank you. And then I guess on pilots, some other airlines and unions have talked about kind of like an unusual maybe reluctance for pilots -- first off, there's upgrade the Captain, maybe more quality of life issues coming up. Are you guys seeing that at all?
Robert Isom:
I'll ask David Seymour, our Chief Operating Officer, to comment?
David Seymour:
Yes. No, I appreciate the question, Ali. I think you're probably focusing on the regional operations where there -- first off, I think probably the bigger constraint we have is them getting the hours to be able to upgrade to captain. But we're not seeing any reluctance really overall that first officers don't want to upgrade to captain.
Robert Isom:
Yes. And hey David, remind me, for same aircraft type, when we see first officers upgrading from the FO position to capital position, the compensation increases roughly 35%, 40%.
David Seymour:
That's correct, yes.
Robert Isom:
Yes. So there's a strong incentive to become a captain at American Airlines.
Alison Sider:
Thanks.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alexandra Scores of Dallas Morning News.
Alexandra Scores:
Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question, I wanted to ask about station and how that's impacting American customers? And then my second question is what you're seeing in that same vein, looking ahead to the winter travel season?
Vasu Raja:
Sorry, we didn't hear you super well in the room. Would you say emissions.
Alexandra Scores:
Inflation, sorry.
Vasu Raja:
Inflation. Got it. Okay. Yes, look, right now, I'll say this. Air as I've said on a couple of these calls, air travel remains an amazing bargain, though indeed, the price of gas or groceries or clothing or anything is up quite a lot. Air travel is not up nearly as much. In fact, I think today, in the fall, you can fly to Las Vegas for less than $50. And my guess is just about any place you go to eat, it would cost you more to eat there. So we have yet to see something where inflation is a thing that we could go point to as a causal headwind to demand.
Alexandra Scores:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Leslie Josephs of CNBC.
Leslie Josephs:
Hi, good morning. We've been seeing a lot of discounts, a lot of double-digit fares from you guys midweek anytime. Can you talk a little bit about how much have you had to discount this fall kind of coming off of the peak summer season to fill planes? And how confident are you in this breakeven guide just considering where fuel is now and whether you can drum up fair enough to cover that. Thanks.
Vasu Raja:
I'll answer the first part of it by just simply saying that we don't really comment on fare activity or sale activity for any number of reasons. But I think others can talk a little bit more about kind of margin performance.
Devon May:
Yes, our fourth quarter guide, we've done it the same way we've done for all the other quarters and throughout the year. We have confidence in our revenue guide. We provide a range on it. We have a lot of confidence in our cost guide and fuel remains volatile, but we did put a range on that as well. So as it sits today, we feel really good about what we have out there for our Q4 guy.
Leslie Josephs:
Okay. And then, I mean, I guess if you can't comment on fares, but are you losing any pricing power broadly compared with last year or even compared with competitors now?
Vasu Raja:
Well, that's probably an inadvertent way to comment on fares. And look, what we continue to see is a lot of the same overall demand trend sequentially day-to-day, week-to-week, et cetera. And as I mentioned, air travel remains an amazing bargain for customers. And customers, as we've seen for several years, are keen to travel and traveling at a greater rate than what they were in 2019.
Leslie Josephs:
Thanks.
Operator:
Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back to Robert Isom for closing remarks.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Latif, and thank you, everyone. I'll close with this. There's obviously a lot of short-term sentiment in thinking out there. And we understand why. There's a lot going on in the world today. That said, the airline business is one that absolutely requires long-term thinking as we navigate -- even as we navigate shorter-term variability. The aircraft we buy today are going to be around for 20-years plus. The leases we signed at airports and the hundreds of millions and billions of dollars that we commit to airports. Those are leases that are 10 years plus in financings that go out a lot longer than that. And even the labor contracts that we sign are multiple years, 4 and 5 years. So we have to take that into account as we look to the future. And all of us at American have worked tirelessly to set the airline up for success in the short term, yet long-term world. So as we look to 2024 and beyond, look, we have an enviable fleet. We've gone out and spent $30 billion prior to the pandemic to put ourselves in a position where we are entering into capital spending that is lasting. And we're doing it in an environment where others are facing rising interest rates and issues with suppliers. So while there's a heading the other way, we're set up for success. And we look forward to putting all of our assets back to full utilization and we know we can optimize how we're running the airline as we go forward. And all of that is why we build the best network and work with our customers to make sure that they are rewarded for using it. So we've got a great baseline, and I'm very confident in the future of travel and demand. And I can't wait to talk to you more as we go out to the next quarter 2024 about where American is headed and the story we have to tell. So thank you very much.
Operator:
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Thank you for standing by, and welcome to American Airlines Group's Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the call over to Scott Long, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Please go ahead.
Scott Long:
Thank you, Atif. Good morning, everyone and welcome to the American Airlines Group second quarter 2023 earnings conference call. On the call this morning with prepared remarks, we have our CEO, Robert Isom; and our CFO, Devon May, and a number of our other senior executives are also in the room for the Q&A session. Robert will start the call this morning with an overview of our performance. And Devon will follow with details on the second quarter and will outline our operating plans and outlook going forward. After our prepared remarks, we will open the call for analyst questions followed by questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Now before we begin today, we must state that today's call contains forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecast of capacity and fleet plans. These statements represent our predictions and expectations of future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release that was issued this morning as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2023. In addition, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release, which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information we're giving you on the call this morning is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thank you for your interest and for joining us this morning. And with that, I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Robert Isom.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. The summer is well underway, and the American Airlines team is firing on all cylinders. We continue to build on the strong foundation we have laid over the past year and remain focused on reliability, profitability, accountability and strengthening our balance sheet. That focus is showing up in our results. Everything we have said we would do at the start of the year, we have done. Our operation is performing at historically strong levels. And this morning, we reported adjusted pre-tax earnings of approximately $1.8 billion for the second quarter. These earnings were well above the high end of our latest EPS guidance range, marking our fifth consecutive quarterly profit. At the start of the recovery, we told you that returning to profitability hinged on running a reliable airline. American continues to run a strong operation in an evolving environment in which we are very well positioned because of the hard work our team has done in recent years. Our sustained profitability is tied to our leading network rewards program and operation. We have a tremendous network and we operate in a reliable and efficient way, and we reward our customers for using it. Now, let's talk more about our financial results. We produced total revenue of $14.1 billion in the second quarter, the highest quarterly revenue in our company's history. This was driven by broad-based demand across all entities with a particular strength in demand for international travel leading into the summer. Throughout the recovery, we have made structural changes to enhance our customers' travel experiences and position the airline for success. We have simplified and harmonized our fleet to create a more nimble and more flexible network that is focused on our most profitable flying. American strength is our network, which is uniquely positioned to capitalize on the demographic changes in the U.S. More people have moved to the Sunbelt region, which is where some of our largest hubs are located. DFW, Charlotte, Miami and Phoenix are very well positioned now and for the future. Our strong regional network provides service to smaller towns and connect them with our hubs across the country, and our global partnerships are a great complement to our own flying. As a result, we are able to offer customers the most comprehensive network of any U.S. carrier. We continue to adapt our offerings to our customers' evolving preferences. We are taking customers to where they want to go and meeting them where they want to do business. We are servicing more of our customers through our direct channels and driving engagement in our advantage program and credit card portfolio. Our Travel Rewards program is the largest among the U.S. network carriers, and it continues to grow. We are making terrific progress in training our pilots and improving the utilization of both our mainline and regional fleet. Our young fleet and low near-term CapEx requirements enable us to generate free cash flow to reinvest in the business and strengthen our balance sheet. Now turning to the operations. The American Airlines team has delivered strong operational results over the past year, and it continued as we achieved record second quarter completion factor. We operated nearly 0.5 million flights in the quarter with an average load factor of approximately 86%. In the second quarter, we also delivered 11 more combined zero canceled days in the same period of a year ago. The summer peak started strong with our team delivering our record Memorial Day weekend mainline completion factor while operating our largest mainline Memorial Day weekend schedule ever. The momentum has continued into July. We delivered the best Independence Day holiday operation in our history, with traffic levels we haven't seen since July of 2019. At American, we're focused on taking care of what we can control. Our purposeful approach to planning, along with our investments in our team, fleet and technology has set us up for success during the busy summer travel season and beyond. And now I'll hand it over to Devon who will share more about our second quarter results and the outlook for the remainder of the year.
Devon May:
Thank you, Robert. The focus and dedication of the American Airlines team has resulted in strong operational performance which is helping to produce solid financial results. Once again, we delivered on our guidance for the second quarter. Excluding net special items, we reported second quarter net income of $1.4 billion or adjusted earnings per diluted share of $1.92. Our strong operational performance resulted in slightly higher capacity production for the quarter and CASM ex performance better than the midpoint of our forecast. Unit revenues remained strong, resulting in an operating margin and EPS that outperformed the high end of our guidance provided in May. As Robert mentioned, American produced record revenue of $14.1 billion in the second quarter, up nearly 5% year-over-year. This revenue performance led to our highest ever adjusted operating income of $2.2 billion resulting in a second quarter adjusted operating margin of 15.4%. Unit revenue in the quarter was down just 0.5% versus a historically strong 2022 on 5.3% more capacity. Domestic unit revenue was down 1.9%, while international unit revenue was up 18.3% year-over-year. Our unit cost for the quarter, excluding net special items and fuel, was up 3.7% year-over-year. That's better than the midpoint of our initial guidance range due to slightly higher than planned capacity production driven by our strong operational performance. I want to spend a few minutes updating you on our fleet. Our young and simplified fleet differentiates American from our U.S. network peers and provides network flexibility, enhanced efficiency and an improved customer experience. These benefits are the result of the refleeting we pursued from 2014 to 2019 and accelerated during the pandemic. We are pleased we built our fleet in a low interest rate environment and at a time when the supply chain wasn't as challenged as it is today. In 2023, we expect to take delivery of 23 new mainline aircraft which are all now financed. We took 13 deliveries in the first half of the year and expect 10 more aircraft to be delivered by year-end. For our regional fleet, this quarter, we entered into agreements to purchase seven new Embraer 175 aircraft and seven used Bombardier CRJ 900 aircraft that will be delivered starting in the fourth quarter of this year. We're excited to have these aircraft into service and to further bolster our regional connectivity. Based on the latest delivery guidance from Boeing and Airbus, along with our new and used regional aircraft purchase commitments, our 2023 aircraft CapEx is now expected to be approximately $1.7 billion. Our non-aircraft CapEx is still expected to be approximately $800 million. We anticipate our 2024 total CapEx to be between $3 billion and $3.5 billion. Looking beyond 2024, we continually review our medium and long-term fleet plans. Due to the young age of our aircraft, our fleet replacement needs are very limited. Therefore, we expect aircraft CapEx for the next several years and likely through the end of the decade to average approximately $3.5 billion per year. Moving to the balance sheet. Yesterday, Fitch upgraded Americans credit rating. This is the first step towards our goal of BB credit metrics by the end of 2025, and it's nice to see our progress being recognized. We continue to maintain strong liquidity. In the second quarter, we generated operating cash flow of nearly $1.8 billion. Our adjusted net investing cash flow was approximately $550 million, resulting in quarterly free cash flow of $1.2 billion. We have produced $4.3 billion of free cash flow in the first six months of the year and expect full year free cash flow to be approximately $3 billion. We ended the second quarter with approximately $14.9 billion of total available liquidity. We continue to make progress on strengthening our balance sheet in the second quarter by reducing total debt by $387 million. This debt reduction, combined with the improvement in liquidity resulted in a decrease in net debt of approximately $955 million during the second quarter. We have now reduced total debt by approximately $9.4 billion from peak debt levels in 2021, which is significant progress towards our goal of reducing total debt by $15 billion by the end of 2025. By the end of 2023, we expect our total debt to be approximately $11 billion lower than peak debt levels in 2021. Importantly, we ended the second quarter with a net debt-to-EBITDA ratio of 3.8 times, which is lower than it was at the end of 2019. Now turning to our guidance. Bookings remain strong, and we continue to see a constructive demand environment. We saw record revenue for the 4th of July holiday period and booked load factors for the third quarter are in line with what we saw in 2022. International entities continue to lead the way in terms of year-over-year performance, and we are encouraged by domestic business demand, notably from small- and medium-sized enterprises. As the recovery continues to unfold, the strong unit revenue environment in 2022 represents an increasingly difficult comparison. As a result, we expect third quarter TRASM to be down 4.5% to 6.5% year-over-year on 5% to 7% more capacity. We expect third quarter CASM-ex to be up 2% to 4% year-over-year. Our current forecast for the third quarter assumes a fuel price of between $2.55 and $2.65 per gallon. Based on our current demand and fuel price forecast, we expect to produce and adjusted operating margin of between 8% and 10% in the third quarter and adjusted earnings per diluted share of between $0.85 and $0.95, excluding special items. For the full year, we continue to expect to produce capacity that is 5% to 8% higher than 2022. Our full year forecast for unit revenue continues to be up low single digits year-over-year. We now expect our full year CASM-ex to be up 2% to 4% versus 2022. Notably, our expectations for capacity TRASM and CASM-ex are all consistent with the initial guidance we provided on our January earnings call. That said, our estimate for full year fuel expense has changed. We now expect to pay between $2.70 and $2. 80 per gallon, a reduction from our initial guidance. The full year update further highlights the positive environment we are operating in. Based on our demand and fuel cost assumptions, we expect to produce a full year adjusted operating margin of between 8% and 10% and adjusted EPS of between $3 and $3.75. We are very proud of the progress the American Airlines team has made, but we believe there is more opportunity ahead of us. We will continue to focus on delivering in 2023 and unlocking even more value in 2024 and beyond. I'll now turn it back to Robert for closing remarks.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Devon. The American Airlines team is delivering on our commitments. We're on track to deliver on the full year guidance we provided back in January, driving earnings growth, record free cash flow, meaningful debt reduction and importantly, a strong and reliable operation. We are executing on that plan. We are reliable, profitable and making tremendous progress strengthening our balance sheet and I know that our team will continue to deliver. We're excited to share more about our long-term strategy at an Investor Day later this year on our Fort Worth campus. We look forward to updating you on the business and sharing more about our longer-term strategic priorities at that time. We're incredibly excited about the future of American and can't wait to tell you more. Operator, please open the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Jamie Baker of JPMorgan. Your question please, Jamie.
Jamie Baker:
Hi, good morning, everybody. All I heard was PMorgan but I assume that's me. So Vasu, you spoke enthusiastically last year about the EMEA. You admitted New York had been a challenge for decades. But you were finally seeing New York RASM outpaced the system. And now it appears that, that all reverses. I'll admit my earnings model doesn't model you by hub. But if it did, why shouldn't I assume New York reverts to being a meaningful margin drag from this point forward?
Vasu Raja:
Hi Jamie. Good morning, and thanks for the question. First, I would say that we don't anticipate it being a margin drag. And for full clarity, it's unfortunate the NEA is terminated. Our commitment to the customers in the Northeast and New York specific hasn't changed. However, the circumstances that gave rise to the NEA have changed. At one point in time, we struggled with really two major things. One, our slot holding didn't match with the demand on that is the majority of demand in New York was for short-haul day trip business market. Our slot portfolio is better matched Mid-Continental, Transcontinental and Transatlantic market. Well, that's changed. Short-haul business demand hasn't recovered to its historical level, but those other markets are much greater. And so that's a material change from before. But also our expense base, especially in New York Kennedy has changed. Through co-locating partners and any number of fleet changes, our employment expenses and JFK are materially advantaged to what any other carrier is in New York. So, what that means for us is that is unfortunate that customers don't get the experience of having a much broader network than what was there before. It was a practical matter for American Airlines. We very much expect preserve the continued margin trajectory that we've been on. And as we go forward, we'll certainly share more, but it's very much our plan and our intention that we continue to go see more New York City originating customers flying with us. And so far, since the NEA has been announced, we've seen that. NEA enrollments in the Advantage program continue to rise. Credit card acquisitions continue to rise, spending continues to rise. So though this chapter is closed, another one might open, but we don't expect any material change to our financial outlook.
Jamie Baker:
Okay. Very helpful. And then, Devon, on the cost side, recognizing there are lots of moving pieces in the full year CASM guide, can you tell us the last time you adjusted the labor accruals that you're assuming? And also does your full year cash flow guide include retro pay for the pilots?
Devon May:
Yes. So on the cash flow, it does include the retro pay that was part of our or that is part of our tentative agreement that we have with the pilot today. As we talked about last quarter, what we have for an accrual is, we are accruing wages that were agreed to in May as part of the agreement in principle starting on May 1, and we expect the agreement -- or hope the agreement will ratify here in August, at which time, we'll go to the new rates and the benefits associated with that tentative agreement.
Jamie Baker:
Okay. Very clear. Thank you, gentlemen.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Vernon of Bernstein. Your line is open, David.
David Vernon:
Hi. Good morning, guys. So Robert and Devon, first question for you on the guidance framework you kind of laying out for us here for the back half of the year. It does sort of imply a pretty material deceleration from your earnings level in 2Q to 3Q. And we're hearing from you guys that the demand is good. The team is executing, you're delivering on your cost performance. Can you talk a little bit about the thinking behind how you're laying out the guidance here? You just had a huge beat to your 2Q guide. You haven't missed in a couple of quarters. I'm just trying to understand like are you guys just kind of keeping the bar here where you said it in the beginning of the year, or is there something that's really kind of decelerating here in the back half?
Robert Isom:
David, thanks for the question. Look, we've set out clearly focused on producing profitability and our reliability as our operating reliability is actually really facilitated that. As we take a look at it over the course of the year, you'll see that we actually raised the midpoint of our full year guide by a quarter. It's indicative of our belief that the economy is strong, demand is strong. And for us, look, there's seasonality certainly involved. But at the same time, we're looking at this over the course of the year, and we're going to stay the course, and we feel really positive about the results that we reported and what's coming. And Devon, do you want to add anything to that?
Devon May:
No, I think same points. We started the year and set our objectives for the capacity we're going to produce, the unit costs we're going to produce it at and our earnings levels. We're really happy with what we've accomplished in the first half of the year. The guide we have in place did increase our full year EPS to [$3 to $3.75], and we feel really good about upping that number.
David Vernon:
Okay. And then maybe if you could talk a little bit about sort of the domestic outlook here in the 3Q. You've got, I think, 34% capacity growth in domestic and short-haul international -- how are fair trends kind of moving sequentially. There's a lot of concern, I think, in the market about deceleration in the domestic travel market. Can you kind of elaborate a little bit more on kind of what you're seeing and what you're embedding into the 3Q guide for domestic?
Vasu Raja:
Sure thing. This is Vasu. First, look, I'll say at large. We continue to remain encouraged by the overall level of demand we see, especially in domestic and short haul. If you look at air travel spend as a percentage of GDP, certainly retained its relationship revenue, even domestic revenue as a percentage of GDP continue to regain their former relationship to demand. But for us, it's really important to note is this recovery is continuing to unfold. And as we look out there in domestic, a lot of the sequential change that you see is really due to some pretty unique things. About a point of the 2Q to 3Q changes just due to calendar shift. And another point is due to our operational outperformance in the second quarter. Everything else is really a return to normal seasonality. As far as a deceleration of demand or things like that, we don't yet see it now. And in fact, when you look at it for us, like versus 2019 or some base where you lose just the strange comparisons to how recoveries have unfolded. For us, as we get into the fall, and we will be flying an airline has a date in the 2019 airline but producing short-haul RASMs that are 15% to 20% higher. There's still -- we're still in a world where demand is very strong. The year-over-year comps are a little bit strange, owing more to just the vagaries of the recovery than anything underlying the business.
David Vernon:
All right. Thank you for that.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Scott Group of Wolfe Research. Your question please, Scott?
Scott Group:
Hi. Thanks. Good morning. Sorry, I lost my voice. But hopefully, you can hear me. I just want to go back to the third quarter guide. So we've just never seen margins go from 15% to 8% to 10%, down 5 to 7 points from Q2 to Q3 -- just any more color to help us think about what's driving that?
Robert Isom:
Hi Scott. Again, I'll tack on to both Vasu's comments and Devon's as well. We're looking at our results over the course of the year. The recovery, as we've seen it has been not exactly smooth on a quarter-to-quarter comparison basis. As we take a look at the year, you can depend on us to produce those results. We're really proud of those. And it's indicated by us, again, moving our EPS guide up as we did this morning.
Scott Group:
Okay. And then just to clarify, is there -- are we assuming any earnings impact from losing the NEA, which I know it sounds like you don't think we go back to where we were. But -- is there any earnings impact going forward from losing NEA?
Robert Isom:
Scott, we're not anticipating any earnings impact.
Scott Group:
Okay. Great. All right. Thank you, guys.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Conor Cunningham of Melius Research. Your line is open, Conor.
Conor Cunningham:
Hi, everyone. Thank you for the time. Not a lot of talk on blended travelers or blended itineraries this quarter. Just curious on -- is that just because it's in your base now? And maybe you could just level set us on how you're thinking about large corporate in the back half of 2023. Thank you.
Vasu Raja:
Hi. This is Vasu and thanks for the question. And you're exactly right. It's less of a novelty now. This is just part of our base, how the business runs for several quarters now. We've seen a mix of 35% leisure style travel, 35% blended style travel, 30% stuff. And furthermore, within the 30% business, there's roughly a 2:1 split between unmanaged travel and managed travel that's there. That's been pretty consistent for several quarters now. It looks to be pretty consistent going into the future. Certainly, that's what our forward book says. So, that's why no commentary. This is actually how the business operates now.
Conor Cunningham:
And just where you're thinking about corporate, sorry?
Vasu Raja:
Look, we've seen corporate -- first of all, I'll clarify this. When we talk about business, we talk about people on business style trips. And within that, there's two groups, there's individuals and companies that fly and they don't manage or buy their travel centrally, and then there's large corporations that tend to man it by their travel centrally. We've seen that those customers who were managed, they buy their travel centrally has -- it's recovered to 80% of historical levels. And that's been pretty much plateaued for several quarters now. However, unmanaged demand continues to grow in our system. And indeed, total business revenues have really regained their 2019 composition in the system. So we remain encouraged on business demand. Should things change, we're prepared to go and adjust accordingly. But no forward change to outlook is any different than the stuff we've been experiencing.
Conor Cunningham:
Okay. And then just on the competitive environment in the domestic market, the ULCCs and LCCs have been ramp in capacity in the back half and a lot of that's hit in your hubs. I'm just curious on how you view the competitive landscape right now as you think about the back half of 2023. Thank you.
Vasu Raja:
Hi, thank you. And look, we actually view the competitive landscape very favorably. Our network proposition to our customers is creating more origin and destination markets and more unique origin and destination markets than any other airline network. And we have done that really well. We continue to do that really well. That's really been the financial progress that that we've seen. And to Robert's comments with roughly 70% of the airline network is located in the Sunbelt in our Latin America network and London Heathrow are in places where we really deliver a lot of outsized value for customers. And there, while we do see competitors come in, we remain encouraged. Take any number of those markets in our short-haul Latin American markets. We've seen something like 20%, 25% industry capacity growth, but the trends are favorable enough where this fall and winter will fly our largest schedule there, not because we're out to chase market share, but because of the marginal performance of those rates.
Conor Cunningham:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Helane Becker of TD Cowen. Your question please, Helane.
Helane Becker:
Thanks very much. So, hi, team. Thanks for the time. Robert, I thought I heard you say on CNBC this morning that you're meeting with your pilots to talk about matching the United contract. Did I hear that correctly, A? And B, do you have to let them vote and reject the contract that they're voting on now? Or can you adjust it and they vote on any changes you might want to make?
Robert Isom:
Hi Helane, thanks for the question. Look, in terms of how we actually are able to deliver to our products, that's going to be something that we have to work on with them, and we're in discussions with APA -- right now, as a matter of fact. What I said this morning is something I'm really proud of and that we're committed to. Look, we're going to match the wages that United is proposing. We've got to sit down with to figure out whether or not that is something that they can fit into their the TA that can still be voted on a timely basis or if it's something that's going to take more time to figure out. But we're committed to matching those wages.
Helane Becker:
Okay. Thanks for that clarification. And then just shifting gears for a minute. You guys have been delivering a really great operation for the past, I don't know, at least three quarters, right, as somebody who's shifted from New York to Philadelphia. I can see it in my flying. And I'm just kind of wondering, are you seeing that also in your Net Promoter Scores? Can you talk about what customers are seeing? And are you seeing any share shift from any of your competitors to yourselves?
Robert Isom:
Well, Helane, thanks for bringing it up. We're really proud of the work that we've done over the last year. It's just a tremendous and relentless focus. It's led by David Seymour, our Chief Operating Officer. And every day, our team is out there, including today, in this ridiculous heat and weather, they're just performing. We've done everything from training to adding new knowledge. And when things go awry, we have been really quick to make sure that we have the tools necessary to put things back in place, whether that be aircraft or our crews. And that's going to continue. I anticipate that we're going to get better and better. Of course, that translates into likelihood to recommend scores and Net Promoter Scores that are the best that we have ever seen. And I have great confidence that, that is something that will continue to play out. That relationship between reliability and what customers really want is super evident.
Helane Becker:
That’s really helpful. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brandon Oglenski of Barclays. Your question please. Brandon.
Brandon Oglenski:
Good morning and thanks for taking my question. Vasu, I want to come back to the unwind of the NEA because it does look like you have quite a bit of international capacity you've added at JFK, but not a lot of domestic connectivity on your own network. And I think JetBlue was part of that answer historically. So, can you talk to what the long-haul strategy looks like out of JFK going forward?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Thanks for the question, Brandon. Look, there were really two issues that we had in New York. One was the amount of connectivity support that we had for our long-haul and the other was just the huge expenses we had operating out of New York Kennedy. As I mentioned earlier, we've done a lot of things to go and reduce our expense base to where, it's not just more in line with our other low-cost hubs that's materially lower than what any other operator has in New York City. But also -- and this is meaningful to it. Look, the NEA was a great outcome for customers who got to go and experience our product who weren't there before. But actually, when you look at those international flights, roughly, as things have settled out and markets recover, roughly 35 to 40 points of the load factor that's on them is actually being generated by our international partners. Our partnership within the NEA was actually a very small amount of the onboard load factor that's there. That's why when we couple both the expense reduction that's there and some changes that we can make ourselves, we believe that we can go and really replace a lot of the demand, especially now that we've got such a larger New York City originating customer base than what we had before.
Brandon Oglenski:
I appreciate that response. And I guess maybe a quick one for Devon, because I think you mentioned aircraft purchases out in the future could be around $3 billion to $3.5 billion annually, if I heard it correctly. Do you think strategically, that's the right level of reinvestment in the business, especially given that some of your competitors might be spending a bit more than that?
Devon May:
Hi Brandon. Yes, so the comment was we think we'll have somewhere around $3.5 billion on average of aircraft capital beyond 2024 and probably for a good part of the decade. And where we are different than our competitors is we don't have any fleet replacement needs between now and the end of the decade. So when we are investing in an aircraft that is an investment to grow the network and to grow the airline. What you're seeing from some of our other competitors who just have older airplanes, there's a lot of fleet replacement CapEx required for them. And again, for us, it is just growth aircraft requirements.
Brandon Oglenski:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI. Your question please, Duane.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hi, good morning. I'm really tempted to ask another NEA wind-down question, but we'll leave that for off-line. Maybe just on fleet. Where do you think your biggest gap or constraint is at the moment? Like where do you wish you could be bigger today? And can you talk a little bit about -- I think you mentioned some regional fleet adds. What are the kind of staffing circumstances you see that are allowing you to invest there?
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Duane. Just a couple of things. Look, I think as you take a look at the industry and especially our needs at American, we're going to need larger narrow-bodies in a number of places. It just fits with how our hub structure works and all the kind of things that Vasu wants to do. I would add to that, though, that probably our biggest and most interesting opportunity right away. It's getting our regional fleet fully back up in the air. And the those aircraft only further our commercial proposition by adding more small markets to what is a great hub and spoke system already. So as we take a look out into the future, you'll see us make sure that we protect ourselves and that we are able to not only replace an upgauge from a narrow body perspective but also have an eye to be able to grow at a rate appropriate for demand levels.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thanks. And then just for my follow-up, could you just remind us maybe some of the differences in your transatlantic geography versus peers? And maybe it's too fine of a point, but could you contrast kind of your Southern Europe exposure relative to Delta and United? Thanks for taking the questions.
Robert Isom:
Thanks for asking them. Look, and for us, so much of our trans-Atlantic and I'll just speak to the European content at this point, not other things that sometimes get lumped into reporting such as Middle East or India. But for us, a lot of our concentration is, first and foremost, in London, probably much more so than what other airlines are. And that which is in Southern Europe is really heavily season style flying or as we call it large areas the large capital market things like Rome and Athens, Barcelona and Madrid. So we've done a lot over the last several years to actually further to Devon's earlier point, to really restructure our international network. We used to fly a lot of really marginal flights to really marginal markets, and they work for three months of the year and we had nothing to do with the airplane for the other nine months of the year. So we've used the last three years to go and rebuild the foundation, bottom 5% of our capacity is gone fleet that goes with it is gone and the losses that we took from it are gone. And so now what we're building back to Devon's point, of just moderate growth is adding things that really make sense and are a good use of full year aircraft capital.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Didora of Bank of America. Your question please, Andrew.
Andrew Didora:
Hi, good morning, everyone. First question, Devon, I just wanted to make sure I was clear in terms of what is in your CASM outlook for this year. Does it just include the step-up in pay rates beginning May 1 from the TA? Or do you also factor in a step-up in profit share and work rules? Just want to be clear on what's included there.
Devon May:
Yes. So right now, what's included in our guide is Pay rates from May 1 through the end of July. And then starting in August, we hope to have ratification of the tentative agreement. And at that point, we'll have pay rates and all the benefits that go along with it, including the higher profit sharing.
Andrew Didora:
Got it. And then Robert, I know it's early on, but just when you think about 2024, any initial thoughts on how you're thinking about capacity and the way you kind of -- the continued build-out of both your domestic and international networks. Just curious which entity you think could -- between domestic and international could be growing the most next year and just how you think about growth. Thank you.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Andrew. Right now, it's -- we're in the planning stages. But what I'd tell you is that based on the kind of fleet that we have, we would have anticipated mid-single-digit growth for next year. Now, there's a lot of dependencies on that. So first off, we have to be able to get our regional fleet back up fully, and that requires pilots. We've -- to be able to achieve that kind of level of flying we would have to also get a little bit more out of the aircraft we have in terms of utilization as a whole. And the final thing is we're dependent on the airframe manufacturers to actually deliver. They're getting better. Their track record hasn't been great. So we'll see how that shakes out. And if it all comes to fruition, that's probably a pretty good guess at this point.
Andrew Didora:
Got it. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open, Michael.
Michael Linenberg:
Hi, good morning, everyone and congrats on the 2-notch upgrade from Fitch. I guess two questions here. I guess, Vasu, just with the rollout of your new distribution strategy, any early learnings direct versus indirect. I sort of caught the two to one, unmanaged versus managed on your corporate piece. I think if we go back historically, they were probably more evenly divided. So it seems like there's a bit of a shift there. Whatever you can tell us. Thanks, and then I have a follow-up.
Vasu Raja:
Hi. Thanks Mike. It's an excellent question. I was wondering when it might be asked. Look, first of all, all of our selling and distribution changes are done with a really simple lens, really which Robert talked about in his opening remarks. We want to make it as easy as possible for our best customers to be able to shop by and self-service their experience with American Airlines. And everything has been oriented around that. It has indeed been very eye-opening and has performed probably above what our expectations are. The simplest way to it is like this. If you take all of our customers, the actual human, you can divide them into two groups, those who are not members of the AAdvantage program and those who are members of the AAdvantage program. In the quarter, for those customers who are not numbers of the AAdvantage program, indeed, their total travel bell 5%, but revenue from that cohort grew by 5%. Amongst the customers who are advantaged customers, we actually grew their transactions by 8% and their revenues by 13%. That is certainly above what we had expected, but also what we're really encouraged by our three things
Michael Linenberg:
Great. Awesome response. And then just my second question, I guess, is to you as well, when I sort of look at it in the forward schedules, it does look like even up to summer of next year, that JetBlue is still maintaining a significant presence in LaGuardia. And so presumably, you will still continue to lease those slots to them and maybe maintain a smaller presence in LaGuardia than what you had pre-NEA? Or is that just -- are those placeholder schedules and that's TBD. Thanks for answering my question.
Robert Isom:
Yes, Mike. A lot of that is TBD right now. And in fact, Priya Aiyar is here our General Counsel. We're still in a process of determining how to wind down the NEA most notably how we transfer back all of the slots to American Airlines as soon as we can.
Michael Linenberg:
Great. Very good. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now move to media questions and answers. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Alison Sider of Wall Street Journal. Your question, please Alison.
Alison Sider:
Hi. Thanks so much. Do you have a sense yet of how much more costly the pilot deal could be if you have to go back and boost the pay rates and other adjustments to match the United deal?
Robert Isom:
I'm looking at Devon. We're working on that right now. Look, one of the things I do know is that in our TA, there was significant quality of life and compensation improvements. The vast majority are very close to what United has supposedly in their TA. And while there may be some adjustments that would be required for wages, it's not an indoor amount. Devon, do you have any idea on that?
Devon May:
Yes. We're working through the numbers right now. Obviously, the wages are close, but a couple of percent higher than what we have in our tenant agreement. And we're trying to get more detail on other items that we think might be material. But what we have with our attentive agreement is really significant improvements for our pilots. And as Robert mentioned earlier, the wages is some we're focused on right now to see if we can work with the APA to get some done where we match what United or for.
Alison Sider:
Great. Thanks. And I guess, Robert, you talked a little bit about this earlier this morning, but just curious if there's any kind of impact you're seeing from this crazy heat we're seeing in parts of the country, if that requires any operational changes or different ways of thinking about things for crew and for customers and how you're dealing with that?
Robert Isom:
So, hi Ali, and I have David Seymour here to help me. Look, the heat that we're facing this year in the country, I mean, these are records, and it is something that impacts certainly, the aircraft, any machinery, they're more like they're great and run harder and longer. And it's also really hard on our people. Fortunately, we have great experience in dealing with hot weather hubs, places like Phoenix in Miami and even DFW and Charlotte as well. So we're employing all those practices that we put in place. We're just having to use them more often and longer throughout the year. I'll give just a couple of examples of things that we've done on a precautionary basis just because of the trends that we've seen. We put a heck of lot more work into making sure that we're prepared for the summer on things like conditioned air at our jet bridges. So as soon as an aircraft pulls up to a gate, we want to make sure that we can get air to those aircraft to keep them as cool as possible. Our APUs, those little engines that are able to power all the systems when the big engines are off. Those are things that are prone to break during times like right now, but we're seeing really good results because of the preventative work that our maintenance team has done. And you'll see us as well, whether it's making sure that we only board when aircraft are have air conditioning that is appropriate or out on the ramp with our team members, making sure that they get a break from the sun and the heat that there are things like ice carts and electrolyte drinks available to our team members, we're really taking this seriously, and we're going to have to as we go forward.
Alison Sider:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mary Schlangenstein of Bloomberg News. Your question please, Mary?
Mary Schlangenstein:
Hi. Good morning. I had just two quick questions. Vasu, on the LaGuardia slots, are you prohibited from leasing those slots to JetBlue for just their own use for their own flight? So do you have to take those slots back? You can't lease them to them under any circumstances. And my second question is on the pilot talks, are you reopening the whole contract to discussion? Or are you limiting it to changes in pay?
Vasu Raja:
So I'll handle the -- I can handle both. First off, in regard to anything that relates to slots or gates or routes or things like that. Look, we're going to figure that out over time. So I'll leave it at that. And then in regard to our pilots, as I mentioned, we're sitting down with our pilots. We have a real interest in making sure that they're taking care of. That's been how we viewed all discussions. And so, we'll see how that goes. My hope is that we can get something done pretty quickly. And no matter what, over the long run, we're going to make sure that our pilots are taking care of.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Leslie Josephs of CNBC. Please go ahead, Leslie.
Leslie Josephs:
Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Just on the pilot contract. I just want to make sure that I understand correctly, you are committing to matching the United rates. I just want to make sure we're clear on that. And then just a second question on buy-ups to premium cabins. We didn't hear a ton of that from you guys. And just kind of curious what you're seeing, especially for premium leisure and international -- are you seeing higher paid loads in premium economy and then in business class. Thank you
Robert Isom:
I'll handle the first one, Leslie, and Vasu can handle the second one. Just, look, again, in regard to your question, we're working with the APA and our pilots -- our intent is to match the wages that we're aware of in the tentative agreement that United has signed.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. And Leslie, we do -- we've noted it all through the recovery, but we've continued to see strength in premium cabin style fares. Our total premium seats across the system are up about 5% year-over-year. Our total premium revenues were up about 15% year-over-year. And notably, it's pretty consistent across all of our markets in London, for example. We've grown our premium seats about 20% or so. Our premium revenues are up over 25%. And that's at a time when so much of the industry is adding back into London. But we are encouraged, and we're uniquely encouraged by the trajectory that we're on different from others. For the first time in our history, our unit revenue performance in Trans-Atlantic will outperform any of our joint venture partners, both for the quarter and for the full year. So we do see that strength. It's complemented by our distribution strategies, and we see more opportunity ahead.
Leslie Josephs:
And just one quick follow-up. When you get out of the summer season, are you seeing any kind of falloff in either fares or bookings with the TRASM coming down and then the inflation report showing that airfares are coming down in the U.S.
Vasu Raja:
Nothing beyond historical seasonality, Leslie.
Leslie Josephs:
Thanks.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Koenig of The Associated Press. Your question, please David?
David Koenig:
Okay. Thanks. I didn't hear my name. I guess it's me. Robert, you've talked about matching the United deal, which APA had valued their previous TA at 8.3 billion, and this is going to add a couple of percentage points. Do you plan or do you need to raise fares to cover the contracts with the APA, the APA or other contracts and still remain profitable, should people expect higher fares?
Robert Isom:
David, thanks for the question. Look, over time, we're going to run a profitable business. So we have to offer a really compelling product offering to our customers. We're going to try to find ways to make sure that we can do that in a way that customers will benefit and ultimately, it will take more revenue to pay for higher cost going to do everything that we can to be as efficient as possible take care of our team members, but also offer a very compelling and worthwhile product to our customers.
David Koenig:
Okay Any other areas for revenue besides fares?
Robert Isom:
None beyond what we've already spoken about in the call.
David Koenig:
Sure. Thanks.
Robert Isom:
We're really proud of our incredible network that we're flying reliably, and we've got an industry-leading rewards program. We're going to tap into those and make sure that customers are really able to benefit from everything that we can do on that front.
David Koenig:
All right. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. That concludes the Q&A portion of this call. I would now like to turn the conference back to Robert Isom for closing remarks. Sir?
Robert Isom:
Hey Atif, thanks so much. And I'll just close out this way. Look, you can continue to hold us accountable for relentless focus on reliability, profitability and strengthening our balance sheet. And I'll just point to the second quarter results. In terms of reliability, no one has been better than American Airlines over the last year. In terms of profitability, this second quarter beat of all analyst expectations is just proof that our commercial offerings are really registering with our customers. You run reliably, you produce profits, you can strengthen your balance sheet. This 2-notch upgrade from Fitch today is, again, indicative that we're doing the right things, and we would anticipate further strengthening on that front. All of it together, this outstanding second quarter for us is proof positive that our efforts are working. We're going to get back at it. Thank you very much.
Operator:
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Thank you for standing by, and welcome to American Airlines Group's First Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions. I would now like to hand the call over to Scott Long, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Please go ahead.
Scott Long:
Thank you, Atif. And good morning, everyone. Welcome to the American Airlines Group first quarter 2023 earnings conference call. On the call this morning with prepared remarks, we have our CEO, Robert Isom, our CFO, Devon May, and a number of our other senior executives are also in the room for the Q&A session. Robert is going to start the call this morning with an overview of our performance and Devon's will follow with details on the first quarter and we'll outline our operating plans and outlook going forward. After our prepared remarks, we'll open the call for analyst questions, followed by questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. And before we begin today, we must state that today's call contains forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecast of capacity and fleet plans. These statements represent our predictions and expectations of future events. The numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release that was issued this morning as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2023. In addition, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release, which can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information we're giving you on the call this morning is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thank you for your interest and joining us this morning. And with that, I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Robert Isom.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Scott. Good morning, everyone. American is off to a fantastic start in 2023. This year, we remain focused on reliability, profitability, strengthening our balance sheet and holding ourselves accountable along the way. This morning, American reported a first quarter profit for the first time in four years, an improvement of almost $2 billion versus the first quarter of 2022. Our performance in the first quarter was driven by continued strength and demand and the tremendous work of our team. American entered the year in a position of strength after the outstanding results our team delivered in 2022 and we built on that momentum in the first quarter. The American Airlines team ran a reliable operation for our customers and delivered profit for the quarter, beating our initial EPS guidance of approximately breakeven. Let's talk more about our first quarter results. We produced record first quarter revenues of nearly $12.2 billion, an increase of 37% versus 2022 on 9.2% more capacity year-over-year. Demand for our product remains strong. We continue to be very pleased with our domestic and short haul international unit revenue performance. We've also seen noticeable strength in long haul international demand, though we have allocated approximately 80% of our second quarter capacity growth year-over-year and continue to see strong yield performance carrying into the summer months. Demand for our premium cabin has been remarkable across all entities, with premium paid load factor and RASM exceeding 2019 levels. We're well on our way to a fully recovered business but we aren't there yet. The recovery is still unfolding and the current demand environment remains dynamic. We continue to learn about evolving customer preferences and changing demand patterns, and we spent the past three years building a resilient airline that can adjust to the variability in demand. We remain nimble and continue to adapt to customer behaviors, both in terms of when and where customers book travel and how we service them. Importantly, customers continue to show preference for our direct channels and travel rewards program. Our co-brand growth continues to outperform consumer spending, in line with AAdvantage enrollment, which are now approximately 60% higher than 2019 on capacity that has not yet fully restored to 2019 levels. The American Airlines co-brand portfolio is delivering the fastest growth since the inception of our current agreements with double-digit growth in sales versus the first quarter of 2022. Now let's turn to the operation. The American Airlines team delivered a stellar performance in the first quarter. We operated more than 476,000 flights in the quarter with an average load factor of 80%. We delivered our best ever first quarter completion factor and controllable completion factor, safely completing more flights and more on-time flights than anyone in the industry. We're performing better than ever from an operational perspective. We delivered this strong performance in the first quarter despite the nationwide ground stop in mid-January due to the NOTAM outage and several disruptive weather events that impacted our hubs across the country. Our largest hub, DFW, was greatly impacted by winter storms in January and February, and tornadoes and severe thunderstorms in March. Our strong operational performance is driven by our team's focus on running a safe and reliable airline and taking care of what we can control. Investments in our operation have enabled us to anticipate the operating conditions ahead of us and recover quickly when the unexpected happens. And we'll continue to invest in our team, fleet and technology, so that we're well prepared heading into the summer and the rest of the year. I also want to thank and acknowledge the DoT and the FAA for their efforts to reduce congestion in New York, which will certainly help the industry deliver more reliably for customers this summer. And now over to Devon to share more about our first quarter results and the outlook for the second quarter.
Devon May :
Thank you, Robert. I'm tremendously proud of what the American Airlines team accomplished during the first quarter. As Robert mentioned, we ran a great operation and delivered on our financial guidance for the quarter, keeping us on track with the full year plan we outlined in January. During the first quarter, excluding net special items, we reported net income of $33 million or adjusted earnings per diluted share of $0.05. This result is better than the initial guidance we provided in January, driven by strong revenue production and slightly lower fuel expense during the quarter. As Robert mentioned, we produced record first quarter revenue of $12.2 billion, up 37% year-over-year. Unit revenue was 25.4% higher in the quarter on 9.2% more capacity. Unit costs for the quarter excluding net special items and fuel were 1.4% lower year-over-year, in line with the midpoint of our initial guidance range. We generated adjusted operating income in the quarter of $451 million, resulting in a first quarter adjusted operating margin of 3.7%. We have made significant investments in our fleet over the past decade and these investments are paying off. The re-fleeting of the airlines and the reconfiguration of our narrowbody interiors have greatly improved the customer experience, simplified our mainline fleet from eight aircraft size to four, and aligned our narrowbody density with our network competitors. American continues to operate the simplest and youngest fleet among US network carriers. We continue to expect to reactivate nine 737s from long-term storage and take delivery of 23 new aircraft in 2023. We took three deliveries in the first quarter and expect nine in the second quarter, five in the third quarter and six in the fourth quarter. 13 of the deliveries are already financed and we expect to finalize financing agreement for the remaining 10 this quarter. Based on the latest delivery guidance from Boeing and Airbus, our 2023 aircraft CapEx is expected to be approximately $1.5 billion and non-aircraft CapEx is expected to be approximately $800 million. In the first quarter, we generated operating cash flow of $3.3 billion. Our adjusted net investing cash flows were $317 million, resulting in record quarterly free cash flow generation of $3 billion. We ended the quarter with $14.4 billion of total available liquidity, $2.4 billion more than our year-end 2022 liquidity balance, driven by booking strength and ATL growth in the quarter. We continue to make progress on strengthening our balance sheet, reducing total debt by more than $850 million in the quarter. This debt reduction, combined with the improvement in liquidity, resulted in a $3.4 billion decrease in net debt during the first quarter. We now have reduced total debt by more than $9 billion from peak debt levels in mid-2021. Importantly, we ended the first quarter with a net debt to EBITDA ratio of 4.5 times, which is lower than our net debt to EBITDA ratio at the end of 2019. By the end of 2023, we continue to expect our total debt to be $10 billion to $11 billion lower than peak debt levels in mid-2021, and we remain committed to our goal of reducing total debt by $15 billion by the end of 2025. Additionally, a constructive financing environment in February allowed us to proactively refinance the 2025 maturity, our $1.75 billion term loan primarily collateralized by our South American portfolio of slots, gates and routes. The refinancing transaction efficiently derisked our 2025 debt maturity tower by nearly 20%. We will continue to balance debt reduction opportunities and investments in the business, while meeting appropriate liquidity levels. We continue to see a constructive demand environment in the second quarter and summer and bookings remain strong. Revenue intakes in the past month are well ahead of the same booking period in 2019, including robust international bookings as customers returned to long haul international travel this summer. Compared to the historically strong unit revenue we produced in 2022, we expect second quarter TRASM to be down 2% to 4% year-over-year on 3.5% to 5% more capacity. We expect second quarter CASMx to be up 3.5% to 5.5% year-over-year. This projection includes the impact of an anticipated pilots agreement. We continue to expect the full year impact of all anticipated labor agreements to be approximately 3 points of CASMx. Our current forecast for the second quarter assumes a fuel price of between $2.65 and $2.75 per gallon, which is $1.30 per gallon lower year-over-year. We expect to produce an operating margin of between 11% and 13% in the second quarter based on our current demand and fuel price forecast. Excluding special items, we expect to produce earnings of between $1.20 and $1.40 per diluted share in the second quarter. These strong results keep us on track to execute on our full year earnings guidance of between $2.50 and $3.50 per diluted share. Now, I'd like to hand it back to Robert for further remarks.
Robert Isom :
Thanks, Devon. And to close, I'd like to take just a few minutes to highlight why I'm so excited about the future of the industry and the future of American Airlines, in particular. Our industry has been through the biggest crisis in its history and is now on the other side. Airlines have navigated a lot over the last few years. Concerns about the economy and demand recovery, the banking crisis, the interest rate environment, supply chain issues, and yet here we are. The industry is in an excellent position and benefiting not only from the recovery involving travel patterns, but also from consumers' changing preference of experiences, over hard goods. And I'd like to underscore, we see a strong demand environment this summer, and we're highly confident that that will continue going forward. If there's one thing that the pandemic has taught us, it's that people innately desire to travel. And at American, the actions that we've taken in recent years are producing returns. We've simplified and harmonized our fleet to provide more flexibility to our network, which is nimbler and more focused on our most profitable flying. And our Sunbelt hubs are uniquely positioned to take advantage of demographic changes going on in the US right now. We've got partnerships that are a great complement to our network, enable us to provide even more unique O&Ds to our customers. Our fleet, which is younger than our network peers, has [ph] low CapEx requirements in the near term, enabling us to generate free cash flow that can be used to reinvest in the business and strengthen our balance sheet. We've also made investments to modernize our facilities and introduce new technology throughout the airline. These initiatives are producing the results that we had hoped for. And we have a number of opportunities in front of us to deliver even more value. We're making terrific progress training pilots, getting our regional fleet back up in the air and getting more out of our mainline fleet as well. That means that there is real and significant upside in terms of the utilization of our existing assets. We're also very encouraged by our operational focus, and our ability to grow the airline efficiently, all while completing more flights on schedule, generating more revenue and reducing costs. On the commercial side, we're building on our premier loyalty program, and the changes we have made are having a real impact on how customers are spending and engaging with us. There's even more we'll do in the coming years to grow AAdvantage and our co-brand offerings. We're meeting our customers where they want to do business and bringing more people into our direction channel. We'll continue to adapt our offerings based on evolving customer preferences. Finally, we are driving a technology first mindset at American, not only with existing processes, but also with the introduction of new tools for our customers and team. We look forward to sharing more on all of this as the year progresses. Looking ahead, we feel great about the industry and what's to come for American. The actions that we have taken have put us in a position of strength that have allowed us to capitalize on the recovery. We'll continue to hold ourselves accountable to produce stronger margins, generate free cash flow, strengthen our balance sheet and run a reliable operation, ultimately creating more value for our customers and shareholders. And with that, operator, please open the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions]. First question comes from the line of David Vernon of Bernstein.
David Vernon:
Robert, I wonder if you could talk a little bit about inter quarter trends and how second quarter sort of is shaping up from a booking perspective. I think investors have been very sensitive to potential sort of disruptions or changes in maybe business travel trends kind of as we've gone through the banking crisis here. I'm wondering if you could just kind of give us a sense for what you're seeing day to day in the booking curve and how that is impacting your confidence and the outlook for summer travel.
Robert Isom:
I'm going to send that straight to Vasu.
Vasu Raja:
Look, we remain encouraged by the demand environment that's out there. We see strong booking strength really across the airline network. International, of course, long haul international is seeing a lot more bookings come in a lot sooner, really reflecting the pent up demand that's been there in many markets. And they really haven't been open for the better part of four years. Domestically, we continue to see historically strong booking and indeed a resumption of a lot of – a lot more people booking further in advance than what they did last year. Certainly, more people willing to go and shift from a peak time flight to a trough time flight, which reflects changes in work schedules through the week. But by and large, we remain encouraged by what we see out there. And I'll add to that too that, consistent with a lot of the trends that we've seen in past quarters, we continue to see a shift from a traditional business style trip to more blended trips and more discretionary trips. In Q1, about 30%, 35% of our volume was leisure, discretionary based trips, 35% blended trips, and 30% business trips. That compares to first quarter 2019 where it was more like 30% leisure, 30% blended, 40% business. But we remain encouraged by it. Though we're seeing that shift, we find that very often, the blended yields that we see are coming in at values that are 8% to 10% higher than the very traditional business trips that they replace. So we remain encouraged and see a lot of the same trends we've been talking about for the last few quarters.
David Vernon:
Devon, could I could I ask you to talk a little bit about the maturities coming up in the next couple of years on the debt stack? You mentioned you're going to be paying down around $2 billion of debt this year. How should we be looking from a liquidity perspective at the end of 2023 based on the guidance? And how does that compare to the maturities in kind of a two to three year timeframe?
Devon May:
To start this year, we talked about our total debt paid down being at approximately $10 billion to $11 billion from our peak levels of summer of 2021. For this year, we expect total debt to be down about $3 billion versus 2022. In terms of where our cash will be at the end of the year, obviously, we've talked a lot about a $10 billion to $12 billion target for liquidity. We're well ahead of that at the end of the first quarter. When we think $10 billion to $12 billion, I generally think of it as we'd like to be around $10 billion of liquidity as we are late in the year [indiscernible] for liquidity. That arrives to $12 billion during the year. At this point, we're well ahead of our target liquidity and expect we would definitely be on the high end of target liquidity if we hit the midpoint of our guidance this year. And then, just longer term, 2024, we have a little bit of a step up in maturities. I think most people understand in 2025, we have a higher debt tower. We proactively addressed some of that with a refinancing in the first quarter. The remainder of it, we will seek to either pay down or refinance a portion of it depending on our cash flow production over the next couple of years.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Helane Becker of Cowen.
Helane Becker:
Just two questions. One, I'm wondering, on operations, Robert, you mentioned in the quarter that you were, I think, at the top of on-time performance in and so on. I'm wondering if you could talk about some of the learnings that you've had in being with, like, the Dallas storms and the NOTAM shutdown and then what happened in Fort Lauderdale earlier this month, just how that will carry through to prepare yourselves for the summer, which is likely to be pretty difficult. And then, my second question is, I'm wondering if, Vasu, you can talk about the changes you made to NDC and travel agent bookings and how that's being received.
Robert Isom:
We've learned a lot over the last year. Let's face it. Summer 2022 was pretty rocky. And during that time, we got right to work to make sure that we plan the airlines for the resources that we have. And that's played out over the course of this past year. We got stronger and stronger as the 2022 closed. And as we progress through 2023, what I'm most encouraged about is really when conditions permit, we fly an exceptional airlines. We complete nearly every flight. And that bodes well for the summer. I know that there are going to be issues. And you're going to have to stay on top of things. But we've never been more prepared from the perspective of having the right resources in the right place. And that's everything from gates at the station level to pilot, flight attendants, to mechanics. So, we feel really good about where we're heading. But your question about, hey, issues happen. So we're planned well. But in terms of those issues and disruptions, they're going to happen. We had severe thunderstorms here in DFW last night. But we have new tools in place that allow us to build back from any disruption in a lot better fashion, and one that, quite frankly, protects more passengers. So our misconnection rates are very, very manageable right now. And as we take a look going forward, the tools that we've put in place, a system called HEAT that is appropriately named as heat builds up and thunderstorms happen and disruptions happen, what we do is we actually put in place delay programs and cancellation programs that protect the system and protect the most number of customers, and ultimately allow us to recover quicker. Now, this is part of a bigger, longer range plan. And I'm probably going to give more of an answer here than you need. But after the last five years of integration, then the pandemic, we're at a point where we can really do a lot more with the assets that we have. We have a new CIO here, Ganesh Jayaram, and I want him to just talk quickly about that technology first mindset that we've introduced that is really going to get at the heart of those questions that you're bringing up about operational reliability. Ganesh?
Ganesh Jayaram:
The past seven months that I've been in this role, our technology team has refined our playbook to work better and faster with our partners in the priority areas of operations and commercial for deliver technology solutions that meet and exceed the expectations of our customers and team members. So going forward, we're really excited that we bring new digital solutions to the market in a much more agile manner than in the past, improve our customers' ability to self-serve all the needs of the American as well as solutions like HEAT that improve the resilience of our daily flight operations. Lastly, the technology team, we're working very closely with Devon and the finance team to invest appropriately in modernizing our technology stack to help us deliver the additional capabilities of the future. I can now turn it over to Vasu and David to share some examples of solutions that we're excited to bring to the market in the rest of the year.
Vasu Raja:
I can pick up a little bit on the technology points. But let me speak very directly to your question about distribution. It's really important to understand our changes through the lens of how our customers have changed because that is our true north. Understanding that and building our enterprise around that is how we create value. So, earlier, I mentioned how the transaction mix has changed and has been changing. But what's really important is the beyond that transaction mix, how our customers consume our product has changed materially. So if you go back to 2019 and look at all the unique customers who took a business trip, the top 60% of business traveling customers produced well over 80% of all the business travel revenue at American Airlines. When you look at that in 2023, that same population of unique customers is actually spending 15% more on flight revenue with the airline. However, the mix of their trips has changed materially. It used to be that over 50% of their trips were purely for business purposes. Now well less than 40% of their trips are for purely business purposes. That, let's call it, 10 to 15 points of shift has gone pretty much entirely to blended style trips. But it's gone entirely out of the travel agency distribution channel and into our direct channels, like dot com and app. So, that's been a thing we've been observing really for the better part of the last year, and the trends continue to accelerate. And you see now across our commercial changes. We've actively repositioned the network where we fly less in short haul markets, like, say, New York to Chicago or we start in new markets like New York to Tulsa. We've done things with our loyalty program, our AAdvantage travel rewards program to make it easier to go and earn miles for things which aren't just taking a historical business trip where fewer of those travelers are doing it. But the next and very important part is how we sell and service our product. And what we've realized is so many of those customers are going direct, frankly, because they're used to a consumer experience at any other retailer where they can buy the product and shop digitally, and they can service it themselves. So when you look at it through that lens, our changes are really kind of the simple. By the end of Q2, anything that we sell in a US point of origination, a customer will be able to go and service – buy and service digitally through our dot com and our app, which is a huge change from where the airline's been, a marked difference from where many of our competitors are. However, traditional travel agency technology doesn't enable us to roll those same services out through it. But some of the new travel agency technology that's there that people like Sabre and Amadeus and Travelport are offering enable us to do exactly that. So as the summer rolls on, you'll see us rolling more of our selling and servicing tools into this new distribution capability. And that's something which, ultimately, should be beneficial to travel agencies. That'll enable really forward thinking agencies to serve our joint customers a whole lot better. And so far, we've been actually extremely encouraged. We've had three or four weeks now where we've been migrating more services and more of our fare products on this new distribution technology. And the results have been extremely encouraging. So if you look at first quarter, about 10% of our revenue was booked by travel agencies. We're now – virtually all of their future bookings are coming through new distribution technologies. We've also seen new travel agency competitors emerge, and they're growing at an exponential week to week rate. And they're really disrupting the traditional travel management company model. At their current rate of bookings, they will be as large as any of the three largest travel management companies in terms of booked AA revenue probably by this summer. And what we're really encouraged by is, every day, a new corporate customer is coming to us asking about how they can connect directly to us or how they go and best source all the fare content of American Airlines. So the important thing is really, for us, we are making our changes really in service where our customers are going. We think it's something which can be great for the travel agency community. But above all, the end consumer is going to benefit from more competition, better services, lower cost of sale. So we're encouraged where this is going.
Robert Isom:
Appreciate you letting us go long on that. Because you can tell, your question gets to the heart of everything that we're doing from a strategic perspective, operationally and commercially.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
I have a network question, maybe a little bit of a philosophical one for Vasu or Robert. As we think back to historical periods for the airline industry, there were definitely periods where international growth was funded by domestic capacity cuts, when international growth prospects were more attractive. And if we think about the experience through the pandemic where everyone was domestically focused and Florida focused because that was the only thing open. Now slowly market by market, the rest of the world has gradually become Florida too. You all now have a much larger opportunity set. So why don't you think we're seeing some – the domestic bets which were totally appropriate in the pandemic context being rolled back? And what do you think the set of circumstances that would drive a better portfolio outcome by funding international growth with domestic cuts, and appreciate the long winded philosophical question?
Robert Isom:
I'll start with, I think, some realities in the business and then Vasu can do more from the philosophical standpoint. But first I just think it's important for people to know that American is growing less than anybody else this this year, and it's not necessarily by choice. Let's face it. We've run into issues with the constraints that we're all aware of. Manufacturers haven't been able to deliver aircraft on time. And we've had pilot constraints that have gotten in the way. And that has to some degree shaped what we've been able to do. So we have, I think, almost 150 regional aircraft that are still in the ground, and we're not serving a lot of cities, small cities that really have lost service. And we'd like to get back into. And so, I think that that's an opportunity for us. And then in regard to international, Vasu will talk more about it, but that is absolutely the largest portion of our growth in this coming year. But it's largely been constrained by our other issues. Vasu?
Vasu Raja:
Yeah, that's right. I'll pick up from there. I appreciate your longwinded philosophical question. My boss tells me that I'm prone to be longwinded and philosophical, but I'll be very focused and philosophical for this one. Because this is a topic that we've thought about for really a long time since the start of the pandemic. First to pick up where Robert left off. When you look out, though our capacity mix is about 75% to 80% short haul versus long haul, 80% of our growth as we head into the next quarter is really all, what we call, the build back of the long haul network on a more efficient fleet base. That's the start of more – as indeed more airplanes come from Boeing. But also, what's very important to note is we very consciously went and built our fleet and our network through the pandemic, so that it can go and be nimble and produce a level of earnings growth across the business cycle. So, importantly, when you look at us, right, versus 2019, we are about 45 widebodies smaller, 45 narrowbodies larger. That's material, because in the long haul business, and we've seen this over time, it's the most volatile part of a relatively volatile business, its most capital intensive part of a capital intensive business. And it can be very complex operationally, too. So what we found is that, actually, by being a very focused operator, a simplified fleet, things like that, that enables us to go and respond to demand a lot more appropriately. So further to that, to what Robert said, the way we go about doing that is actually by making as many unique origin and destination markets as we can. And our primary asset for doing this is the large narrowbody, whether it fills widebody jets or fills regional jets. And the more of that connectivity we can make, the better it is. So what you'll see in our international network, you see it already, is really an orientation around places where we can leverage our domestic strength. For example, Dallas, Fort Worth, or Charlotte which will have four trips to London this summer, or markets where we can leverage our partnership network. We'll fly JFK to Doha where we're able to connect to the entirety of the Qatar Airways network, for example. And we grade that performance really, are we generating as a system? Are we generating more industry revenue, more of our share of industry revenue versus capacity share? And when you look back at the last four or five quarters, that's certainly been the case. At large, we're able to collect more revenue than the capacity share that we're flying. So we're encouraged by that. This summer in long haul is going to be a seasonally and probably a historically strong long haul summer. Over time, that is going to go and normalize. And we will be able to grow into that and we will have a fleet that enables us to go serve it as and where the demand is.
Robert Isom:
One other piece of kind of real news on top of that. To add to that O&D base, and I mentioned the 150 aircraft that we're not flying from a regional perspective, I think that we've seen the low point of supportability. And as we take a look for through the rest of the year, and that's going to be built back. And I don't know if we'll be back to probably 100 aircraft again. But I look out over certainly the next 18, 24 months to be in a much better position just from utilization and also being able to service on these smaller cities and contributing to what Vasu had said from a philosophical perspective.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Didora of Bank of America.
Andrew Didora:
Vasu, maybe sticking with the philosophical a little bit. I'm sure this is still a real tough time to give some revenue projections. I guess when you sat down with your team over the last couple of weeks, which entities today are easier to forecast, but maybe some others aren't?
Vasu Raja:
That's an excellent question. Look, this business is nothing, if not dynamic. Look, in our system, there's probably a lot more forecast clarity in our short haul network than our long haul network due not exactly to any particular demand trends, but just simply to the fact that we've been operating a big domestic system for a really long time. So if you go back and look at last year, the demand environment in domestic, it was strong as we headed into the second quarter, it was made stronger by the fact that so many long haul markets were – they were either closed or it was really difficult for customers to go through. But by being big last year and by continuing to be much bigger than what many other airlines were, it gave us a better sense for any amount of demand projections, both things such as the – how far from departure the booking curve is, how we can position our network based on demand changes, changing customer profiles and tastes. So right now, there's probably a little more accuracy around the short haul network than the long haul network.
Andrew Didora:
Just a second question here. I guess more near term. Just any update this morning, I know you reiterated your full year capacity and earnings goals, but nothing around revenues or costs. Have your thoughts here changed at all? Are you just kind of holding in the historical revenue yield relationship?
Devon May:
Yeah, I'd just say we're pretty early in the year for an update on either revenue or fuel. So we're leaving those out. I will say on a CASMx fuel basis, we still feel really good about our initial guidance of CASM, up two to five for that period. I think we'll be right around the midpoint of that, at least as we sit here today.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Ravi Shanker of Morgan Stanley.
Ravi Shanker:
It feels like the next kind of 12 to 18 months are going to be pretty important for managed corporate as a lot of the kind of old grandfathered enterprise corporate contracts come up for renewal. And you already have a few more competitors potentially kind of enter the game and maybe the size of the pie is also a little bit smaller, at least in the short term. How are you guys thinking about where American is positioned relative to kind of some of the enterprise, historically, competitors, as well as some of the new entrants and kind of going after that managed corporate share?
Vasu Raja:
This is Vasu. And I'll pick up your question with reference to some of my early comments here. And our customers have changed and probably where that change is the greatest is with contract and corporations. So, in 1Q 2019, our mix of business revenue, I said they were 40%. That was kind of a two to one split between non-contracted customers and contracted customers. Now what we're seeing, what we've been seeing is that relationship is more like a three to one split between non-contracted customers and contracted customers. So there's the nature of the travel that's out there has changed a lot. But also, the way in which we think about corporate has changed as customer tastes have changed. And if you think about it, for so many corporates, really when companies aren't back to work, it's really hard to go and get people back on the road. And we see that. So, where we are today, 95% of our corporate accounts are telling us that they're not enforcing a travel policy in which they require an employee to fly one airline versus another. And across our contracted base, over 60% of our corporate contracts don't fulfill the volume and share goals that we've set out, which is completely understandable. The marketplace has changed. If companies are struggling to bring people back to the office, it's practical to think that it's difficult to get them back on the road. But that said, to refer to my earlier comments, that same base of customers, though they may be traveling less on a contracted deal, they're actually spending more money traveling on the airline. And indeed, that base of customers are doing things – they're the ones who are most likely to acquire our credit card or where they have our credit cards. They're the ones most likely to go and drive up spending on it. So we're actually really encouraged as contracts come up for renewal because it's a chance between us and some of these corporates to really figure out how we go and structure deals that are fit for the purposes that these corporations have today and tomorrow. So we're encouraged by that. We think that the marketplace is changing very much, and we're looking forward to changing with it.
Ravi Shanker:
Maybe just a quick follow-up. I know there's been some commentary on kind of domestic network on this call already. But just to put a fine point on it, I guess, given your US domestic exposure relative to your network peers, I know there's been lot of talk/speculation on the strength of the US domestic traveler. Any kind of definitive word that you can say about whether you're seeing that strength in demand continuing, the strength in RASM continuing? Are you starting to see cracks? Or people potentially kind of delaying or putting off trips domestically, that would be helpful.
Robert Isom:
Look, I would say this, Ravi. What we see out there is demand for travel has never been probably more aspirational, nor more intentional. That is, we see not just people continuing to book further in advance. They're doing things where they want to go put more spending on credit cards, they want to go earn more miles because they're aspiring to take future trips that are out there. And they're keen to find more ways to go and do that, especially as they may be – the companies may be requiring them to travel less. But there's also just a lot of intentionality of that, right? What we've seen across our system is, if you look at our traffic composition, it's not just that there's no more same day trips, we've shifted about three points of our traffic mix from round trips to one ways where people are sometimes willing to pay a flexibility premium, so that they can structure their trip and their fare product in a manner that they like. That's all to say that we do continue to see strength in the demand environment. Its year-over-year comps may be a little bit odd because for purely idiosyncratic issues, right? Last year, domestic was benefited by the fact that long haul markets were shut down, for example. But so far, we still see a really favorable demand environment, and we see at the actual unique customer level, a great degree of desire to travel.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Conor Cunningham of Melius Research.
Conor Cunningham:
The pushback I get on the free cash flow production at American is that it's somewhat temporary as CapEx kind of ticks up again in the future. In nothing to the magnitude that you had before in the re-fleeting phase. But why aren't we talking more about a long term return on invested capital target? Like, what goes into that thought process for you guys? Or maybe we're just too early in the balance sheet recovery phase? Just any thoughts there would be helpful.
Devon May:
Listen, to start, we are really excited about our potential for free cash flow production in 2023. And you're right, this is a year where we have lower CapEx than an average year and lower CapEx than we wanted to have this year. We had planned to spend a little bit more on aircraft CapEx. We just weren't able to get the deliveries in the way we wanted. But this year, we think we will be something approaching $3 billion of free cash flow. That is inclusive of our labor agreements, which do have the potential of some sort of bonus pay. So we're proud of what we're producing this year. Next year, I think we're going to have a really nice free cash flow story again, even though our aircraft CapEx does step up a little bit. And then longer term, I think this is a story that we hopefully will continue to talk about. We don't expect to have a need to go through a kind of massive CapEx cycle again. We expect a more normalized cycle of capital expenditures. And in that world, we should be able to produce free cash flow each year. And as for metrics like a return on invested capital metric, it is early in the recovery, but that's something that we would expect to talk more about in the coming years.
Conor Cunningham:
You talked a fair bit about managed corporate travel, but I was just curious if you could talk a little bit about the small and medium business traveler out there. Obviously, been a huge important segment for you guys in the near term. Just curious, have there been any changing in trends or tendencies given the choppy macro backdrop, just any thoughts there would be helpful.
Vasu Raja:
Yeah, that's a great question. And probably it's a segment of travel which is maybe neglected historically. Look, we see a lot of growth. Clearly, it's not just that people are traveling less on contracted accounts, but we're seeing people who are taking business style trips or even blended trips who have no corporate – no recognized contract corporate affiliation. And really, probably the biggest thing to note there is that there's just a different set of buying criteria. There's value on flexibility to my earlier point that a lot more of those non contracted customers will look to buy one way trips in order to blend it or construct what they need to do. And also, for those customers, they reflect a lot of the economic dynamics of the country and Robert kind of alluded to it in his earlier remarks at the top of this. So much of that demand is originating out of Sunbelt markets, Arizona, Texas, the Carolinas, Florida, places where we just have an inherent level of strength, and we endeavor to go build a fleet and a network structure to capitalize on.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank.
Michael Linenberg:
I have two quick ones here. Just, Vasu, following on Helane's point on your answer to your question, what was the split between direct and indirect sales in 2019? Where are you today? And where do you think you are, say, a year-and-a-half, two years out?
Vasu Raja:
Today, we're a little over 60% going direct, which is about a 10 to 12 points improvement versus where we were in quarter one of 2019. We anticipate being about 10 points larger than that by quarter two. Now, importantly, we consider it being sold through our new distribution technologies also as direct because we're able to provide – for us, direct is really how do we provide the right level of retail experience, selling and servicing to the customer. So we anticipate that will grow and potentially be as much as 80 plus percent of the airline by the end of the year. And we certainly are doing all that we can to both encourage and incentivize people to make it something greater than that. So we remain pleased with how it's rolled out there. To bolster that and come back to some points that Robert and Ganesh mentioned, part of what we're doing also is we're simplifying what we sell. There's a lot of cases where we've created a lot of revenue products for a customer that – customer behaviors that just don't exist anymore that required a lot of complications in servicing. Now, we can be a lot more simple, we can provide flexibility in a lot more ways, which ultimately will be a thing that is great for any travel agency looking to serve a customer. But understandably, those are only made possible through contemporary technology. And so, we anticipate that will also further fuel a change amongst customer behavior and ideally agency behavior too.
Michael Linenberg:
Just to clarify, you threw out 80%. But I guess. to be clear, it's almost – obviously, the NDC peace, but it's almost a bit of a hybrid direct/indirect because the GDSs are part of that solution, right? Is my interpretation right?
Vasu Raja:
Yeah, that's correct. And you're very much right, Mike. And the reality is what the split is that takes us from 60 to 80 between direct and indirect. We don't entirely know yet. And if we look at it, certainly from the last three or four weeks that we've been really producing content for new distribution channels, we've actually seen – the primary growth outlet has actually been our app and our dot com. So as things change, it remains to be seen. And again, so much of this is dictated by the taste of the customer. And many of those non=contracted business customers that I spoke about in the last question would love to go and purchase and consume our product through the app. So as our app improves, we anticipate there will be more and more of a shift.
Michael Linenberg:
Devon, just a quick one. The $211 million profit sharing accrual, I guess that covers part of last year, but was that entirely incurred in the March quarter of 2023? And when you give us CASMx, is that chasm CASM ex-fuel or is it CASM ex fuel and profit sharing? I just want to clarify that.
Devon May:
The CASMx guidance is just CASM ex fuel. As for the $211 million, that is for our profit sharing program for the year ended March 31. We do have a profit sharing program for 2023 that started January and goes through the entire 12 months of this year. So the $211 million is for effectively the last nine months of 2022 and the first three months of 2023. And that is going to be paid out in May.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay. But would that incurred 100% in the March quarter?
Devon May:
No, that was accrued throughout 2022.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker of J.P. Morgan.
Jamie Baker:
Vasu, continuing on the corporate question, we understand the shift to NDC3. And credit is absolutely due to American for having the IT capabilities that not all of your competitors do. But what I can't reconcile is the way that you appear to be backing away from corporates. And that's based on my conversations with travel managers across the country, what I've seen in the press, it feels like the new philosophy is that you're not pursuing corporates with the same vigor as in the past because, to me, that suggests the potential for share shift to United, to Delta.
Vasu Raja:
And the lens to see a lot of our changes is through the actual user of the airline product, the end consumer. And that's been a thing where – if you just think about the big history of the airlines, it's been hard to just amass the data and see technologically like who the customer is. We distribute our product based on whether it was a fast schedule or a low price. And so much of what we did was trying to get people to go by the faster schedule because there is a premium on it. But the changes have been meaningful, and none of the top 25 companies who were there in 2019 are any more than about 65% return to travel. However, the top customers, our earlier point, they're spending more on the airline than ever before. Now, what that means for us is, especially in many cases where accounts aren't fulfilling or things like that, the nature of the corporate discount and the corporate contract is just changing. Maybe the best example that I can give is, through many of our contracts over the years, we granted a level of loyalty status to customers. Well, now what we find is people are willing to actually – especially non-contracted customers, many cases, the actual customer in the corporation is looking to go and earn more miles, and when they earn miles, they want to be able to redeem them, they want to be able to get their status benefits, they want all of those things to take place. However, at our peak, we were giving away as much as 35% of our status members were through corporate exceptions. So that's a material amount, when you think about it. That's actually curtailing the customer experience of those people who are most using our product, some of whom work in the exact same corporation, but didn't travel as much before. They travel less than some of the people who are receiving the exception. So a lot less of this is backing away from it, but the marketplace has changed. And there's something that we can do with a lot of these travel managers, which could be a much better experience for all of their customers. Through all of these changes, they can have access to, frankly, a much more seamless and simple servicing solution where they can also go and get some distribution cost savings too. So the change is never a thing which is all the way easy, but it is something where our customers are speaking and for them it's necessary.
Robert Isom:
Jamie, it's important for me to weigh in too. I know this is probably not the case. The nature of your questions suggests that's what our competitors are saying about us in the marketplace. And I'd just like to underscore that, yeah, hey, look, we're going to back things in a little bit different fashion, we're looking to better service, offer less – a much less complex product, seamlessness across the board. That benefits our relationship with the corporate customers. And we're out there in force and we're making sure that we're appealing to our largest customers and the way that they want to do business. And if there are changes we need to make, we're going to do it. But right now, I think that more than anything else, what we're doing is actually having an impact. And I'm pleased with where we're headed.
Jamie Baker:
Devon, just a quick question on the labor cost accruals. I want to make sure I understand correctly. Those accruals – well, do the accruals include any changes in profit sharing formulas anywhere else in the P&L? Or is it simply a wage based accrual? Given your answer to Mike's question, I think that's the right answer. It's just a wage based exercise.
Devon May:
For what's in the second quarter, based on where we're at in negotiations and an assumption that we actually reached a tentative agreement this quarter, what we have in our guidance is an assumption that we will be at higher wages for our pilot workgroup for the quarter. Other work groups, we expect to reach tentative agreements later in the year. So there's no impact from those groups in the second quarter. And as for profit sharing, no expected profit sharing changes this quarter, but we do have an expectation for a change in profit sharing for those workgroups in the back half year.
Robert Isom:
Jamie, let me add on here, too. I know that that was a question about real P&L items. But at the end of the day, we're going to end up with a contract that not only takes care of our pilots from a compensation perspective, but also quality of life. But the good news on that front is that, look, I think that we're going to be in a position where the changes that we're making are going to benefit not only our pilots, but the airline as well. So I look to changes that are being made as something that we'll be able to accommodate over time without a lot of impact to productivity.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions]. And our first question comes from the line of Alison Sider of WSJ.
Alison Sider:
Just sort of curious on Boeing deliveries, kind of what what's coming next, what you're hearing on Dreamliner deliveries and whether 737 delays to summer are going to cause any issues? Are you having to thin out routes or cancel any routes or any kind of customer impact there?
Robert Isom:
I'll start and Devon can give you some particulars, but between the MAXes and 787s, I think we have approximately 20-some-odd – 23 deliveries planned for this year. And certainly, we've had some delays in that. And we're concerned about potential delays impacting the summer as well. It looks like we're going to be minimally impacted. But I'd just underscore this that anytime that there is a delay in delivery, especially for an airline like American right now, where we've really built an efficient fleet over the years, if this results in real impact to the airline and to our customers, we expect to fly those planes, we expect to fly them on time, and we have to make schedule changes, it impacts hundreds, if not thousands, of customers. Fortunately, with this latest issue with the MAX, we haven't had to make too many changes. But I'd just like to underscore this. Boeing has been a great partner. Airbus is a great partner. But, look, at the end of the day, we need them to be incredibly reliable. We need to them to be better than what they've been. And I don't communicate very frequently with the Boeing senior management team. And we need them to get their act together. We need a very, very strong Boeing and we need them to be an incredible partner and we have all the confidence that they'll get there. Devon, did you want to add anything else in terms of the particulars.
Devon May:
Just a reminder, we have four 787 deliveries this year. We took one in the first quarter. We expect the next three in the next 30 days or so. And on the MAXes, we have 17 remaining, those will start to deliver over the next handful of weeks. The last two deliveries for this year are both NEOs and we got both of those in the first quarter.
Alison Sider:
And if I could just follow-up on sort of all the business travel talk on this call. You've talked about it a lot. But we have heard companies and agencies sort of complaining about some of the changes American has made? Are you seeing any market share shift? Or is that it just doesn't really matter in the same way it might have at one point?
Vasu Raja:
This is Vasu. Look, from a given agency or another, we may see a little bit. But in aggregate, we're really encouraged by the revenue trends that that we see. Indeed, what we're seeing – and while probably many people in traditional travel distribution are adjusting to these changes, what we also see in other cases is end consumers really responding favorably. So I mentioned earlier how many of our sales are going direct, but one of the things that we're encouraged by is, by the end of this month, over 60% of our servicing transactions are coming digitally. And we anticipate by the end of the year 100% of our transactions could be done digitally. So that's a really meaningful change. So again, when you think about who those customers are that are increasingly traveling, whether they're traveling on a blended trip or a business trip or a leisure trip, it's kind of a second order issue. The more that we can give them a contemporary retailing experience, like what they get with anything else they buy, the more they value. We're seeing that over and over again. Our best channel for driving upsell is actually dotcom and the app, and it's consistent across our system. I'll give a for example. This will be relevant for you and even for Jamie's comment. It's not just a function of our domestic marketplace. But when we're seeing 10 to 15 points of transaction share shift out of travel agencies and into the direct channel, it applies in our long haul network, too. So London-Heathrow, which for us has – our peak flights in London-Heathrow, the entirety of the premium cabin could have been sold outside of the dotcom at one point in time in the past. As we finish the first quarter here, about 40% of our sales in London-Heathrow premium cabin is coming from our direct channel. And so much of what's happening, when they're doing that, when customers are buying that is they're buying a product that they can go service themselves, they can change the seat assignment, they get the full value of not just the flexibility of the fare product, but the entirety of the servicing experience. So actually, so many of our changes, we want to make that same thing available to all of our retail outlets. Wherever a customer wants to shop, we want them to be able to have that experience as well. And we know that many of our travel agency partners, our corporates want the exact same thing. But it calls for a different approach. And so, we are doing a little bit of innovation to go and get it to a different approach. But ultimately, it's something which benefits the end customer and it's going to create more choices for them. And frankly, more competition on how they buy travel.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Mary Schlangenstein of Bloomberg.
Mary Schlangenstein:
I wanted to ask, what are American's plans for taking advantage of the waivers that were offered in New York and DC by the FAA? And then my second question is, Robert, you were talking about the parked regional jets and said potentially you might be able to get 100 of them back in service by the end of this year. So realistically, how many of those planes do you think will return to use and will a large percentage of them perhaps never be that flying for American?
Robert Isom:
Let me take that last one first, which is we would we would be flying virtually all those planes today, if we could. And you take a look at small cities throughout the country – Vasu can give you a more exhaustive list than this. But places like Green Bay and Santa Fe and Springfield, Missouri, Panama City, those are all places that would demand more service right now. And they really can only be served with regional jet. Now, at the end of the day, we do that to connect into the larger part of our network. So, which then impacts our hubs in our mainline aircraft and the international flying and everything else. So it's a positive overall. To that end, the largest issue that we've been facing is the shortfall in pilots. But we've seen great uptake in terms of people coming into the business because of some of the changes we made in compensation last year. And we're getting to the point where we have enough captains to build hours with first officers to get aircraft back up in the air. And when we take a look at where we'll eventually be, I would anticipate that virtually all those aircraft would be back into the system outside of the retirements that we would make for aging aircraft.
Vasu Raja:
Regarding New York FAA, I can start, Mary, and Nate Gatten may want to add as well. But the short answer is, we're really encouraged by what the FAA did. For us, we've taken some advantage of it. But for us, so much of our growth in New York is really in JFK flying long haul. Think, Kennedy to Delhi or Kennedy to Doha. A lot of the benefits are more going to be borne out on people who fly shorter haul markets, higher frequency, where those issues can come and buy some more. So when we go into our summer, our New York will be about 10 or 15 departures down versus what we had in the plan three or four months ago, but our overall seat capacity is up. And across the NEA, it is up and will continue to be up as we both get more people to New York, through New York and from New York.
Devon May:
I would just add, Robert mentioned it this morning, but we appreciate the FAA's leadership here to proactively take steps like this one to improve our airspace. Certainly, we've seen since the pandemic that the New York area airports have struggled to return to normal operations. A lot of that is because of workforce challenges and the other system constraints at those airports. So the steps, we welcome. Vasu mentioned our ability to take advantage of this is limited to some extent by NEA. I would just say, as a part of the NEA, we committed to capacity targets for New York airports. And we expect to fulfill those commitments. And I would just add, since we're on the subject that we also want to commend the FAA for their guidance around commercial space launches, which will now take into consideration the impact that these major launches in particular will have on air travel. It's a collaborative effort to address an issue that really challenges the system. And hopefully, it's something that's going to have wide ranging benefits to the traveling public.
Mary Schlangenstein:
It sounds like you're not taking full advantage of the slot waivers offered by the FAA. Is that correct?
Vasu Raja:
Mary, this is Vasu. That is correct. But that largely is due to the fact that we have less flying in the sort of high frequency markets that would most benefit from it.
Mary Schlangenstein:
But as Devon said, you're not cutting under the NEA.
Vasu Raja:
No. Indeed, we're actually growing seats. When you when you look at American Airlines this summer, we're growing seats and we're growing them at a greater rate than anybody else. The NEA is growing at a greater rate than anybody else. But that's really a response to consumer demand. And what you are seeing from us is flying fewer departures with more seats per departure. So we're able to across the NEA operate schedules that we can deliver on.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Leslie Josephs of CNBC.
Leslie Josephs:
I'm just curious what the timeframe is for the new suites for the widebodies and, I guess, XLRs aren't here yet? Are you still expecting those to debut in 2024 and if there's any change to the retrofit schedule because we've seen some issues with supply chain? And then also, do you have any detail on what the upsell has been to more premium cabins, whether it's some more extra legroom seats or paid first and business class?
Vasu Raja:
This is Vasu. I can answer both. So, the first question, no change to plans. We anticipate taking – installing the new seat on retrofits as planned and putting them on new deliveries as planned also. And we're really excited for it because it's going to be a really great product for our customers and a much simpler seat to go operate and deliver. To your second question about upsell rates, look, a year or two ago, one of the questions in our mind, earlier point about philosophically how do we think about the long haul business, but one of our great concerns was what was the future of premium cabin, premium economy, things like that. Now that we've had a year of seeing how people use this, even in a world where we have less corporate contracts flying, we've been actually really encouraged, probably never been more encouraged by premium cabin performance. So if you look at us in first quarter, our premium cabin revenues across the system are up 20% versus the same period in 2019. But our premium cabin seats are basically flat to what they were in 2019. That's a level of growth which exceeds what we see in the economy cabin, and we see it categorically across every entity that's there, domestic, short haul, Caribbean, London, even the Pacific, we see that. So, actually, we've been very positively surprised by premium cabins, by the flexibility and the upsell that ends up happening. And indeed, to my earlier comments through the call, the fact that so many customers are willing to go and purchase this is, frankly, what makes us more encouraged about any number of the commercial changes we're making.
Operator:
I would now like to turn the conference back to Robert Isom for closing remarks. Sir?
Robert Isom:
Thank you very much. And thanks for the interest. Look, we're really pleased with the progress that we've made at American. We set out with the goal of becoming a more reliable airline and becoming profitable. And we've done a remarkable job. Our team has done a remarkable job over the last year of getting us into this position – industry-leading operational reliability and then profitability, which is our fourth quarter in a row, record revenue production. When I take a look year-over-year, it's astounding that we're $2 billion in terms of pre-tax – better than we were just a year ago. As project out for the year, we anticipate record revenues in the second quarter. So all that is very positive. But I get asked questions about why isn't our stock price performance moving in alignment with seemingly improved prospects. And in fact, our guidance for the year in terms of EPS from analysts would be 25% below where we're guiding. Can I just say to that right now? No luck. It's due to people not knowing the American story, possibly. And in that case, we've got to get out and do a better job of letting folks know what we see and where things are headed. And if it's not that, they don't believe our story. In that case, we're just going to keep producing. Every quarter that we have a chance, we're going to talk about those things that are most meaningful to creating shareholder value. And that's earnings and generating free cash flow. And we'll keep producing until people do believe. And for those that just want to see another chapter of the book and have some concerns about some issues that we may encounter over the next three, six months or so, hey, we'll play that out too. We're really confident no matter what comes our way that we'll react in a fashion that still preserves our focus on making sure we run reliably and ultimately profitably as well. So I appreciate everybody's interest, and we'll get back to work. Thanks very much.
Operator:
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Thank you for standing by, and welcome to American Airlines Group's Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the call over to Managing Director of Investor Relations, Scott Long. Please go ahead.
Scott Long:
Thank you, Atif. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings conference call. On the call this morning, we have our CEO, Robert Isom; our Vice Chair, President of American Eagle and Strategic Advisor, Derek Kerr; and our new CFO, Devon May. A number of our other senior executives are also on the call for the Q&A session. Robert will start the call this morning with an overview of our performance and our 2023 priorities. Derek will follow with details on the fourth quarter and full year, and Devon will then outline our operating plans and outlook going forward. After Devon's comments, we'll open the call for analyst questions, followed by questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. And before we begin today, we must state that today's call contains forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecast of capacity and fleet plans. These statements represent our predictions and expectations of future events, the numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release that was issued this morning as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2022. In addition, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release, which can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. Webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information we're giving you on the call this morning is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thanks for your interest and for joining us this morning. And with that, I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Robert Isom.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. This morning, American reported a fourth quarter GAAP net income of $803 million and a full year net income of $127 million. Excluding net special items, we reported a fourth quarter net income of $827 million and a full year net income of $328 million. Our performance in the fourth quarter and for the full year was driven by continued strength of demand and revenue environment and incredible efforts of the American Airlines team. We're tremendously proud of what the team has accomplished over the past year. We're committed to running a reliable operation, and we're delivering. Coming out of the holidays, American had the best completion factor of any major U.S. airline. We also said we would return American to profitability, and we've done that as well. Our team has delivered a third consecutive quarterly profit and fourth quarter margins that are higher than the fourth quarter of 2019 despite our fuel price increasing by approximately 70%. We generated nearly $2.4 billion in pre-tax profits over the past three quarters, and we're pleased to report a full year profit for the first time since 2019. In addition to running a reliable operation and generating sustained profits, we're making significant progress on repairing our balance sheet. We recently prepaid a $1.2 billion term loan a year before scheduled maturity date, and we have now reduced our total debt by more than $8 billion from peak levels in mid-2021. This puts us well past the halfway point of our $15 billion total debt reduction goal only 18 months into the program. Derek will talk more about our deleveraging plans in just a few minutes. Let's talk more about the fourth quarter and full year results. We produced revenues of $13.2 billion in the fourth quarter, an increase of 16.6% versus 2019 and the highest fourth quarter revenue in company history. Notably, we achieved this record revenue while flying 6.1% less capacity than we did in the fourth quarter of 2019. American also produced record revenues of $49 billion for the full year, which is a 7% increase over 2019, while flying 8.7% less capacity. Demand remains strong and our revenue performance is in line with our expectations following our strong holiday performance. Post-holiday bookings are off to a strong start. In fact, this is our best ever post-holiday booking period with broad strength across all entities and travel periods. Demand for domestic and short-haul international travel continues to lead the way. We expect a strong demand environment to continue in 2023 and anticipate further improvement in demand for long-haul international travel this year. Now turning to the operation. The American Airlines team delivered a fantastic performance in the fourth quarter. We operated more than 475,000 flights in the quarter with an average load factor of approximately 84%, and we ranked first in completion factor among the nine largest U.S. carriers. Our team delivered an even stronger performance over the holidays, despite challenging conditions in many parts of the country. American outperformed the industry over the December holiday period, ranking first in completion factor. Key to our success has been sizing our airline for the resources we have available and the operating conditions we expect to encounter. And we will continue to do that going forward. We're doubling down on our efforts to run a reliable operation in 2023, including investing in our team, our fleet and technology to support our operations and we're seeing this work pay off as our operation is off to a strong start just a few weeks into 2023, including the best on-time arrival performance of the nine largest U.S. carriers so far this year. American is proud to operate the simplest, youngest and most efficient fleet among U.S. network carriers. In August, we began taking deliveries of new 788 aircraft from Boeing for the first time in 15 months. In the fourth quarter, we took delivery of five 788s, and we expect to receive the remaining four in the first half of 2023. Our Boeing 789s are expected to be delivered starting in 2024. During the fourth quarter -- I'm sorry about that. Okay. During the fourth quarter, we also took delivery of seven A321neos, three 175s and three -- and five 737-800s from long-term storage. Devon is going to talk more about that. But what I'd like to say is that the results the American Airlines team produced in 2022 and what we are projecting in 2023 are proof positive that the actions we have taken in the recent years have put us in a position of strength and allowed us to take full advantage of the recovery. We spent more than five years on the most complex integration in the history of the airline industry. Three years navigating the pandemic and making the airline more efficient. And now we're poised to drive the business forward in 2023 and beyond. We have simplified and harmonized our fleet, modernizing our facilities, fine-tune our network to focus on the most profitable plan, develop new partnerships, introduced new tools for our customers and team and hired tens of thousands of people. During all, the American Airlines team has gone above and beyond to deliver strong operational and financial results. Now before I turn it over to Derek to provide more detail on our 2022 financial performance, I want to thank him for his partnership over the past 20 years as CFO. He is a great friend and he's been a trusted advisor throughout my career. Quite simply, he's the best CFO in the history of the airline industry. This financial leadership has helped create the largest airline in the world through the mergers of America West and U.S. Airways in 2005 and U.S. Airways and American in 2013. Derek was instrumental in raising $25 billion of capital during the pandemic to ensure American would not just survive, but also be in a position to thrive on the other side of it. And I'm very pleased that Derek will remain as American, Vice Chair and continue to lead our American Eagle and cargo teams and serve as a strategic advisor to the company. As we look forward to 2023, we remain focused on running a reliable operation, achieving sustained profitability and reducing debt. We have made tremendous progress in all three of these areas, thanks to Derek's leadership, and we will continue to sharpen that focus with Devon May as our CFO. And on behalf of the entire American Airlines team, I want to thank Derek for his leadership and tremendous contributions to the airline as our CFO. And now, I'll hand it over to Derek.
Derek Kerr :
Well. Thank you, Robert. Thanks for your kind words. I really appreciate it. It's been an honor, tremendous honor to serve as CFO of American, U.S. Airways and America West over the past 20 years. I'm incredibly proud of what the team has accomplished in that time. Now on to the business of the morning. Excluding special items, we reported a fourth quarter net income of $827 million or earnings of $1.17 per diluted share. We produced our best fourth quarter pre-tax margin since 2016 when we produced roughly the same results at fuel prices that were nearly double the price per gallon lower than 2022. Throughout 2022, you heard us talk about our focus on returning the airline to profitability, and we have done that. We achieved a full year profit due to continued demand strength and the hard work of our team, despite a $1.9 billion pre-tax loss in the first quarter. Excluding net special items, we produced a full year net income of $328 million or $0.50 per diluted share. Fourth quarter revenue far exceeded our initial guidance due to continued strong demand. Revenue in the fourth quarter was higher than any fourth quarter in company history. As Robert mentioned, the domestic and short-haul international entities continue to lead the way, and we expect further improvement in long-haul international as we continue to grow back our capacity. Costs for the quarter, excluding fuel came in at the high end of our initial guidance range, primarily due to higher profit sharing expense driven by higher earnings in the quarter. American is proud to operate the simplest, youngest and efficient fleet among U.S. network carriers. In August, we began taking deliveries of our new 788 aircraft from Boeing for the first time in 15 months. In the fourth quarter, we took delivery of five 788s, and we expect to receive the remaining four in the first half of 2023. Our Boeing 789s are expected to be delivered starting in 2024. During the fourth quarter, we also took delivery of seven A321neos, three E175s and reactivated five 737-8s from long-term storage. In 2023, we expect to take delivery of two A321neos, and we plan to reactivate nine more 738s from long-term storage. Based on our latest guidance from Boeing, we now expect to take delivery of 17 737 MAX 8s in 2023 compared to Boeing's contractual commitment of 27 deliveries. This change in timings will shift planned CapEx out of 2023 and into future years. Our 2023 aircraft CapEx is now expected to be approximately $1.5 billion. Repairing our balance sheet remains a top priority, and our actions in the fourth quarter show our commitment to debt reduction. In the fourth quarter, we repaid $1.2 billion term loan secured by domestic slots. This prepayment increased estimated first lien borrowing capacity to $10.3 billion and addressed our most significant 2023 maturity. With the actions we have taken, we have now reduced our total debt by $8.2 billion or more than half of our goal to reduce total debt by $15 billion by the end of 2025, only 18 months into our deleveraging program. We ended the year with $12 billion of total available liquidity. We will continue to balance both debt reduction opportunities and investments in the business while meeting appropriate target liquidity levels. We will target $10 billion to $12 billion of total liquidity in the medium term and intend to utilize excess liquidity to accelerate our deleveraging initiative at the appropriate time. With no meaningful maturity towers until 2025, we have the flexibility as to how and when we begin to address those instruments. With that, I'm happy to turn the call over to our new CFO, Devon May, who will share our outlook for 2023. Devon has more than 20 years of airline industry experience across finance, operations, network planning and alliances, and he is the perfect person to lead our finance organization going forward. He has been an integral part of our executive team for more than a decade and has built a great team around him. The CFO transition has been and will continue to be a seamless one. With that, I'll turn it over to Devon.
Devon May :
Thank you, Derek, and good morning, everyone. Before we get into our guidance, I want to start by thanking Derek for his leadership over the past 20 years. I've had the privilege of working with Derek since 2002 when I joined America West Airlines. He has been a close brand and mentor during this time, and our airline is set up well for the future because of his leadership. I'm honored to be taking on the CFO role and being part of an incredible senior leadership team. I look forward to leading the finance team and building on the progress we've made on our financial priorities. For 2023, we will continue to size the airline for the resources we have with a focus on reliability and sustained profitability. We continue to expect to produce capacity that is 95% to 100% of 2019 levels or up approximately 5% to 8% year-over-year. We are on track to hire over 2,000 mainline pilots in 2023, and we expect to achieve our run rate level of training throughput in the back half of this year, allowing for further aircraft utilization improvements in 2024. We continue to expect regional pilot affordability to be constrained throughout this year and next. Demand for air travel strengthened as we went through 2022, and we expect industry revenue will return to its historical share of GDP in 2023. Given our level of capacity production, the strength of our network and industry supply constraints, we expect total unit revenue to be up low single digits year-over-year. For the full year, we expect CASMx to be up 2% to 5% versus 2022. These projections include the estimated impact of anticipated labor agreements, which account for roughly 3 points of CASMx fuel. For the full year, we expect to produce earnings of $2.50 to $3.50 per diluted share. Using the midpoint of that EPS guidance, we are forecasting operating cash flows of approximately $5.5 billion and free cash flow of nearly $3 billion. Looking to the first quarter, we expect to produce an operating margin of between 2.5% and 4.5% based on our current demand and fuel price forecast. And while we are eager to get new labor agreements ratified given where we are at in the quarter and the time required for ratification, we do not anticipate ratifying new contracts prior to the end of the first quarter. If that does occur, we will update our guidance accordingly. In the first quarter, continued strength in demand is expected to result in total revenue per available seat mile that is 24% to 27% higher year-over-year. Our first quarter CASM, excluding fuel and net special items, is expected to be flat to down 3% year-over-year. The current fuel forecast for the first quarter assumes a fuel price of between $3.33 and $3.38 per gallon and a full year price of between $3 and $3.10 per gallon. As Derek noted earlier, we'll continue to focus on debt reduction, and I'm proud of the progress we have made to date. In 2023, we expect to make further progress on our $15 billion debt reduction goal. We will use our free cash flow to pay down $3.3 billion in debt amortization this year, and we expect that by the end of 2023, we will have reduced total debt by $10 billion to $11 billion from peak levels in mid-2021. Based on the forecast I just provided, we expect that by the end of the first quarter, we will have lower net debt and better net debt to EBITDAR than we did at the end of 2019. And by the end of the year, we anticipate having the lowest net debt-to-EBITDA ratio we have had since 2017. In conclusion, in 2023, we will continue to focus on delivering on our stated objectives. We are set up to run a reliable airline, grow margins and strengthen the balance sheet. Importantly, American is uniquely positioned to deliver substantial free cash flow in 2023. The confidence in our ability to execute on these goals is due to our world-class network and incredible team. With that, let's open the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Helane Becker of Cowen.
Helane Becker :
Derek, I'm going to miss you, but good to know that you'll still be at the company.
Derek Kerr :
Thanks, Helane.
Helane Becker :
Sorry about Michigan. So here's…
Derek Kerr:
Just business, Helane.
Helane Becker :
Yes. Yes. So here's my question actually. Two. The first one is on CapEx. The one -- the guidance that you gave for CapEx seems low in light of the fact that you're taking four 787-8s this year. Is that a mix where it's leased versus owned in there?
Devon May:
Hi, Helane. Yes. This is Devon. That is what's happening with CapEx this year. So we're taking delivery of 23 airplanes, four of those are 788s, which are direct leased. So those four are not included in the CapEx guidance.
Helane Becker :
Okay. All right. That's very helpful. And then just for my follow-up question. As you're thinking about long haul international, do you see in your bookings -- I think you mentioned that you think it will improve as the year goes on, do you see that in bookings that's already starting to occur at some point in first or second quarter?
Vasu Raja:
Hi, Helane. This is Vasu. Yes is the short answer. We very much see it in bookings. It's -- we started seeing it, frankly, in Q4 of last year. In Q1, we see continued strength across all of the geographies that we have and that's continuing out into the summer. So we are very encouraged by the trends that we're seeing, all the more encouraged because it is coming often at lower cost of sale, and we're still filling business class cabins and things like that.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Catherine O'Brien of Goldman Sachs. .
Catherine O'Brien :
I also want to add my congrats to Derek on a wonderful career. And then just on your operational performance really stood out during the issues the industry experienced over the holidays. Obviously, it wasn't anything geographical considering what happens to some of your peers. So can you walk us through what you think drove it? Were there investments being made behind the scenes over the last couple of years that maybe just got smaller billing in the aircraft investments?
Robert Isom :
Catherine, thanks. Hey, we're really proud of the operating performance. I'll tell you, it's something that we've been working on a long time. And it starts with making sure that we have the resources available to fly the schedule and we don't put out a schedule that we're not confident that we can really fly. That's where we start. And then, yes, it's investments in so many different places. We benefit from having the youngest, most efficient fleet of aircraft. We spent a tremendous amount of time investing in technology to make sure that we can identify where our crews and our planes and our maintenance requirements are. But really, I want to give credit to the team here. We have so much experience on board that we're just really watchful, and it all came together over the holidays. The investments that we've made, the team that we have out there, making sure that we have the right schedule. I've got David Seymour here as well. I probably want to add to it. Look, there's a lot of good decision-making going on out there, too.
David Seymour :
Yes, Robert, emphasizing the point you talked about. But another key item here is for these storms and we've been very focused on recovery after that because it's so critical to us is one that I think throughout this year, we're doing better and better on and we certainly showed that over the holiday. But the key for us, along with having more new positions that we put in that are focused when we have storms like this. We've changed a lot of our processes and procedures that we -- and how we manage these. And then we've also been partnering with our IT group and really enhancing some of the technology resources that we have to manage through these events because they change very dynamically and very quickly, and we have to stay in front of them. But more importantly is the recovery. We started looking at the forward look of what the storm potentially could be and started building our recovery plan before the storm yet, and that's where we're very focused on. So again, as Robert said, very proud of the team, very proud of the partnership with all the whole airline because it's not just operations. It's a lot of our support groups that are very critical to us getting through these. So there's a great job. We're going to continue to improve on that.
Robert Isom:
And Catherine, it just -- it speaks to what we're going to be focused on going forward as well. It's still reliability and profitability here, and we're going to try to get better every day. Today, we have another 5,000-plus flights and 0.5 million customers that we have to service. And so we make it make it our business to take care of people every day. So we're back out there in business. .
Catherine O'Brien :
That's great. That's a group color. If I could just sneak one more in. Maybe for Vasu. Can you just help us think about some of the assumptions that drive your full year revenue outlook? Like what are the assumptions on business international recovery? Is there an assumption in there that the industry is going to pass on higher price of labor and fuel on a one-one basis? Just any thoughts to drive the full year revenue outlook?
Vasu Raja:
Absolutely. I would be happy to do that. Look, first of all, in our revenue forecast, we don't assume any change to some of the fundamentals of airline demand. We presume that airline industry revenues will regain its historical relationship with GDP, roughly about a point of percent. We also presume the same historical relationship between revenue and fuel prices. But what is very important is that as we've talked about for some time, what's different about us is that we have used the last few years to really materially change our network, our partnerships and our fleet and that really bleeds through in our forecast for next year. If you compare our capacity mix just in future schedules that we have published to what we did in 2019. We've taken 5 points of capacity out of our lowest RASM, lowest-margin long-haul flights, and we've grown 5 points of capacity in our highest-margin short-haul flights. Additionally, within the short-haul system, we've taken 5 points of capacity from some of our lowest performing, lowest RASM market and redeployed it into our Sunbelt hub, which are not just our highest RASM market, but some of the highest rosin markets in the industry. So when you think about that, that's 10 points of capacity mix that we've taken from truly the lowest RASM, lowest margin things and put into some of the highest margin things that that are out there. And you're seeing some of that trend already through '20. So that was a thing that have been in our past schedules. You see it in our quarter one schedules, and that drives a lot of our revenue performance. Now to put that into a bit of focus, 10 points of capacity in an airline of our size. You can think of that as larger than just about any airline hub with the exception of DFW, Charlotte and maybe one or two other hubs that our competitors operate. So that is a material reworking of our airline network over the last few years. But what's just as important is how we have done it, which is really to a significant amount of fleet simplification. So we -- over the last few years, we've shed 50 long-haul capable airplanes, many of which were really inefficient, like the 757 to 767. We've up-gauged both the regional jet and the main lines that we've got. And we've simplified the airline down to four fleet types. So what that enables us to do is in the fleet that's left, we can much more dynamically alter schedules to follow where the demand is. But we can produce schedules that, as you heard David and Robert talk about, are a lot more operable and frankly, a lot more efficient. So we've seen the benefits of that in our recent revenue performance, and we anticipate the benefits of that in the year ahead.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker of JPMorgan.
Jamie Baker :
First, Derek, what a run you've had, just wanted to wish you the very best from the JPMorgan team as you transition. I still remember hanging up on you on October 24, 2003. Apologies again for that. Hopefully, it's…
Derek Kerr :
Thanks, Jamie.
Jamie Baker :
A question for Vasu. So Southwest cited passenger cancellations didn't book away as part of its first quarter guide this morning. I'm wondering what the benefit for American in Dallas and Chicago might look like? And whether you see share tapering back to pre-December levels in March? Or do you think there's possibly a longer tail to any Southwest benefit that you might be picking up? After all, I mean you're on time and -- excuse me, you're on time and completion factors obviously speak for themselves over the holidays.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Hey, Jamie, thanks for the question. Look, we don't see any recognizable benefit from what other airlines are doing. For us, it really is as simple as when we go put the flights in places people want to go and operate it well. The bookings come the revenue materializes. And there's really not a lot of facts that we can point to beyond that very simple truth.
Jamie Baker :
Okay. Fair enough. And a follow-up, Doug wasn't shy in discussing hub profitability, L.A., Miami and JFK being the real drags on margin, D.C., Charlotte, Dallas, the obvious standouts. And L.A. has obviously seen some rationalization. You have NEA contribution up here in my neck of the woods. I'm just wondering whether your internal model shows the range between your most and least profitable hubs narrowing? And if so, what the specific drivers might be?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. So the short story is we do see an improvement in very many of our hubs as we've gone and restructured the network. And in some cases, like look, as you think about partnerships for us, we don't see those very differently from how we think about our own airline network. But when you put a codeshare flight number or an American Airlines operated flight number, it has the same effect of creating more network for customers, and there's a real benefit for it. But as much as anything -- there's two things going on. One, demographically, we see so much growth in the interior of the country. And two, what is really driving our hub profitability is for a great number of cities American Airlines has the best network for so many customers. There's 300 cities that we serve today. In 2019, we served roughly the same amount of cities. Most of our competitors have actually shrunk the number of cities that we've served. But furthermore, within the city that we have in about 200 of those 300 cities, we have a material schedule advantage to other airlines that operate there. So that creates an effect that is actually really beneficial across all of the hubs in our network, and indeed, some of how we see hub profitability and how these hubs work together has changed materially through the pandemic. And to my earlier comment, that's why we've restructured so much of the airline network as we have.
Vasu Raja:
Jamie, you mentioned Los Angeles. So I'd like to pass you to expand on that a little bit. Look, in Los Angeles, we're within a limited amount of gates. And let's face it, we need to use those. We need to use those in a way that's profitable. We've taken a look at that. But we can tell you the kind of changes we make. Well, yes, look, in L.A. much like in New York, through our partnerships, we've been able to create something really cool for customers where -- if you think about it in the times past, we flew 50 seaters and small RJs in markets where we didn't really have a scheduled proposition for customers. And in both of those markets, take it L.A. and New York. Effectively, what we've done is we've turned 50 seaters, which are not particularly efficient and long haulers. 777s that are flying a whole lot further. So we've up-gauged in both of those markets materially. We've been able to use partnerships to go and offer a much broader network for customers. And now we're in this place where lo and behold, we're adding a third LA Heathrow because it's really -- to Robert's point, a very efficient way to go use gates and leverage what we've got with customers. In New York, so much of our growth is actually powered by long-haul flights that are flying within the partnerships that we have with Qatar, British Airways. And the net effect of that has been really positive outside of really good financial results, which we see in our revenue trends. For the first time ever, our top 2 markets for AAdvantage enrollments are New York and Los Angeles. We're signing up more credit cards there. We are originating -- we're having growing originating market share in those places. So a lot of what we've done is, frankly, up-gauge in those markets. We've gotten a lot smarter about what we do for customers. Yet at the same time, there are partnerships we can offer them so much more.
Jamie Baker :
I'll sound like a broken record, but thank you yet again for such a thorough response.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Scott Group of Wolfe Research.
Scott Group :
So if I just look at the first quarter TRASM guide versus Q4 implies a much sort of bigger drop than normal sequentially Q4 to Q1. And just any thoughts, color there? And then I want to kind of ask that in the context of fuel. So spots obviously a lot higher than what you're guiding to. What's your confidence that you can recapture fuel with higher TRASM than you're already guiding to for the year?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Scott, this is Vasu. I'll start. I think Devon we'll finish this one out. Look, First and foremost, as we're starting this year, we have been really encouraged by demand trends. Historically, the first three weeks coming out of the holiday season are our strongest sales weeks these first three weeks have been the strongest that we've seen in the post-merger airline. And we're really encouraged by that. And you see that, of course, in our TRASM guide out there. Now what is interesting though is as we are building first quarter, what is different from times past is we have been very conscious in Q1 about how we use the airlines resources. It's people, it's planes, it's facilities, everything, largely so that we can have as much of that capacity for the summer peak as possible. So when you look at our Q1, we have peaked the airline a lot less than what we had historically. It's at a lower percentage of Q2 than what it's historically been. And that's really a conscious design. And you see that is really what you see in our Q4 to Q1 change that's there. And that's sort of a unique thing. And to my earlier point, we don't presume any change to the historical relationship between airline revenues and fuel prices. But Devon may want to add more to that, too.
Devon May :
Just really quick other comment on fuel price. So our -- fuel price forecast is based on Friday's close, where Brent was trading almost exactly where it's at today and then using the forward curve for Brent and he crack from there. So I think our forecast that we have delivered today is pretty much in line with where you always have or feel of that today.
Scott Group :
Okay. And then just separately, can you just give any color on what you're assuming for the cargo and other revenue and then the non-op expense is up a good amount from the Q4 run rate? Any color there?
Devon May :
Yes, this is Devon. So just on cargo revenue, we are expecting it to be down slightly year-over-year. When it comes to non-op, the largest change we're seeing in non-op is due to a noncash pension credit that we got last year based on the prior year's market performance of our pension assets, and what were relatively low interest rates. This year, we saw interest rates increase. Pension assets came down and so this noncash credit that was fairly significant in 2022 is much smaller in 2023. And that's something that I'm sure you're hearing from other companies and seen in other industries.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank.
Michael Linenberg :
Hey, Derek. I'm going to miss you. I know you're going to still do the company, but we've had a lot of fun over the years. Anyway.
Derek Kerr :
Thanks, Mike.
Michael Linenberg :
Next drink is on me.
Derek Kerr:
Boston trip, never forget the Boston.
Michael Linenberg :
Anyway. Just -- I have two here, if I could just start off with Vasu because I think we're trying to get our arms around the run-up in fuel and the pass-through. And I think Delta is out there sort of guiding to 50 -- or well, to exceed 60% of their revenue in premium and ancillary. And I think right now, they're in the mid-50s. And when I think about those revenue segments, many of them come with a price elasticity of demand that's less than 1. Many of them are the types of segments where you can have a fuel surcharge. And so Vasu, as you think about it, like sort of what percentage of your routes maybe are subject to fuel surcharges, whether they're international long haul or which ones are premium corporate, cargo. How should we think about like in round numbers, maybe what percent of your revenue where you stand a very good chance of passing on 100% of horizon fuel? Sort of where do you sit there? And just any color on how you guys think about it?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Hey, Mike, it's a great question. Look, I would actually even simplify it further. Look, in the airline network business, if you can offer something unique to the customer, they pay you a premium for it. It is as simple as that. And so -- and we see it time and time again, we've seen it do the pandemic the most unique thing we can offer customers is to take them to places where our competitors can't have better schedules than what our competitors can do. So as long as that's the case, we find that those routes regardless of whether customers purchase a transaction, which is first class or an economy or fly for leisure business, they always have yields that index to the top of our system. So if you think about us, right, to my earlier point, in 200 of the 300 cities that we serve in the Western Hemisphere, we have a material schedule advantage. But when you look at it on the number of origin and destination markets that we make and that turns into like something like 65% to 70% of our origin and destination markets. We have a material advantage over what our competitors are. That is what drives our revenue performance. And unsurprisingly, demand at large for the airline product is relatively inelastic. But in so many of those places, it is inelastic. We're also further benefited by just general trends that we're seeing so much of what is driving the economy and likely to continue to do so, are markets in the Sunbelt and the interiors of the country and less so the coastal markets, which creates an immediate benefit for American Airlines. So we've benefited from that. We've benefited from how we can uniquely serve it, are likely to continue to be able to uniquely serve it. And when fuel prices rise, it's a really simple thing for us, with any number of ways to go and manage capacity down as the airline continues to produce.
Michael Linenberg :
Very good. And then just second question to Robert. All the talk about capacity constraints across the aviation ecosystem. And as I think about American, it feels like things like pilots and mechanics. Maybe that's not an issue. If you sort of think about like what are the big hurdles that you have from a constraint issue? And is it just that maybe you don't have enough wide-body airplanes and therefore, it's an issue with the OEMs delivering the airplanes that you need? Is it air traffic control, like where are you -- sort of where are the roadblocks that you're running into with respect to constraint in the aviation ecosystem?
Robert Isom :
Yes. Mike, thanks for that. And yes, we're in a environment of a lot of constraints coming out of the pandemic. We certainly saw everything last year, it's just things that we never thought we would have issues with pillows and link is in food and fuelers and things like that. We've gotten our arms around a lot of that. But what we have now is aircraft manufacturers that are just starting to get their feedback under them. I mentioned that Boeing is starting to deliver aircraft to shout out to the Boeing team and Dave Calhoun, we need them to keep it up. But there's constraints out there in terms of engines and aircraft. With -- at American right now, we have really an issue with regional aircraft and then some issue with mainline aircraft. On the regional side, it's largely a pilot constraint. And we're not flying the fleet that we'd like to. Vasu would actually like to deploy more aircraft. Now on that front, it's pretty explainable. It's just a shortfall in pilots. We didn't attract people into the business for a couple of years. And we're working our way through that as we have retirements that are coming out the other side. American took the monumental step last year of greatly increasing regional pilot pay. And I think that, that is the biggest thing that any company can do and has done to actually get the pump prime and people flowing back in. And we're seeing that. We're seeing that we've stabilized the pilot ranks at our regionals, and we see potential growth as we come through the end of the year. Now from a mainline perspective, look, we're going through the greatest training cycle of pilots that we've ever experienced. We had, I think, almost 900 retirements last year, probably nearly the same number this year. So we're stretching our training resources like we've never before. But fortunately, we plan for this. And so from an equipment perspective, like simulators, we've got those in place. One of the things that we're really working on is to make sure that we have the people resources and having the check pilots that we need to really address all of our training needs. And I'm hopeful that as we work with the APA and we get a new contract, but we'll be able to give even more flexibility. But overall, I do see from a mainline perspective, we should be through the constraints that related to pilots as we progress through the year. Regionals probably take a couple of years. But as we said, we have aircraft that we can deploy and will, and it's going to be done in a very efficient fashion. You mentioned some other areas that are absolutely positively out on the horizon, the large airports all have constraints, whether that's at the gate or on the airfield. And then we have aerospace issues. That clearly, we need to address. And that's going to take leadership. And fortunately, we're working with the DOT and FAA. And I know that the Secretary Buttigieg has an interest like we all do in making sure that we can invest for the future. And it's going to take a long-term view. But overall, look, these constraints right now are things that we're managing through. I think it bodes well, at least from a demand environment and being able to ensure that we can achieve profitability. And over the long run, we're going to make sure that we have a business model that works in any demand environment with any set of constraints.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Conor Cunningham of Melius Research.
Conor Cunningham :
Thank you. And congrats, Derek and Devon. It's great to hear. Just back to Jamie's question on the operation and maybe some of the Southwest issue. I'm just curious if you could speak to the converse, how your conversation with your corporate partners has evolved given your just operational strength. Like I would imagine it would be a lot easier in these days, but can you just talk about how that's how that's changed at all and what your expectation is for new contracts and so on.
Robert Isom :
Conor, I'll start, and I'm going to hand it straight off to Vasu. But I'll tell you what. One thing that hasn't changed is that reliability it translates into likely to recommend. It translates into Net Promoter Scores. And we see it over the holidays and as we really progressed through last year and and got reliability to a really high level, our scores have improved to the highest levels that we've seen. So those are the kind of things that I think that our corporate customers are interested in as well. Vasu?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Robert, it's 100% right. And -- so first, I'll say, for our customers at large, they clearly benefit from a better operation, and we see it -- for the year, we -- as Robert said, we posted our best likelihood to recommend scores by a meaningful amount in any time post-merger. And that's no action. That is the operation. But what's really important out there is, yes, many of our corporate partners are encouraged. But what's really important -- and this links back to some of the other questions is that also the marketplace has changed very meaningfully. As I mentioned on our last call, we see the same trends where roughly 30% of our revenues are coming from what we've historically called leisure. About 45% are blended trips. Only about 25% of what we've historically called business trips. And of that 25% -- historically, that number would have been about 35%. So it shifted a lot. And within the 25% only about 5 to 7 points of that are coming from contracted corporations. The rest are non-contracted, unmanaged businesses who are flying on us. And what we see amongst those contracted corporations is quite striking. Almost 2/3 to 75% of our corporate contracts are actually not fulfilling the terms of their contracts for understandable reasons. For so many companies, if you're struggling to bring people back to the office, it's hard to compel them to go do a day trip to Chicago or New York. And so we see that broadly. And so even though many customers are happy with our service and many corporate travel buyers are very happy with our service. The reality is same-day corporate business trips, which used to be 3% to 4% of our traffic is less than 1% of our traffic. And that's been out there for a while, and we are planning that that's going to be the new one.
Conor Cunningham :
Okay. Great. That's one. And then on the -- if you're talking about free cash flow, again, that's obviously great to hear. I'm just curious how your expectation for future aircraft deliveries has changed. Are you -- should we expect that we're going to start paying cash for these planes going forward? I realize that your CapEx budget is lower. But just curious on how you're thinking about financing those aircraft in the future.
Devon May :
Yes. This year is a low point for aircraft CapEx. We'll see it come up a little bit next year and then get back to a type capital expenditures as we get out into 2024, 2025. In terms of financing, it's going to be dependent on where the market is at. And so -- yes, there is potential opportunity that we may pay cash for some airplanes, but it's dependent on what sort of free cash flow we are delivering and what sort of market rates we're able to achieve.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of David Vernon of Bernstein.
David Vernon :
Robert, I wanted to ask you about how we're exiting 2023 on the cost side. You guys have been running a pretty clean operation and the margins are obviously pretty healthy. I'm just wondering how much baggage are you carrying in the 2023 outlook from lower productivity, more full training classrooms. Is there a way to think about what that penalty would be from a unit cost perspective because of some of those lingering effects of restoring the network embedded inside of the 2023 guidance?
Robert Isom :
Well, I'm going to ask Devon to help me ask. But David, I would tell you that I think the biggest issue that we have right now is that we have aircraft that we could be utilizing it at a much higher level. And absolutely positively we're going through some training cycles that are just unprecedented. And as the hiring is going on at American right now, that is going to over time stabilize, and we won't have to work those assets quite as hard. Biggest thing right now is aircraft. Devon, do you want to give some numbers on what you think that...?
Devon May :
Yes. I'd just say for aircraft utilization, we are just starting to approach historical levels. So just starting to approach our 2019 levels of aircraft utilization as we get through this year. So like we've talked about, this is a fleet that should be able to produce higher aircraft utilization than the fleet we had prior to the pandemic. Just recall prior to the pandemic, we had a lot of older aircraft, smaller sub fleets that have really high spare ratios. So even though we will likely put more into operational support than we would have planned to a year or two ago, we still think this is a fleet that can produce significantly higher utilization than what we're doing today.
David Vernon :
Okay. I mean the leverage on the aircraft ownership cost is pretty straightforward. But as you think about increasing that utilization, Can you talk about the impact on the -- at the margin on costs and things like labor and the rest of the business? I'm just trying to get a lot of questions about scalability and and how unit cost should be moving as we're thinking about -- not just '23, but also '23 and '24. Any added color there would be helpful.
Devon May :
Yes. I think just as Robert said, there's certainly some more operating leverage in the business. And I'm asking specifically about the salary line or the training headwinds. I think that is absolutely a part of it as we get through this year and get our training throughput to a level that it should be. I think we are going to see some efficiencies on that side. Through the rest of the P&L, yes, there's opportunities as we increase aircraft utilization in areas like airport rent and landing fees, and that type of thing.
Robert Isom:
And in maintenance. When you have aircraft that sit on the ground, especially within our regional fleets, it's not as if those don't require maintenance. So look, the fleet meant to be flown and whether it's things like rents and landing fees, maintenance, those are the areas that I would probably look to most as being opportunities for us to see much greater efficiency.
David Vernon :
All right. And then one last real quick one. Free cash flow should be something like 130% of net income -- in this -- based on the guidance today. As you think about the go-forward look, I'm just curious about the -- whether you're able to use the losses in the last couple of years. How long is that going to affect sort of cash taxes? And where do you think cash taxes are going to start to become a part of the equation here? Is that a '24, '25, '26 thing? Or is that like any sense of when that might kick in?
Devon May :
Yes. We don't expect to be CapEx payers in that period for at least through 2026.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Didora of Bank of America.
Andrew Didora :
It's Andrew Didora. Just in terms of the balance sheet and the debt pay down, how the $8 billion gross paydown done thus far? Am I doing my calculations right, is about $3.5 billion of that coming from the pension? And then of the $15 billion kind of total gross debt paydown number, how much of that do you assume is just a reduction of pension benefit? .
Devon May :
Yes. So that is the right calculation. So in the summer of 2021, when we had historically low interest rates, our pension obligation is obviously significantly higher. It's been around $2 billion at the end of 2022. By the end of 2025, where we've set our $15 billion goal is still right around that number, maybe a little bit lighter based on expected asset returns and the pension contributions going to make.
Andrew Didora :
Got it. And I know you've answered a lot of questions in terms of asset utilization, hiring and things like that. But as you sit here today for your 2023 capacity plan, do you have the pilots and the aircraft in-house to hit that plan? Or does the plan require additional hiring and additional kind of deliveries from the OEMs relative to plan in order to hit that capacity goal?
Devon May :
We'll be hiring pilots throughout the year. We feel really good, though, about the hiring forecast we have and what we're expecting for training throughput. In terms of deliveries, as we talked earlier, we do expect to take 23 aircrafts this year. Those deliveries would be required to hit this plan. I think we've taken a pretty conservative approach to what we have for in-service dates. And we feel like this is the plan we're going to be able to hit.
Robert Isom :
Yes. And Andrew, that's -- look, this is -- Vasu and Devon get together to build the network and work with David and see more on our operating capacity. We're being really mindful of making sure that we have the resources to fly the schedule. So there's a confidence factor that we're using in that as well.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth :
Congrats to Derek and Devon. Just to follow-up, just where you left off there. I think at one point last year, I believe you paused mainline hiring because of the pilot training throughput and the pilot training lead times. Can you just mark to market like did you restart hiring? When did you restart hiring? And how many incremental do you need to hire to hit your growth plan this year?
Devon May :
Yes. So we were hiring ahead of needs and training throughput as we got later in the year. So we did pause hiring for most of the month of December, I believe. That hiring has resumed here in January. Our expectations are we're going to hire around 2,000 pilots for this year and probably a little bit on the higher end as we get through the year and training capacity continues to increase.
Duane Pfennigwerth :
Okay. And then just most of my questions have been asked, but just an aircraft financing question. So hypothetically, if you had $100 million in aircraft CapEx and you debt finance that, where do you see LTVs? So is it -- is it $80 million or $85 million that would go on the balance sheet. Where do you see LTVs and cost of debt today? And alternatively, if you lease that $100 million of growth CapEx how much would go on the balance sheet in the form of an operating lease liability?
Devon May :
Okay. There's a lot to that. I'll say our treasury team right now, we have 23 deliveries, 12 of which are already financed. So our financing requirements for the remainder of this year, are pretty limited. But those are all the factors they're going to be looking at is what sort of rates are embedded in the operating leases that are in the market today, what the LTV, we can get on the debt. What's happening with the rest of the balance sheet and our free cash flow and they're going to make the right economic decision. So we have a great treasury team. They're looking at these remaining nine aircraft we need to finance for this year and looking out to 2024 as well.
Duane Pfennigwerth :
Okay. I mean, fair enough. It's not like if you will, or if you won't. It's -- if you do debt finance $100 million in CapEx, where is the market in terms of that LTV and cost of debt today?
Devon May :
Yes. It's something that obviously, we expect is going to move around over the next handful of months. I don't have a number that I'm ready to give right here today, but it's something we're going to stay tight with. And we have a team that knows the market well.
Operator:
Our final analyst question before we open the line to media comes from Ravi Shanker of Morgan Stanley.
Ravi Shanker :
So one short-term and one long-term question. The short-term question is -- it's good to hear that you said you're having your best ever post-holiday booking period so far this year. Can you just expand a little bit more? Are you seeing any changes in customer behavior? Are they flying to different destinations? Are they looking to maybe kind of downgrade their tickets or look for more flexibility, kind of any signs at all of any change in customer behavior or kind of in where macro is?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, we are seeing some changes in customer behavior. People are -- especially leisure travelers are looking even further out. We see that the blended customers are also much more willing to book further out. And third, we see that customers, especially blended customers or people purchasing a blended trip are more willing to buy higher-value fair products and shop direct with us. So we continue to see a world where roughly 60-ish percent of our revenues are coming direct to us through our dotcom and mobile app, and we see that continuing to grow. Furthermore, as those blended trips come in to our, as we call them, owned channels, 70% of the people shopping for the lowest fare end up buying a higher fare than that. So we're encouraged by that. And then as far as where people are flying, I suppose that's pretty simple, too. They're flying everywhere they possibly can, except for places in Asia.
Ravi Shanker :
That's great to hear. And maybe just a follow-up. You guys have come a really long way kind of in the last year kind of since where everyone was doing the pandemic. But the markets may be not recognizing that. So I'm wondering if there's any plan to kind of host an Analyst Day to kind of give us a kind of a long-term plan on strategic priorities, long-term financial guidance as such?
Robert Isom :
Ravi, thanks for that question. The answer to that is, look, we've been really pleased with the work that we've done throughout the pandemic and setting American up. And the answer to your question is yes, we're going to get out and make sure that people know our story. More details on that as time progresses, but you'll hear more from us on that.
Operator:
At this time, we'd like to open the line to our media questions. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Mary Schlangenstein of Bloomberg.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Good morning, everybody, and congratulations to Derek and Devon. I wanted to ask a couple of business-related questions quickly. On your business travel, whether it's corporate managed or not, do you anticipate any impact from the growing number of companies that are laying off workers, particularly in high tech, but also now extending to some manufacturing companies? And then my second question is, is your expectation that this shift to blended trip is, in fact, the structural change within the industry and will not diminish going forward in terms of at least as far out as you can see?
Vasu Raja:
Thanks, Mary. This is Vasu. And I'll answer the questions in reverse order. First, look, there is -- we do see a meaningful change in the trip purposes that people are booking that there's a lot more blended trips even so many people who are searching for what conventionally would have been a business style itinerary. We see it in our dot-com end up selecting something which is pretty unconventional or they stay a Saturday night or they book another person for a midweek trip or something like that. So we do see that. And our credit card partners at Citi see the same thing, too, that demand for travel is still a really strong category and as preserved -- a travel at large has preserved its relationship with GDP, if not somewhat grown a little bit. So that -- there is a meaningful thing we're coming out of the pandemic. There's clearly a value the consumer is placing on travel. Then as far as how layoffs are impacting things, look, what's really important to note about business travel is -- yes, it's 25% of our revenues, but those companies are intending to do the largest the biggest, largest ones tend to buy on a corporate contract. And that's -- so much of that business just really hasn't recovered. And we haven't built an airline plan around it. However, non-contracted business is 100% recovered, contracted business is about 75% recovered. And we don't presume that it grows much further than that. So we aren't seeing a really significant impact, but we also aren't building a plan based on a lot of that demand returning.
Mary Schlangenstein:
And is that 75% recovery for contract? Is that down from prior estimates I thought that you had said perhaps 80% in the past?
Vasu Raja:
It's hovered in the -- sorry, Mary. It's hovered in the 75% to 80% range. And to be conservative, we build our plan around the lower end of that.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay. And that's revenue?
Vasu Raja:
Correct.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Leslie Josephs of CNBC.
Leslie Josephs:
Curious what your hiring needs are outside of the unionized groups like the offices? And if you're seeing any one apply or maybe you can benefit from some of the tech layoffs? And then secondly, with your plans to do this High-J configuration cabin, are you planning to increase staffing at all of cabin crews to kind of handle the more high touch service and more passengers in that cabin.
Robert Isom :
Leslie, I'll start and Cole Brown, our Chief People Officer, can help me out. Look, the hiring at American is really at unprecedented levels. You mentioned our pilot hiring, yes, we anticipate 2,000 pilots this year. But over the last two years, and Cole, correct me, I think we've hired almost 40,000 people, which is across all groups. We have a view that we're going to bring folks in, make sure that they're really well trained. But it really is throughout all of our operations and headquarters and administrative staff, and we're going to bring the best and the brightest in. So Cole, do you want to add anything to that?
Mecole Brown :
Yes, Robert. I would just add to your point that we are taking a hard and thoughtful look as it relates to any hiring outside of operations making sure that we're bringing in the best and brightest, but also that we're thinking through not only what our needs are today or where we're going tomorrow. And some of those skill sets might evolve and change. We have an exciting new CIO that's come on board and is taking a really important look at our IT organization. And so more to come. But right now, we feel like we are focused on the right things and being very thoughtful and measured in where we are hiring at the corporate level. And certainly, the focus is the areas that we've previously discussed as well.
Leslie Josephs:
Got it. And then on the staffing for the High-J?
Vasu Raja:
We're really -- this is Vasu. We're really excited for the new High-J product. Our customers love our new business class. And we've gotten great feedback as we've shared concept designs with some of our most loyal customers and our flight attendants. But we haven't yet determined a number of things with how it operates, where it operates, things like that too. So it's a little bit premature right now.
Operator:
Next question comes from the line of Claire Bushey of Financial Times.
Claire Bushey:
I was wondering if you're at all concerned about new regulation in response to perceived increasing unreliability of air travel.
Robert Isom :
Hey, Claire, I'll just start. Look, our primary focus is making sure that we run the best airline we possibly can. That's the way that ultimately we address customers' needs and ensure that our customers are being treated fairly. Of course, we'll work with government authorities to make sure that we're taking care of people in the right fashion. Nate, do you want to add anything? No? Good. Okay.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Doug Cameron of WSJ.
Doug Cameron :
Okay. I've got a hugely loaded question for Devon and Derek and a super quick follow-up for Vasu if you'll let me. The loaded one. You must be relieved that you don't have to finance 100 planes this year given where interest rates are and the bigger of supplier delays. Just on that latter point, what sort of complication does the uncertainty of when you actually get planes as opposed to contractually gating them. What does that do to your ability and choices for aircraft finance options?
Devon May :
Well, you're right. I am happy that we're taking 23 airplanes and 12 of them are already financed this year. I will say we did go through a huge wave of investment prior to the pandemic. And over that period, I think that the timing is obviously fortunate we're in a nice economic environment, a really good environment for financing those airplanes. As we look out to this year, I don't think the timing of the deliveries as it sits today is too concerning with how we're going to finance the airplane -- more than anything, we just want to make sure the airplanes are delivered and in schedule so we can run a great operation and have really solid schedules for our customers. So what we've done on that front is we have planned conservatively within service base that we believe are coming in far later than when we'll actually take delivery of the airplane. And that's something that's going to be really great for customers.
Robert Isom :
Yes. And we continue to work with both Airbus and Boeing to make sure that we encourage them in an appropriate fashion to deliver on time. And I know that they're working hard to make sure that they can meet our needs.
Doug Cameron :
That's great. And just quickly for Vasu. Vasu, are you seeing any kind of scores on the fare and schedule or scheduling front, just given how competitive capacity trends are going? Or is demand just that strong that you aren't seeing anything anywhere?
Vasu Raja:
Thanks for the question. We don't comment on fair and competitive scheduling trends. But I will say we are really encouraged with the demand trends that we see and are very confident in the airline we've set up to go and take care of our customers along the way.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Kyle Arnold of Dallas Morning News.
Kyle Arnold:
You've had some cuts at the regional level or service to some smaller cities. What's your strategy behind the regional served locations right now? And do you think there'll be further cuts as we continue to go through this pilot shortage at the regional level?
Robert Isom :
Hey, Kyle, I'll just start on this. Look, it's really unfortunate that we've had to reduce service anywhere most especially to some of the smaller communities. That's certainly a result of the issues that we faced with pilot staffing at our regional airlines. As I mentioned before, we're working really hard on it. American, I think, has taken the biggest step to get people into the industry of anyone, and I know others have followed us there. That's going to have an impact. We've seen the benefits of those efforts, and we're stabilizing the fleet, and I think that we just grow back from here.
Kyle Arnold:
Is there any outlook on how long there might be constraints at that level?
Robert Isom :
Yes. So I think from a regional perspective, it takes time to get people back into the industry. But again, for anybody that is listening and reading, it's a great time to come into aviation. These are careers. Our pilot careers are ones that are -- can be great quality of life, and also very lucrative as well. And so I think it's an opportunity that as we look to the future, that there are communities that haven't typically been places where we sourced pilots that we're going to look to in the future, we're showing great progress in hiring pilots of color and also female pilots. And I look at that as an opportunity going forward that's going to greatly benefit and really change the face of our flight crews and really looking forward to it. I think it's something that's probably over the course of the next couple of years.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Ted Reed of Forbes.
Ted Reed:
My question is for Robert. Robert, we've been hearing you say for a long time that you're going to make a reliable airline and a profitable airline and you seem to have done that this year or last year. So now I want to know what is the vision for the future? Can American be restored being the greatest airline as it once we perceive? And do you have a path to do that now that you've started to accomplish your other goals?
Robert Isom :
Ted, great to hear from you. Let me just start with this. I'm really pleased with profitable quarters and producing a profit for the full year in 2022. The things that we've talked about doing are the right things. Getting customers to where they want to go, having the broadest network and doing it in a fashion that can produce profits, pay down debt is exactly where we need to go. And off of that platform, I see great things. But what you're going to see from us as certainly in the near term is more of the same, intense focus on reliability and profitability and accountability. And for our customers, that's going to mean we're going to deliver for them, deliver with the best network that Vasu has talked about, making sure that we have a travel rewards program that's best in the industry. We're going to operate with excellence, and it's going to require even greater planning and day-to-day execution. And when things don't go right, and let's face it. We're in a business where all sorts of things can happen. We got to be the best at recovering and you're going to see us continue to invest in that. And along the way, we have the opportunity to really make better use of technology to further digitalize our operations and our customer experience. And Ganesh Jayaram, who's our new CIO, has been charged with executing exactly that. and ultimately, put this all together in a business model that is incredibly efficient improves margins and reduces debt. That's what we're focused on right now. I want to keep the team and their head in the game every day. And really excited about what that means for the future because I do think it means that American is not just more competitive out in the marketplace, but we're going to be more competitive in terms of stock performance as well.
Ted Reed:
Let me just ask a follow-up to that. When you look back at the history of the industry, the people who've been considered the greatest leaders have been the ones who have expanded the airline Wolf candle. And going forward, I don't mean right away, but over the years, can this airline expand maybe more in Asia or places where you're perceived this week?
Robert Isom :
Ted, just first off, just in terms of ego around here, look, we are focused on business and really making sure that we have the capacity to address the opportunities in the marketplace. American has been around for 96 years now. We're coming up on our 100th anniversary in 2026. And I want American to be the airlines that meet the needs of our customers, our communities and our shareholders as well. And so we're focused on that right now. And look, we're really encouraged by what we're seeing.
Operator:
Thank you. That concludes the media Q&A. I will now turn the call back over to Robert Isom for closing remarks.
Robert Isom :
Thanks for that. Thanks, everybody, for listening in. Look, American is in a position of strength, especially as we take a look at coming out of the pandemic. We're poised to recover. We're going to focus on our goals, reliability, profitability, making sure that we reduce our leverage and put American in a position to take advantage of opportunities that come about. We're really encouraged by the results and excited about the opportunities ahead. Thank you very much.
Operator:
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Thank you for standing by, and welcome to American Airlines Group's Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. And now I'd like to turn the call over to your moderator, Head of Investor Relations, Mr. Scott Long. Please go ahead.
Scott Long:
Thanks, Latif [ph]. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group third quarter 2022 earnings conference call. On the call this morning, we have our CEO, Robert Isom; and our Vice Chair and CFO, Derek Kerr. A number of our other senior executives are also on the call for the Q&A session. Robert will start the call this morning with an overview of the third quarter, and Derek will follow with details on the quarter and our operating plans and outlook going forward. After Derek's comments, we'll open the call for analyst questions followed by questions from the media. [Operator Instructions]. And before we begin today, we must state that today's call contains forward-looking statements including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecast of capacity and fleet plans. These statements represent our predictions and expectations of future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release that was issued this morning as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2022. In addition, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release, which can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. And the information we're giving you on this call this morning is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thank you for your interest and for joining us this morning. And with that, I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Robert Isom.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Scott. Good morning, everybody. Thanks for joining us. This morning, American reported a third quarter GAAP net income of $483 million. And excluding net special items, a third quarter net income of $478 million. We produced revenues of $13.5 billion, which sets a new record for any quarter in the history of American Airlines. When I took on the CEO role in March, I told you American was going to do two things this year
Derek Kerr:
Thank you, Robert, and good morning, everyone. I want to start by thanking the American Airlines team for their efforts during the third quarter. Our airline success during the quarter was only possible because of the hard work of our team during a challenging summer. This morning, we reported a third quarter GAAP net income of $483 million, excluding net special items, we reported a net income of $478 million, both equate to earnings of $0.69 per diluted share. Since the beginning of the year, we have been focused on returning the airline to sustained profitability. We are pleased that our third quarter results build on that progress we made in the second quarter. We beat the high end of our initial earnings expectations due to the continuation of the strong demand environment. The third quarter was our highest quarterly revenue in company history, beating the second quarter of this year. The domestic and short-haul international entities continue to lead the revenue recovery, and we expect further improvement in long-haul international as we continue to grow back our capacity. The investments we have made to renew and simplify our fleet position us well for the future. We continue to operate the youngest, most fuel-efficient fleet among U.S. network carriers. In August, we began taking deliveries of new 788 aircraft from Boeing for the first time in 15 months. In the third quarter, we took delivery of four 788, and we expect to receive five the remainder of this year and four in the first half of 2023. Our Boeing 789s are still expected to be delivered starting in 2024. During the quarter, we also took delivery of three A321neos and reactivated six 7378 from long-term storage. In the fourth quarter, we now expect to take delivery of eight A320neos, three E175, in addition to the 5788 I mentioned previously. Based on our latest guidance from Boeing, we now expect to take delivery of 19 737 MAX 8 in 2023 compared to the 27 deliveries that we were previously expected. This change in timing will shift planned CapEx out of 2023 into future years. Our 2023 aircraft CapEx net of leases is now expected to be $1.6 billion. We ended the third quarter with $14.3 billion of total available liquidity, which is $700 million higher than our initial third quarter forecast due to continued forward booking strength seen throughout the quarter. This level of liquidity is more than double the amount we had at the year-end of 2019. Reducing total debt continues to be a top priority, and we remain on track with our target of reducing overall debt levels by $15 billion by the end of 2025. As of the end of the third quarter, we have reduced total debt by $5.6 billion versus the 2021 peak. And as I mentioned last quarter, we expect further benefit from a reduction in our pension liability that will make -- reflected at the end of the year. In the fourth quarter, we expect to make approximately $540 million of scheduled debt and finance lease payments freeing up additional collateral in the process. We maintained our elevated liquidity position throughout the third quarter and continue to balance appropriate target liquidity levels with the expected recovery, debt reduction opportunities and investment in the business. We'll continue to target $10 billion to $12 billion in total liquidity in the medium term and intend to utilize excess liquidity above that level to accelerate our deleveraging initiative at the appropriate time. Looking forward, our next term loan maturity is our $1.2 billion term loan, which does not mature until December of 2023. Looking to the fourth quarter, we expect to produce an operating margin of between 7.5% -- 5.5% and 7.5% based on the current demand and fuel price forecast. We currently expect to produce total revenues that are 11% to 13% higher than the fourth quarter of 2019 on capacity that is 5% to 7% lower than 2019 levels. This continued strength in demand is expected to result in total revenue per available seat mile that is 18% to 20% higher than 2019. Our fourth quarter CASM, excluding fuel and net special items, is expected to be up between 8% and 10% compared to 2019. These higher unit costs versus 2019 are primarily driven by inflationary pressure and lower relative asset utilization. Our current forecast for the fourth quarter assumes fuel between $3.51 and $3.56, which is approximately 70% higher than 2019 levels. Finally, while we are still in the process of building our 2023 operating plans, I'd like to share a few thoughts on our approach. We continue to believe that 2023 demand for air travel will be robust. We currently see no signs of demand slowing as we move into the new year. But as always, we will continue to keep a close eye on the macroeconomic environment and will adjust this plans, if necessary. Importantly, we will continue to size the airline for the resources we have with a focus on reliability and profitability. As we move into 2023, the constraints facing our business today will remain. Those constraints are slower than planned aircraft deliveries and lower utilization of our fleet largely driven by regional pilot constraints. Therefore, based on our preliminary plans, we expect our 2023 capacity will be between 95% and 100% of 2019 levels. We believe this approach to capacity will produce strong profitability and free cash flow, reliable operating performance and allow appropriate levels of flexibility in this very fluid environment. In conclusion, demand for our product is strong and we remain nimble in our planning and execution to ensure we optimize for the environment we're operating in. As we close out 2022 and move into 2023, we're confident in our ability to continue to deliver on our stated objectives of operational reliability and sustained profitability because of our world-class network, efficient fleet and incredible team. With that, I will open up the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of David Vernon of Bernstein. Your line is open.
David Vernon:
Thanks for the time. I was wondering maybe if you could talk a little bit about how the fleet changes you guys have made through the pandemic are sort of impacting operational performance. Obviously, it's going to have an impact on reliability. But also when you think about sort of scheduling the network, maybe getting better utilization, maybe taking some peaks out of the schedule being unconstrained by the directionality of some of the equipment constraints that are in there. Can you just talk a little bit about how that -- those fleet changes have impacted overall productivity and the early signs there?
Robert Isom:
Hey David, thanks for the question, too. And we're really proud of what we were able to do over the pandemic. A bunch of different projects went into place. You know the story about rationalizing the fleet, getting down really from a mainline perspective, down to two types of narrow bodies and two types of wide bodies. We did the same thing in our regional fleet as well. But during the pandemic as well, we accelerated our Cabin Consistency project, that Oasis project where we were able to upsize the 737 and then also make sure that our A320 family were consistent in terms of seating as well. All that work is done. So it's freed up a tremendous amount of resources. But then just in terms of operating, think about everything from not having to carry as many park pools in inventory. Think about pilot training and what's required from going from an FO on one equipment type to another and the simulators that are required for that, the training that's required for that. So look, as we get back to full utilization of our resources that's going to be something that I think pays dividends. You'll start to see it as we get back really to full utilization. And I think that that's something that plays well long into the future. We see it already. I know it's producing better reliability. It's easier for our team. And from a revenue perspective, I'll hand it off to Vasu. I can tell you, it's making his job easier.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. I'll pick up right there, David. I think it's a great question. As we went through the pandemic, a major principle in how we've been planning the airline is to build it in a way where it is as nimble and responsive to demand and is as resilient in the face of crisis. And as you look at that over time, really the wide-body fleet for American Airlines was a strange kind of liability because that's the most volatile part of our business. It's part of our business that our customers have just valued a lot less than our short-haul network. And so for us, as you look out there, we took jets out. And so look at the fourth quarter schedule, we are 15% smaller long-haul airline. But very importantly, what we've also done right is when we have such a big fleet of narrow bodies, we have a lot more flexibility in how we send them. So we've changed our capacity mix pretty materially from pre-pandemic. As we were entering the fourth quarter in 2019, we were about a 70-30 short-haul, long-haul airline. As we enter the fourth quarter now, we're something a lot closer to an 80-20 short-haul, long-haul airline. And that airline that we have is something which is a lot more dynamic. There's fewer fleet types like Robert said, if demand changes, we're much more able to adjust. And quite frankly, the short-haul business is and has been for the last 20 years, a much more durable part of it. And frankly, you see it right now. Right now, long-haul is doing well. At some point in time, it will come down, but short haul remains pretty consistently strong across the business cycle.
David Vernon:
And as you think about that plan to get back to 95% to 100% next year, is that going to get you the full benefit of utilizing the new fleet? Or are we still going to be carrying some additional sort of productivity headwinds from training or resourcing or just underutilization from an hours per aircraft per day kind of thing?
Robert Isom:
David, I'll start. Derek can chime in here, too. It's a good question, but we look at it as upside for the airline. We know that we can find more out of the assets that we have. There are constraints out there, notably pilot constraints, both for the regional side and just the massive amount of training that we have to do on the mainline side. Those constraints are going to be out there. Over time, they'll break free. But we're confident that we can actually get more utilization out of the current fleet to actually get us beyond flying at 100% of 2019 levels. And that's where I think the cost story as the airline gets really interesting. But it's going to take a little bit of time to get to that point.
David Vernon:
All right, thanks a lot for your time guys.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Savi Syth of Raymond James. Your line is open, Savi Syth.
Savanthi Syth:
Hey, good morning everyone. Could you please talk about a little bit more on the hiring and kind of training side on the mainline, where you are on that and kind of expectations as you head into 2023?
Robert Isom:
Sure, Savi. I appreciate the question. Look, we're hiring more pilots this year than we ever have in our history in a given year. So we're looking at hiring almost 2,000 pilots. We're on track to actually accomplish that from a Mainline perspective. So I feel really great about that. But let's face it. Training that many pilots is something we've never done before coming out of the pandemic. We've had to make sure that resources are all in the right spot whether that's additional simulators, resources like that or even things like instructors. So that's all working its way through, and we feel very confident that over time, that our pilot pipeline for the Mainline is very strong and our training resources are absolutely going to match the needs that we have going forward. The regional side of the business is a little bit different. We didn't hire and let's face it, well, we didn't hire for two years during the pandemic at all. And then not only that, people didn't come into the business. And so we've got to work our way through that. And you got a supply issue that I think is coming back online. I feel really confident about it. We're facilitating that through things like our cadet program and creating financing vehicles for people that want to get into the business. That's all going well. But then the other issue is what's your run short, you actually have issues of getting kind of pilots from the right seat to the left seat and there are hours requirements that have to -- that you have to fulfill. We're working our way through that. That's going to take a little bit longer in my opinion. That's maybe two, three years to work out versus the Mainline side, which I think is something from a training perspective, we really get fully caught up over the course of the next year.
Savanthi Syth:
That's helpful. If I might, just a following up on that. So I appreciate the kind of the thoughts on where capacity could be next year. Any way you could help us think about the cost side of things and how much of the headwinds that you're seeing today, we might see kind of go away as you kind of get through next year?
Derek Kerr:
Well, Savi, I mean we're still going through our planning process. So we gave the guide for the ASMs, but we're not ready to guide costs yet. We will in the January call. We're working through our budget. We're in that today. So that -- the CASM will depend on what we fly, but we will go through that on the January call.
Savanthi Syth:
Understood, thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker of JPMorgan. Jamie Baker, your line is open.
Jamie Baker:
Good morning everybody. Two quick questions for Derek and then a follow-up for Vasu. Derek, why the pivot from pretax to operating margin guidance? And second, what's the increase in interest expense year-on-year at the current forward curve for your floating rate debt?
Derek Kerr:
Okay. Just no reason for the pivot. I mean we're just -- could be inconsistent with the rest of the airlines from an operating perspective. That's what we're focusing on. And then on the interest rate, I mean, our cost of debt has gone probably from about 4% to 5% and our fixed floating is 70-30. So as we look into next year, our interest expense is -- this quarter was around $494 million. So that go up in the fourth quarter to about $530 million. So it's probably about $40 million from the third to fourth quarter on an interest expense basis. But that's totally offset right now with the cash levels we have on interest income. So it was offset in the third quarter interest income depends on where cash is in the fourth quarter. And you can see that our guide for non-op is pretty even quarter-over-quarter.
Jamie Baker:
Yes, okay. That's why -- I have to appreciate that. So Vasu, as I continue to think through how American needs to adapt to new travel patterns. And look, maybe you don't aside from just shifting some capacity to certain days of the week, maybe Thanksgiving return peak shifts a bit. But I keep thinking there's more that can be done fare fences, promotions, AAdvantage. Just to better capture these new travel patterns out there or is it just as simple as adjusting the dayality of schedules? Not sure if dayality is an American term, but I trust you know what I mean.
Vasu Raja:
I think you just made a term, Jamie. That's fine. Keep going.
Jamie Baker:
Well, we use it at Air Mike. So -- but that was a long time ago. Just really wondering if there's more than just pure scheduling nuances to best monetizing all these new travel patterns that are emerging, certainly much to my personal post-COVID surprise?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, that's a great question, Jamie. And let me start with just some context setting for just how indeed the world has changed. First of all, we are in general, really encouraged by what is happening with aggregate demand. As we say, the demand for travel and for air travel, in particular has never been higher and remains strong in the kind of all future periods. But the shape of that, the composition has changed a lot. Now we're in a place for the quarter where 45% of our revenue came from blended trips, about 30% from discretionary or what we historically called leisure trip. And the remaining 25% from nondiscretionary that we've historically called business trips. Importantly, within business, about 17 to 20 points of that is coming actually from noncontracted unmanaged businesses. The remaining kind of five to eight points are from contracted corporations. That's meaningfully small, call it, four, five points smaller than historic. And that is the thing that is actually really encouraging for us for a couple of reasons that, that big category of blended demand, which is growing. First and foremost, that unmanaged business is coming in at yield values where their gross yields are similar to the corporate contracted transactions that are not there. But very importantly, they're net yields, not of their cost of sale is actually very often higher than what we spilled off. But two, and kind of more directly related to your question, what we find is that that indeed, this blended demand uses our airline network in a very economical way. Almost half of that demand is using O&D markets in our system where American's network is uniquely advantaged. But additionally, we've seen across our system, not just for blended demand, two points of traffic shift from what we'll call the peak business periods in the day. That's pre 0800 and post 1600 and into the body of the day, the 800 to 1600 window. So if you think about that, historically, we've done a lot to kind of peak our schedules for the ends of the day, but now we're seeing a lot of really high-yielding demand in the places where it's most economical to frankly go and run the airline. And that takes me to the third point, which is where you're starting to go. But as you -- as we start to contract, and we've done a lot of this, where we -- when you don't look at the transaction, look at the customer behind it, what we're finding is that a customer who has a blended trip in their profile is twice as likely to go and enroll in the Advantage program. They are 3x more likely to sign up for one of our co-branded credit cards, they don't already have it. Those who have a credit card spend 40% more than a typical business customer. And these customers are overwhelmingly going to aa.com because it's frankly the only place where you can go and price and shop for a blended trip. So that is very much influencing how we're thinking in a couple of meaningful ways, as you say, that first and foremost, the value that we can deliver to these customers through our loyalty program, and as we call them our currency partnerships with people such as Citi are paramount importance to our customers, and therefore to us. And then there's a lot about the selling and distribution model that the airlines have operated on certainly that we've operated under that warrant some change that we can go in certain customer demand.
Jamie Baker:
That's super helpful. My risk is acing the right thing down at both the type and I hadn't thought about the loyalty angle. So thank you very much for that. I appreciate it.
Vasu Raja:
Sure. Thanks.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI. Duane Pfennigwerth your line is open.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thank you. And my compliments on that pronunciation, better than many earnings calls. On the $95 million to $100 million for next year, I wanted to ask you how that might compare to a theoretical upper limit. How much of this is conservatism just given fuel and kind of macro uncertainty versus just your modeling of the staffing constraints. So if you really wanted to step on the gas, if the environment warranted, how much higher could you push than that 100%?
Robert Isom:
Hey, Duane, thanks for the question. Look, for us right now, we're going to size the airline for the resources that we have and the demand environment that we face. There's a lot of variability in just about everything that we deal with right now. But the thing that I think that Vasu will tell you, Derek and our finance team will tell you, the best thing we could do is make sure that we have a predictable, stable airline, something that we can point to in the future. That's what we're trying to do, given all the constraints that we face right now. So from the perspective of what is a limiting factor, we probably try to fly a little bit more. What, we've got pilot constraints that are going to take a while to work their way through. Notably, we talked about what's happening on the regional side of things. So in terms of an upper bound, I don't have a number there. I can -- I don't know if we've actually gone out and calculated the max level.
Derek Kerr:
No, no. I think, Duane, as we talked about on the last call, we do have some unsupportable aircraft at this point in time. As things change on the regional side, it's all dependent on pilot hiring and how much the main line hired from the regionals. And so we're just -- we're trying to be prudent in what we do as we saw in the summer, making some of those kind of assumptions was not easy. So I think we're being prudent on it. If there is more capability for us to fly from a regional perspective and a mainline perspective, because those constraints come down, then we'll be able to -- we could fly more with the fleet that we have, put it that way. So is that a couple of percent probably. If we flew the whole thing, we could get somewhere in the 5% to 10% range from the fleet that we have. But I think those constraints are going to be there. As Robert said, the regional constraints are going to be there for a longer period of time. We're working through them, and hopefully, there's other options that we have to bring that flying back up.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
That's helpful perspective. And then just for a quick follow-up on ops. Can you quantify the savings or the assumed savings from running a better operation in your 4Q guide? And it's an American question, frankly, it's an industry question. What have we learned or institutionalized from this summer that gives you confidence that sort of these ops -- better ops will sustain. Maybe in fourth quarter, frankly, it's just -- it's less peak. It's fewer ASMs, maybe that's the driver and the confidence. But if you can help us understand what's been institutionalized from this summer. That would be helpful.
Robert Isom:
Yes. Duane, that's something we talk a lot about. And look, we talk about utilization and getting more out of it, but there's always an offset to that utilization with running an airline that is potentially less reliable. So what we've done right now is we've taken a look at and given that the pandemic brought so much variability in just about every input to the business, okay? Everything from partners, at airports to aerospace limitations to Boeing and Airbus, delivering aircraft, our pilots and flight attendants. What we're trying to do is build in at least a little buffer in a number of areas right now. And that is absolutely something that we're carrying on into the fourth quarter. Where does it show up? It shows up in higher reserve levels for pilots and flight attendants. Or does it show up? It shows up in terms of maybe not running even some of the aircraft that we have is hardest -- hard as you would. It shows up in terms of making sure that we're trying to take into account restrictions that we have in the airports and with aerospace as well. So we're putting that all in. My hope is that as the airline gets up to speed and our other partners and vendors get up to speed, but that's something that we can slowly take a look at. But to the point that you brought up, this airline, American Airlines, the industry as a whole, we need to get back to reliability levels that we have pre pandemic and even higher. That's the focus, and you're going to see some fest in that, whether it's through putting in degrees of safety factor and things or just making sure that we fly the airline appropriate for demand and operating conditions.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. Thank you very much.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open, Michael Linenberg.
Michael Linenberg:
Yes, good morning everyone. I want to kind of touch on this as sort of a follow-on on Jamie's question about sort of structural change here. And I don't know if it's to Robert or Vasu. Robert, you talked about 45% more premium seating in your fleet. And when I look at some of the numbers, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you're like seven 879, the premium seats are going to go up by 60%. And then when I look at where you will be on an absolute basis post this new product rollout, you'll be pretty well ahead of United and Delta. And I'm just -- it feels like it's a bit of a bet and it is maybe more of a secular shift to have that much premium seating. And I'm just -- I'm thinking what is the potential downside risk, sort of how you think about that? And it also looks like, I guess, we're going to see the retirement of the first class on the 777s. Is that right?
Robert Isom:
Yes. I'll now let Vasu, go ahead and start this one.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Thanks Mike, for the question. It's a very good one. I'll answer your second one first. Yes, the first class will not exist on the 777 or for that matter, at American Airlines for the simple reason that our customers aren't buying it. The quality of the business class C has improved so much. And frankly, by removing it, we can go provide more business class seats, which is what our customers most want or most willing to pay for. But look, a really important thing to your first question, starts actually with the structure of the network that's here now versus what was their pre-pandemic. And though we've talked about it on a lot of calls, it probably can't be emphasized enough. And it's something which you can see through all the successive schedules -- on the quarterly schedules through COVID and even into what we published through the rest of this year and early next. But again, remember for us, we're running a long-haul business now that is 15% smaller than what existed pre-COVID. And so -- and furthermore, of that, about 70-ish percent of our -- presume we're an 80-20 short-haul, long-haul split. But for us, very importantly, 70% of our capacity almost 70% is in our core hubs. What's not there is really in some really strong international markets that are very premium-heavy. Heathrow long-haul South America, eventually Tokyo, places like that or else in really long-haul markets where, frankly, through the strength of our partnerships, we're able to go and make a larger premium cabin work. So because of that, we -- the airline has actually arced itself to a place where there's a lot more demand for its premium seats. The last thing I'll say and this actually picks up right where my answer to Jamie left off, too. And what we're really encouraged by right now is actually long-haul profitability for American Airlines is better than what has historically been in pre-2019 on a margin basis, in some cases, on an absolute basis. What it's being driven by is not just the premium cabin. But interestingly, it's being driven by blended customer demand there. I mean it used to be that large contract in corporations were as much as 50% of what filled those seats. Now between 40% and 50% of it is blended demand, and the rest of it is actually leisure demand that is willing to go and pay more for the quality of the business class seat. All of that is coming at a higher net yield values than what was there before. So we're really encouraged about what the future holds. And that's a lot of the context behind some of these bets we're making with the long-haul configuration.
Michael Linenberg:
Very helpful, Vasu. If I can just sneak in one other one. And just on the regional side. You guys seem to be doubling down on adding more regional service, including 50 seaters. And I know in the past, you've talked about how that historically has been -- those markets have been fairly high yield. But how does that square with just the rising costs that we're seeing on regional labor, other input costs for the regionals? And is maybe the offset that you have this sort of unique from a network perspective, you among all the carriers may be the only game in town in so many of these markets that you're still able to make it up in revenue. How do you square that? Thank you.
Robert Isom:
Vasu, let me start and then you jump in. Well, first off, look, just in terms of the 50 seaters that we have, we've reduced the number of 50-seaters that we've had in place over time. I don't have the exact number hand. But what we have is a network that's ideally suited for servicing a number of regional markets. And you know what, 50 seaters is going to have in place in our system. But right now, the big focus is getting the aircraft that we have back up in the air. There's not a doubling count it say, hey, this made sense before. It makes a lot of sense now. Especially given what we're seeing with the rest of the marketplace. Vasu, go ahead.
Vasu Raja:
Yes, that's right. I'll just add a couple of doses of back to that too that what we -- especially that I was really encouraged by is when we crossed over from the summer in the September, which is historically a weaker demand time for the airlines. What we found is that historically, in, let's call it, September of 2019, only about 20% to 25% of our revenue was coming from places where our O&D markets where our network was advantaged. When we got into September of this year, it was somewhere between 30% to 33% coming from places where our network was advantaged. And indeed, we see this over and over again, that we make 30% more O&Ds than our competitors, 30% more O&Ds and markets that where we consider them to be advantaged. And by that, I mean either [Technical Difficulty] O&Ds, we're the only ones who serve it or we serve it with the most convenient schedule. And so for us, there's a -- we see that very much. I mean, the way our network is just structurally built. We are the very best at serving all of the small cities of the Western Hemisphere and connecting customers there to the global marketplace. Others are a whole lot better at flying long-haul to Asia, or whatever the case might be. But for that reason, there are some really unique things to American Airlines, where we have a lot of value in a range of equipment types from the smallest 50-seat or 75-seat RJs to a 200-seat narrow-body, whereas for a lot of others, a lot more of their value may be and having multiple flavors of a 300-seat wide line.
Robert Isom:
Mike -- go ahead Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Mike, the only thing I was going to add is we have three wholly owns, Piedmont is going to fly 50-50 seaters.
Michael Linenberg:
Yes.
Derek Kerr:
That's what they have today. We're growing those back for sure. Boeing is getting out of the 50 seaters over time, we'll fly some next year. They're going to move. But I know you're referring probably to the Air Wisconsin transaction.
Michael Linenberg:
Yes.
Derek Kerr:
In a market where there's difficulty in pilot supply, Air Wisconsin has a great network. We've worked with them before. They have a very good pilot supply and comply out of Chicago. And so I think it's an opportunistic transaction to do that in an environment where there's a pilot constraint on the regional side.
Michael Linenberg:
Great. Thanks for the explanation everyone.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Conor Cunningham of Melius Research. Your line is open, Conor Cunningham.
Conor Cunningham:
Hey everyone. Thanks for the time. Just on Savi's question from a hiring standpoint. I don't think you actually gave a number on 2023. Is there a stated goal from a pilot standpoint. The only reason why I asked as your headcount, I think is down 2%, you're talking about capacity being flat to down 5%. So basically, you're there from a hiring from an employee standpoint. So I'm just trying to figure out what we're talking about until into next year?
Robert Isom:
Derek, go ahead.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I think, Conor, we're going to have the schoolhouse pull all next year. So my assumption is if we hired 2,000 this year, we'll be hiring the same amount next year as we bring back the mainline fleet. So I would expect the schoolhouse to be full and us to train as about as many pilots in 2023 as we are in 2022.
Robert Isom:
And Conor, I'd just add that some of that as well. We still have considerable retirements due to age 65. We're at the peak levels. So while we're hiring 2,000, it doesn't mean that there's a net incremental of 2,000 pilots by any means.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I think we retired somewhere in the neighborhood of 700, 750 pilots next year. So a lot of that's retirement.
Conor Cunningham:
Okay. Thank you. And then the progress being made on profitability is obviously great to see. But I think the question a lot of folks have is just around profitability with new labor deals. I'm not trying to get you guys to cost me that publicly, but just how do you think about profitability into '23? Is it just more of like the demand picture is just so much better that we can absorb a lot of the pilot pay increases or labor deals and all that stuff. Just any high-level thoughts that you may have, that would be great. Thanks.
Robert Isom:
Well, I'll start like certainly, anything that we do with our pilots or flight attendants or any of the other team members that we're currently negotiating with, we do -- we negotiate with a mind to making sure, we take care of our team that we take care of the company as well. When we think about the deals that we have, we're going to make sure that they fit with an economic perspective of making money. And I'm confident we can do that. And it's the best interest of our pilots and flight attendants and mechanics and everybody in this company. So there's win-win deals that will be had out there. I'm confident that we can do it. And it's in an environment where, yes -- we take a look at travel coming back, being something that just in terms of where people want to spend money is a change from prior to the pandemic. We take a look at the amount of growth that the general economy has had and yet the airline business is still -- American Airlines is 10% smaller. And then on top of that, we know that travel is a bargain still, general inflation is running about 5% and ticket prices are up since 2019, about 3% -- or less than 3% on an annual basis. So I look at all that and think that the kind of momentum that we have experienced in the third and fourth quarter carry in. And certainly, they're offsetting costs that are built in, in terms of redundancies that we have in place. But as we get the fleet back up and as Derek mentioned a little bit earlier, it may take us a while to get the regionals back up and maybe through 2023 to get the mainline fully back up as well. But we will have efficiencies that come with upgauging that we did -- we've done and will come with the incremental utilization that we can get out of our aircraft -- and quite frankly, some of the things that Vasu's talked about in terms of network, in terms of marketing and then also in terms of engaging our customers in a way that they will pay us for things like credit cards. The relationship is deepening. So on all those fronts, I feel really confident that we can put together an airline that can cover increased labor expenses and still make margins that that we think are appropriate positive for the airline.
Conor Cunningham:
Appreciate it.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Helane Becker of Cowen. Your line is open, Helane Becker.
Robert Isom:
Helane?
Operator:
Hi, Helane. Your line should be open now. Please go ahead.
Helane Becker:
Thank you. Can you hear me now?
Robert Isom:
Yes. We can hear you now.
Helane Becker:
Okay, good. I'm not sure exactly what happened there because I was not on mute. So one question for clarification. What's the paid load factor in business versus upgrades in business class?
Vasu Raja:
Hey Helane, this is Vasu. Look, off the top of my head, I don't know well enough to go and tell you, but I will say this that our payloads in business are growing as a percentage of what they've been historically, but it changed a lot between July and September, as being shifted over. But a major part for that is simply changes that we've made with our upgrade program that we used to have a lot of different, what I'll call cottage upgrade concepts that could be had through different certificates through our loyalty program, do things like that. We've been trying to go and simplify that for our customers, digitize a whole lot more of it and frankly, offer more fair products to customers. So we're now getting to a place where it's probably our lowest of time as little as 60% could have been paid. Now we're in a place where, indeed, like in the domestic system, something closer to 80% or so.
Helane Becker:
Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you. And then if I could follow-up a question on the aircraft deliveries and the schedule. So Derek, you talked about the under on the number of aircraft you actually have on for delivery schedule for next year. So how are you scheduling the airline? Are you assuming, I suppose a lower level of deliveries? Or are you -- could you just walk me through how you plan the network, not knowing how many aircraft you're actually going to have available to fly.
Derek Kerr:
Yes. I think as we look into 2023, we didn't have a lot of deliveries anyway. We probably had 32 deliveries. What we've done is we know the four 788s are coming in. We know what those dates are, so we can plan that. And Neos coming -- the one Neo coming in, we know that. The MAXs, we've worked with Boeing to put our level of ops together. We were supposed to get 27 aircrafts. We've now taken that down to 19, and we have the delivery schedule that we believe that Boeing will meet. They need to meet those dates for us to hit the level of apps, but that's the way we're planning it. The good news for us is that we don't have a lot of deliveries next year. Our CapEx is way down. We know what our fleet is. The uncertainty for us from a level of operations perspective is probably more on the regional side. And what we're doing is being conservative on the regional side to plan three months out. We'll put a level of ops together for the full-year of what we -- where we think we are. And if the constraints fall-off, we have more ability to fly. We'll add those back into the schedule as we move throughout the year. But we'll plan at the level that we gave you, which is the 95 to 100. That assumes the push in the MAXs to only 19 aircraft and that they come in a little bit later. And we'll plan to schedule that way. We do have capabilities of putting the schedule out, and we can change it every three months and things like that. So you may see an adjustment to our plans as we go forward. but we were sticking the stake in the ground with this level, with this aircraft, a lot easier to do this year than it has in the past, not knowing when the 78s are coming, but still just the murkiest part for us is really the regional side and making sure that we can do the regionals at the levels we have them today.
Vasu Raja:
I'll just add to something that Derek said there, really consistent with our principle of just making the airline as nimble and resilient as possible. One of the things that -- and a huge credit to [indiscernible] and Ronnie and many people in our network and operations team. But we figured out ways where effectively, instead of building to a fictitious delivery plan, we can build what we know and add, what as we call them lines of flying and on top of it, whether that is for regional jets for mainlines. And indeed if you go out and look at schedules at a time when so many airlines cut capacity closed in probably at least the only one that I've seen in published schedules being able to add capacity back as American Airlines. And so we're finding more ways to do it. It's doing that puts us in a much better place to go manage the airline operationally and financially. It makes it a little bit harder to go and manage things like the peak days after Thanksgiving, but it's a much more practical way to go manage through some of these infrastructure uncertainties that we've got.
Helane Becker:
That's hugely helpful. Thank you very much.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Helane.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Trent of Citi. Your line is open, Stephen Trent.
Stephen Trent:
Good morning everybody and thanks very much for squeezing me in. Most of my questions have been answered. I just had one quick question about fleet. I know you guys have gone through all of that operational dislocation with the MAX grounded in 2019. And as you think about longer term, any high-level view sort of what's optimal for American Airlines with respect to owning versus leasing versus sale leaseback, an ideal mix when you consider what's happening with interest rates and aircraft residual values, we just love to hear some color on that. Thank you.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, Stephen, I mean, the one thing I will say is we are very happy that we did our fleet replacement program at a time where we could finance aircraft at 3% level. So our -- as we look back at what we've done and where others have to go in this 6% to 7% range, we're very happy where we're at with the financing of our aircraft. As we look forward, we don't have many aircraft in 2023. So that's good news. We only have about 32 aircraft. We already have five of them financed. We look at all markets. We look at the WTC market, the sale-leaseback market, the mortgage market, and we are getting attractive pricing in those markets today. So our focus will be on the back half of 2023 and to finance those aircrafts. We're all good through 2022. We're all good through the first half of 2023 with very attractive financing. And hopefully, as we go forward, we don't have a significant amount of aircraft. We have 24 next year, and then we go into 50 and 50 to two years after that. So we've done our fleet replacement program under really, really good rates that are going to be with us for a long time. So we're very happy where we're positioned now from an aircraft financing perspective.
Stephen Trent:
That's super helpful. Thanks very much.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Sheila Kahyaoglu of Jefferies. Sheila Kahyaoglu, your line is open.
Sheila Kahyaoglu:
Maybe if we could talk about just revenue trends to start. Q3 was the first quarter where international passenger revenue outperformed domestic. Any color on how you could -- how you think about that trend going forward and potentially the impact on the U.S. dollar strength?
Robert Isom:
Vasu, go ahead and start, and I want to add something at the end, too, okay?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, look, we -- as mentioned before, the long-haul business is -- if you look back at over any time period you want, it's a much more volatile line of business to be than the short-haul business. We think that's absolutely the case. That said, we're really encouraged where things are right now. There is clearly demand that's out there for the long-haul product. That too is taking shape in a very different way than what was there before the pandemic but coming in at levels that are far greater than what was there before the pandemic. What's less known is that we're still in a place where so many markets are still opening up. As a practical matter, Japan really only opened up last week. So there's some major parts of the international systems that are coming back yet. They're still any number of inefficiencies there, which I know Robert can talk to a lot more that are going to yet be a bit of a drag. But over the long run, we're really excited for it, so much so that even though I've said that the airline is going to be an 80-20 short-haul, long-haul carrier. Nonetheless, we're taking 787s. We still have an order for XLRs and things like that out there because we do think that the long-haul business will come back and come back in a way, which can be really beneficial certainly to us and our customers.
Robert Isom:
Yes, there's things that we're doing as a country that are actually hindering the recovery of demand internationally. It could be stronger, a lot stronger. And I want to make sure that people are aware of that. Right now -- in the past, in 2019, 43% of international visitation into the U.S. that came from countries where you had to have a Visa to come into the United States. And back then in 2019, for people that wanted to come in for a first-time Visa to attend a big event meeting or kind of a convention. You maybe had to go and spend a few weeks to get a Visa. So you can actually buy a ticket with some reasonable assurance that you'd actually be able to travel. Well, now that process of getting a Visa is -- can be over a year, well over a year and really important big travel markets like countries like Brazil and Mexico and India. And when I talk about that 43% of inbound travel of international visitation, it's not like they're just -- it's not like we're limiting ourselves just on airfares and ticket prices and airline revenue, those people spent $120 billion when they came into the United States. So the country as a whole is hard. Here's what we're trying to do about it, because we need to get at this. You just -- the international recovery would be so much stronger if we got this out of the way. We're working with the state department. We've got to make sure that we respond to the situation to do so quickly. And it really comes in to making sure that B1 and B2 applicants, why come the United States participating in meetings that they're eligible to do so instead of taking their travel someplace else, which is what they're doing right now. So anyway, I just want to make that point, Vasu, that international travel could be stronger.
Sheila Kahyaoglu:
No, that's great color, guys. And maybe just one follow-up for Vasu and his comments earlier on the loyalty program and credit card spend. How are you thinking about the loyalty program? Has there been a change in how American is viewing it and it's important to the operation relative to 2019?
Vasu Raja:
Short answer, yes. Absolutely. We've seen it in any number of ways that -- look, so much of the marketplace has changed. Maybe the simplest way to think of it is this, those customers who are blending travel value travel, whereas for a lot of our customers prior to the pandemic, they might have traveled because their employer made them or they had to go and do it. So we're seeing people travel with a lot more intentionality. And when that happens, those same customers are much more willing to go and earn miles so that they can go and take their family on vacation, for example. So that's where we see like AAdvantage enrollments are growing record levels everywhere. As our partnerships expand, we're seeing growth in places like the West Coast and the Northeast. Levels that we've never seen before. But importantly, people are doing things like spending on their credit card. We did something where we counted credit card spending towards status, and that's been something really, really well received by our customers, too. So -- and the last thing I'll say to this is we just see a lot of upside here. If you compare our print out there in the sort of traditional network business, we're in a place where domestically in Latin America, we can be 10% to 20% larger than our competitors and produce unit revenues that are 5% to 10% larger than what they are. And that's a really good place to be in. But even still, compared to one of our largest network competitors, we -- they run 90% the airline that we do, but they produce a $1 billion more to their co-brand credit card program. So we're really focused on that, because we think it's a huge value driver for our customers, a very obvious one for us. We're really encouraged by the progress we've made with our partner in Citi. But as we look forward, we see that as a really key place where we need to have a strategic partnership in order to really create the value that's there.
Sheila Kahyaoglu:
Great. Thank you.
Operator:
That concludes the analyst Q&A. We will now take questions from the media. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question from the media comes from Alison Sider of Wall Street Journal. Your line is open, Alison Sider.
Alison Sider:
Thank you so much. I'm curious, you ever has been talking about sort of these different travel patterns more blended travel, you have different types of leisure trips. And I'm just curious, do those trends -- do they kind of fully offset the loss of managed corporate travel that you're still seeing? Like if there was sort of a stall in the corporate recovery with these kind of new leisure type or blended type bookings to make up for it?
Vasu Raja:
Absolutely. It has way more than offset it. And then you can see it in the results, right? We have -- the contracted corporations are 80% recovered, but this is the second quarter in a row where revenues have never been higher in our history. And indeed, that's on the strength of this blended demand that's there and unmanaged business-related demand, all of which is coming in at higher yield values, all of which tends to attach itself to really high-margin ancillary products like premium cabin seats, the credit card, loyalty programs, things like that. So we're very much seeing a shift that's there and one that's really encouraging. All the more encouraging because as we look forward, really the airline revenue -- or airline revenues haven't totally recovered to their historical level. Historically, they would be about 1% of GDP. We're still not all the way there. And so we think there's yet a lot of headroom that's there. We are really encouraged and absolutely, Ali, we are very much seeing that the managed corporate hasn't come back yet. It's more than being offset. And the last thing I'll say to you is, though managed corporate hasn't come back, the really critical word in that sense is the word yet. As more countries open up, as the visa inefficiencies that Robert talked about get rectified, there's -- that can really unlock yet a lot of demand that's out there, which is kind of what are the upside for the travel business.
Alison Sider:
Got it. Thanks. And I guess, just what -- you mentioned the GDP relationship, so maybe that's part of the answer, but like what gives you the confidence that these are real permanent shifts and not just spill over for the summer and eventually, just the inflationary pressures will get speed too much and people will just travel spending will fall by the late side just like other spending categories are seeing?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Ali, look, it's a great question, and there's probably maybe three parts to the answer. First, it's not a thing that we've just observed recently. We've been seeing this and talking about this probably for a couple of quarters now, and it is a real and a meaningful shift. Two, it's not that we see the data in aggregate. We get the luxury of seeing it in particular. So for example, in 2021 and 2022, those customers on a blended trip who enrolled in our advantage program in 2022 are producing our revenue -- their revenues to us are about 10% higher than customers who traveled in '21 and '22, but didn't enroll the program. We see meaningful shifts. When people actually go and spend on the credit card, they are more likely to go and fly on the airline and vice versa. So there's a lot of things out there which are quite striking in the data that we see and are very consistent. Then the last thing that I'll mentioned is yes, even though other consumer -- demand for other consumer products is changing. Just never forget for us, in real dollars, the price of airfares are less now than what they were in 2019. So you can still go out there and now it's not like the depth of the pandemic where there were $29 one-way fares, but now they're $49 one-way fares. So air travel has never been the bargain that it is today. And we -- that's going to be a thing that lasts for quite a while going forward. Frankly, to the good of our customers and our business.
Alison Sider:
Thanks so much.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Leslie Josephs of CNBC. Your line is open, Leslie Josephs.
Leslie Josephs:
Good morning everybody. I was just wondering if -- how you're thinking about the AAdvantage program and with so many people getting cards, lots of sign-ups, very high spend and accruing loss of miles. How you're thinking about just the sheer number of people that have so many miles and whether you can deliver a product that entices more people to remain in the program and to keep using it. And I'm thinking like competition for upgrades and things like that? And then my second question, in 2023, you said 95% to 100% back to 2019 levels. If you do have the aircraft, do you want to fly more? Or is there a concern that, that would drive down fares in revenue? Thanks.
Vasu Raja:
Hey, Leslie, this is Vasu. I can start into that and others may want to join in for the second part of your question. So look, as we like to say it, burn begets burn. And the most important thing is people are earning more miles, we want them to keep continuing to do it. It's valuable to them. They want to be able to unlock future travel opportunities. And the really important thing is for that to happen, they need to be able to burn their miles. So stay tuned for more, but we're looking at a lot of ways where we can make status more rewarding and more meaningful and also where we can do more things where people can use their miles more. We were really encouraged this summer. We actually experimented with a lot of ways where we went and expanded availability for award redemption and things like that. And we found the take rates amongst our customers to be really promising. And so we see a lot of opportunities for that, both within AA, but also in conjunction with many of our partners. So more on that soon. And that -- if you could just repeat your second question.
Robert Isom:
Vasu, this is me, I'll add into that. Look, whether or not we're -- the Advantage members are outpacing the growth in Advantage members that are outpacing our ability to service them. Leslie, that's where we talk about what we're doing with our premium seats and making sure that we have the ability to serve customers but -- as well, we're creating world-class product as well in so many different places. Take our LaGuardia Labs. If you haven't been there, please go see it. Best domestic lounge in the country. And it's only going to be beaten when we open up our new DCA lounge. And you'll see that we're doing this kind of thing to make sure that we can accommodate a much broader group. And we're going to spend for it. It's worthwhile to do that, and we're tracking the right customers. So then the last thing is, would we be flying more right now if we -- if these constraints weren't out there, we'd be flying a little bit more, we'll take a look at that for next year. But as I said before, the biggest thing for us is making sure that we have certainty in terms of our schedule. And so we're going to make sure that we don't outpace what we have either in terms of aircraft deliveries if that's the constraint or if it's pilots at a regional level or our ability to train pilots from a mainline perspective.
Leslie Josephs:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mary Schlangenstein of Bloomberg. Your line is open, please Mary S. Please standby. Mary S, your line is open.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Yes, I'm not muted. Can you hear me?
Robert Isom:
Yes. We're hearing.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Excellent. Great. Thank you. Vasu, for a long time, the thinking in the industry was that the domestic market was mature. And so the best opportunities for growth were outside of the U.S., and that seems to be the exact opposite of what you're doing now. And I wanted to see if you could comment on whether there was some sort of change, whether that belief across the industry was just an error or a misreading of the industry? And then the second question was on the 80/20 short-haul, long-haul mix. Is that 20 a base for you in terms of long-haul? Or could we see that potentially fall further going forward?
Vasu Raja:
Thanks, Mary. The second of your question, it's pretty unlikely that it falls further going forward. How we build it back over time kind of remains to be seen. That's a big part of our 2023 and beyond planning. But it will be pretty surprising at this point about anything materially lower than that. And indeed, through so many of these partnerships, we probably see more ways to grow it than any desire to shrink it. Then to the first of your question that, yes, look, what I'd say is that North America, as an originating market, is a very mature market, but it's also the highest area of airline demand, the highest yielding marketplace that's anywhere in the world. And what we find is, indeed, so much of what's happened, especially post-pandemic across the U.S. is there's a significant amount of demand growth and economic growth outside of the historically large big coastal cities that are there, places like Phoenix, Arizona, Austin, Texas, Oklahoma City, places like that are growing at a pretty meaningful level. And with that, there's just a lot of people who want to be able to come in and travel. And what we do great is we connect them into the global marketplace. Whether that is New York or Heathrow or whatever the case might be. Maybe to put a bit of an example on that, like take a market like New York City, New York City is a place where there's more flights a day to Paris than there are at Little Rock, Arkansas. Well, American Airlines out of the first flight from Little Rock to New York. And it was made possible through our partnership with JetBlue and the -- but by having that, we've created opportunities for customers that they wouldn't have had before. So we see yes a lot of opportunities to do that. And indeed, the results kind of speak for it, the more that we do, the more encouraged we are that our customers value and are willing to pay for it.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kyle Arnold of Dallas News. Your line is open, Kyle Arnold.
Kyle Arnold:
Good morning everyone. Can you guys talk a little bit about how the blended travel trend is going to play into the holidays, whether you're seeing more people shift into earlier in the week outside of that, maybe pre-Thanksgiving day? And is there a different kind of cadence to that, in the summer versus the winter or maybe the winter where those peak days are a little tighter?
Vasu Raja:
Hey Kyle, this is Vasu. And yes, we do see a little bit of that day of week shift. Not only do we see it just in general, a time of day shift for people who are coming out of what we call the peak business travel time channels and into the body of the airline day. We're seeing more growth happening on things like Wednesday evenings or Thursday mornings, places where -- while there was demand, it was traditionally not as great as what it would be on a Thursday evening at 6'o clock. And so with that in mind, yes, we are indeed anticipating that it's not just that the Thanksgiving weekend, for example, will be peak, but even the days around it, we'll have a level of demand. In fact, if you go look at our Thanksgiving schedule right now, there's less peak-to-trough variability there than certainly I've seen in the schedule for a number of years.
Robert Isom:
So hey Kyle, I'll add. Vasu's organization has our revenue management team in it. They -- every now they take me through the worm charts that show us how we're booking at various points in the year. And I'll tell you this, what I saw earlier this week is compared to 2019 and the prior years, look, the holidays are booking really well. And so I think that, that bodes well. But what I think Vasu, you also probably note is that getting the seat is something that's going to be hard. So it's going to place, there's going to be a move in terms of where people can fly just based on availability.
Vasu Raja:
Absolutely right.
Robert Isom:
Which is a good thing. And Scott, is that our last question?
Scott Long:
Yes.
Robert Isom:
Is that right? So hey I'll just close with this, which is, if you can't tell, we're pleased with our results. It's been a heck of a few years in the pandemic. And it's great to be at a point where -- not only are we reporting profits on a quarterly basis, but looking at into the future as well. Demand remains strong. We're very optimistic. And American is really in a position of strength to taking full advantage of the recovery. It's because of the things that we've done with our network, with our partnerships, with our fleet, getting the airline really situated to fly what we can do best. We are focused on reliability. And that is something that everybody in the company has top of mind. I'm really pleased with how we're performing here in October and in September and as we closed out August as well. And my confidence is bolstered by a number of things. Just first, I look at the metrics that we run every day. So things like aircraft out of service at the start of the morning, we're running record all-time lows. I got to give a shout out to our technical operations team for having our aircraft in better shape than they've ever been in but as well as things like reserve levels for our pilots and flight attendants and just making sure things are ready to go, I feel really confident the way that we recovered post the horrific Hurricanes in the flooding that was here in DFW back in August. It gives me great confidence that even when you throw enormous disruption that we can get back on our feet really quickly. That reliability translates into profitability. And yes, we said it over and over again. We have to be profitable in order to really serve the needs of our communities, our customers and the shareholders of this company. We're intent on doing it, and we're going to make sure that this airline is one that you can count on in terms of producing profits, ultimately reducing debt over time and being sustainable from a profitability perspective. So we're hard at work. We're going to get back to it as soon as we get off this call. And I appreciate everybody spending time with us, and thanks.
Operator:
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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Vasu Raja - Chief Commercial Officer Nate Gatten - Chief Government Affairs Officer David Seymour - Chief Operating Officer Maya Leibman - Executive Vice President & Chief Information Officer
Operator:
Good morning, and welcome to the American Airlines Group Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentations, we will conduct the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And now I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Head of Investor Relations, Mr. Scott Long. .
Scott Long:
Thank you, Olivia. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group second quarter 2022 earnings conference call. On the call this morning, we have our CEO, Robert Isom, and our Vice Chair and CFO and President of American Eagle, Derek Kerr. Also on the call for Q&A are David Seymour, Vasu Raja and a number of other senior executives. Robert will start the call this morning with an overview of the second quarter. Derek will follow with details on the quarter and our operating plans and outlook going forward. After Derek's comments, we'll open the call for analyst questions, followed by questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. And before we begin today, we must state that today's call contains forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecast of capacity and fleet plans. These statements represent our predictions and expectations of future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release, which was issued this morning as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2022. In addition, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release, which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information we're giving you on the call this morning is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thank you for your interest and for joining us this morning. With that, I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Robert Isom.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. I want to start by thanking the American Airlines team, which has done an amazing job of running our airline, especially during very challenging operating conditions in the past few months. They managed significant weather, both thunderstorms and extreme heat in many parts of the country. Customers continue to come back to travel in record numbers. And our team has adapted to one of the busiest summers that we've ever experienced and they’ve done so with grace, professionalism and a level of commitment to our customers and each other, it is second to none. Every single day, I hear from our customers about something incredible that our team has done. We're so proud of their work and grateful for their support. I also want to thank and acknowledge our key partners in the US government. Secretary Mayorkas, Secretary Buttigieg and their teams at the FAA, TSA, CVP as well as the air traffic controllers at NATCA. They've been right there with us and have worked through these difficult operating conditions. The extraordinary surge in demand for air travel has significantly impacted them as well, and we appreciate their consistency and professionalism. All of us have to acknowledge that there are challenges in the National Airspace, particularly in high traffic locations like Florida and the Northeast, but I'm grateful for the sheer commitment that we have in the public and private sectors and management on the front line to facilitate the efficient return of travel. American served 53 million customers in the quarter, and we couldn't have done that without everyone pulling together. As we have shared previously, we have two primary goals this year; running a reliable operation, and returning to profitability, and that's the entirety of our focus. We've made a lot of progress on running a reliable airline, but we have still some work to do, and I'll touch on that more in a moment. The big news is this
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Robert, and good morning, everyone. Before I begin, I want to thank the American Airlines team for their continued dedication to our customers during this busy summer travel season. This morning, we reported a second quarter GAAP net income of $476 million or earnings of $0.68 per diluted share. Excluding net special items, we reported a net income of $533 million or earnings of $0.76 per diluted share. We talk a lot about our goal of returning the airline to profitability, and our second quarter performance is a result of that focus. Profitability in the quarter was driven by record revenue performance. As Robert noted, our second quarter revenue was $13.4 billion was 12.2% higher despite flying 8.5% less capacity than the same period in 2019. Leisure demand continued to lead the way, but the acceleration of business and long-haul international demand contributed to the strength we saw in the quarter. Operating earnings improved sequentially through the quarter, in line with the growth in revenue despite rising fuel cost. We continue to reap the benefit of the past investments in our fleet and are well-positioned for the future. In the second quarter, we took delivery of five A321neos and reactivated nine Boeing 737-800s from long-term storage. We continue to work closely with Boeing and the timing of our delayed 788s, and we expect to begin taking delivery of those aircraft this quarter. We now expect to receive nine 788s this quarter and four this year and four in the first part of 2023. Lastly, based on our latest guidance from Airbus, we are now expecting our A321 XLRs to be delivered starting in the first quarter of 2024 instead of the third quarter of 2023. This will shift planned aircraft capacity out of 2023 into future years. Our 2023 aircraft CapEx is now expected to be $1.9 billion. We ended the second quarter with $15.6 billion of total available liquidity. During the quarter, we generated operating cash flow of $1.7 billion and free cash flow of more than $800 million. Total debt reduction remains a top priority. We remain on track with our target of reducing overall debt levels by $15 billion by the end of 2025. In the near term, we will continue to keep up -- keep our liquidity at elevated levels, with a plan to step down to $10 billion to $12 billion when we are confident the recovery has fully taken hold. At that time, any excess liquidity will be prioritized to reduce debt. During the quarter, we made $1 billion in scheduled debt and finance lease payments, including paying off the remaining outstanding balance of our $750 million unsecured senior notes that matured in June. To date, we have reduced overall debt levels by $5.2 billion from peak levels in the second quarter of 2021. This means that after only 12 months, we have completed more than one-third of our $15 billion total debt reduction target. This progress affords us tremendous flexibility as to when and how we bring down the remaining $10 billion in total debt by the end of 2025. As we have said previously, moving forward, we will continue to balance our total liquidity and with the expected demand recovery, debt reduction opportunities and investment in the business. We expect to make $375 million of scheduled debt payments in the third quarter, which includes the scheduled payoff and unencumbering of 8 CRJ-700 aircraft. As we look to the remainder of the year, we are making targeted investments to ensure operational reliability. With recent schedule adjustments, we now expect full year 2022 capacity to be recovered to 90.5% to 90.5% of 2019 levels. Consequently, we now expect our full year CASM excluding fuel and net special items, to be up between 10% and 12% versus 2019. The increase in unit cost is driven by lower planned capacity and other investments to support the operation, including wage premiums and regional pilot pay. These unit cost increases represent near-term investments that will drive long-term value. We are confident that unit costs will improve as we increase asset utilization to historical levels. In the third quarter, we expect to be profitable despite the continuation of elevated fuel prices. Pretax margins are expected to be between 2% and 4% for the quarter, based on the current demand trends and our latest fuel price forecast. We currently expect total revenue to be 10% to 12% higher versus the third quarter of 2019 on 8% to 10% lower capacity. On this revenue strength, we expect total revenue per ASM to be 20% to 24% higher in the third quarter versus the same period in 2019. We expect our third quarter CASM, excluding fuel and net special items, to be up between 12% and 14% compared to 2019. Lower planned capacity and the investment in the reliability of the operation that I mentioned previously are driving unit costs higher for the quarter. Our current forecast for the third quarter assumes fuel between $3.73 and $3.78 per gallon, an increase of more than 80% versus the price of fuel in the third quarter of 2019. In conclusion, demand is strong, and we remain focused on our key objectives of operational reliability and profitability. While we've made investments in our operations that will impact near-term costs, we are confident that we're very well positioned as we move into 2023, because of our network, our fleet, our team and the actions we have taken. With that, we will open up the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question coming from the line of Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Michael Linenberg:
Yeah. Hey, good morning everyone. Hey, good job this quarter and good outlook. I guess, Derek, first to you on the $5.2 billion debt reduction that you've been able to do thus far. Presumably, you're not including any sort of reduction in the pension obligation. And just given the run-up in interest rates and thinking where the discount rate would go, can you just give us a sense of maybe the potential tailwind on that from a deleveraging perspective, where things stand and how you're thinking about that pension obligation? Thanks.
Derek Kerr:
Yeah. Two things. One is we look at that at the end of the year. So there was some benefit in the pension. The reduction in 2021, there was a slight reduction in 2021 of the pension obligation. As we look at where we're at now as of June 30th, the actual pension status or funding ratio has gone up to about 81%, and the liabilities have dropped over $3.5 billion due to the interest rate change and it's a higher interest rate, which has more than offset the asset reduction. So it's actually in a much better spot than it was before, not the way we want to get there, without a doubt, but it is in a better spot from a pension liability standpoint. But we have not added that in for anything in 2022. But if we did, it'd be -- right now, it would be about $1 billion lower from a liability perspective from a debt perspective than it would be before. So we are managing it the way we would any other time staying very conservative in our pension and watching it. But the interest rate has actually driven the liability much, much lower than what the reduction in the asset class has been.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay. That's helpful. And then this second question, and this is probably more for Vasu, Derek, you said that you're going to get nine 787s this quarter. And I know that everybody's been -- that has slipped multiple times. And assuming that it does slip again, when I look in the fourth quarter, it does look like you do have the 787 scheduled in -- it's in your timetable. If, for some reason, that were to slip again, like how many points of capacity do those airplanes account for in the back part of the year? Thanks.
Derek Kerr:
Yeah. Well, two things, Mike, I corrected that, I think, in my comments, but it is nine for the year. We will have two coming in, I think, in early August. The first two will come earlier, and we don't have any of them built into the schedule until November time frame. So if those do slip from August a little bit, we have put in almost a two-month pad in those coming in. But we don't think it will impact the fourth quarter a lot. If they slip a lot further, where the impact is going to be into 2023, not a lot into 2022.
Vasu Raja:
And Mike, presuming that all nine do deliver, call that roughly about deploying of capacity in a month.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay. Okay, great. Thanks everyone.
Operator:
Our next question coming from the line of Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is open.
Helane Becker:
Thanks very much, operator.
Derek Kerr:
Hi, Helane. Good morning.
Helane Becker:
Good morning. Thank you.
Robert Isom:
Hi Helane.
Helane Becker:
Hi. So just two questions. The first question, Robert, I saw you on CNBC this morning, and you talked about the pilot contract. And I know you guys don't like to talk about it, but you did present your pilots with an offer that would increase pay by 17% by 2025, I think. Could you just talk about what happens next and the status of that?
Robert Isom:
Sure. So Helane, thanks for the question. Look, it's really important for us to take care of our pilots. You know that throughout the pandemic, we had put an offer on the table that would have made our pilots the most highly paid pilots in the industry. We never pulled that back even throughout the pandemic. But, look, United went out and put out a better offer. And we thought it was really important to get to the table to make sure that our pilots know that we were going to take care of them. So we've done that. And now we are negotiating very closely and actively. And my hope is that we make progress over the coming weeks and months. Now how that bakes into financial forecast, we haven't put anything in yet. We don't know exactly where we'll end up. And then the point I'd just make is that, with every contract, not only are there changes to compensation and quality of life, but we think that when we get to a contract, we'll have a contract that is -- that operates very efficiently for the company as well.
Helane Becker:
Okay. Great. That's really helpful. Thank you. And then just a follow-up question on London. I know Phil asked you about that, too. And I heard Scott say last night that London operations will call him up and tell him a day or two in advance they're canceling flights. I don't think you guys have as many flights to London as they do. But are you seeing the same issues? And is that -- and maybe how does that get fixed, or is it more a British Air problem and a partner problem?
Robert Isom:
No. Let me start with this. First off, we have a really sizable operation in London, Heathrow with our Atlantic joint business partner, BA. We offer the largest schedule into London Heathrow. So it's very important to us. One of the things that we've done is we've been able to isolate American's operations into T3. And so that has allowed us with our team to make sure that we're doing everything possible. Now all that said, there's so much that you can do with your own team members. There's infrastructure like bag systems that you're dependent on Heathrow. And then, of course, BA is incredibly dependent on Heathrow as well. To that end, we're working as a group with our oneworld carriers to make sure that we match our capacity to the resources that are there -- that will take some time to work our way through. And to that end, maybe I'll have Nate Gatten, our Head of Government Affairs and Corporate Real Estate add to what's going on and the prognosis for that.
Nate Gatten:
Yes. Thanks, Robert. Helane, we worked whole last week on extremely short notice to cancel departing flights as a way to help manage airport crowding. And as Robert said, we've found that request to be quite disappointing and frustrating on many levels, mostly because of the significant burn that would put on our customers under short notice with few options for rebooking, given the -- some of those. What we did then was work with [HAL] (ph) to limit the capacity on our departing flights by capping loads on certain flights, we've rebooked passengers over other European points of departure, did things like limit non-rev travel, et cetera. And as Robert mentioned, we did that in conjunction with our oneworld and JV partners. It's important to understand that -- these procedures will be in place until the beginning of next week, at which point a new procedure for limiting passengers at Heathrow is going to be instituted this time by the slot coordinators. And we don't have the full details on how that's going to work yet, but the new arrangement would probably continue to impact all the airlines serving Heathrow through the second week in September. So I would just say we're very disappointed in the circumstances. We have high load factors this summer. Again, we're told by the airport at the very last minute that they can't handle the passengers and that we need to reduce the capacity. And just final point, fortunately, we don't see these same kinds of caps on the horizon in the United States, but we do expect to face similar issues and challenges that additional international locations through the summer.
Robert Isom:
Hey Helane, I'll just close with this. Look, we're going to put these measures in place, work with the airport authorities. At the end of the day, we've got to match capacity to the resources that are available, and we're going to push hard to make sure that all of the airports that we work with get resources they need to serve our operations at the size that it should be. So thanks for the question.
Helane Becker:
Thanks very much. Have a great day team.
Operator:
Thank you. And one moment for our next question. Our next question coming from the line of Jamie Baker with JPMorgan. Your line is open.
Jamie Baker:
Hey good morning. I guess since Helane brought up London, I flew back on American yesterday, nothing but positive things to say. I'll take that up with Scott offline. First question for Vasu. So last quarter, you brought up a phenomenon of corporate travelers combining business with pleasure, extending trips, bringing the spouse, that sort of thing. With another 90 days of corporate recovery under your belt now, I mean, is the trend any different? And to the extent that this is sustainable, is there a way to actually monetize it, or is it just sort of gravy? If it happens, great, if not, no biggie?
Vasu Raja:
Hi Jamie, thanks for the question. And the topic, which is very frequently on our minds here because indeed, in the last 90 days and be the nine months or 12 months before that, the trends have not abated. In fact, they've grown even stronger. I mentioned in our last call when you asked the question, that it used to be as much as 70%, 75% of our revenues could be both identified and would self-classify itself very binary as traveling only for business or only for leisure, and now that's only 50%. And that other 50% that's there indeed is still there. It tends to be higher yielding. It comes to a directly through our dot-com and mobile. And it's looking for -- and it does that largely because it's looking for travel experiences and journeys and things like that, which the industry hasn't been able to make available through the very antiquated technologies and things like that that we've been prone to using. So yes, this really has opened our eyes to creating a lot of value for these kinds of customers who are a growing number. Like all of our advantage enrollments are coming out of that population, they're disproportionately concentrated in places where American has just a lot of natural strength. Think of the Sunbelt, Midwest, the Southeast. So we're really encouraged by what we see. And indeed, it's proven through the pandemic to be a very durable source of demand that's both high-yielding and wants a lot more in the airline product than just a single transaction. So it is very much on our minds, and it's probably going to shape a lot of view in the months and quarters ahead.
Jamie Baker:
Okay, great. Thanks for that. And then second question, probably for Derek or Robert, but the demand data is obviously super encouraging. You're smaller than you were pre-COVID, but you're generating more revenue. I mean, that's -- it's a great strategy for many businesses, I suppose, but your margins aren't recovered, and you weren't satisfied with your pre-COVID margins to begin with. So simple question, what are the drivers of higher margins from here?
Robert Isom:
Well, Jamie, let me start with just -- from the top, and then Derek can go into more detail. Look, there's more margin growth at American. We've resourced this airline to fly a larger airline, just plain and simple. We've built in a lot of redundancies. And even in June, those redundancies weren't enough. But over time, we know that we can utilize our assets a lot harder than we have been able to, to this point. And as you take a look going forward in terms of margins, I know that the third quarter, look, we've pulled out some additional flying, and that's fine that we would rather do. You know that we have regional aircraft that aren't in the air. And while we may not have the pilots, we have the other resources to actually fly those aircraft. So the key to us is ultimately to be able to use our assets at a higher rate. But Derek, go ahead.
Derek Kerr:
No, I was going to say the exact same things. And Jamie, as we look at the second quarter, we talked about 100 regional aircraft being out on the ground, and we had probably about 40 mainline aircraft -- equivalent aircraft on the ground. So you're talking about 150 -- 140, 150 aircraft that aren't being utilized. So two things have to happen is, the resources come and we put those aircraft back up in the air. We've got to get out of those aircraft. So we really want to fly all those. We want to get back to the utilization that we were at, and that is where the margin comes because, as Robert said, we are built from a cost perspective to fly those aircraft. And today, we're not. So that's where it's at, and that's where we believe as we get ourselves back up to ASM levels in the 2019, it comes at a much cheaper cost because the assets are here.
Robert Isom:
And Jamie, just to add one other point, just from even a second quarter perspective. The month of June was really hard on the airline. 27 out of 30 days, we had severe weather that resulted in ramp closures, ground staff, ground delay programs, aerospace flow programs. And in sum, we flew at least a percentage point or more, less than we would have otherwise. June and the second quarter would have been better had we seen a more normal type close to the quarter. So that gives me optimism that there's not only utilization that we can work our way out of, but also more normal operating conditions are going to benefit us as we go forward as well.
Jamie Baker:
Okay. Very helpful. Thank you, gentlemen. Take care.
Operator:
One moment for next question. Our next question coming from the line Savi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is open.
Savi Syth:
Hey, good morning. If I might on -- just a kind of a follow-up to Jamie's question there. So if you look at versus 2019, just how much has kind of inflation been built in? I know you have kind of this regional pilot pay that's kind of builds in there. So how much of these kind of increases are structural versus what could we -- like if I take your either 3Q or your kind of full year unit cost, like how much is structural versus how much could we see go away as you get back to 2019 level capacity?
Derek Kerr:
Well, I would say as we look at the cost structure, the cost trading we talked about is built to fly another 150 aircraft. So we did add cost in. So if you take the third quarter over the second quarter, the increase is really driven by three things, which is mainline salaries due to putting in some of the pilot contract issues, the maintenance is up year-over-year just because of engine overhauls and things that we’re seeing throughout the summer. And then the regional plan I would say that’s put into place. So, the regional plan is put into place to get more aircraft up in the air. So, that hopefully that is there, it’s there to stay engine of higher cost to fly regional and the new contract that we would put in place regional is there. That hopefully drives more aircraft back up in the air. We’ll see where that goes. If it doesn't, then that cost doesn't come. So I think those things are built in, they're going to be there as we move forward. So it's important for us to get the utilization back up and get the aircraft in the air.
Savi Syth:
That makes sense. And if I can ask just a follow-up on that regional pilot pay. The pay was surprising, and I understand that at least part of it is a bonus that supposedly rolls off in 2024. But given how, kind of, much the gap versus mainline pay has been narrowed or, in some cases, even higher than mainline pay, just is that sustainable from an economic standpoint for those markets because you're flying them with small aircraft, fuel is a bigger impact on those smaller markets? Is that sustainable long-term, or is it the right move right now because maybe because capacity is out of those markets and fares are high, or you just need to get this capacity back up? I was just kind of curious as the thinking behind that big of a pay increase?
Robert Isom:
Savi, let me start and then I know some others might want to jump in. The answer to that is yes. Look, the regional network to American Airlines is incredibly important, and whether it's 50 or 65 or 76-seat aircraft, being able to serve those markets in a way that connects to our hubs and then unleashes the breadth of the rest of our network, that's a really compelling offering that achieves higher yields. And so even though pilot expense for those regional aircraft will be going up, we're confident that the yields that will be introduced we'll take that into account. But one thing I want to make clear, though, is as we take a look at regional pilot pay, but it costs quite a bit of money to become a pilot. And the expectations for a pilot coming out and saying taking that first job, right, they have changed over time. So as we look forward, I do think that as an industry, pilot wages are going to increase. And that's something that the industry as a whole is going to have to digest. And ultimately, that will show up through our cost structure and be a factor in terms of how we try to monetize our product.
Vasu Raja:
Yeah. Savi, this is Vasu. I'll just add that to what Robert said in this, but for our airline in particular, so much of how we create value and drive margins is by creating as many unique O&Ds as we can. And you've seen it through many quarters now where we've flown more capacity in the industry that can produce higher, but there are good nominal PRASM, at least as good, if not better than what our network competitors are, certainly in domestic and short haul. And a major part of that is the regional jet. In this last quarter, we flew 20% -- we had 20% more O&Ds than what our next largest network competitor did. And in those markets, we are seeing yields that are 25% greater than what happened to the rest of the system. Indeed, that's what's really driving the yield growth that's there. And many of those markets are where we see the high-value blended demand that Jamie asked about earlier. So indeed, not only is it something sustainable. It's something which is a unique feature of what we do and always will be.
Savi Syth:
Appreciate that. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question coming from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI. Your line is open.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey, thanks. Good morning. Maybe we'll start where Savi just left off. So, I guess, anybody could do what you're doing on the pay side. So it's hard to see how that's a unique benefit. So, historically, on the regional side that pay arbitrage was one of the reasons that profitability worked. So why is -- why are pay increases like this the right answer from a profitability perspective? I understand why they might be the right answer from a small market, market share perspective. But why is that a better answer than your peers from a margin perspective?
Robert Isom:
Duane, let me start. Well, first off, again, the days of being able to go out and attract a pilot for wages that are $40,000 a year, okay, are gone. I don't think that we're going to return to an environment where that is the type of compensation that regional pilots make. It's a different world. And for pilots coming in, we're still not talking about exorbitant salaries. And I think that, that is something that, no matter the carrier, they're going to face the issues of having to pay higher rates for pilots. That said, there is a uniqueness about American Airlines network that allows us to use regional -- our regional network and our regional pilots in a fashion that produces outsized yield. That's what will differentiate us. It's not that, hey, we're going to go out and be able to have a slight difference in terms of pilot wages and that's going to make the difference in terms of the margin we make as a company. Vasu, you want to add something?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, I'll just add to it very simply, Duane, an industry that has struggled for a long time to be able to pass its cost into revenue, at least for us, what we've seen time and time again with the regionals is, anytime there has been a cost increase, that is the one part of the business where we can most consistently pass it through to revenues. And we do it because of what it does. It creates a unique product for customers that increasingly nobody else but American Airlines can go and do. And when you look through our system, right, there's many of those markets that you simply couldn't upgauge. And even if you did upgauge it, flying to large cities, Birmingham, Alabama, Wilmington, North Carolina, once a day in a 737, doesn't really create a lot of utility for what those really big metro areas in the US. So for us, this is actually a place where by doing it, and frankly, by doing it through our wholly owned regional jets, which themselves are very massive airlines, it creates a lot of unique value for our customers, which turns into revenue for us.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Appreciate that perspective. And then, just one thing that's a little confusing to me, can you clear up the difference in characterization on corporate? A couple of your peers call it sort of 80% recovered. Perhaps you carried kind of less of that premium traffic going in. Maybe differences in hub geography explains it. But why do you see it as sort of fully recovered versus the 80%? And if much more of it is coming through your own distribution, how do you know it's corporate? Thanks for taking the questions.
Vasu Raja:
Yeah. Thanks, Duane. And I think this is an important clarification because I think that maybe throughout the industry, people use a lot of different words or the same words to mean different things. Let me be really specific about what we do. When we talk about business, we talk about a trip type that is business. And this is Jamie's question. We're able to go and calibrate it on. We ask customers did you actually buy for business, and we can actually go and look at it. Was it a single person in the itinerary? They didn't check a bag. They did a day trip, likely business, right? And so business revenue is that. And for us, historically, that business revenue has been 40% to 45%. Of that, a component of it, historically, there is a 60/40 split between what we consider unmanaged or small businesses and really managed businesses. These are large corporations that contract, travel globally typically, right? They use large travel agencies to help them manage the program. And so for us, what we see is that business revenue is indeed 40% to 45% recovered. The nature of it has changed materially, though, where that unmanaged business is 125% to 130% recovered and that managed or contracted corporate business is indeed about 75% to 80% recovered, maybe consistent with other things that you've heard. That, of course -- and that's the thing that we've been seeing for some time. This seems to be a relatively durable trend and one that will continue, which is that there's going to be more and more unmanaged business out there. And indeed, we see even with those accounts that are contracted corporate accounts, as we emerge from the pandemic, fewer and fewer of them are enforcing travel policies are doing a lot of the things that they contracted to begin with anyway. So that's a trend, which we anticipate will continue. And hopefully, that clarifies the point too.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
It does. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question coming from the line of David Vernon with Bernstein. Your line is open.
David Vernon:
Hi, good morning guys. So Robert and Derek, I want to talk a little bit about the rate of recovery in either pre-tax or operating margins. You were down on pre-tax sort of 390 bps close to 2019 in the second quarter. It looks the same on a September level. And I'm just trying to get a sense for when we should start to expect to see those pre-tax margins recover. And is that all 100% driven by volume recovery, or is there something to do on the revenue side or the cost side to accelerate the rate of change in the profit margin?
Robert Isom:
Well, I'll just start. David, look, this gets back to the question that's asked earlier. We have a lot of redundancy built into the business utilization isn't where we need it. I think that as we take a look to the future, we're depending on a couple of things. One is, fortunately, we're in a really strong revenue environment and as we're looking to the third quarter, anticipating [Technical Difficulty] revenue environment. And as we're looking to the third quarter, anticipating 20% to 24% increases in TRASM versus 2019. From a cost perspective, that's where we would like to see unit costs come in lower. And the big driver to that is making sure that we fly a more fulsome schedule and take out the redundancy that we have built in. And it gets back again to how quickly we can get these tests back up, from a regional perspective, get the 787s back in. And my view is that, that's the name of the game for us as we go forward. And as we take a look into the rest of 2022 and 2023, our goal is to make sure that we're utilizing our assets as hard as we possibly can.
David Vernon:
And if I'm going to play devil's advocate and say, this isn't necessarily the case that we're thinking about, but in a world where we don't get that capacity and recovery, the conversation within the company or the Board around maybe restructuring asset level, that resource level to some new level of lower, not saying that's a base case. But I'm just wondering, as you guys think about managing the organization through the next couple of years here, if we end up in a world where that next 10% of ASM, the demand just isn't there, what are the levers that you could pull to maybe get the source level down?
Robert Isom:
Hey, David, I mean, you've nailed it. We will size the airline for the demand that's out there. So right now, there's more demand than we'd like to be servicing. We have the capacity to be able to do it. But as time goes forward, if that demand doesn't materialize, what we will do is we will size the airline appropriately. We have flexibility within our fleet to be able to take out, I believe, everything that we would need to in terms of matching demand going forward. And on top of that, then we would size the resources around it, including all of the people resources. Now on that front, we have great flexibility, because we're hiring so many folks just to make sure that we can run the airline as we need to. So whether it's a people perspective, whether it's a fleet perspective, we have the ability to size the airline for the demand in fact that's out there.
Derek Kerr:
Yes. I'll add some numbers there, David. In 2023, we've got 95 lease renewals; 2024, 72 lease renewals. We have unencumbered aircraft of over 200 aircraft. We have deliveries coming in. In 2023, we have 31 and 2024, 47. So that is exactly right. What you said is what we would do. We're not there yet, because we believe that the demand is there to get more of these aircraft up. But if we see that, then that is what we would do is, not renew leases, push deliveries like we have in the past. You saw us last quarter push out some deliveries on the 789s and make sure that we right-size those. And then we would take some of the unencumbered assets, and we would move those and sell those and not put them back up in the air. So that's where we would go. You're exactly right.
David Vernon:
All right. Thank you, guys.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question coming from the line of Daniel McKenzie with Seaport Global. Your line is open.
Daniel McKenzie:
Hey. Good morning. Thanks, guys. Going back to the commentary of more margin growth over time, setting aside market expectations for a recession, and just putting a finer point on the prior commentary, all else equal, based on what you see today, are the initiatives in place to offset the structurally higher costs in this next cycle? So just putting a finer point on getting back to margins in the last cycle or actually exceeding those? Because in the past, the commentary seemed pretty bullish for doing a little bit better than what you've done on your historical margins.
Robert Isom:
So, hey, Daniel. Thanks for the question, and others might chime in here, too. I'll bring us back a little bit because I think the -- what we're focusing on right now is getting back to sustained profitability. So we've reported within guide this quarter despite really challenging operating conditions. We're expecting profitability as we go into the third quarter. And our intent is to stay in the black, okay? That's job number one. As we go out, it's still a murky environment out there, right? We're recovering from the pandemic. And we're doing so well. We know that demand now is back and back strong. There are so many constraints out there in terms of aircraft deliveries, in terms of just people and pilots that, look, we think that we're going to be in a position where we have the ability to improve revenue performance and get higher utilization out of the assets that we have. That bodes well for the future. But I'm reluctant to look too far out to 2023, and say that there are certain margins that we will or will not hit. And I'll leave it at that unless anybody else wants to chime in.
Derek Kerr:
No. But I would say, yeah, that is our goal and that we know where we were in 2019. We know what those pre-tax EBITDA margins are. Getting the asset utilization back up where the demand environment is, would get us back to those levels. So it is all about moving forward, getting the asset utilization where it needs to be to get the aircraft back up in the air, and we can reach those levels for sure.
Vasu Raja:
And Dan, let me pick up where Derek left off, too. In this way, if you think about American Airlines prior to the pandemic, we flew more capacity than many of our competitors, but we've produced certainly lower nominal PRASM than what many of our -- certainly, what the industry leader at the time was. And through the pandemic, we've done a lot. In fact, this is Robert's commentary really. We didn't just simplify the fleet. We also concentrated the network where 70% to 75% of it is flying in places where we can create really outsized consumer value, Sunbelt, NC, L.A., Heathrow, and we've really leaned hard into partnerships to create value where we couldn't organically, and now we're in a place where really for a couple of quarters, we can fly 5% to 15% more capacity than the 2019 PRASM, but produced PRASMs that are pretty comparable to that. So that's when we say getting asset utilization up and running, it's a meaningful thing. But the thing that has to be lost is that doesn't mean we're putting back 2019. Like there's not a world where we're going to go back into flying money and losing flights for strategic purposes or things like that. There's not a world where we go and complicate it. But there is one where we've really realized more unique O&Ds we create, the more that turns into real revenue production for the airline. And that's the basis to go build off of and, from that, a lot more as possible it will be.
Daniel McKenzie:
Yeah. Understood. Thanks for that. A question on the regional operation. What does it look like one to three years from now, same, size, smaller? And as you look at the percent of the regional network that's competing against mainline aircraft, where is that today? And is -- where would you like to see it? And is that an opportunity for helping to drive margin expansion?
Robert Isom:
Daniel, it's absolutely been an opportunity to drive margin expansion. First goal is to just get all the aircraft that we have back up and flying. And so our fleet is -- our regional aircraft is roughly 600 aircraft. Love to get those back up. And over time, there will be changes in terms of mix to that fleet, but it will be based on how effective it supports our hubs and the rest of the mainline operation, too. So first goal and one that I think will take the next couple of years for sure is to get to all 600 back up and flying.
Daniel McKenzie:
Thanks for your time, guys.
Operator:
One moment for our next question. Our next question coming from the line of Sheila Kahyaoglu with Jefferies. Your line is open.
Sheila Kahyaoglu:
Hi. Good morning, guys and thank you for the time. I echo Jamie's comments. I don't know if you guys were screening for airline analysts going into Heathrow, but my experience of American was pretty good.
Robert Isom:
All right. That’s I’d like to hear.
Sheila Kahyaoglu:
Maybe just talking to your other large hubs. If you could talk about unit revenue in JFK and LAX, you mentioned in your prepared remarks it's outperforming the total system. Can you maybe provide some color on that? Is that relative to 2019 or on an absolute unit revenue basis across the system?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Hey, thanks for the question. This is Vasu. And the answer is both. To Robert's specific point, that is compared to our system in absolute. But let me provide a little bit of context behind the point. For us, historically, in New York, especially New York Kennedy and L.A., American Airlines typically produced unit revenues that were, let's call it, 90% of what the industry produce to its domestic system. And now those are starting to get -- both in New York Kennedy and in Los Angeles, we're starting to produce unit revenues that are much more in line with the domestic system. This is material for us because our largest hubs where our capacity concentration is still great; are able to produce unit revenues at a real advantage to what our competitors are able to do. So we were able to go and serve these markets with higher unit revenues as it bleeds through. It's something that we tend to look at really, really closely. But what we're really most encouraged about in New York and L.A. is this isn't just a function of going in there and cutting a bunch of flights or growing RASM. We've improved the consumer proposition that's there. In New York, certainly, we -- between American Airlines and JetBlue, our Northeast Alliance has put back more capacity sooner than anybody else. We've launched new routes. We've taken the American Airlines metal in the market like Delta in India that, two or three years ago, would have been relatively unthinkable, and our consumers are responding. We're seeing originating market share, both in that partnership and also our West Coast partnership with Alaska, and that's coming directly away from our large network competitors. So we're encouraged by the whole thing. And really the context for it is, this consumer proposition is starting to bleed its way into the unit revenue results, and that's most encouraging of all.
Sheila Kahyaoglu:
Great. Thank you for that color, Vasu. And then, maybe, just following up on the regional questions. Is there any way to think about the current impact of subdued regional operations on the mainline operation and the traffic you're missing out on?
Vasu Raja:
I'm sorry, could you repeat the question, Sheila? We missed that part here.
Sheila Kahyaoglu:
Sorry. Can you -- just talking about the regional operations, is there any way to quantify how much you're missing out on traffic because of subdued regional operations?
Vasu Raja:
Because of subdued regional operations, got it. It's really difficult to do. We've actually taken a couple of cuts at it, because the reality is that, this is such a sort of unprecedented time of the industry where there are so many constraints on the infrastructure, so many issues with aircraft deliveries, resources, things like that. But it's hard to really isolate what effect it is. In fact, when we look at it, what we find is through the pandemic, we've been able to sustain a lot more of the connectivity of our system through the regional jets. And those places where we've sustained the connectivity are really what's driving our yield growth. And it's bringing in new customers that are not in necessarily large coastal metro areas. So it's hard to kind of isolate it just because there are so many variables at play, but for Robert and Derek's commentary, the regional jet, especially the wholly-owned regional jet is really key to helping our mainline fleet grow and recover its utilization.
Sheila Kahyaoglu:
Okay, great. Thank you so much.
Operator:
One moment for our next question. And our next question coming from the line of Andrew Didora with Bank of America. Your line is open.
Andrew Didora:
Hey good morning, everyone. Vasu, just a question on your 3Q revenue guide. When I look at other airlines, I think you guys are now the one that's not pointing to a sequential acceleration in total revenue growth 2Q to 3Q. Why do you think that is? And are you just trying to be a little bit more conservative given what's going on out there in the macro environment right now?
Vasu Raja:
Well, let me start by saying, we're actually really encouraged by demand. I mean, the demand for our product has been high in a historical way. That continues. And indeed, the way demand is coming back is both really encouraging and somewhat different than what was there before from my earlier commentary. But really, when you see when you go from 2Q to 3Q is, first of all, just a change in capacity production. We're taking a more conservative view of just how we size the airlines and the resources we have for Robert's comments, and that impacts a lot of it. And then beyond that, really, there's a wide range that we have in unit revenue production because we're really encouraged by the trends that we see. But if we've learned anything over the last couple of quarters, things could go change a lot. But right now, our optimism -- but we see nothing to really materially that excludes our optimism in any way.
Andrew Didora:
Okay, understood. And then I've just been thinking, given the operational challenges across the entire industry, do you think that all -- that's going to influence the way maybe corporate's willingness to travel come the fall? Have you or Robert had any conversations with your big managed corporate clients that have maybe expressed concerns over this operational reliability? Just curious your thoughts on that? Thanks.
Vasu Raja:
Look, I'll start and then others can pick up, too. Part of it -- and this kind of goes to some of my earlier commentary. One of the things that we're seeing is that like large corporate, large contract corporations are starting to just use different tools than what they had before. Prior to the pandemic, if corporations wanted to go and manage travel behavior, they could create more elaborate travel policies and hire a range of consultants and other firms to help manage that. But now through the pandemic, video conferencing has become normalized. There's a lot more flexibility in the workplace and things like that. And so what we see actually is, in a lot of cases, corporations, so they may be -- they may not be enforcing travel policies as much as there was before. There is a lot more latitude. And so we'll see customers who will often supply out of their travel policy will pay more for a service that might have been there before, but they might be traveling less if they're worried about, for example, issues at London Heathrow. So at large, we're really encouraged by what we see. But the way corporations are probably going to go and manage this as a practical matter, it's probably going to be very different than what was there. And we see that in the data, right? There's fewer people who are very conforming to a travel policy. It's hard to see how that changes. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, because we continue to see demand come in, and we're encouraged about where it may go, even if it goes to -- if it comes back differently.
Robert Isom:
Hey, Andrew. I'll just add one other point. And it's just this. Look, travel is coming back in record numbers, which is fantastic. And we have set really, really high standards for ourselves in terms of operational reliability. We, look, start out every day, doing everything we can to get every single passenger every flight to where it used to go on time. But if you take a look at really what's going on in the second quarter, okay, we're not that far in terms of overall operating performance from where we have been historically. As a matter of fact, in the second quarter, American did better than it did in 2019. And if you take a look back at prior quarters of history, we're not that far off from other points as well. The fact of the matter is, is that, look, we have operating conditions that we have to be sensitive to. I can't, nor can anyone else do anything about 27 out of 30 days of really severe weather in a number of our hubs that just ultimately result in flight canceling and that rolling from day to day. And when we talk about weather, please understand this, it's not weather. It's safety, okay? When there are air traffic control programs, when there's weather, when there's -- we're doing -- we're taking access to make sure that we ensure the safety of our folks, of not just our customers but also the people on the ground. When ramps close, it's due to widening strikes. And so those kind of things are things that we're always going to take into account. And you know what, there will be seasonal variability to what we do. Everybody is working very hard. I know that our government partners are working very hard. The airlines are working very hard, and I know that the rest of the world will get to where the United States is, which, in the scheme of things, United States is doing very well compared to the rest of the world.
Andrew Didora:
Very clear. Thank you very much.
Operator:
And our next question coming from the line of Stephen Trent from Citi. Your line is open.
Stephen Trent:
Good morning, everybody and thanks very much for taking my question. I just wanted to go back to something you mentioned earlier about investments that you've been making that have affected your near-term cost. I think people are pretty aware that you guys are making a big effort on the pilot side, and that makes sense. But could you elaborate maybe outside of crew, whether you're making digital type investments or other processes that can improve your throughput? Thank you.
Robert Isom:
Yes. Let me ask Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer to step in here.
Maya Leibman:
Hi. We're super excited about a lot of the digital enhancements that we've been making. I'll separate them, as Robert said, into our main goals of operational reliability and profitability. On the reliability side, we've done so much to really shore up how we responded in irregular operation to bring our crews back together. We've also really enhanced some focus on how we do gating at some of our larger airports like Dallas and Charlotte. And when we get better at that, what happens is we reduce the taxi times. So we save fuel. We dedicate more time to the turn, and we better utilize our assets. We've also done some interesting work in creating algorithms that help us, especially in markets like Charlotte, where we get these pop-up thunderstorms, where we can actually slow down the operation a little bit rather than use a blunt force instrument, like canceling an entire batch [ph]. So while flights may get a little bit delayed, at least they arrive as opposed to what we were doing previously. On the profitability side, we've done so much in terms of putting new products in the market like the ability to upsell to a higher cabin, which gives us -- we'd have more flexibility in how we price that project and the channels that can be purchased in. We've done a lot of improvements in overbooking technology. In a world where there's no change fee, there's a lot more volatility when it comes to cancels, closing cancels and no-shows that we have to have a better overbooking strategy for that. You've heard Vasu mention how important our partnerships are and how we rely on them for revenue generation, where we need to create a much more seamless experience for our customers when they're traveling on us and, for example, JetBlue or Alaska. And finally, you also heard Vasu talk about the loyalty program and how we have used it to really grow our co-brand spend, our enrollments are up, and engagement with the program is really up. So those are just a few of the things that we're doing.
Stephen Trent:
That’s very helpful, and let me leave it there, and thanks very much.
Operator:
Thank you. And I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Isom for any closing remarks.
Robert Isom:
Well, I'll just -- I'll close with -- pardon me. We're on -- we're going to go to media next. Okay, great. Media next. Thank you.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, we will now move to media question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] First question is coming from Alison Sider [Wall Street Journal]. Your line is open.
Alison Sider:
Hi, thanks so much. Just curious if you could share anything if you're seeing any delay disruptions that are tied to not having enough spare parts or engines, if there's any kind of supply chain types of issues you're seeing there?
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Ali. I'll have our Chief Operating Officer, David Seymour, take that one.
David Seymour:
I appreciate the question there. Yeah, that's something throughout the pandemic that we've been monitoring very closely working with our large OEM partners throughout to stay ahead of that. And so we've been doing a lot to provide forward look at what our requirements are. So while we know the supply chain systems are tight, we've taken a lot of steps throughout the pandemic to stay ahead of that. And so right now, we're not experiencing those. But again, we know that they're not far away, and we're going to continue to monitor the cost.
Robert Isom:
Yeah. And Ali, I would just say the biggest supply chain issue has been the aircraft manufacturers themselves. We haven't had the, kind of, the delivery certainty that we'd like. So we know that our friends at Boeing and Airbus are working hard to get that back on track.
Alison Sider:
And then I guess just on hiring, do you still have a lot of hiring left to do, or has it shifted more towards just training and getting everyone up to speed and sort of pull up the level of experience?
Robert Isom:
So, hey, Ali, I'll start on this. Look, at American Airlines, I know we have 12,000 more team members in position, but that resulted -- is a result of 20,000 team members that we've had to bring on board and get up to speed. We're behind 2,200 pilots both this year and next year. We've done a great job, I think, in just about every other rank within our team to get the right people on board. So from an American Airlines perspective, we're doing a good job. Of course, we'd like for the regionals to have more supply of new pilots, but we're working hard on that. Over the long run, though, coming to American Airlines is, it's not only a great career, great competition, great benefits. The time to get here is now, because if you ever want to get in and build seniority or take on a new role and lead, it's a good time to come to America.
Alison Sider:
Thanks.
Operator:
Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question coming from the line of Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg. Your line is open.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Hey. Thank you. Derek, I wanted to see if you could clarify one thing. You said you have 140 to 150 planes on the ground, but you referred to mainline equivalent aircraft. So can you be a little more specific? You've got 100 regional jets. And then what makes up the rest of that number?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. The mainline equivalent, our mainline aircraft, but what we've done is, instead of pulling aircraft out of the schedule, we lowered the utilization on those aircraft. So if you normally fly 10 hours a day, we now fly 9 hours a day. And if you take that hour across the entire fleet, its equivalent to about 44, 45 aircraft. So we haven't really pulled anything out of the schedule. We've floated. Now as we look forward, I think the right answer is, we pulled down capacity in the third and fourth quarter is to probably take some of those aircraft out and utilize them for spares and for maintenance lines and utilize them to make the reliability better in the airline. So I think as we go forward, we'll do it a little bit differently than we have and not -- and we'll raise the utilization on the rest of the fleet, but take some aircraft out to provide relief for David and his operating team to have more aircraft for maintenance and more aircraft for spares.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay. Great. And how long do you expect that conditions in the industry are going to require American to limit its capacity?
Robert Isom:
Well, look, if I knew the answer to that one, really good position. But, hey, look, I think it's dependent on the supply chains, aircraft manufacturers and ultimately, pilot supply to get all back in sync. We're doing our part. And as we've talked, we look at, from a mainline perspective, kind of getting everything back fully utilized over the course of next year or so. And then from a regional perspective, it's just going to take a little bit longer than that, maybe two or three years, to kind of get the supply chain for pilots back to where we need it to be. So that's the way I look at it. Overall, I am confident that everybody is getting back to work, and the variability will hopefully be reduced and the kind of operating performance will improve from where it was even pre-pandemic.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Right. And when you refer to supply chains, are you actually talking about physical like assets like supplies that Ali asked about, or are you talking more and predominantly about pilots alone?
Robert Isom:
So well, pilots are one piece. But what I'm speaking of is, Mary, there's not a day that goes by where we don't have issues with provisioning our aircraft with pillows, blankets, plastic cups, food. At various times, we have issues with fueling. It's just -- the concessionaires at the airport. It's just a myriad of things that have to -- that all have to come together to put an aircraft in the air. And yes, the supply chain for aircraft parts is one thing that we monitor closely. But it's all these other things that we really are dependent on so many other parts of the system. And then again, I mentioned our government partners, it's our airport partners, and it's so many others. Aviation touches just a broad swath of the economy. And we need it all to get back to working really well.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay. Thanks very much.
Operator:
Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question is coming from the line of Kyle Arnold with Dallas Morning News. Your line is open.
Kyle Arnold:
Hey, thanks so much. You mentioned the capacity trim in the third and the fourth quarter. Considering that July is almost over and summer travel season has about a month left in it, where are you looking at making those costs? Are they going to be coming after the peak summer demand is over? And what kind of demand, I guess, are you seeing for the fall? And does that play into this capacity cut decisions?
Vasu Raja:
Yeah. Hey Kyle, thanks. This is Vasu. So first, a number of the cuts that we talked about have already been loaded into our published schedules that are there. And as we go into fall, effectively, we're going to take capacity in the places where it can create the most operational benefit, which means, one, it can go and turn into the best quality -- the best level of reliability for our customers, and also where we can reaccommodate people the best. So we've minimized a passenger disruption. And then as we go forward into later September, October and deeper into the winter, we have time yet to go and figure out how that goes. There's still a number of things that we're looking at before we make that determination.
Robert Isom:
Next question.
Operator:
Our next question is coming from the line of Holden Wilen with Dallas Business Journal. Your line is open.
Holden Wilen:
Hi. Thanks for taking my question this morning. I just wanted to, I guess, get your thoughts on elasticity. And if you have any concerns about that going forward, we're seeing fares continue to go up. Do you have any concerns about as shares go up, what effect that might have on elasticity going forward?
Vasu Raja:
Hey, thanks for the question. This is Vasu. And no, we don't spend a lot of time worrying about it, just for one simple reason, that what we try to do is create the most value for our customers. And when they like it, they pay us for it. And so, a lot of what you see out there is, there is so much demand that's surging back into travel. As people went through the pandemic, you see and tons of data that consumers create experiences and there's no experience like the experience of travel. And it's bringing a lot of people back, and a lot of people are coming back and doing things for very different reasons than before. And so that's what's really driving things as much as anything. And concepts such as the elasticity of our demand, while it's probably intellectually satisfying to talk about, the reality of it is that consumers really like what they're getting, being able to go and travel the world again, and they're taking advantage of it, and that's turning into relatively higher fares.
Holden Wilen:
Thanks. And then just a sec -- my other question. You talked earlier about the issues at Heathrow. Just curious about maybe if you could talk about where you're sort of at overall from a recovery standpoint within international travel.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. I can pick that up, too. So look, this -- the second quarter was very robust. Even though we didn't have all of our -- the wide-bodies that we had planned to take, nonetheless, those that we had performed extremely well, we have -- there's a lot of pent-up demand for people going internationally, wherever that might be, transpacific, transatlantic, and long-haul South America. And we anticipate that, that will continue through the year. Now the summer, the international testing requirement was dropped. And while we saw some benefit of that, it was dropped pretty deep into the booking curve. We anticipate there will be -- that they'll have a much more significant impact on travel demand as we go into the fall and already we're seeing indications of it. And last but not least, short-haul international of Mexico, Central America, the Caribbean, has data remains extremely strong for American Airlines, and we anticipate that will be the case going forward.
Holden Wilen:
Thank you, very much.
Operator:
One moment for our next question. Our next question coming from the line of Lori Aratani with Washington Post. Your line is open.
Lori Aratani:
Hi. Thank you for taking the time. I wondered if you could go over the hiring numbers again, how many folks you've brought on, how close that gets you to where you want to be. And as a question on that, how much of the staffing issues are hiring versus training?
Robert Isom:
Thanks for that question. Look, our staffing issues are really making sure that we can cover the variability that's in the operations today. We have more people per flight hour, per flight than we have ever had in our company's history on duty. What we're dealing with right now is just a lot of variability in the operating environment. To get to the point where we are now, we've added 12,000 positions, gone out and hired 20,000 people to actually fill those and cover for other attrition. The only shortfall that we have right now is really among our regional pilots. Of course, we're going to do things to make sure that we run the airline as reliably as possible and also take into account more extreme variability in operating conditions. We're doing that by pulling the schedule as we go into the third quarter. But we hope that all the work that we've done puts us in a position where we can restore service, get back up to speed as quickly as possible.
Lori Aratani:
Great. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. And that does conclude the media Q&A. I will now turn it back to Mr. Robert Isom for closing remarks.
Robert Isom:
Thank you so much. And I'll just close with this. I am so proud of our team after fighting through this global pandemic for the last 2.5 years battling every step of the way, persevering, caring for customers and each other every single day. We set a couple of goals. One is to return to profitability and to run the most reliable airline we could. And I am so pleased to report that we have returned to profitability. We intend to stay that way. And I know that our team is intent on making sure that we produce the kind of products that we're all proud of and that our customers want to fly. So thanks for listening in, and we'll talk to you next quarter.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, that does not cut our conference for today. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Good day.
Operator:
Good morning, and welcome to the American Airlines Group First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. And now, I'd like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Head of Investor Relations, Mr. Scott Long.
Scott Long :
Thank you, Katherine. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group first quarter 2022 earnings conference call. On the call this morning, we have our CEO, Robert Isom; and our CFO, Derek Kerr. Also on the call for the Q&A session are David Seymour, Vasu Raja and a number of other senior executives. Robert will start the call this morning with an overview of the first and our priorities for the year. Derek will follow with the details on the quarter and our operating plans and outlook going forward. After Derek's comments, we'll open the call for analyst questions, followed by questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Now before we begin today, I must state that today's call contains forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecasts of capacity and fleet plans. These statements represent our predictions and expectations of future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release that was issued this morning as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2022. In addition, we'll be discussing several non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release, which can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information we are giving you on the call morning is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thank you for your interest and for joining this morning. And with that, I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Robert Isom.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. We're going to keep our comments brief this morning. I'm a strong believer that the results speak louder than words, and I'm confident in the results the American Airlines team will produce. Now let's start by thanking our team. Day in and day out, they're on the front line, taking care of our customers no matter what comes our way. And we've certainly seen a lot come our way over the past 2 years. The American Airlines team has worked hard to position us well for the recovery, by simplifying our fleet, modernizing our facilities, fine-tuning our network, developing new partnerships, rolling out new tools for our customers and team and hiring thousands of new team members. All that, while flying the largest airline in the world. I'm excited to see their work pay off for all of our constituents; our customers, certainly; the communities we serve; our team; and notably, our shareholders. It's an honor for me to have the trust of our team and to succeed Doug Parker as CEO and to begin in this position as the industry rebounds and our company returns to profitability. I'm extremely grateful for the opportunity. It's a fantastic time for the industry and for American Airlines in particular. For the year ahead, we are resolute in achieving 2 key goals above all else, running a reliable operation and returning to profitability. Our team is up to the challenge, and we've already seen a lot of great progress. So let's talk about financials first. This morning, American reported a first quarter GAAP net loss of $1.6 billion. Excluding net special items, we reported a net loss of $1.5 billion for the quarter. Despite the quarterly loss in a difficult January and February due to the effects of Omicron, March results were markedly different. In March, we saw what's possible with surging demand brought on by reduced infection rates, relaxed restrictions and tremendous pent-up demand for people to travel. Despite a sizable increase in the cost of fuel during March, American achieved our first monthly net profit, excluding special items, since July of 2021. Demand is as strong as we've ever seen it. American produced revenues of $8.9 billion in the first quarter, including industry-leading passenger revenues of $7.8 billion. Domestic leisure travel continued to lead the way, far surpassing 2019 levels of traffic and revenue in the month of March. In addition, we saw strong quarter-over-quarter improvement in corporate and government travel with revenue for this segment as a percentage of 2019 increasing 27 percentage points from January to March. System business demand is now about 80% recovered, with small to medium business revenue approaching a full recovery and corporate revenue now around 50% recovered. Corporate bookings are the highest that they've been since the onset of the pandemic, and we expect that to continue as more companies reopen their offices. We anticipate overall business revenue to be around 90% recovered in the second quarter. And finally, demand for international travel also picked up considerably during the quarter as travel restrictions were lifted in certain parts of the world. Long-haul international revenue was around 50% recovered in the first quarter and around 60% recovered in March. So there's still a lot of revenue upside as business and international travel continue to return. The American team has done an incredible job of setting up the airlines to take advantage of the rebound. We're entering our network to where our customers want to fly, establishing partnerships in more challenging areas and making sure efficiency is top of mind. As a result, we're very optimistic about the continued recovery and expect to be profitable in the second quarter based on current demand trends and fuel price forecast. Turning to reliability. American ended 2021 with our strongest operating performance in the company's history. We're committed to maintaining that momentum in the first quarter, and we did. Despite 2 difficult winter storms in Dallas-Fort, the team delivered a solid operating performance in the first quarter, leading the industry in on-time departures and finishing a close second at on-time arrivals. And they did so while flying a considerably larger schedule than our next largest competitor. More importantly, for the month of March, the mid-peak best-ever combined March completion factor. Our operation in DFW and Charlotte, our 2 largest hubs, met or exceeded our expectations and delivered their best on-time performance and completion factor in years. As a result of our team's hard work, our likelihood to recommend scores continue to track in line with plan and are near the top of our post-merger performance. Running a reliable operation this summer will be critical to the continued recovery, and we have taken numerous steps to ensure we are well prepared to deliver for our customers. Our summer planning began last year as demand returned, and we haven't slowed down. American has 12,000 more team members in place to support the operation this summer than in the summer of 2021. We've already welcomed more than 600 new pilots this year, exceeding our goal. And we will continue to aggressively recruit, hire and train across all departments to develop the best pipeline of talent in the industry. We're ready for the summer, and we have sized the airline for the resources we have available. Again, we sized the airline for the resources that we have available. We've also made targeted investments in people, technology and resources that are yielding promising results for our team members and customers. So before I hand it over to Derek, I want to say that I'm really excited about the future of our industry and the future of American Airlines. There's still a lot of revenue upside going forward, given industry revenues are still off from their historical relationship to GDP, barriers to demand are falling, and business and international trends are promising. There are also certain industry constraints on growth in the near term, notably related to pilot and aircraft supply. And at American, we have completed a $1.3 billion cost reduction program. And our unit cost performance will improve throughout the year as utilization approaches historic levels. No airline is better positioned to operate in this environment than American Airlines because of our fleet, our network and everything our team has accomplished over the past 2 years. And with that, I'll turn it over to Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Robert, and good morning, everyone. Before I review the results, I want to acknowledge Doug for his more than 20 years as an airline CEO. Doug's leadership revolutionized the industry and laid the foundation for American success going forward. I also want to thank the American Airlines team. Their hard work and commitment to our customers and each other is truly extraordinary. This morning, we reported a first quarter GAAP net loss of $1.6 billion, or a loss of $2.52 per share. Excluding net special items, we reported a net loss of $1.5 billion or a loss of $2.32 per share. Revenue in the first quarter outperformed the initial expectations we outlined on our last call, despite flying less capacity than planned due to winter weather events that affected our largest hubs. Our first quarter revenue recovered to 84% compared to the same period in 2019 versus our original guide of 78% to 80% recovery. Demand recovery from the Omicron variant was swift. And while leisure demand remains very strong, as more companies return to their offices, business demand is growing quickly. On the cost side, in addition to the efficiencies we've spoken about previously, we remain focused on keeping our controllable costs down, ensuring we are a more efficient airline as we return to normalized levels of capacity and utilization. In fact, in the face of increased fuel prices, we were profitable for the month of March, excluding net special items, due to our strong revenue performance and cost efficiencies. Our fleet remains the youngest and most fuel-efficient among the U.S. global network carriers. This month, we completed our narrow-body fleet harmonization project. It covers more than 500 aircraft, and will ensure a consistent product and better experience for customers, along with the improved revenue generation and unit cost production associated with the new seating configurations. In the first quarter, we took delivery of 9 Airbus 321neos and reactivated 7 previously stored Boeing 737-800s. We also inducted 8 dual-class regional aircraft and parked three 50-seat Embraer 145s. As previously disclosed, we made several updates to our fleet order book and the timing of future deliveries, allowing us to better meet the demand strength in domestic and short-haul international markets. We previously announced our plans to exercise purchase options on 30 737 MAX-8s. 15 of these options are scheduled for delivery in 2023 and 15 in 2024. Additionally, with the continued uncertainty associated with our 787 deliveries, we are now planning for the delivery of only seven 788 in 2022, all after our summer schedule, with the remaining six 788 aircraft being delivered in 2023. The four 789 aircraft previously planned in late 2023 are now planned to be delivered in 2024. With these changes, our expected total aircraft CapEx is $1.8 billion in 2022 and $2.2 billion in '23. We ended the first quarter with $15.5 billion of total available liquidity, significantly higher than our initial forecast due to ATL build of $2.3 billion in the quarter. We generated operating cash flow of $1.3 billion and free cash flow of more than $350 million in the first quarter. Deleveraging our balance sheet remains a top priority, and we are committed to significant debt reduction in the years ahead. Even in this volatile environment, we remain on track with our target of reducing overall debt levels by $15 billion by the end of 2025. During the quarter, we made $344 million in scheduled debt payments and completed $317 million in open market repurchases of our $750 million unsecured senior notes maturing in June. To date, we have reduced our overall debt levels by $4.1 billion from our peak levels in the second quarter of 2021. We expect to make $1 billion of scheduled debt payments in the second quarter, which includes the remaining outstanding balance of the unsecured senior notes. Lastly, with cost-efficient financing secured for all aircraft deliveries through the third quarter of this year, we are now beginning to evaluate financing options for the fourth quarter and first half of 2023. As we look at the second quarter, we expect to be profitable despite the expectation of continued elevated fuel prices. Pre-tax margins are expected to be between 3% and 5% for the quarter based on the current demand trends and our fuel price forecast. Based on current demand assumptions, we expect total revenue to be 6% to 8% higher versus the second quarter of 2019 on 6% to 8% lower capacity. That would be the first time we have produced total revenue greater than 2019 since the start of the pandemic. In fact, if we hit the midpoint of this revenue guide, the results would be the highest quarterly revenue in the company's history. On this revenue strength, we expect total revenue per available seat mile to be 14% to 16% higher in the second quarter versus the same period of 2019. We expect our second quarter CASM, excluding fuel and net special items, to be up between 8% and 10%. Our current forecast for the second quarter, which we pegged on Tuesday, assumes fuel between $3.59 and $3.64 per gallon, an increase of more than 60% versus the price of fuel in the second quarter of 2019. In the near term, the demand environment is strong, but margins are lower than they otherwise would have been given the recent run-up in fuel. Longer term, this industry has proven that it has the ability to recapture increases in the cost of fuel and be profitable at elevated fuel prices. We believe this time is no different. As for full year 2022 capacity, we now expect to be recovered to 92% to 94% of 2019 levels. The reduction in full year capacity from our prior guide is largely due to 788 delivery delays that I touched on earlier. This capacity guidance is, of course, subject to future demand environment and fuel prices. Consequently, with this lower level of capacity, we now expect our full year CASM, excluding fuel and net special items, to be up between 8% and 10% versus 2019. In conclusion, with the actions we have taken and the commitment of our team, we remain very well positioned. We remain focused on running a reliable operation and returning to profitability, which we expect to happen in the second quarter. With that, we'll open up the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie Baker:
I guess you're starting in the order of sort of the biggest second quarter miss. So, great. So listen, we're all…
Robert Isom :
Not quite, but close, Jamie. Not quite but close.
Jamie Baker:
All right. So we're familiar with that relationship between airline revenue and GDP. You brought it up. Doug had a good slide on -- in his deck last month. Have you looked at the relationship between leisure demand and GDP? And what that relationship might be telling us? I know we could try to back into this with some of the Form 41 data, but I don't really trust it. There's a reporting lag. It just doesn't tell me anything.
Robert Isom:
Hey, Jamie, thanks. I'm going to let Vasu answer that. But hey, don't feel bad. This is a long game. We know you're going to get it right over the long term. So…
Jamie Baker :
Thanks for the endorsement.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Jamie, thanks for the question. And it's a very good one, one that we've actually spent a lot of time thinking about. And what I'll say is, you're right. In aggregate, like historical relationship between airline demand and GDP, let's call it industry demand, at something around just under 1% of GDP, does largely seem to hold. And we're seeing that as things start to recover. We spent a lot of time on this question about, what is the actual trip purpose and how does that change? And the reality is it's changing in a meaningful enough way where we no longer think it's pretty at the start of a trend. For example, historically, only about 20% to 25% of the trips in the airline were something that we call blended, where somebody was traveling for both business and leisure. Now for about 5 to 6 months, about 50% to 55% of the trips in the airline are blended. And as we look forward into the coming months, that continues to be the case. And that's playing out in a lot of different ways for us, which are both opportunities and a little bit unprecedented, right? We are seeing different sales days becoming big sales days. Different travel days becoming big travel days. So the nature of what we call leisure demand and business demand is changing. And the first thing is better understanding exactly how that is. But so far, it's been promising. Those blended trips that we have in the system are coming in at yields that are 75% to 85% of what were true business-only trips, but they're coming through lower comp sales channels and off of negotiated discount. So the net yields of them are very often the best things in the system. So this is an evolving thing and one that we'll keep coming back to you. But the relationship is indeed changing, as you say, even though in aggregate, a lot of the trends won't.
Jamie Baker :
And just out of curiosity, how do you define or how do you tell that a trip is a blended trip? Is it somebody booking with a corporate discount and then bringing a family member on an adjacent PNR? Like how do you know that?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. So over the years of viewing this thing, we actually come out in 2 ways. One, we have a lot of models that go and actually predict whether the behavior is business or leisure. And we survey customers to go and calibrate the model. So over time, we are really good. So whatever we -- you hear us talk about business, we are talking about, for example, somebody who travels, one person on the itinerary, no checked bags, things like that, right? If it's a profile, and we calibrate against surveys of what the customer actually tells us. And so one of the things that we found is that increasingly, those surveys are starting to change because people are saying they're flying both for business and leisure or it's one person in the itinerary, but they're leaving on Thursday, coming back on a Monday and going to Pensacola. So a lot of things are starting to change, and that's actually a pretty promising thing.
Jamie Baker :
Yes. Fascinating. And then second, and maybe for Robert, as we think about the steps that you're taking to protect the operation, heading into the summer peak, is the zero still the metric that American tends to focus on? I think it was in the past. The sense I got was that it wasn't hugely popular with the entirety of the airport staff. Just wondering if with your background, Robert, and having ascended to the top seat, is that still the metric that you have prioritized, let's say?
Robert Isom :
Jamie, I'm going to start with this, which is the outcome in on-time arrival we know is the biggest driver of customer satisfaction. As I've said before, it makes the food taste better. It seems more comfortable. Service more friendly, all that. And the best way to ensure an on-time arrival is to make sure you depart on time. So there's no stepping away from it. But I'll tell you, we have evolved over time. And we really do want to take into account making sure that the things that we do to get an aircraft out on time don't compromise other aspects of the operation. So couldn't congestion on the ramp. Or if we do have inclement weather, at the end of the day, if we have flights that you may be able to get out on time, but you ought to hold for connecting passengers, we do so. And so we could go into a lot more detail on that. But the answer to it all is, for the bulk of the airline, get it started right. No aircraft out of service in the morning, on-time departure, a fast turn and stay that way throughout the day.
Operator:
Our next question comes from David Vernon with Bernstein.
David Vernon :
We are into the other end of the spectrum, I guess. Could you talk a little bit about what you have in the forecast for business travel recovery as we think about the summer months? What are you seeing in the booking trends? I'm just trying to get a sense for kind of what the mix is within the guidance that you're giving us.
Vasu Raja:
David, this is Vasu. I can help with that. For Robert's comments at the beginning, as we closed the quarter, system business revenues were about 80% recovered versus 2019. As we look at Q2, we anticipate that number will be about 90% recovered versus 2019. We have a level of confidence in it because, indeed, we're seeing many of those bookings start to come in from my comments that Jamie just now. But also, the gap between 90 and 100 is really largely due to long-haul international demand and certain pockets of domestic demand. But we are continuing to see demand come in.
David Vernon :
Okay. And then maybe just as a quick follow-up. I remember having a conversation with Doug and Derek in LA a couple of years ago now, around denied boarding sort of involuntary denials, that kind of stuff. And you guys have been working on some technology to help you guys reaccommodate customers work on this issue of not having enough seats on the plane over selling that kind of stuff. Is there any early indication during this period of demand here that those efforts are paying off and the denied boardings are coming in a little bit in line with those expectations you set out a couple of years ago?
Robert Isom :
David, we're going to start with Maya Leibman talking about some of the things we've done and if there's some add-on to that, Vasu will do it.
Maya Leibman :
Hey, David, this is Maya. Yes. Over the last several years, we've really improved our technology around essentially pre-removing customers. So either before they get to the airport several days before they fly if we know that flight is at the risk of overselling providing them an opportunity to bid or to either take compensation or even just move to a different place that's probably a little bit better than the flight that they were previously scheduled on. Or if it happens that there's a last-minute schedule change, a last-minute equipment change, so we have to deal with it at the airport, which isn't our goal. We're really trying to deal with it before they get to the airport. We have some pretty neat auction capabilities that allow the customer better opportunities to move around to other flights. And so all of those things together have really helped improve our denied boarding statistics.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. I'll only add to that. Throughout the pandemic, one of the hardest things to do, to predict has been the show rate of the airline. Understandably as the pandemic wear on, we would have periods of time where everybody showed for a flight in periods of time where the show rate could be as low as 70% of what was booked. What we're encouraged by, in large part because of a lot of the technologies that we've got not just in managing overbooking, but it's typically just forecasting show rate, we are getting to a place where we are a lot better at going and predicting what the variability is. And with the technologies that we've got proactively moving customers off so that we don't have the same level of denied boarding expense that we had in times past. And indeed, we're able to generate more revenue through the overbooking flights.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Savanthi Syth :
I was wondering, maybe, Vasu, could you provide a little bit of color on what you're seeing across the -- on the long-haul side across the different entities?
Vasu Raja:
Sure, Savi. Yes, thanks for the question. Look, we're really encouraged with how long-haul demand has come back, but it is indeed very different across the 3 long-haul entities of long-haul South America, Transatlantic and Transpacific. First, we are encouraged because indeed we've seen bookings from maybe post-Omicron low point in January, what we're seeing in the last 4 to 6 weeks, it's improved by several factors. In South America, that's a factor of 2x to 3x. In Transatlantic, it's something materially larger than that. And in Transpacific, it's grown quite a lot, too, but still, the bookings are pretty small and insignificant in the totality of all of our bookings. But what we're really encouraged by is the manner in which demand is returning first in long-haul South America, where we just -- where we have so much capacity. Increasingly, we're seeing not just more customers simply sign on for flights, but we're filling premium cabins at a better and better rate. The same is true in Transatlantic, where so much of the airline that we brought back there is centered around our partner hubs, in Heathrow and Madrid. And we're encouraged because those are -- to make those slight go, they are very premium demand consumptive and we are seeing a lot of premium demand, even though we aren't seeing large corporate travel quite come back into international the way we've seen before. And as at Transpacific, it's understandably challenged because as long as there are entry restrictions, demand remains pretty stubborn to come back. But -- like I said, we're encouraged that once those restrictions are lifted, the demand improves pretty meaningfully.
Savanthi Syth:
That's super helpful. And if I might ask, Derek, just a quick question on the fuel. Is your kind of fuel contracts based on kind of the forward curve than crack spreads? I think there's -- or like spot prices, I mean? I think there's a little bit of confusion on what we're seeing on spot, and this is not unique to American, but what's being reflected in fuel guidance is.
Derek Kerr :
Yes. No, that's exactly -- we just pegged it 2 days ago. So at -- it was 107. And then we used the crack spread and where that was, and the crack spread had increased a little bit. So the difference may be crack spread and then the dates that everybody takes the fuel pay, but we're straight off of the fuel curve and then it's dependent on where are you buying your fuel. Are you buying your fuel more in the Gulf Coast, L.A., New York? So there could be differences between each airline just where the brunt of the fuel comes from.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Helane Becker with Cowen.
Helane Becker :
Just two questions. One is on minimum liquidity. Derek, have you thought about where you want that to go, other than get -- I think you said, what, pay down $15 billion of debt by 2026? And then the other question is, I think, related to the pilot training pipeline. You talk about a shortage of crew members and limits to capacity growth, so how are you thinking about catching up?
Derek Kerr :
Yes. I can do both, and Robert can add to some of that. So as far as minimum liquidity, we're still in the same place as we were a couple of calls ago. We're at about $15.5 billion right now. We are seeing this recovery. We'd like to see it actually be in the actuals. So I think this is a forward guide, which we think is where we're going to get and be profitable for the quarter. If we maintain this level, what we have said is we would take a step down to somewhere in the $10 billion to $12 billion range. And hopefully, that happens sometime this year, which can accelerate the debt pay down. And any further than that, we just haven't had the discussions through the Board and through the committees. We ran the company at $7 billion of not minimum liquidity, which I defined -- that was kind of our targeted cash level. Minimum liquidity is actually much lower than that. But our targeted cash level was at $7 billion. And so right now, we're holding out of the cash. And when we see the recovery, and it's holding up and the cash is holding up, we will use that cash to pay down debt. And I think we'll take it down to some in there, we're in the $10 billion to $12 billion range as we look forward. On the pilot training pipeline, as Robert said, we've hired 600 pilots at the mainline. So it's -- it really is -- we have the pilots. I think the industry is -- it's about trying to hire 2,000 pilots this year versus the most we've ever hired in the past is 1,000. So we have the simulators coming in. We have the trainers coming in. So what it is, is trying to get everybody through the pipeline. And I think we will be fully utilized in how all of our aircraft flying by the end of the year. The other side of it is the regional carriers, which we're working on, is that hiring is going well also. So we're hiring there. Just the attrition is much greater than the hiring at this point in time. We're getting people through the pipeline. That has slowed, which is good. So as all the mainline carriers have hired from the regional carriers, we all have a backlog to get through training. So the regional attrition has slowed, which will be good for regional capacity as we go forward. But we believe that by the end of the year or through the summer, we'll be back up and having all the airline aircraft flying, which will be great for us from a utilization perspective. It will be great for us from a cost perspective to drive down the unit cost as we bring back all of those aircraft and get the pilot pipeline moving through.
Robert Isom :
Well said that. And the only thing other -- Helane, the only other point that I would add is that, look, over time, it's supply and demand. And I'm confident that the quality of life and the compensation for pilots is something that's going to attract a lot of people to the industry. It may take some time to work through, but it will happen.
Helane Becker :
Right. Could you, in the short term, bring back pilots who might have retired at, say, 58 or 60, and just have them work for a couple of years to bridge the gap? Or once they retire, that's that?
Robert Isom :
I'm going to ask David Seymour, our Chief Operating Officer, to weigh in on that.
David Seymour:
Yes. I think the challenge with that is many of them have been retired long enough that they would have to go through a requalification, which would take one of those slots. So given that, as Derek talked about, we have the supply coming in, and the school house is really running at full speed here. And we're hitting the objectives that we set forward to reach the goals that Derek talked about for the remainder of the year. So as much -- I think that would be a great idea, and we just take away a slot for a new hire that's coming in.
Robert Isom :
And look, overall as well, we have a great relationship with the APA and making sure that we're getting as many pilots onboard and creating as many captain positions as we possibly can. And anything that would alter something like retirement status would have to be something that they champion.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Mike Linenberg :
Just two here. I guess my first to Vasu. Vasu, historically, I guess, sort of the rule of thumb is that the run-up in energy prices usually sort of finds its way into the fare structure with like a lag of 3 to 6 months. It does feel like that it's getting recaptured far more quickly. And I just wonder if it's any sort of structural changes and/or just by approaching this fuel price cycle with a bit less capacity, which may give you some leverage in your ability to quickly offset that? Just your thoughts around that?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, Mike, it's an excellent question. And it looks like Jamie is one that we've actually spent a lot of time understandably thinking about. Look, it's really hard to tease out the different effects because you're right, there's high fuel prices. There's various limits on capacity as airlines try to size their airlines for the staffing that they can produce. And of course, demand, which just continues to accelerate at a pretty unprecedented rate. So look, we look at are actually the fares that we, American Airlines are out selling. And we're encouraged that indeed, month-to-month, we are seeing a greater increase in fares than certainly what we saw in 2019. But very importantly, one of the things that we've been looking at is how fare is at large -- or how is the rate of increase actually changing in 2019 to 2022 versus the last time the industry went through so many cataclysmic crisis, which were big fuel, The Great Recession, changes in the industry through consolidation? And indeed, the rate -- the pace of change that we're seeing is growing much greater than what we saw before. Short way to say it is, we are seeing a lot of strength in the fare environment with customers who frankly value quality of product that we have and are willing to pay us to fly. So we're encouraged by that. We see those trends going forward into the summer. And of course, that's inherent in the revenue guide you see before you.
Mike Linenberg :
Great. And then just my second, with respect to the NEA and I guess, the Justice's concern about potential consumer harm, have you put out any numbers about you have done from a consumer benefit perspective since it's now been up and running, I think, for some time? Or is that something that we just won't find out about until September?
Vasu Raja:
I can start and others can add. Well, look, we can't talk about the consumer benefits of the NEA enough. And indeed you can already see it and just what's published out there. In the first quarter, we brought the Northeast back faster than any of our competition. And arguably through bringing it back, has encouraged competition where they frankly wasn't any before. We're doing things like we have full flat beds on all of our Transcon markets, which is a thing that American Airlines is -- has long dreamed of now through this partnership with JetBlue we're able to make happen. We brought JetBlue into LaGuardia, I think, which they long to make happen, putting a new level of price competition on the incumbent carrier there. And so we're encouraged by the structural things that's there, but what we're really encouraged by is the way consumers are responding to it. So right now, for the first time and as long as we've recorded it, advantage enrollments, our loyalty program enrollments are growing in New York and Boston at greater rates than anything in the system as an absolute size, which is greater than anything at the system. New York is on a percentage of 2019, we're acquiring more credit card customers there than we did in 2019 and at a greater rate than any other parts of our system. So all of which is to say that the consumer is clearly responding to it and we see those benefits, and we keep rolling things out. We -- there's a lot that we've kind of worked through as we kind of try to staff up a connecting operation at JFK, we've endeavored to go slow in order to make it happen. I hope for a minute say that we are all the way to achieving what we want there to be, but we are really encouraged by what it's doing for consumers, the level of competition that it's bringing. And indeed, I mean, we can't talk about it enough, and maybe we need to talk about it more.
Robert Isom :
Vasu, I'll just add, and I know our Chief Legal Officer, Priya Aiyar, will agree with me. Look, we welcome scrutiny. We know that this is producing the benefits we said it would. And it's doing exactly what we had hoped. And we're confident we're going to prevail no matter what we face going forward. [Pretty good with that?]
Vasu Raja:
Absolutely.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Dan McKenzie with Seaport Global.
Dan McKenzie :
A couple of questions here. First, a clarification to guide, maybe for Vasu. What level of restoration in international flying does the revenue guide embeds? So does it include the relaxation of the 24-hour testing requirement in May sometime? And what conversations is the government having with you about the travel restrictions internationally?
Robert Isom :
So Vasu, you can handle that first part. And let's have Nate cover -- pull data on testing.
Vasu Raja:
Yes, Dan, thanks for the question. And look, we -- international at large, we broadly anticipated to be 100% recovered. And indeed, it's not far from that right now. But to the question earlier from Savi, international is in a lot of different states of play right now. Never forget, for us, in the second quarter, roughly 90% of our airline is flying in the Western Hemisphere and Heathrow. So a lot of our recovery is due to the fact that our short-haul international network is recovering at rates that are probably greater than what we see in domestic. And those markets such as London and long-haul South America, are recovering pretty quickly, too. I mean that's where we have all of our capacity.
Robert Isom :
As just one note there. International revenue, not 100% recovered. Go ahead -- from a long-haul perspective.
Vasu Raja:
Correct Yes, correct. So yes, I would say that the long-haul revenue isn't all the way there, but total international is, and that's...
Robert Isom:
Exactly.
Nate Gatten:
Yes. And this is Nate. I would just say on the regulatory side, obviously, the testing is something that we continue to engage on with our industry partners. We believe that the U.S. can safely follow countries that are progressing through the pandemic, including Canada, the UK and Ireland, which have, we think, safely evolved the scope of their entry requirements and moved away from predeparture testing. We've learned by this point in the pandemic, however, not to speculate on what may or may not happen. So we don't have a specific timeframe in mind. It's just something we continue to work on. Obviously, the decision is going to be up to the Federal authorities and public health experts.
Robert Isom:
Okay. And for everybody, that's Nate Gatten, our Head of Corporate and Government Affairs. So thanks, Nate.
Dan McKenzie :
Yes. Thank Second question here. Looking at Slide 5, the simple math is it looks like there's roughly $7 billion of revenue that was missing on an annualized basis relative to the first quarter. But I believe the headcount is already in place. So we're left with variable cost, I think so. But if you could flesh this out, the fixed versus variable costs as you add back some of this higher-margin international flying?
Derek Kerr:
Dan, this is Derek. As we have talked about, we have the airline and costs in place to run a much greater airline. So as we go and as Robert said in his comments, our CASM will get better and better throughout the year as we add back to flying. An example is our salaries, I think, stay pretty flat throughout the year, even though we're growing ASMs throughout the year. So most everything is in place to fly. The example is the 787s. We thought we had the 787s coming in beginning of this year. So we have the pilots. We have the crews. We have everything ready to go. We're not going to train them back down to 7-3s or other aircraft. We're going to leave them there for when they come. So our expectation as we move forward and we bring back the aircraft and utilize our fleet and get us back to 100% of 2019, it comes at a significant reduction in the CASM calculation as we go forward.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Congrats, Robert, on the formal handoff. I wanted to follow-up to Mike's question. Just with respect to JetBlue's bid for Spirit, as it relates to the NEA, Do you see any relationship between the 2 initiatives? And what is American's perspective on the proposed acquisition?
Robert Isom :
Steve, do you want to comment here?
Steve Johnson:
Sure. Thanks for the question. This is Steve Johnson. First, I think it's important to recognize that JetBlue's acquisition of Spirit is not a foregone conclusion. Those -- JetBlue and Spirit is near, as we can tell, are discussing that now. And we'll ultimately find out which direction that's going to go. But I would say that Joanna and Robin were very quick to call Robert as soon as the story leaked. And they were steadfast in their view that NEA was extraordinarily important to the priority to JetBlue and that they intended to do everything that they could to maintain it. And that part of their bid for Spirit contemplated keeping and even strengthening the NEA.
Duane Pfennigwerth :
Thanks for that perspective. With respect to the RASM guidance, Vasu, can you just contrast for us maybe how leisure fares are tracking versus 2019 versus closing business fares? And I understand regions, et cetera, make that more complicated. But maybe if we just look at it on a cut per say, domestic, is the closing 0 to 3 getting better yet relative to '19?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Thanks for the question. And indeed, one that we look at very closely, because it is kind of interesting. We look at it both and what is out there selling, but importantly, what is netted back to us after we deduct the cost of sale from it. And so we are seeing, first and foremost, that -- we look at it really outside 14 versus inside 14. Outside of 14, indeed, there is a significant level of fare strength across any competitive O&D grouping there might be. Inside of 14, we see the same level of fare strength. But as we look at it right now, leisure trips or blended business leisure trips are coming in at yield levels that are anywhere from 75% to 80% in aggregate of what inside 14 corporate negotiated trips are coming in at. And that's a really meaningful number because that means on a net basis, sometimes these fares which are coming to us oftentimes through our direct channels, through some pretty unprecedented sources on a net basis are actually really, really valuable to us and really valuable carbon departure. The fares are high. What we are encouraged by is as we have rolled through March, there's simply more demand inside of 14 and more business and business and leisure demand. So yes, we see a lot of strength in the fare environment, a lot more strength outside of 14, but progressively greater strength and greater demand inside of 14.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
I guess maybe just to put a finer point on it. Do you think 0 to 3 is still an opportunity? And thank you for taking the question.
Vasu Raja:
Yes, it is but not in quite the same way that it was before.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs.
Catherine O'Brien :
So maybe just one on the 787. When we think about your CapEx over the next couple of years, as the 787 rules into future years, should we just be thinking about rolling forward that associated CapEx? Are we reaching a point where we should be thinking about maybe some late penalties potentially lowering your overall CapEx profile as we look across the next couple of years on an aggregated basis? I think you might have mentioned that Boeing was already paying penalties to prior years. Just trying to get a sense to the read-through to American free cash flow in future years.
Derek Kerr :
Yes. Catherine, I would -- just from a CapEx perspective, I would just roll it without a doubt. Any kind of settlement that we have will be separate. The Boeing management team have assured us that they will cover us for the damages on the 787s -- the deliveries with the 787s. How that comes? I don't know, because we haven't talked about it. There's no reason to discuss damages on the 787s until they deliver and we know when those are going to be, so that can be calculated. So in the models today, I would move the CapEx and just shove out the CapEx. But I would -- there is upside to the cash flow or something for a settlement with the Boeing team. As they've said, they will cover the damages that we are incurring for those aircraft to be delayed and deferred.
Catherine O'Brien :
Okay. Got it. And then maybe one for Vasu, just coming a little bigger picture here. Can you just update us on the hub strategy you're working through pre-pandemic? You growth opportunities at DFW, Charlotte, D.C., as you add back capacity, are you adding proportionately more flying into those hubs than you had in 2019? Or do you need to first restore the pre-pandemic network overall and then you look to those growth opportunities? Just trying to get a sense of -- I know those are the most profitable hubs. So are we already starting to blend in that higher proportion of more profitable flying? Or is that on the comp?
Vasu Raja:
It's a great question. Yes, we are absolutely blending it in now. As we said through the pandemic, we had no intention of wasting the crisis, and we didn't. We massively simplified the fleet reduce, frankly, a number of long-haul airplanes that were amongst defining some of our most unprofitable route. Launched new partnerships where we can create more value for the customer, offer more network in places like the West Coast and New York where we're weaker. But very importantly, we've put a lot more capacity into our hubs in 2 ways. One, we've concentrated more flying there, but we've updated the airline as well. We're 8% more seats per departure than as we go forward than what we were at the same time last year. But for us, like the changes are indeed quite meaningful. Right now, if you go look and published schedules, about 65%, 70% of the airlines flying really what we call our Sunbelt hubs and short-haul Caribbean kind of markets, where the airline has a unique level of strength. And just -- to put that in perspective, I was reading through everyone's print last night, that in Q1, our 4 Sunbelt hubs, DFW, Charlotte, Miami, Phoenix, were somewhere between 70% to 80% of our competitors' full network, but are producing unit revenues between 5% to 10% greater than those networks. So very much that is a major thing, a big part, as we talked about here, of returning to profitability. And frankly, running a better operation is focusing hard in those markets where we create really unique and disproportionate value and really getting all of our assets working there.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Conor Cunningham with MKM Partners.
Conor Cunningham:
I know United and Delta have talked to generating a profit for -- in 2022, just given where demand is. I realized you guys have stopped short of saying that today, but the question that we're getting is just around the sustainability of like RASM production. So do you expect to generate a profit for the remaining 3 quarters of this year, assuming like no massive change in oil or anything like that?
Robert Isom:
Conor, I'll start. Derek can add into this. Look, we're really pleased to be here talking about record revenues and producing a profit in the second quarter. But those are forecast. You know what our job here is to make those forecasts a reality. So we're going to get to that business. And fourth, to achieve profitability for the year, I get I guarantee it, we need to be profitable in the second quarter. And we're going to get started on that, and we'll update you as time goes on. Derek, anything else you want to add?
Derek Kerr:
Agree.
Conor Cunningham :
Okay. Okay. And I know you said you've sized the airlines and the resources you have, but there has been some struggles with operations, demand surge last year. Do you assume any incentive pay above and beyond what you've historically contemplated in your 2022 CASM outlook? And have you viewed incentive pay any differently than you have in the past, just given some of the staffing issues the industry has faced, in general?
Robert Isom :
Conor, thanks for that. But I'll start with this is that just like the rest of the world, we're all getting back up to speed. Firstly, for American, we did what the government asked us to when they provide us with the payroll support program. We ran the airline, and we ran it to serve people that had to get to business and leisure activities and you name it. As we go forward, the jump that we have to take -- to get to the kind of capacity that Derek has mentioned in our forecast, it's not that sizable of a jump. We're way ahead of it. We've certainly learned from issues. We're really focused on other parts of what I consider the airline supply chain, and that's our partners. But we're very well compared. We have 12,000 more team members on all ready to fly the spring and summer schedule, I feel really great about it and very, very confident that we're going to fly a reliable airline as we did, and we proved over the year-end holidays, better than a lot of our competition and as we have in the first 3 months of this year, too.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Andrew Didora with Bank of America.
Andrew Didora:
First of all, for Derek, just to confirm the updated CASM outlook that does not include any new labor deals. And then just kind of a follow-up to that, given the labor market and your operational plans, where do you think kind of CASM eventually shakes out relative to 2019 once all is set and done?
Derek Kerr :
Yes. One is, yes, the -- our CASM guidance is not having any new labor deals in it. We're in negotiations with a lot of our unions at this point in time, but we don't -- but we'll put those in a CASM guide when they occur and when we know where those are, but that's not in the CASM guide for the rest of the year. Getting back to 2019 levels depends on going back and when do we grow back fully from a capacity perspective. And also, as you alluded to, when do those labor deals go into effect? In 2019, we did the mechanic deal and we completed the mechanic deal during 2019. So that year-over-year is now into our numbers. So I think as we grow the airline back, getting ourselves back to 2019 CASM levels will take us to get our utilization back to where it was before and get all the aircraft back flying to get closer to that 2019 level.
Andrew Didora:
Got it. And then Vasu, I fully appreciate the historical relationship with GDP in response to one of the earlier questions. I guess, we get a lot of investor questions on inflation and the health of the consumer. Do you have any historical perspective on consumer demand at these levels of inflation? And at what point to anticipate some sort of consumer slowing, if at all, in this type of environment?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, it's an excellent question. And -- there's a lot that we're seeing today, which is kind of breaking from a lot of historical trends, much like the question earlier about how fuel prices are bleeding in the fare. It's -- right now, it's really difficult to tease out what is causing what. But yes, as an industry, there hasn't been a great history of how inflation has turned changes in demand. But we're so far encouraged by what we see right now in 2 ways. First, demand continues to grow and grow at a meaningful pace. How long-lasting it is remains to be seen. But if we learn anything in the last 20 to 24 months, we can adjust just about anything and do it pretty quickly. And the other thing which is really encouraging is, frankly, spending on our co-branded credit cards. That is one where the -- throughout the pandemic, even though airline revenues fell, our co-branded revenues never felt nearly to the same degree. And indeed, we're encouraged right now because there our acquisitions are higher than before, and our spend on the card is keeping pace with inflation. Indeed, on our card with Barclays, our spend is growing at a greater rate than inflation. So we are encouraged by that. There's clearly a level of demand for our product and future anticipation of travel, which is very promising. And we'll see how it plays out.
Operator:
And that's all the time we have for analysts. We open the queue for your media. [Operator Instructions]. And our first question comes from Alison Sider with Wall Street Journal.
Alison Sider:
I'm just curious what you're seeing -- any response to COVID starting to rise again? Are you seeing that reflected at all in consumer demand? Or in sort of your staffing, are you seeing higher rates of absences? And is that something you're kind of planning around?
Robert Isom :
Hey, Al. It's Robert. The answer to both is no.
Alison Sider :
Okay. And I just had a couple on the masks. I guess, in a couple of days since that policy has changed. Have you seen any evidence of any kind of shift in bookings, increased bookings or decreased? Is there any evidence yet that, that there will be any change to demand as a result of the mask mandates being lifted?
Vasu Raja:
Hey, Al, this is Vasu. It's still very early to tell and really difficult to draw very much of a conclusion. But so far, there's nothing to indicate that it's materially up or materially down.
Alison Sider :
Okay. So not like when other international travel restrictions get lifted and there's an immediate response?
Vasu Raja:
Just certainly not on that order of magnitude at all.
Operator:
Our next question comes from David Koenig with Associated Press.
David Koenig :
Robert and Derek both addressed this on the pilot. You gave pilot figures for pilot hires. I was looking for a net number. Is 600 enough to offset the age 65 retirements and other attrition? What's the net number? And bottom line, are you going to have enough pilots to fly this summer?
Robert Isom :
Let me start, and David Seymour can join in. The answer is yes. As I've said repeatedly, we're sizing the airline for the resources that we have. From a pilot perspective, all of this hiring is meant to match up to a schedule, but also a schedule that we are making sure that we've built and safety factors. So we have tremendous confidence that we can fly. In addition to that, we're scheduling the airline, employing tools that are different than we had before. And my confidence only grows, as I -- as we make our way in the year. David, do you have anything else to add?
David Seymour:
Robert, let me just add to that. I mean, I think the numbers Derek talked about the 600, that was this year alone. So last year, we had a target of hiring 350, we hired over 500. So the 600 is just for this year, and that's well ahead of pace where we set our expectations to. In the pilot training right now, we're actually getting our goals and our throughput that we expect and don't foresee any problems going forward of making those numbers so we can hit the goal to fly all of our aircraft by the end of this year.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein :
I had a couple of quick questions. One, Robert, you had said this morning, I think, that you're not doing as much regional flying as you would like to be. And I wanted to see if you could comment in terms of have you got planes parked? Have you suspended any routes? And is that all related to the shortage of pilots on the regional level?
Robert Isom :
Yes. So thanks, Mary. As Derek noted, we're not find the full regional schedule we'd like to. We're going to get those aircraft back up over time. But it's related to how they're being hired from the regional airlines, so an increased level of attrition and the time it takes to actually backfill those pilots. So while the regional carriers are able to source pilots at this time, we just can't get them up to speed and in the position fast enough. Over the long term, we do need to work on regional pilot supply. And we're out in front of that with our cadet program and trying to incentive people to come into the business. And I know -- I'm confident that, over the long term, the prospects of quality of life and compensation are something that are going to attract people to the business. So it may take some time to work out. But as Derek said, over the course of the next year or so, we anticipate being able to get not only mainline back up to full utilization by the end of the year, the regionals sometime thereafter.
Mary Schlangenstein :
How much down is you're flying, your regional flying?
Derek Kerr :
Departures in the second quarter are probably down about 20% versus 2019, where the airline mainline is down about 5%. So maybe 15% different than lower than what the mainline is.
Robert Isom :
And Mary, I want to note on that. We're not just -- look, while we have aircraft that we're not flying there's many companies like -- we're not chasing that. We're simply sizing in the airlines in the products we have. And so our confidence in this summer is rooted in. We've already taken a look. We've already made sure that we have appropriate confidence levels in what we can do. So no need for any type of concern over the summer.
Mary Schlangenstein :
Okay. And then the second question I had, if we could go back to the NEA for a minute. If the government tells JetBlue, it can acquire Spirit, but it wants big changes in the NEA, what's the prospect for American at that time? Is that something that you could have to walk away from with JetBlue?
Steve Johnson:
Mary, thanks, that's a speculation on speculation on speculation on speculation. Vasu I think really articulated in his comments about how pro-consumer and pro-competitive the NEA is I mean, we could go on and on about that. And if you assume that that JetBlue actually figures out a way to acquire Spirit, and we get to that point, JetBlue-Spirit combination doesn't change impact to consumers of the NEA. It's not going to change one bit the value that we create for consumers in New York and Boston. So I think it's -- there's a lot of water to go into the bridge, obviously, with respect to Frontier and Spirit and JetBlue. But I think there's -- that kind of speculation is probably premature. And we feel really, I think, excited about the prospects of winning our lawsuit with the DOJ. And we're looking forward to continue with the NEA, just in perpetuity.
Mary Schlangenstein :
Steve, are there any discussions underway on settling with the DOJ over the NEA? Or do you expect that that's going to go to trial in September?
Steve Johnson:
I expect it'll go to trial in September.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Dawn Gilbertson with USA TODAY.
Dawn Gilbertson :
Two questions on masks. Do you foresee -- given the DOJ appeal, do you foresee any scenario in which the mask mandate on plan is reinstated as swiftly as it was removed? And the second thing is how is American handling traveler request for refund, given the -- how quickly the mask mandate was lifted? Are you -- if someone doesn't want to fly they're immunocompromised, are you just giving refunds? What's your policy?
Robert Isom :
Nate, go ahead. Take the first.
Nate Gatten :
Yes. I can take the first part of that question. This is Nate. Obviously, we're aware that the DOJ is appealing the Florida ruling, although they have not asked for a stay of the district court judge. Beyond that, as I mentioned earlier, we've learned throughout the pandemic not to speculate on what the government may or may not do. I would emphasize though that in keeping with our commitment to create a welcoming environment for everyone who travels with us, customers and team members may, of course, choose to continue to wear masks at their own discretion. And we expect that many will continue to do so. But especially considering the steps that we've taken for the last couple of years regarding cleanliness and airflow, we don't feel that reinstating of the mandate is necessary at this time.
Robert Isom :
Yes. And Dawn, thanks for the question overall. And just right off, we haven't had much interaction with customers that have said they want to do anything different. But like we do in all these events, we're taking a look at our policies. And we are certainly -- with customers open and asking them to get in touch with our reservations office, and we'll make sure that we accommodate them in an appropriate fashion.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Leslie Josephs with CNBC.
Leslie Josephs :
I was wondering how you guys are thinking about IROPS during the summer? And if you have enough capacity and clear capacity to handle rebookings? And how you address that? And just kind of how the overall labor landscape looks, not just pilots, but customer service grounds and other employees?
David Seymour:
Yes. I appreciate the question. Certainly, one that we spend a lot of time thinking through and working on. What I'd tell you, we've actually implemented a number of tools knowing that loans are going to be high as we go into the summer, and welcome back a lot more customers. And those tools we've actually been utilizing and have shown good promise here in terms of ensuring that we're not canceling and working our airline through a delay as this weather does develop, and we work our way through it. And that's really the key for us is making sure that we're canceling the few flights as possible to allow the traffic to continue to move through. But again, we're very focused on that. We know that the weather is going to be out there. We're certainly not taking anything for granted.
Robert Isom :
David, also I'll just add. Look, we have 12,000 new team members. And so that's a lot more than the 600 pilots that we have and actually, that 12,000 is net new. We hired, I think, almost 20,000 people. But those people -- team members are working in reservations. They're at our airports. They're throughout the system. So we've beefed up our capacity to be able to handle. And then Maya, do you want to say about anything more about other technology that we're using?
Maya Leibman:
Yes. I think David hit on it. The goal is to prevent the cancellations in the first place so that we don't have to reaccommodate people given the high loads that we expect this summer. And we've got some pretty cool new technology that really focuses on how we manage to do that. In addition, really helping with improving our technology around crew recovery and some optimization technology that will really help reduce our taxing times, our turn times at airports and all of those things together are going to be in place for this summer in order to ensure that we have a better approach to irregular operations.
Leslie Josephs :
Okay. And then my second question is really quick. Does it still make sense for American Airlines to have an award chart just given where demand is and kind of how hard it is to find seats with awards these days, with miles these days?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, thanks for the question. Actually, what's been really interesting to us, even though we are seeing an improving fare environment is actually our redemptions are up both in March and as we go forward. As far as the award chart goes, that is certainly something which our top-tier loyalty customers very much value and they see a lot of opportunities for it to go and secure traffic, which many of them have been long anticipated through the pandemic. So as it stands, we're still really encouraged by having an award chart. And encouraged that, frankly, even though we are in a rising environment, we're creating the right level of availability for redemption.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Niraj Chokshi with New York Times.
Niraj Chokshi :
So I think most of my questions were answered already. I guess one question I had on masks was do you anticipate it affecting hiring at all, maybe potential people you might hire might be nervous about sort of the shift, the drop of the requirement?
Robert Isom :
Hey, Niraj. The answer is no. And just so everybody is aware, if our customers and team members want to wear masks, we encourage them. We welcome that, and we see that as a practice that's going to go continue forward.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Kathryn Krupnik with CBS News.
Kathryn Krupnik :
I hope this is the last time that we have to talk about unreally passengers. But do you have a count on how many of that American has banned? And what are you going to do with those who are banned? Are you going to do what your competitors are doing and doing case-by-case basis?
Nate Gatten:
Yes. This is Nate. We don't give account for how many passengers we banned specifically for mask noncompliance. In most cases, the passengers who were added to our internal refuse list, as a result of mask noncompliance, will be permitted to resume travel at some point in time. In cases where an incident may have started with face mask noncompliance and escalated into anything involving something more serious or certainly an assault on one of our key members or customers, those passengers are going to remain on our permanent internal refuse list and will never be allowed to travel with us again. I would just add in this vein, we're very grateful to our partners and the Federal government who have prioritized the safety of our crews, both our grand crews and our crews in the air during this period. And we are really appreciative of the announcement yesterday from the acting FAA Administrator, Billy Nolen, who said that the zero-tolerance policy against unrolled passengers is here to stay as we anticipate unfortunately, that these cases will continue. Although as Robert noted earlier today, hopefully, with a fewer incidents.
Operator:
Thank you, and that's all the time we have for Q&A. I'd like to turn the call back to Robert Isom for closing remarks.
Robert Isom:
Thank you. I'll just close with this. Look, we've worked really hard as a company to get to at this point to be able to take advantage of an environment where demand is improving. The airline is structured in a really great fashion. I want to thank our team members for working so hard to get us through the pandemic and to be in a position to actually realize everything that we want to make about American. And in terms of the transition as well, this is my first earnings call, I want to thank our Board of Directors, especially Doug Parker for making things really work smoothly, putting us in a position to be talking about things that are very, very favorable. And so for our team, you've heard from a lot of players here today. I couldn't be more proud and confident in the team that we have from a senior leadership perspective. You're going to hear more from them as time goes on. And our job right now is to make the second quarter forecast a reality. That is what we're focused on. So we're going to get out there and make it happen. And I want to thank everybody for their time today.
Operator:
Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.
Operator:
Good morning, and welcome to the American Airlines Group Fourth Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And now, I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Head of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Dan Cravens:
Thank you, Liz and good morning everyone and welcome to the American Airlines Group fourth quarter 2021 earnings conference call. On the call this morning, we have Doug Parker, Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President and incoming CEO; and Derek Kerr, Chief Financial Officer. Also on the call for our Q&A session are some of our senior executives, including Maya Leibman, Steve Johnson, Vasu Raja, David Seymour, Nate Gatten and Devon May. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our quarter and will update the actions we have taken during the pandemic. Robert will then follow up with some remarks about our operations and initiatives for 2022. After Robert’s remarks, Derek will follow with the details on the quarter and provide guidance for the year. After Derek’s comments, we’ll open the call for analyst questions and lastly questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin today, we must state that today’s call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecasts of capacity and fleet plans. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release that was issued this morning as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2021. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP measures is included in the earnings release and that can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website and the information that we are giving you on the call this morning is as of today’s date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So, thanks again for joining us this morning. And at this point, I will turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Dan. Good morning, everybody, and thanks for being on the call. We have a lot to cover today, but I am going to start with the big news since last quarter’s call, at least for me, which is that Robert Isom is going to be the next CEO of American Airlines. That change is effective on March 31. I am going to remain Chairman of the American Board, but importantly, I will have no executive duties. Robert will be fully in charge. I will stand as Chairman for as long as Robert and the Board find that a value. This is terrific news for our team. Robert is going to be the ninth CEO in the nearly 100-year history of American Airlines, which we believe is the best job in all of aviation. And we all are excited for Robert and for American. As you all know, Robert is someone I have worked alongside for several decades. He is an extraordinary team builder, who understands the complexities of operating in an airline like American. He loves the people of American and he brings a fresh perspective to the future of American. I know he is going to accomplish great things and I am looking forward to watching that happen along with all of you. Now, what this transition does mean is this is going to be my last earnings call with you all, which is kind of a big deal for me. I have had a speaking role on every quarterly earnings call since I became CFO of America West Airlines in June of 1995. So by my calculations, this makes this my 107th consecutive quarterly call. So, look, I am going to try not to speak as much on this one as I have on the first 106 calls, especially as it relates to the company’s go-forward plans, rather, I am going to let those who are leading American into the future to talk about that future. But before I turn over the stage, I do have a couple of quick thank yous. First is to you all, the sell-side analysts and the reporters, who cover our business. You all have very important jobs covering this crazy industry that we all love and you do it extremely well. I hope you have great respect for what you do and the challenges you face. And I have done my best throughout my career to treat you with the respect you deserve and to give you access in the community you need to do your jobs well. And you have all been extremely fair to me, which I really appreciate. So, thank you very much as a blanket thank you to all of you on the line. It also goes to some of the great people that proceeded you, former analysts like Carl Carros, Candace Browning, Sam Bucket; and former reporters like Terry Max and Susan Carey and Scott McCarthy. Thank you, all. The second thank you is to the American Airlines team, which I can’t begin to do adequately on this call. But what I can do to somewhat thank them is to tell you all about the phenomenal job they did in 2021. For the year when growing back to meet a huge increase in demand was the most important and challenging objective for all airlines. The American team grew back faster and further than anyone else. We served about 25% more customers than any other airline in 2020, which is phenomenal in our industry. The last time in the U.S. airline was that much larger than the next best next highest competitor was more than 10 years ago and that was done by merging two existing airlines, not through organic growth. This growth in 2021 led us to hire 16,000 new team members last year. We expect to hire another 18,000 in 2022. And our team managed that growth while taking great care of our customers. We posted the best operating performance in our company’s history in 2021 with the highest on-time performance and completion factor we have ever had. And we were the second highest to the four largest airlines in all of those metrics despite the fact we grew back so much further and faster than they did. We are particularly proud of how we ended the year certainly relative to our competitors. Our team had a far more customers than any other airline over holidays, and we did so with much less disruption than our primary competitors. American was the top-performing airline among all airlines in December in each of the key operating metrics. And as our teams performed as well, our customers have taken note. Our full year 2021 likelihood to recommend scores, were the highest in American’s history. That’s an incredible testament to our people, who not only show up everyday to operate the world’s largest airline, but they do so in a way that welcomes back our customers with open arms. And all this translated to our shareholders as well in a year of very difficult stock performance for the industry. American stock increased 19%, far more than any other U.S. airline. So, I want to summarize all this to convey my gratitude to the incredible American Airlines team. And I want to thank each of them on behalf of our customers, our shareholders and everyone who counts on them everyday. It’s this performance that gives us great confidence and momentum as we head into 2022 and beyond. So with that, thank you all again. I am going to now turn it over to our soon-to-be CEO, Robert Isom, to talk about what lies ahead. Robert?
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. I want to start by thanking the entire American Airlines team for their efforts in the fourth quarter and throughout this entire pandemic. And I’d like to reiterate how honored I am to be taking on the role as CEO. I want to express my appreciation for Doug’s partnership and friendship over the years. As you all know, that leaves behind an incredible legacy, having opened many doors for our airlines and our industry. I look forward to continuing to work closely with him over the coming months to ensure a seamless transition. I am taking on this role at a very important time for American. Over the past few years, our airline and our industry have gone through a period of transformative change that American has made good use of that time, especially in regard to renewing our fleet, facilities and network and making the company as efficient as possible. For fleet, we have dramatically simplified. We now operate just four fleet types. That gives us operating flexibility, reliability and efficiency. American’s fleet remains the youngest to the U.S. network carriers. Our aircraft are equipped with industry-leading WiFi, new interiors and we have added seats to our 737 and A321 fleets, bringing us more in line with the rest of the industry. For facilities, we have expanded the number of gates we operate at our largest hubs in Dallas/Fort Worth and Charlotte. And we have inaugurated a wonderful new regional concourse at Reagan National, which is historically our most profitable hub. We have also invested more than $200 million in lounges over the past five years with new Admirals Club lounges opening at Reagan National and LaGuardia. New and upgraded airport spaces are underway in New York, Chicago and Los Angeles as well. And we have also updated maintenance training and corporate spaces throughout the system to ensure our team can perform at an even higher level. For network, we are finding more to where our customers want to go. Our DFW and Charlotte hubs are prime to operate more than 900 and 700 flights per day, respectively. Our partnerships with JetBlue in the Northeast and Alaska in the West Coast allow us to create an industry-leading presence in markets that have historically been difficult for American. And our proposed investments in South American carriers strengthened our already industry-leading position in that region. As demand continues to recover and we return to full utilization of our assets, American is poised to outperform. We have extracted $1.3 billion of efficiencies and we are operating an economic fleet that will provide CASM-X tailwinds as capacity is restored. Based on our current assumptions, we expect all of this to result in a return to profitability later this year and continued deleveraging as we paid down $15 billion of debt by the end of 2025. And I am excited to hit the ground running in April and build on our momentum to deliver results in 2022. So, let’s get to the business in the quarter. This morning, American reported a fourth quarter GAAP net loss of $931 million and a full year GAAP net loss of $2 billion. Excluding net special items, we reported a net loss of $921 million for the quarter and a net loss of $5.4 billion for the full year. Our results for 2021 were significantly improved over 2020, but the impact of the Omicron variant has affected the timing of a full revenue recovery. We delivered a strong revenue performance in the fourth quarter, despite the rise in infections. We reported fourth quarter revenues of $9.4 billion, our highest for any quarter since the start of the pandemic and a sequential increase of $458 million from the third quarter. Our cargo team continues to do a fantastic work and delivered record cargo revenues of $1.3 billion in 2021, 30% higher than our previous record. As we have seen throughout the pandemic, each new variant and corresponding increasing cases is followed by a faster recovery of demand with fewer regulatory restrictions and changes in travel policies. Based on what we are seeing, we expect Omicron to follow the same pattern. Bookings are recovering quickly after dropping off considerably in early December, though they are still not back to pre-Omicron levels. Leisure travel, particularly in the U.S. and short-haul international market remains very strong and is approaching a 100% recovery. We expect this trend to continue. And interestingly, we have seen many of our customers that have historically – we have historically called leisure travelers are actually flying for reasons beyond just vacations. They may fly to a feature or a mountain destination, but they are actually going to work remotely for the week. The lines between leisure and business travel are definitely blurred. The recovery of international and business travel slowed late in the fourth quarter, given the Omicron variant, but we remained very bullish on both. The return of international travel is directly linked to travel restrictions around the globe. As the restrictions falloff, we expect international travel to pickup considerably. We still expect business travel to come back in full, but it will come back in a different way. And by that, I mean the overall mix of business customers, how they travel and how we serve them. As we have shared previously, small and medium sized business travel remains the strongest segment. In the fourth quarter, small and medium business travel was roughly 80% recovered, while large corporate travel was only 40% recovered. In addition, small and medium business revenue had sequential month-over-month improvement in December in spite of the impact of Omicron. We are optimistic that as corporate travel returns in a significant way this year and as companies come back more fully into the office and get back on the road, we are going to be back on track. But as we are developing our plans and forecast for this year, we are working to build an airline that can be profitable even without the full return of managed corporate travel. The demand environment has changed a lot through the pandemic. Because of this, we have to be nimble and responsive. We have built agile processes that allow us to deliver the network our customers need and want, no matter the environment. The game has changed and our team is ready. Growing back our network the way we did in 2020 is a feat in and of itself, but to do so while running a reliable operation and achieving strong revenue results along the way make it even more impressive. We entered 2022 with tremendous confidence as a result of the way we finished last year and started the new year. As Doug noted, American had the best reliability of all U.S. carriers in December and the highest annual likelihood to recommend scores in our history. We are very pleased that 97% of our team has been vaccinated or submitted a request for an accommodation, with no one losing their job. We put creative agreements in place with our union partners to support the operation throughout the pandemic and just recently reached new contract extensions for some of our team members to start the year, all of this while flying more flights and more passengers than any other U.S. carrier by a wide margin. To ensure this momentum continues, we have two sharply focused priorities for this year
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Robert and good morning everyone. Before I review the results, I would also like to thank the American Airlines team for their outstanding work during the quarter. This pandemic has been relentless. And despite the uncertainty, our team continued to show it’s the best in the business. This morning, we reported a fourth quarter GAAP net loss of $931 million or a loss of $1.44 per share. Excluding net special items, we reported a net loss of $921 million or a loss of $1.42 per share. For the full year 2021, we reported a GAAP net loss of $2 billion. And excluding net special items, we reported a net loss of $5.4 billion. Despite the impact of Omicron that we saw in this quarter, the trajectory of our revenue recovery continues to be positive and it even exceeded our initial expectations as we outlined on our last call. Our fourth quarter revenue was down 17% compared with the same period of 2019 versus our original guidance of down 20%. This gradual improvement makes it even clearer to us that despite the uncertain demand environment, the steps we have taken over the past 24 months to bolster our network and improve our revenue generating capabilities are working. On the cost side, we remain focused on keeping our controllable cost down and we actioned $1.3 billion in permanent annual cost initiatives in 2021, providing a new and more efficient baseline for our 2022 budget. During the fourth quarter, we made the decision to invest in the operation with a holiday pay program for our employees as well as reducing our peak holiday capacity. These actions did put pressure on our unit cost performance in the fourth quarter, but they led to a strong operational performance over that period. This included an industry leading month of operating performance in December, when it mattered the most to our customers. On the fleet side, I am pleased to report that our fleet harmonization project is now nearly complete, with our last A321 going into the shop this quarter. This is a full year ahead of our original schedule. We are excited to have this project behind us. In addition to a consistent product and better experience for our customers, the operational benefits of having a simplified and streamlined fleet are already being realized. The changes we have made to our A321s and 737s enable us to fly 2% more total capacity than we could have with the old configuration, thus providing a unit cost tailwind as we continue to build back our network. In addition to better unit cost, these reconfigured aircraft will also generate more revenue, allowing us to recover from the pandemic even faster. With respect to our wide-body aircraft, we continue to have productive conversations with Boeing to determine the timing of our delayed 788 deliveries that were expected to arrive last year. Due to the continued uncertainty of delivery schedule, these aircraft remain out of our near-term schedule to minimize customer disruption. We expect to fly 4 aircraft during our peak summer schedule. We ended the fourth quarter with $15.8 billion of total available liquidity, which is the highest year end liquidity balance in the company’s history. As we have said in the past, the deleveraging of American’s balance sheet remains a top priority and we are committed to significant debt reduction in the years ahead. Even with this volatile demand environment, we remain on track with our target of reducing overall debt levels by $15 billion by the end of 2025. In fact, as of the end of 2021, we have already reduced our overall debt levels by $3.7 billion from our peak levels in the second quarter of 2021. During the quarter, we made $706 million in scheduled debt payments, which resulted in paying off the 2013-1 WTC B tranche. In the first quarter, we expect to make $337 million of scheduled debt payments, which will include unencumbering 12 aircraft. For our pension, our funded status improved by 9.2 points to 77.9%, resulting in a $2 billion reduction in the underfunded liability on a year-over-year basis. Lastly, during the fourth quarter, we completed approximately $960 million of WTC financing, and we now have financing secured for all our 2022 deliveries through the third quarter. Our 2022 budget reflects our priorities to run a reliable airline for our customers and return to profitability. Our plan includes ongoing investments that will help build upon the positive momentum we have seen in our operations while leveraging the cost efficiencies and network enhancements we have talked so much about. We believe these actions will provide a solid baseline for both profitability and free cash flow production when demand has fully recovered. Looking to the first quarter, COVID impacted demand and elevated fuel prices will continue to put pressure on our near-term margins. In this environment, we expect our capacity to be down approximately 8% to 10% versus the first quarter of 2019. Based on current demand assumptions and capacity plans, we expect total revenue to be down approximately 20% to 22% versus the first quarter of 2019. We expect our first quarter CASM, excluding fuel and net special items, to be up between 8% and 10%. While we expect to be unprofitable on a pre-tax basis in January and February, we anticipate a material improvement and a return to profitability in March as demand returns. As for 2022 capacity, much of our plans are subject to the uncertain timing of deliveries of our 788 aircraft. As I mentioned previously, we removed these aircraft from our near-term schedule to protect our customers. This reduction is worth approximately 1 to 2 points of scheduled capacity for 2022. With this adjustment, we expect to add back our capacity throughout the year and to have full year capacity recovered to approximately 95% of 2019 levels. This of course is subject to the future demand environment and we always have the ability to adapt if demand conditions warrant. As we look at our costs, like other airlines, we are seeing inflationary pressures in fuel prices, hiring and training for both new hires and existing crews as we build back our operation, including on the regional side. We are also seeing increased starting wages for certain work groups, including vendors. In addition, we are seeing unit cost pressures from the rolling 788 delays as well as the impact from our ramp and mechanic contract that was ratified in early 2020. Even with these unit cost pressures, our fleet simplification strategy enables higher aircraft utilization and higher average gauge, both of which will help alleviate some of these pressures. As such, we expect our full year CASM, excluding fuel and special items, to be up approximately 5% versus 2019, with the second half of the year much lower than the first half as we fly in more efficient schedule. For the full year, our projected debt maturities are expected to be $2.6 billion. This includes the cash settlement of our $750 million unsecured notes that mature in June. Without any additional prepayment of debt, we project our total debt will be down $5.4 billion at the end of 2022 versus our peak levels in 2021. With respect to capital expenditures, we expect full year 2022 CapEx to be approximately $2.6 billion, which is significantly lower than in previous years and versus others as our fleet replacement needs are complete. Net aircraft CapEx, including pre-delivery deposits, is expected to be $1.8 billion and non-aircraft CapEx is expected to be $800 million. So in conclusion, we are incredibly proud of our team for their continued resilience in a very challenging environment. With the bold actions we have taken and steadfast commitment of our team, we are well-positioned for the future. Now before we open up the line to questions, I would like to acknowledge Dan Cravens for a minute. Today is Dan Cravens’ 62nd call, not quite as many as 107, but 67 is pretty amazing and final earnings call as part of our American Airlines, U.S. Airways and America West team. I’d like to personally thank Dan for his two decades of service, his advocacy for both the airline and our investors and for his friendship. The continuing Dan provided – or the continuity, excuse me, Dan provided over 20 years in his role across multiple airlines, multiple crisis and a global academic is unmatched. We wish him the best of luck in his next adventure. We will be introducing Scott Long, who will be stepping into Dan’s role from our financial planning organization later this month. So with that, I’d like to open up the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie Baker:
Hey, good morning. Just quickly, Doug, I love your prepared remarks. I know the point wasn’t to make me feel old, but Paul, Candace, Sam, I mean, what a throwback. But it really has been a privilege to speak to you on these calls, all these conferences, all these years. I did want to just add my own thanks and congratulations. And obviously, same goes to my friend, Dan Cravens. First question, on the traffic liability, Derek. So sequentially, from the third quarter to the fourth, it declined by about $360 million, granted this is less than the customary seasonal decline, but Delta and United both experienced flat sequential trends. And I’m just trying to understand what the nuances the puts and takes are, whether it’s a network issue, differences in forward bookings, any additional color on the ATL sequential change?
Derek Kerr:
No, there is not really any difference, any color, I think, from a stored value basis, though that stayed pretty much the same. Future travel dropped from – I think we were at 6.4 in total ATL balance, future travel was 3.6, went down to 3.2, which is a normal seasonality for us. We did see a pickup at the end of the month or at the end of the month from normal buying. So I think it’s just normal seasonality for us. And what we didn’t see as much as the stored value being used and some additions because, as you know, some of the issues with the cancellations and things that were out there, we added a little bit to that. But I would have expected it to drop even more, but it held up just because of the fact that from an operations standpoint, there were – we added a little bit in the fourth quarter from issues with the operation. But other than that, I think it’s just seasonality or what we normally see. I’m not sure why others were flat or up other than what they did.
Jamie Baker:
All right. That’s perfect. And just a quick follow-up, and I don’t want to get bogged down in comparing your guides to that of United and Delta, but you all expect to arrive at a pretty similar first quarter revenue outcome, down 20-plus points from ‘19. But you have to fly considerably more capacity to arrive at that output. Can you just remind us what some of the seasonal and network factors that drive this? I understand there is more seasonality for you in the first quarter, but I’m just trying to figure out what causes that drag.
Vasu Raja:
Hey, Jamie, this is Vasu. The reality of where we still are in the first quarter is that there is still probably a pretty large variability in first quarter forecast. And so much like Derek, I won’t comment on what our competitors are looking at. But we have taken a pretty conservative view of what revenue production will be in Q1. We’ve been encouraged by recent trends as case growth spikes. We’re already seeing bookings come in stronger. So we will see. But what we see to realize through the pandemic is that we have a lot of levers to go play in the airline really flexibly, and we can shift things up and down and indeed move capacity from one market to another far more nimbly than we had in times past. And after so many crises, we thought we were nimble before and we got even faster. So there is still a lot yet to do in the first quarter, and we will see how things come together as demand start hitting back up.
Jamie Baker:
Okay, that’s great. Thank you, gentlemen. Take care.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Jamie.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Mike Linenberg:
Yes. Hey, good morning, everyone. And yes, really to echo a lot of what Jamie said. Doug, it’s been a privilege really. And I’ve learned a lot going all the way back to the early 2000s and Dan as well. Dan, you’ve been a great friend and you’ve been a great supporter. And so Scott, you’ve got some pretty big shoes to fill there.
Dan Cravens:
Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Mike.
Mike Linenberg:
Just quickly on to questions. I’m sure you’re going to get some along these lines. I just want to hit on sort of this G5-ish – or excuse me, G5, 5G issue. The FA was out, I think, yesterday or two days ago saying something like 62% of the U.S. fleet is – should be fine. Where do you guys stack up? And the way we should think about this, is this going to be – is this going to blow over over the next few weeks or is this going to sort of reappear five, six months down the road, when maybe some of these exemption zones or buffer zones around airports, maybe there is changes there. Like what should we be concerned about? What should we anticipate as this 5G rolls out over time? Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Okay. They are asking me to take this one even though I was wondering to talk very much, Mike. This has been like my last assignment. Anyway – This is look – and we’ve all been – every airline, all CEOs that involve this over the holidays, it wasn’t – it’s -anyway, it wasn’t our finest hour, I think, as a country to get us to that point. But the good news is we now have what should have been going on for quite some time, which is the manufacturers, the telecoms, the government agencies all sharing information that they need to make sure that this can be rolled out in a way that all Americans get 5G and all Americans know that their flights aren’t going to be impacted by that 5G. So where we sit right now is the way that we’re all able to upgrade our fleet is because the telecoms have agreed not to fully deploy some of their towers near airports. So with that agreement, everything is fine. Again, I will turn to David. As far as you’ll ever see, everything is totally fine. You see, we don’t expect really any material disruption whatsoever as long as that’s in place. I think that’s not gong to stay in place. We need to get to where they can actually – and we want to get to where they actually can deploy all the towers they have in place and that we can still do that. But no one’s going to make – no one’s going to go do that until we all agree that it can be done without disruption. So, a long way of me saying, it’s taken a while to get to the right spot, but I feel like we’re in the right spot and the right people to derive information. I don’t think you’re going to see any material disruption going forward because of this.
Mike Linenberg:
Great. That’s what I wanted to hear. And just, Derek, a quick one on the non-op expense, $360 million for the quarter. Because of where your pension is and maybe the potential gains that you’re anticipating and how you book it into 2022, is there going to be a pension tailwind not only in the March quarter, but for the year and any sort of rough estimate on what we should use from a modeling perspective? Thank you.
Derek Kerr:
Yes. I think there is a pension tailwind into the year. So if we ended up the quarter 380 for this quarter. We’re projecting it to be in the 350 range from now and slowly declining as we pay off some debt throughout the quarter. So, I would – first quarter should be more in the 350, 360 range and declining to about the 340 range in the fourth quarter.
Mike Linenberg:
That’s great. Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Helane Becker with Cowen.
Helane Becker:
Thank you very much operator. And yes, Doug, it’s been really nice knowing you, but hopefully, we will continue to stay in touch. And Dan, I mean you’ve been a really good supporter. Actually, your whole team has been a really good support of our conferences over the years. So thank you very much and best wishes to both of you. And I refused to tell you how many of those conference calls.
Doug Parker:
I think I know, but thanks so much.
Helane Becker:
No worries. So actually, I guess, I don’t know, maybe Vasu or Robert. Can you just address two things? There – you guys have said you’re going to hire, I guess, a gross number of 18,000 people this year. And some of those are going to be pilots. We’re seeing United and American – or Delta, rather, cut regional jet capacity because they don’t have enough pilots. Are you going down that similar path? Or are you in a better position from a training perspective?
Robert Isom:
So Helane, thanks. It’s Robert. Thanks for that question. So we are going to be doing a lot of hiring this year. We did a lot of hiring as well last year. So from a tone perspective, we had a couple of years of the pandemic in which, quite frankly, there weren’t a lot of people being trained. And given the demand, we – the capacity in the industry fell by quite a bit. So as we all rebound, of course, there is a constraint that we are all dealing with. There is not enough production. I do – a pilot. I do believe that over time that, that supply and demand imbalance will be remedied. It’s an incredibly attractive profession when you think about the starting wages and the ultimate compensation for the industry. So we’re doing everything that we can, and I know other companies are as well, to encourage those that are looking for a great profession to come into the business. But in the short run, from a mainline perspective, look, we have – American is a very, very attractive brand. We’re going to have plenty of pilots. The biggest issue that we’re dealing with is the throughput of pilots and getting them through training. We’ve invested an incredible amount of resources and having training assets ready to go. Those are all coming online. And again, from a mainline perspective, we will be able to supply all that we need. The imbalance is really going to be played out in the regional carriers. And on that front, like other carriers, we’re going to have issues as well. We have them right now. We’re working very hard on that. It’s impacting us to a certain degree, but we’re going to do everything that we can to make sure that it’s not a material impact over time.
Helane Becker:
Okay. That’s very helpful, thank you. And then just my follow-up question, I don’t know who wants to answer this one. But when you talk about small- and medium-sized businesses and those folks who are traveling, because they really have to for their livelihood, can you talk about also whether they have got the credit card and if you’re seeing increased credit card acquisition in that category?
Vasu Raja:
Hey, Helane, this is Vasu, and I’m happy to answer your question. Indeed, this is one of our increasingly fair topics to talk about. You are correct. We see small and mid-market business growth. But look, the diversity of who that customer is really can’t be overstated, everybody from somebody starting a business to sometimes relatively large companies who are seeing growth through the pandemic and get on the road to drive sales or visit factories or whatever the case might be. And for us, we do very – we haven’t seen growing acquisitions on our co-branded credit cards. Indeed, in Q4, it’s not just that our spend level were eclipsed in 2019. But our acquisitions, even net of attrition, was equal to and very often, for some months and some weeks, greater than what it was in 2019, which means that where people are coming to the card. That said, we see a real opportunity within the space of small business, mid-market business because the reality is we don’t actually have a true card product or an entire consumer offering for that segment. A lot of things that we have are either tailored for really large corporate accounts or individual travellers. So we see a lot of opportunity as we come out of this and a lot of ways to go and drive a lot more value to that customer and captured in our P&L.
Helane Becker:
Thanks very much Vasu. Thanks everybody.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Helane.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hi, thanks. Good morning. I wanted to ask you both the same question I asked Gary and Bob at their Investor Day. You have worked together for a long time as a team. But from a change perspective, is there any daylight between the two of you strategically? And do you have any examples of issues where you really constructively disagreed over the last decade?
Robert Isom:
Hey, Duane. Thanks. I’ll start. Look, Doug and I are different leaders, and we definitely go about how we lead the company in different ways. But I’ll tell you that in terms of the strategic direction of American, I’ve not only worked with Doug, but I’ve been part of every major decision in this company over the last – since the merger. And so from that perspective, we’re doing the right thing. I’m excited about the positioning of American. The assets that we’ve put in place, whether it’s fleet airport, alliances, our network, we’re ready to go. As demand recovers and we can put our assets to full utilization, we’re poised to outperform. So from that perspective, I don’t expect to hear a lot of difference in terms of the way that Doug does things. But right now, I am solely focused on making sure that we deliver a great product for our customers, and that’s running a reliable airline, and getting back to profitability.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thanks for the thoughts and appreciated. It’s a tricky question. Maybe one for Vasu, how different would March quarter capacity have been if we never had Omicron? Maybe this is an unfair observation, but it feels like Americans’ plans relative to the industry are very static in what is obviously a very dynamic world. Appreciate you taking the questions.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Absolutely, and I appreciate the question. Look, it’s sort of hard to do what hypotheticals would be. But what I would say is this. The part of the reason why maybe there is probably less volatility in our schedules is where our airline’s sort of naturally positioned. We – not only do we operate a lot more of our capacity in domestic, we generate a lot more of value for customers and RASM results from flying in domestic. So for most of the pandemic, certainly the last several months, we’ve oriented about 85ish percent of our ASM capacity in the domestic and short-haul operations. As we go in the first quarter, it will be about 80ish percent in those, with another 5% or so constituting major international markets like one at Heathrow, for example. So for us, so much of our network is there, indeed. So 65% of our network is in our – what we call Sunbelt hubs, Phoenix, DFW, Charlotte, D.C., Miami, that have been extremely robust through the pandemic, and any one of those hubs produce unit revenues, which are well in excess of what our competitors do. So a little bit of what you see as a network composition difference, quite frankly. As we go out in the first quarter, quite briefly, we are flying the things where we can most directly create value for the customer and outperform. And we’re not doing the things that don’t. So our long-haul schedules are 70% of what they have historically been. Our short-haul schedules are a lot closer to what flat is. So what it would be like when demand is that remains to be seen. But for us, the real opportunity when we said it all through the pandemic is less about driving volume. And the capacity base, the cost base of the airline changes only very marginally, whether we fly at 95% or 92% of the airline. The really big thing for us is domestic yield performance. And as we look out, I mean, if indeed demand comes back where we see it is less about how we go and manipulate capacity around the system and more about how we capture it in yield growth.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Appreciate the thoughts.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Duane.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Hunter Keay:
Good morning. Robert, as you think about taking over the CEO role, what are some of the things that you want to accomplish in your first 100 days? Maybe when your ability to put your stamp on things is at its highest.
Robert Isom:
Hunter, I’m going to just be really clear and focused on that. Our goal right now is to get back to profitability as soon as possible to deliver a reliable product, plain and simple. As I take a look forward, we’ve got a great opportunity ahead of us. And everything come together is the right time. I do think that we’re in a position where demand is poised to react. Everything that we see suggests that there is a pent-up desire for people to get out on the road, whether it’s for leisure or business demand. And for that, I think I’ve got a special opportunity, one that brings together everything that we’ve been bringing – working so hard to do throughout the pandemic and bringing that to fruition. So as I take look out to the middle of the year, I do think that we’re going to get back to profitability. I do think that American is going to continue to a very reliable airline, and I think we’re going to be very, very competitive in all the markets that we serve.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. And I always – we talked about capacity being driven demand and fuel cost occasionally but what if you’re not able to hire people? And what if you’re not able to hire the right people that fit the culture that you want to build at American? Is there a decision where you would decide to be smaller as opposed to hiring people that might not be great cultural fits?
Robert Isom:
So, Hunter, thanks for that question, because look, this is something that I’m really proud of. Last year, as we built back, the entire economy, all industries had struggled with finding the right people, getting them in the right positions. But you know what, American, as we grew back, we really quickly remedied any issues that we had. And what we found is American is a very, very attractive place to work. American Airlines sells itself in terms of attracting people to it. So whether it’s the new flight attendant classes that are now graduating, whether it’s the thousands of people that we’re bringing on to work in our reservations and agent ranks and those pilots and mechanics that we’re bringing on to work in our reservations and agent ranks and those pilots and mechanics that we are bringing in, we at American, get a chance to really choose those that get to be part of the team. And that’s a great position to be in. Over time, I think that we are going to have to do a lot of work to make sure that the supply of pilots, into our regional carriers is as strong as we needed to be. But you will see us on the forefront of that as well.
Hunter Keay:
Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Hunter.
Operator:
Our next question comes from David Vernon with Bernstein.
David Vernon:
Hey, good morning everybody and congratulations to everybody on their next chapters here. Derek, first question for you on cash flow, if we are looking out at a full year guidance, you have laid out CapEx at 2.6? Should we be expecting cash from operations to cover that? I am just going to get a sense for how secure we should be looking at the balance sheet and the liquidity that you have on there, we are going to be definitive to that from an operating standpoint, are we going to be able to cover that, based on what you see today?
Derek Kerr:
We will definitely be able to cover that.
David Vernon:
Excellent. Short and sweet, I like it. Second question maybe for Robert or Derek, as you look at the capacity and the CASM-X guidance you have given for 2022, down 5, up 5, how do we think about in broad brushes ‘22 to ‘23? If we are up a little, relative to ‘19 and is that just going to be kind of a one for one thing or is there more beta to that, like, how should we be thinking about the operating leverage coming back into the business as demand gets restored?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I think exactly what you are saying I think we are under utilizing our fleet without a doubt at this point in time. I think as we add back our assets, Robert, Robert talks about pilot’s affordability and making sure the throughput happens and get the throughput through. So, if we – and the 78, so you have two opportunities to grow this airline at a very cheap cost, I think the cost headwind, there is probably 3 or 4 points of cost headwind we have in place right now with underutilizing our assets and making sure that when those aircraft get back and we can use them as much as we can, we do not need to add cost, we do not need to add aircraft. So, we could in today’s world, we could fly the airline probably 5% more with the cost structure we have today. So it’s pretty close to one for one. It might be a little bit sticky in there a little bit, but it’s pretty darn close to one for one on the first 5% that we could add back.
David Vernon:
Alright. Thanks, guys.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Dan McKenzie with Seaport Global.
Dan McKenzie:
Hey, good morning. Congrats to both Doug and Dan on what an amazing run it’s been. It’s really been a pleasure. A couple of questions here. One housecleaning question, just one follow-up on small and medium-sized businesses. Vasu, what’s factored into the first quarter revenue outlook with respect to the timing of international returning, are you just sort of straight lining current trends or did you factor in some kind of escalation in March potentially?
Vasu Raja:
Hey, great question. And you are absolutely correct. We are – our straight lining current trends with a load exception of our short-haul business.
Dan McKenzie:
Okay.
Vasu Raja:
It tends to peak in the March, April time period as North America goes on spring breaks and Easter vacations.
Dan McKenzie:
Okay. Very good. Secondly, just following up on Helane’s question on small and medium-sized businesses, I am wondering if you can elaborate on kind of their purchase behavior versus a typical leisure travel or delay book further out closer in, it’s presumably higher margin business. I am just trying to get a sense of what that means. And I guess I didn’t in the PowerPoint, I guess or I didn’t catch what that revenue from small and medium sized business was as a percent of 2019 revenue and how you are thinking about that turning potentially here in 2022?
Vasu Raja:
Sure. Maybe let me answer those in a slightly different order. First, small business – as we ended December, what we call small and mid-market business was 80% recovered. Large corporate business people who bought on big managed programs was 40% recovered ballpark. Interestingly, what that means for us, historically, as 40% of our revenues came from business, about 15 points of that were from large corporates and the balance were from small and mid-market companies. Due to the pandemic that shifted a lot, where less than 10 points comes from manage corporates. As we think about next year, we absolutely anticipate a rebound of business travel. But something where something – a lot more closer to 30 points of the 40 points or so is coming from small to mid-market and manage corporates come down a little. This is something which is certainly an opportunity that we look upon very favorably and may in many ways be unique to American Airlines, because so much of that small business growth, to your question about the profile does actually book in a very similar booking window as large corporate travel, is that much shorter days to departure than what leisure is. But very critically, it’s originating in markets that are in the center of the country being Oklahoma City or Austin, San Antonio, places like that. It engages in trip behavior, which is very different than manage corporate. People are willing to go stay a Saturday night and fly on a lower load factor flight. But very importantly, it comes in at the same level as yields of large corporate businesses. But at a fraction of the cost of sales, the cost of sales looks a lot more like what leisure is. So, we see this as a sign of real opportunity. And indeed, as we look out there, and if you think about things, we see that – to Robert’s comments earlier, the nature of this travel is starting to change that, as we see small businesses traveling. There are more people traveling for a blend of business leisure purposes, more people willing to go buy themselves a premium bear product when a cheaper one is available. So, we have seen a lot of opportunity as the world changes. And we are going to position ourselves to execute on that.
Dan McKenzie:
That’s terrific. Thanks Vasu.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Catherine O’Brien with Goldman Sachs.
Catherine O’Brien:
Hey, good morning, everyone. And just want to echo my congratulations to Doug and Dan. It’s really been a pleasure working with you the last, I guess, almost 12 years now. So, thanks for the good time. Question, maybe just on your 2022 growth outlook for that 5%, I understand that the uncertainty around the 787 this makes it more difficult. But can you share high level what you are thinking the breakout between domestic and international growth is based on your current 78 assumption? And what’s driving the decision on where to allocate that capacity? Thanks.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Hey, this is Vasu, I can help with that. We are – as we see at – this is maybe your first question. We anticipate that with the 787, we will be a materially smaller international airline what we would otherwise like to be, operating something which is probably, let’s call it 75% to 85% of the scale we had in 2019. But our short-haul network, domestic and the narrowbodies, we fly in Mexico, Caribbean, Latin America, will probably be a lot closer to what 2019 is. But there is a couple of other important things to note there. Of course, first, we have a very conservative view of what happens with the 787s. And indeed, a pretty conservative view about how international demand even recovers through the course of the year. So, a big mix of our international flying. And you can already see it in published schedules, is oriented around markets where we can go a drive a lot of the connectivity through whether it’s Heathrow or other partner hubs, Doha things like that, that we might not have in times. The other thing that’s out there too, into an earlier comment I made, we have a lot more flexibility with the airline. And indeed, due to the pandemic we have come to realize that much easier. Within a few points, we have a lot of flexibility on how we go and plan the airline. And so we are consciously trying to build the airline so that we can be really efficient and how we utilize our assets and make moves around the system so that we can go fly the markets that customers demand most, even if it’s relatively late in the booking curve. So, while those broad strokes of where capacity is still fit, things may change and realistically they will change as demand comes back.
Catherine O’Brien:
Got it. And then maybe one more for you again Vasu, just to dig into your short-term revenue outlook a bit more, understand there is a lot of moving pieces. But your RASM performance versus ‘19 improved each quarter to 2021. It looks like it’s going to get worse in the first quarter period guidance, of course you call out impact of Omicron. But can you help us think of the drivers a bit more and anything we should know about cargo or other revenue trends, or is that really just your conservative view, as you noted on loads and pricing on the passenger side? Thanks for the time.
Vasu Raja:
Look, it’s very much the conservative view and that’s been gone through multiple waves of the pandemic, one of the things that we have come to more reliably build forecasts on is the amount of time it takes from cases peaking to demand recovering. And that’s shortened through every wave. In the Delta wave, it was about a seven-week spread between case peaking to demand bottoming out and growing again. So, a lot of our outlook is based on a slightly shortened version of that occurring. But indeed, what we have been seeing as cases have peaked, wherever they have peaked in the world, Israel, UK, more recently in domestic, it’s not a seven-week span, it’s not a four-week span, it’s something a lot more like a seven- day span. So, it’s still early to tell, as I mentioned earlier, 85% of our capacity is in domestic and if you presume last week was the peak of cases across the country. We have been encouraged by the last few days of bookings. But a lot of our first quarter forecast is based on the conservatism that we have had. We are having seen prior waves before. And indeed, we anticipate that January and February, will remain challenged, because historically, they are seasonally some of the weakest months in our business. So, we will see, but we remain encouraged for how strong demand comes back and we are certainly reserving every seat, because there is a customer that wants to travel and wants to tune.
Doug Parker:
Let’s go and move on to the next question.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Andrew Didora with Bank of America.
Andrew Didora:
Hi, good morning, everyone. Doug, just want to extend my congratulations as well. And the same goes to Dan Cravens. It’s been a pleasure working with both of you over the years. Just first question, around costs, I guess Derek, does the 5% CASM guide include anything from current labor negotiations? And then just secondly, on costs, when we factor in kind of new labor deals, all the kind of the inflation in the economy that you were discussing earlier, even as capacity comes back, do you think that getting back to pre-pandemic CASM-X is a realistic expectation over the next few years?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. It does not include – I mean, it includes year-over-year deals that were already done. So, any deal that is already done is built in. As Robert talked about, we got some real – we got some deals done in the past few weeks that weren’t huge impact on the costs, but really good opportunity to get those deals done and get them done quick with some our groups. But it does not include any new contract negotiations that are complete today. So, that’s number one. Number two, I do think we had expected 2022 to get back to 2019 levels. But with the variant and pulling down the flying from 78 is not being there and also demand not quite being there, we will not get to the 2019 levels. As we get into 2023, it’s definitely possible. It depends on the growth of the airline and other things that we do. If we don’t get there, we will get very close, put it that way. So, I think in 2023, we have kind of – I have always talked about being pretty flat in 2022. That’s not happening really driven by that fully utilizing our assets. As we fully utilize those assets and we plan in 2023, I think we can get to that level or pretty close. We might not get all the way down to 2019. But we will get pretty close.
Andrew Didora:
That’s helpful. And then just lastly for me, for Robert, I guess as you assume the CEO role here, what do you think American needs to do better and I will call it this new role post-pandemic to help drive Americans’ margins back towards pre-pandemic levels? Thanks.
Robert Isom:
Yes. Thanks, Andrew. Hey, look, we need to put all the pieces together, all the things that we have been working on over the last 3 years, and then bring them the baton and execute next year well, running reliably British Airline. I know pays off in terms of unit revenues or pays off in terms of unit costs. And it definitely pays off in terms of customer satisfaction. Again, American has invested in all the right places. When we talk about the aircraft and airports and lounges and what that, and that’s money that has been spent. It’s in place. And now it’s time to bring it back and put it into action. And so we do that. I am quite confident. As Derek has said, I am quite confident in all aspects American is poised to outperform.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Andrew.
Operator:
That concludes the analysts’ Q&A. We will now take questions from the media. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Alison Sider with Wall Street Journal.
Alison Sider:
Hi. I just was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about your expectations for 787 deliveries? And kind of how confident you are, anything that you are hearing from Boeing about what they might expect in terms of the schedule on that?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, Ali, this is Derek. We are still on the same schedule. Mid-April is what we are talking about for our first delivery. That has been locked in on those dates for probably the last couple of months, and we are still planning on that happening. So, we haven’t got any different information in the past couple of months, where I think we are still on target for those and that we would take all 13 throughout the year. But we have been conservatively put four in the schedule for the summer. We had originally thought we could get all 13 in the summer, but pulled that down to four. And we have had really good discussions with Boeing. And I think they are on track as of today to hit that mid-April timeframe. And we are hopeful that that’s still the case and nothing else comes up.
Alison Sider:
Got it. And is this something – is this a situation where you would seek any kind of compensation from Boeing for the delays, or if there was a further delay, is that something you would discuss?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. We are in discussions with Boeing where we are at. There are delayed penalties that are paid and Boeing is paying the delayed penalties. And everything is happening as we speak today. If there are further delays, and it really does impact the summer much more than what we think it is, then – we have had good discussions with Boeing that they will compensate us for the losses that we have had for the delay of those aircraft.
Alison Sider:
Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from David Koenig with the Associated Press.
David Koenig:
Thanks. Hi Doug, well, congratulations as well. I hope you have a great retirement. And you have mentioned 5G in this week’s agreement with Verizon and AT&T. I wondered how long do you get a signal and how long they are willing to delay their full rollout? And why did this have to come down to an 11th hour crisis like this?
Doug Parker:
Yes. Thanks, David. We get the sense that they are – again, the right people are talking to each other, and everyone agrees that it doesn’t make sense to deploy any more 5G until we are certain that it’s not going to have a disruptive effect on airlines. So again, that’s where we stand at this point. I hope that’s where we will stay. I feel really good about this role David, because again, the right people are talking to each other. Why it took this long to the right people to talk to each other, I don’t know. We can do a post audit later. I am not quite certain. Frankly, we are the end user of this dysfunction. It got – we are the ones affected. Our customers are the ones affected. And as it was getting ready to be deployed, and we were, therefore, being told what that was going to mean to our operations, we screamed as loud as we could. And fortunately, people listened. So, that’s where we are today, and what should have happened prior to this is happening now. The technical experts that are working on it tell us it’s really not that complicated once they all are able to share information and work on it. So, they seem encouraged that we will be able to address this in a way that allows for full deployment of 5G, including near airports, I mean again, with lower levels or whatever is required and also doesn’t allow for – it doesn’t require any disruption on air travel. So, that’s where we are. I don’t expect until we get to the point that everyone is really comfortable that, that you will see anything turned on near airports because no one wants to go through this again.
David Koenig:
So, are the airlines talking directly to the telecoms, or are you going through the regulators?
Doug Parker:
Look, it’s much more about the manufacturers our OEMs talking directly to the telecoms, which is happening. So, the Boeings, the Airbuses, the Palaces, Honeywell, Collins, etcetera, talking to their counterparts at AT&T and Verizon, obviously, with FAA involvement. But it’s what needed to happen is now happening is you needed those organizations, those companies able to talk to each other and share information. Because when you do that, we can get results because people are willing to work together. We hadn’t have that, instead we had government agencies talking to each other, and that’s – that can be less productive.
David Koenig:
Alright. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks David.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Good morning. Congratulations, Doug and Robert both. I wanted to ask you if you could talk a little bit about how much of a delay you see the Omicron flare up having on the return to more near normal travel? One of your competitors said it pushes it out 60 days. But I wonder how that ties in with Vasu’s comments about the shortening time between a peak and a bottoming out and then a recovery in demand?
Robert Isom:
Hey Mary, we don’t probably see things a lot different. Look, I think that we were recovering nicely after the Delta variant as we took a look into the Thanksgiving timeframe. But then Omicron hit, demand dropped off fairly rapidly. And yes, demand is recovering faster than it had in previous ways. But I think it – we don’t view demand as anything more than delayed. We don’t think it’s diminished. And if you are taking a look in kind of the one month or the two months, three months timeframe of how demand – the rebound is pushed out, I think that, that’s the appropriate timeframe. And for us, as Vasu has mentioned, I know Doug earlier said as well, look, as we take a look out in February, especially as we get to current period, we see a lot of demand and a lot of strength in the bookings that we are seeing already. So, I do think that as Omicron, we are going to come out strong.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Thank you. And if I could quickly ask, in discussing increased wage levels going forward and as you try to hire more people, is American contemplating at all potentially other unilateral pay increase for unionized workers, either any particular groups or maybe on a more broader basis?
Robert Isom:
And Mary, as I mentioned earlier in the call, American has a very attractive brand. We have incredibly generous compensation benefits programs. We attract people right now with the positions that – and the compensation structure that we have. In various pockets throughout the country, various positions like in regional carriers, we take the appropriate action that we have to. But I feel really confident in where we are today and what we are contemplating in being able to track the right people in the right numbers and getting in front of it, too.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay. Thank you very much.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Leslie Josephs with CNBC.
Leslie Josephs:
Hi. Good morning everyone. I was just wondering what you guys think the impact is going to be of the multiple labor negotiations you have going on now. You have seen complaints about the issues with quality of life, the schedule changes. So, curious if that changes how you think about scheduling the airline going forward? And what sort of – like what maybe you are saying with pay increases in 2022 and beyond, how do you see that going?
Robert Isom:
Hi, Leslie. Thanks for the question. Here is the one thing I know is that everybody at American is joined in the goal and objective of running a really reliable airline, one that returns to profitability as soon as possible. And so I know that our labor leaders, our team members, they want a profitable and successful American Airlines as we go forward. So, as we take a look into any negotiations, I know that that’s the false and good we are all taking. It’s – it has to be a mindset of taking care of our team members certainly, but also making sure we take care of the company and our shareholders. And that’s a balance that we have always been able to maintain and will do going forward. So, as I think – I look going forward, as I said before, I know that we can attract team members to American Airlines. And there are ways we can get better. And by better, it means running an airline that is more reliable too. And I know everybody is joined in that goal.
Leslie Josephs:
Okay. Thanks. And if I could just ask one follow-up on the 787, Derek, did you say that Boeing is definitely paying compensation now, and they could pay even more if the summer schedule is affected?
Derek Kerr:
The first answer is yes. I mean there is delayed penalties that are always in all of these contracts. And Boeing is paying the delayed penalties for each one of these contracts, 320s aircraft. And then the rest of it will be in negotiation as we talk to them. I mean hopefully, we don’t have to do anything. And hopefully, they hit the schedule that they have, and we don’t have any disruption as we go forward. But we have been told from the highest level of the Boeing team that if there is compensation needed to come to the airline that they are fully abreast to help us and to overcome the cost that the 787 has caused us over these last – the delay in those aircraft has cost us over the last few years. And that’s a negotiation we will have with the Boeing team.
Leslie Josephs:
In addition to what they are already paying for the existing delay?
Derek Kerr:
Correct.
Leslie Josephs:
Got it. Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from David Slotnick with TPG.
David Slotnick:
Good morning. Thank you for the question and congratulations, Doug. Robert, during your prepared remarks, you mentioned something about a blurring of line between business and leisure travel. I was wondering if you could elaborate on that a bit? Does it translate to higher yields, premium cabin sales, etcetera?
Robert Isom:
Vasu is going to take this. Go ahead.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Hey David, great to hear from you. Yes, we plan to be a really encouraging trend. We do see a blurring of lines where the trip patterns are changing Thursday, which is still our biggest business day of the week, is also becoming one of our biggest leisure days of the week. We are having more people who buy business style, fare products, travel as if it’s a business trip, but they are going to places, major destinations, Fort Walton Beach, things like that. So, that behavior is starting to change. And we can trace the things where people work Fridays remotely or can spend a week or two weeks at a time working from some place that is not where they live. So, all that’s creating a lot more variation of how we have historically thought about business and leisure, but in that is a lot of opportunity. But clearly, as we go through the pandemic, customers have a lot more flexibility with their time. There is a lot more savings that are out there, and travel has always been one of the most aspirational things for U.S. consumers. So, we see a lot of that, and we benefited a lot – from a lot of that in our short-haul network the most. Our premium cabin sales have been the most robust in places like the Caribbean and leisure destinations in the U.S. more so than they have been and more prototypical business destinations like the Transcon markets or London Heathrow. So, we are really encouraged by that trend. We think that it’s going to lead to a lot of things. That’s why we have done a lot of things where we are increasingly rewarding travel, which is not just for how frequently people fly but for simply spending on our credit cards or spending all across the airline. And from my earlier comments, we think there is even more to do, which can be really great for our customers and, of course, really great to the airline, too.
David Slotnick:
Thanks Vasu, and just as a follow-up. Do you see the impact of inflation leading to anything involved in higher ticket fares, higher prices for customers?
Vasu Raja:
Look, it remains to be seen. I mean this industry has a long history with inflation where it hasn’t always bled so cleanly into fares. So, we will see, and we don’t make any future commentary about pricing. But it’s early to tell and how – whether this level of inflation stays or not if you had really to go and guess at that, too.
David Slotnick:
Great. Thank you very much.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, David.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Dawn Gilbertson with USA Today.
Doug Parker:
Hi Dawn.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Hi. Good morning. I got to say, Doug, I am really jealous. This is your last call, but I m very happy for you and your family.
Doug Parker:
Thanks.
Dawn Gilbertson:
I have a couple of questions, first, for Vasu, following up on Mary’s question about kind of the lag in bookings because of Omicron spring break and summer. I am wondering whether you guys are considering extending your – the expiration date for tickets and for current travel credits? And my second question is probably for Robert, but maybe not. Your call times, like a lot of airlines still are pretty high, as recently as Friday, it was four hours plus. Can you give any specifics on what you are doing to address this persistent problem and what’s behind it? Thanks very much.
Robert Isom:
Hi. It’s great to hear from you, Dawn. I will start and then others can add in to. So, first of all, we are assessing different options for what we call stored value, what we do with people who have COVID-related credits that are out there. We have been really encouraged by what we have seen. We are the only airline that allows customers to do name changes and reassign them. Because of that, we have seen a lot of consumers go and take advantage of that flexibility. And so that, combined with the fact that we have flown with bigger airlines, has led us to at least believe that we may be seeing is probably a little bit different than others. But we are assessing what our options are, and we will have more in the not distant future.
Vasu Raja:
Thanks Dawn, and Maya may want to help me out with this. But hey, with reservations right now with so many changes that are going on in the environment, whether it’s travel restrictions, quarantine requirements, schedule changes, you name it, the level of calls that we are getting right now is really unprecedented, and for good reasons. And what we are trying to do with – to make sure is that not only do we have all of the resources from a reservations perspective available. But we are also investing in things like chat and then callback functions as well. And one of the things I am really proud of is while we have had some extended callback times as of late, I am really proud of the way we have performed throughout the pandemic. American has consistently performed better than a lot of our competitors. And as we come out of this huge call volume spike and I expect us to get back to really reasonable and satisfactory times. Maya, do you want to add anything else?
Maya Leibman:
Yes. Just following up on some of the technologies that we have implemented in res around a virtual assistant, which is sort of artificial intelligence that can respond to some of the easier questions without the customer having to interact with an agent, and they can – that’s a win-win because the customer can really do that asynchronously and get their answer in short order, then this is on to that for more difficult questions. Our res agents are now trained. We have hundreds now trained to be able to handle a chat. And again, this allows them to handle more than one interaction at a time, which is better for our customers and more productive for our agents. And then but like Robert said, that really helps defray some of the impact to reservations. But at the end of the day, the nature of the questions that we are getting are so complex, where people are really wanting to fully understand what are the COVID restrictions in traveling here, what kind of vaccination status do I have to have, how do I use store value combined with this form of payment? And in those cases, we still need our fabulous res agents to be able to handle those.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Thank you very much.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Dawn, before you sign off, with everyone listening in, as you would have absolutely been in my prepared remarks versus except you are still on the line, but look, of all the – for those who don’t know, Dawn has covered airlines here is on our public when we started America West. So, when we were at America West really. Of all the articles that I have read, I have to the level that I have chosen to actually hang on to you, Dawn, more than we have Dawn Gilbertson by the line than anybody else. So, thank you very much. Really, really appreciate it.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Thank you, Doug. It’s been a pleasure.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Dawn. Yes, thank you.
Operator:
That concludes today’s question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the call back to management for closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
I think we are done. Thanks all very much. Really appreciate it. I really appreciate it. I have enjoyed this immensely. This is maybe my favorite of the 107. So, thank you all very much. Congratulations to Robert. Congratulations to Dan, and we will be in touch. Thanks again.
Operator:
This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Good morning, and welcome to the American Airlines Group Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are on a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Now, I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Head of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Dan Cravens:
Thanks, Sara (ph). Good morning, everyone and welcome to the American Airlines Group Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. On the call this morning, we have Doug Parker, Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President, and Derek Kerr, Chief Financial Officer. Also on the call on the line as well for Q&A session are several of our senior execs, including Maya Leibman, Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Global Engagement and Vasu Raja, our Chief Revenue Officer. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our quarter and we'll update that to the actions we've taken during the pandemic. Robert will then follow some remarks about our operations, commercial, and other strategic initiatives. After Robert's remarks, Derek will follow with details on the quarter and our operating plans going forward. After Derek 's comments, we'll open the call for analyst questions, and lastly, questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, cost, forecasts of capacity, and fleet plan. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but there are numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found on our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30th, 2021. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those GAAP numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and that can be found in the Investor Relations section on our website. A webcast of this call will also be available on the website. The information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the materials subsequently. Thanks again for joining us at this point. I will turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Dan, and thank you-all for being with us. Good morning. Our third quarter started out very strong. Our domestic business revenue, which declined from 27% of our 2019 levels in March to 52% in June jumped even more in July, actually jumped to 64%, as companies began to return to work and employees began to return to the skies. As a result, we in American produce our profit in the month of July. But then the spread of Delta variant led to a rebound in pandemic fears, of course, companies deferred return to work plans, and that domestic revenue, the rest of business revenues fell back to 57% of 2019 in August and 47% in September. Now, I know some people will find that kind of discouraging, but we actually think it's encouraging. Despite in business revenue in the month of July, it showed that business travel does want to return. There was enormous pent up demand and once this pandemic behind us, it should resume its prior rapid trajectory to recover. As to how it all gets reflected in the financial results, that profit in July, followed by larger losses in August and September, added up to a cumulative loss. On a GAAP basis, we actually reported a net profit of $169 million. When we exclude net special items, we recorded a net loss of $641 million. While we obviously don't like reporting losses, this is our smallest quarterly loss since the pandemic began in early 2020. [Indiscernible] is how well the American Airlines team is performing. No one is managing through this pandemic and into the recovery better than people in American, that shows in the results. At a time when airlines are struggling to build back service and respond to demand, no one has dealt back further and faster than American. We flew greater than 80% of our 2019 capacity in the third quarter, where our large competitors have restored only 70%. As a result, we flew 13% more seat miles in the quarter than our next closest competitor. Our team safely transporting more than 48 million passengers in the quarter. Our team did this [Indiscernible] an excellent job of taking care of our customers. We struggled with growth ourselves as we entered the quarter. But we responded quickly and aggressively. We ended the quarter flying by far the largest airline in the world with the best September operational performance in American history. Great performance by our team has led to a strong customer acceptance, as evidenced by our industry-leading passenger counts and our revenue trends. For the quarter, revenues were significantly improved over 2020, and we're down 25% in the third quarter versus the same compared to 2019, whereas they were down 37.5% in the second quarter on the same year over 2 year basis. Notably, our passenger unit revenues in the quarter were down 10% versus 2019, versus 12% declines that the other large international US carriers, despite our higher capacity production. On the cost front, we've reshaped our network, simplified our fleet, and built operational cost efficiencies into the business that will serve us well for years to come. We accelerated the retirement of more than 150 older aircraft, and American continues to operate the youngest, the most fuel-efficient fleet of the US network carriers. Importantly, we've action more than $1.3 billion of permanent annual cost reductions into the business through our green flag initiatives. As we've navigated through the crisis, we've been careful to think and look long-term. We've announced a series of strategic relationships with other airlines around the world that strengthen the American network and the additional utilities to our customers and long-term value for our shareholders. The most notable of these are our Northeast alliance with JetBlue and our West Coast international alliance with Alaska, which we continue to implement and grow in the third quarter. Looking forward, we feel great about where American is positioned. Due to deferred business demand and the recent rise in fuel prices, the fourth quarter will be challenging. But that's a near-term issue finding a longer-term [Indiscernible] We're encouraged by the upside that exists in demand for business and international travel, and our confidence is reinforced by the incredible work the American Airlines team has done throughout this pandemic and continues to do today. We're particularly excited about the future that lies ahead for American and our team. With that, I'll turn it over to Robert.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Doug and good morning, everyone. I want to start by thanking the entire American Airlines team for their efforts to the third quarter and throughout the pandemic. Our airline continues to succeed, thanks to the hard work of our team. As Doug mentioned, this summer represented the largest operational ramp-up in the history of American. As we built back the operation, much like other businesses, we've managed through supply chain constraints, vendor and staffing challenges, constantly changing travel restrictions, and a lot more. Through it all, we operate more flights and carried more customers in any other US Airlines. More than tripling our daily departures from May 2020, which is the low [Indiscernible] of our schedule and we're pleased with where we are. American recorded our most reliable September since the merger, based on completion factor, on-time departures, and on-time arrivals. We'll continue to focus at delivering a safe and reliable operations, and continuing the momentum as we further scale our operation, and welcome back even more customers. I also want to acknowledge the efforts of the American team in third quarter in support of the US Civil Reserve Air Fleet program. It was a tremendous honor for American to aid in the effort to bring more than 5,000 evacuees from Afghanistan to the US, as well as hundreds of members of the US military. That work included working with the Customs and Border Protection to open up the Philadelphia facilities as a welcoming center for foreign nationals. We're grateful to our team members throughout the airline, and from all over the world who came together to support American's craft activation. As we reported this morning, our third quarter total revenue was approximately 9 billion, up 1.5 billion from the second quarter. This improvement was driven by our passenger revenue recovery, which increased by more than 20% sequentially from the second quarter on a 12% increase in available seat miles. Overall, half of the revenue in the third quarter was 72% of what it was in the third quarter of 2019, which is up 13% sequentially in the second quarter. Domestic leisure revenue has now returned to pre-pandemic levels at 98%, 2019 levels in the third quarter. As Doug described, business revenue growth stalled in the quarter and finish flat in the second quarter at around 50% of 2019 levels. Given recent booking trends with a Delta variant in the society and everything we're seeing, hearing from our customers, we're applying for a robust peak travel period with fourth quarter, and we're excited about prospects for 2022 and here's why. We expect the domestic leisure revenues will surpass 2019 levels in the fourth quarter and continue to that trends throughout 2022. Short-haul international revenues should follow that same pattern. Recent trends showed that corporate bookings month-to-date have improved significantly and are accelerating like they were earlier in the year before the Delta variant and associated restrictions were imposed. Our largest corporate customers staff will be returning to work fully to the office and travel as we move out of 2021. Because of that, we continue to expect a full rebound of business revenue to 2019 levels on a monthly basis by the end of 2022. Speaking right away with our top corporate customers, almost all have resumed domestic US business travel to some extent. As companies return to the office and lift travel restrictions, we see continued growth in corporate travel. Industrials, healthcare, and professional services continue to lead that recovery. Long-haul international travel, particularly long-haul business travel, were the first to return to starting to come back. Right now, almost two-thirds of our corporate customers are traveling internationally for at least essential business. We expect international travel to improve significantly with easing of cross-border requirements and are encouraged by the recent views about the US government easing international travel [Indiscernible] and entry restrictions starting in November. Following the White House announcement, we saw an immediate increase in bookings in several of our key international markets. Overnight, we saw a 66% increase in bookings to the UK, a 40% increase to [Indiscernible], and a 74% increase to Brazil. Clearly, there's significant pent up demand for travel to and from the US and many customers are eager to return to travel when it's permitted. Just focusing on the fourth quarter, we expect total revenue will recover to approximately 80%, 2019 levels, up approximately five points sequentially versus the third quarter, with the strongest performance in domestic and short-haul international markets. We continue to make significant strides in building [Indiscernible] global network in the industry and reconnecting with our customers. Our partnerships with JetBlue and Alaska are delivering tremendous benefits for customers and enabling new [Indiscernible] that otherwise wouldn't be possible. When 715,000 customers were able to travel across our networks during the quarter, thanks to these innovative partnerships. Together, American and JetBlue will operate more than 700 daily flights from New York and Boston this winter, including nearly 50 international destinations out of JFK. We also continue to create a seamless experience for our customers, including rolling out Reciprocal Elite benefits for AAdvantage and TrueBlue Mosaic members, and we expect to launch mileage reduction on JetBlue very soon. Our loyalty program continues to demonstrate its attractiveness to our customers and partners. Remember, acquisitions in the third quarter exceeded 2019 levels, despite the airline flying a significantly smaller schedule. As our customers continue to engage with AAdvantage, our co-brand cash payments were essentially fully recovered at 96% in the third quarter versus the same period in 2019. This was up from just 78% in the second quarter on the same basis. We expect this trend to continue as the network returns to a more normalized level. At [Indiscernible] front. During the quarter, American became the first North American airlines to commit to developing a science-based target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 2035. We also agreed to turn to purchase more carbon-neutral, sustainable aviation fuel. American also became an [Indiscernible] partner to breakthrough energy catalyst and we're committed to invest $100 million and a groundbreaking collaborative effort to accelerate the Clean Energy Technologies necessary for achieving a net zero economy by 2050. We're excited about this work and what it will mean for the future of aviation and acceleration and adoption of critical next-generation clean technologies across all industries. So in summary, while the Delta variant has shifted the timeline for the recovery, we remain very bullish on the return of demand and we feel great about how we're positioned thanks to the hard work and dedication of American Airlines team. With that, I'll turn it over to Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Robert. Good morning, everyone. Before I begin my remarks, I would also like to thank the American Airlines team for their hard work during the quarters. Their continued resilience in the face of uncertainty due to the Delta variant is commendable. This morning, we reported the third quarter GAAP net profit of $169 million or $0.25 per diluted share. Excluding net special items, we reported a net loss of $641 million or a loss of $0.99 per share. As Doug mentioned in his remarks, this was our strongest quarter since the pandemic began. As we have discussed in the past, as we always expected, the recovery would be unpredictable and our third quarter results reflect this. Despite the Delta variant related volatility and demand and revenue trends that Robert discussed, our financial performance improved from the second quarter, but fell short of our initial expectations that we outlined in our last earnings call. While the slow down in demand was clearly disappointing, it is important to note that the trajectory of our results continues to be positive. In fact, even with the drop-off in bookings from the Delta variant and rising oil prices, our third quarter pre-tax earnings, excluding net special items improved by nearly 600 million sequentially versus the second quarter. This makes it even clear to us that the steps we are taking over the past 18 months are working. As we have navigated the pandemic, we built back our network in a way that we'd keep our capacity aligned with demand, while giving us the ability to be flexible as conditions change. We've have also worked to keep our controllable costs down, and have action 1.3 billion in permanent annual cost initiatives this year alone. Based on our results, it's clear these actions are paying off, as our third quarter CASM, including fuel and net special items was up just 10.5% versus the same period in 2019, despite flying approximately 20% less capacity. On the fleet side, we moved swiftly to retire older aircraft and accelerate our fleet harmonization project. Our 737 Retrofit program was completed in May, and we continue to expect our A321 aircraft to be complete by early next year, a full year ahead of our original schedule. In addition to the customer benefits of larger overhead bins, in-seat power, and streaming in-flight entertainment, these aircraft will generate more revenue and allow us to connect more customers over our network. They will also provide a unit cost tailwind as we build back our network. With respect to our wide-body aircraft, we continue to work with Boeing to finalize the timing of our delayed 787-8 deliveries, that were expected to arrive in 2021. In the meantime, due to the continued uncertainty in the delivery schedule, we have proactively remove these aircrafts from our winter schedule to minimize potential passenger disruption. I'd also like to note that these delays have had an impact on our fourth quarter CASM since we built the cost structure to fly these aircraft during the fourth quarter. We ended the quarter with approximately 18 billion of total available liquidity, which reflects the 950 million in prepayment of our spare parts term loan made in July, and approximately 649 million of scheduled debt payments made during the quarter. The scheduled debt paydown unencumbered 20 Boeing 777 aircraft. Further, in our unencumbered asset based to 3.8 billion and our first lien capacity to more than 8.4 billion. We look ahead, we feel confident with our -- we have enough liquidity to allow American to navigate the choppiness of the recovery. Because of this choppiness, we will continue to keep liquidity at elevated levels in the near to medium-term, with a plan to step down our target liquidity to approximately 10 to 12 billion at some point next year, when we are confident the recovery has taken hold, and we have returned to sustain profitability. The deleveraging of American's balance sheet remains a priority and we are committed to significant, steady and continuous debt reduction in the years ahead. Even with a slower than expected recovery observed during the third quarter, we remain on track with our target of reducing overall debt levels by $15 billion by the end of 2025. Ten billion of this will be achieved through amortization of debt and its net of new financing. Importantly, these debt reduction targets are based on a plan that assumes future deliveries are financed. Should we elect to use cash in lieu of financing aircraft, that decision would contribute to de-leveraging and further accelerate the timeline to achieve these targets. Of the incremental 5 billion, nearly 1 billion has already been actioned, with a prepayment of the spare parts term low we announced on the last call. As we look ahead, we will continue to focus our efforts on pre-payable debt, which currently represents approximately 30% of our total debt obligations. In addition to deleveraging our balance sheet, this plan will allow us to smooth our near-term maturity towers and free up high-quality collateral. Assuming this level of debt reduction and continued margin improvement, our plan is targeted to result in the best credit metrics in the history of post-merger American by the end of a four-year period. Looking into the fourth quarter, the delay in the return of corporate travel and rising fuel prices will put pressure on our margins relative to the third quarter. We expect our capacity to be down approximately 11% to 13% versus the fourth quarter of 2019. Based on current demand assumptions and capacity plans, we continue to expect the slight sequential increase in our revenues, and expect total revenues to be down approximately 20% versus the fourth quarter of 2019. In total, we expect a pre-tax margin, excluding net special items of between negative 16% and negative 18%. For the full-year our projected debt principal payments are expected to be 4.4 billion. This includes the 750 million payment of spare parts term loan, and the 550 million prepayment of the term loan with US Treasury that was completed earlier this year. We have 612 million scheduled debt principal payments in the fourth quarter. With respect to capital expenditures, we expect full year 2021 CapEx to remain minimal with non-aircraft CapEx at approximately 900 million and net aircraft CapEx, including pre-delivery payments remaining an inflow of 900 million. We are still in the early stages of building our operating plans for 2022, and we'll have more to say on what our capacity and cost outlook will look like on our next earnings call. But at an eye level, based on the demand trends we see today, along with the feedback from our corporate customers, we expect to slowly increase our capacity throughout the year and to have a full year capacity very near 2019 levels. [Indiscernible] is subject to the future demand environment and we will always retain the ability to adapt if demand conditions warrant. Lastly, I know a lot of investors are concerned about inflationary pressure in 2022 and beyond, we'll know more once we finalize our 2022 budget, but we do see pressures in fuel prices, hiring and training for both new hires and existing crews as we ramp up our operations, including on the regional side, where we recently announced the pilot retention program. We are also seeing increased starting wages for certain regional groups, including vendors. Even with these pressures, our fleet simplification strategy enables higher aircraft utilization and higher average gauge, both of which will help offset some of these unit cost pressures. As I said earlier, we will share more specific details on these impacts to our cost structure as our 2022 plan on our next earnings call in January. So in conclusion, our team continues to do an amazing job of managing through the uncertainty, maintaining a strong liquidity position, and driving efficiencies throughout the organization. And we are well-positioned for the future. So with that, I will open up the line for analysts questions.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Jamie Baker with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.
Jamie Baker:
Hey, good morning, everybody. So Doug, I think it was like three or four years ago, you had a slide at our conference. It was entitled, There, They Go Again. It was a list of airline behaviors that you were warning investors to keep an eye out for -- it was a cool slide, actually. So two bullets on that stood out
Doug Parker:
Sure. I'll do it at a high level and [Indiscernible] could chime in with more details if you'd like, Jamie. So, yeah, look, that's not a new hub, as you [Indiscernible] there's all ready a hub there, it's Alaska's, they're our partner and we're simply making net health stronger by having alliance with Alaska, whereby we can do things they can't do or they wouldn't be able to do without investment. That wouldn't make sense. By flying international because we have international aircraft and they can do things that we can't do just be in those flights with their already existing Seattle hub. So it's not a new hub [Indiscernible] to note that hasn't happened since we put that [Indiscernible] .
Vasu Rajar:
Yes, and James. This is Vasu. I'll add to that. Actually, we see Seattle as being really actually consistent with that. [Indiscernible] it's pretty simple that we go create value for customers by being relevant and being relevant, the biggest markets and in a way to go create a legitimate, valuable, and profitable international network, we need to be able to launch flights for international markets. [Indiscernible] historically, in the West Coast, we've had a very, very small presence. Most namely in the Pacific Northwest where we've had almost no presence. With this, which is a very creative deal. What we're doing is we're flying things like Seattle to [Indiscernible] or Seattle to [Indiscernible] all of which feed off of that huge global market that Alaska has cultivated. It draws from the connectivity of the Seattle hub. We've been really encouraged with the results, not just across the West Coast, but really across the system. Alaska Airlines is increasingly emerging as one of, if not our largest codeshare partner. We are seeing a huge customer benefit all up and down the West Coast. Actually, as we look at it, we're creating close to about 300,000 customers are now able to experience AA or Alaska where before they had no competitive option or they had one or two competitive options in the marketplace and the market is responding. We've set records for AAdvantage enrollments, but the two markets where our enrollments are growing the most are all the markets in the West Coast partnership, everything from San Diego, North of Seattle, and the other ones are New York and Boston. So we see as actually to be really consistent in a really effective and wise way to go and develop a level of network comprehensiveness that will be too impossible to do.
Jamie Baker:
Okay. That's really helpful. And then a follow-up, this one, a quick one on fuel, maybe for Robert or Derek. The question I repeatedly receive is why haven't managements adjusted capacity to account for $2.50 jet kero. I know you can't speak for the industry, but for American, is there a certain period of time that you need to be convinced that higher fuel is going to be sustained? Is there too much uncertainty around 2022 revenue to be making capacity decisions today? Just looking for some color on how you would answer the question that I'm getting every day, and I imagine my competitors are as well. Thanks in advance.
Doug Parker:
Jamie, I'll go first, all because you and I have been doing this a long time. When oil price move this quick, it's really hard to have responses of what happened here. It's run up very quickly. We're already selling all the capacities out there. So what I know is, what I believe is and this has been the history of our business, if in the new normal, you will see adjustments, you will see adjustments in capacity, which will result in changes in pricing. This don't happen that quickly. It also takes a while for anyone to come to the conclusion that this is real. But 2014 was a pretty good year in the airline business, and Brent averaged 100 bucks [Indiscernible] . This is, you know it will adapt if this is the new normal. But right now, in the very near-term, it's hard to adapt. Robert?
Robert Isom:
This will come into balance and fuel prices run up very, very quickly. As we take a look of things, there must be an impact on capacity and pricing in the long run.
Jamie Baker:
Got it. Thank you. All three of you, take care.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Jamie.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Connor Cunningham with MKM Partners. Your line is now open.
Connor Cunningham:
Hi everyone. Thanks for the time.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Connor.
Connor Cunningham:
Hi. When listening to Delta and United's call, a huge portion of their script is about premium products and how they think there's a structural change happening. I don't think you guys mentioned much about that. I was wondering if you could just speak to how your different products are performing right now and do you actually agree that there's structural changes happening where leisure travelers are trying to book up more towards premium seats?
Vasu Rajar:
Hey, Connor. This is Vasu. I can start that one and others may chime in. Look, we certainly as most definitely see a change where there are customers who are much more willing to buy premium than before. Indeed, our premium revenue across our domestic system for much of the quarter was actually higher than what it was in 2019, which is pretty promising. But we spend lot of time looking at this. There's a component of it which certainly seems very promising, but still seems early to say whether this thing is structural or not. At least in our own system, we took a lot of [Indiscernible] out of international flight and we deployed them into domestic. We were really encouraged by what we saw, where there are a lot of customers with a lot more disposable incomes who would travel on leisure trip and they would not only pay for the lie-flat product, they pay a premium versus other non-lie products in the marketplace. That's certainly been an encouraging thing. But what we don't know is it's so much of that trip behavior also. It was people leaving on a Thursday coming back on Monday. So we do think that with more disposable income, there will be some interest in the consumer to have more experiences, to pay more for those experiences. What we don't know is how to size the magnitude of it. Because there's a lot of things that certainly speaking for American Airlines that was very unique for the last several months. And we don't yet know how much of a structural change that is, but to the early point of the beauty of the airline and we've -- this pandemic has proved over and over again, is that we can change where the airplanes go very, very quickly. And with that, we can also change the product design pretty quickly too. This is something that we're looking at. It is a similar trend that we're seeing. Time will tell how structural it is though.
Robert Isom:
Thanks Vasu. And to understand, hey, look, we're ready for what we've been preparing for a long time, not just in selling product which Vasu has talked about but the hard products as well. So the fleet is ready from a cabin configuration perspective, whether that's business class cabins or premium [Indiscernible] that we put in [Indiscernible] wide bodies. And then just as we look at travel recovery, in ways to service, you're going to see that we're adding back amenities that will allow us to sell and bundle in different ways. Everything from our 5-star service that this come back to the opening of our flagship lounges, which are our best in the industry. We have a way to sell into service, every customer, every end of the spectrum in terms of demand, so we feel really good about how we're set up to whatever environment that we find ourselves in.
Connor Cunningham:
Appreciate it. And then just on the cost structure, I mean, investors are trying to get comfortable with different stories on the cost side for the airlines, in general. So I mean clearly inflationary pressures, but curious, if you can talk to any of the tailwinds that you might be having that happened in 2022 outside of bringing back capacity to 2019 levels. The reason why I ask is I would've thought given some of the structural changes you had within fleet simplification and so on that 4Q would have had a little bit more leverage to it. So any details would be helpful.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, Connor, in the fourth quarter, I mean, the story and I touched a little bit about here is we built the airlines to fly more in the fourth quarter without a doubt, now two of the issues. One is the Boeing 787-8, which are not here. We had assumed they we're going to be in this schedule. So we have 787 pilots, we have crews ready to fly those aircraft, but we unfortunately had to pull them out of the schedule in the fourth quarter and the first quarter. The other thing from a capacity perspective that we're all dealing with right now is on the regional side. As pilot supportability on the regional side, which will resolve itself over time. But as the mainline is hiring up, a lot of places they go to get pilots is on the regionals, so we're probably not flying as much regional as we would have flown. So I think from a CASM perspective that's what drove it a little bit higher in the fourth-quarter without a doubt versus where we had planned. So we're -- we're not flying exactly what we would have flown and where we already got in the cost structures there. As we go forward, the tailwinds are really, I mean, the $1.3 billion worth of cost reductions is permanent, it's going to be in there. As we look into next year, we haven't done the plan yet, so that's why it's really hard for me to give any kind of guide on a CASM for next year. We do see these inflationary hits to mostly from a salary perspective, a vendor perspective, those kind of things, and fuel as I talked about, that will have to overcome as we look at the plan for next year and we'll do that as we dig through the process. But we'll have the tailwinds, the cost coming out that we did from an efficiency standpoint, and also the number one, getting out of the aircraft types and modifying the aircraft to be the same all across from the Oasis Project will benefit us a lot as we go into 2022.
Doug Parker:
Connor, just because we haven't talked, we didn't spend a lot of time talking about the 1.3 billion [Indiscernible] which is for others who may have [Indiscernible] closely, those are real, they're in the airline. When we look at this as we go back to fly the 2019 schedule today, [Indiscernible] that amount. It's combination and it's a lot of things, but the largest ones are $500 million or so in management, payroll and as Derek said, all the efficiencies you get from [Indiscernible] fleets, training and otherwise. So those are the tailwinds to offset inflationary pressures that's Derek is talking about.
Connor Cunningham:
Okay. Appreciate it.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Connor.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Sheila Kahyaoglu with Jefferies. Your line is now open.
Sheila Kahyaoglu :
Hi. Good morning, and thank you for the time, guys. Maybe if we could talk about the transatlantic market. It begun to open up a little bit more and maybe heading into 2022, but your passenger revenues are still down about 75%. How do you think about the cadence of that recovery?
Robert Isom:
Hey, this is Vasu. I can take that one. We've been really encouraged by what we've seen over the last, let's call it, 3 or 4 weeks, [Indiscernible] international at large, but especially at transatlantic. Certainly, after the regulatory restrictions changed, we saw a big spike in bookings in the 2 or 3 days after it. But what -- which is not that surprising. What's been more encouraging to us is that it really sustained itself. But what we are seeing out there -- what you see from us right now as a little bit of cautious optimism. In November and December, we are absolutely seeing bookings coming in at a greater rate than what we saw in 2019. A lot of that though is pent up demand effect. As we get into next year with every passing week, we see our bookings step up more and more across transatlantic. And so we're really encouraged by that. But the big variable will be when corporate starts to returning back at office and start traveling again for business which we anticipate being more in the Q1 timeframe than in the Q4 timeframe. Follow more so for us where our transatlantic network is really concentrated around London. So we don't anticipate as much of a business recovery in Q4, but we are seeing a really, really mean for leisure recovery. And all the more so as British Airways builds back as connecting schedule, in Heathrow, we anticipated picking an increasing amount of demand as Q4 goes along. So you see that number in aggregate, we see that something is changing a lot from where we are on October to November to January and beyond.
Sheila Kahyaoglu:
Great. Thanks a lot, Vasu.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of David Vernon with Bernstein. Your line is now open.
David Vernon:
Thanks, Operator, and thanks guys for taking the question. Doug and Robert, we sat down a little bit before the pandemic and you had laid out a picture where American had been lagging on some of the customer-facing and information technology stuff that was kind of constraining the operation in ways like not letting you book up to a higher load factor because of the designed boarding practice, the ability to pay for upgrades, dynamic pricing on [Indiscernible] tickets, all that stuff. A lot of it sounded like IT-driven initiatives. And I was wondering coming out of the crisis as we start to look out over the next couple of years, is there still catch-up work you need to do to bring yourself at parity with peers in terms of the way they are monetizing capacity or are you kind of close that gap through this crisis?
Maya Leibman:
Steve. Hi, this is Maya. And I'm proud to say that over the last several years, we really have close the gap on a number of our technology initiatives, including some of the ones that you've [Indiscernible] up like dynamic pricing and allowing subs, higher [Indiscernible] and a lot of standby on safe departure activity. We've really used the pandemic as an opportunity to really identify those gaps and to close them and really focused on a lot of the other things that we've been talking about that we will be tailwinds for next year like our [Indiscernible] partnerships, and making a better customer experience for our customers with our West Coast and Northeast alliances.
David Vernon:
Is there a way to frame what that outlook like be in terms of load factor or sort of ancillary revenue growth, it looks like the other revenue lines performing pretty well. But is there a way to kind of put a number around some of these things?
Vasu Rajar:
Hey, this is Vasu. We're in early stages of doing that as we build next year's plan but probably our top-line initiative is making sure that all of these partnerships are really integrated and seamless for the customer. A lot of the longstanding issues that have existed in co-sharing relationships really get alleviated pretty quickly. And a little bit -- we're pretty pleased with that. We've made a lot of progress with the Alaska and JetBlue, and what we're seeing is very encouraging. To my earlier comments, we're seeing a lot of customers come in and a meaningful amount of revenue production that there too. As we looked at in Q3, it was a massive benefit to customers. We estimated benefit and about a half percentage point of system revenue, but something which is a lot more meaningful to New York and Boston and West Coast network which was operating at 50% historical level. So we think there's a lot of uplift to the whole thing without a lot of investments, further.
David Vernon:
All right. Thanks a lot, guys.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Dan Mckenzie with Seaport Global. Your line is now open.
Dan Mckenzie:
Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. The first question here is just a housekeeping question from a prior question, the Oasis Project. Is that included in the 1.3 billion of structural cost savings or is that above and beyond? And then just related to that, if that had been fully implemented in 2019, how much would that have contributed to pre-tax income?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, it is included. It added more seats in some of the aircraft. And from an operational benefit, it will help out a lot because as we swap the aircraft, they will both be in that. So it is in that because we reduced the aircraft types, but it's included in that number. What it's going to do is benefit number 1, from a CASM perspective because we'll have more seats, and from a revenue perspective because we'll be able to sell more seats.
Dan Mckenzie:
Yeah. Understood. Okay. Second question here. What is the aggregate wallet spend, say a fortune with 1,000 accounts in the Northeast that American can now access for the first time as a result of the Northeast Alliance. So accounts that really where you had no shot at winning, free the relationship with JetBlue versus now, you walk in, you sit down with the corporate travel managers. You can actually put together a competitive network solution and then just related to that potential aggregate spend, what would American's fair share and American JetBlue's fair share be of that?
Vasu Rajar:
Hey, Dan, this is Vasu. Thanks for the question. I appreciate what you're trying to get out of it, which is effectively how much more market can we access than what American could access on it's own. And while -- I don't have specific numbers in some cases, but we got to be a little bit careful in what we share about it. As we see it, in New York historically, we might have been at 25% player, but we were competing for something which was actually like 10% to 15% of the available business travel market at large, not just the corporate market. So in large part because we had a really great product in Heathrow or in the transcom markets, if we couldn't get you very effectively to Toronto, at some point customers, especially larger accounts or power travelers, business top customers, just stop flying us. Now as we see it, we have the best network between AA and JetBlue. We've come from a world where we have four trips a day JFK, San Francisco, one we're we'll have 12, 13, 14 trips a day where all of our transcom product is full flat. We've taken a 50-seat RJ out of New York altogether. So when you think about New York, it's a business travel market which is not 2 or 3 times larger than the next biggest market, but several orders of magnitude more than that and that's all out of the market that we get to compete for and compete where we see a New York who's [Indiscernible] instead of under-performing the system by 10% to 15%, can perform in line with the system.
Robert Isom:
Hey, Dan, I just wanted to go back and just to add one more point regarding the fleet harmonization project, which we're almost done with. We only have I think 60 of the 321s that are remaining and will be completed by the first quarter. Derek mentioned that in the 1.3 billion, so much of the savings in terms of actual commonality and what we can take out in terms of reduction of fleet side is the day of back rate, the airline more efficient. That's included in the 1.3 billion. What's not, though, is we are having seats. So, that has very, very low marginal cost. So growth from a 160 seats on [Indiscernible], and then on an average, adding a few seats to the 321 as well. That's benefits that will be seen in run rates going forward.
Dan Mckenzie:
That actually was my question --
Robert Isom:
From a revenue perspective.
Dan Mckenzie:
Yeah, the incremental revenue that you gave, that was actually my question, was that's what -- that's what I was trying to get at. But thanks for the time you guys.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Dan.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Trent with Citi. Your line is now open.
Stephen Trent:
Good morning, gentlemen, and thanks for taking my question. I just had a quick one on looking at your investment. So you guys committed to invest in Jet Smart and Goal and South America. You of course have this tie-up with JetBlue in the United States. When you think about other international [Indiscernible] . Do you see any opportunities for the similar kinds of tie-ups, for example, outside of the Oneworld Alliance?
Vasu Rajar:
Hey, this is Vasu, Stephen. I can start on that one. Look, ultimately, what we wanted to do is to create the most comprehensive network for our customers and whether it is a codeshare, an investment, the joint venture, whatever it is, we don't see them in ends in themselves. Those are just simply means through which we can create something really comprehensive for our customers. In many parts of the world, we want to be able to do it all just organically with American Airlines [Indiscernible] that's not always possible from regulatory or other reasons. So based on that, we employ different mechanics, whether it is in an investment, a codeshare, a loyalty partnership, until it will change out there. But for us, the [Indiscernible] is creating this comprehensive global network and we see that. Whether it's -- we've seen the benefits of it for consumers in the Northeast and the West Coast. As we look at South America, really it has less to do with investments and more that the one thing we can't do for the South American customer is carry them within South America. So we are always on the lookout for partners that can help us do that and create more value for the customer. How we go in partnerships together is a second order issue.
Stephen Trent:
I appreciate it, Vasu. And just one very quick follow-up. How are you guys thinking longer term about your pipeline of pilots and when you think about retirement in the next 5 to 7 years and what have you?
Robert Isom:
Stephen, I'll take that one. Our profession has never been a better time to get into it. And what I will tell you is we can -- we will attract people to the profession given the kind of starting salaries that we're offering right now. And ultimately, at what pilots top out at. So I do see this ultimately an economic issues that will be solved. You've seen us do some things recently with regional pilots to make sure that they stay in position and progress onto American Airlines and we will continue to monitor that over time, as we saw a few years back, this will be brought into balance simply based on economics. People will want to come into the profession.
Stephen Trent:
Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you for the time.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Chris Delhopeles with Susquehanna. Your line is now open.
Chris Delhopeles:
Thank you and thanks for taking my question. Good morning. So on headcount, how should we think about FTEs in 2022 and if possible 2023? Could you run your network at or above 2019 capacity on fewer FTEs relative to 2019?
Derek Kerr:
Yeah. I think -- I mean, we have taken out a significant amount of headcount out of the Company that's part -- that's mostly what the $1.3 billion of cost reductions, permanent cost reductions are. As Doug alluded to, 500 of that is management headcounts, 600 of it is productivity at the other areas throughout the Company. So yes, we will run -- I don't have a number for the 2022 plan because we haven't put that together yet, but that is the significant portion of what that $1.3 billion worth of permanent cost reductions are, it's mostly in the headcount and the personnel side of things at American Airlines.
Chris Delhopeles:
Okay and the second question on the corporate side. So you mentioned a full recovery by year-end 2022. Just curious with the mix of users is here. I know you mentioned industrial, healthcare and I think one other group, but are your surveys showing a mix similar to pre-pandemic travel or is it shifted and is your outlook contemplating the same type of travel, meaning both in user type and frequency? Thanks.
Vasu Rajar:
This is Vasu and I can help with that. Look, our -- we see you're exactly right. Certain industries and verticals are traveling more than others. We do anticipate there being a rebound across all of them because at this point, all industry verticals are improving. There are just different points in the improvement curve. More critically and more importantly to your question, what we see is that even in sectors where travel is less back, the rate of progress we're seeing is mirroring those sectors where travel is relatively more returned. So we do have some real confidence that indeed corporate travel is likely to come back. As Doug and Robert mentioned earlier in their remarks, there is an immense amount of pent up demand. And we find that once people start to travel, they continue to do so. Very importantly, though, for us and our system, we have a lot of -- a lot of our business style demand is small and medium-sized business, really across the Southeast and the Southwest and we're seeing on a traffic basis, that is very well recovered on the revenue basis. That will start to recover as people come back and have more flights, more frankly.
Robert Isom:
Hey, Vasu. I'll add this, Alison Taylor just held our corporate customer advisory board down in Miami. I was able to attend as well for a part of it, and that brings together our top 50 corporate customers and those that are responsible for procurement of travel at those companies. I'm really pleased to hear just over and over again about, look, we have to get back to the office. Once we get back to the office, travel is going to come. So it's not surprising that the industrials and healthcare pharmaceuticals are leading us right now. They're back in the office. They've got to take care of us and put food on the table. That's happening, what's going to come next is some of the other banking and financial services, entertainment, as those get back into the office in the start of the new year, they're going to come back to just as we're seeing in some of these other sectors.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Chris, it's Doug. Just being around just to support some of what Robert just told you. I talked about how in July we were up to 64% of our 2019 levels in terms of business revenue. There's a big difference between large companies, those that we have on corporate discount programs, and our small and medium business. In that 54%, the large corporates are 35% on a year-to-year basis, and the small and medium businesses at 83%. So [Indiscernible] people that are back at work are traveling. When the large corporates get back to work, they'll travel. It's less about sectors, more about people just getting comfortable, bringing people back to the office. Those companies that don't have large headquarters and large HR departments are out flying because they need to across all sectors. Those companies that are large organizations and need to worry about those things more aren't yet back. They were starting to come back. But they'll get up under the same ranges. That's where business wants to be.
Chris Delhopeles:
Great color. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is now open.
Helane Becker :
Hi, everybody. I hope you are all doing well.
Doug Parker:
We are, Helane. How are you?
Helane Becker :
I'm okay. I guess I'll see you tomorrow night. By the way, congratulations.
Doug Parker:
Oh, thank you.
Helane Becker :
Here's my question really for Derek. Interest expense, I think in the third quarter was $476 million, I want to say. Can you just talk about debt pay down and the cadence of that and how it's going to look over the next couple of years in that context of you're going from 15 billion, I think you've said in the press release, $15 billion of debt paydown by 2025.
Derek Kerr:
Yeah. Well, I can give you what our scheduled debt paydowns are over the next few years. So, we said we're going to pay down $4.4 billion this year. Next year is $2.5 billion, the year after that, I will just say it's around $3 billion to $3.5 billion each year as you go forward. So -- but we will -- but we do plan, just as I talked about on the call, we do plan on financing aircraft in this environment going forward. So the net debt will be a little bit different than that. So the 10 billion will come off, let's just So, call it 2 billion a year over the next 5 years. That will reduce that. What we do on the other 5, we had talked about 1 billion already went at -- in 2021, so we did the paydown of the spare parts loan. We also, because of the recovery, slowed a little bit. We're going to hold on to cash and hold on to cash where we're at today. Once we feel we're comfortable with that, I think we will quickly use the excess cash to pay off most of the remaining 4 billion. It just depends on where our cash balances. It depends on how it will grow over time. But I would expect it to be sooner than later, as long as the recovery happens, business comes back, and the earnings are there to do that. So, the prepayment would be upfront, the debt pay down over time, that $10 billion will be over gradually over time. I don't think we have any big -- huge debt payments. There's a $750 million one in 2022 that we have nothing huge going forward. So I wouldn't look at it that way is pretty ratably the 10 billion over the next four years. Then we would try to attack the other four billion as soon as we feel comfortable and have excess cash that we can take it down to that 10 to 12 billion. We're at 18 today. So we would most likely do it early, or as I said in the comments, we could use cash to pay for aircraft and just not add the debt instead of paying off any pre-payable debt. So that's the plan that we have today.
Helane Becker :
Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you. Then on the 787 I think those were going to be leased in aircraft from [Indiscernible] does the delays changed any of the financing arrangements for those aircraft?
Derek Kerr:
No, it does not change the financing of the aircraft, still leased-in.
Helane Becker :
Okay. Perfect. Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey, good morning. Question for Doug. I thought it was interesting in the prepared comments that more capacity versus peers and more revenue versus peers was called out. Is that the main goal of the Company at this point, more revenue or do relative margins matter? To what extent is profitability a priority for the Board at all? Or does it not even come up in conversations given how high liquidity is? What is the Board trying to solve for?
Doug Parker:
For relative margins, Duane. We feel really good about that. The reason I talked so much about the absolute growth at this point in time is because we're all working to add back capacity and to get to where we can meet the demand [Indiscernible] . I'm really proud of what the team's done to get back more capacity than others, take care of more customers than others, and to do so, obviously safely and efficiently, and to do so in a way that [Indiscernible] pre-operation right now. Of course, that's not the goal of the Company. It's just [Indiscernible], the goal of the Company is to maximize shareholder value over the long term, and the way we'll do that is producing returns and what we feel very good about is our ability as we come out of this to improve our relative margins certainly versus, I think probably versus everybody, as you compare them back to 2019 or other years.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Just a quick housekeeping and I appreciate you taking the questions. Just looking into the fourth quarter, do you expect the operating cash burn to be larger than the 1.7 billion burn in 3Q? I'm not sure if you have the call, but can you speak to the daily cash burn estimate? Are we going to head back to there? Thanks for taking the questions.
Derek Kerr:
We -- go ahead.
Doug Parker:
No, please.
Derek Kerr:
No, were are not heading back there. The fourth quarter is the season -- seasonally, you do burn cash in the fourth quarter.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
I hear you, but I go back through every fourth quarter since you guys merged, and there's no negative operating cash burn. Understand revenue is depressed, fuel's a little bit higher, but operating cash flow is typically positive in the fourth quarter.
Doug Parker:
Operating cash flow, but the seasonality does in profitable years has cash declining [Indiscernible] that operational cash flow will track with the earnings estimate that Derek gave.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thank you for taking the questions.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Duane.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Didora with Bank of America. Your line is now open.
Andrew Didora:
Hi, good morning, everyone. So as American keeps ramping up capacity and maybe a little bit -- little bit quicker than your network peers and with your vaccine mandate upcoming, just curious, are you planning your network or staffing any differently into peak holiday season? How do you think about the operational risks around that?
Robert Isom:
Hey, Andrew, it's Robert. We're getting ready for the holiday season. We expect a lot of passengers. Tremendous pent up demand, especially as vaccinations take hold and infection rates decline and we're going to be ready. We have to get ready for the holidays always. This year, we're doing our best to make sure that we have right people in the right places at the right time. That's the effort and we're taking the appropriate precautions where necessary, but we're flying a full schedule as we go into the holidays and looking forward to it.
Vasu Rajar:
Hey, Andrew. This is Vasu. One important thing to note is to clarify on your question also, the absolute ASM production of American Airlines in any month in the queue in the fourth quarter is actually less than the absolute ASMs that we're producing in July. Right, so we're very much -- from where we have been being able to go and get the big pools of demand as that have been out there at geographies that are really favorable to us has really worked out but as things shaped up. We are very much managing the [Indiscernible] profitability of the airline. Just to clarify so that gets lost in the year-over-year versus 2019 comparisons.
Andrew Didora:
That's a fair point. Thank you. Then just second, maybe to ask the fuel question a little bit differently. I think I know the answer to this, but over the past year, year plus, did you ever consider introducing a hedging policy and do you think that this is an option you could rethink going forward? Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Yeah. Andrew, [Indiscernible] we've been quite happy being unhedged now for however many years.
Derek Kerr:
[Indiscernible]
Doug Parker:
I'm sorry, what?
Derek Kerr:
2008.
Doug Parker:
2008 We stopped hedging and that feels right to us. What we find is -- what I said is over time the industry adjusts, and what generally happens is we end up paying a premium for the hedge without much benefit at all. So, I don't want to say we won't ever do it, but it's not something we began to look at [Indiscernible] We prefer actually, we think we have a regional economic hedge in terms of what happens with fuel prices and the economy as well. So obviously, we've come together and have us tell you not right now.
Andrew Didora:
Got it. Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.
Mike Linenberg:
Good morning, everyone. Derek, you talked about the delayed 787 is providing or creating a bit of a CASM headwind in the fourth quarter. Can you just remind us how many airplanes -- how many incremental 787s were you supposed to have in 4Q and how many percentage points of headwind is that just roughly?
Derek Kerr:
Well, it depends on when we were taking. But earlier, we were supposed to have all 13 in 2021. That schedule has changed weekly. If you go back to last quarter, we probably had 6 of them built into the schedule. It probably a point of ASMs that we had to take out of the schedule. That's really what's driving a lot of this. Then as I said, the regional, we went ahead and pull-down in ASMs from a regional perspective, just a pilot supportability, which we will -- which we're getting all under control right now. But both of those have caused a reduction in ASMs that we would have flown in the fourth quarter, primarily driven by the 788s.
Mike Linenberg:
Okay. Then just my second question, and this is either Doug or Robert. Can you be willing to share with us where you stand on vaccinations across your employee work group? Then just any thoughts on the testing, which it seems like every carrier is going to have exemption issues and they're going to have to test and we're hearing that costs are high, they're not, you don't have guidance from the government. Is it a meaningful cost headwind that we have to worry about or? Anything that you can share on that topic would be great. Thanks.
Robert Isom:
Hey, I'll start. It's Robert. Look, the vast majority of our team members are vaccinated, and we're working through the process. We set a November 24th deadline for vaccination or accommodation request to be provided. We don't expect anybody to leave American Airlines. Certainly, they're going to be out there helping us during the holiday. So no issues there. We don't know what exactly in -- a combination would look like for the minimal number of people that actually apply for that. But it's likely to be some combination of masking self-declaration and testing. And that testing, we don't, we don't know the details of. We're working through that. As time goes on, we'll be able to fill you in.
Doug Parker:
Yes. Thanks, Robert and Mike. I certainly wouldn't be [Indiscernible] costs in your forecast. So to the extent there will be testing going on, it will be for those who have chose they still have to be vaccinated [Indiscernible] religious or medical exemption that we are accommodating while there's still work. I don't suspect that'll be an extremely high percentage of the employees. I don't have [Indiscernible] that that's a material costs to test those individuals, [Indiscernible] standards once a week. I don't know where on that, we're working through the accommodation process with our unions, but yeah, [Indiscernible] issue I would do everything I could to try and let you don't have to worry about that piece. As to the -- again, just to follow-up, just to reinforce what Robert said. I think it was part a little bit of Andrew's questions. Certainly when this was first announced, I think there were concerns about what was going to mean for airlines to TSA and others. [Indiscernible] extremely comfortable with that. That was accurate to see yesterday the comments from the White House from [Indiscernible] and about how the goal of this is to get everybody vaccinated not to punish anyone and they're going to have people [Indiscernible] really just for medical exemptions, they'll be accommodated [Indiscernible] hear from all the airlines, we're all well-prepared to meet all federal mandates and meet all the customers that are coming to [Indiscernible] .
Mike Linenberg:
Very good. Thanks, guys.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Mike.
Operator:
Thank you. We will now take questions from the media. [Operator Instructions] Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Alison Sider with Wall Street Journal. Your line is now open.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Ali.
Alison Sider :
Hi. I have a vaccine question. Just curious -- I know you talked a lot about the exceptions, but what sort of planning or strategizing you guys might be doing if it does end up being some portion of the workforce that just doesn't get vaccinated or has to be terminated or something like that. Is there a kind of a plan B or a backup plan for how you'd handle that?
Doug Parker:
Well, again, first off, we'll with what we know, we know which is again the vast majority of our employees are vaccinated, and we're seeing that rise every day as the mandates were put in place. So we're highly confident by the time we get to November [Indiscernible] when the demand comes in place that we're going to be down to a very small number of people if any that are either not vaccinated or don't have a valid medical or religious exemption. So I understand your -- I understand your question is whether or not that's true. But I -- first off, I don't think that's going to be the case and we know that based on the [Indiscernible] . But however -- again -- so that's why I think the answer is -- but even in the case that that happens, we'll continue to work with those employees that have, that have chosen to get to that point. Again, I think it's going to be a really small number. But whatever that number is, we'll continue to work to accommodate those employees and make sure that they continue -- they -- that are -- that we're working together. Again, as Jeff Sine suggested they'd be doing with government employees, we'll be doing the same with ours. We have flexibility, but I don't think we're going to need that.
Robert Isom:
Okay. I'll just add. We're working with the team and we're working with our labor unions as well to get everybody vaccinated right now. So you see that we continue to provide incentives for team members to get vaccinated turn in records of their cards. We're working with the entire team to collect that information, as we speak. Fortunately, every day, we see good signs that word is getting out and people are turning in vaccination status or accommodation request. As Doug said, we're really confident that we'll be in great shape as we come into the holidays.
Alison Sider :
Got it. I mean, your pilots have been saying that that will serve the whole debate and controversy is becoming a distraction and leading to some potential safety issues. Are you seeing that in your data at all?
Robert Isom:
Look, we have an obligation to make sure that we're focused on flying. So any type of distraction, whether its vaccine or anything else, we want to jump on. To that end, we're -- again, we're working closely with our labor units to make sure that we're on top of anything that is potentially a safety concern. But we're [Indiscernible] schedule of flying very well and flying it incredibly safely. We set very, very high standards, not just for the industry, but especially for American Airlines.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Leslie Josephs with CNBC. Your line is now open.
Leslie Josephs :
Hi everyone. I'm just trying to square this idea that you don't expect any employees to leave American Airlines, but this week you told them again that they could be terminated if they don't comply with the mandate, either getting vaccinated or the exemptions? Then, how come the exemption -- the mandate doesn't apply to your wholly-owned subsidiaries [Indiscernible] government contracts?
Robert Isom:
Thank you, Leslie. I just start, first off, we have an executive order and so there's not a lot of debate or argument. We're trying to find best ways to comply. So all our efforts are making sure that our team members get vaccinated. To that end, as we've said, we're seeing the kind of results that we want. We have no desires to see anybody leave American and through getting vaccinated, which we're making very available and easy for folks to get done. Or those -- the small numbers that apply for accommodations, we will continue to work with people to encourage them to make sure that they take care of themselves. We're working cooperatively with our labor unions as well, and we have different agreements that we have to follow in accordance with our collective [Indiscernible] agreements to make sure that we're doing everything possible to make sure that people stay with American and we're looking through that and we're committed to take care of our team.
Doug Parker:
Again, just a distinction. I think Leslie, between where early on in this process there was concern about not having enough people and where you're seeing everyone get now is, there was -- I think there was a period that that was at least somehow [Indiscernible] those who could not get vaccinated or chose to not get vaccinated, would be on unpaid leave or something like that [Indiscernible] that's what give us the comfort, we do know there will be some people on American Airlines who have a reason they can't get vaccinated, they will have exemptions. But if we have exemptions, we're going to work to accommodate them. They also can do their jobs and that's that I think if anything between a few weeks ago to now where you're hearing extreme comfort around our ability to deliver versus where we might have been when we first heard this. That's the distinction, and the exact same distinction. By the way as I said, that we heard yesterday from the administration about TSA and other agencies. That's what gives us a comfort. That's why we think we're not going to see anyone leaving American -- it's not like anyone's going to want to leave American because they can't get -- because either they just -- they choose not to get vaccinated or they don't have a religious or medical exemption. On the -- on our subsidiaries, just like every other airline, the regional carriers are not subject to the mandate. They'll -- they have to work through that themselves to see whether or not they deem themselves federal contractors. But to the extent they're not, they're not subject to the mandate. They will be subject to the OSHA requirement when it's effective for airline -- for companies that have 100 or more employees. At that point, they will need to respond accordingly. But there isn't. I certainly don't think, between American, Delta, United, none of the regional carriers than any of us use are working toward a vaccine mandate this way because they have concluded they don't have -- they're not covered by the mandate.
Leslie Josephs :
Okay. Then for the exemption, do you expect to approve all of them?
Doug Parker:
No, of course not, don't worry, no. Again, what I believe is -- what I really believe [Indiscernible] is going to be a small percent of the workforce. At most everyone will get vaccinated. But certainly there are always medical exemptions and to the extent people have valid medical exceptions, we're not going to put them on an unpaid leave and we going to make accommodations for them as we should sort of [Indiscernible] and for those that don't receive approval for those exemptions, we fully expect them to get vaccinated.
Leslie Josephs :
Got it. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Leslie.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of David Koenig with Associated Press. Your line is now open.
Doug Parker:
Hey, David.
David Koenig:
Hi. Good morning. Good morning, Doug. I have two follow-up questions, but I'll try and be quick. First, sticking with the vaccination theme, United and Delta have put numbers out there, and why can't you tell us how many or what percentage of your employees are vaccinated? Secondly, and this goes back to something that came up a couple of times on the analyst section about flying a fourth quarter schedule that's pretty close to 2019 levels and how you're going to do that with your current headcount. Why shouldn't passengers expect to see the same kind of disruptions that you had over the summer?
Robert Isom:
Look, David, I'll take that. Look, we have done a tremendous job of making sure that we're set to fire our schedules. As we said in our comments, we flew most reliable September in our Company's history and that's the kind of performance that you can expect from American going forward. We did a tremendous ramp up to get to where we were during the summer. By the way as Vasu mentioned in some of his comments, the schedule we're going to fly around the holidays is actually larger than what we had flown during the summer. All we've done since that time, has been able to add more resource to make sure our partners are better positioned and that we're better equipped to handle whatever may come our way. So we feel really confident on that point. In regard to --
Derek Kerr:
And I would add to that Robert.
Robert Isom:
Okay.
Derek Kerr:
David, hi. This is Derek, the hiring we're doing now is for the summer of next year. So we're very confident having enough resources to run Thanksgiving and Christmas. We already have those people onboard.
Doug Parker:
He's asking in the next year, though.
Derek Kerr:
Yeah.
Doug Parker:
[Indiscernible] the structure we had at the end of June was purely us just not having as many parts for the train processes as we'd expected. We've rectified that issue, and we're going to make sure that we have -- as we expand, that we have the right number employees. That's not an issue at all. To answer your first question, yeah, I guess [Indiscernible] have released their numbers. Our number is still moving every day as more and more people are getting vaccinated. [Indiscernible] one of them put in place on a unilateral mandate for their teams so that -- if they're through with that. The other one put in place requirement. But if you are not vaccinated, you're going to pay more for your medical benefits. It's already in place. But I don't think any other airlines have talked about exactly where they are and probably for the same reasons, we haven't because we had a voluntary program in place, and now we have a mandate in place, and that number continues to grow. What we know is, by the time we get to November 24th, we're going to be where the others are, which is virtually everyone vaccinated. Those that aren't, will have valid medical or religious exemption because we'll be flying our airline, taking care of our customers.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dawn Gilbertson with USA TODAY. Your line is now open.
Dawn Gilbertson :
Hi. Good morning. Of course another vaccine mandate, holiday travel question. Specifically, Scott Kirby, which you no doubt aware of, yesterday had some pretty strong comments predicting a holiday travel meltdown for everyone, of course, but United. But I wondered, he's saying, even if, say you do have to go to testing for some of these people that he said, if there's a weather melt, if you think of weather meltdown is something where do you see as these people tests positive last minute and a slurry of last-minute flight cancellations, so ensure he is predicting, [Indiscernible] beware for people. How do you specifically respond to that? My second question is, who is approving these exemptions? Is that just the Company or is -- does the government play a role in that too? Thank you very much for any color.
Doug Parker:
Yes, Dawn. Again I [Indiscernible] discuss comments, but anyway, [Indiscernible] if that's what he says. It's not right, of course [Indiscernible] you know, we'll be well prepared for all the reason you [Indiscernible] . I'm highly confident that we are going to [Indiscernible] schedule and whatever the accommodation process is I expect, again, for a large percentage of the airline and certainly won't be process that will be cumbersome on the operation. So, we're still working with the accommodation process will be with our unions and there'll be some combinations of testing, and masks, and social distancing and things like that as it should be, had to make sure everyone is safe. But we do need to accommodate those who have valid medical order [Indiscernible] to exemptions. Again, I go back to at least the OSHA requirement is weekly testing. So I'm not saying it's where we'll end up, but I don't -- it's not going to certainly [Indiscernible] operational impact we anticipate having all the people [Indiscernible] when it first came out because we didn't have this kind of direction. We are not remotely concerned now. As to who approves the exemptions, I think that's the employer's duty to improve the exemptions.
Robert Isom:
In fact, we already have a process in place and have to deal with accommodation requests already.
Doug Parker:
[Indiscernible] because of visibility. I'm sorry. Robert, go ahead.
Robert Isom:
Yeah, that's it.
Doug Parker:
It's the same process, it's just bigger now.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Thank you very much.
Doug Parker:
Please go on.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Justin Bachman with Bloomberg. Your line is now open.
Justin Bachman:
Thanks for the time today. I wanted to ask about the DOJ lawsuit regarding your relationship with JetBlue in the Northeast. Are there any discussions going on with the government about that lawsuit in terms of any type of concessions or changes to that agreement or is this a case where it's kind of all or nothing in your view?
Doug Parker:
That's what we [Indiscernible], we're going to on [Indiscernible] This is highly beneficial to consumers, and we're perplexed as to why they file this lawsuit and [Indiscernible]
Justin Bachman:
Doug, did you say the discussions were ongoing at the time and they still are they're not going up?
Doug Parker:
[Indiscernible] they're not going up. [Indiscernible] are talking to lawyers. I don't know anything like that. But I can tell you for certain, the Company is not interested in sort of talks about settling this. We feel extremely good about our case. It gets better every day as we continue to expand and provide more service to customers.
Justin Bachman:
Great. Thank you.
Operator:
Our final question comes from the line of Kyle Arnold with Dallas Morning News. Your line is now open.
Kyle Arnold:
Hey. How are you adjusting your staffing levels at the same levels that you had done in previous years when you look forward to the holiday season? I know some other airlines have said that they essentially have to put more workers on the line and have more workers out there as they come out of this pandemic. How are you approaching staffing over the next couple of months?
Robert Isom:
I'll take that. We're going in for holidays just as we always do. We've done a remarkable job. I want to give a shout out to our team. You know, American Airlines in terms of real reliability, arriving on time and in completion factor, we're not at the top of the industry, but I'll tell you what we're beating our other network competitors. They're doing a real nice job of managing through the pandemic. So really pleased with that and that kind of attitude goes into how we look forward to the holidays. We'll be ready for and make sure that we have staff in place and make sure that customers have a very nice experience.
Kyle Arnold:
But you're not adding extra staff or adjusting staffing levels upward?
Robert Isom:
Just specific [Indiscernible] issue, you have to get ready for things like [Indiscernible], weight-finding in the airports, managing security, TSA security lines, load factors will be hire. So we always have a provision to make sure that we have staffing at the gates to accommodate. As Derek mentioned as well, we're doing hiring throughout the business, and that includes places like our reservations offices as well. All that is being bolstered from where we are today. Again, those kind of things that we would've done in the past we'll be ready for, and looking forward to the holidays.
Kyle Arnold:
Thanks, Robert.
Operator:
This concludes today's question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call back to Mr. Doug Parker for closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
Thank you very much. We appreciate your interest. Any other question, please let Investor Relations or [Indiscernible] communications know. Thanks for your time.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Good morning, and welcome to the American Airlines Group Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s call is being recorded. At this time, all participants’ lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And now I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Dan Cravens:
Thanks, Jerome, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group second quarter 2021 earnings conference call. On the call this morning, we have Doug Parker, Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, Chief Financial Officer. Also on the call for Q&A session are several of our senior executives, including Maya Leibman, Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; Vasu Raja, Chief Revenue Officer; Elise Eberwein, Chief People & Communications Officer; Alison Taylor, Chief Customer Officer; and Devon May, our Senior VP of Finance. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our quarter and update to the actions we’ve taken during the pandemic and through the recovery. Robert will then follow with some remarks about our operations, commercial and other strategic initiatives. After Robert’s remarks, Derek will follow with details on the quarter and our operating plans going forward. After Derek’s comments, we’ll open the call for analyst questions, and lastly, questions from the media. As a reminder, to get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin, we must state that today’s call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecast, capacity, fleet plans and liquidity. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2021. In addition, we’ll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financials is included in the earnings release, and that can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on the website, and the information that we’re giving you on the call is as of today’s date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thanks again for joining us. At this point, I’d like to turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Dan. Good morning, everybody, and thanks for joining us. This morning, American reported a second quarter net profit of $19 million. Excluding net special items, it was a net loss of $1.1 billion. This loss, while large, is the smallest we've had since the start of the pandemic as demand for air travel has improved significantly throughout the quarter. Our revenues in the quarter were 87% higher than they were just last quarter. At the beginning of this year, we outlined our Green Flag plan, a set of initiatives that we have focused on to reset the airline and make American stronger as we come out of the crisis. As a reminder, this work focused on four key objectives
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. First, I want to acknowledge the tremendous efforts and resilience with the American Airlines team, but we're still in the early stages of the rebound, we feel really good about the result – the progress that we've made to build back our business differently and the results it's producing. This progress was only possible because of the outstanding work of our team. This quarter, we rebuilt the operations up from pandemic-level flying, effectively adding an airline the size of the old U.S. Airways over the course of just a few months. We were able to fortify our staffing by completing all the required recall pilot training, bringing back more than 3,000 team members from leaves with thousands more flight attendants returning from leaves this fall and hiring nearly 3,500 new team members throughout the operation. We also plan to hire 350 pilots this year and more than 1,000 pilots and 800 flight attendants next year. As Doug noted, in the second quarter, we operated more than two-and-a-half times the number of flights we operated over the same period last year. We had a second quarter completion factor of 98.6% and an on-time arrival rate of 82.1%. That represents our best-ever performance for those two metrics in the second quarter, and the momentum has continued into July. Demand for our product remains strong and we're very encouraged by the trends we're seeing in the revenue environment. The recovery is happening. Our second quarter passenger revenue more than doubled sequentially to $6.5 billion as demand surged. On a unit revenue basis, our second quarter PRASM was up 42% sequentially from the first quarter and a 44% sequential increase in capacity. Despite the industry-wide increase in service, this marks the fourth quarter in a row that we've outperformed our peers on a passenger revenue unit basis. Our net bookings have recovered and are fully recovered, and we're focused on yield managing demand while bringing back the network in full. We've seen no degradation in bookings related to the recent uptick in COVID infection rates. Leisure demand continues to outperform, and in many areas, it has surpassed 2019 levels. Even more encouraging, as vaccinations have increased, business travel has started to return in a meaningful way. Domestic business revenue has – was approximately 20% of 2019 levels in March, but it more than doubled to approximately 45% in June with revenue from small and medium-sized businesses recovering at a faster pace than large corporate accounts. Looking forward, we expect business recovery to continue and accelerate. In the coming months, our share of bookings in key business channels remains ahead of 2019. And customers are telling us that they're eager to travel and some of our largest corporate accounts have already lifted all travel restrictions and many have already returned to the office. Critically, the majority have shared their expectation for travel to pick up moving into the fall. We now expect a full business travel recovery in 2022. All of this is great news. And the American team is ready and excited to welcome back our corporate customers. We still expect the international travel, particularly long-haul international travel to be slower to fully return. The reality is many countries have not rolled out vaccines as quickly in the U.S., so travel restrictions and quarantine requirements are still in place in many locations. Whenever restrictions are lifted, we see a quick and dramatic increase in bookings, demonstrating that there is significant pent-up demand for international travel. For example, demand for travel to Europe has increased considerably in recent weeks with the reopening of EU. And our book load factor across the Atlantic is approximately 35 points ahead of the same time last quarter and it continues to strengthen. We're committed to building the best and most convenient global network for our customers as they return to this path. This includes making improvements in our key hubs, bolstering our partnerships, growing the AAdvantage program, harmonizing our fleet for consistent customer experience and reopening our clubs and lounges. We continue to invest in our hubs to improve the experience for our customers. At DFW, we recently opened four new gates, which will allow us to continue to grow organically in our largest and most profitable hub. And we expect to file a larger domestic network at DFW this August than we did in August of 2019. In Charlotte, we opened four new gates just prior to the pandemic, but we expect to open three additional gates before the end of this year. These gates will allow us to grow efficiently in our East Coast connecting hub as customers return to travel. And at DCA, we have officially opened a new regional concourse, which offers a significantly improved experience for our customers, including an all dual-class regional operations. Importantly, it also allows us to up-gauge the hub to larger aircraft overall. We continue to develop partnerships that bolster our network and improve the customer journey. There's no better example of this than our partnerships with Alaska on the West Coast and JetBlue in the Northeast. Those partnerships are already delivering benefits, giving customers more choice and driving revenue in 2 very competitive markets. American is happy we now offer a leading network in New York and Boston, making it easier for customers, particularly corporate customers to return to travel. Our Northeast alliance has enabled us to start new service between New York and Tel Aviv, Athens, Santiago and Colombia, and we now have daily service slated to start this winter. Our domestic partnerships complement an already broad set of relationships American has around the globe. We have new exciting developments on the horizon, and all these international partnerships will really start to take off as more travel restrictions are lifted. We continue to focus on growing the AAdvantage program. Our total number of transacting members is the highest since the start of the pandemic and up 50% year-over-year. We've also seen a strong co-brand acquisition growth, which has more than doubled since the first quarter and has climbed back to over 80% of 2019 levels. We're focused on expanding the program itself, growing the membership base and making advantage of the centerpiece of our partnership going forward. Our fleet harmonization program continues, which not only delivers a consistent customer experience, but improves reliability throughout the operation and gives us a more efficient fleet. It also enhances the revenue generating capabilities of the aircraft, while giving us a unique cost tailwind. Our 737s are now complete, and we've completed the interior work on dozens of A321s in the second quarter. We now have just over 100 aircraft left before A321 have a standard onboard product by early next year. Now that our 737 fleet is fully harmonized, our customers will have industry-leading Wi-Fi, power in every seat and larger overhead bids. In total, we're now flying more than 350 narrow-body aircraft with new consistent interiors. Most importantly, the customers' feedback on these aircraft has been exceptional. Additionally, one of the things we know is that lounge space greatly enhances the customer journey. We've reopened 37 Admirals Club lounges in 25 locations, and all of them will reopen by the end of August. Our Flagship Lounge locations will start reopening this fall as premium and corporate traffic returns in the second half of 2021. Lastly, we continue to make investments to ensure that we're running a more sustainable airline. In the second quarter, we announced an investment in Vertical Aerospace to develop electric and vertical takeoff and landing aircraft, doubling down on our focus on emerging technologies to reduce carbon emissions and infecting in innovative ways that could improve the customer journey. The last week, we've committed to develop a science based target for reducing our greenhouse gas emissions by 2035, supporting American's existing commitment to reach net-zero emissions by 2050. We also agreed to terms to purchase up to 10 million gallons of carbon neutral, sustainable aviation fuel. We're committed to reducing our carbon footprint and mitigating our most significant climate related risks, so investors should expect to see more developments like these in the future. In closing, as more customers return to flying, we're taking action to strengthen and re-imagine our business. This work, coupled with the continued efforts of the American Airlines team will have us well-positioned for the post-pandemic world. Now I'll turn it over to Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Robert, and good morning, everyone. Before I begin my remarks, I want to echo Doug and Robert's comments and thank our team members for their hard work over the past quarter. We've significantly grown our airline since the first quarter, and the process of bringing the world's largest airline back online was not an easy task, but our team made it happen. This morning, we reported a second quarter GAAP net profit of $19 million or $0.03 per diluted share. Excluding net special credits, we reported a net loss of $1.1 billion or $1.69 loss per share. With the rapid return of demand that Robert discussed, our financial performance has continued to improve. This trend started in March when we began to see a significant acceleration in demand that continued throughout the second quarter and drove net bookings to 2019 levels. This improvement in demand led to an 87% sequential increase in total revenue versus the first quarter. Even more encouraging is that we were able to capture this additional revenue while remaining focused on our cost and efficiency initiatives. As we have articulated in the past, our goal throughout the pandemic was to prudently keep our capacity aligned with demand while being flexible enough to adapt as needed. We've done just that and moved swiftly to lower our cost structure and drive efficiencies throughout the organization with more than $1.3 billion of permanent cost reductions. This includes $500 million in management headcount reductions, $600 million in labor productivity initiatives, and $200 million in other efficiencies. Based on our results, it's clear these actions are beginning to pay off as our second quarter CASM, excluding fuel, net special items of $0.1261, was up just 11% versus the same period in 2019 despite flying 25% less capacity. Looking at this from another angle, despite a 44% sequential increase in total capacity, our second quarter total operating expense, excluding fuel and net special items, increased by only 11% versus the first quarter of 2021. In addition to our improved financial results, we also saw improvements in our cash position and liquidity. For the first time since the pandemic began, we produced quarterly positive cash build in the second quarter of $1 million per day. While $1 million per day doesn't sound as much, we've come a long way from our peak cash burn of approximately $100 million per day early in the pandemic. As a reminder, our definition of cash build includes approximately $12 million per day of regular debt principal and cash severance payments. As a result, we ended the quarter with approximately $21.3 billion of total available liquidity, which was higher than our original forecast due to the increase in revenues and forward bookings during the quarter. As we look ahead, we feel confident that our record level of available liquidity is more than enough to allow American to navigate the recovery. In the near-term, we plan to keep liquidity at elevated levels, but expect to step down our target liquidity to approximately $10 billion to $12 billion at some point in 2022. We will continually assess this liquidity target as we make further progress in the recovery, the company returns to sustained profitability, we reduce our net debt levels and we increase our unencumbered asset base. As we have said previously, all liquidity in excess of these targets will be applied to accelerating our deleveraging plans for the foreseeable future. As we discussed on our last call, American will pay down $8 billion to $10 billion of debt by the end of 2025 through amortization of our existing debt in excess of any additional debt we expect to incur. However, because of that debt -- because of the debt we needed to take on during the pandemic, our plan is to accelerate the reduction of debt beyond that natural deleveraging that will occur. We now forecast reducing our debt levels by more than $15 billion by the end of 2025 by using excess cash and free cash flow to pay down pre-payable debt, even though most of it is efficiently priced and by not adding to our debt levels by potentially using cash instead of debt for some future aircraft deliveries. This reduction in debt level will be facilitated by the relatively low capital expenditure profile we have had over the -- we will have over the next several years because our fleet modernization program is now behind us. In addition to deleveraging our balance sheet, this will allow us to smooth our near-term maturity towers and free up high-quality collateral. With this level of debt reduction and continued margin improvement, our plan is to achieve the best credit metrics in the history of post-merger American by the end of that 4-year period, if not sooner. As evidence of our commitment to delever and our confidence in the future, this morning, we prepaid the entirety of our $950 million spare parts term loan that was scheduled to mature in April 2023. This note had a coupon rate of only LIBOR plus 200, but prepaying it sets the stage for future optimization of our unencumbered collateral pool. The prepayment also results in an improvement of our first lien capacity from $7.5 billion to $8.4 billion. The $950 million prepaid today is in addition to $985 million of debt amortization and prepayments that we made during the second quarter. During the third quarter, we will also free up 20 Boeing 777 aircraft that will be released out of the 2013-2 and 2013-1WTC transactions, further improving our unencumbered asset base. The deleveraging of American's balance sheet has begun, and we are committed to significant steady and continuous debt reduction over the years ahead. Looking to the third quarter, we expect our capacity to be down approximately 15% to 20% versus the third quarter of 2019. Based on current demand assumptions and capacity plans, we expect another significant sequential increase in our revenue and expect total revenue to be down approximately 20% versus the third quarter of 2019. In total, we expect a pretax margin, excluding net special items, of between negative 3% and 7%. For the full year, we project debt principal payments are expected to be $2.8 billion, excluding the repayment of our revolving credit facilities that we completed earlier this year. With respect to capital expenditures, we continue to expect full year 2021 CapEx to remain minimal. Non-aircraft CapEx remains at approximately $900 million and net aircraft CapEx, including PDPs, remains an inflow of $1 billion. Lastly, at this stage of the recovery, we no longer feel that daily cash metrics are constructive in understanding the underlying performance of the business. As such, we will return to guiding to our standard operating and financial metrics as outlined in our investor update that we issued this morning. So in conclusion, we continue to feel good about the improving demand and revenue environment. Our team has done an amazing job of managing our liquidity and driving efficiencies throughout the organization, and we are very well positioned for the future. With that, we'll open the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Catherine O'Brien:
Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for the time.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Catherine.
Catherine O'Brien:
Hey. So first question on the deleveraging plan. For your plan to prepay, I guess, it's $5 billion to $7 billion through 2025 on top of that $8 billion to $10 billion in scheduled amortization. Can you just help us think – can you tell us about the pacing of that prepayment? Of course, assuming it will be tied to free cash flow ramp other – for profitability metrics. Do you see the gating factor or other capital allocation requirements we should be thinking about that might influence that pace? And then I guess maybe like a quick secondary question on the back of that also, could it actually be more front-end loaded as you step down your minimum liquidity next year? Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Yeah. Thanks, Catherine. Yeah, it's all going to depend on that as you just said at the end. It's - as we step down our cash requirements, we will use the cash to pay off the debt. So the way we're looking at it is if we can – we're at 2021 now, we just paid down $1 billion in 2020. We'll take that down to $10 billion to $12 billion sometime in 2022. So when we do step it down, we will use all of that excess cash to pay off of the debt. We have a significant amount of debt that is pre-payable. A lot of that is efficient debt, but we still believe it's the right move to do. So I do think it will be front loaded. As we look at the amortization today, it's pretty even throughout the four years as we look at it. There is more out in probably 2023, 2024 because the AAdvantage loan does start to amortize out in those years. So that adds to the amortization. But I do believe, as we step down from where we're at today to the $10 billion to $12 billion, and then if we do step down again over time, that all of that cash will go to debt. So I would believe that it would be more front-end loaded as we think about it.
Catherine O'Brien:
Okay. That's great. Thanks. And then a question just maybe on the codeshare agreements. As codeshare demand is starting -- excuse me, corporate demand is starting to rebound here, obviously, still in early innings. But can you just talk about how adding a new JetBlue codeshare or to enhance the last codeshare has influenced your discussions going forward, either with corporate accounts where you might have overlap, or in regions where your partners have had a stronger presence than you have had historically? Thanks.
Vasu Raja:
Yeah. Hey, Catie, this is Vasu. I can handle that. We are really encouraged, both with the progress and the results that we've seen from both of our domestic partnerships, even though it's really only been -- the better part is six to eight weeks where elapse has been up and running and really three or four weeks, where the JetBlue codeshare has been up and running. But very much the design of this partnership is to go shore up on two parts where -- of the domestic system where our network was structurally weaker. One is the West Coast and the other is the Northeast, both of which are the largest originating market for business travel, for corporate travel, for small mid-market travel, however, it might otherwise be. And so we've had a really encouraging response from corporate customers. We continue to have one. There’s a lot of integration work that must be done still, and that's a major focus of us. But we're encouraged by what we see in both cases. First, in the case of Alaska. Again, while the results are early, the key indicators, when we put it together, was to ensure, one, more long-haul -- a successful long-haul franchise off the West Coast; two, a better network for the West Coast originating customer, again, that's a business customer; but three, more utility for all of our customers who are in the Midwest and the Southeast and are looking to go West. And though we haven't seen long-haul emerge just because of the trends that are there, from what we see right now, about 20% or so of the bookings in the public data is all from the Intrawest customer, which is exactly the kind of business customer that we weren't getting before. We're also encouraged that 80% of the bookings way, way overperformed our expectations are from customers looking to go West. And we've been able to go and put more demand through these codes, while fulfilling the organic network through DFW in Chicago. So we’re encouraged by that and we continue to be as we go and scale up in Northeast partnership with JetBlue us well.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Alison, why don’t you give a flavor for what you’re hearing directly from the corporate as you've been out on the road?
Alison Taylor:
Yes, just to add on what Vasu said Robert, having just talked with most of our large corporate account. I just see it is simplicity of our network arrangement and contracting with us, as we do that together with our new alliances is something that really assists the truck manager and the travelers. We have been able to sign our largest, most complex global accounts to both Alaska and JetBlue. It just makes it easier and more seamless for them to have a great network and have great offerings through our joint loyalty partnerships as well and through having a one-stop shop for the sales side of us as well.
Operator:
And your next question comes from Andrew Didora with Bank of America. Your line is open.
Andrew Didora:
Great. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for the questions. I guess, Derek, on the deleveraging plan, can you maybe just help us a little bit with maybe the free cash flow build beyond this year? Can you give us a general idea of kind of what level, I guess, net CapEx can be beyond 2021? And can you remind us what your pension contribution requirement is this year and next?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. Well, firstly, with the pension is going to -- I mean, with the paydown, it’s going to be using the excess cash that we have as we go forward. So just, we'll have a significant amount of that used to prepay the debt. But as we move forward, next year in 2022, we only have about $2.6 million of CapEx, about $1 billion -- we're forecasting about $1 billion in non-aircraft CapEx for the next four years, so we've kind of left it back. It might have come in a little bit below, a little bit above that. From a gross aircraft CapEx, we have about $1.5 billion in 2022 and $1.8 billion in 2023. And then the other thing to look at is debt payments in 2022, we only really have one significant debt payment, which is the unsecured. So, we only have about $2.5 billion of debt payments in 2022, steps up to about $4.4 billion in 2023. So, each of those two years are going to be significant as -- if the earnings are where we believe they are, we'll have more free cash flow to pay that off. From a pension perspective, we really don't have any pension contributions in 2022 or 2023 necessary. So, there's a small one, we think, in 2023 of about $50 million, but zero in 2022. So, not a lot of cash requirements for either capital, debt paydown, or pension contributions over the next couple of years, which will enable us to have significant free cash flow to start to delever along with the excess liquidity that we believe we will have over that time period.
Andrew Didora:
That's great color. Thank you for that. And then my second question, maybe Robert or Vasu, in your down-20% revenue outlook for 3Q, can you maybe provide us a little color on how you see the domestic yield environment progressing throughout the quarter? And if you can, can you give us what percentage of your expected 3Q revenues are already booked now? And how does that compare to pre-COVID levels? Thanks.
Vasu Raja:
Yes, this is Vasu. I can help with both. Look, as we look into 3Q really, we continue to see a lot of the same trends that we're seeing in June and July and the first half of August. As schools go back to return in the second half of August and following Labor Day, there's a natural lightning in the leisure demand that we're seeing. And so, as we look out there, we're actually really encouraged by the yield environment. We're seeing yields that are in that period, 95% to 105% of where they were in 2019. As far as how much their bookings, as we get out into September, we're still only about 35% to 40% booked out there. So, there's yet a little bit of room out there. And the way we consciously built the airlines as we go into that period. It is very much that it will be maybe a little bit less of the opportunistic leisure stuff that we've been doing a little bit more starting to orient that what we're seeing is the return of business travel. So, we're encouraged by the trends that we see out there, but we really are planning that a material amount of business travel won't come back until after the October period.
Operator:
And your next question comes from David Vernon with Bernstein.
David Vernon:
Hey good morning guys. Thanks for the time. Vasu, maybe could you talk a little bit about how the dynamic on business fairs are -- is behaving kind of relative to a normal pre-COVID level? I'm just trying to get a sense for whether you're starting to see some close-in bookings or I know the activity levels have improved, but how is the fair dynamic working in there? And if you could also comment a little bit on kind of where you are in getting the traditional sort of revenue management algorithms to kick in?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. That's an excellent question. And probably the second one helps give context for the first one, so I'll answer them in reverse order. When the pandemic began, we talked about this thing as a reset. We – for planning purposes, we take that very, very seriously that we describe the business on a year over 2 years basis. When it goes to planning the business, we work here and now. And one of the benefits of having more capacity out there is this enabled us to go and observe demand. So, we realized in the early days of this that the pandemic was going to be so big and so devastating that our historical demand forecast wouldn't work for probably a few years into the future. So, we've been pretty actively over the last year rebuilding our forecasting system. And clearly, through our Q3 results, there's some great effect and to the great work of our revenue management team. When we came in, in January and there is still a lot of uncertainty, one of the things that they noticed was that every single peak period we had more travel demand than what was there before. And it was actually, the booking curves are actually shifting further and further out with more people willing to pay also high fares closer in. So very actively set up the summer for that. And if you go and just look at the public data that's there, we very consciously built the airline and try to take as much demand as we could close to departure. And indeed, our market share inside of 14 days in the Q2 period was much greater than what it was outside of 14 days. So even though the fare environment was depressed, right, even though yields were at 80% to 85% of historical levels, we were taking a lot more share of inside 14 demand where we did indeed observe higher fares, more willingness to pay, more business style itineraries that were there. And that led to a lot of the results that you see where even though we have more capacity than others, we also have higher loads and high rate. And look, it's also enabled us to do -- we've got a much better handle on the nature of business travel. And we do see a lot of changes in trends and patterns that are there. And we believe that that’s really well-positioned into the fall. But we haven't seen the booking curve shift outward. We do see people engaging in business style itineraries, single-day trips overnight with no bag, things like that, and we're encouraged by that return. So with that in mind, we remain encouraged for how much business travel can start to rebound. And certainly, when we -- when more corporations return to work, we think there will be a four to six-week lag and a pretty material pickup there as well.
David Vernon:
That's extraordinarily helpful. Thanks for that detail. I guess, maybe just as a quick follow-up. If you think about the partnerships with JetBlue and Alaska, obviously, that executive order came out. There was some commentary in there on the airlines and slots and things like that. Have you guys been directly approached by the DOJ to revisit any of that stuff, or are you worried about that happening? Can you comment on the partnership in the context of the recent executive order?
Doug Parker:
Steve Johnson will answer that.
Steve Johnson:
Hi. Thanks for the question. As we've said, we've been in discussions with the DOJ about the NEA really since we announced it. And I think the real answer to this question is Vasu’s and Allison's comments earlier, but let me just summarize and refrain those. We designed the NEA for our customers. We designed it to be competitive. We designed it to allow us to do things to allow JetBlue and American to do things in the Northeast and in particular, in Boston and New York that we couldn't do on our own. And we designed it to allow us to grow and offer options to our customers that otherwise wouldn't be available. We're committed to that idea. I think what we've done with the NEA so far demonstrates that, that is going to be the case. I just -- we're really excited about the announcement that we made earlier this week about the NEA. And we're confident that at the end of the day, the regulators are going to see the value to customers and really the increase in competition that results from it. A couple of quarters ago, I was asked a similar question. And I said that we -- with the DOJ, in this case, doesn't have a deadline for taking action like they would in the case of a merger, and that we expected them to watch as the NEA was implemented and over time, make a decision about whether it was in the best interest of consumers. That seems to be what they're doing now, and we expect that to continue.
Operator:
And your next question comes from Savi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is open.
Savi Syth:
Hey, good morning everyone. Could you provide on the fleet harmonization side, with this kind of the success you're having with getting that done, just wondering if you could share with the cost and revenue benefit timing? And what that might look like relative to 2019?
Derek Kerr:
Yeah. Savi, this is Derek. I think the – I mean, the cost is all built into the capital plan. So what we've done with all of those projects within the $900 million non-aircraft CapEx because, as you can imagine, most of that stuff was purchased earlier, and now we're just putting it in the aircraft. All the 737s are done. And as Robert said, the A321s will be done by the end of the month. So the cost perspective is already in and it's already complete. What it will do is from an ASM perspective is it will increase ASMs. So, it should help the CASM as we go forward because we're adding those extra seats to the aircraft and that is all built into the CASM guidance that we have as we go forward from a revenue perspective.
Robert Isom:
Just again, remember that on the 737s, we effectively took the seat count from 160 to 172 seats. And on the A321s, which we still have, 100-plus left to reconfigure. We're taking the configuration up to 190 seats from either 187 seats or 183 seats. So, it's -- again, I'll reframe this in terms of those aircraft have all new seats, all new bins. They have new wide-wings [ph]. They have power. Of course, they already have the best in terms of satellite Wi-Fi. So, we have more seats to sell. It's a better product for our customers to win overall. It's something that we really haven't had the ability to go out and market over the last year. So this is something we're excited to do as we finish off 2021 and move into 2022.
Derek Kerr:
Yes. And Savi, from an operating perspective, for the airports to have the consistency of aircraft to swap and the move around has been very, very helpful from an operating perspective also.
Savi Syth:
Got it. So we should see some kind of margin benefit as we head into next year...
Derek Kerr:
Yes, into--
Savi Syth:
All of those combined. Thanks.
Derek Kerr:
Correct.
Savi Syth:
Great. And if I might quickly just follow-up on the business corporate demand recovery, appreciate kind of thinking of full recovery next year. Curious what you're thinking you might see kind of exiting this quarter and into the fourth quarter?
Vasu Raja:
This is Vasu. Really, as we go through 3Q, we're not seeing a big alteration to the trends that we've seen sequentially so far. And if we're about -- if the corporate revenues are at 45% of where they were in 2019, from January to June, we've seen that build about seven to 10 points sequentially kind of month-to-month. And we don't really see anything between now and September, where seven to 10 points will either be materially higher or lower. In October, where we believe -- presently believe there's going to be a change that as we've seen companies return to work, especially across the Sun Belt, typically in a four to eight-week lag period after that, we start seeing them come back to travel. And with so many areas right at some of the lowest booking points of commencement are the New York corridor, D.C., and the Greater Chicago area with them, both returning back to school and back to work around Labor Day we anticipate that really it will be early to mid-October when that demand starts coming back. And Alison could add more, but that's so far is pretty consistent with what we're hearing from our corporates.
Alison Taylor:
Absolutely. 50% of our corporate customers have already listed their travel restrictions, and two-thirds have already planned to return to the offices by the end of 2021. So, this bodes well for a continuing uplift in corporate travel. And what we saw in Q1 and Q2, for our largest corporate accounts, we saw an 80% increase from Q1 to Q2. So, it's been a steady recovery. And it's been interesting for us to see some travel patterns that remain different than they were pre and some of that remain the same. For example, those that are different is that our travel remains less concentrated on peak days of the week, but the booking curve of corporate traffic continues to normalize towards 2019 levels.
Operator:
And your next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI. Your line is open.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey thanks. Your revenue outlook and margin outlook is better than what we were hoping for, which is consistent with peers that have reported thus far. I wanted to ask you about your ability to influence relative margins. you're guiding to kind of mid-single-digit negative pretax margins in the third quarter. Both of your network peers are guiding to positive, at least one is guiding to mid-single-digit positive. So just thinking back to 2019, you're starting from a lower margin baseline. So the same RASM and the same CASM trajectory is going to result in the same ranking on the other side of this pandemic. My question is, what is your plan to change the ranking? Do you expect American to be an industry plus RASM story or an industry minus CASM story? And I appreciate your thoughts.
Doug Parker:
So first off, I mean, as I know, looking at relative margins right now, it's hard to do. It's so volatile around how small the profits are and one airline is driving versus another and how fast revenues are going. For example, while you are right, I guess our 2 large competitors are forecasting to have the margins better than our forecast in next quarter. The actuals this quarter were 10 points better than United, for example. So – but one should not take that domain that we think we're going to have 10-point better margins. And going forward, my point is just that, that whether or not – some of it may be forecast plans. Who knows? So maybe forecast -- not so maybe more concerned and others don't know where is talking about we speak. But to your broader question as to going forward and what we think about relative margin performance, I firmly believe what you're going to see from us is when you look – when we all get to a real profitability and where you can actually compare these types of numbers, say, 2022, American's margin versus our 2 large competitors versus where it was in 2019 will be there, if not exceeding one of them. So that's what we certainly would expect. We expect that -- given what we're seeing today, we expect that given the $1.5 billion of cost efficiencies that we felt into the airline today. So anyway more to come on that, but I would really caution anybody from trying to look at margins today and comparing relative margins as to any sort of indication of where they're going to be in the future because they're moving every quarter. But anyway, it's been 3 quarters now that we've been well ahead of United, but we don't take huge comfort in that. There's just tons of noise in there.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Appreciate the thoughts, Doug.
Operator:
And your next question comes from Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is open.
Helane Becker:
Thanks very much operator. Hi everybody and thank you very much for the time this morning. As you guys start to think about opportunities to grow the network, where do you think the next – and as the new aircraft come in? Because I think you're still getting a few new aircraft, especially 787s. Where do you think the next best markets are for those aircraft?
Robert Isom:
Helane, thanks. I'll start, and Vasu can add on. So look, we've done some great work to put in place some new partnerships that have been talked about. That allows us to really optimize the fleet overall. And as we take a look at the growth, you'll see that some of the things I talked about, new gates in Charlotte, new gates at DFW, the upgauging of 14 regional gates in DCA, those are going to be first on the list for us. And we're really happy with the set of assets that we have, because they do enable us for some growth in some of the fastest-growing metro areas. But in addition to that, they are really efficient connecting operations as well. So that's first order of business. Vasu?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Robert said it really well. And what I'd say very simply is, some of this pandemic and everything we've seen for the vast majority of cities all across domestic U.S. and even South America, too, the American Airlines has the best network, the best globally ubiquitous network. And -- so, we envisioned a lot of where we would organically put assets is there. And then as we start building back international, we built it back in a way where it really grows off of where we're strongest organically, places like Chicago and Philadelphia and Miami and Dallas-Fort Worth. But also we envision being able to launch flights out of New York and Seattle. And we've been really encouraged so far with what we've seen through those partnerships. So a big chunk of our growth, wherever it is, is going to be focused on things that really drive the performance of this company and are positive for us and our customers.
Helane Becker:
Okay. That's very helpful. Thanks, Vasu and Robert. And then the other question I had and I think you may have answered this, but I might have missed it. Is the revenue being driven by higher load factors or higher yields or a combination thereof?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, Helane, this is Vasu again. And the reality is both. But as we go back and look at -- look at this, when we look at it internally, we actually index at March 2020 when things kind of were at their lowest point. And if you look at that and just index our results coming out of there, our traffic -- like our traffic just slowly filled capacity. And the next thing -- the next effect that we've been seeing, as you look at that sequentially, is growth in yield. So the reality is both, but what we have been more encouraged about, to my earlier comments, too, is that, as we get into peak days of week peak travel period, things like that, we are able to go and drive yields in a way that really was nonexistent to us in 2020. So the reality is it's both, but increasingly, yields are taking over. And that's very encouraging for us because, of course, in the way our ASMs are distributed, the more and more we see domestic yield recoveries, the more our business has large recoveries.
Helane Becker:
Thank you.
Operator:
And your next question comes from the line of Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Mike Linenberg:
Yes. Hey. Just two here. Robert, I want to go back to the point that you made about a full business travel recovery in 2022. Now are you specifically referring to your domestic business revenue, which I think is about 25%? Are we looking at, on a system-wide basis, which is probably a number that's probably 10 to 15 percentage points higher than that. I just want a clarification on that.
Robert Isom:
Hey, Mike, domestic.
Mike Linenberg:
Okay.
Robert Isom:
International, as we said in our comments is still ways off. But as Vasu and Alison have talked, everything we see in terms of trends from a domestic business perspective and boding-well for international as well as we go out and we talk to CEOs and in insurance and in financials and in consulting and accounting firms, everything tells us that business is going to come back to where we had seen it before. Maybe in some different ways, but feel really confident starting with domestic in 2022.
Mike Linenberg:
Great. Very helpful. And then I just -- Vasu, I want to ask you, not that long ago, I want to say a few months back, I think you were out publicly saying that you were bracing for maybe a bit of a falloff in demand when we got into the fall largely kids back-to-school, families or parents back to work that you would see some impact on one hand. On the other hand, when you think about maybe Europeans coming to the U.S. getting pushed back into the fall, the cruise industry just starting to reopen, Broadway opens, I think, on September 14th, are we going to see a potential leisure bump because of just re-openings that are happening around the world? And have you rethought that prognostication about a potential demand sluggishness maybe on the leisure side when we get into September, October. What's your latest thoughts on that? Thank you.
Vasu Raja:
Yeah. Thanks, Mike. Well, let me clarify my prognostication. I think it's taken on colors that I didn't originally meet it for the investor conference. But really, what it is, is that first and foremost is long-haul international, consistent with Robert's comments a moment ago. Right now, as I'll use Europe as the example, as markets there have reopened, we saw a lot of bookings come in, what would be historically late in the European booking curve, which is great. But the vast majority of them are sales represent relative style bookings, or leisure-oriented bookings. And so as we look out there, there's really not a lot to indicate that real long-haul business travel is going to be coming back following Labor Day. And again, to continue my European example, really what buffers the European network into the fall is indeed business travel. Now what is unknown to us is if these reopenings continue, there probably is going to be some more marginal demand for Europeans coming to leisure markets in the U.S. and Latin America. But for all intents and purposes, we're presuming that, that's going to be relatively small. We've seen very little to occur otherwise or to comments Alison made and Robert made. And then as we think about our short-haul network, both in domestic and added Mexico, Caribbean and Latin America, there, we do indeed anticipate that visiting friends and relatives style markets will actually be seasonally and sequentially stronger than what it would have been in 2019 or 2018. We do anticipate there's going to be more weekend-oriented leisure demand, three-day weekends, things like that than what we might have otherwise seen. But the reality is what we have in June and what there's going to be in September is likely to be really different. Right now in June, we see travel where people will go to Missoula, Montana on a Tuesday and return the following Wednesday. It's pretty unlikely that a trip like that is going to happen with the same degree of frequency when you get -- when people are going back to school. But that's okay, we can go and configure our airline network to go and match the demand that's there. And that's indeed why certainly in our published schedule, you see us flying more things into D.C. and New York and starting to add back multi-frequency business markets and in three-day weekend patterns and things like that.
Operator:
And your next question comes from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan. You may now ask your question.
Jamie Baker:
Hey, good morning, everybody. My first question related to when Broadway is going to open, but might be busy lunch. So a question probably for Robert. So the third quarter capacity guide down 15% to 20%. That's a bit more aggressive than some of your competitors. It is what it is. But what internal calculus went into that. I mean, is that a function of loss minimization. Is it driven by the maximum amount of staffing that you have particularly on the pilot side, is that what you need to operate to avoid ceding share to competitors, just curious why that figure is down 15% to 20% as opposed to something different?
Robert Isom:
I'll start, and Derek can join in as well. But look, we're planning the airline for where demand is. We're planning the airline to maximize profitability. And it doesn't make sense right now to have assets on the ground. We've got the staff to go out and fly them. And we think that what we're doing is, is profit maximizing for – or loss minimizing for the airline right now. Vasu, go ahead.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Jamie, this is Vasu. I'll pick up right where Robert left off. He's exactly right. We plan to maximize the marginal economics of the business. And you see that. This is – a lot of what we see in Q3 is extension, quite frankly, of Q2. So if you look at Q2, for example, I was reading through other airlines print. And for the best-performing airline, their domestic PRASM, we produced the exact same domestic PRASM they did, but our airline was 65% or 70% larger or 6% [ph] more capacity. So to be able to be that much larger and produce the exact same revenue is a really, really great marginal economic decision because in our system, we're able to go and create that kind of leverage. And so the only difference between for us flying at 80 and something more or less than that is the – as we go out there, it's a continuation. And you can see it in the published schedules of exactly what's there right now, where about 90-ish percent of the ASM capacity of the company is doing the things that are really working right now, which is flying a lot in the Americas, both in North and South America, of the remaining 10% is flying Transatlantic and Transpacific. And that's the best marginal economic decision to make right now. And should that change? We have ample ways to go and respond to that.
Jamie Baker:
Okay. That's helpful. And then on Slide 16, you talked about steady state CapEx. I think the problem American had and I guess now the challenge United is facing is that CapEx really runs through peaks and valleys. So sort of a theoretical question. Is there a way to smooth those trends over time, or are airlines simply perpetually beholden to the product cycle from the OEMs? I'm trying to understand if $3 billion is truly a steady state number, or if that's just shorthand for short-term run rate until the next cool sunny thing comes along? That's my question.
Doug Parker:
No. Jamie, I was going to say, I think it maybe fluctuate up and down, a little bit on that, but you know, if you have a – to not get into the state of where we did before where we had $5 billion, $6 billion, and we were taking 100 aircraft, a year, we need to try to smooth it out a little bit better. But the other way to do that is take that -- take new aircraft, take older aircrafts, do different things like that. So, as you look at that, but we're to take -- I don’t think there's anything to do with manufacturers. It has to do with how do we want to smooth things out over the next 20, 25 years from an aircraft capital perspective because, as you know, aircraft, they can only last a certain point in time. So, our view is that we're going to need to replace some each year. We're going to need a little bit for growth each year, and that's where that CapEx comes from. I don't -- yes, it's harder to go, okay, we're going to order a bunch and get them all within a three or five-year period. We'd like to smooth that out a little bit more. So Doug, do you have anything to add to that?
Doug Parker:
I was just going to add, Jamie, that I think what you're seeing is that pent-up replacement issue that's driving this right now largely. So, given what's happening is airlines need to eventually replace aircraft, of course. And American did that pretty margin America deal with a big order, whenever that was, 2012 or 2013. US Airways already was in the middle of that. So combined, that's why we do have the debt. We have because we have much newer and better aircraft and assets than some of our competitors, and they now have to go through the same thing. So -- and while we were going through the troubles of the industry was going through, people held on to airplanes longer than we have in the past. So, all things -- anything related to the OEMs and entirely related to airlines who now have just held on to airplanes long enough that they have to be released. American's is not in the situation anymore. You know Delta are. And so you're seeing us now with lower CapEx in the future. You'll see them with larger in the future. That's the cycle. But once we get through that, you'll see us all get to, as Derek said, much more steady and kind of adding capital for growth as opposed to adding capital for replacement.
Operator:
And then your next question comes from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.
Hunter Keay:
Thank you. Good morning. By the way, Doug, that aircraft order was almost 10 years ago almost to the day, by the way.
Doug Parker:
Wow.
Hunter Keay:
I know. Time flies. I know. Derek, are you planning on revenue in 2022 to be above or below 2019?
Derek Kerr:
Revenue above or below 2019?
Hunter Keay:
Yes.
Derek Kerr:
Above. What do you guys think?
Doug Parker:
Above.
Hunter Keay:
I just want to clarify that question. You're planning on 2022 revenue to be above 2019?
Derek Kerr:
Number one, we haven't done our plan yet. So, a number -- so we haven't figured out -- I do -- I think from a -- what we do know is we will probably have growth a little bit. We should be back to 2019 levels from a growth perspective in 2022. CASM should be lower than where we are from a 2019 perspective, and revenue is going to be dependent on the recovery. So, I would -- I will take back my comment and just say it depends on the corporate recovery, it depends on international coming back to see whether we can get to that level. But I do know from a cost perspective and a planning perspective from an ASM, we would plan to be pretty close to 2019 levels. From an ASM perspective and CASM, pretty flat on those levels.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. All right, cool. And then another question for you, Derek. On the $1.5 billion in gross CapEx next year and I think you said $1.8 billion in '23, is there a 787 gross CapEx in that, or are those just operating leases? And what is the latest on the expectation of timing and delivery on those 19 planes? Thanks.
Derek Kerr:
Yes. The 787, there's -- the only gross CapEx. We only have a few left in 2022. So there's no gross CapEx in that number. That's all other than x 787. We have 14, 788s that are – 13 that are still left to deliver this year, but 8 of them are delayed at this point in time. So we really don't know the timing of those coming. 12 of them were supposed to come in 2021 -- or 11, excuse me, were supposed to come in 2021 and only 2 in 2022. So the CapEx for those 2 aircraft is very small in 2022. And as you noted, we do have sale-leaseback financing, and they're all financed in there. So the CapEx would be very minimal. We're still working with Boeing on those deliveries. Unfortunately, a lot of them were delayed. We don't quite know when they'll come in, but we're working with Boeing to try to get those. And we'd like to get them as soon as possible, but I know they're having issues trying to get those aircraft out.
Hunter Keay:
Got it. Thanks Derek.
Operator:
Your next question comes from Connor Cunningham with MKM Partners. Your line is open.
Q – ConnorCunningham:
Hi everyone. Thanks for the time. This might be a strange question. But does your acceleration of debt paydown allow you to be a little bit more aggressive with your network. Those things then pushed back in the past just like that your debt burden has hurt you guys are being a little bit more tactical. So I'm just curious if you can be, if you're going to be more nimble kind of going forward as you start to repay debt?
Doug Parker:
Yes. Thanks for asking anyway. I can't think of one decision we've ever made around here that we said, 'Oh, we can't do that because we have more of that.' Indeed, we haven't made one. So not to extend the thought we are being less nimble because we are burned with we certainly ever felt so. So, what we have or we – prior to 2020, as I stated, given the fleet modernization, the airline has gone through a fairly rapid fleet modernization the airline had gone through, we got to a position where we had more debt on the balance sheet than we thought made sense on a going-forward basis. So we had stepped forward a plan to reduce that debt over time. As we went into 2020, the pandemic obviously not only delayed the ability to do that, but made it even -- just added more to that as we had to add debt to fund operating losses. So now that we can begin to rebuild our efforts, we're excited that we're going to do that. But not one decision that we stepped gosh, we can't grow. We can't do what others are doing. We can't do what we want to do because we have a debt burden.' We've never found ourselves in a situation where we couldn't go finance more, if we need, if we wanted to or invest in the business where we wanted to, and we've been doing that and is certainly the case going forward.
Q – ConnorCunningham:
Great. And then just a couple of months ago, you were at a conference – or I think it was Vasu that was there. And you talked about how you weren't going to bring back international less the returns or similar to your domestic market. And I thought that was somewhat interesting. So, should we assume that the 60/35 split that you've historically had is going to skew more domestic on the other -- well, I mean, obviously, when things start to normalize and everything is open, like how do you view your international network going forward?
Vasu Raja:
Hey, this is Vasu, and thanks for the question, and I'll clarify that. To my earlier comments, this pandemic was a big reset for us. And prior to the pandemic, our margins internationally were -- certainly trailed our competitors and struggled a lot, especially outside of the time we got to peak summer. And a big part of it was that we had a lot of widebodies that, though they were put to really good use in the summer, really could not earn their carrying costs as we got in the trough season. A major part of that is that we didn't have big gateways in markets such as New York or the West Coast to be able to launch flights. A big part of it was just the nature of the unique and very expense and small fleet of widebodies that we have. And so when we -- when I say that a lot of coming back -- or a lot of what the pandemic has been changing that materially. We have some 80 fewer wide-body-capable -- or long-haul capable airplanes in the fleet as we enter the fourth quarter. And as we start to go and build it back, the things that we're focused on, things that can produce real annual returns much as we do with our short haul and narrow-body fleet. And we're seeing that increasingly as you go out there. If you look out at our -- just in published schedules, we've never been larger in Mexico, Caribbean and Latin America. Indeed, we are almost twice as large as any of our traditional network competitors in the area, and we see more opportunities to be able to grow. Indeed, were it not for restrictions on customer entry, we'd be a lot bigger in just about every one of the countries in South America than what we are today. Similarly, we see a lot of opportunities through partnerships that we've envisioned and created since the pandemic with -- not just with JetBlue and Alaska, which create really great jump-off points for international, but also with Qatar Airways, who's very quickly become our largest long-haul codeshare partner. And we think that will continue beyond and do that partnership that will open up new markets for us that wouldn't have been viable for our customers or for us financially prior to this. So when we talk about bringing it back, we do anticipate growing in long haul, but we need to be able to grow in long haul where we can earn the kind of returns that we earn in the domestic business.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, we will now take media question. [Operator Instructions] All right. And your first question comes from Leslie Josephs with CNBC. Your line is open.
Leslie Josephs:
Hi. Thanks everyone for taking my questions. When you started this big hiring push in the last few months, are those employees coming in at lower average pay rates for the people that left the company to buyouts, et cetera? And then can you talk a little bit about the booking pace for post-peak summer? I think someone mentioned 35% for September. I wasn't sure if that was just business travel or what. And then through the end of the year, what you're seeing there? Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Leslie, it's Doug. I'll take the first one. Indeed, yes, the people come back will come in by definition at lower pay rates. Still very high pay rates, by the way. But yes, we're 90% united [ph], so they come in on a union. On the contract scale is based upon seniorities. So people are coming back on lower seniorities. They come in at the lower end of that scale and progressing throughout -- progressing on through time. Second one?
Vasu Raja:
Yeah. Leslie, could you just repeat that question? I want to make sure I understood it right. This is Vasu.
Leslie Josephs:
Yes. If you can just give some detail on what you're seeing with bookings post the peak summer period. So I don't know if that's like half mid-August and then through the ends of the year. I think you had mentioned before, 35% for September. I don't know if that's 35% booked network-wide or just business travel or what you compared to [Indiscernible]
Vasu Raja:
Yeah. Okay, thank you for that. That context is super helpful. Yeah, look, we're continuing to be encouraged by the booking trends that we see. September, of course, as we go beyond Labor Day, September is our most booked month, and it's booked at about 35% full. That's not all that surprising to us. And in fact, it's by design, because, for us, at this point, though booking curves have expanded, still about 50% to 60% of our demand comes in inside of 45 days. So it's going to be a while before we really see how the booking curve shapes up. But we are very much encouraged at what we see. We think that traffic will continue to recover. And critically, we've been encouraged that as markets reopen, as companies return to work, then shortly thereafter, business travel comes back, especially business travel for short-haul sectors. So we're encouraged as we go Labor Day and beyond and cautiously optimistic for what lies head.
Leslie Josephs:
Okay. Thanks.
Vasu Raja:
Thanks, Leslie.
Operator:
And your next question comes from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News. Your line is open.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to see if you could give us an update on your vendor staffing situation. I think you had talked before about maybe having shortfalls on provisioning and perhaps airport employees in certain job categories. And I wanted to see if you could give us the current status of that, and whether you're still asking employees to volunteer for any jobs.
Robert Isom:
Mary, thanks. It's Robert. So, hey, the great news is that we're running a really nice operation in July. And so some of the places that were the most difficult to hire in and some of the things you speak of, like catering and people that assist with wheel shares, we've had really great luck with our vendors to get back on track. And so, when we take a look at the catering issues, we're right where we need to be. We have the airport staffed fully above and below the wing. And we're going to keep it that way. So we've been working closely with our vendors and feel good about it.
Mary Schlangenstein:
So are you then not having any further issues, especially as pertains to the catering on your aircraft? I mean, is that back to 100%?
Robert Isom:
So, yeah, we're back to where we need to be. As I said, there's always issues in certain places throughout the system, but we've -- we're running the airline that we need to right now. And as I said, we're going to -- we'll continue to work with vendors on any potential shortfall. Certainly, from an airline perspective, American has a great ability to attract team members. We pay great wages and have great contracts and benefits. And so, we've been able to get back to where we need to go. And June was a month in which we saw the issues associated with trying to ramp up as quickly as we did, but we've addressed those, and we're on the right track.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Alison Sider with Wall Street Journal. Your line is open.
Alison Sider:
Hi, thanks. One of your competitors has started talking about focusing more on the premium side of the business. And I guess, just given that, I'm curious, where you see yourselves like positioned? And whether you have any concerns about your product? And specifically, seatback screens, if there's been any regret about taking those off or any reevaluation of that?
Robert Isom:
Okay. I can start, and we can all chime in here. But I'd really like to focus on what we've done, which is really exciting. Over the last five years or so we've brought in, nearly 600 new aircraft so, while others may be talking about, what they might do, we have that on. We've already brought that in. And as well, any – in our narrow-bodies, we talked about with our 737 and A320 category configuration programs, that's all about making whatever else wasn't already new go back into really great shape. We've done a similar thing on the regional side where we brought in new double class, dual class RJs, especially the E175s, which get a really great reviews from our customers. And with all that, we've had an attention to making sure that we've got the right product, no matter where it's at in the cabin. We were one of the first carriers to get out there and provision our wide-body aircraft with premium economy seats, which is some of the most profitable real estate on the aircraft. Alison, as we take a look going forward. In regard to the product in-flight, we feel really good about focusing on what customers want most. And so to that end, we were the first in the business to get out and make sure that our aircraft are equipped with the highest-speed WiFi, satellite WiFi that offers full streaming capability on our narrow-body -- on all our narrow-body aircraft. We've got it on our WiFi-ed aircraft as well. Even on our 2 class regionals, we have ground-based WiFi. So we feel great about that because customers have said, 'We want to stay connected in flight.' And as we take a look going forward, we're intent on making sure that our store content product on the aircraft offers customers the ability to pull whatever they want to. And we're also going to be getting back into live entertainment as well. So from a technology perspective, we know that customers bring – just virtually everybody, 90% of our customers bring their own devices. Those devices have capabilities and higher definition in terms of screen capabilities, then we can put on aircraft right now. And as we take a look going forward, we're going to stay abreast of whatever it is that our customers need. And every day that we take a look going forward, technology improves. And we're going to be at the forefront of whatever comes. So right now, we feel really good about where we're at. I like what our product does for customers. I like what it means from a sustainability perspective, what we're doing in terms of our in-flight entertainment and making it satellite and WiFi-based. It's lighter. It's more efficient. And ultimately, it can keep up to speed with what customers want. So we feel really good about it.
Alison Sider:
Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Alison.
Operator:
And your next question comes from David Koenig with Associated Press. Your line is open.
David Koenig:
Hi. Hi, everybody. Hey, Robert and Vasu and Alison touched on this. But I wonder on business fares, if you have tried -- in business travel, I wonder if you can say whether business yields -- whether business passengers will be paying the same level of fares they paid before the pandemic or something more or less and how quickly that's going to happen?
Vasu Raja:
Dave, this is Vasu. And the short answer to your question is that right now, what we observe, business customers are paying a similar fare. But very importantly, as we're building this airline, we want to make it as easy as possible for our customers to return to travel and fly with us. And that means that the more value we give them through our product, the more willing they are to go and pay more for the product. And so while fare is the same, the reality is that the product that the business customer is going to come back to you in the fall is going to be way different. And for us, the big part of the product is the network. And the network that we'll be selling and marketing to customers, which is not just flight AA flies, but those that JetBlue flies and Alaska and Gol and Qatar Airways, in just North and South America alone, that network is two times larger than what any of our competitors offer. So, that's already a much more compelling thing. And so the simple way to think of it is for paying the same payer in 2019, you get a much more expansive network. And we are working really, really actively and diligently to ensure that that's delivered in the most reliable way in a way that's really easy for customers to go and understand and do business with.
David Koenig:
I guess I was wondering if you're having to offer concessions on price to bring them back.
Alison Taylor:
No. No, that's not been part of it. For us, it's about building confidence and returning to travel and make it easy for them to book and have their travel journey with us. And so we work with all our travel partners and with travel managers to get that done.
Operator:
And your next question comes from Dawn Gilbertson with USA Today. Your line is open.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Hi, good morning. This question is for Doug or Robert. I'm wondering if you could give us an update on what you're hearing on the federal mask mandate? And whether the tone of those conversations have changed given the spike in cases? And also, I'm curious as to what your stance is on that? Do you think it should stay or be lifted? Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Dawn, it's Doug. So, we're -- we haven't been involved in any conversation. The mandate is in place through September 13. It's put in place by the federal government that gets a specifically. And that's where we stand today. I don't know if -- what their view is on to whether it will be extended or whether they will let it expire on September 13. Whatever they decide, we'll enforce. And we'll continue to do so. It's not for us to opine as to whether or not it should be extended or not. That's their job. It's a federal mandate, and we will enforce whatever they put in place.
Dawn Gilbertson:
If I could do one quick follow-up. Say, you lifted, Vasu or anybody, is there any concern at all if it's lifted that especially as we look ahead to holiday travel that maybe families with -- that could hurt bookings with families with unvaccinated children that maybe don't want to get on an airplane without a mask mandate?
Doug Parker:
Yes, we're not going to speculate on that. We don't know if it's going to look or not. I don't -- again, I -- we certainly haven't seen any -- seen or heard any of our customers indicate that they have any sort of use. So, we certainly don't know, but it's really hard to speculate on something until we get to that line.
Operator:
And your next question comes from Edward Russell with Skift. Your line is open.
Edward Russell:
Hi, thank you. I was wondering, Doug, if you could comment on the American view of the payroll support program. Are those coming off? I know last year, you were talking about how it would allow American keeping staff, as well as ramp up quickly in the recovery, yet we've seen some operational issues this summer. So I just wanted to get your view on the relative success or otherwise of the program?
Doug Parker:
Yes. I think it's an overwhelming success. And to the extent there have been issues on growth, I think those are indicative of how successful the program was. Because had it not been for a PSP, you wouldn't see airlines trying to grow like we are 45% in the quarter. You're going to see airlines shut down and it's an industry shutdown. And I don't know when – where we'd be at this point. I don't know where we'd be in terms of our economy at this point. But it literally could not have been able to continue flying virtually the entire industry without the support of the Cares program. And by having it in place and by keeping it in place as the pandemic continued, what it allowed all of us to do was to keep our team employed. Now they went off flying, of course, but they're being paid. We were being paid to pay them at our government. So as we needed, we need to, of course, get them back into training. But they were ramped down and void, getting put back into training. And there were people that were on leave that we have recalled from leave. So, if it weren't for PSP, no that wouldn't make it. Obviously, it would flow have been not looking for the new employees as they would have gone up to do other things. I can't imagine how relative it would be, in terms of not just the airline industry but for our entire economy, if it weren't for the PSP program and what it did to maintain the infrastructure necessary to meet the demand that's down here.
Edward Russell:
Great. Okay. Thank you very much.
Operator:
And that concludes the media question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back to Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker, for any closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
Okay. Thanks, everybody. Just -- look, we are just really excited about the momentum we're seeing. It's in the numbers that you see today, 87% of revenue growth versus last quarter, 45% ASM growth versus last quarter; cash of $21 billion, 3x where it was when we ended 2019. And that continues into – and it continue into this quarter. And we just couldn't they're doing to take care of people. And I just -- I can't think of a better indicator of how quickly and drastically the world has changed to the point out that American Airlines today prepaid $1 billion of low interest notes that aren't due for 2 more years, after all we've been through for the last year or so, looking to go raise money wherever we could to make sure we had enough to fund the operating losses that we saw going forward. We've now got ourselves to a position where we're using cash to pay off debt that doesn't come due for 2 more years. It feels really good. And so we're excited about where we are. We're really excited about the future, and we look forward to talking to you as we go forward. Thanks.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day. You may all disconnect.
Operator:
Good morning, and welcome to the American Airlines Group First Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]. And I would now like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Daniel Cravens:
Thanks, Crystal. And good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group First Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Joining us on the call this morning, we have Doug Parker, Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, Chief Financial Officer. Also on the call for our question-and-answer session are several of our senior executives including Maya Leibman, Steve Johnson, Vasu Raja, Alison Taylor and Devon May. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our quarter and the actions we've taken during this pandemic. Robert will then follow with some remarks about our commercial and other strategic initiatives. After Robert's remarks, Derek will follow with the details on the quarter and our operating plans going forward. After Derek's comments, we'll open the call for analyst questions, and lastly, questions from the media. [Operator Instructions]. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecast, capacity, fleet plans and liquidity. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2021. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation to those numbers to the GAAP financials is included in the earnings release, and that can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website, and the information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us. At this point, I'd like to turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Dan, and good morning, everybody. This morning, we reported a first quarter pretax loss, excluding net special items of $3.5 billion. The loss was driven, of course, by the extreme drop in demand for air travel due to the global pandemic. Our revenues in the quarter were down 62% from the same period in 2019. In the midst of this difficult environment, the American Airlines team produced remarkable results. We flew more customers than any other U.S. airline. We did so reliably and safe. We produced the highest passenger unit revenue of any global U.S. carrier while having more available seats for sale. We completed the largest financing in airline history, a $10 billion transaction, secured by the most valuable loyalty program in the world, the AAdvantage frequent flyer program. And excluding debt principal, we were cash positive in the month of March, our first such month since the beginning of the pandemic. These results and more were made possible by our incredible team. Without their resiliency, creativity and compassion, we'd be facing a very difficult future. Instead, thanks to their hard work and determination, we're starting to see light at the end of this very long tunnel - this very dark tunnel, and we're on a path that has us well positioned as demand for air travel returns. That path forward is guided by what we're calling our green flag plan. For our industry, this pandemic has been much like a yellow flag during an auto race, where everyone slows down, takes a pit stop and get their cars ready for when the race resumes at full speed. We've used this period to improve and prepare our airline, so that when the green flag does drop, which appears to be on the horizon American will be ready. That plan is centered on four initiatives. I'll take a minute to walk through those at a high level, and then Robert and Derek will expand on what we've achieved to date and what we see on the horizon. First, we're doubling down on our commitment to operational excellence. We had a great operation in the first quarter, carrying more than 24 million passengers on nearly 340,000 flights. During our busiest day of the quarter, we had more than 430,000 customers flying on our aircraft. That's the highest we've had since March 2020. Our goal is to run the most reliable operation at American Airlines history once everyone is back to a full schedule. And the steps we put in place, including more reliable yet profitable scheduling, new tools and technology to assist our team and customers during irregular operations and our [clean] (ph) commitment, will ensure we achieve that goal. Second, we're taking this opportunity to reconnect with our customers. Robert will talk more about all we're doing. As customers return to the skies, they will see an even better American Airlines. One with the broadest and best global network that’s now been enhanced by new partnerships. And one with innovative technologies and procedures that make travel more convenient for our customers and ensures they feel safe and comfortable as they return to fly. Third, we're planning to build on the positive momentum we've established with our team. This past year has tested our team in ways we could not have imagined, but it also brought us much closer. We worked hand-in-hand with our union leaders to ensure that team members felt cared for, even as we experienced by far the most difficult financial circumstances in our industry's history. We're committed to building on that progress and continue to work together to ensure our team feels cared for every day. On that note, we are very happy to tell 13,000 team members they could tear up their WARN notices, following the passage of the COVID-19 Relief Act that included an extension of the payroll support program. We will continue to welcome team members back to the operations as we increase our schedule. In fact, earlier this week, we announced we will begin hiring pilots later this year to prepare for 2022 and beyond. Finally and importantly, we are committed to passionately driving efficiencies across the organization. Derek will elaborate on this. But we are really proud of the aggressive and innovative ways the team has worked to position us to be more efficient on the other side of this pandemic. The efficiencies we've built into the business over the past year will drive more than $1.3 billion of permanent non-volume-related savings in 2021 and beyond. So before I turn it over to Robert, I'll close with this. We are a long way from where we need to be. This crisis is far from over, and we have to continue fighting to give our customers, shareholders and team the company they deserve. But there is no doubt, the pace of the recovery is accelerating. And thanks to our team, in a thoughtful and proactive plan as the green flag drops, American Airlines is ready.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. I also want to thank our entire team for everything that they've done for our airline throughout the pandemic. This phenomenal group continues to rise to the occasion and deliver for our customers every day, and we're incredibly grateful. Our first quarter revenue of $4 billion was effectively flat on a sequential basis versus the fourth quarter of 2020. However, our demand and revenue trends accelerated significantly as the quarter progressed. In January, our total revenue was 34% of what it was in 2019. And by March, it was 46% in 2019. This trend was driven by strong leisure demand in the U.S., Mexico, the Caribbean and Latin America. This momentum has continued as our 7-day rolling average of system daily net bookings has reached 2019 levels this week. And this is in spite of business and long-haul international demand remaining weak, with net bookings of roughly 20% of their 2019 levels. That said, there are early signs of recovery for business. Small business demand, which was roughly 17% of our system revenue has been improving steadily as vaccination rates have increased and as markets reopen. An increasing number of our largest corporate accounts are coming back to the office and indicating that they'll be traveling in the third quarter and confirming in-person board meetings, conferences and events for this year. Importantly, we're focused on turning improved bookings and load factors into a leading unit revenue performance. We have continued to shape our network and our customer experience as nimbly and thoughtfully as possible, and we're seeing the results. The first quarter of 2021 was the third consecutive quarter in which our passenger unit revenue materially outperformed each of our network competitors. Thanks to our team, our likelihood to recommend scores have improved for the last 3 quarters as well. Based on our results in the first quarter, we're on track to have our best LTR year since the merger. We have used the pandemic to reset our airlines that it consistently outperforms for our customers, our team and investors. The first sign of this is in our summer schedule and second quarter capacity plan. We expect to fly approximately 80% of our 2019 system seat capacity in the second quarter, and this increases to 90% this summer. We'll continue to [Indiscernible] largest share of our assets to market where we can create unique value for our customers, and therefore, generate passenger unit revenue premium relative to our competition. When compared to 2019, we expect to find 90% of our domestic seat capacity during the summer peak and 100% in DFW and Charlotte. Our domestic network will constitute 85% of our system seat capacity in the summer peak. We expect to operate 80% of our international seat capacity compared to 2019 in our peak. Our organic network in the Americas creates more unique choices for customers and more profitability for the airline. As such, in our summer peak, our Latin American network is expected to be the same size as it was in 2019. Our short and long-haul Latin America network will constitute approximately 12% of our system seat capacity in the summer peak. By contrast, our operation has been much more challenged in the Atlantic and Pacific as those markets have yet to fully reopen. And as a result, in our peak schedule, seat capacity in those parts of our network will only be 40% of what it was during the same period in 2019. Our Atlantic and Pacific networks will constitute just 3% of our system seat capacity in the summer peak. We expect to bring these markets back slowly and only when demand conditions warrant. It's important to note there is significant pent-up demand for international travel, and we're seeing it most in markets like Tel Aviv and Athens where market reopenings are leading to steady increases in demand. As borders continue to open throughout the world, we'll be ready because of the changes that we made to our fleet and network and the strength of our partnerships around the world. Overall, we will deliver any increase in capacity in a more efficient and reliable fashion than we did in 2019. We've accelerated the retirement of over 150 older aircraft in our fleet, leaving American with by far the youngest fleet of our global U.S. competitors. We intend to have all of our remaining aircraft active this summer and no longer sitting out on tarmacs around the country. As Derek will share in a few minutes, we'll soon complete the harmonization of our Boeing 737 and Airbus A321 fleet, driving superior cost efficiency, a simpler operation and a better customer experience. Just as we used the past year to adapt our fleet network, we have also developed partnerships to offer our customers a seamless network in markets where we have structurally underperformed. This has been most true on the West Coast and in the Northeast. We have been unable to grow these markets organically due to infrastructure constraints. However, through our recently announced partnerships with Alaska and JetBlue, we can now offer customers the largest network in these 2 regions and bring a level of competition and choice that has long been lacking. Of course, to make these partnerships work, the experience must be seamless for our customers. As we like to say, an elite customer anywhere should be treated as an elite customer everywhere. We have several initiatives underway to make that a reality, including our announcement just yesterday to deliver on the next phase of our partnership with JetBlue. As we look towards the recovery, reconnecting with our customers will be centered on being the easiest airline to do business with. Our goal has always been to remove as many friction points as possible, and in the first quarter, we took a number of steps to help simplify the travel experience for customers as they return to flying. We've enhanced our travel planning tool to help customers make informed decisions on where they travel and what to expect when they get there, add a new pre-flight COVID-19 testing options, expanded acceptance of VeriFLY, the mobile health wallet that simplifies and verifies travel requirements. VeriFLY is now accepted for all of our international flights in the U.S. to the U.S. and our flights from the U.S. to 11 countries. Our partners, Aer Lingus, British Airways, Iberia, Japan Airlines, now also accept VeriFLY. Building a curb to gate contactless journey will be an ongoing effort as we reimagine safe and convenient travel in a post-COVID era. At DFW, we have expanded our touch technology trial to allow customers to use biometric scanners to check their bag's prior to departure, and we'll utilize that same technology to allow customers to gain entrance to an Admirals Club lounge later this year. And today, as we celebrate Earth Day, I want to highlight some important strides we've made to run a more sustainable airline. The most important thing any airline can do is retire older aircraft and replace them with new, more fuel-efficient aircraft. And we've done that at American, with $24 billion of investment over the past 7 years and a retirement of more than 650 older aircraft. But we need to do more to reach our goal of net-zero carbon emissions by 2050, and we have our eye on sustainable aviation fuel. SAF is the most promising advancement available to us in the near to mid-term. We've been taking delivery of SAF for almost a year, and in the first quarter, we reached innovative offsetting agreements with 2 of our customers, Deloitte and Kuehne+Nagel. We appreciate that the Biden administration and many in Congress have engaged with our industry on climate issues or encouraged by the fact that we have common goals, especially when it comes to SAF. So in summary, over the past year, we've greatly simplified and modernized our fleet, rationalized our network and made many changes to our business and operations to ensure customers have flexibility and peace of mind when they return to travel. We're encouraged by the trends in demand for air travel across all sectors and believe American is well-positioned for the recovery in the months and years ahead. And with that, I'll turn it over to Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Robert, and good morning, everyone. Before I begin my remarks, I too want to take the opportunity to thank our team. Their leadership and hard work truly embodies what American Airlines team members are known for. This morning, we reported a first quarter GAAP net loss of $1.3 billion or $1.97 per share. Excluding net special credits, we reported a net loss of $2.7 billion or $4.32 per share. Robert talked about many of the commercial activities we're working on and the trends we're seeing in the demand environment, so I'll focus my remarks on the cost side of our P&L and our balance sheet as we look to the future. Throughout the entire pandemic, we have remained focused on keeping our capacity aligned with demand while preserving the maximum amount of flexibility to respond as demand returns. We took aggressive actions to reduce our cost structure, and we have reduced our first quarter total operating expense, excluding net special items, by 26% versus 2020 on a 39% reduction in total capacity. Nonfuel operating expenses, excluding net special credits, were up 6% sequentially from the fourth quarter as we gradually added back capacity. We ended the first quarter with $17.3 billion in total available liquidity, including approximately $3.1 billion of PSP2 funds we received from the Treasury Department during the quarter. We were recently notified that this amount will be increased by approximately $463 million to be received in the second quarter. In addition, we expect to receive $3.3 billion of PSP3 funds by the end of the second quarter. We saw positive trends in our daily cash burn rate throughout the quarter. Our average daily cash burn was approximately $27 million per day, which came in better than our guidance of $30 million per day. This happened despite the drop-off in demand we saw in January and February and a significant increase in fuel prices at the beginning of the quarter. As a reminder, our definition of cash burn includes approximately $9 million per day of regular debt principal and cash severance payments. For the month of March, our estimated average daily cash burn rate was approximately $4 million per day. And excluding approximately $8 million per day of regular debt principal and cash severance payments made in March. As Doug noted, the company's cash burn rate turned positive for the month. During the quarter, our Treasury team did a phenomenal job of continuing to strengthen our liquidity through a series of capital market transactions. Notably, we completed our $10 billion financing transaction that was backed by the AAdvantage program at a blended rate of 5.6%, less than half of what we would have been able to do last summer, and use those proceeds to repay in full the $550 million secured loan we had with the Treasury Department. We also had $530 million of aircraft amortization payments, including the maturity of our 2011-1WTC, which, together with mortgage maturities, resulted in 35 mainline aircraft and 9 regional aircraft becoming unencumbered. During the quarter, we also repaid in full our $2.8 billion of revolving credit facilities. This was a liquidity-neutral transaction that reduced the company's outstanding debt by $2.8 billion. Importantly, we still retain the flexibility to either draw upon these revolving commitments again as needed or leave them undrawn until October 2024. During the quarter, we took delivery of 7 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, and we expect to take 1 more delivery later this year. As a reminder, these aircraft were built while the MAX was grounded and were efficiently financed through leasing transactions. In addition, we recently exercised our remaining deferral rights on 18 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft that were previously scheduled to be delivered in 2021 and 2022. These deliveries are now expected to occur in 2023 and 2024. Lastly, we reached an agreement with Boeing related to our remaining 787-8 deliveries. Under the revised terms of the agreement, we have elected to defer and convert 5 787-8 aircraft to 787-9 aircraft. These deliveries are now expected to occur in 2023. The remaining 14 deliveries of 787-8 aircraft have been rescheduled to occur by the end of the first quarter of 2022, and all of these aircraft will retain their existing financings. In January, the company made $241 million in contributions to its pension plans and marks the new COVID-19 relief bill, included, among other things, funding relief for single employer pension plans. These new funding rules reduced the company's remaining required cash contribution for 2021 to 0, while lowering our projected required contributions over the next 5 years by over $2 billion. Under these new provisions for funding purposes, the combined plans are expected to be funded in excess of 90% for plan year 2021. As Doug and Robert mentioned, we are starting to see signs of what appears to be a strong economic recovery. This fantastic news makes our $1.3 billion of efficiency measures even more important as we repair our business for the return to a more normal environment. On the fleet side, we have talked a lot about our fleet simplification efforts and the elimination of smaller sub-fleets, which resulted in the removal of more than 150 older and inefficient aircraft. Many of these aircraft - retired aircraft have already been sold. And by May, we will have completed disposal of all of our 730 - 767 aircraft and Embraer 190 aircraft, generating more than $300 million in proceeds. Our fleet changes are expected to drive significant operational and cost savings in 2021 and beyond. With only 4 mainline aircraft types remaining, we will see improved aircraft utilization and operational efficiencies in the back half of 2021 through the increase in gauge and reduction in inactive aircraft, including spares and maintenance allocations. Additionally, our fleet harmonization project is picking up steam, and we expect to have our entire 737 fleet completed in the second quarter of this year. These aircraft have 172 seats and come with larger overhead bins and in-seat power. We expect to have the A321 fleet completed by the end of this year. Aside from a better customer experience, these projects will provide significant opportunities to improve revenue production and lower our unit cost now and well into the future. So when demand returns to more normalized levels, we'll be able to fly - efficiently fly 2019 levels of capacity with approximately 10% fewer aircraft. In terms of our balance sheet following our transactions in the first quarter, 32% of our outstanding debt is prepayable without penalty. After all the COVID-related financings we have completed to date, our average cost of debt is approximately 4.5%. As we have said in the past, we will naturally reduce our debt from where we are today by $8 billion to $10 billion over the next 5 years through regularly scheduled debt amortization. We know going forward that since we are now starting at a higher debt level on account of pandemic-related debt, we will need to de-lever even more. In the near term, we plan to maintain higher liquidity levels until we are generating sustained positive cash flow. Once this occurs, when combined with our efficiency measures and a lower CapEx profile, we plan to use any excess cash flow to more strategically de-lever our balance sheet by proactively retiring prepayable debt and concurrently increasing our unencumbered assets. As part of our plan, we also anticipate resetting our target minimum liquidity level. Overall, we expect second quarter total capacity to be down approximately 20% to 25% versus second quarter of 2019. With these capacity and demand assumptions, we expect to see a significant increase in our revenue versus the first quarter with our total revenue to be down approximately 40% versus the second quarter of 2019. These inputs lead to an estimated second quarter pretax margin, excluding net special items of between negative 27% and 30%. We presently expect to end the second quarter with approximately $19.5 billion in total available liquidity, which includes the additional PSP2 and PSP3 funds I mentioned earlier. That would be the highest liquidity position in company history and our fifth consecutive quarter of increased liquidity despite the demand-driven operating losses we have incurred over that period. Given these projected liquidity levels and the positive cash and demand trends, we are no longer looking to raise liquidity at American for the first time since the pandemic struck. For the full year 2021, our debt principal payments will be $2.8 billion, excluding the prepayment of our revolving credit facilities. In the second quarter, we expect to pay down $595 million of aircraft and engine debt in addition to the $250 million PDP facility we paid off earlier this month. Our full year CapEx is still expected to remain minimal. Non-aircraft CapEx will be $900 million. And due to our negotiated settlements with Boeing attractive aircraft financing and our already modernized fleet, our net aircraft CapEx, including PDPs, will be an inflow of $1 billion. While we feel great about how much we have accomplished, we recognize that we still have a long way to go to get our business back to normal. Our team has done an amazing job of bolstering our liquidity, conserving cash and driving efficiencies throughout the organization, and we are very well positioned for the future. And with that, I'll open up the line for analyst questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from the line of Joseph DeNardi with Stifel.
Joseph DeNardi:
Doug, two questions for you on the loyalty program. I wanted to ask you a question I asked a few years ago at your Investor Day. Given how valuable the loyalty program has become and how lucrative the business of selling miles has become, do you need to reconsider what American Airlines is? Are you an airline or are you a marketing company?
Doug Parker:
Yes. We're an airline, Joe, and always will be. The managed program is a big part of that, which helps us to market the airline.
Joseph DeNardi:
So Doug, in 2019, your loyalty program generated roughly the same amount of EBITDA as Marriott did. My question is, did you know that? Does that surprise you? And lastly, why don't you allocate 40% of the time on these calls to the loyalty program since that's how much EBITDA it represents for you all?
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Joe. Yes, look, I don't think it's possible to separate the EBITDA - the AAdvantage program from the EBITDA and the airline. They're inextricably linked, and you can't have one without the other. So anyway, that's what I believe. So the - and therefore, we talk about running the airline, which what we do every day. And again, the AAdvantage program does indeed - is an incredibly important part of that. Our - because we do such a good job of running an airline, people want to have miles in our loyalty program. People want to have credit cards that allow them to earn miles as they spend to earn miles so they can fly more on our airline. Those are all good things. But you can't have one without the other, and I don't think it's right to try and separate one P&L from the other.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Mike Linenberg:
I guess just maybe Robert or Doug. Robert, you talked about international lagging. You talked about calling out transatlantic, and yet we are seeing headlines over the last week or so about the potential opening of at least the U.S./U.K. corridor maybe as soon as the month of May, maybe June. Can you just give us an update on what you're hearing and whether or not we're going to see maybe unfettered access between the U.S. and U.K.?
Robert Isom:
So we're - Mike, we're certainly hopeful, and we encourage our government to engage with the U.K. But look, this is a matter - a bilateral matter, and it's one that first have to be predicated on confidence and safety of travel. So we're encouraged and we're certainly ready when the opportunity allows it. And we know, as I said, that there's tremendous demand, both from a corporate and from a leisure perspective, to take advantage, but we're going to have to make sure that we're coordinated with all parties, governments and government agencies to make sure that we're doing it in an appropriate manner.
Mike Linenberg:
Great. And then just my second call, just to Vasu on JetBlue, American. I mean, I know it's early. Any sort of quick wins with respect to flow traffic between the two of you in JFK and Boston? And then the story - I mean, certainly a lot of criticism in - at least it seems in the press and from other entities out there, and yet it feels like the story that's not being told is just the number of new services. And I just think about the phase that was just launched in the last day or two, the number of markets that maybe didn't exist before that now exist like a JFK Cali, JFK Boise and then the number of city pairs where you're going from 1 to 2 or 2 to 3 or 3 to 4. For whatever reason, that story doesn't seem to be out there because I sort of view that as being enhancing competition, not taking away from it. So any sort of update that you can give on - with respect to that alliance?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Mike, thanks for the question. It's a great question. And look, [Indiscernible] start the story about that because you're absolutely right. AA and JetBlue together, the fastest-growing airlines in the whole Northeast corridor. Not just adding new services that certainly AA would have never thought possible to JFK daily, but arguably in which JetBlue wouldn't have thought possible, such as Boston and Cincinnati. And there's a lot of things, but really - so the first part of your question, it's all been enabled, really the customers are the true voice of this because if they like it, they'll fly on it. And we've seen that so far. So March was our first month in which we turned on the codeshare. We only had about 3 weeks' worth of bookings. And at least for JetBlue on AA, that was only about 25 to 30 markets. But JetBlue has already become our largest global codeshare partner. That's a little bit weird because so many of our international partners are flying 5% to 10% of their schedule, but what we do draw some encouragement from is that our codeshare scope is vastly smaller with JetBlue than just about any of our major partners. And as we look at these things, we look at not just the total revenue production on us, but how much of that revenue is really incremental that is coming in higher fares than what we - what AA is organically booking or coming in periods where the flights were light. And we're finding that somewhere between 30% and 40% of that is incremental with similar rates in Alaska, and that compares extremely favorably to our historical global alliances. So that, for us, as much as anything, is an indication of exactly what you said, the customer is voting. And the customer really likes the new services, likes the service expansion that's there. And as long as that's the case, it's going to be attractive for us financially. And so we'll continue to grow and innovate and try things that would not have been possible without a partnership such as this.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Can you just bridge us from the current international demand commentary of kind of 20% of normal or maybe that was a March comment, 20% of normal and then getting to 80% from a capacity perspective this summer?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. This is Vasu. I can help with that. That - a big part, when we quote international, we're quoting both our long-haul business and our short-haul international business. Of note, the way we get to 80% is that we are envisioning a long-haul business, which will be, come our peak summer schedule in July, 40% of its 2019 size. But a short haul of international business, which will be north of that, something like 20% larger than what it was in 2019, with our long-haul Latin American network being something like 80% of 2019, right? So - but maybe even the more colorful way to say is that, for us, long-haul is going to be a very small part of our system this summer. Our total long-haul network, Transatlantic, Transpacific and long-haul Latin America will roughly - will be about 3% to 5% of the seat capacity of the airline from the peak July schedule. So a lot of what you see is, in our international numbers, is more capacity going into the short-haul network, which, for us, has proven to be the most resilient part of the whole system ever since the pandemic started. No matter what the headlines have been, no matter how the market turns, we've always tend to find bookings rebounding fastest soonest and greatest in those markets. And you see that in our RASM results, we’re flying the biggest schedule in short haul, international and producing the greatest comparative RASMs out there, too.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
And then just a follow-up for Derek. On the net aircraft CapEx inflow of $1 billion, can you just tell us how much of that is sale leaseback proceeds? And how much of that is sort of PDP refunds?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. Our net aircraft CapEx is about $145 million, so direct sale leaseback of aircraft is about $2.7 million. So we have about $2.6 million of aircraft CapEx, and that's all financed by direct lease and sale leasebacks. And then the PDPs is about $850 million.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. Sorry, just a small point of follow-up there. Can you give us a sense for where aircraft rent might be kind of exiting this year?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. Aircraft rent, we'll exit - we have about 350 in the first quarter, exit around 400 in the fourth quarter.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Helane Becker with Cowen.
Helane Becker:
So I have two questions. One is, you guys said that you flew more passengers than any other airline, and I know your cargo revenue was fairly strong as well. But I was looking at your revenue compared to the - just your absolute revenue, not your unit revenue, and it was lower than that of like Delta, and I'm kind of wondering what you think accounts for the difference. And then my follow-up question is related to - are you talking to the Biden administration about reopening borders, obviously, safely, but reopening borders this summer to gain at least some summer international traffic?
Doug Parker:
I'll take the second.
Derek Kerr:
Yes. I can just - I can try to take the first. Look, I can - I don't know the detail on Delta's number. I can tell you this, that it's not passenger revenue and it's not cargo revenues.
Doug Parker:
So what is it? [Indiscernible] Anyway, we know exactly what it is in there. They do have business we don't have. On the Biden Administration, absolutely, Helane. I mean as Mike had asked about U.K./U.S. corridor, we're heavily involved in that, given our relationship, given our - how large we are to the U.K. and our relationship with BA, of course. And we're in regular contact. The - look, what we support is a risk-based data-driven approach to restoring international travel. What we've seen is pre-departure testing for international [rail] (ph) has been in place early this year. CDC recently eased the guidance for domestic travel for vaccinated persons, following a lengthy study of that issue, so all these factors were taken into consideration. As formal guidance for travel is being developed, I think - I know the administration understands that. I know they understand the importance of international travel and restoring international travel to the economy. And we all need to go look at this in a risk-based way. No one wants to rush for certain, and no one's pushing that either. So anyway, I think it's going to happen gradually. We're going to do it in a way that works with our governments and works with other governments to ensure that it's done in a way where it's safe. No doubt, there's enormous pent-up demand for it. And we see that as some other countries have relaxed their restrictions on things like [Indiscernible]. So we'll keep working on it. Everyone who's involved are working productively. There's no sort of - there's certainly no sort of pushback on [our side] (ph). We all want to do this in a way that makes sense.
Derek Kerr:
Yes. And Helane, the biggest difference on the revenue side is the refinery, just so you know.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Hunter Keay:
So business travel, it's always been, obviously, a little bit more cyclical and riskier, but higher reward. Leisure travel tends to sort of endure and recover better. So you knew that. But as you drive out, whatever, $2 billion in cost, you densify your aircraft, is there a thought maybe that you don't want as much of that corporate share on the other side of this? And then maybe, obviously, I know business travel is important to you, I understand that. But maybe like an 80-20 leisure business mix makes more sense for American longer term, given your network footprint and the cost savings and the seat densification and all the other factors, just around the periphery, does that make sense?
Doug Parker:
No, we don't think so. And again, we think - actually, we're building a network that will serve business better [Indiscernible] network, and we're excited about that. So as soon as travel returns, we're building the airline to be there for them. And I think we'll be able to do that as well or better than anybody else.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. Thanks Doug. And then, Derek, can you help me think about the SWB line in '22, '23 as we contemplate juniority of the pilots and some of the headcount cuts on management, if we assume the capacity is at or maybe slightly above 2019 levels?
Derek Kerr:
From a salary perspective?
Hunter Keay:
Yes, like an absolute SWB, not necessarily unit basis, but on just an absolute salaries basis relative to where you were pre-COVID with juniority and all that other stuff?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. I think we're going to have a significant amount of retirements as people went out. So when we talk about CASM in 2022 from a cost perspective on all of the groups, we should be down year-over-year from that perspective. So as we go out throughout the year, we're increasing just because from a salaries perspective, we have brought everybody back. So it will increase as we go through the second quarter, but then we should be pretty flat as we go into the third and fourth quarter as we have already brought everybody back for the flying that is for the rest of the year. So it should be - we should be in pretty good shape as we go forward with that. We all have contracts that are up, so it depends on when those negotiations happen. But on a steady-state basis, we'll be pretty flat throughout the rest of the year from a second all the way through the fourth quarter.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie Baker:
First one for Robert. So a question I frequently get is how quickly American can ramp up capacity in the event that an incremental market opens up. And in more stable times, it kind of felt like it was about 3 months between something happening, such as a spike in fuel and flown capacity actually reflecting that change. Where are we today? For example, if the EU announced today that vaccinated passengers are welcome, and I'm not suggesting this is going to happen, what months would we see that additional capacity?
Robert Isom:
So Jamie, I can start and others can chime in. First off, just in terms of market openings, just realize as well, we're dealing with booking curves, right? Much different than the domestic, where so much of the bookings occur within 30, 60 days. For some of these long-haul markets, even for business-related travel, the booking curve is much more extended. So even if markets were to reopen, so much of the actual window for purchasing for the summer has actually passed us by. So we're going to be smart about how we ramp capacity up so that we make sure that we can match a full demand profile with the aircraft. And that actually matches pretty well with the kind of timing that's required to get aircraft in position, pilots in position and cities that have actually been mothballed in so many parts of the world, back up and operating as well. So for us, to be able to actually be able to serve these markets, we're dealing with timelines that are in kind of the 3- to 6-month range. Vasu, you want to add anything to that?
Vasu Raja:
The only thing I'll say is the very specific part of your question, look, in 45 days, we can go and out in the market and sell it and operate it in a way that we couldn't have done before the pandemic. But to Robert's very good point, that doesn't mean that we should or that we would because so much of it is - especially as markets reopen, is what's the best marginal use of the capacity that's out there. And just to add the dose of color to it is that even if so much of Europe opens up right now, the reality is we're, let's call it, 60% to 65% of the way through a historical booking curve for Europe, and a lot of the customers that would have gone there have already booked trips to Hawaii or Florida anyway. So the marginal value of that capacity may be a lot less than what might meet the eye, at least in the American.
Jamie Baker:
Excellent. All good points. And then second question, and this is related to the second quarter guide. It feels somewhat reminiscent of last summer's strategy. And we talked back then about the low marginal cost capacity given PSP and where fuel prices were and why it made sense to fly more than your competitors, right? This year feels like a more calculated decision, less of a sort of grow or die decision to, I think, somewhat paraphrase what Vasu has said in the past. But the question I'm getting from investors is whether this summer's plan is markedly different than when you basically tried something very similar last year. Any thoughts on that?
Doug Parker:
Yes. I'll start, and Robert can chime in. Yes, it's dramatically different. And that - well, first off, last summer, what we saw was what looked to be a real drop in the pandemic rates. And as we saw that we started to add back when we got the second spike, demand fell off, and we adjusted accordingly. So all that was the right decision, it was based on that and nothing else. In this case, we have vaccines and the rates absolutely are falling. And as a result, you see not just us doing this, but virtually every other airline. So anyway, it feels - again, I don't exactly - I wouldn't concur exactly with what happened last July. Last July, we saw rates falling. It shows that capacity when they spiked back up, we pulled it back. Now we're seeing vaccinations resolved, something which feels much more permanent, should that not be the case, you'll see us pull back. We can be very flexible, and we will be. I don't think that will be the case. Nothing about this feels anything close to that, but that's the distinction.
Vasu Raja:
And Jamie, I would just add one thing to that. Building off of Robert's comments in the section, that what you see out there in our schedule is actually really indicative of where the airline is going. 85% of our capacity this summer will be deployed in domestic, almost 95% of it is between domestic and short-haul international. And as you look at it for the last 3 quarters of the pandemic, though we’ve flown relatively more capacity, we've also produced more in nominal PRASM than certainly what any of our network competitors have. But critically, when you look out there this summer, where the capacity is going is really important. But what we call the big 4, Dallas, Fort Worth, Charlotte, Phoenix, Miami, are roughly 65% to 70% of our system capacity. And I'll put a little more color on it. In the first quarter, while our system produced PRASM that was maybe 16% - 15% to 20% larger than what our network competitors were, Charlotte and DFW produced PRASMs that were 30% and 35% larger, with Phoenix and Miami pretty close to the 15% to 20% range, too. So a lot of what you see out there is actually - there's some opportunism in there about flying Saturday-only trips or leisure-heavy trips or things like that. A lot of it is - or as Robert said in his opening remarks, or getting the capacity of this network to market where we can produce outsized value to customers and therefore, outsized RASMs to the airline.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Dan McKenzie with Seaport Global.
Daniel McKenzie:
A couple of questions here. Regarding the plan to prepay $8 billion to $10 billion in debt through natural amortization, does that include or exclude the plan to use surplus free cash flow to prepay debt? And the reason I'm asking is it just seems like American could pay down substantially more than $10 billion over the coming 5 years. And if that's correct, I'm just wondering if you'd be willing to provide sort of a bigger picture number of what that could ultimately look like.
Derek Kerr:
Yes. It does not include anything extra. That's just what we have in amortization going forward. We're not ready to say, but I agree with your premise, that our liquidity is sitting at $19.5 billion at the end of the quarter. We're going to go through the process of figuring out where we need our liquidity in the short-term and where we need it in the long term. And it's not - it doesn't need to be at $19.5 billion. But as we said, until we see sustainable cash production, we're going to hold the cash where we're at and keep our cash levels higher than we need. We will then use that to go do that. So as I said, we have a lot of prepayable debt. So once we're ready, we will go down that process and be able to de-lever more than the $8 billion to $10 billion. But I just wanted to make sure that, that $8 billion to $10 billion number, everybody knows, it's going to happen. It has to happen as we go forward and pay off the debt that's due, aircraft debt, unsecured, things that are going to come due over the next few years. But you're right, Dan. It's - it can be a bigger number, it's just we want to wait till we get through everything, and we're comfortable to move forward.
Daniel McKenzie:
Understood. Okay. Vasu, a fleet that is 10% smaller, so call it 10% less flying. I'm wondering if you can provide some insight on the overhang to margins, say, in 2019, with that portion of the fleet. And the reason I'm asking this question is just based on what American has done on the cost side, based on what you're doing on the revenue side, it just seems like normalized earnings in this next cycle are going to be higher than they were in the last cycle. And I'm just wondering if you guys would agree with that or what do we need to keep in mind?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, some others can speak to what our earnings profile might look like, but you are on to something that we have made this airline materially more efficient through the pandemic year. This summer we'll be almost 150 airplanes down. But in the schedule, we'll only be about 80 or 85 airplanes down. So all of that delta is efficiency. It's inefficient airplane that went away, it’s superior gauge economics, superior utilization, wherever we have it. So if you went to back half 2019, we could fly roughly that same airline with materially fewer jets, and the network would be oriented a lot more to places where we could produce an outsized RASM. So that is very much the conscious design. I mean the whole point to the earlier remarks about the Green Flag Plan is to deliver an airline that can outperform in the future, and we think we've done that, but the proof will be when we do.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Savi Syth:
I wonder if you could talk about how you're thinking about the cadence of capacity as you kind of move away from the summer and kind of - I know there's a lot of uncertainty. But right now, a lot of the demand is being driven by leisure. But should we expect this level of capacity or better as we move into the fourth quarter?
Robert Isom:
Savi, I'll just - look, we're going to be incredibly flexible as we go forward. I mean we've given a lot of detail as to what we intend to fly this summer. If things progress as we hope with vaccinations increasing and then hopefully international markets opening up, and based on what we're hearing from our corporate customers in coming back to work, back into the office and setting meetings and events, we're optimistic. But it really is dependent on the continued containment of COVID and people getting back to business.
Doug Parker:
To Jamie's question, we have enormous flexibility in this regard. The schedule we have built is designed for the current leisure-based travel, that's why we have a 777s flying in the United States. They're not made to do that, it's not going to be happening a year from now. So as international markets open up, that's where those aircraft can be deployed. And - but again, we're going to wait for the demand to come back before we deploy the aircraft there. But right now, I think the team is doing a really nice job deploying airplanes where the existing demand is.
Savi Syth:
Great. And then if I may just follow-up on - partly your response to Hunter's question, just how much of kind of the 2Q costs are related to kind of getting capacity back online versus actually the capacity can be produced in the quarter? I was just wondering, as that kind of - how much is in the number today that might wind down as you kind of increase capacity going ahead?
Robert Isom:
There's really not - I mean, we don't have a lot of costs built into the second quarter for - to get the capacity back up. Most of the aircraft have been ready to go. We will have higher costs, but the higher costs in the second quarter really due to volume-driven costs. So our maintenance costs will be up because our power by hour costs will be up and things like that. But there's no built-in cost to retrain. There's no big built-in cost to get the fleet back up because the fleet is ready to go. Our team has done an incredible job of maintaining those aircraft over the last year and having them ready. We didn't mothball any aircraft. We didn't put them in a desert. We don't have to bring them back and spend a lot of money on engine costs and anything like that. So there's not a lot, I would say, in the second quarter to build the airline back up other than [flying] (ph).
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of David Vernon with Bernstein.
David Vernon:
Robert or Vasu, maybe could you help us understand the cadence of sort of leisure fares? What I'm trying to get at is where we are today in sort of 1Q on a sort of like-for-like distance-neutral basis, for fares versus kind of a pre-crisis level. And then how the fare environment is changing as we move into the summer months? Obviously, we're adding capacity, a bunch of demand coming in. I'm just trying to get a sense for how the revenue management systems are working in terms of setting fares that would be expecting to see in sort of 2Q, 3Q.
Robert Isom:
Okay, Vasu can help me with the real specifics. I'll just say this, though, to kick it off, which is being able to leverage yields is dependent on having base bookings. And from that perspective, as I said in my remarks, we're seeing not only bookings but real load factors that actually allow for some optimism about where pricing is going. So Vasu?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, that's right, David. We have seen an inflection point with yield, which is, for us, any - the thing that we most draw in terms of encouragement. To put some context to it, when we came into the first quarter of this year, our selling fares were roughly half of what they were a year ago. For half of last year's price, you could gain access to the American Airline system. As we go out into the summer, there's something like 90% of where they were a year ago. And indeed, in our leisure markets, and by leisure to be really specific here, we count that as short-haul international and also all the obvious domestic markets, Vegas, Orlando, Florida, things like that, Our seat capacity there is up about 25%. But there our yields are about 95% to 100% - bookings are 95% to 100% of what we were taking a year ago. And so that, for us, as much as anything, is really key because we are in a place now, if you'll notice the commentary, we're not spending a lot of time talking about bookings because in our system, engineering bookings is not the issue anymore. So much of it is about getting yields back and getting RASMs back, especially in our domestic system. As big as we are historically in our network and the way we're shaping it the summer, domestic RASM is key to our success. And given what's happening with traffic, yield is super important. So we are doing all we can to go and yield up wherever we see it.
David Vernon:
So just to clarify, were you referring to 95% of 2020 levels or 2019 levels?
Vasu Raja:
2019 levels, sorry. All my comments is actually 2019. I apologize.
David Vernon:
Yes, that was slightly frightening. Just as maybe a follow-up, Derek. You mentioned before managing the airlines to a little bit lower level of leverage. How do you think about talking to your Board about the financial liability risk when you've got all these unencumbered assets? I think one of the things that maybe surprised a lot of us is that there were a lot of assets that you could tap into for debt and credit. How do you think about managing or measuring that or maybe communicating that to the market going forward so that we maybe have some visibility into additional liquidity that you could tap outside of like the traditional kind of debt-to-EBITDA metric just given the fungibility of the assets that are in the network, particularly if you buy down more aircraft with cash?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. I think, number one, we're not looking for more liquidity. So that's like - the good news now is I come in every day and not have to go look for liquidity. But we will keep everybody up-to-date on the unencumbered assets. And as we look forward and if we have excess cash, we're going to manage it properly to figure out what is the best thing to pay down as we move forward. So we are going to have conversations with the Board on liability management that we're going to discuss, what are we going to do over the next year or 2 years. That if we have excess cash, what do we pay off and what's the best things to unencumber as we move forward. In today's environment, our unencumbered assets are $3.7 billion. They grow every time we pay off aircraft and [EETCs] (ph). We have the first lien capacity of about $7 billion. So we have the ability to do more, but the good news is we're not looking to do more right now as we go forward. So I think the key is, as we move forward, what is the liquidity levels we need to be at, what are the ratios we want to be at as we move forward and how do we best do that over the time period with any excess cash that we have above the amount that we need. And so we'll be having those discussions over the next - every Board meeting, and we'll be discussing that with our Board for a period of time as we move forward through this recovery.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Myles Walton with UBS.
Myles Walton:
I was just wondering, to clarify on the no longer looking to raise liquidity. Would you also be comfortable saying that you have no interest at this point, accelerating the deleverage with additional equity? And then maybe if you can just give us a bit of color on the walk from $17.3 billion to $19.5 billion, and the PSP contribution in there. And if that's as simple as sort of $1 billion underlying cash burn offsetting the PSP?
Doug Parker:
I'll take the first one. And I think I can do the second one also, but Derek can do better. So we - anyway, on the first point, yes, when we say we're not looking to raise financing, we're not looking to raise financing and that includes equity. And as Derek said, we believe - we know that we have just through our normal amortization schedule $8 billion to $10 billion of debt going down over the next 5 years. And as was noted by Dan McKenzie, we have the ability to do a little bit more than that so long as the recovery continues on the path that it appears to because we'll end up with more cash than we needed. So that's how we would choose to de-lever over time. And then again, I'll try to be quick because I'm already talking, but Derek can probably do it better. The - if you - I think what you're asking is, if you have the PSP payments and you look at our cash, you actually see that it's net, not up as much as the PSP. The reason for that is seasonality of - first off, the seasonality of sales is not as strong in the second quarter as the first. And we also - and the debt payments are larger in the second than the first. But even if you excluding debt payments, we're still cash positive in the second quarter, excluding debt payments on that forecast.
Derek Kerr:
Debt and interest.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Derek. So that's what is seasonality. I will use this to go on my little soap box because - this is why, by the way, we - there are GAAP principles. It's because cash flow has a lot of seasonality. So we're going to be - there was a real reason at some point when we were talking about cash burn, cash burn, cash burn because the market had real interest in where people's cash flows were and how much cash they were burning. We're all well past that. And if we keep talking about cash burn, we're going to keep [computing] (ph) people because there's huge seasonality in cash in airlines. There's huge seasonality in debt payments. And when we were - when all of us were making large profits, we still had quarters where we had decline in cash. So that's why you go back to GAAP principles, and include things like accruals and smoothing and matching principles so that you can keep yourself actually know what's going on in the airline. So anyway, that's the soap box. I'm glad we're going to stop talking about cash burn and get back to talking about earnings. But anyway, that's the reason, but thanks for asking.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Stephen Trent with Citi.
Stephen Trent:
I was just curious what you guys are seeing, if you could give a little more color. I think you mentioned that you're going to hire some pilots later this year. Any color with respect to what this could mean from a headcount perspective? And is American planning to apply any ESG-type filters on the hiring as some of your competitors have telegraphed that you want to diversify their base?
Robert Isom:
So yes, look, it's great news that we're looking at hiring pilots later this year. And it's due to a number of factors, most notably that we've had significant retirements over the past few years. So this is going to put us in a position to fly and be flexible where we need to be. From bringing pilots on though, we're incredibly excited about the work that we've been doing, both at the mainline airline and within our regional airlines as well. We also have been marching down the path to ensure that those that are coming into our regional airlines are wholly-owned and also our mainline really represent the face of the country. Most notably, ensuring that we have more women and people of color that are taking the ranks of - the pilot ranks. And so you'll see that we have a [cadet] (ph) program that now has over 350 people in it. That's just going to grow in the future. And as we look forward, we anticipate getting a substantial number of our total pilots brought in through that program. So very excited about where we're headed.
Doug Parker:
And that program is diverse.
Robert Isom:
And that program is, by and large, designed to bring in, again, people of color and females into the pilot ranks.
Doug Parker:
Females and people of color.
Operator:
This completes our analyst portion of the Q&A. We will now move to media questions. [Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from the line of Alison Sider with Wall Street Journal.
Alison Sider:
Yes. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the latest issue with the 737 MAX and whether that creates any challenges for you all in kind of rebuilding confidence in the plane that something else has come off after all the vetting that happened fails to find the latest problem?
Robert Isom:
Aly, it's Robert. Look, I am really pleased with Boeing and the industry. We coalesce around safety. And so with the MAX and - with any aircraft, it's critically important that we take the right steps when there's any potential concerns. And in the case of the 737 MAX and these, at least for us, these 18 aircraft, we have a pretty good idea of exactly what the issue is and the remedies that need to be attended to. So the work that we're doing is with both Boeing and the FAA. We're waiting on a service [Indiscernible] to be developed, air worthiness directors to be dropped and then getting the work done in those aircraft back up in the air. We hope that, that's just in a matter of weeks and not longer. In terms of the impact on our schedule, look, we've been flying the MAX now for 4 months back and incredibly successfully. Passenger reaction has been really that they like the product. They like the aircraft. And as we take a look going forward, even with 18 aircraft out of service right now, there is virtually no impact to our schedule. We've been able to use other aircraft to fund the needs for the airline. So overall, I think we've - as an industry with Boeing and certainly with the FAA, we've made all the right moves, and I have great confidence that this aircraft is going to be in the skies and the safest and most reliable for years to come.
Alison Sider:
Thanks. I mean have you seen any increase in book away on the MAXs that are still flying? Like is there any sign that customers have any elevated concerns?
Robert Isom:
Not at all.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Leslie Josephs with CNBC.
Leslie Josephs:
You mentioned that bookings were ticking up. Of course, looks like a much stronger summer than last year. What are your projections for after summer vacation season starts to wane? Do you expect a lot of that leisure demand to go away? And do you think there's going to be enough business demand to replace it?
Vasu Raja:
Leslie, this is Vasu. Thanks for the question. Look, it remains to be seen. Throughout the pandemic, it's always difficult to forecast or prognosticate that far out. Those things are recovering, that difficulty remains. So it remains to be seen, as Robert and Doug mentioned earlier. Though, for us, the real lever is our capacity. And if things change, we can change with it. Over the last year, we have any number of tools and techniques to go and make the airline pretty nimble and responding to it. So first things first is to manage the summer and then we'll treat fall as it gets closer.
Leslie Josephs:
Okay. And then the bookings that you have so far, are you seeing that they drop off after August or July? Or is there any one point where you see kind of a slowdown?
Vasu Raja:
We're seeing pretty consistent bookings growth throughout periods. Indeed, where bookings are falling is a conscious decision on the part of the airline so that we don't do things like, for example, sell-out Thanksgiving week too soon. But we see continued strong bookings as we go out there. We just want to make sure they're coming in at fares to make the airline stable.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein:
I want to ask first real quick, if I can go back to Alison's question on the MAX, I wanted to see if you have any information or can you comment on if there's the frustration level on the fact that you haven't yet gotten a service bulletin on that repair, which originally, the talk was that those repairs would be fairly simple and straightforward. But now it's been weeks and you don't have anything yet from Boeing?
Doug Parker:
Not at all. That's the FAA's job, and they do it well, and we work really well with them. And as Robert said, we all coalesce around safety, that's part of the process, but at least [not frustrated] (ph).
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay. And if I can also ask, Vasu, if you could talk a little bit about the wide-bodies domestically and what plane you're flying where domestically?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Mary, I can talk a little bit about it. But really, the bigger story on the wide-body is just how - frankly how dynamic the airline has gotten in managing capacity around the system, which is frankly easy to do in the world of scheduling. It's a lot harder to actually deliver it for our customers and do so reliably in a way that they like. And so through the pandemic because international demand is falling, sometimes even as opposed to 45 or 60 days from departure, we've been taking out international flights. But as we've seen strong bookings in, say, Miami or what have you, we've been putting those wide-bodies in there. So a big part of it is very dynamic, and it changes a lot. What we're most encouraged about is wherever we've seen them, indeed, we've been able to deliver it on short notice and per our earlier comments in a way our customers like. Our customer satisfaction scores have indeed never been higher. The only real method beyond that to where the wide-bodies go this summer if they are concentrated disproportionately and what we call hub-to-hub markets, those are markets like Miami, DFW and also our big Sun Belt market, especially in Miami. So we're now in a place where Miami to New York is all on wide-bodies, Miami to Los Angeles on wide-bodies, Miami to Boston largely on wide-bodies, too. So we don't anticipate very many material changes versus what you see on the schedule. But if things change in international, that's a real lever for us. The marginal capacity of that is probably better spent to domestic right now than what it is in most of long-haul.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of David Koenig with The Associated Press.
David Koenig:
I guess this is for Vasu. I wanted to follow-up on what you were saying to David Vernon on fares. The 90% - as you approach this summer, the 90% of 2019 levels, is that due in any part to more business travel? Or is it pretty much just that you can get higher fares from leisure travelers? And then to follow up on that, is that pretty much leisure fares across your system, domestic and short-haul international?
Vasu Raja:
Thanks for the question. And look, to be clear, that 90% or the book yields we're taking right now, there could be any number of factors that impact what they actually come in at once the summer is all said and done. But yes, it is primarily driven by leisure demand growth. We are seeing signs of business growth, but it's coming off of a small base, and it's still a pretty small part of our system total. So most of the yield growth we're seeing is from the leisure travel segment. And frankly, a lot of what yield growth is there is just because we're seeing a lot of cases where, especially on peak holidays and things like that, where, frankly, the demand for seats is greater than supply of seats, and so that's what produces higher yields.
David Koenig:
And that's pretty much system-wide?
Vasu Raja:
No, it's not. Our system is really uneven. It's much more heavily concentrated among our domestic leisure and short-haul international markets.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Dawn Gilbertson with USA Today.
Dawn Gilbertson:
I wanted to ask a question for you, Vasu. The State Department earlier this week raised the travel alerts to their highest level for most countries. I'm wondering if you have seen or expect to see any impact on bookings? And if not, why not?
Vasu Raja:
Dawn, it's good to hear from you. I'll start and others can add. But if you look at the range to be seen in the last, whatever, it's been 48 hours, maybe 96 hours since it's happened, it's been too early to tell what's going on and what its impact to bookings might be. If indeed, there is one, we have ample tools to be able to adjust the airline should it come to pass. But then also the last thing I'll add to it is, from my earlier comments, the way we've configured the airline this summer is very much to make it resilient to just these kinds of changes where 85% of our capacity is in the domestic system, in large part because we realize that the recovery is not just going to be choppy from a demand perspective, but choppy from a market opening perspective as well. And so by building the plan like that is something that we could deliver upon for our team and our customers and create a lot more resilience as the world recovers.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Kyle Arnold with Dallas Morning News.
Kyle Arnold:
I know you have some plans and you announced the plans to start hiring some pilots. Do you guys have any - will there be any need going to the year for other employee groups, flight attendants or groundworkers or gate agents?
Robert Isom:
The answer to that is, yes. And you'll see that throughout our network, and it's especially from a passenger service, a team member or those folks that work on the fleet side of things, we're going to have needs throughout the network, but it's really just based on location needs more than anything else. And too soon to say anything about where we stand with our flight attendants, but I can tell you that I anticipate that there will be a need there as well.
Doug Parker:
Yes. The flight attendants - we have so many of our flight attendants on - this opportunity to take leaves and that what we're doing rather than hiring new flight attendants is bringing flight attendants back from leave earlier than their leave would have extended. So having them come back off of leaves than they would have otherwise. Once we get through that, we'll need to hire, but we're not there yet.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Edward Russell with Skift.
Edward Russell:
Robert, could you tell me a bit more about how many aircraft American needs to reactivate to fly all of its fleet this summer? And what types are still needing to be reactivated?
Robert Isom:
No, we have aircraft that are ready to go. Of course, we had - we're - as Derek mentioned in his comments, we're accelerating our reconfiguration program, our harmonization programs on the 737 and A321. So we'll have some aircraft that are caught up in that. But the way to look at our fleet is that they're all out there and maybe not utilized as much as they will be, but we feel great about the work that our maintenance team has done to keep everything ready to file when necessary.
Edward Russell:
So just a follow-up, you don't have any aircraft temporarily stored anymore at this point? Is that the way to characterize it?
Robert Isom:
Correct. Yes.
Operator:
And at this time, I would now like to turn the conference back to Doug Parker for closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
Fantastic. Thanks, everybody for your interest. If you have any further questions, please let us know. Appreciate your time.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. Have a wonderful day. You may all disconnect.
Operator:
Good morning, and welcome to the American Airlines Group Fourth Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. Today's conference call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And now, I would like to turn the conference to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Dan Cravens:
Thanks, Victor, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group fourth quarter 2020 earnings conference call. Joining us on the call this morning, we have Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also on the call for the Q&A session are several of our senior executives, including Maya Leibman, Steve Johnson, Vasu Raja, Alison Taylor, and David Seymour. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our quarter and the actions we've taken during this pandemic. Robert will then follow with some remarks about our commercial and other strategic initiatives. After Robert's remarks, Derek will follow up – follow with the details on the quarter and our operating plans going forward. After Derek's comments, we will open the call for analyst questions and lastly, questions from the media. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecast of capacity, fleet plans and liquidity. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release filed with an 8-K this morning, as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2020. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP result is included in the earnings press release, and that can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on the website. The information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So, thanks again for joining us. And at this point, I’ll hand the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Dan, and thanks everybody for being with us. So, look, before I begin my prepared remarks, I want to preemptively state that we will not be commenting nor answering questions on the recent activity in our stock price. As a rule, we don't speculate on a day-to-day moments in our share price. We stick to that rule today. So we do a lot – we do want to talk about. So I’ll just start and then Robert and Derek will add some more and we will take questions after that as we always do. So, look, 2020 was obviously an incredibly difficult year, but we couldn't be prouder of what the American Airlines team accomplished in the face of extraordinary challenge. Our team kept the country and economy moving and they did so safely with great care. American Airlines flew more customers last year than any other airlines. And our team did so while running a solid operation, ensuring our aircraft and airport facilities were clean and safe for every customer who needed us. We ended on a high note with the extension of the Payroll Support Program. This positive outcome is the result of the company and union leadership working arm-in-arm, bring PSP2 over the finish line. It's clearly great things come about when we raise our voices together for the greater good. Of course also grateful to our elected officials who recognize that the airline industry plays a vital role in the recovery from the pandemic. We talk a lot about the best days here in American. We use that term to describe moments that make American truly unique and why our team believes it's the best airline in the world. December 24 was that best day for me. We welcome back all of our fellow team members and reinstated their paying benefits. Thanks to our tremendous support teams working around the clock, we were able to deliver thousands of colleagues their first paycheck in months. [Indiscernible] a lot happened in 2020 on top of navigating the pandemic. Yes, we took aggressive steps to permanently lower our costs, increase our liquidity and care for customers in ways we've never seen before due to COVID-19. But we also accomplished significant milestones like entering into groundbreaking new partnerships and reaching a new joint collective bargaining agreement covering our fleet and maintenance columns. And just last month, we seamlessly returned the Boeing 737 Max to commercial service. We'll talk more about the accomplishments shortly. As we sit here today, I can unequivocally state that despite every challenge thrown our way, I've never been prouder of a company in my entire career. The American Airlines team and our industry is incredibly resilient and this past year has proven that. As we turn our attention to the year ahead, 2021 will be a year of recovery. There's still a lot of unknowns of course, when or how quickly demand will return. Make no mistake, it will return. The good news is there are vaccines. And while it will take some time for them to be widely distributed, progress is being made every day and that's encouraging. We don't know exactly when we may return to prior levels of demand. What we do know is that we're prepared to withstand the ongoing crisis, irrespective of how long the recovery takes. We ended the year with over $14 billion of total available liquidity. And more importantly, we've used this opportunity to make American much stronger. When the recovery does occur, we'll be prepared and even better position when we were prior to the pandemic, and we'll do so. I thank our team, our customers and our company. On the team front, we're proud of the progress we've made, especially in 2020. This crisis has brought the American team together, strengthened the relationship between management and our union partners in incredible ways. Since the onset of the pandemic, we've been meeting with our unions every two weeks to discuss the company's response to the crisis and our path forward. And we sit side by side, as you work to advocate for PSP to PSP2. It was a difficult decision to furlough 19,000 team members last fall, we prepared for that reality in a way that was cooperative and collaborative with our union partners. Our hope is to expand what we've accomplished in the past year, knowing that together we can be the best in the industry at advocating and caring for our team. For our customers, we're doubling down on operational excellence. Once we're back at full speed, we're positioned to run the best airline American Airlines has ever run in terms of operating reliability. We reset our network to focus even more on our strongest and best performing hubs and migrated to a much simpler more modern fleet. We talked before about efficient growth in Dallas, Fort Worth and Charlotte, and that work is now done. We continue to modernize our facilities at Washington Reagan and improve the connectivity of Chicago O’Hare, Phoenix, Philadelphia and Miami. And we're building a much stronger network than we had before. In addition to the inherent strength of our hubs, in 2020 we established new and innovative partnerships with Alaska and JetBlue. It'll make us stronger on the West Coast and in the Northeast. We also noted a lot over the past year to make American a much more efficient airline. We had a truly unique opportunity to shut down the worst airline in the world and rebuild around our strengths. It's enabled us to bring forward and accelerate a number of efficiencies in 2020 that were originally planned for the longer term. And we are passionately pursuing those efficiencies as we recover through 2021. Derek will elaborate on this in his remarks, but two of the best examples are the permanent retirement of more than 150 aircraft in five different aircraft types, and a 30% reduction in our management staff. We believe the efficiencies we built in the business will drive more than $1.3 billion of permanent, non-volume related, non-fuel related savings in 2021, and of course, beyond. So in summary, we could not be more proud of the work the American Airlines team has accomplished over the past year. We're very well positioned and feel great about where American is going to be as demand returns. With that, I'll turn it over to Robert.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. I’d like to also thank the entire team for their tremendous efforts in navigating the exceptionally challenging year. Supporting our team members and customers was paramount in 2020, and it continues to be a priority as we move into 2021. We continue to expand our pre-flight COVID-19 testing to make travel easier, including pre-flight testing for certain international destinations and at-home testing for travel to all U.S. cities requiring negative tests. In the fourth quarter, we began to rollout on the digital health passport, VeriFLY, so customers can easily confirm testing and COVID-19 travel requirements and streamline airport check-in. This tool is now available for travel to many international locations and for travel in the United States. Starting today, customers also will have the ability to use VeriFLY for travel to the U.S. to the UK and Canada, as we will continue expanding our use of VeriFLY this year to open up new – to open up international travel in key markets. With cleanliness and safety top of mind, last month we were pleased to achieve STAR certification from the Global Biorisk Advisory Council for our entire fleet of aircraft and for our Admirals Club lounges. This is a testament to the effect of cleaning, disinfection and infectious disease protocols we put in place over the past year. As customers return to skies, we've taken a number of steps to give them flexibility and competence when they book with American. We have eliminated change fees on both domestic and international itinerary, and fees from mileage reinstatement on canceled award bookings, domestics same day travel standby, standby travel, and reservations booked by phone. We also made it easier for top-tier customer to earn advantage elite status. Paused mileage expiration through June 30, 2021 extended 2020 status into 2022 for all members. Each of these efforts is predicated on our philosophy that American Airlines should be the easiest airlines to do business with. And we'll continue delivering on that commitment as more people return to flying. Our fourth quarter revenue was down considerably versus 2019, 64% year-over-year. But we saw improvements compared to the third quarter when revenue was down 73% year-over-year. The momentum we saw heading into the fourth quarter was tempered by the surge in COVID-19 cases and the increased travel restrictions in many parts of the country. As we have done throughout the pandemic, we responded by making closing adjustments to our schedule, while maximizing the connectivity of our network. In a testament to our team that our fourth quarter passenger unit revenues were by far the best in the industry. We will continue to be flexible and match our future capacity with observed booking trends while playing to the strengths of our hubs and the parts of the country where travel demand is greatest. And in here over two-year basis, we currently expect our first quarter system capacity to be down 45%. The recent CDC order to require a negative COVID test for entering into the U.S. has had an impact on our international bookings. So many countries and hospitality providers are planning to make testing available to travelers. The timing and scale of these efforts remain unclear. Given this continued demand volatility, we’ll remain as flexible as possible and match capacity to demand. Our ongoing engagement with leisure operators will pay dividends as we head toward recovery. I want to acknowledge our sales team and an entire customer organization for their work. This team was recently named Airline Partner of the Year by the American Society of Travel Advisors and the Best Overall Airline for Students and Youth by StudentUniverse, which are both important accolades during such a challenging year. Cargo remains a bright spot for our business. Our cargo revenue in the fourth quarter was up 32% year-over-year. Despite flying a significantly reduced schedule, in 2020 American operated more than 5,200 cargo-only flights transporting 167 million pounds of critical goods and supplies around the world during the pandemic. Cargo will continue to be an area of focus in 2021. We remain optimistic about the recovery because of the changes that we've made to our network. We will offer customers the largest and most compelling global airline network thanks to the actions taken in 2020. We will have the full run rate benefit of our advocates in Dallas, Fort Worth and Charlotte, our best performing hubs, and we'll have a fantastic new facility at Reagan Nashville that will enable us to update the hub. By the third quarter of 2021 all of our DCA flights will have a first-class product, but we will eliminate the 50-seat regional jet operations there. Our pre-simplification, continued, updated and improved conductivity will also scale the cost of our other connecting hubs that improve their revenue generating capabilities as well. Our new partnerships with Alaska and JetBlue will also create the best and largest network for our customers on the West Coast and in the Northeast. Customers will have access to a seamless network that allows us to focus our efforts on what we do best. In New York, we will remove the 50 seat regional jet, upgrade our service and offer a much more competitive network for customers. As a result, we will launch new long-haul international flights from New York this summer. We will start service to Tel Aviv and Athens. Similarly, we are working with Alaska on the West Coast. In this year when demand returns, we will begin service from Seattle to London, Chennai and Bangalore. We have also announced a new integrated frequent flyer offering and have signed new corporate contracts. This partnership is already creating value for customers throughout the West Coast, including our hub in Los Angeles. Lastly, while we anticipate international demand will be slower to recover, we will use our strength in Latin America and our partnerships to create a leading international network. Our Latin American network has long value, deeply valued by our customers and its performance during the pandemic has been stand-out. Despite near-term demand volatility, we expect Latin America to recover sooner than the rest of our international network and we will continue to offer customers the largest and most comprehensive network in the region. We rationalized many parts of our transatlantic and transpacific networks during the pandemic, reintegrating more deeply with our partners. As an example, with our partnership with Qatar Airways, we've been able to leverage Doha as a global connecting hub, which has opened up many new markets for our customers. If demand recovers, we anticipate leveraging these partnerships to start flights and increase global connectivity even more. We believe the structural changes we made in 2020 will enable us to produce industry-leading revenues and lower expenses, through our focused customer proposition, broader network in a smaller fleet. We will continue to adapt our business to customers need and we'll keep working hard to make sure that they have peace of mind when they travel. And with that, I'll turn it over to Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Robert and good morning everyone. Before I begin my remarks, I would also like to thank our entire team for their tenacity and resilience throughout the pandemic. While 2020 was a certainly a financial difficult year for the airline, the collaboration, teamwork and sheer grit our team demonstrated was impressive. This morning, we reported a fourth quarter GAAP net loss of $2.18 billion or $3.81 per share. Excluding $32 million of net special non-operating items we reported a net loss of $2.21 billion or $3.86 per share. For the full year 2020 we reported a GAAP net loss of $8.9 billion and excluding net special items we reported a net loss of $9.5 billion. Robert talked about what we're seeing with the revenues, so I'll focus my remarks on the cost side of the P&L. Through aggressive actions, we have reduced our fourth quarter total operating expense including net special items by 37% versus 2019. We remained focused on aligning our cost with capacity, while preserving the maximum amount of flexibility to respond to customer demand. We have accelerated several of our long-term efficiency plans and as Doug mentioned, we are on track to permanently remove at least $1.3 billion from our cost structure in 2021 MBR. At the end of the fourth quarter, we had approximately $14.3 billion of total available liquidity. Costs were flat from the third quarter to the fourth, and we continue to see a positive trend in our daily cash burn weight rate, which improved from approximately 44 million per day in the third quarter to approximately 30 million per day in the fourth quarter. The reduction was due to revenue improvements on higher capacity. As a reminder, our definition of cash burn includes 8 million per day of regular debt, principal, and cash severance payments. During the quarter, our treasury team did a phenomenal job of continuing to strengthen our liquidity through a series of capital market transactions. We raised approximately $1.5 billion of incremental cash through two equity transactions to strengthen our balance sheet composition. And we still have $118 million left on our previously announced after market equity authorization. I would like to take this opportunity to specifically thank our recently retired Treasurer, Tom Weir. Tom has been an invaluable member of our team for more than 20 years, his expertise will be missed but I am confident our new Treasurer, Meghan Montana and her team will pick up right where Tom left off. During the quarter, we took delivery of 10 MAX – 737 MAX aircraft and we expect to take another seven in this quarter. These aircraft were built while the MAX was grounded and were efficiently financed through sale-leaseback transactions. Also, as a reminder, we reached an agreement with Boeing to secure deferral rights on eight of our 2021 MAX deliveries and all 10 of our MAX deliveries in 2022. We have deferred five of these aircraft to-date and as I mentioned in last quarter to avoid exercising additional deferral rights, we would need to see substantial improvement in the demand environment. As Doug discussed in his opening remarks, as we look ahead to a recovery in 2021, we are passionately pursuing the initiatives we have put in place to make the airline more efficient when we are back to a normalized demand and capacity environment. Like all airlines, our planning begins with our fleet. As we have mentioned on previous earnings calls, we have worked hard to rebuild our fleet into one that is simpler and much more efficient to operate, while offering our customers a consistent and improved product and experience. As part of that process, we have retired more than 150 older non-core aircraft including five total fleet types, lowering our average fleet age to 11.2 years, the lowest of the U.S. network carriers. Not surprisingly, the aircraft that we exited were the least cost efficient aircraft in our fleet. With only four mainline aircraft types remaining, we will see improved aircraft utilization and operational efficiencies in the back half of 2021 through the increased engage, reduction in inactive aircraft, including spares and maintenance allocations. Additionally, we have further accelerated our seat harmonization project and now expect the entire project to be complete by the end of 2021. When this work is done, we will have a more consistent product with more premium seats, larger overhead bins and in-seat power. These projects will provide significant opportunities that not only improve revenue production, but also lower our unit cost now and well into the future. As a result when demand conditions improve, we could eventually reach 2019 levels of capacity with approximately 10% fewer aircraft. We will also have a more efficient workforce on the other side of the pandemic. We reduced our management size by one-third, resulting in an estimated $500 million of permanent cost reductions. For reference that would drive more than entire pretax margin point on our total revenue base for 2019. Beyond that, we have implemented $700 billion in additional labor efficiencies that have been incorporated into our plans going-forward. These includes, but not limited to optimized staffing plans and the utilization of technology to be more efficient across our operation. For many of our work groups, these initiatives will allow us to achieve the best productivity levels that we have seen in years. Many of these projects would have come to fruition over time, but due to the extraordinary circumstances in 2020 we took the opportunity to accelerate and implement these efficiencies as part of our future foundation. As we looked in the first quarter, there continues to be a tremendous amount of uncertainty with bookings. Stubbornly high COVID-19 cases and more stringent travel restrictions continue to constrain demand. And as a result, we expect the first quarter demand environment to be very much like the fourth. As Robert noted, we expect capacity to be down 45%. We also expect total revenue to be down approximately 60% to 65% versus the first quarter of 2019 similar to our fourth quarter results. When this flat revenue performance is combined with known cost pressures from higher fuel, restoring pay to our furloughed workers and volume driven expenses, we expect our first quarter pretax earnings excluding special items to be lower than the fourth quarter. We presently expect to end the quarter with approximately $15 billion in total available liquidity. This results in an average – first quarter average daily cash burn rate of approximately $30 million per day flat with the fourth quarter. The first quarter also includes approximately $9 million per day of debt principal and cash severance payments which includes $360 million EETC amortization, including the maturity of our 2011 dash one EETC, which unencumbered 30 aircraft. Also included in our daily cash burn for the quarter is a $240 million contribution to our pension and $225 million in non-aircraft CapEx. In terms of our balance sheet, we feel good about the flexibility in efficiency we have. Approximately 40% of our outstanding debt is pre-payable without penalty and we still do not have any large non-aircraft debt maturities until our $750 million unsecured bond matures in June 2022. After all the COVID related financings we completed in 2020, our average cost of debt is just over 4%. For guidance for the full year of 2021, our debt payments will be $2.9 billion. And our pension payment is $695 million. Full year CapEx will be $900 million of non-aircraft CapEx and due to our negotiated settlements with Boeing discussed earlier and attractive aircraft financing, our net aircraft CapEx including PDPs will be an inflow of $1.2 billion. As we have previously stated when demand recovers we expect to use all excess cash to further de-lever our balance sheet. Earlier this month, we received the first installment of approximately $3.1 billion of PSP2 funds from the treasury department and negotiated an extension on the final draw date of the CARES Act loan facility from March 26 to May 28, 2021. This extension gives us more time to decide our liquidity needs for the year based on the pace of the recovery, as well as to evaluate alternatives to drawing the CARES Act loan. Our industry still has a long path to recovery ahead, but the actions we have taken in American to conserve cash both through liquidity and drive permanent efficiencies across the business give us confident that we are well positioned for the year ahead in the long-term. And with that, I'll open it up to questions from the analysts.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from the line of David Vernon from Bernstein. You may begin.
David Vernon:
Hey, good morning, guys. I’m wondering if you could help us frame what the cost actions you guys have taken and the efficiencies that you guys pull forward through this crisis. Frame how that – how we should be thinking about EBITDA margins in your perspective from a 2023 or maybe a 2024 level? If you think about the $1.3 billion of non-operating cost takeout, plus the efficiencies in the fleet, if we get the revenue levels that we saw in 2019, where should we be thinking the EBITDA margins will shake out at that point?
Doug Parker:
Hey, Dave, it’s Doug. Really hard, of course, to project what the 2023 margins are going to be without knowing how the demand is going to be. So again, when I think for best answer as I tell you, the $1.3 billion, as we described is real sustainable. I think what we when other ways taken that is if we were starting 2019 right now with this fleet, with lane of organization, this management, we have a management team, our earnings in 2019 would have been $1.3 billion of that – consistent and other things to happen, we’ve added. We had a contract with our – so begin out with – those adjustments. But it’s real – and it’s fundamental difference in the airline right now. So you can use that to make your own 2023 projections.
David Vernon:
I realize it’s difficult and nobody knows what demand is. I guess in our conversations with investors, it feels like people are framing your earnings power off of the 2019 base. When it sounds like with the fleet changes you’re making and with the cost reduction that you’re taking, that’s too low of a starting point. And I guess I’m just trying to understand if that is the right way to think about it, or if you think that the earnings power of the businesses is going to be materially higher or higher than it was, again, assuming the revenue environment stays…
Doug Parker:
Right. So again – yes, Dave, we can appreciate the question. It’s really hard to figure out the margin because it’s so dependent on revenues. But to answer your question, to the extent people are modeling 2023 with whatever revenue assumptions they want to do, if you weren’t – if you didn’t know that American Airlines is going to be $1.3 billion more efficient, you should go with your numbers. If you have already suspected that, you don’t have an adjustment to make. That’s where we are. Those are the real differences in the way this company is now structured versus where it was in 2019.
David Vernon:
All right. Thank you for the time.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Dave.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Savi Syth from Raymond James. You may begin.
Savi Syth:
Hey, good morning, everyone. Just if I might on the cost side of things, can you provide any color on like 1Q 2021, what you’re expecting on the OpEx side, including what might be temporary because of PSP2? And just a follow-up on, Doug, your comments, the response to David, I think are you basically saying the 2019 capacity, we should see $1.3 billion less and kind of non-fuel OpEx out of the system. Is that a fair way to look at it?
Doug Parker:
Yes.
Robert Isom:
Yes. And Savi, the answer – I mean, the one number that we do know is the number added back to salaries is about $300 million, which is the amount of money that we will have higher salaries due to PSP2 coming back. The other is volume. I think fuel price is definitely up, fuel price, and we gave you a 45% capacity. So I think if you calculate where the price of fuel is now, and that capacity increase, that fuel should be up right around $300 million where the curve is today. And then we have a little bit higher regional expenses because we’re growing the regional little bit by about $100 million. So those are the key – the three key things. The rest is just depending on volume of growth that we have over the fourth quarter.
Savi Syth:
That’s helpful. All right. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Savi.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Mike Linenberg from Deutsche Bank. You may begin.
Mike Linenberg:
Yes. Hey, two here. I guess Robert and Doug, Robert, you sort of alluded to the fact that the new testing requirement that went into effect, I guess earlier this week, it was obviously having some impact on maybe bookings to/from Latin America, Caribbean, et cetera? What’s thoughts on – I know that the administration this week floated the possibility of domestic testing. And I just logistically – I just – I can’t get my arms around that and I’m not even sure if the airports would be able to facilitate it. Maybe it’s an at-home type product. And it sounds like maybe you are gearing up for that, given what you’re doing, sort of behind the scenes. Can you just talk about that and whether or not that would even be feasible?
Doug Parker:
Hey, Mike, it’s Doug. Yes, we’ve certainly haven’t been informed that something that’s evidenced. And what we know is what Robert said about the international testing is that we’re getting that to work. And Robert said it’s had an impact on demand serving on short-haul international flying, but we’re supportive of that in anyway. Domestic testing as reasons you’ve stated, I mean, it seems like something that would both be difficult and would have us testing Americans on airplanes that we all know are safe to be on. We’ll obviously work with the administration and what they think makes sense and do our best to make sure the world doing everything we can to make sure that people are safe, and also that we get through this pandemic as quickly as possible, which is our best interest, but also let them know what kind of impact that would have on travel. But again, the bigger point is we haven’t – what you say has been floated has been informed to us. And so we haven’t heard anything directly from regulators or others about that possibility.
Mike Linenberg:
Okay, great. Very good. And then just a quick one to Derek, you gave us the gross, or you gave us the pension contribution for the year, I think you said $695 million. How does that compare to what you anticipate expensing on the P&L? Thanks. Thanks for taking my questions.
Derek Kerr:
So the expensing on the P&L is actually a credit. I think it’s – but let me get you back on that number. Make sure we’ve got it right.
Mike Linenberg:
Not a problem. Thanks, everyone.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Mike.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Catherine O’Brien from Goldman Sachs. You may begin.
Catherine O’Brien:
Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for the time. So my first one is on the $1.3 billion of the cost cuts. I guess, could you just walk us through what some of the larger buckets are there? It sounds like fleet simplification, management team are decent – management cuts are decent percentage of that. I know you gave the $500 million for the management headcount reduction. And then you touched on this a bit in your prepared remarks, but can you help us think about what proportion of that was – event it was pulling forward initiatives already laid out versus maybe potentially some new opportunities that came from turning over additional stones as a result of COVID?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. I would say, I mean, the two big buckets, as I talked about are the $500 million in management and then the $700 million in other labor, and that goes through all groups. So, it goes – it say, as you get the summary – it’s through every group pilots, flight attendants, maintenance, fleet service. So as we look at every group we looked and see how can we be as efficient as we can in each one of these as we brought the people back. So there’s no – the biggest item definitely is management and that’s the $500 million and the $700 million goes in other things. We have a bunch of other items that are in that. There’s facilities consolidations, fuel efficiencies, benefits, a lot of other items that we have gone through to make sure that we’re as efficient as possible. We do have other savings that are out there that due to volume will be down, but we’ll have to see if those are permanent over time and whether they come back. So I would say, we did take advantage of this, do some of this earlier. All of it was on our plans over the next probably three years, but we brought all of that forward. And as we went through the process of unfortunately having to furlough people and as we bring people back, how do we be as efficient as possible and that’s what we’ve done. Dynamic manning at the airports, single agent boarding at airports, all of that stuff has been accelerated through this process and will be put in place as we grow back.
Catherine O’Brien:
Got it. Understood. And actually maybe one more for you, Derek. Can you just walk us through the calculus in determining how much cash you want to get on your balance sheet for the coming months, just given the uncertainty? Is there a new minimum you want to have until demand gets back to a certain point and you just kind of factor in your expectations on cash burn to help decide on potential incremental raises? Or is it really just more opportunistic, either use equity to pay down debt in the future or keeping a pulse on the market, see if there are opportunities to raise both expense and debt…
Derek Kerr:
Yes.
Catherine O’Brien:
Yes, thanks.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I think – I mean, we don’t have any requirements other than $750 million in 2022. And then we do have some payments, some term loans and stuff that come up in 2023. So right now we’ve gotten ourselves at the end of this quarter. We will be at $15 billion, a significant amount above the $7 billion we had in the past. So I think the liquidity is there. But we have to keep our policy and we have to keep watching it, see where the recovery is. But we are going to be opportunistic. Our biggest – we talked about the government loan, which we have $7.5 billion against the frequent flyer program for that government loan, which we would have to pull by May of 28. The determination of what do we do there is one of our – one of the biggest things we’re going to do in the next few months. But we’re happy with the liquidity level where we’re at. We’re in a really strong position. We don’t have a lot of CapEx coming forward in the next two years at all. As I talked about our actual net CapEx is positive this year, which will bring in cash flow for us. So our biggest thing to look at right now is the government loan, how do we refinance that. Actually, we haven’t pulled it yet. So how do we – what do we do for using that collateral and how much liquidity do we raise in that transaction. But we’re really comfortable where we’re at. And we don’t have a lot of commitments going forward from an aircraft standpoint or CapEx standpoint or debt standpoint in the next two years.
Catherine O’Brien:
Understood. Thanks.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Hunter Keay from Wolfe Research. You may begin.
Hunter Keay:
Hey, good morning, everybody.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Hunter.
Hunter Keay:
Hey. A couple for you, Derek, probably, what’s the latest on the 787 delivery schedule for this year? And just can you just give us a rundown on what you’re planning for aircraft deliveries this year and next? And how many of them you already are financing in place for?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. Yes. So we have right now we haven’t changed the delivery schedule on 787 yet. We have 19 deliveries coming this year, all fully financed. And as of right now, they’re coming, but we are talking with our partners on those aircraft. The MAX, we have eight more coming, seven will come this quarter, all fully financed. And we have 16 neos coming, all of those fully financed. So our actual net aircraft CapEx, when we just talk about CapEx it’s actually a positive. So those aircraft coming in will be positive cash flow. Next year, we have 26 Airbus 321s coming in. No financing. We have backed our financing on those, but no permanent financing yet. So we’re working on 2022. We won’t take any aircraft that don’t have financing going forward. So we’re fully financed on all 2021 with really good financing and we still are looking at 2022 right now. And we will look – as we look at the Airbus planes next year in the 788s, we’ll continue to look at those aircraft as we talk to manufacturers.
Hunter Keay:
That’s super helpful. Thanks, Derek. And then, just two sort of quick clean-up ones. Interest expense, can you help me out with that this year and next will be great, even 2023, if you want to take a stab at it? And then what is your blackout period? And thanks.
Derek Kerr:
This is number two. Blackout period ends today or tomorrow.
Hunter Keay:
Okay.
Derek Kerr:
And I’ll get back to you on the net interest expense numbers.
Hunter Keay:
Okay, great. I’ll leave.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Dan McKenzie from Seaport Global. You may begin.
Dan McKenzie:
Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. Question on corporate demand, the broad view is that it’s permanently impaired. And I’m just wondering if you can elaborate on the latest conversations with your corporate travel managers, what that path to recovery might look like? I’m pretty sure there’s no airline planning for 50% permanent decline in the spin. And I’m thinking Americans got some share shift here. But I’m just wondering if you could just help us connect the dots on this part of the recovery story?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Hey, Dan, this is Vasu. I’ll start into that. Look, the reality is that corporate travel demand is down, 5% to 10% of what its historical levels were. And though, we are very optimistic it will then return as vaccines are distributed, the timing, the speed, the rate of that is unfair at that. But also as important as that is the thing that I really never forget, I mentioned this a lot I’ll do it again here is the power of the network business, right? For us it’s the primary value we create. And we create more origin and destination markets for customers that creates more value for them and that results them – they’re paying us more for that product. And indeed, what we see right now is that 50% of the revenue that we’re drawing are from origin and destination markets, where really American Airlines has the best network or in some cases the only travel option. And indeed, the yields in those markets are 50% higher than in markets where our product is the most commoditized and a ton of different carriers can provide the O&D. So that’s a huge degree of leverage in the business because, of course there’s a big thing we have going for us is that we can move our capacity around. And so in a world where corporate travel is slowed to come back and we should expect that it is. What we really try to do is make the airline as limber as possible so that we can go and create as much connectivity where there is travel demand. And that something – in some cases that we are taking leisure – we’re taking it in some cases, where our origin and destination network is uniquely advantaged versus other airlines and the yields that we see in those O&Ds are materially higher than what we can generate even from what the business travel is there and really commoditized.
Alison Taylor:
Yes. Thanks, Vasu. One thing really close to our corporate travel managers and their risk management team to get all the information they need to feel comfortable to get their travelers back on the road and how you think that most of guys doing that and building confidence in travel through information and communication. We also stayed very close to GBTA and the other large association who provide great communication to these travel managers. Little early to say, but as you saw some of the surveys coming out from GBTA, they did indicate the back end of 2021, the start of COVID travel. Thank you.
Dan McKenzie:
Yes. Thanks for the perspective. I guess just following up on that, I’m wondering if you can elaborate a little bit more on travel passport initiatives. What countries are you focusing on initially for adoption? And I appreciate, it’s early. But, is there a read on what is going to take for these – for countries to get a little more comfortable with this idea, maybe COVID metrics or what might they want to see?
Alison Taylor:
Unless we’re with our great partners, we don’t do this alone. So working with the tourism body, or our hotel partners, we have been able to spend very quickly in 90 plus markets, testing and posts. We have our VeriFLY help format that provides all the documentations you’re ready to travel. You bought the tickets, you can go. And actually as an example that on Tuesday with thousand plus truckloads coming back from [indiscernible] to the U.S., everyone checked in and boarded successfully and had their negative tests. So we’ve been able to similar techniques through communication with our customers and being very proactive without notification and calling customers directly and working on the brand across every station led by Jose Freig, who has done a great job making sure that with our brand we’re ready to help our customers.
Dan McKenzie:
I see. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Dan. Thanks, Alison.
Operator:
Our next question will come from the line of Jamie Baker from JPMorgan. You may begin.
Jamie Baker:
Hey, good morning, everybody. Very thorough call. Most of my questions have been answered. But Derek, you disclosed that you’re able to achieve 2019 capacity on 10% of your aircraft. Would you be able to express the capacity base that would be required to get you back to 2019 ex-fuel CASM? Apologies, if I missed that in your prepared remarks.
Derek Kerr:
Capacity base meaning air – number of aircraft?
Jamie Baker:
No. ASMs. And if 2019 is even the correct base to be using, that’s just sort of become the industry standard at the moment. How much capacity do you have to operate to get back to 2019?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, what we’re trying to do it – I mean, obviously, we’re not back to those levels yet and we don’t know when we’re going to be back to those levels. All we’re trying to do is equate to the fact that if we did get back to 2019 levels, we could do it with a significant amount, fewer aircraft, because we got – we don’t have to add a bunch of aircraft to get to those levels. Our spares are down, our maintenance allocations are down, the MAX has come back, which were down in 2019. So we have a significant amount of utilization increase and gauge increase in our fleet, so that we would not have – in order for us to get to 2019 levels, the point is that we would not need anywhere near as many aircraft to get to those levels because of those things. Whether that’s the right point it’s a level that we know and that we were at back at that point in time, hopefully, some day in the future we will be ahead of those levels.
Jamie Baker:
Sure. Would you have a corresponding ex-fuel CASM number that would then equate to the 2019 capacity?
Derek Kerr:
No, we don’t have that right now. Yes.
Jamie Baker:
And second, I came into the call mark and I also curious on with the net proceeds of PSP were going to be in it. And I think you answered this in response to Savi’s question. So is the $300 million in incremental labor the only thing we net out? Or were there any other additional operating costs?
Derek Kerr:
That’s what you would net out.
Jamie Baker:
Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Take care.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Jamie.
Jamie Baker:
Thanks, Doug.
Operator:
Our next question will come from the line of Helane Becker from Cowen. You may begin.
Helane Becker:
Thanks very much, operator. Hi, everybody. Thanks for the time. Doug, you’ve been very close to Washington and you’ve done a lot to get this PSP in place. Has there been any discussion, and maybe it’s too early in the new administration, about changes going forward once we get post-pandemic to capital controls or anything else that would ensure the industry remains solvent in the event there is another crisis?
Doug Parker:
No. No, we have not. No, we certainly haven’t asked for that. So nothing like that, Helane.
Helane Becker:
Okay. That’s very helpful. And then, that was my main question. And then the other thing is when you look at the fleet with, I think, you said eliminating five types and down to where you are now, and having 11.5 years. How does that compare from an ESG perspective? Like what will your – if your carbon goals were to be half by 2050, what would the new goals be now? Like where would you be in say 2030 or 2035? Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Yes, I’ll try, Helane. The goals we already have in place are required things like this improvement. So you’re right. This is helpful to younger fleet, this is helpful to environment in terms of – and we at American have done a lot in that regard already, where we have the youngest fleet now it gets slightly younger even though years go on through this. So we’re proud of that. But that’s a big part of our commitment to get to carbon neutrality is continuing to have a moderate fleet. We’ve done with these retirements.
Helane Becker:
Okay. That’s very helpful. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Helane.
Operator:
And our next question will from the line of Joseph DeNardi from Stifel. You may begin.
Joseph DeNardi:
Yes. Thanks. Good morning. Maybe a question for Doug or Derek, following up on Hunter's, do you feel comfortable from a legal standpoint selling stock into this market? And how quickly can you increase your – I guess, your authorization?
Doug Parker:
Yes, Joe, there is kind of others reference coming on, again, to Derek comment on other stuff. So I'll first comment on. Again as [indiscernible] we still have $118 million left on our previously announced after market equity authorization. And if we choose to do anything more than that, we obviously will need to inform our investors. But right now, that's what we have to tell you. There's $180 million on the ATM equity authorization. And whether or not we choose to do that or feel comfortable doing that, we can't talk about.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay. And then Vasu, can you just quantify maybe what gauge looks like on the other side of this relative to pre-COVID? And then if you could just walk through the four geographic entities and speak to maybe the structural impact to capacity based on the fleet actions, if that makes sense? Thank you.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. We indeed, we will be getting a material on updating. And as you probably hear from Derek's comments, by the time we get to December, we have the ability to produce 2019s level of capacity on about 110 fewer airplanes. And that will be gauge increase of about 4%.
Joseph DeNardi:
Got it. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Andrew Didora from Bank of America. You may begin.
Andrew Didora:
Hey, good morning, everyone. All of my questions have already been answered. But just one for one for Derek, I know you're talking about a net cash flow in from CapEx, can you just give us the gross aircraft CapEx number, how much financing you're assuming there. I'm just trying to understand the bridge to that inflow number. Thanks.
Derek Kerr:
Yes. Gross aircraft CapEx, it's about $1.1 billion as the aircraft CapEx for the MAXs and NEOs. The 787s are fully-financed and direct leased to us. And that aircraft is approximately about $200 million, so positive. So we will over-finance those aircraft that are coming in and then we have as part of the settlement, we have some difference in our PDPs schedule that goes forward. So that's the difference between the $1.2 billion and the $200 million.
Andrew Didora:
That's perfect. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sheila Kahyaoglu from Jefferies. You may begin.
Scott Forbes:
Hi, it's actually Scott Forbes on for Sheila. I was wondering if you could maybe elaborate a little bit more on the fleet. I mean you removed 150 aircraft from the fleet. You're going to come out of this with the youngest fleet among the network carriers. I mean, can you talk about maybe how that plays into your planning for the recovery with its route structure and how you're thinking about the competitive environment, post-COVID?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. This is Vasu. Indeed, I think you gathered it from our remarks. We would be able to produce similar level of capacity much more efficiently than what we could before. It doesn't necessarily mean that we will do so, that's all going to be a function of demand. But a lot of what you see is really the schedules that are out there flying right now. The strongest parts of our network, all of our core connecting hubs in Charlotte, Chicago, Dallas, Phoenix, Miami, Philip, we'll continue to be that way and be it with larger gauge airplanes we can operate there much more efficiently, right. We can stay other expenses on more seats, but also by having fewer departures in there, it's more efficient and reliable product. We were shutting fewer and fewer departures to the airspace. The biggest parts of our network, as Robert mentioned in his opening remarks that we have struggled and are really showed up through our partnerships with Alaska in the West and JetBlue in the Northeast. And through those we anticipate the combination of those partnerships plus larger gauge airplanes in a more efficient fleet will enable us to go and do things like say 50 seat regional jets out of those markets, which are uniquely high cost, but also really challenge to airspace. And so, at large, we can go and provide more connectivity into the system, provide a better, higher-quality network for our customers and do it in a much more efficient way than what we would in 2019.
Derek Kerr:
And Vasu, I'll just add that every time we move one of those 50 seaters out, we're bringing in a two-class product, obviously, with a first-class action as Wi-Fi and engine power as well. So it's a much more compelling offer to our customers and we're really looking forward to.
Doug Parker:
Great. Thanks, Scott.
Operator:
Thank you. And at this time, I would like to give the media a moment for questions. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Mary Schlangenstein from Bloomberg News. You may begin.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Mary. Mary?
Operator:
Mary, your line is open.
Mary Schlangenstein :
Sorry, I was on mute. Thank you. Hey, Doug, I know you were a little hesitant to talk about demand further out into the summer. But I'm wondering if you could talk about what you guys are seeing now in terms of spring break demand? Do you expect that that's just going to be a non-event? Or do you see travel demand picking up a little bit maybe around that period?
Doug Parker:
We will allow Vasu to give you that, Mary. Thanks.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Hey, Mary, good to hear from you, Vasu at end. And look that what makes demand and forecasting so uniquely challenging in these times is that, 75% of our booking curve happens inside of 45 days. So really so much of spring break is kind of a question mark right now. And there is different tailwinds and headwinds for what might happen with demand there right now. What we have seen, as Robert mentioned in his comments is that, since there have been more restrictions on international travel, our international bookings have roughly halved in the last seven days versus the first two weeks of January. It remains to be seen how much that trend holds certainly, a lot of our travel partners out there are working hard to go and bring testing online. And so we'll see how that goes for us. The biggest thing is to remain as nimble as possible and how we plan the airline, and we'll continue to do that through the first quarter and beyond.
Mary Schlangenstein :
Great. Thank you very much. I had a quick follow-up. I noticed that you guys mentioned the DoJ and the Attorney General of New York looking into the JetBlue Northeast U.S. alliance. I'm wondering there have been some others filing objections to that. And I'm wondering if your expectation is that you may have to gear up for some kind of a second round of review by the DoT more heavy to go to a greater efforts to get that thing finally in place.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Mary. I'll give it to Steve Johnson to have that one.
Steve Johnson:
Hi, Mary, how are you doing today? Let me start by saying that both the Alaska and the JetBlue alliances that we've announced are profoundly pro-competitive and can create enormous benefit for consumers. And that's why we like them, that's why we did it and that's why we're so excited. And our partners are so excited about implementing those. But as you know, the Department of Justice has over the last, I guess, 12 or 13 years, looked really hard at all of the agreements between airlines, including all the mergers, taken a really good look at those. And that's what they're doing in connection with our JetBlue alliance. That investigation is going to continue. My suspicion is that they're going to allow us to be implemented and see and you take a look and determine whether the benefits that we promise actually do materialize. And if they do, I think we'll be fine.
Vasu Raja:
Hi Mary, the only thing I'd add to that is that, we are working very ardently both AAL and all of our partners to deliver on exactly that. We anticipate in the first quarter, we will be rolling out some pretty comprehensive frequent flyer and connectivity codeshare with customer. And in second quarter, we anticipate being able to start ramping into new markets such as Tel Aviv and Athens, and certainly with JetBlue starts the process of deeper schedule integration.
Mary Schlangenstein :
Great. Thanks very much.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Mary.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Alison Sider from Wall Street Journal. You may begin.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Alison.
Alison Sider :
Hi. I was wondering if there's been any discussion yet about what will happen after March 31 with the employees that have been recalled, if you're able to say yet whether they'll be able to stay on or if there is discussion at this point about another round of government aid.
Doug Parker:
Yes. Thanks, Alison. Anyway to state the obvious – April 1 is approaching and demand hasn't gotten much better by then. So we are definitely going to need to address this unless demand starts to pick up. We're already talking to our unions about things we might be able to do. But anyway, nothing really to report yet, other than what we had hoped, which is the demand would have picked up, maybe not so much by April but into the summers that we would be ramping up for the summer, hasn't happened yet. So we find ourselves with April 1 approaching, being concerned about this. Our unions being concerned about all work with them. I know our unions are already talking to the administration and Congress about with the current proposal to – for stimulus to be included in there. We would obviously be supportive of that. So that’s what I know right now, not enough to tell you but just telling what we know which is something we're going to need to address here before too long.
Alison Sider :
Thanks. And on the management side, I know you mentioned just the cost savings of all the reductions in staff on the management side. But I guess do you worry at all at some point about brain drain? Is it hard to recruit new people into the airline, just given the state of the industry right now?
Doug Parker:
Definitely. We're telling that we got brain to drain, we've got an amazing team here and frankly that those are here are engaged to do amazing work, and if anything we find ourselves, working more efficiently and better together just because there's not enough, not in terms of – not people be doing inefficient things. So I feel really good about where the team is right now. We certainly have issues like all companies do in these times, to make sure we're doing the right things to keep people engaged and retain. But so far so good. We really have an amazing team in place. It's working better together than I think we ever have, and continue.
Alison Sider :
Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Alison.
Operator:
And our next question comes from the line of Dawn Gilbertson from USA Today. You may begin.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Hi, good morning, everyone. Hey two questions, the first one for you Doug, I know this proposal was just floated, but I'm unclear and you're not the only one who had said this, why you support international testing on flights but not domestic? And my second unrelated question, I'm not sure who it's for is. Can anybody give any color on what you're seeing at international airports, especially in Mexico and the Caribbean in the first few days of international testing requirements? Any problems that have cropped up anything you've had to do differently? Thank you very much.
Doug Parker:
Yes, I'll take the first one and give Rob the second one. Again we support international testing because that's about getting more people to be comfortable flying across borders. And we have worked with regularity with the administration to make that happen on very shorter. So and indeed hopeful of doing so that allows the administration to get comfortable with Airline or just to be more open allowing people from here to, for example, to begin traveling to the United States at some point. So anyway we worked together, supported with that. I didn't actually say that we weren't supportive of doing something more expansion in that. What I said is, we haven't heard – we haven't been asked to do. If we do, we certainly would want to make sure it was something that wouldn't restrict demand. We have seen drops in demand, of course, on short-orders especially and anyway, so we need to work with the administration to see what and if indeed. There are – any thoughts about doing something at down for having American supply within America. It certainly seems like, we would like to see what if indeed there is anything there you have also just said has been floated. No one has talked to us officially about doing that. If they do, from our best to work with them make sure we can stress how safe it is to fly, and – which I know and they're improving that and we want to make sure that our customers feel comfortable in flying. Robert?
Robert Isom:
Yes. And Dawn, thanks for the question. The biggest challenge is getting word out to people that the new testing requirements have to be complied with. And to that end, we've done a terrific job of getting word out through every imaginable channel and what we found, as Alison mentioned a little bit earlier, our largest international destinations these days are kind of good. We've had – on the first half of the box, nobody seems whatsoever, all passengers they're basically boarded. So, we've also done tremendous work in all international locations and making sure that testing resources are available. And so, yes, we're seeing some customers show up without the necessary proof and we're re-accommodating them as required. But we're getting out fortunately with all the work that we've done to put tools in place like VeriFLY, the digital health passport. We're doing a pretty good job and we're going to be able to handle this.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Thank you very much.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Dawn.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Leslie Josephs from CNBC. You may begin.
Leslie Josephs:
Hi, good morning, everyone.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Leslie.
Leslie Josephs:
What are your pilot feeds and pilot training needs for summer 2020 with Delta calling back 400 pilots. Do you expect them all, including the 1,200 plus that were furloughed to be active by summer? And then, just another question on capacity going forward with these partnerships. Do you expect American continue to or do you know the percentage of how much American will sort of outsource some of this capacity, thanks to these new partnerships.
Robert Isom:
So I'll try to take both. So just in terms of pilots, the question is how much you are flying? And so to that end, it's a question mark out there. As demand comes back we know that over the long run we will have a home for all of our pilots, certainly those that have been furloughed in the past and hopefully that we will be able to keep everybody on board. And just because of the pilots and retirement age, we anticipate that we will be hiring pilots in the not too distant future. Now, second question was in terms of …
Leslie Josephs:
And having not playing your own metal versus –
Robert Isom:
Oh, yes, in terms of – yeah, thanks for that as well. The relationships are not about outsourcing any shape or form. It's all about better utilizing those assets we have in finding ways in the long run for growth for us. And these partnerships are really creative in that sense that they're going to be able to allow American Airlines to do what it does best, both domestically and internationally. So prospects in terms of the work that we do for the long run is very, very bright.
Doug Parker:
Yes. And as a team that we are really pro-consumer and what that means is that, you're going to generate more demand just because we can connect with each other. So we think that's actually more flying for American Airlines – more bigger airplanes and smaller airplanes for example in New York because we're able to compete better against other airlines who have larger networks in those areas we do.
Leslie Josephs:
Okay. And just one follow-up, do you have any expectation of how long American will be so domestic-focused versus a pre-pandemic global network?
Vasu Raja:
Well, hey, this is Vasu. And right now, a lot of what you see in our asset footprint is more just we're operating with where indeed there is demand. As you go and look out there and now March schedule – sorry, February and March schedule, you'll see that Latin America network that we're operating is indeed in many cases larger than what was there before the pandemic because that is the place where we see demand, and heard Alison and Robert comment, a place where we see a lot of testing getting stood up pretty quickly. And so for us, international will really be a function coming back. Again international bring that will be really a product of where demand is and how that test can get ramped up.
Leslie Josephs:
Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Tracy Rucinski from Reuters. You may begin.
Doug Parker:
Hey Tracy.
Tracy Rucinski:
Hi. Good morning. Hi. So, given the strong rise in shares this morning, are you planning an equity offering or anything to de-lever the balance sheet?
Doug Parker:
Yes, Tracy. So we said at the start of this comment on the recent stock price movement. What we did say is that $180 million of authority on a previously announced after market equity authorization and as well, we might get in the future we can talk about.
Tracy Rucinski:
I apologize. I missed that.
Doug Parker:
That's okay. There are lot going on now. Thanks, Tracy.
Tracy Rucinski:
Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Bye.
Operator:
Our next question will come from the line of David Koenig from The Associated Press. You may begin.
David Koenig:
Hey, guys. Good morning everybody. At the risk of maybe rephrasing something that you're kind of getting at in what Mary and Dawn's questions. I wonder if you can talk about how much travel restrictions, including what we saw from the U.S. this week. And how the travel restrictions are changing your view about the pace of recovery this summer? And then secondly, what impact would you see if there is a testing requirement for domestic flights?
Doug Parker:
All right, Dave. I'll try it. So first off, travel restrictions, again, international has resulted in reduction in demand for international travel. But as we say couple of times now, we expect that to improve as it becomes easier for people get those tests, which is happening already. And certainly it will have an impact on demand and customers need to present a positive test to travel and we're seeing that particularly in the short-haul international travel things like Mexico and the Caribbean, non-U.S. Caribbean destinations. As it relates to any other travel restrictions, things like mask mandates, we've been doing mask mandates well before it was mandated by the government, we intend to keep continue doing that way. It was great things. We will continue to do so anything we want to make sure that the government doesn't put in place, exemptions other than the ones we have with children of two years old. So we are huge proponents of mask mandates, huge proponents of what the administration is trying to accomplish, and that's what we've been asked to do so far, we are asked to do more. We'll do aim to impress, our desire to let right now we have a shared objective, which is to get the P&L behind as fast as we can, allow our country to keep moving. In the meantime people are driving from state-to-state, and they're flying from state-to-state. They're doing so safely. And we just want to make sure that we continue that to happen with the goal of making sure, we get rid of the pandemic as soon as possible. I know the administration shares that goal and I suspect anything we come up with will be consistent with that.
David Koenig:
Okay. Thanks. I think that's more concise. And you must have an opinion though about what impact do you see if there is a domestic flight testing requirement?
Doug Parker:
I have to say what I understand, I was with them.
David Koenig:
Okay. All right. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. And that ends the media Q&A. I'll turn it back over to Doug Parker for any closing remarks.
Doug Parker :
All right, thank you very much for your interest. We will meet again. Just going to proud of our team on what they're doing. It gives great confidence as we go forward. I know everyone interested in how fast, things will rebound. We don't know the answer to that. We've done it well. But when it does, we're going to be there ready to take care of people when they want to travel. And we're ready to withstand, how long it may take because of the great job Derek and team have done to get our company to its financial position. Thanks for your time.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Good morning. And welcome to the American Airlines Group Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, all participant lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct the question-and-answer session [Operator Instructions]. And now, I’d like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens. Please go ahead.
Dan Cravens:
Thanks, operator. Good morning, everyone. And welcome to the American Airlines third quarter 2020 earnings conference call. In the room on the call this morning, we have Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, Chief Financial Officer. Also on the call for our Q&A session are several of our Senior Execs, including Maya Liebman, Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; Vasu Raja, our Chief Revenue Officer; Alison Taylor, our Chief Customer Officer; and David Seymour, our Chief Operating Officer. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our quarter and the actions we’re taking during this pandemic. Robert will then follow with some remarks about our initiative. And after Robert's remarks, Derek will follow with the details on our liquidity and cost outlook. After Derek’s comments, we will open the call for analyst questions and lastly questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecasts of capacity, fleet plans and liquidity. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but there are numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2020. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and that can be found in the Investor Relations section of our Web site. A webcast of this call will be also archived on our Web site. Information that we’re giving you on the call is as of today’s date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us. And at this point, I’d like to turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Dan. Good morning, everybody and thanks for joining us. So there is no doubt, this continues to be an unprecedented time for our entire industry, our team and our customers. At American, we continue to take actions so we can manage this pandemic and position our airline for success when demand returns. So I'm going to start with a quick summary of our results for the quarter, which were improved early in the year but still reflecting extremely challenging environment we're in today. Our third quarter pretax loss excluding net special items was $3.6 billion. Our revenues were down 73% year-over-year. In this environment, we continue to focus on controlling what we can, reducing costs and cash burn are at front and center. In total, we removed approximately $17 billion in costs from our business, and our cash burn rate declined markedly versus second quarter. We ended the quarter with a proforma liquidity balance of approximately $15.6 billion, which is much more liquidity than we've ever had before and more than double where we began this year. And customer confidence is gradually beginning to return. We continue to evolve in this new era of travel. The foundation of all that of course is our incredible team. These are difficult times for sure and we couldn't be prouder of how the American team is handling this situation. Our team is out there keeping our company moving, safely transporting hundreds of thousands of people around the globe every day. And we're doing an excellent job of generating revenue in this environment, which is making a difference both for American Airlines and the United States in general. That's why it’s so difficult to see our October 1st pass without having the payroll support program with the CARES Act extended, both in support of our team and the commercial aviation infrastructure, it's going to be critical to an economic rebound. There's enormous bipartisan support for an extension but unfortunately, our elected officials still haven't been able to get it enacted, because they've been unable to agree on broader COVID relief legislation. So without the extension we had to furlough 1,900 of our team members beginning October 1st and we did continue to service numerous markets around the country. We remain hopeful that our elected officials can come together on this important legislation on behalf of our team, our industry and working Americans in our economy at large. Elections matter but there's nothing pulling higher than support for a COVID relief stimulus package. And PSP extension will be an important component of any such package. Robert and Derek is going to talk more about our results and our path forward. We know that every action we took in the third quarter, centered around on our aggressive plan to bolster liquidity, conserve cash and ensure that customers can fly with complete confidence when they travel with American. On the liquidity front, American, as I said, ended the third quarter with approximately $13.6 billion of available liquidity and $15.6 billion when you pro forma for an additional $2 billion and authorized capacity through the CARES Act loan program, which was finalized just this week. And also this morning, we announced, on top of that authorization to issue up to $1 billion of equity in an aftermarket offering. As a conserving cash in this environment, we're focusing on what we can control. To that end, we've been -- we worked relentlessly to rightsize all aspects of the airline. This has been done primarily through cost savings resulting from reduced flying and long-term structural changes to our fleet and our infrastructure. We continue to realize the benefits, both financially and operationally, accelerating the retirement of more than 150 aircraft from our fleet. And thanks for these efforts, I look gradual improvements in the revenue environment. We continue to bring down our daily cash burn. Our burn rate improved by approximately $14 million per day during the third quarter from $58 million down to $44 million, and we expect our fourth quarter burn rate to be improved even more to between $25 million and $30 million per day, and we expect that number to continue to drop going forward as demand for our travel continues to gradually improve. Also during to the third quarter we continued our focused plan to capture the travel demand that does exist. Remarkably, one in every three domestic passengers flew in an American Airlines flight during the third quarter. And if we could say one thing to every American Airlines customer is that it’s safe to fly. Others have shared this data as well but certainly worth repeating, IATA we estimates that 1.2 billion people flown so far in 2020 and among that group, there are only 44 cases of COVID-19 in which transmission is believed to have been associated with air travel. So it's clear that our efforts are working as an industry, even with our team members, being on the front lines and working through the pandemic to support our communities and serve our customers. Our team has a lower rate of COVID-19 infections than the national average. And notably, we've seen fewer cases with our airborne team members, our pilots and flight attendants than with our other work groups. And I’ve personally been flying multiple times every week and I see it everywhere I go, the level of cleaning, the safety measures and the diligence from our team and our customers. It’s truly incredible and we are greatly appreciative. So in closing, we know we have a long road ahead of us. But our entire team remains fully engaged and we couldn't be prouder of the amazing work they're doing each and every day. We're focused on not just getting through this pandemic, but making sure we're prepared to succeed as demand returns and we're highly confident that we're going to adjust that. So with that, I'll turn it over to Rob. So with that I'll turn it over to Rob.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. I want to second my appreciation to the entire American Airlines team. Despite this year’s remarkable challenges, they continue to rise to the occasion and delivered for our customers and each others when it's most needed, and we're incredibly grateful. Taking care of our team and customers continues to be our top priority. We're taking additional steps in recent weeks to provide customers further peace of mind as they returned to the skies. We upgraded our clean commitment by adding SurfaceWise2 to our safety program. SurfaceWise2 is approved by the EPA as a long-lasting product to help fight the spread of the novel coronavirus, and it will be applied to America's entire fleet in the coming months. We've also made travel easier and less complicated by eliminating change fees and allowing customers to stand by on earlier flight on the same-day at no charge. These customer-focused initiatives, along with changes to our basic economy product and new advantage leap benefits, give travelers tremendous flexibility when they fly American. Additionally, we launched a new travel tool to help customers quickly see the current COVID-19 travel guidelines for domestic and international destinations. As we entered the third quarter, the U.S. saw an increase in COVID-19 cases, which was followed by a slowdown in demand. We responded quickly and efficiently in a way that maintains scale at our largest connected hubs in DFW and Charlotte. Our approach has paid off as evidenced by our passenger revenue results. Notably, DFW and Charlotte were our best performing hubs year-over-year. Our cargo team continues to do outstanding work driving revenue and supporting the global economy during the pandemic. We more than doubled our cargo only flying from August to September and operating more than 1,900 flights, serving 32 destinations during the third quarter. To date, these cargo flights have helped our customers move more than 85 million pounds of critical goods around the world amidst the COVID-19 outbreak. And despite a nearly 60% reduction in system capacity in the third quarter, our cargo revenue was effectively flat year-over-year. During the quarter, we started to see signs of a slow but steady recovery in passenger demand. Although domestic net bookings finished the quarter down 50%, this was an improvement from the first part of July when bookings were down 80%. During the month of September, 45% of domestic flights had a load factor greater than 80% compared to just 25% in July. As we look ahead with one third of our flights being actively managed by our yield management system, we see improving yield curves in the coming months. And we aren't just waiting for customers to come to us, we're taking steps to reopen markets to travel through pre-flight COVID-19 testing. Testing options are now available to customers traveling to Hawaii and Costa Rica, with Jamaica and the Bahamas following soon. And we're engaged in efforts to expand that program across the Caribbean. These testing programs are important because they will ultimately help to reopen markets by further inspiring confidence in travel. The pandemic has changed our business in many ways that we could have never expected but the American team has reimagined how to deliver a safe, healthy and enjoyable travel experience for our customers. Pre-flight COVID-19 testing is a great example of that and it's going to be an important part of advancing the industry's recovery from the pandemic. Our approach to fourth quarter capacity is straightforward. We'll continue to focus on our large connecting cuts at DFW and Charlotte and to put capacity in markets that are showing positive recovery, such as the Sunbelt, Mexico and the markets that are opening in the Caribbean. We expect our fourth quarter system capacity to be down slightly more than 50% year-over-year with long-haul international capacity down approximately 75% year-over-year. While we're encouraged with the trends we're seeing in our net bookings, we'll continue to remain as flexible as possible and let demand serve as our guide for future capacity levels. As we look across the competitive landscape, we believe there is no network better positioned than Americas. First, our network is big in the markets where customers want to go. With our Sunbelt hubs in Charlotte, Miami, DFW and Phoenix, we have seen demand resilience throughout the pandemic. This combined with our easy access to mountain and sea destinations provides an outlet for customers to redefine the meaning of working remotely or just get away. Secondly, we have the best short-haul international network with the largest presence in Mexico and the Caribbean. Demand for this region has been strong. And based on current trends, we expect our fourth quarter revenue for this region to reach 70% of 2019 levels. Third, now is the time to be creative and find smart ways to strengthen our hubs in key markets. With our recently announced domestic partnerships with Alaska and JetBlue, we are raising the competitive bar and expanding our network in an asset-light manner while providing customers with more choice and a world class product. Importantly, our extensive engagement with leisure operators is delivering results in the segment that is leading a recovery. And to that end, American was recently named Airline Partner of the Year by the American Society of Travel Advisers for the second year in a row. So in conclusion, we remain committed to making sure our customers feel safe and comfortable and have flexibility when they travel. As we continue to manage the current environment, we remain focused on being flexible and nimble in all parts of the organization. And with that, I'll turn it over to Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Robert, and good morning, everyone. This morning, we reported a GAAP net loss of $2.4 billion or $4.71 per share in the third quarter. During the quarter, we recognized $540 million of pretax net special items. Net special items included a $2.1 billion credit resulting from the payroll support program financial assistance, which was offset in part by $875 million of severance costs associated with our voluntary and involuntary headcount reductions and $742 million fleet impairment charge. Excluding net special items, we reported a net loss of $2.8 billion or $5.54 per share. With the prolonged decline in passenger demand, our primary focus has been to ensure we have the financial strength for a range of recovery scenarios. We have moved quickly to raise incremental liquidity, reduce cash burn and become as efficient as possible. On the revenue front, our third quarter total revenue was $3.2 billion, down 73% year-over-year on a 59% reduction in total capacity. While our revenue was down materially, it was nearly double what it was in the second quarter. We expect fourth quarter to be down approximately 65%. While our current booking trends are positive, they're still down significantly and we continue to plan for a slow recovery. As Robert mentioned, we expect our fourth quarter capacity to be down slightly more than 50% year-over-year. We have worked hard to rebuild our fleet into one of the more efficient to operate and offers our customers a consistent and improved product and experience. Our team has been actively engaged with Boeing and Airbus to provide flexibility in how we manage our fleet, giving us ample opportunity to adjust as demand conditions warrant. As announced this morning in our earnings press release, we have reached an agreement with Boeing to secure deferral rights on 8 of our 2021 Max deliveries and all 10 of our Max deliveries in 2022. If the deferral rates are ultimately exercised, these aircraft can be deferred to the second half of 2023 through the first quarter of 2024. To avoid exercising these deferral rates, we would need to see substantial improvement in the demand environment. During the quarter, we finalized a series of sale-leaseback transactions to finance our remaining A320 aircraft deliveries in 2021. As a result, we now have financing for all of our planned aircraft deliveries through 2021. As we have spoken about in the past, our long-held strategy has been to drive efficiencies through the simplification of our fleet. With the permanent retirement of our A330-200 fleet announced this morning, we now have only four aircraft types in our mainline fleet
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Brandon Oglenski of Barclays. Your line is now open.
Brandon Oglenski:
Look, I know it's a really difficult environment right now, and a lot of airlines are still burning through cash. But as we look forward, this is a real ability for the industry to rebuild itself and more specifically, American. But I guess, what is the strategy going forward, guys? Because you will have a pretty large debt balance. And I think competitor down across the city there won't have that much and a lower cost structure. So in that type of environment, how do you navigate to differentiate and have the ability to pay down debt and be profitable? What's the new American going to look look like?
Doug Parker:
We're going to be more efficient. That's for certain. We're using this opportunity. It's really -- it's horrific as all this is, it does provide some amazing opportunity to think largest airline in the world and effectively shut it down and build back on that, that makes sense. We've done things like reduce 30% of our management. We're not going to bring that back. We've accelerated the retirement of 150 aircraft and aircraft types that aren't going to come back. So and more and more, like as we do and as we build back the schedule, we're going to build back flying that is profitable and take out a lot of what used to exist that was less so. So we feel really good about how we will emerge from this, both vis-à-vis where we used to be and vis-à-vis our competitive positioning. We do indeed have higher debt levels we did before this because we had gone and modernized our fleet. So that's behind us. We don't have, as Derek noted, large amortizations in the near term. We certainly don't think once we to where we're generating cash, you're going to see us needing to do any more in terms of raising more. And we'll do as we move to cash positive as we'll use those proceeds to pay down the debt. And I think you'll see from our competitors. But we feel really good about our ability to compete in the future as the industry gets cash positive, and as American gets cash positive, we'll use our proceeds to pay down debt first.
Brandon Oglenski:
And I guess if we are going to be a more leisure-oriented market for a few years, is there a fear that the fair structure in the industry could walk lower? Do you think you're going to have a cost structure to compete in an environment like that?
Doug Parker:
Yes, of course. Because we have a route network it can do that. I’m going to get Vasu expand more or Robert. But the reality is we have a huge competitive advantage in terms of our ability to connect customers around the United States and internationally when that rebounds the sub and spoke network of ours that there’s many other carriers can’t compete with, couple can but not all, that’s a great revenue generator. We of course will need to have our cost in line with that. Like I said, we’re going to get our costs down through the efficiencies I spoke. But now, again, like I said, our cash burn number now is being similar to where our competitors are. As the industry gradually rebounds, we’ll rebound at a similar rate. You’ll see our cash levels, and therefore, our earnings -- our cash burn levels and our earnings rebound as the industry does. Vasu, anything else you want to add…
Vasu Raja:
What I'd just to add to it, Brandon, is look those exited historically thought business and leisure is having a very different yield performance as across our system that is not always the case indeed in our airline business style revenue, there's a people who don't stay at Saturday nights, midweek travel, single person in the itinerary about a third of our revenue but only about third of that comes from the large global corporates that are most likely to delay travel. And even -- so one, we're actually less exposed to that historically have been than what may mean BI, but two, the replacement value that traffic is very different for American Airlines and our largest hubs, such as Dallas Fort Worth, Charlotte, the non-corporate traffic that's on the airplane can often produce yield that are between 70% to 75% of the corporates but indeed the non-corporate yield that what you might call the leisure yield in some of these hubs outperformed corporate yields in some of the big coastal metro areas that are there. So really the strength of the American Airlines business is that so much of what we do we create connectivity for customers that really wouldn't exist if it weren't for American Airlines flying in some of these markets. So that's a core attribute of our business model. That will be something that takes us through this crisis and will absolutely be part of what powers the revenue production of the airline on the other end of it.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Mike Linenberg of Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.
Mike Linenberg:
Hey, good morning, everyone. Two very quick ones here. Derek, the $25 million to $30 million of burn. What is that number if we were -- or you could just tell us roughly what -- is the piece that's related to debt interest principal payment and severance? Just to do an…
Derek Kerr:
In the fourth quarter, it's $8 million. It's the same in the third and fourth quarter. So it's $8 million in principle and interest payments in that $25 million.
Mike Linenberg:
And then just second, you guys have done a nice job on the cost side, pulling down costs, I think ex fuel profit -- ex fuel and specials I think you’re down about 30%. What do you feel -- where the things shake out for the fourth quarter, given the fact that you will have a bit more people off the table, et cetera. What should we be looking at?
Derek Kerr:
We had reductions in costs as we look at, it was 40% in the third quarter. And as we add --we're adding back a little bit of capacity. So we said 59% down in the third quarter and close to 52%. So we add probably a little bit of cost due to capacity coming back in. So we should be in a similar range, maybe 38% -- 36% to 38% range cost down in the fourth quarter.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Joseph DeNardi of Stifel. Your line is now open.
Joseph DeNardi:
Derek, you talked about balance sheet flexibility and efficiency and your ability to pay down debt, you need to generate cash, obviously, to do that. Part of that is [CapEx]. So if you want the market to better appreciate your ability to repair the balance sheet, can you provide some visibility around CapEx over the next few years?
Derek Kerr:
Yeah. As we look at CapEx, I mean we've already pulled down '21 and '22. So we were at 17 and we pulled $800 million out of '21, we pulled $200 million out of '22. So we would be at about $1 billion dollars is the run rate and we can take that lower also. We just -- right now we're at that run rate and we and we definitely can take it lower if there's -- if we need to. From a CapEx perspective, we're sitting at about $1 billion in 2021 and about $1.7 billion in 2022. Now I also said that we have deferral write down aircraft and we can push that, that would reduce those two CapEx numbers out in the years. And as you know, we don't have many deliveries in '23 and '24. So the CapEx profile is much, much smaller than we've had over the past years and we will be able to use that cash that was going to buy aircraft and integrate the airlines and for paying down debt.
Joseph DeNardi:
And then thought why was American’s earnings power and margins so much lower than peers pre-COVID and why will that change on the other side of that? Thank you.
Unidentified Company Representative:
I think its a great question, and there is a range of answers for it. But I will at least pick on one that we are experiencing emerging in the trends right now, which is just how we adjust capacity across our network. As you look at 3Q results right now, our relative PRASM performance in the system is strong versus our competitors that kind of an empty victory in the environment we're in but it's an important lesson. Because what we see right now is that about 75% of our airlines capacity is in our four biggest hubs. And if those hubs were producing basically what we see today 30%, 40% RASM premiums to the industry. Our smallest hubs that we see today are 10% of our capacity and still producing around the deficit. While in the old days that was a much bigger mix. The things that weren’t outperforming on a RASM basis were in some cases as big as Dallas, Fort Worth, our largest hub. So look what that means for us is as it relates to an earlier question is that as we come out of here, one of our really guiding principles is that we will produce a revenue premium to the industry. The way we go about doing that is first and foremost that we worry more about organic assets in the markets where we can produce an outsized level of value for customers, which as we see today produces an outsized level of revenue for the airlines that too through many of the partnerships that we’ve created, not just with Alaska and JetBlue but with British Airways, or IAG, or JAL, or many others around the world in markets where we can't produce outsized customer value alone. We're going to work with these partners to make sure that we produce that value and get the returns that come with it. And third and very important too, we need to go and increase across our commercial divisions, give our customers really good reasons to want to fly more and have some more, which sounds very simple and indeed it is. But we think that by doing that there's a real path out of it where American can produce at a different level than it might have before.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Helane Becker of Cowen. Your line is now open.
Helane Becker:
If on the stimulus program, if nothing's opened and people don't travel by March, won't the industry be in the same place as it is now and need more stimulus money? Isn't it better to work with governors to open, and then get more stimulus money rather than getting it now?
Doug Parker:
Helane, again -- let me separate two things. Stimulus of course, entire COVID repay is what has stimulated the economy. I think it’s really important. And I think the sooner the better, I think our country needs it and that would help in many ways too, I think. As to the payroll support plan extension, that’s not about stimulus in our view, that's about keeping critical infrastructure in place. That's about the importance of the airline industry to that economic recovery is entirely what the PSP program was put in place to do. What it does is it has airlines keep more people employed than we would otherwise. Basically existing demand has us serve markets we wouldn’t serve otherwise, it’s basically existing demand. And the concept was that the government as a pass through gives money to airlines to pay those people and to fly those flights that we wouldn’t fly otherwise. So as the economy returns that critical infrastructure is in place. I think that's good policy. I think it’s been great policy up to date and I think it’s good policy that should be extended. And I'm not alone in that and there’s enormous bipartisan support for that, for exacting those reasons. It's not about getting money into airlines. It’s about making sure that critical infrastructure stays in place. So yeah, I think that's really important to keep in place now. I feel that absent an extension you will see some of that infrastructure decline. And as the economy looks to rebound, we won't be prepared as well as we should be to facilitate that rebound. So that's what it's about. And so therefore I don't think it makes sense. We’ll have that critical infrastructure get harmed or to go lower again, like I said, we’re not alone on that than others. Virtually everyone we talked to that agrees that should happen. So I guess part of the question -- there’s another question we sometimes hear, which is well okay that's all well and good. But if things won’t be better six months from now that you're going to need it again. I don't think so. I happen to believe we're seeing now even in this environment gradual return of revenues. We expect that to continue. I think six months from now certainly you'll see a better environment than we have today irrespective of what may or may not have happened as it relates to the pandemic itself, because people are getting more and more comfortable with travel and cities are opening up and business is returning somewhat. So I think six months from now that certainly we’ve got -- and from an airline cyclicality perspective, we'll be headed into a summer, which is always -- has higher demand. So anyway at least our view any way is that six months and PSP extension would be the less PSP extension you would need to keep that infrastructure in place. But after that we're not going to be in a good position to do what people want us to do, which is to be here to help the economy rebound.
Helane Becker:
And then my other question, how many aircraft are actually being scheduled right now?
Unidentified Company Representative:
Helane, the easier way to do it is how many how many airplanes are we not flying, and that that number is the order of magnitude of about 200 jets. We have a couple of airplanes that fly on relatively lazy like good. It makes some of the maintenance of the operations of the airline easier [Multiple Speakers]…
Doug Parker:
200 out of…
Unidentified Company Representative:
Out of 1,350.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Hunter Kay of Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.
Hunter Kay:
Derek, your revenue in 3Q was like $3.2 billion. What were your cash receipts maybe net of refunds in the quarter?
Derek Kerr:
Revenue was about 75/25 from a revenue perspective. So we did burn some of the store value during the quarter. Our ABL still has about year-to-date about $4.9 billion at the end of the third quarter, and there's about $2.5 billion that is still stored value that was from refunds and other things that were given out during the early part of COVID.
Hunter Kay:
And then I’ve had a question for Alison actually. I'm asking you this question given your comment of the importance of TMCs and the press release you put out with the new Sabre deal. How much did you spend on TMC commissions in 2019, just roughly? And how much is your budget -- how much are you being given to spend on agency commissions in 2021 and 2022, relative to what you said about the importance of agencies as business travel recovers and of course obviously the elephant in the room, the competitiveness of the corporate travel landscape that has evolved over the next couple of years.
Alison Taylor:
So, it's a tricky one for our TMCs and our agencies, and we believe and always making sure our agencies are accordant partners for us, but there’s still a tight important new corporate business. We’re still working out what that would be, because as you know we still are looking at the return of corporate business on the hope of the larger contracts global accounts being later in '21. So it's little hard at the moment to predict what those commissions will be. Although, I would say it continue to be important for us and we believe once again they will be robust partners in the latter half of '21. We are also working with them to open up markets like the cargo between the UK and the USA. And so they are also facilitating in those markets, it’s something as the important initiative for them.
Derek Kerr:
So Alison with the kind of charter, we haven't gone through the budget process for 2021 and we will go through that process and figure out the right amount that we need to do for -- to get the corporate back.
Doug Parker:
Yes, and Hunter, just one thing. Given our scale of American and our ability to serve corporate customers, it is really American that is out there increasing commission rates in an effort to attract business travel. So don't think you will see that would be the case in the future for that but we do all the major match others are and we need to be competitive. But it’s not happened and Alison is not but one who is out there creating up commissions in general.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Jamie Baker of JP Morgan. Your line is now open.
Jamie Baker:
Couple for Derek presumably and first based on the October 1st furloughs and the accompanying service suspensions, what's the estimated level of cost savings there either on a quarterly or annual basis?
Derek Kerr:
I think we’ve got as we put together how much of savings we have got from a management perspective, it was about half a billion dollars that we had in the management side of things. The amount from efficiencies and other things that we got out from some of the management -- some of the labor was about $400 million. So from a headcount perspective, we're right around billion dollars of permanent efficiencies and headcount from those two areas. So on $17 billion, a billion of it is definitely stuff that doesn't come back. Fleet reductions is another area where we will see significant savings. And then the other part is as we add back in the cost, as Doug said earlier, as we add back in the flying how do we do that more efficiently to drive those costs down, and keep most of the -- keep everything we can from the savings that we've had in 2020 permanent as we move forward.
Jamie Baker:
But the aircraft savings, I mean, you're not counting that as part of the PSP exercise. I mean what I'm getting at is that in the event of another round of PSP, certain costs are going to be added back to the P&L but then effectively taken out by the PSP. So what I'm really trying to calculate is what impact PSP would have on liquidity. So your air craft comment is helpful, but that's separate. Correct?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, that is separate from PSP. PSP is all headcount related.
Jamie Baker:
And we should be assuming, so your net number on that was about a billion annually. Correct?
Derek Kerr:
With the amount of reductions from furlough, that's about $1 billion, $1.5 billion annually.
Jamie Baker:
And then again, so on the planned retirement, I guess you're out of five aircraft families all together? What level longer term of cost, is that permanently removed? And if your estimate net of any revenue inefficiencies, maybe this is question for Vasu, that might occurs since you all just had somewhat fewer options in terms of aircraft gauge?
Derek Kerr:
From a cost perspective, I think there's two things. One is from a cost perspective, we should have a permanent reduction in those aircraft coming out, because you have maintenance coming out, you have all the stuff coming out. So that could be anywhere from -- I mean, we haven't calculated '20 and '21 plan yet. And as we just retired the 330, 200s this morning and we still have some 737s that are on the ground, whether they come back up as we move forward. But that's half of billion dollars in this year and then that stays in next year from a maintenance and a cost perspective as we go forward. I know Vasu can add to that…
Vasu Raja:
Jamie, from a revenue perspective the really nice thing about the retirement is that we've really accelerated where we wanted to be down the road. So I think one of the things that we had said before is that we were looking for efficiencies just because of the different number of aircraft type seating configurations, and also when you take into account regional partners, the number of operators as well. So over the course of last five years, we've gone from really over 50 different sub fleet types down to now about I think 23 or so. And in terms of being able to serve the marketplace, we're ending up with fleet families that really worked well. So from a 320 family perspective, what we -- we’re not losing out on anything in terms of retirements like the 75s. From 787, 788 and 789, we're not losing out on anything from a 76 and 330 perspective. So with the various -- in the different fleet types and the same holds true for our regionals, I think we've got the fleet to serve the spectrum of demand needs and doing it in a way that’s incredibly efficient.
Jamie Baker:
And Derek, just remaining unencumbered assets number and then I’ll be done.
Derek Kerr:
We have about $4 billion of unencumbered assets and we have $7 billion of first lien capability. So around $11 billion.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from David Vernon of Bernstein. Your line is now open.
David Vernon:
I wanted to ask the post-COVID cross question in a slightly different way. If you were to take a look at the actions you've taken on the fleet side that assumes some normal level of utilization. How would the gauge shifts, like if you were to just take a snapshot in 2019, what does our gauge look like pre-COVID? What's it going to look like in the future? And then if you think about the reduction in hourly operating costs from all the simplification. Is there a way that you can frame kind of a cost reduction potential just on the variable hourly operating cost of the new fleet? Investors are really trying to get their heads around this issue of, okay, American's margins were ex before the crisis, what are they going to be after the crisis. And I think, getting some more tangible data points around exactly what the fleet is going to look like could be helpful here.
David Seymour:
This is David Seymour and I will start and other can join in. What makes this a little bit complex is we're still in the process of setting what our 2021 capacity is. So as Derek mentioned, we’ve got 737s on the ground, we have 50 seaters that are on the ground depending on how those come back or not that will impact our future gauge. So let me give you more of a conceptual answer. But if you think about it right we've taken out -- and all the fleet simplification that Robert and Derek just spoke about, we have taken out roughly 50 wide bodies from December until June of this year. And what all that is, is taking out some of our lesser -- lower gauge airplanes, such as 757, 767. And now have more of our wide-body fleets are in higher gauge, higher density products, like the 787. But of course lead for the narrow body fleet certainly versus last year and years prior, there's a material impact in upgauging. First we have the 190 and the MD-80s coming out, replaced with larger gauge 737 and 321neo that are coming in. And in the regional side, we have more 50 seaters coming out, being replaced with dual class regional jets. And so all of that is a pretty material impact and in the months ahead we’ll get a better sense for that average gauge year over year. But just doing the basic fleet math and you can probably get a pretty good sense for what that impact is.
Unidentified Company Representative:
And we kind of looking at over '19 just because the '20 is so strange. But I hate we’ll have -- our average seat in '19 from a main line was about 167. And as we do the Oasis projects and all the changes of the aircraft that should go up somewhere in the neighborhood of 5% and five seats and then regional as we make that change on the regional you’re going to get about three more seats as we make the change there. So there will be a significant -- as we look into 2021 departures should be down and gauge should be up, so that will give us a cost benefit from a CASM perspective as we fly less departures at higher gauge at lower cost.
David Vernon:
And then maybe just as a quick follow-up. Could you talk a little bit about kind of rebuilding the regional footprint and the seater footprint? Is there going to be a shift in the old model versus the contracted model? Or how do you -- are you thinking about kind of how to start to rebuild fleet traffic as you start to look at what the network is going look like post-COVID?
Unidentified Company Representative:
We've done a really nice job over the years of following a strategy that speaks to simplification, in terms of fleet types and simplification in terms of number of operators with PSA and Envoy and just really, at this point, a few partner carriers. We feel like we’re in a really good spot and with carriers that are established and all fighting on the basis of quality and efficiency. So we feel pretty good about it. In terms of building backs, of course, putting the larger two class regional jets in the service is really important. I take a look to 2021 when demand recovers, and that we open-up a new regional facility and DCA, and think about the kind of changes that we talked about with upgauging and what that will mean for the airline. It’s going to be positive, not just from a cost efficiency perspective but also from revenue perspective -- but also from a passenger perspective in terms of quality of service, we're going to be able to provide them a product that they really want.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Joe Caiado of Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.
Joe Caiado:
Derek, quick question for you and apologies if you answered it in your prepared remarks. But would you consider using some of the billion dollars of the equity raise to retire near-term at a significant discount? I think you mentioned your 5% unsecured notes due 2022 are sort of your next big maturity. And those are trading at about $0.70 on the $1. So is that something you would consider or do you really want to see the cash generation drive the debt pay down?
Derek Kerr:
It is something we consider as we look out to planning for 2021 and see where our cash needs are. But it's something we would consider.
Joe Caiado:
And then just one more quick one. Did we say that there is retrofit in aircraft mod activity taking place today as part of the fleet harmonization initiative, so that stuff is no longer on hold? Is that right?
Derek Kerr:
Correct. Yes, for us we had not put it on hold. When I talked about our CapEx being what it is in 2021, almost 40% of that is actually that project. We've continued to push it. With aircraft on the ground we've been able to speed it up, which I think is the right decision to get the 738s done as quick as possible and the 737s -- sorry the 7378s get done as quick as possible and then speeding up the A321s to get that project done. While the aircraft are on the ground we can speed it up, save costs and get the benefits sooner. So those have been in the numbers and remain in the numbers as we move forward.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
So you obviously have some improvement in the cash burn level here into the fourth quarter. Another way to say $25 million to $30 million a day is $10 billion annually, which is still a pretty big number. So maybe going back to Jamie's cost questions, all of the OpEx savings that you've realized, how much of that run rate is being reflected here in the fourth quarter? And if it's simply timing, absent revenue recovery which we can model, where would that kind of $10 billion a year kind of cash burn go to based on the cash savings you've realized?
Derek Kerr:
Well, the way -- we've said we had $17 billion of savings throughout the year, and the $16.2 million of that $1 billion is expense. Now some of that is volume. So as we add volume back in, those expenses are going to go back in. Some of the permanent stuff is what we talked about, which is the management headcount, the efficiencies, the fleet, a lot of the stuff we're doing will be permanent as we move forward to reduce that. What we have all said is that to get us back to cash positive, the cash burn to be breakeven needs -- we've all said it's a demand recovery and we need the demand to come back. So we are holding flat expenses third quarter over fourth quarter. Everything as we add back in capacity, so being more efficient, but the burn difference is coming from the revenue recovery. And where we're seeing it exactly today is what we've modeled out as we go out into the fourth quarter. So I think as we look into next year and as we look forward that it's the demand recovery that gets us back flying our entire fleet, getting the revenue back and being as efficient as we can to cut those costs out in 2021.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Just for a follow-up there. This morning on the CNBC interview, I think it was mentioned that there's nothing more -- we've done virtually everything we can on costs at this point. I guess my question would be, are you at a structural disadvantage for some reason? Or what would you need to see in terms of this recovery for that view to change? Thanks for taking the questions.
Doug Parker:
Yes, again, what I said, look, we haven't done anything we cannot -- we haven't got all the cost we can. By now, we sure have showed out. So as you've heard, I think from all the airlines right now, that's where we've gotten to. We've reduced all the costs we can at this point. Clearly, as we ramp back up, as Derek and others have already said, we don't expect you should see the same kind of cost rate going forward. But your question is, of the fourth quarter estimate of 25, 30 cash burn number, how does that get better? We don't want to get the impression that it's going to get a lot better because we're going to further be able to reduce cost for the existing cost levels. Just as our other large competitors, these cash burn numbers are virtually exactly the same in the fourth quarter, aren't going to be doing anything about it. Those numbers will get better for all of us at similar rates as demand recovers. And that is what's required. If it doesn't, we all stay at these kind of burn rates. I don't think anyone expects that to be the case. It hasn't been the case through this year or anything close to it. So we've gotten the improvement in these burn levels from the third to the fourth quarter -- there's some of that is cost savings because we get to sort of furloughs. But by far, our biggest driver is revenue improvement and that's what will be the improvement as we go forward and if we will get this industry back to being cash positive again.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Andrew Didora of Bank of America. Your line is now open.
Andrew Didora:
As Derek maybe told -- to ask Duane's question a little differently on costs, maybe put it on the revenue side. So what level of revenues versus 2019 do you feel like you need to be at in order to reach cash breakeven?
Derek Kerr:
I mean, we've said from a revenue perspective, we building the airline back up and getting it where we’ve got our aircraft back in and we get loads in about 65% to 75% -- 70% range it's kind of where it's going to take to get us back to breakeven. And that -- getting all aircraft back in is capacity much lower than where we were in 2019, because we've taken out 157 aircraft, and it will be much lower than what we had planned. So we're all going to take capacity out in 2021. The industry will be smaller. But getting most of our aircraft back up, getting loads in the 65 to 70 range, which will drive the revenue recovery and get the revenue back in is kind of where we see where we would be breakeven from a cash perspective.
Andrew Didora:
And then just my second question maybe for Vasu. Can you maybe just talk about how your discussions have gone with global authorities and how you're thinking about potentially the reintroduction of the long-haul international network. Maybe what regions or kind of routes do you think could come first, particularly when you think about your new -- how your new fleet plan plays into all of this? Thanks.
Vasu Raja:
And so we mentioned earlier, we are actively working with a number of global regulatory bodies, no more so than with the UK seeing really our largest international connect point is indeed our hub in Heathrow. So between ourselves and IAG, we are closely working with the UK government to really create an air travel corridor, which could be not just the basis for further reopening in long-haul services to the UK but indeed the template for how we can do long-haul reopenings more globally. Now other than that, while that impacts primarily our European to some degree our Asian network, really in many ways our South America network is already coming back. Most all of our Miami to South American schedule is in place and doing quite well. And by the time we get into December that will continue. So a big part of our long-haul network, which is South America, we expect to be back certainly by new years or so. And then the other big chunk of it, which is Heathrow we are working on to reopen. And then we have some confidence, it's good for the global aviation community but more critically it’s good for customers everywhere to figure out a really smart way to get a market reopened and that can be a template for doing it elsewhere. So that's how we're thinking about it.
Operator:
Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude our Analyst Q&A [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Alison Sider of Wall Street Journal. Your line is now open.
Alison Sider:
Just curious how you're thinking about sort of changes in the competitive landscape seeing some of your competitors starting to announce plans to go into new cities, including some of your hubs, Chicago and Miami. Just curious how you’re seeing that playing out and how you all respond?
Robert Isom:
We welcome the competition. We've got incredibly strong network as we’ve talked on the call today and assets that will serve our customers really well. So look we're excited about the potential for return of demand and we can do when it does come back, and we're ready to take on competition no matter where it comes.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Leslie Josephs of CNBC. Your line is now open.
Leslie Josephs:
Just want to ask about the advantage program. Do you have any sense of where revenue is going? Is it recovering? And what's your outlook for co-brand card spend going forward, maybe even in 2021?
Vasu Raja:
We are indeed -- there is so much has changed in our business such as say the crises. Indeed our co-brand program has -- our revenues haven’t fallen nearly at the rate of overall passenger revenue, simply because people continue to keep spending out there. Indeed, as we look at consumers more broadly, savings are up, people are spending, they're spending on different things. And so, we were actually -- one of our major priorities in the year and years ahead is to work even more closely with our co-brand providers, Citi, Barclays but even MasterCard as well, to ensure that our card is on top of mind and they're are driving increasing amount of spend for our customers and revenue for the Airlines.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from David Koenig of Associated Press. Your line is now open.
David Koenig:
Can you discuss Thanksgiving, Christmas bookings and what kind of look back you are expecting for those holidays? And also to clarify, Derek. Derek are you saying 65 to 70 load factors of breakeven even with the current mix of business and leisure being heavily in leisure?
Vasu Raja:
This is Vasu, and I can answer both, so the second one first. Really the simple way to think of it is maybe 65% to 70% of 2019 revenues, which Derek was giving you is holding our yield comps and think about load factors. So that's really the simpler way to think about your second question. And then to your first question, yes, we do anticipate that the Thanksgiving period and the December second half period will be relatively stronger, one, because we have seen the last several holidays, Columbus Day, Labor Day, July 4th and Memorial Day, become sequentially stronger. And indeed, what we're finding more and more is that, as consumers start resuming life, returning to spending in full service restaurants, going back-to-school, things like that, shortly thereafter searches resume and air travel spending resumes too. And even with current rates of case growth, we continue to see that at least in many geographies which is the Sunbelt that are most critical for American Airlines. So we do see that as we get into the Thanksgiving week as Robert mentioned in his opening comments, more than half of our flights are being yield managed in some ways, which means that the airline is holding out anticipating higher revenues closer to departure. And so that's a promising thing, which we hadn't seen in the past. Now this is a volatile environment, the recovery will be choppy and shifting change will respond accordingly. But right now things are better than they were but far from sustainable.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Justin Bachman of Bloomberg. Your line is now open.
Justin Bachman:
I want to know if you could clarify a bit on the timing around the 737 Max deferrals that you announced. As far as what really is your thinking that sales will come? And are you thinking about any other aircraft deferrals if the business is not returning as you're hoping? Thank you.
Unidentified Company Representative:
The deferrals we have 18 deliveries in 2021 and we have deferral rights on eight of those aircraft. And then we had deferral rights on all 10 aircraft that come in 2022. We'll make those decisions down the road as we look at the demand environment as they come back. Those can push to 2023 and 2024. So that's where we're at on those. We have also been working with Airbus on just making and respreading the delivery stream there. We have moved some of the ones that were coming in 2021 to 2022. So we've pushed a little bit. And at this point in time, we're pretty firm on where we are from the delivery schedule with Airbus and Boeing.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Edward Russell of TPG. Your line is now open.
Edward Russell:
I was wondering if you could talk a bit more about the Max return to service, there were some reports earlier this week that you'll be flying it around the Christmas time, but I know those dates have slipped repeatedly. How confident are you about that return timeline?
Unidentified Company Representative:
It really just depends on what happens. The aircraft is going to be returned and ungrounded when the FAA says it's okay, and after we and our team gets to take a look at it as well. Based on what we're hearing that would allow for an ungrounding sometime in the month of November. If that holds true, we’ll likely have the aircraft up in service a month or so after that. So potentially by the very end of December. But it all remains to be seen and we're incredibly flexible in terms of any type of time, it's just as we have done over the last -- over the course of the last year or so.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Kyle Arnold of Dallas Morning News. Your line is now open.
Kyle Arnold:
I know that Chicago and New York, New Jersey, Connecticut expanded some of their travel quarantines. How problematic are the travel here domestically? And is there anything to be done that can stimulate travel in those areas on the west coast and the Northeast where it's not as strong as some other areas of the country?
Unidentified Company Representative:
Travel will come back when there are things that are open and safe for people to do. Certainly any type of restrictions, quarantine, are not helpful. Again, we're trying to make things easier on customers where there are any type of difficulties, such as the work that we're doing in the Caribbean and the work that we are doing in Hawaii and as was mentioned earlier, the work that we’re trying to do in Europe and especially the UK and trying to open up travel corridors. But the real key for all of this is having things for people to do. One of the things that we have talked about is great indicator restaurants being open is a good indicator of people being able to go to travel to those destinations and it’s just a critical key.
Unidentified Company Representative:
And we’ve worked with many of our partners, with the travel association and travel partners, have regional companies as well, that can make sure that we’re all looking to get our current fleets to bring back tourism. One of the things to reduce confusion with our customers as you quite rightly said, when an area may close and then stop quarantine, et cetera is we have just placed on our aa.com, a site where you could place a new destination and it can tell you what requirements to travel are in place for that space, for that countries is exploitable and this is really helping our customers understand and ease their travel as well and help them with bookings going forward.
Operator:
Thank you. And this does conclude our media Q&A. I will now turn the call back over to Doug Parker for closing comments.
Doug Parker:
Thanks everyone for your interest. And any further questions you can just contact Investor Relations or corporate communication. We appreciate your time. Thank you very much.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, this conclude today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. Today’s conference call is being recorded. At this time, all participant lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct the question and answer session. [Operator Instructions]. And now, I’d like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens. Please go ahead.
Dan Cravens:
Thanks Sarah. Good morning everyone and welcome to the American Airlines Group second quarter earnings conference call. Joining us on the call this morning, we have Doug Parker, Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also on the call for our Q&A session are several of our Senior Executives, including Maya Liebman, Chief Information Officer; Elise Eberwein, EVP of People and Communications; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; Vasu Raja, Chief Revenue Officer; and David Seymour, our Chief Operating Officer. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our quarter and the actions we’re taking during this pandemic. And Doug will follow with details on our liquidity and cost outlook. After Derek’s comments, we will open the call for analyst questions and lastly questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin, we must state that today’s call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecasts of capacity, fleet plans, and liquidity. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June, 30, 2020. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, and that can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. The webcast of this call will be also archived on our website. The information that we’re giving you on the call is as of today’s date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us this morning. And at this point, I’d like to turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Dan. Good morning everyone. Thanks for joining us today. I'm going to give some color on the work we're doing to manage the current environment, ensure that we are well positioned when we come out of this crisis. Derek is going to provide an update on our liquidity and cash burn. And then as Dan noted, we have several Executives in the room, including our President Robert Isom and our Chief Revenue Officer Vasu Raja, here to answer any questions you may have. So to begin, I need to acknowledge and applaud the entire America West Airlines team. Thus past the past five months have been more than difficult, and our team has consistently risen to the challenge, taking care of customers and each other, as the stability of the of their own employment remains uncertain. Our team does this and much more each and every day. Say, they're leading this -- leading to this crisis with grace is an understatement of enormous proportions. And we're all humbled by their work ethic and professionalism. Till now the actions we're taking to face the COVID-19, the resulting severe instruction to global demand for air travel. In short, the crisis continues. Our team has done an exceptional job of managing through that crisis, as evidenced by the trends we saw throughout the second quarter. And we're prepared to weather the storm ahead and be in a position to succeed when demand recovers. In the near-term, our actions are centered on three pillars, building up our cash reserves, conserving the cash we do use, and adjusting the way we fly, so that when our customers return to the skies, they can do so with complete confidence, confidence they are safe and they enjoyable to do so. And moreover, we're flying when and where they want to go. So first of on cash, we have the second quarter with $10.2 billion of available liquidity, which included an important net $3.6 billion that we raised during the course of the Capital Markets. We also have a sign term sheet with the U.S. Department of Treasury for an additional $4.75 billion secured loan under the CARES Act. And we expect that loan to close in the third quarter. In addition, we announced this morning two senior secured note transaction with both transactions with Goldman Sachs Merchant Bank, totaling $1.2 million. So, when those transactions are combined with our quarter ending liquidity balance of $10.2 million, we would have a Pro Forma liquidity balance of approximately $16.2 million. And we'll have flexibility to raise more if needed and Derek will talk about that in a few minutes. With regard to conserving cash and our cash burn, our daily cash burn rate for the quarter was around $55 million, which was better than our prior guidance of $70 million per day. We were particularly pleased with the rate of improvements [indiscernible]. That daily burn was nearly $100 million per day in April, then around $56 million in May, and was $30 million for -- per day for the month of June. That improvement was driven by both aggressive cost management which Derek will discuss in more detail and significant revenue growth throughout the period. As to revenue, demand was at its lowest point in April, of course, and we had a remarkably low system load factor of 15% and a remarkably low passenger revenue price at [$1.08]. But as several States began to reopen, we began to see demand increase, particularly in some markets where we had a network advantage. So, with some aircraft ownership and labor costs we made a tactical decision to file a larger schedule than some of our competitors, competitors then keeping our large connecting hubs in Dallas/Fort Worth in Charlotte larger than the rest of our network. So anymore that larger schedule we saw increasing loads and unit revenues across the system. Our load factors jumped from 15% in April to 45% in May, and 64% in June. And our passenger revenue per ASM increased from that [$1.08] in April to [$6.09] in May and [$10.03] in June. How's the DFW in Charlotte performed particularly well, with 80% of our flights operating in over 60% load factors throughout the month of June? Now this rate of approval is going to slow as we head into a seasonally softer travel season. And certainly as demand growth is planned sort of late due to increasing infection rates and State and City quarantine restrictions. We've modified our schedules accordingly. And we now expect our third quarter system capacity to be down approximately 60% year-over-year. As to cash burn trends, we expect our third quarter burn rates to be well below our second quarter rates and our fourth quarter rates to be lower than the third. Our goal is to be cash positive in 2021, as demand for air travel gradually improves. Regarding liquidity, we expect in the third quarter of approximately $13 billion and that assumes no additional financing activity in addition to -- other than those transactions I already mentioned. As to restoring cost of consumer demand. One of the best things we can do during this crisis is to put our energy toward winning customer confidence. To that end, we've established a travel Health Advisory Panel comprised of internal leaders from our operations teams, and outside experts to advise us on health and cleaning matters throughout our operation. We've also started working with the global Bio Risk Advisory Council on Accreditation for the cleaning and disinfection practices for our aircraft [air landings]. These steps along with more generous change fee waivers and rebooking opportunities for full flights had helped our customers feel good about flying and feel very good about choosing America. Looking outlook, we're building an even more robust network for our customers. Last week, we announced a new partnership with JetBlue that will provide seamless connectivity for travelers in the Northeast, and create more choice for customers across our complimentary domestic international network. The JetBlue partnership and the West Coast alliance with Alaska that we announced earlier this year will further strengthen our network and will help to ensure we're positioned for success over the long-term. So as good as we feel that our management is in this pandemic and our prospects for future success, we feel terribly about the impact it's having on much of our team. We know we will be a smaller airline going forward. But we've worked to right size all aspects of the organization to that reality. Approximately [5,100] management and support staff positions were eliminated this summer, in a manner consistent with the CARES Act. And last week, we sent warn letters to 25,000 American Airlines frontline team members. We're doing everything we can to mitigate the impacts and by working with our union partners, we put forward new voluntary leave and early out programs for our frontline team. There's also an effort underway by our union partners to extend the current payroll support program into 2021. We're proud to support this union led initiative as we believe our entire industry has a shared goal of keeping hard working frontline team members [indiscernible]. With that, I’ll turn over to Derek who will give more detail on liquidity and cash burn. Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Doug and good morning everyone. Before I begin my remarks, I would also like to thank our entire team and acknowledge what they have endured in recent months. Their continued professionalism toward our customers and fellow team members is a model for all of us, and we are proud to serve alongside them. We reported a GAAP net loss of $2.1 billion or $4.82 per share in the second quarter. And during the second quarter, we did recognize $1.7 billion of pre-tax net special items primarily a $2 billion credit resulting from the payroll support program financial assistance. Excluding those net special items, we reported a net loss of $3.4 billion or $7.82 per share. With this historic decline in the -- in passenger demand, our primary focus has been to ensure we have sufficient liquidity to make it through a weak recovery. We have moved quickly to raise incremental liquidity and reduced our cash burn. We have also taken steps to drive efficiencies in our operation by further accelerating our fleet simplification plan and aligning our cost structure to the new world we find ourselves in. We will continue to leverage the flexibility we have in our scheduling process, and we'll let demand serve as a guidepost for our future capacity levels. We will continue to be relentless in identifying additional ways to improve our cash burn rate going forward. As far as the fleet, as we announced in April, our fleet simplification plan went into high gear during the quarter as we officially retired the Embraer 190s, Boeing 757s, Boeing 767s, and Airbus A330-300 aircraft as well as a number of regional jets. In addition, we put the Atria 3200s and several of our older Boeing 737s into temporary storage programs. These changes have reduced our active fleet count by more than 150 aircraft and accelerated our fleet simplification strategy. Removing these aircraft will also have a material impact on our cost structure going forward, as it means we will avoid significant future maintenance expense, future training costs and future aircraft sparing costs associated with operating a more fragmented fleet mix. These changes alone are expected to bring about significant fleet related maintenance savings to the P&L through 2021. On the expense front, we have taken a fresh look at how our -- how we budget the airline and have taken a zero based approach to our planning for the remainder of 2020 and 2021. These actions have reduced our estimated 2020 operating and capital expenditures by more than $15 billion. Beyond the fuel and environment related savings that were achieved through our capacity reductions we have removed or deferred non-essential expenses throughout the business. We have had great success with our voluntary leave and early out programs, with more than 41,000 employees stepping up to help by opting into a leave or early retirement. And as Doug mentioned earlier, we just completed a 30% right sizing of our management and support staff resulting in annual estimated savings of more than a $0.5 billion. Well, this will -- was a difficult process to go through. We are grateful to those who have -- who are leaving the company for the many contributions they have made to our airline. With regard to capital expenditures, we currently have committed financing on nearly all of our 2020 aircraft deliveries and do not intend to take any deliveries without committed financing. Beyond this, we have removed $700 million from our projected non-aircraft capital spending plan in 2020. And that's $200 million more than we announced last quarter, and another $300 million in 2021. We will continue to aggressively pursue other opportunities to conserve working capital. But we are moving quickly to pull down our costs. We are not done and will continue to take the necessary steps to right size our cost structure for the future. Finally, on liquidity, we have moved quickly to reduce our daily cash burn and strengthen our liquidity position. Well, there are several burn rate definitions out there. We define it as the sum of all net cash receipts less all cash disbursements that includes all debt payments and interest payments. But it does exclude the effect of new financings and new aircraft purchases. Using that definition, our second quarter average cash burn rate was approximately $55 million per day, which was down from our original guidance of $70 million per day. And as Doug said, we ended the month of June at $30 million per day. We ended the second quarter with $10.2 billion of liquidity. During the quarter we raised net $3.6 billion through the issuance of $2.5 billion of secured bonds, of which $1 billion was used to refinance our 364-day delayed draw facility, $1.1 billion in equity and $1 billion in convertible bonds. We also raised $360 million in JFK Municipal Bonds, which the net proceeds are in our restricted cash balance until construction spending occurs. Importantly, we do not have any large non-aircraft debt maturities until our $750 million unsecured bonds mature in June 2022. During the quarter we received 90% of our allotted payroll support program funds and we expect to receive the remainder in July. Separately, we have reached initial terms with the Treasury Department for the approximately $4.75 billion secured loan, which we expect to close in the third quarter. In addition, we announced in a separate 8-K issued this morning $1.2 billion of committed financing subject to final documentation and other closing conditions in the form of two senior secured note transactions with Goldman Sachs Merchant Bank. $1 billion of the notes will be secured by a first lien -- first priority lien against the American Airlines brand and related trademarks and IP. And $200 million will be in secured by existing incremental capacity under our [indiscernible] national collateral. The IP notes allow us to incur up to another additional $4 billion of first lien debt using that collateral. We expect this transaction to close in the third quarter. And as Doug mentioned, when these transactions are combined with our quarter ending cash balance of $10.2 billion, we have a Pro Forma liquidity balance of approximately $16.2 billion. The outlook we have raised thus far based on recent appraisals we have approximately $4 billion of unencumbered assets at our disposal. These consist of aircrafts spare parts, equipment and real estate. This number excludes accounts receivable and any additional borrowing capacity under our secured debt or loyalty program beyond the CARES Act loan. This morning we provided an 8-K, which included an update on our collateral position as detailed in that filing. While we are happy these transactions have improved our liquidity position, we recognize they have come at a cost of increasing the debt load of the company and diluting our shareholders. However, it is important to note that even after these transactions our weighted average cost of debt is slightly above 4%. Investors should know that we did not take these steps lightly and improving our balance sheet as our imperative once we get through this pandemic. As for future cash burn, given that recent uptick in COVID-19 cases, and new quarantine restrictions in some areas, we have adjusted our revenue recovery forecast accordingly. Based on our current forecasts, we expect the third quarter will with -- to end the third quarter with approximately $13 billion of available liquidity assuming no other financing activity in addition to those I've mentioned already. The team has done an incredible job of reducing costs in this environment and shutting down all discretionary spending. As we have said previously, our goal is to get our daily cash burn rate to zero as quickly as possible so that we don't burn cash in 2021. However, the timing of reaching this goal will be greatly impacted by the demand recovery timeline, as the benefits from the majority of the cost cut have already been realized. In summary, it's very -- in a very short period of time, we've taken swift action to bolster our liquidity manager near-term maturities and capital requirements, and fortify our balance sheet to withstand what may be a protracted recovery. With that, I’ll hand it back to Doug for closing comments before we take questions.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Derek. Before we get to questions, mistakenly think the America West team as [indiscernible] instead of the entire American Airlines team that's clearly 40 on this crisis certainly feels like the old American West days at that times. Hey, Derek thanks to the entire team, of course. And on that note, before we get to questions, I do want to again acknowledge the amazing work of our team. Although we certainly did not none of us could foresee a pandemic like this. The fact is, here we are living that exact reality. And if a pandemic wasn't enough to test our mettle, we've also experienced the sad and stark reality of how far we have yet to go in this country and our quest for inclusion and equality. This summer, we along with the rest of the world, have seen the brutal murders of our fellow citizens and brought to light the reality and persistence of systemic racism in our country. In the wake up the passing of our friends, Civil Rights Leader Congressman John Lewis, is fitting to State clearly once again, black lives matter. While all of us have a responsibility to create a better world for our black neighbors, coworkers, friends and fellow citizens, I can assure you that in American Airlines we stand proud and ready to do our part to support and lead in the areas of diversity, equity and inclusion. On that note, operator, we are ready for questions.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is now open.
Helane Becker:
Thank you very much operator. Hi, Doug.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Helane. You remember the America West Day?
Helane Becker:
I do. So, I remember a lot Doug just a lot. So, okay, this is not something to laugh over because we are experiencing something really horrible. In our industry, something I thought honestly, between now and retirement, I would never see again. And so I'm going to kind of be a jerk and I ask this question. You have a lot of aircraft debt on the balance sheet. Because -- and obviously, you have to be a smaller airline for some period of time until we recover [cholesterol] level. So, does it make sense to figure out a way to return those aircraft or somehow figure out a way to get out from under this $50 billion in debt that you have on the balance sheet that at some point has to be repaid?
Doug Parker:
I'm sure, I'll start Helane. You're not being a jerk at all. It's a fair question. We -- as you know, we built up a good bit of debt on the balance sheet as we as we modernize our fleets. The good news is we do have the most modern fleet industry and we don't need to continue do that work? We're happy with the fleet air we've used this opportunity to accelerate the retirement of a lot of our older aircraft, which will make us even more efficient as we emerge in this crisis. We believe the aircraft that we have remaining in our fleet is about the right size or the network, we're going to need as we move, into 2021. If indeed that was not -- turns out not to be the case. We will adjust accordingly of course, but it's that more about the right size of the network as opposed to the debt levels. The answer the debt levels is to get the airline to be cash positive. As I said again, our goal is to do in 2021. And to use all the cash we generate to reduce the debt level, which we will do over time. All of us have increased our debt burden to this crisis to fund the losses and you're right method was higher than the others. I would note, first half, we do have the maturity profile is in our favor, at least as relates to the crisis. As Derek stated, we don't have other than $750 million term loans due in the middle of 2022 is our next large non-aircraft in debt payment, which helps of course. As to what it's done to -- as opposed to a recession, obviously, increasing interest expense. As we look at our interest expense in 2021, at least right now. The interest expenses would be about $300 million higher than what we spent interest expense in 2019. Aircraft debt I think a couple of hundred million more so total, $500 million of additional expense. That's, that's certainly not something we like, but the reduction in management specialist headcounts we talked about saving is more than that. And on top of that all the other efficiencies that Derek talked about add savings in addition to that. So, we are highly confident that as demand returns and as we return to taking care of customers we will be able to service the debt reduce the debt load as we as we go forward as we intended it.
Helane Becker:
Can you just say why interest expense declined in the quarter without net interest expense number Derek maybe?
Derek Kerr:
In the quarter?
Doug Parker:
Sequentially or year-over-year.
Helane Becker:
No, year-over-year?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I'll look Helane, but I don't see it, it's got to be interest rates going down in our variable debt is over 60%, 70% of our debt so it's got to be driven by that.
Helane Becker:
All right, that makes sense. All right. Well, thanks and thanks, Doug, for that very detailed answer. I really appreciate it.
Doug Parker:
Thank you Helane.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Vernon with Bernstein. Your line is now open.
David Vernon:
Hey, good morning, guys. So, I wanted to ask you a little bit about the sequential trends kind of into the third quarter and the back half of the year, if we're going from, the $100 million a day to $30 million a day. Should we expect that number to continue to come down sort of at a steady state level of demand? I guess, I'm trying to figure out, what level of impact the actions you've taken would have as their fully implemented and run through the P&L. So, if you give us some color on the trajectory of that burn rate at a constant demand level that would be helpful?
Doug Parker:
Yes, Vernon. We tried I think in our comments that much of the -- as Derek said, the cost reductions are largely in place. And there's some that occurs into the third and fourth quarter. And then certainly with the October 1 day we are -- we have the ability to reduce our labor costs, somewhat -- those are enormous numbers in terms of daily cash burn, that’s a kind of $3 million or $4 million a day [exact] numbers on that. The bulk of what would be required to get to improvement is demand improvement. So, what we've said again was that we expect the sequential improvement in the third quarter, fourth quarter – third quarter and then our fourth quarter the third quarter and then into 2021 to be have a goal of being cash positive. So, but those trends are much more about demand -- gradual demand improvement than they are about cost improvement.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, and David, I mean, just from a cost perspective, we were down 46% in the second quarter, that trended even tighter was 41 in April, 49 in May, 48 in June. So, in that area where we were from a capacity perspective, so that could change just depending on if you add back capacity don't add back capacity. But that's kind of a trend we were running from a cost perspective throughout the second quarter, those will stay -- those will remain and only increased by capacity, because all of the costs have been taken out. And as Doug talked about, there might be another little step function in October depending on where we go from that -- from a cost perspective in October.
David Vernon:
All right, thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks David.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Savi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is now open.
Savi Syth:
Okay, good morning. Just a little bit more on the cash burn and actually related to the plans for this kind of severance or voluntary severance that you've provided. Just how much of that do you can expect to execute and I think, Doug, you mentioned maybe $3 million to $4 million a day savings, is that how we should look at it? And then if the PSP grant is extended, how does that impact the planning process?
Derek Kerr:
Hey, Savi. Just on the severance, we did not do -- we've spread it out over time period. So, there is no big cash outflow from a severance perspective. So, everybody's getting paid through October timeframe. So, that the number that Doug talked about $2 million to $3 million is pretty good. And, that includes the severance that people get today for that are leaving and any other adjustments that we can do from an efficiency standpoint in the third quarter. So, those are the key as we get into the third quarter, but the severance is that's not a lump sum. It’s spread out over time. That helped?
Savi Syth:
That's helpful. And what's -- like what's the savings that you expect and those that can offset them that completely?
Derek Kerr:
That's the $2 million to $3 million we talked about, that is the same.
Savi Syth:
Okay. Okay. So, severance is not much.
Derek Kerr:
Yes.
Savi Syth:
Okay. And then just a follow up to that is like if the PSP grant gets extended, how does that impact the planning process given? I'm guessing this is a something that has happened -- to happen -- has to happen over a couple of months in advance?
Doug Parker:
Yes, I mean, the legislation as proposed by our Unions, just as a simple extension of the PSP program, so the dates change from October 1 to March 31. That would I mean that our commitment to in voluntarily separate anyone would be extended till March 31. And the funds that the -- funds that were allocated in Case 1 of $25 billion to compensate airlines for retaining, for paying our team that would be reallocated. So, you wouldn't have that savings and you'd have funds that come in to offset the savings.
Savi Syth:
Helpful, thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes on the line as Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.
Catherine O'Brien:
Good morning, everyone. Thanks so much for the time.
Doug Parker:.:
Catherine O'Brien:
Hey, guys. There is a couple of questions on the recent demand downturn, hoping you could help us frame the magnitude of that. Any color on what gross bookings were in June versus July, or just anyway to think about the fall offs we've seen as new cases spike? And then could you just walk us through what actions you are taking to address this weaker demand? Was that third quarter capacity outlook down 60 different a couple weeks ago or maybe there's more downside risk now a couple of there but really to try to get a better sense of the magnitude of the slowdown?
Vasu Raja:
Hey, this is Vasu. Thanks for the question. I'll start into that. Look what we're seeing are pretty consistent trends with what you've heard reported, we're seeing right now net bookings down 75% to 80%. This is a market difference from where we were certainly in the month of June and even in May. What American Airlines saw and what we've probably disproportionately benefited from was that a number of States across the Sunbelt started reopening in May and June. With every phase of reopening, we saw steady improvement of net bookings, both among our leisure segments and among the business segments, added probably high watermark is net bookings across the system were down 50% the Sunbelt, they were down, net 35% to 40%. Now we're seeing that down net 75% to 80%. Still our Sunbelt bookings outpaced the rest of the system. As we go forward, we anticipate many of those trends to continue. We see really a minimal -- really a token amount of business travel out there and not a lot of indicators that that's likely to improve. So unsurprisingly we're -- here we’re building the airlines capacity around that that demand projection, so, you see us taking down Q3 more and we're continuing to evaluate Q4 and beyond.
Catherine O'Brien:
Okay, understood. And then maybe just a question on the cash burn outlook. If I just take your second quarter liquidity adjusts out to new $6 billion in debt rates including everything announced this morning to get that $13 billion expected third quarter and liquidity, that gets me to about $35 million daily burn, I guess maybe a little bit north of that, if I include the -- that last 10% of the PSP funds. I guess, first, am I missing anything in that math? And then can you walk us through what type of revenue assumptions are underlying that? And then, to get to fourth quarter being lower than that what kind of revenue assumption or improvement we have to see to drive that lower? Thanks, appreciate the time guys.
Doug Parker:
Sure, [indiscernible]. Never on the matter and just please note that those are the in number is approximate. So, we want to try to imply a certain level of precision around that number that you should put precise numbers on these daily cash burn numbers. But so I think -- I'm sure you did the math right. We have very limited demand growth in that $13 billion quarter end number, so not much at all and in our -- real -- much increase in the fourth quarter not really consistent with all of us we just described. So anyway, we at our conservative as it relates to demand. And as we said on the expenses where it is I'll just give a little commentary on these just these daily cash burn numbers, but which I know are important to our investors. They vary so much certainly by month and therefore by quarter sometimes, we need to be careful about looking at those as real trends as long as you understand that. And as far as you understand how they compare to others and all others exclude different things than we do. It's not a GAAP measure. I know we also have important measure that's why we give you a quarter ended estimated liquidity balance but less. But we try to have less focus on that actual number, because there's just so much variability around it.
Catherine O'Brien:
Understood. Thanks appreciate that.
Doug Parker:
Thank you Catherine.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is not open.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Mike.
Mike Linenberg:
Hey. Hey, Doug. Hey, everyone. Thanks. Good morning. I guess two quick ones here. Derek, I know that I believe under the CARES Act, we can defer social security taxes, I guess the portion this year. I think you can defer your minimum pension contribution. I think there's some benefit on payroll. Do you have a sense of how that maybe collectively those other various initiatives that we don't spend too much time on, but how much that could boost your liquidity in 2020?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, on the one item, I know for sure on the pension side of things, we do have to make a pension payment on January 1, which is a holiday. So, we ended up having to do it on December 31. So, there's not a -- it's not a zero number in 2020. But, we had originally thought it would be around 500 now it's down to 140. So, there's a significant savings there. The -- we have gotten some tax refunds in the $170 million range which have been positive and one of them is $85 million, we're getting this quarter in the third quarter. And then the deferral of those other taxes, we have them all in 2021 anyway so that you're going have to pay them back in 2021. So, the net impact over ‘20 and ‘21 is zero.
Mike Linenberg:
Okay, okay, that's helpful. And then just my second question, really to Vasu. Look, you announced the JetBlue recently, the JetBlue agreement recently, and it seems very similar to what you announced with Alaska back in February. And I realized it's a really tough backdrop to start noticing any sort of benefits from the Alaska deal, I guess, since it is initially only up and running in a few months. Is there anything that you can tell us with respect to maybe quick wins and things that you've seen as you started to work more closely with Alaska that you think will materialize will materialize with under the JetBlue agreement? Thank you.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. Yes, thanks for the question, Mike. I'm happy to do it. In fact, let me put my answer in some context here. That -- in American Airlines we have sort of a unique problems we look all across our hubs. Our hubs excluding the Northeast that is New York and Boston and the West Coast produce unit revenue premiums of 10% to 12% higher than the industry, indeed has grown since the time of our mergers, we've up gage rebuilt the regional network, improved connectivity and grown in Dallas/Fort Worth. In the Northeast and the West Coast, however, we produce a 10% [rather] deficit to the industry. This is important because about 22% to 23% of our 2019 capacity is deployed on the West Coast and the Northeast, put that in perspective about DFW in 2019 was about 26%, 27% of the airline, Charlotte was about 12% to 13% of the airline. So we have a material amount of our capacity in these markets in both of these cases but the West Coast and the Northeast infrastructure is constrained. And we're in a situation where we're really too small to win and too big to go and exit. And so we need to figure out a way and it’s just such a massive customer base that we need to find a way to go and access that revenue. So in our partnerships both with Alaska and JetBlue what it is entirely about is creating different and creative, competitive alternatives to the larger networks that our competitors offer on those coast. And that's what that was exactly what you see us doing. So, we continue to go and build our Seattle hub and together with Alaska, we will go and create the best of the network on the West Coast with JetBlue. American Airlines is historically and New York State a great case study for this. Historically, we have a 10% originating share in the largest air travel market in the world. We operate 50 seat jets and some of the most expensive aircrafts and expensive airports in the world. And so by doing this, we leverage the strength of both of these companies. The play here is very much that if we can do this, we go and attract more customers to have our joined up networks, financially that of course rectifies, the very massive revenue problem that we have across our hub system, it creates a really pro competitive outcome. And very importantly, it keeps these really vibrant and independent competitors, vibrant independent competitors. So, we are really keen about all of them, the big onus is on us to go and execute make these partnerships as seamless as possible. And we're working very ordinately at that. Indeed, today we're announcing Alaska's formal invitation into one world that will really accelerate the process. And we're envisioning by the end of this year for worst case. Early 2021, we'll have them as a full-fledged member. And we are eager to go and progress the integration with JetBlue as well.
Mike Linenberg:
Great. Thanks, Vasu. Thanks for the detail.
Vasu Raja:
Yes.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Mike.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes on the line of Jamie Baker with JP Morgan. Your line is now open.
Jamie Baker:
Hey, good morning, everybody. I guess this means I'll wrap up the cactus triumvirate. David, Helane and Mike have already opined. Derek, can you walk through how the brand in the website is worth enough to support up to $5 billion of additional first lien debt? Excuse me when loyalty is already pledged elsewhere? I mean, those are pretty material figures. And we don't think that most investors had those in their liquidity models prior to today's disclosures.
Derek Kerr:
Right. So, I mean we have an appraisal on both of the transactions. I mean, as we went into this process, as you know we ran appraisals on everything, because we needed to do that as we were looking at the government loan and what we wanted to do with a government loan, so we ran an appraisal just on the frequent flyer program and then we separated out everything else and put it into the brand discussion, I would say. The value of that is -- it depends on where the value is, but somewhere in the $10 billion range, whereas the frequent flyer program, as we've announced before is somewhere in the $20 billion range. So we've done appraisals on both, that is a transaction we've been working on for a little bit this recent one. And as we negotiate it got ourselves the ability to do an extra $4 billion underneath that transaction and it's held up by an appraisal that that we've that we've done.
Jamie Baker:
And in regards to a potential Ford Mileage sale, are you -- have you reached a conclusion with Treasury yet that they you could speak to that potential phenomenon?
Derek Kerr:
We have not reached the conclusion -- we have not reached a conclusion with Treasury yet. We're still working with Treasury on the trans on the $4.75 billion transaction and where we will go there. But I think it's, as we've seen, it is not a Ford Mileage transaction on top of that as you know our competitor was very successful and did a really nice transaction to take their frequent flyer program and take it to the market that is available. It probably would take us a little bit of time to do that, just because our company is our, our frequent flyer program is not set up as a separate company, which our competitors was for them the ability to do that transaction. So that ability is there they you mean we're at $4.75 billion we have a bigger program and I think they raised $6.8 billion $6.9 billion against it. So, I think in the future, that transaction is there. It's not there today for us, but it is there in the future. So, if we cannot utilize the room underneath the government loan that transaction is available in the future.
Jamie Baker:
And if I can just squeeze a short third one in. On JetBlue, can you just remind us what you can and can't do in regards to the partnership? What level of coordination pricing scheduling is legally permissible?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, I can’t. Thanks for the question, Jamie. The way we've envisioned it, it would be really a pretty broad partnership, where of course, we would have extensive code sharing back and forth, frequent flyer benefits and a big amount of corporate dealing. A big part of what makes this go certainly as we look at it something that we think will be great for customers back came into, we envision being able to take out things like 50 seat regional jets, which are on a many ways really uncompetitive product and a place like New York or Boston and arrange a number of slot moves within JFK and LaGuardia such that certainly and we can grow its mainline presence. That's where you see us adding more long haul services in New York. And indeed, over time we anticipate being able to do a whole lot more of that. And then, of course also for our new partner JetBlue, they also get to go and expand. So, in doing that, we see a lot of ways that we can get work together that may be a little unconventional from traditional co-shares in the past that can create a huge benefit for our customers A very big benefit to our team and can help both of these airlines really participate in the recovery as in what happens.
Jamie Baker:
Thanks, gentlemen.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Jamie.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dan McKenzie with Seaport Global. Your line is now open.
Daniel McKenzie:
Hey, thanks. Good morning guys. Just following up on that, that the alliance with JetBlue and Alaska, Vasu I guess if I heard correctly, it's 23% of the flying in 2019 is the goal to get that back pay industry parity really think you can get up with these alliances get to a premium and I guess kind of where I'm going this for investors as they think about 23% of the fine. Is this, revenues that could improve 10% across 23% of the fine if we get back to parity?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, that's an excellent question, Dan. And sound way to think of the problem. Yes, look at it to clarify the numbers, in 2019 about 22%, 23% of our capacity base was on the West Coast New York, Boston, right compare that to our two strongest performing markets of DFW and Charlotte, which collectively represented about 48%, 49% of the airline. So, there's a material amount of capacity that and for a long time has been producing [TRASM] below the industry average. Now, in the perfect back half of 2019, I think a lot of the way you describe that makes sense. The open question is, how the world recovered and how quickly we can achieve steady state. But for that reason, these partnerships are all the more critical to be able to be done now, because the reality is left to everyone's own devices, the third and fourth largest carriers in New York just won't be able to compete for a New York for a diminished New York originating premium customer given the current demand outlook that's there. So by having this maybe a little bit of time before we're able to we’ve achieve some of the financial goals that we want from this thing. But for us, as long as we are doing what is right by the customer in New York and Boston, providing real competition to the larger networks that we face there. There's a real path for how we go about doing it. And as you say, there's probably a lot of upside through this thing that we envision being able to go. And certainly scale the massive fixed expenses of operating in a place like New York over things like wide bodies instead of over things like 50 seat regional jets. So we think that there is a lot of long-term economic benefits there. The current crisis that the pandemic creates the uncertainty and demand makes it a little bit of an uncertain path for how we go from here to there. But the core way in which you're thinking about it is similar to how we think about.
Daniel McKenzie:
Very good. I guess the follow up question here. Doug, going back to your commentary this morning, on CNBC to generate cash next year and start paying down debt or maybe this is for Derek, based on what you see and today and what's in the business plan can you give us a balance sheet roadmap from here, what, what's the range of debt you would aspiration layer could prepay next year? And what do you want the balance sheet to look like realistically at the end of next year and then as we look three years down the road?
Doug Parker:
I'll start and Derek will give more specifics, I'll let him. But it's really hard to give any sort of targets at this point into 2021 and 2022 and beyond with any sort of specificity, and so it's so much dependent upon what happens with return to demand with managed return. What I know is that as again, we have a goal of being cash -- getting ourselves cash positive in 2021. That certainly requires some demand growth, but we don't think unreasonable demand growth. And we believe we can do that as that happens and as there's more stability, first, as that happens, we will definitely be using all free cash to retire our free cash flow to retire that and as we have more certainty as to what the economic environment looks like going forward, we can give you better indications of kind of calls on debt levels and credit ratios going forward. It's going to be hard for us to do on this call.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, and Dan, I'll give you a little bit I mean, just we part of the debt that we took on as a revolver obviously a 2.8. So, as the as the cash balance works out, we would return the revolver. As you know, the CARES Act loan and the PSP loan, which combined our $6.4 billion are pre payable at any point in time. We have pre payable aircraft mortgages of $3.1 billion, and our SGRs are pre payable, we can pay down in a point in time. So, we have $17 billion to $20 billion that is as long as we get the liquidity and get the cash that we could use that to pay-off the debt that's there. First thing we would do is a revolver and we would just return the revolver when we're comfortable and that's about $2.8 billion of the debt.
Daniel McKenzie:
Very good. Thanks, you guys.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Dan.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Hunter Kay with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.
Doug Parker:
Good morning.
Hunter Kay:
Hey, Doug, Derek. Just briefly what is the -- what is your three year vision for American Airlines?
Doug Parker:
Well, I guess it's going to be kind of like what at this point in time now describing what the next three years looks like is not the easiest thing to do. But sitting here right now to get first I'd like I can get to the first one pretty easy which was getting through this crisis and continuing this airline back to where we're generating cash. So, we're talking about burning cash. So, that I know we can do, look they'll pay you this one and it may be helpful. As horrible as this crisis is and there's not much because you can say about one nice one thing. The one opportunity it's given us which I think is more helpful to us than others. We American and then we cover. And it gave us a chance, post integration to literally start to take the largest airline in the world and start to and shut it down and start it from scratch. That's a real opportunity that we're using. That allows us to only add back what makes sense. Things that might have taken us a very long time to continue to get through in getting manage our reductions and giving over every time getting more efficient throughout the airlines flying exactly where it makes sense. Look at network and say in total it makes sense but some routes not doing as well as others. That's going to make us much more efficient, we come out of that. Out of it, we're excited about that. So, we're going to add back only what makes sense. We'll come through it more efficiently. That looking forward to that day, when we're through all this and we can and we have that advantage. So, that has been helpful to us, and again something that I guess say probably because we had more need to do that coming still through integration. And that gives us more opportunity to do that. So, anyway as it relates because of that. Once we get to a more steady state environment, what I think you'll see from American is or is relative to our competitors, our relative performance will be improved. And as the industry improves, we will endeavor to what's reaching to pay down the debt we've had we've all had to incur to fund these lines.
Hunter Kay:
Okay, thanks. And then, just my second question, just three very specific ones. Can you just give me your daily cash burn number for 3Q, what are you expecting for revenue in 3Q and how much you're expecting third quarter operating expense to decline?
Doug Parker:
Yes. Again, I think the guidance we gave was to give you the liquidity numbers the liquidity and additional finance and so you can calculate from that, from the estimated cash burn. I'm sure there you know the other ones --.
Derek Kerr:
While, I think the third quarter cost down is going to be adjusted because with seats shared as we pull the capacity on. So, we ran about 46% in the second quarter down in cost. We believe that we're going to fly, so we fly -- we flew a little bit more in July but we think we're going to pull down August and September. So, I think that it'll be a little bit lower than that but not too far off. So, in the -- if we're at 46 for the quarter, we're probably going to be in the 40, 42 range for that in the third quarter from an expense standpoint. And then from a revenue standpoint, we were at 86% down in the second quarter, maybe 80% in the third quarter, 75% to 80% in the third quarter but it's depending on what we do with capacity in August and September which as Vasu said we're looking at that now and with the buyers to bring it down.
Hunter Kay:
Thank you, Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Okay. Next one?
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joseph DeNardi with Stifel. Your line is now open.
Joseph DeNardi:
Yes, hi. Good morning. Doug or Robert, I think you all are in the window or nearing the window on when you could renegotiate or start talking to Citi and Barclays about an extension. Can you just talk about their willingness to engage their appetite for the business given the challenges the travel industry is facing. And whether we should assume an improvement in economics even if it's not or the same magnitude as the last contract. But still an improvement in economics if and when you can get a new contract. Thank you.
Robert Isom:
So, just Joe, its Robert. We have the ability to renegotiate in 2020 the contracts come due. We obviously are working, we have been working with both Citi and in Barclays. I could tell you from the work with both partners that there is tremendous interest. We know that the American Airlines, our customer base, and our loyalty program are credible assets to both Barclays and the Citi. We have every intent to continue those relationships and expect a tremendous amount of value to come back to American. Now obviously, the current environment is not the best in which to be talking about increasing values but as we take a look to the stabilization of the business and take a look at the future, I'm quite confident that the economics are going to be equal to and better than what they are today.
Joseph DeNardi:
Thank you. Then Derek, I think your NOLs are getting bigger. So, you've got back to 140 which is nice. Can you just remind us how that works and then your ability to use those, I think you had some that began to expire in 2023, so just how that works. Thank you.
Derek Kerr:
Yes. I mean, right now we have Federal at 90.1 billion stated about three. We believe we can use them, we're still as we look at forecast out we believe that they will all be used in the ones in 2023 will be used. If not, we will as put up and evaluate each an allowance for them if you look at the forecast and assume that they can be used. But as of right now, with the cash ability and changes we can do, we believe we will use all that point one that we're on prior to prior at the beginning of this year. And that and all will be used by 2023. We've got enough room to be able to use them all.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay, thank you.
Derek Kerr:
Okay.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Trent with Citi. Your line is now open.
Stephen Trent:
Thank you, everybody. And I appreciate you taking my question. Just curious in terms of your longer-term thinking. What's the view with respect to maintaining New York and Philadelphia hubs and I'm know you're cancelling some international destinations? But just trying to think in terms of how you're thinking about the optimization of those assets?
Vasu Raja:
Hi Stephen, this is Vasu, thanks for the question. We're additionally keeping both the Philadelphia and the New York hub. And we've seen this before. Look what when we put the merger together, there is a lot of worry that DFW Charlotte and the DFW Phoenix which are overlapping and contradictory purposes. Indeed, as we grown anyone, we've seen the RASM performance of all of them grow by having multiple how does it that have similar purposes you can go in and create a lot of value for the customer. And we see the same footprint not just with New York and Philadelphia but the three hubs at New York, London and Philadelphia. That we're going to go into a world where international is going to have a much longer recovery path. And frankly, American Airline already was producing less than industry RASMs in international. So, we envision Philadelphia as being the primary connecting point. In Philadelphia, we can connect between 90% of the country through there. The low exceptions being New York and Boston and Upstate New York. In New York City, we will focus it very heavily around O&D Markets out in New York and a major connecting market that be it things like Vegas, Orlando, things like that. And in London, we have a great market and with our partner IAG the opportunity to go and expand London where we can go provide more current activity not just in the Europe but in the places like Middle East, Africa and India. Between the three, even though we go into a world where demand is more competed, where next year we will be a materially smaller carrier and an extremely smaller carrier internationally. This enables us to go and take a bigger share of what demand is there, provide a maximum amount of connectivity to the customers in the process.
Stephen Trent:
Okay, very helpful. Let me leave it there and everybody stay healthy and safe.
Vasu Raja:
Thanks, Stephen.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of David Koenig with The Associated Press. Your line is now open.
Robert Isom:
Hi, David.
David Koenig:
There's a guy who used to work at America West and he said yesterday that his current airline specs that revenue is going to rise about 50% of pre-COVID and stay there until there is a vaccine that's widely available. I wondered if Doug, if you agree with that view or if you have a different idea about how the recovery on solds and how you're going to get to even to 50%?
Doug Parker:
Yes. There I know that guy too. And I also know he said it's anyone's guess and now what's your guess. So, it's reasonable, I don’t have any reason to tell you that we disagree with that and certainly kind of what we're planning or is a look forward is consistent with that type of recovery. I don’t think any of us believe that we're going to get anything close to. I mean, the old demand until there is a vaccine, it's widely spread. So, anyway until that point, on that point I hope he's right that once it happens, demand returns quickly.
David Koenig:
Or is it, this current wall is just kind of a temporary stall here with the recent surge in cases?
Doug Parker:
Oh yes, there again what we've seen with certain cases we saw some -- we saw what was a continual growth in demand sequentially month-to-month plateau. And so, that certainly happened. And as cases hopefully fall in the future, one would expect that you see what we saw through April, May, and June, as demand recover somewhat. But again, nothing that we would anticipate, really gets back to the kind of demand we talked 2019. And how the country's moving. And I mean, this is the last of our peoples concern about flying and much more about having a reason to travel. And having business open and moving and having places to go when you travel and not needing the quarantine. And as those things happen, more and more people will travel but clearly in some cases all that's not going to happen until we get to a vaccine.
David Koenig:
Okay, thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, David.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tracy Rucinski with Reuters. Your line is now open.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Tracy.
Tracy Rucinski:
Hi, good morning.
Doug Parker:
Good morning.
Tracy Rucinski:
I was wondering what your deals are on how business travel is going to evolve. Do you see any permanent changes?
Vasu Raja:
Hey Tracy, this is Vasu. Thanks for the question. Look, it remains to be seen. So, much of what this crisis is, it's not just the demand as well but it's such uncertainty about it. Yes, we do see evolutions that are out there but in many ways we're already seeing as that the customer segmentation is changing a little bit from business and leisure which airlines and historically defined and in different kinds of transactions and much more what customers are keen to regain. So, to resume their economic flights and which customers are less ready to. And often times the differences between those are a function of people's confidence in resuming it and necessity. So, a great example of this is whenever we were in the first week of April which is probably our lowest point for booking small-and-medium sized book -- business bookings out of Texas were almost zero. They were like 10,000 a week which is not even single-digit percentages. By June the 15th, after Texas went through phase III reopening, they had increased 300% to 45,000 or so which is still relatively small but far from -- they are far from where we would like them to be. And that same period corporate books didn’t really change it all. So, it is likely to think that for a period of time, one business bookings as we historically call them is going to be very different and companies are unlikely to go and resume their economic life. So, it's bigger companies. And there is a lot of uncertainty around what and how smaller companies might be. So, we are planning certainly for some very conservative assumption and in many ways is continuing to adapt the airline for the change in customer base had become.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Vasu, thanks Tracy.
Robert Isom:
So, we're ready to go on to next question.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alison Sider with Wall Street Journal. Your line is now open.
Doug Parker:
Hello, Ali.
Alison Sider:
Hi, good morning. Doug, can you is there anything you can share about sort of how many flights were in terms of capacity what the change will be from July to August? It looks like you're still trying to fly more than some of your peers, is that kind of how you see it?
Vasu Raja:
Hi Ali, this is Vasu, thanks for the question, good to speak again. Look, we haven’t finished loading all of that changes in the August or even in the September. And how we load that change is probably going to occur over multiple periods of time. As we've kind of described before, we've changed a lot of our internal processes around is whimsical. In this environment of uncertain demand, we will have to adapt and we have to be flexible. So, we describe ourselves as being nimble or adaptable, it's not using this and we're flying more, it means exactly that. That in the pace of uncertain demand, the airline has to evolve. And so, while we envision viewing really in August you'll see it pretty consistent with our comments on this call that we continue to see our biggest hub DFW and Charlotte building, we anticipate keeping the connectivity there but doing a lot of other adjustments because markets are a much more dependent on business style traffic are likely to not come in. To put a finer point on it, once we cross Labor Day, historically in this airline about 40% of our revenues come up off business and it's pretty unreasonable at this point to think that we'll get anywhere close to that. And so, we really said we're more dependent on business or likely to come out. But rather than making a single blanket call and taking it all at one time, you'll see us make this cut over a period of time. So, we envision really in August where we're still taking bookings that are lot more of our capacity, we'll sit in the biggest hubs than not. And as we mentioned earlier, we'll take some pretty material reductions to what we're out there selling both in the second-half of August and post-Labor Day, such that Q3 capacity will be at a minimum down about 60%.
Alison Sider:
Got it. And yes, just trying to get my mind on how much of this is seasonal, does this have to look sort of never going to come back in the fall and how much of it is sort of a change in thinking about the demand trajectory?
Vasu Raja:
Well, what I say there has been definitely some seasonality to it. And really it's not very much of a change of thinking about keeping the airline schedule and operating fact that's really flexible so we can adapt to the change in demand landscape. And that's what we've been doing throughout the crisis, we'll continue to do along the way.
Alison Sider:
Alright, thank you.
Vasu Raja:
Thanks, Ali.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Claire Bushey with Financial Times. Your line is now open.
Claire Bushey:
Hey. Have you ever seen the response from the Vice President or the European Commission of the Home Affairs regarding that letter you sent about transatlantic COVID testing and what sort of would this testing regime look like?
Vasu Raja:
Hey, this is Vasu. I'm starting with the question. We've and the candid answer is that we are still looking at it and evaluating it, discussing heavily with our partner IAG. And then, so we don’t have a lot of insight yet but in the next few days and weeks we expect it.
Doug Parker:
And we've not had responses yet, just since we went out last week.
Claire Bushey:
Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Justin Bachman with Bloomberg L.P. Your line is now open.
Justin Bachman:
Hi, good morning and thanks for the time today. I wanted to ask about there were 12 or so Boeing Max aircraft that you were looking for additional help in financing that would be delivered this year. Do you have any updates on where that stands and if those there planes are coming to American or if you've decided to move on or differ those?
Derek Kerr:
Hey Justin, this is Derek. The plan is to take those aircraft while we're working with Boeing is a firm upset financing and make sure that with the delays in the aircraft that that financing is firm. We are having really good discussions with the Boeing team, working hard, they're a great partner for us. We totally plan on taking those aircraft, there's 13 that are built that haven’t come to us yet and there is another four that are supposed to come by the end of the year; so another 17. So, we're going to Boeing to make sure that those are financed as we said in the comments that we don’t plan on taking any aircraft that are financed. But we're working well and we're also looking at the 21 and 22 aircraft. So, we're not done, we're in we're talking with them and all conversations are good and our plan would be to still take all 100 aircraft we have on order over time and just when we take them is the discussions that we're having. But good discussions, not done yet, will be done pretty soon I think.
Justin Bachman:
So, all of those 17 that you just mentioned, will that be this year or does some of those slip into '21?
Derek Kerr:
We hope all 17 is this year but it all depends on when you when the aircraft is back up in the air and how quick they can get them and deliver them. But we would be okay to have them all this year. Some of them may slip into next year but I would assume by early part of next year they would all be here.
Justin Bachman:
Great, thank you.
Derek Kerr:
Yes.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Leslie Josephs with CNBC. Your line is now open.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Leslie.
Leslie Josephs:
Okay, hi good morning everybody. A quick question on the salaries and the labor bill looks like it's down close to 21% compared with last year. Are you going to have any money left over if it kind of continues on that trajectory there we do signed schedules or other revoked leave. And are you can you use the Paris payroll support for severance packages or do you have other plans if that happens, and you do have a left over from the PSP?
Derek Kerr:
We will not have any left over from the PSP. I think the amount of PSP there we received was about 76% of the salary over the second and third quarter. So, there won't be any money left and we can't use that PSP money for severance and other things; that's other cash.
Leslie Josephs:
Okay, thanks.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Leslie.
Operator:
Thank you. Our last question comes from the line of Edward Russell with PPG. Your line is now open.
Edward Russell:
Hi, thank you for taking my question. I just wanted to add getting your own words. If you think that American strategy deploy more capacity in the second quarter especially in June was worth it and if you just you have to explain why you're thinking behind that?
Doug Parker:
Sure. And I'll start, then Vasu you can chime in. And what this -- we did indeed why more is in my view anyway we're got into somewhat made it to a bigger issue than certainly the way we think of it. This is a tactic in crisis management. As we're all managing through a crisis trying to scale with as individual airlines. I think it's accurate to say that we will twice as much as some other airlines but it's also accurate to say that we put 40% of our prior schedule and other airlines 20% of their prior schedule. And so, the real story there is that we're down 60% and they're down 80%. This is the crisis. We all work to figure out what's best for our airlines. Our network team did a phenomenal job. Seeing that while as we all had pulled down schedules, that connectivity in particular had then reduced throughout the country and that we could by focusing on our DFW and Charlotte hubs have the ability to have more connectivity than others and give us advantage on the limited demand that was there to carry more than we would otherwise. So, that absolutely worked in June as in my comments in our revenue per ASM in June was six times what it was in April. And we that would not have been the case that we found only 20% of our capacity and in many ways of finding more and having that kind of increase in RASMs. We're extremely happy with it. It's worked well into July and we're happy with the results we've seen in July. Our low factors remain high and higher than our competitor airlines even though we're flying more. So, we're really happy with that tactics. It's not going to make a big difference six months from now is we did some and we have others that are trying to be bigger than everyone else over time. It's just a tactic during this crisis which's worked out really well for us. And we're really proud of us and what it sees is network to clients and orders and other came -- it's more just in team with counter strategy to manage the crisis. It's worked really well for us. Anything to add, Vasu?
Vasu Raja:
Yes. The only thing I would add to that matter is that as Doug said it did very much work well for us. Simple way to think of it is we have come 60% more than our primary competitors and generated 60% more passenger revenue. So, by any means, being able to have that come in was big and a big part for what our cash burn looks the way it does. But also require finer point on few things that Doug just mentioned. Look, it taught us a lot too along the way as we went through June. Fewer than 2% of our flights were flying below 25% but very too strong with our DFW and Charlotte were 60% at the airline and produced 11 and 12 set RASMs which even in a normal June would be a really good June for many of the airlines all around the world. So, that were very instructive to it and also by flying that big, we got to get a really we have to try a lot of things across the commercial organization that has taught us a lot about how our customer base is evolving and those are all things we're putting into practice. And like Doug said, this was a tactic of managing and it was really a one-time thing that we did knowing that June and July would be months where if there were discretionary leisure travelers, that's the time to get them. And clearly in the fall where the airlines becomes more dependent on business travel that is no longer a planning reality for us. And so, we're adjusting that we're taking the insights we learned along the way with us.
Edward Russell:
Great. Thank you, very much.
Vasu Raja:
Okay.
Operator:
Thank you. This concludes today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker for closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
Thank you very much for your interest and we appreciate if you have any questions, either contact Investor Relations or Cravens. Call the Investor Relations department. We appreciate your time. Thanks, bye.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating, you may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group first quarter 2020 earnings call. Today’s conference call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session, you will need to press star, one on your telephone. If you require any further assistance, please press star, zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens. Please go ahead, sir.
Dan Cravens:
Thanks Cindy. Good morning everyone and welcome to the American Airlines Group first quarter 2020 earnings conference call. With us in the room this morning we have Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, our President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also on the call for our Q&A session are several of our senior execs, including Maya Liebman, Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs, Don Casey, our Senior Vice President of Revenue Management; and Vasu Raja, our Senior VP of Network Planning. The focus of today’s call will be our response to COVID-19. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our quarter and the actions we’re taking. Robert will then follow with commentary about our team members, customers and network. Derek will then walk us through the details on our fleet, cost outlook and liquidity. Then after we hear from those comments, we’ll open the call for analyst questions and lastly questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin, we must state that today’s call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecasts of capacity, fleet plans, and liquidity. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found on our earnings release that was issued this morning along with our Form 10-Q as of March 31, 2020. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, and that can be found on our website. The webcast of this call will also be archived on our website and the information that we’re giving you on the call is as of today’s date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thanks again for joining us. At this point, I’ll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Dan. Good morning everybody and thanks for joining us. Before I get into the numbers, I want to offer a few thoughts on the challenging times that we and our entire industry are facing. The spirit and efforts of the American Airlines team during this crisis have been nothing short of extraordinary. The human and economic toll of COVID-19 has been enormous, and like others, we’ve lost members of our own team and our hearts are heavy for their families, friends and coworkers. In the face of this great loss, the American team continues to rise to the challenge and meet the needs of our customers and the communities we serve. They’re putting on their uniforms every day and transporting first responders to where they’re most needed, and other Americans to where they feel most safe. Our team members are frontline heroes in this battle and they are what makes America great. On behalf of the entire leadership team, I want to thank our team for what they continue to do every day. Turning to this quarter’s results, by far the most important recent event for our industry’s long term viability has been the passage of the CARES Act, which provides up to $50 billion of much needed liquidity to U.S. airlines. This unprecedented assistance recognizes the value that commercial airlines provide to our country and is designed to keep our hard-working team members employed and ready to serve the flying public whenever we start moving again. I want to again thank the administration and Congress for their exceptional support of airlines and our employees. I think it’s important to note that this would not have been possible without a tremendous amount of work and advocacy on behalf of airlines and our team members, so I’d also like to thank Nick Calio and his team at A4A as well as my A4A CEOs - Ed Bastian, Robin Hayes, Peter Ingram, Gary Kelly, Oscar Munoz, and Brad Tillman. We work in an intensely competitive business and in response to this crisis, we pulled together to save our industry and save jobs, and I’m proud to have been a part of it. We also had great support from our team members and the unions they represent. I’d like to also publicly thank all of our American Airlines union leaders as well as those who represent other airline employees. We absolutely could not have gotten this done without their leadership and a joint desire from all of us to fight for our team. As important as the CARES Act is, it certainly doesn’t solve everything. CARES provides the industry the breathing room we need to manage through the worst parts of the crisis and to pay our team members that we otherwise would have needed to furlough. But it does not fix the core problem that all of us have, which is revenue generation. Industry revenues have fallen an estimated 95% year-over-year in April, and while no one has a perfect crystal ball, I think we’d all expect the recovery will be slow and demand for air travel will be suppressed for quite some time. In this environment, there are three critical issues that any airlines must face
Robert Isom:
Thanks Doug, and good morning everyone. As Doug said, the downturn in demand for air travel has been dramatic and unlike anything we’ve ever experienced. Across the industry, cancellations have rapidly outpaced new bookings. While we have faced dire circumstances in the past, the American team has always persevered and I’m confident we’ll do so again. The safety of our team members and customers is paramount. We are taking a proactive approach to ensure that our team is safe by reducing contact points, providing personal protective equipment like face masks and gloves, and provisioning sanitizer and wipes. These steps are critical to ensure our team feels safe and can instill that confidence in our customers as well. Like Doug, I’m humbled by our team’s spirit and proud to stand by them in these challenging times. American continues to provide critical air service to those who need to travel during the pandemic. From the outset, we have met or exceeded CDC guidelines and will continue to coordinate with public health officials on all health and safety requirements. To enhance our already thorough cleaning process, we have implemented additional safety measures to ensure aircraft cleanliness and to accommodate social distancing. Specifically, we are enhancing our cleaning procedures through expanded fogging on board and the use of EPA-approved disinfectant in high touch areas. On board, this includes everything from bins and galleys to tray tables, on racks, and seat belt buckles. In airports, it includes the gate areas, ticket counters, as well as other areas frequented by our customers and team members. We’ve also purchased face masks for frontline team members and made them required for flight attendants starting May 1. We have started distributing sanitizing wipes or gels and face masks to customers. This will expand on all flights as supplies and operational conditions allow. To that end, American Airlines strongly encourages customers to wear face masks when they travel. Additionally, we have temporarily relaxed our seating policies and adjusted our airport procedures. Through May 31, American will limit the number of passengers on each aircraft. We will not assign 50% of the main cabin middle seats on every flight and will use those seats only when necessary. Our team will also reassign seats to create more space between customers or to accommodate families who need to be seated together. We are also using stanchions to encourage social distancing at gates and ticket counters, and we have reduced onboard food and beverage service to limit contact. To give customers as much peace of mind as possible when it comes to planning travel, we’ve extended waivers to anyone who has travel current through the end of the September, allowing them to change plans and travel through December 21 without incurring any change fees. Additionally, we have waived change fees for customers who purchased new tickets by May 31, 2020 for future travel. For our corporate customers, we have introduced more flexible travel waivers and free name changes. We recognize the interruption of travel for most people, so we’re making it easier for our customers to earn Advantage Elite status this year, and we’ve extended 2020 Advantage status into early 2022 for all members. Additionally, we have extended all paid Admiral’s Club memberships by six months. We remain committed to making sure that our customers are able to fly when they want to fly, and that they feel safe and comfortable even in these extraordinary times. We have adjusted our network to meet drastically lower levels of demand, taking swift action to right-size our schedule with system-wide capacity cuts and flight consolidations across our network. We’ve also delayed entering several new markets planned for launch later this year. New service between Austin and DFW, Christchurch and Los Angeles, Bangalore and Seattle will all be pushed into 2021. In addition, we have delayed the start of other new routes, including London-Heathrow to Boston, Tel Aviv to Dallas-Fort Worth, Casablanca to Philadelphia, and Krakow to Chicago. While we have reduced our schedule dramatically, we started operating cargo-only flights in March to transport critical goods between the U.S., Europe, Asia and Latin America. These are the first cargo-only flights American has operated since at least 1984. We are currently able to transport more than 6.5 million pounds of critical goods weekly on our cargo-only flights and will look for further opportunities to expand the service and bring medical supplies and protective gear to the areas that are most in need. While we continue to provide essential air service to those who need it most right now, our team has also extended their service outside of the operations. Team members have donated more than 100 tons of food in several of our hub cities, distributed thousands of supply kits to patients and healthcare workers, and sent care packages to U.S. military members in quarantine. In addition, through our partnership with the American Red Cross, our team and customers have helped raise nearly $3 million to support our frontline healthcare workers fighting COVID-19. In closing, we’re squarely focused on getting through this period of uncertainty and we’re closely managing our capacity and costs while taking care of our team members and customers. We’ll have a lot more to share in the coming months as we ramp up our operations post COVID-19. With that, I’ll pass it on to Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks Robert, and good morning everyone. I too would like to thank our entire team for doing an amazing job during these uncertain times. Their dedication and determination to get through this crisis is inspiring for all of us. As you saw in our press release and Form 10-Q this morning, we reported a GAAP net loss of $2.2 billion or $5.26 per share. Excluding net special items, we reported a net loss of $1.1 billion or $2.65 per share. We began the quarter on track to exceed our guidance; however, the COVID-19 pandemic and unprecedented drop in demand during March radically changed our outlook. Given the unpredictable nature of this event, we suspended our guidance for all of 2020. In light of the current environment, our sole focus is to ensure we have sufficient liquidity. To withstand this crisis, we have driven efficiencies in our operations by accelerating our fleet simplification plan and aligning our cost structure to our significantly lower capacity levels. We will continue to match capacity with demand and optimize our costs to our level of flying and identify additional ways to improve our cash burn rate moving forward. As Doug mentioned, the significant fall-off in demand has given us an opportunity to accelerate our long-term fleet strategy. We have officially retired the Embraer 190 and Boeing 767 fleets, which were originally scheduled to exit by the end of 2020. We have also accelerated the retirement of our Boeing 757s and Airbus A330-300s. Both fleets were expected to retire over the next few years. In addition, we have removed a number of smaller regional aircraft from our fleet. By removing these fleet types, we avoid significant future maintenance expense, remove complexity from our operations, and bring forward the efficiencies associated with operating fewer aircraft types. These savings include reduced aircraft sparing, reduced parts inventories, and crew scheduling efficiencies, all of which will have a significant effect on our cost structure going forward. Even with these changes, we retain the flexibility to pursue efficient growth through increased utilization or further reduce our fleet to match demand across our system and hubs. We have reduced our estimated 2020 operating and capital expenditures by more than $12 billion. In addition to lower fuel, these savings have been achieved through a wide range of initiatives, including reductions in flying and heavy maintenance expenses. Beyond just volume related reductions, we have taken a hard line on discretionary expenditures. Specifically, we have deferred marketing [indiscernible] event and training expenses, consolidated our footprint at airport facilities, and reduced the use of contractors. We have also suspended all non-essential hiring, paused non-contract pay increases, reduced execution and board compensation, and implemented voluntary leave and early retirement programs to lower our near term and long term labor costs. While we have done a lot to address our near term costs, we will continue to take the necessary steps to right-size our cost structure for the lower levels of capacity we expect in the near future. Finally on liquidity, we’ve moved quickly to reserve and bolster our cash position. We ended the quarter with $6.8 billion in liquidity. During the first quarter, we raised $2 billion through the issuance of $500 million of unsecured notes, a $1 billion 364-day delayed draw term loan facility, and approximately $477 million in aircraft financings. We were also able to reduce the pricing of our $1.2 billion term loan and extend it out until 2027. During the quarter, we also finalized the initial terms of the financial assistance we will receive as part of the CARES Act. This will come in two forms
Dan Cravens:
Thanks Derek. Operator, we are ready for questions.
Operator:
[Operator instructions] Your first question comes from David Vernon from Bernstein. Go ahead, Mr. Vernon.
David Vernon :
Sorry about that, guys - work from home fun. Derek, just to clarify, the $11 billion of liquidity at the end of the second quarter, that assumes the inflow from both portions of the CARES Act, the grant and the loan. Is that right?
Derek Kerr:
Correct. There is a portion of--there’s 10% of the grant that does come in the second quarter, so there’s about $600 million of the grant that shows up in July. But for the most part, yes, it includes about $10 billion of the government grant and loan, and then $600 million of it comes in July.
David Vernon:
Okay, and then as we think about the moving parts to get down to that $50 million burn rate, how much of the actions that would get you to 50 would be either temporary through voluntary time off arrangements? I’m just trying to get a sense for how much of an additional cut to the cash burn rate you guys are going to need to make in that September time frame as the CARES loans come off, because $50 million a day, $10 billion left, it gets you to the first part of next year, but it seems like there’s still some work to be done on the cost side there. Can you give us a sense for how much more you can get out of that $50 million a day?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I’ll tell you how we get there. The difference between where we are now and where we get to is there’s been a significant amount of refunds, so that has caused the number to be higher now than it has. As disbursements take hold, those take a little bit of time, so those are now starting to take hold and will stay in place as we go forward. The voluntary leaves and early outs, the early outs will be there forever, the voluntary leaves we have some three months, some six months, some nine months, and we believe if we need to do that in the future, we can do that again. The capex reductions are permanent and those are out throughout the whole time, and some of this is reductions in departures. The $50 billion assumes really very minimal receipts, so the difference, I think from a cost structure perspective, all of this is in place and can stay in place. The difference of that burn rate, as Doug talked about earlier, the issue with the industry right now is revenues, and to get that burn rate from a cost perspective, we have some more levers to go to bring it down, but the major difference in the burn rate is going to be receipts coming back and having some revenue coming in the door, versus refunds outpacing revenue and having no receipts come in the door.
Doug Parker:
And David, I would just add to what Derek said in his comments to your question, which is that $11 billion at quarter end does assume the government loan but it also assumes we’ve done other financing, so we expect to end the quarter still with a significant amount of unencumbered assets still in place. There would be more to do beyond that if we need to.
David Vernon:
All right, thanks guys.
Doug Parker:
Thanks David.
Operator:
Your next question comes from Mike Linenberg from Deutsche Bank.
Mike Linenberg:
Hey, good morning everyone. Just a couple questions here. When I look at your capex, I guess it was $3.3 billion coming in, and Derek, I think you indicated that $500 million of non-aircraft would be taken out, so I think it was 1.6, we’re looking at about $1.1 billion of non-aircraft capex, if you could just talk about what that $1.1 billion is. And then the $1.7 billion of aircraft capex you indicated that you’ve already--it’s already funded, presumably those aircraft deliveries are actually cash accretive. Can you talk about maybe how that’s structured? Thanks.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I’ll take the second one first. The answer is yes, they are cash accretive. They are 100% financed, if not more, so all of those--we do plan on taking all of those deliveries, and they are positive to the 2020 forecast. Most of the deliveries are in the back half because they’re Maxes that had been pushed out, but those are all cash accretive as we go forward. As far as the capex, we’re down to about 1.1. We’ve cut out everything that we can. The biggest project that’s in capex is our consolidating the fleets and making sure that the configuration on both of the fleets is the same. That project is going to continue and we are going to--you know, with the aircraft on the ground, we’ll have the ability to speed that up a little bit, so. We don’t plan on pulling back on that project because I think it’s very important for our operation, it’s very important for the team to get that one done, and that takes up at least 40% of that capex. The rest of it is just mandatory stuff we have to do with parts. There are some other IT projects that we’d still like to move forward with, and those are involved in that, but that’s kind of the gist of where we’re at. Anything that doesn’t have to be done, any type of facility things that don’t have to be done have all been taken out of the capital plan for the next two years.
Mike Linenberg:
Okay, great. My second question, just on the fleet, your 950 airplanes main line, I think you identified close to 100. That said, you have a relatively new fleet, so when we look at the next 850, fleet reductions become a bit more difficult since you have a lot of new airplanes. I’m curious, what would you target next, and just sort of a nuance there, the A330s, you’re pulling out the 300s but you have 15 200s, are those planes next or is it more about just the way that they’re financed and the lease agreements? Thanks for taking my questions.
Derek Kerr:
No, I think there is two fleet types that we’ve looked at that, that it’s just a question of the timing of the return and do they come back, depending on where we are, so the flexibility--as you talked about, the 332s, there’s 15 of those, we have 737s, there’s 42 older aircraft that we’ve looked at, so those are a couple of the areas that we would go. We have lease expirations of 26 in 2021 and 21 in 2022, so those are out there, and we do have some older A320s that you could look at. But I think there is the levers to go down farther. The 332 is more fleet simplification for sure, if you went down that path, but as you said, they’re financed out a ways. But we’re looking at those are the fleet types that we’re looking at as we go forward and then maybe you have some lease expirations that you let go next year.
Robert Isom:
And Derek, 50 seizures, corresponding about 50 seizures as well.
Mike Linenberg:
Yes, okay. Good point. All right, thanks everyone.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks Mike.
Operator:
Your next question comes from Jamie Baker with JP Morgan.
Jamie Baker:
Hey, good morning everybody. [Indiscernible] negotiations are going well or you wouldn’t have put the government loan in your liquidity build, but is there a Plan B in case the Treasury turns you down? As a follow-up, have we also confirmed with Treasury, and I may have just overlooked this, that 100% of the proceeds could be drawn all at once?
Derek Kerr:
We’re having a--we’ve been working with Treasury. The government grant process went really well. We really appreciate everything they’ve done for this program. You know we’ve put in for the loans a week ago, a week and a half ago, so we’ve started to have some conversations, but our working with the Treasury team and the PJT team has been great. We’ve had constructive conversations as we move forward, and with the collateral we have, we believe that there is--we can get a deal done and that everything--that they’re going to be reasonable about it. So we’re moving down that path, we believe we’re going to get it done, and so that’s our number one goal as we move forward, to get that complete first. Then with the extra collateral we will have left in the end is to go down and look at other opportunities as we move forward, but I’m confident that working with the Treasury Department and the team that we can get the government loan put in place.
Doug Parker:
Jamie, it’s Doug, if you don’t mind. Just to--that gives me a nice opportunity to thank some people at Treasury as well. Look, you and I were amongst those that were around in 2001, and I was running an airline that needed help to get through that from the Treasury Department, and it was extraordinarily difficult. This feels dramatically different than that time. This Treasury Department is working night and day to do everything they can to get much needed liquidity into the U.S. economy, to make sure that the economy is able to get running again, so that includes how they are treating this airline support. It was clear with the payroll support program, I think how they handled that. They are doing what they have to do, of course, which is make sure that the U.S. taxpayer is paid back, so when it came to the payroll support program, that they could absolutely guarantee we’re getting paid back through things like unemployment savings and higher income taxes. Seventy percent of the grant was indeed a grant. That that wasn’t went into a loan, but a very low interest loan over 10 years. As it relates to the loan program itself, they have--at the time we talked about the payroll support plan, they were good enough to talk to all of us about the loan program itself and recognized again that they want to be sure that the taxpayers are repaid, but I think they know the best way to do that is ensure that airlines have liquidity to get through a liquidity crisis. Again, we still have to get through the work here in the next few weeks, but you’re right, we wouldn’t have talked about how we’re looking to that as our next source of most efficient capital if we didn’t feel confident that it would be the next source of efficient capital. But their view is five year loans, different rates for carriers based upon credit rating, as we were told. For us, it’s LIBOR plus 3.50. At today’s LIBOR, that’s a little over 4% on five-year money. That is the most efficient financing out there for American Airlines, and they’re looking for--it needs to be secured, but I think they’re willing to be more than reasonable about collateral, and also looking for appraisals that we have, that we feel very confident that we will be able to arrange that loan and still have significant unencumbered collateral after.
Jamie Baker:
Got it. Doug, that perspective is actually really, really valuable, because you’re right - the United precedent with the ATSB was clearly on my mind, so I appreciate all of that commentary. A quick follow-up to your earlier comment, Doug, about resizing the franchise. It might have been sort of where Mike was going as well - my phone was cutting in and out. Not looking for a 2021 capacity guide, unless you want to give us one, but my question is how much could you shrink relative to the 2019 baseline if you only put down owned aircraft and allow leases to expire? I guess put differently, how much could you shrink before there begins to be a cost in terms of parking aircraft? Not thinking about facilities, not thinking about the toll on labor, just a specific aircraft question.
Doug Parker:
Additional airplanes above the 100 that we’ve already announced?
Jamie Baker:
Well, you still have owned and fully depreciated aircraft, you have lease expirations coming up that I don’t have particularly good clarity, and if you allow those to expire and put down owned aircraft, there’s no real expense to that. My question is how much on a percentage basis could you shrink ASMs before contemplating putting down an airplane for which there is still an ownership cost or a lease expense? Is that 10% relative to 2019, is it 20%? And if you don’t have the figures, that’s fine - we’ve done some back of the envelope, I was just curious to hear your take.
Vasu Raja:
Hey Jamie, this is Vasu. The figure’s a little bit different on an airplane basis versus an ASM basis, because our gauge will change, so on an ASM basis we estimate that number between 15% to 20%, depending on how you draw that time period. My number includes all jets - regionals, narrow bodies, wide bodies, so on an ASM basis, that number is probably more in the 10% to 15% because of course the things we would look to do are take out smaller jets like 50-seaters and keep more economical things like bigger 737s, 321s, things like that.
Jamie Baker:
Perfect. That’s exactly what I was looking for. I’ll pass the mic to the next analyst. Thank you so much, gentlemen. Good luck.
Doug Parker:
Thank you Jamie.
Operator:
Your next question comes from Joseph DeNardi from Stifel.
Joseph DeNardi:
Yes, thanks. Good morning. Derek, can you just talk about the nature of the unencumbered assets that you have, realistically what sort of capital you could raise against that? Then what is the value of the loyalty program, since that’s kind of a pretty big note between--you know, that’s still out there for you? Thank you.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I think--you know, going to number two, you’re the one that has done the best work on the loyalty program by far, and your number is pretty good from where we have an appraisal of the program. I think the value of that program is high, and I think you have pointed that out, rightly so, and you are in the range of appraisals that we’ve gotten back for that. That has a very high value to us. Of the $10 billion, about $2 billion is aircraft spare parts, engines, those kinds of things. About $5 billion is slots, so that gets us to seven. We’ve got A/R about $1.8 billion and real estate about $1.2 billion, so there are different things we can do with different products. Of that $10 billion, 40% maybe loan to value on certain things, 40% to 50%, just in the fact that I think some can do more than others and gain more cash from an LTV basis than other collateral. But maybe I’d say 4 to 5. We also have in our slots, gates and routes the 364 deal that we have to refinance at some point in time. There is $4.4 billion of collateral in there which will be used at some point in time to refinance and probably do a bigger transaction as you combine that with other collateral that we have.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay, that’s helpful. Then maybe for Vasu, what is getting as much smaller as you think you might on the other side of this mean for the hub structure of the network? Thank you.
Vasu Raja:
Yes, thanks for the question, which I’m going to interpret to mean, does this mean that we shrink hubs or eliminate ones, so let me be very direct about this. We have no plans to close any hubs, in fact far from it. As we see this--look, the core of our customer proposition is providing connectivity, and indeed that is something that we do not just versus all other airlines, but even all other network airlines. We are uniquely good at providing connections from customers in small cities across the Americas, North and South America, that connect them to the global marketplace. As dark and daunting as this crisis is, this is the moment for real clarity, and so this is not about dismantling our customer proposition but sharpening it and refocusing it. With that in mind, the way we are thinking about trying to get a lot of the same value that historically people tried to rein through hub closure, it’s first and foremost, as Derek and Doug mentioned, through fleet simplification, which is big. If we just take out fleet, of course you take our direct expense, so when we simplify away fleets, then you take out more intractable expenses like indirect costs of parts and tooling, fixed overhead, things like that. But importantly, that makes the airline a lot more lean and a lot more nimble, a lot more capable of being able to move fleets around markets, respond to a recovery when and if it comes, many of the things that have been difficult for us to do, frankly, over the last four or five years. Then two, the other thing that we look to do with that kind of agility is really put the capacity even more aggressively to where the demand is, and without going too far into it, I think I can very confidently say you won’t see us de-peaking DFW through this whole process - in fact, far from it. Then the third thing, which is really different from past crises for us, is really the power of our partnerships here, because now we have things such as our growing partnership with Alaska on the west coast, that in a lot of markets that are challenged, that growth is inhibited because of constraints on slots or dates or routes. What we’re now able to do is offer the customer a much larger network that can compete with bigger rivals in oftentimes unwinnable markets, so that means that we should be able to see that in higher quality revenues for American Airlines at a lower amount of investment. So we do not plan for mass scale hub closures; in fact, our hubs are a massive asset to us as we think about a really very focused customer proposition coming out of this.
Joseph DeNardi:
Thank you.
Operator:
Your next question comes from Duane Pfennigworth from Evercore.
Duane Pfennigworth:
Hey, thanks. Doug, good morning. Regarding your commentary about a multi-year recovery and what this looks like in the long term, just curious if you could share what the financial targets are that will shape your plans. As we think about the crisis here and now, burning over $6 billion in cash just this quarter, your exit rate implies about a $4.5 billion burn rate into 3Q, net debt on its way to perhaps $40 billion this year. What are the financial targets that will shape your 2021 plans - burn less cash?
Doug Parker:
Thanks Duane. At this point, we’re working, again as I think all of us are, at getting through the current liquidity crisis rather than building 2021 plans. But for certain as we come out of this--you know, prior to this, American had gotten to the point where we were happily through a large capex program and were moving aggressively toward using our free cash flow to de-lever the balance sheet. That will certainly be the case as we come out of this now as we do move to generating free cash flow in the future. The proceeds of that free cash flow will be going to pay down debt and to pay it down as aggressively as we can. That’s what you can expect to see when we get to that point, but nothing more concrete than that in terms of estimates or metrics for 2021 at this point.
Duane Pfennigworth:
Then just on the $11 billion liquidity target, what are you assuming for the working capital headwind related to the air traffic liability? We had a lot of questions around this for a number of airlines, not just American, but can you walk us through the mechanics of why the ATL did not decline in the March quarter and the outlook for that into the June quarter, considering things like cancellations, etc.? Thanks for taking the questions.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I think the ATL didn’t decline in the quarter because it was positive by about--our ATL for the quarter was positive 665. We had positive 785 in January, positive 487 in February, and negative 618 in March. That is the time when ATL does build for us, and if you--you know, this didn’t even really hit until middle of March, so those two happened. We did have refunds during the quarter of about $900 million, so we did have ATL grow, we had refunds of $900 million really driven by sales in the first two months of the time period. We do believe that ATL will decline in the second quarter. Our projections, I think April we had refunds--we haven’t finalized it yet, but we think it’s in the $600 million range, if not more, and we do project about $400 million in May and about $200 million more in June, so the quarter is going to be hit by some $1.2 billion to $1.3 billion worth of refunds, and that is built into the daily cash burn numbers that we gave you. That’s why we talked about receipts being really low in the $70 billion a day daily burn, so that is built in. We do have an ATL that we think is going to be negative, but in the first quarter it was positive really because as we entered March, things looked really good from where we were, and I think for all people that was pretty much the same picture. We just had the burn coming in, in March.
Duane Pfennigworth:
Very clear, thanks Derek.
Operator:
Your next question comes from Hunter Kay from Wolfe Research.
Hunter Kay:
Good morning. Thanks for getting me on. This is kind of a follow-on to the question. I know you don’t want to talk about ’21, but how do you plan on digging out of this debt pile here, Doug? Based on what Vasu said, it doesn’t seem like you guys are going to be really gutting costs, so pragmatically speaking, how do you dig out of this debt pile? How do you generate that free cash flow once you get through this crisis?
Doug Parker:
Through earnings. Again, we were nicely forecasting positive free cash flow prior to this. We need to get back to a point where we’re generating free cash flow in the future, and as we do that, like I say, we’ll be using that to pay down the debt over time. As Derek noted, while we do indeed come out of this with more debt than we would have liked, as it relates to the actual cash flow situation regarding the debt, we don’t have any major amortizations for the next couple years, and like I say, as we come out of this, like all carriers, and get to a point--we need to get to a point again where we’re generating positive cash flow, which we certainly will at some point, and when we do that, we’ll use that to pay down the debt as we go forward.
Derek Kerr:
And Hunter, we are really good at--I mean, the work that’s been done to get the cost structure where it is right now is only beginning, so Vasu and his team are working through what the schedule is going to look like in 2021. The whole purpose of retiring fleets was to simplify things and to drive the cost structure to where it needs to be, and we’re still looking at other opportunities to do that. We will go through a comprehensive look at the expenses of the airline over the next few months here to right-size the expenses to where Vasu’s going from a network perspective.
Hunter Kay:
Okay. Then of the 39,000 volunteers for early retirement and the like, how many of those 39,000 are permanently retired?
Derek Kerr:
There’s 4,500 early outs.
Hunter Kay:
Thank you Derek.
Operator:
Your next question comes from Miles Walton from UBS.
Miles Walton:
Thanks, good morning. Doug, I just had a question for you on customer behavior, specifically as you alter some of the procedures for safety on board the plane. Something like blocking the middle seat, how long do you think something like that lasts if customers get used to it? Is it potentially that you’re putting it in there and it has to stay through vaccine development next year? How is that going to feed into your building of 4Q type of projections and scheduling?
Doug Parker:
A really good question. All of this is rapidly evolving, and today it’s not much of an issue, obviously. Over 80% of our flights I think are going out with lower than 25% load factor, so that constraint comes into play on a very, very rare basis. We think it’s the right thing at this point in time. Again, I can’t really answer your question other than to say it will continue to evolve over time. Today what we’re seeing is much more of a push toward facial coverings to give customers a level of comfort. We certainly are strongly encouraging that, and indeed as we said, we’ll soon - tomorrow - begin providing customers with masks to strongly encourage them to use them. Look, right now we think that’s an important part of the message to our customers, to know that we’re not going to have every seat on the airplane filled. There will be some seats available for those that require it, and we, as other airlines, right now think that’s an important part of the messaging. But again, we’ll see where that evolves over time. I don’t know that I can answer you any better than that.
Miles Walton:
No, that’s fine. It’s just a slippery slope when you start to put something in place and you don’t know exactly when to peel it back. Just wondering how you were thinking about it. Then maybe just a clarification on the CARES loan. How much of the unencumbered assets are you proposing to pledge against that, so we can know quarter end what your unencumbered assets are? Thanks.
Derek Kerr:
We don’t know yet. We’re still working with the Treasury to finalize that. It hasn’t been determined and we’ll just continue to work with them on what the right collateral value is for the $4.75 billion loan.
Doug Parker:
Maybe I’ll just reiterate what we said - of the $10 billion plus the Advantage program that we have available today, we certainly expect that we will have ample collateral available for the Treasury Department to feel good about their $4.75 billion loan being secured, and still have significant unencumbered assets after that process.
Miles Walton:
All right, thank you.
Operator:
Your next question is from Andrew Didora from Bank of America.
Andrew Didora:
Hi, good morning everyone. Thanks for getting me in here at the end. Just wanted to go back to the CARES Act. I guess my understanding of the government loan program is that government appears to be a lender of last resort and you need to exhaust a lot of your other avenues of financing before accessing the program. Based on your explanation, I think it’s fair to assume--you know, would you agree that I’m maybe off on this interpretation? Then as a follow-up to Miles’ question, in your discussions with the Treasury, have they indicated the type of collateral that they would be willing to take? Just trying to get a sense of what you could have left if you need to go to the public markets. Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Sure Andrew. Let me start and then Derek can fill in with details. As to the lender of last resort point, I don’t have the legislation in front of me but it says something to the effect of [indiscernible] has to show they don’t have reasonable access to public markets, or something like that. Again, in discussions with them, and I can’t stress enough again how exceptionally reasonable and helpful they’re being to all of us, we proposed things, we mentioned things such as--you know, for example in February or sometime earlier this year, we were able to do a C-tranche on a EETC at--
Derek Kerr:
We did it unsecured at 3.7.
Doug Parker:
We did an unsecured deal at 3.7, so we could do a C-tranche on an EETC at something lower than that. Today if we tried to do a C-tranche on an EETC, it’s some double digit number. They’re certainly not saying go do that. They view that as reasonable financing not being available at reasonable terms, so that’s--again, that’s for them to ascertain, but certainly their views seem to be not that you need to go raise--use all the collateral you have and turn to them only when there’s nothing else you can do, irrespective of the cost. So again, I think it is, one, the right thing to do for what they’re trying to accomplish, which is ensure the industry has liquidity it needs at reasonable rate, and what we’ve been told they’re going to do, so again I’d use this opportunity to thank them, not just Secretary Mnuchin, who we thank a lot, but Undersecretary Brent McIntosh, Deputy Secretary Justin Muzinich. The entire team has just been really very helpful about this. Then as to the collateral, again all I can say is that’s what we need to work though, and we have $10 million of unencumbered plus the Advantage program, which has appraised values that are, as Derek indicated, awfully high. Given all that, we feel good about what we have said, which is we will go raise the government loan and still have significant unencumbered assets outstanding. Let me use this opportunity for one more--to give credit where credit is due to Derek and the treasury team. These numbers we’re giving, $11 billion at year end--sorry, at quarter end, with the government loan has thus far the most expensive debt we will have raised, and in that analysis is this government loan, so not saying that we won’t need to do other things in the future, but we’ve been going about this, going to go to the most efficient source of financing throughout, and I think we’ve done really well. I feel good about that and we’ll continue to do that, and right now that’s the next most efficient tranche to go after, so that’s where we expect to go. To the extent beyond that we need to do other things, we obviously will do so. I think Gary Kelly on the Southwest call said this as well - there is asymmetrical risk right now for cash. Not having enough is really expensive; having too much may be somewhat expensive, but you’ll just use that to pay down the debt sooner. That’s certainly the way we view it, and we’re going about it in a way of raising that which is most efficient first and getting to those that are less efficient later.
Andrew Didora:
Great, thank you for that, Doug. Lastly Derek, just a quick modeling question here. In the $50 million daily cash burn rate in June and beyond, what are you assuming--what is the EETC amortization assumptions in that number? Thanks.
Derek Kerr:
The EETC amortization for 2020 is about $2.2 billion for the full year.
Andrew Didora:
Great, thank you.
Operator:
At this time, we will take questions from the media. If members of the media would like to ask a question, please press star, one. Your first question comes from Alison Sider from Wall Street Journal.
Alison Sider:
Hi, thanks so much. I was wondering if you could tell us anything about any supply chain issues you’re seeing for masks. Where are you getting all these masks for crew and for passengers, and is it getting easier to find them?
Robert Isom:
Ali, it’s Robert. I’ll give you what we know. Look - there’s a lot of planning that goes into provisioning masks and sanitizers, and when we contemplated making changes to our cleaning programs and also any type of amenities for our customers, things have changed rapidly in just two or three weeks. As we take a look forward, with sanitizer we see ample supplies. With masks, it is a logistical issue of getting inventories to the right place, but we have sufficient quantities for our team, and as our commitment to offer masks and sanitizer to customers in flight, you’ll see us rolling that out. Our supply chain, it will take a number of weeks, but it’s not an issue of months at this point. I can’t point you to the exact sources of supply, but I will say that things have certainly eased--constraints have certainly eased over the last few weeks, to the point that we are able to make commitments like we have to both our tam and our customers.
Alison Sider:
Got it, thanks. I know you can’t say exactly where, but we’ve heard of other airlines having to go to Asia, or to China in particular to get masks. Is that where some of the sourcing is?
Robert Isom:
We’re sourcing wherever we can get the quality product that meets our needs throughout the country, but I don’t have the specifics on what percentage comes from where.
Alison Sider:
Okay, thanks.
Operator:
Your next question comes from Kyle Arnold from Dallas Morning News.
Kyle Arnold:
Hey, thanks for taking my call. You mentioned the 39,000 employees that took the early out leave and reduced hours. Can you talk a little bit about what your permanent workforce situation might look like after that CARES Act restrictions [indiscernible] and how you’re going to be looking at the needs and the size of the airline during the next few months?
Doug Parker:
Kyle, it’s Doug. Obviously hard to tell given the uncertainty around demand where we will be and how fast the consumer returns and how much we want to fly. But certainly given what we announced today with the retirement of all these aircraft, we will emerge from this in the fall with a smaller airline than we had anticipated prior to the virus, of course, and going into 2021 as a smaller airline. We will most certainly, irrespective of where demand is, go into the fall with more team members than we have work for, which is a challenge for certain. We hope to get through that the same way we’ve gotten to this point. The fact that we had 40,000--39,000 of our team members volunteer for leaves and early retirement, I think is an indication that we hopefully can be able to manage through that without having to do furloughs at that time. That’d certainly be our goal, to go through and make sure that we have the airline right-sized, properly sized, a good bit smaller than it is today, but do so in a way that takes care of our team, which has been front of mind through this entire process. We’ll look to do that, but those decisions are things we’re going to have to make when we get to that point, and that’s a goal at this point, one that I hope we can meet but not a certainty. Again, this is not unique to American. I think we’re all working through this at this point. As for right now, we’re working through the summer and through the terms and conditions on the CARES Act itself, and as we get into the fall, we’ll have to work--we will certainly be working productivity with our team to make sure we’re right-sized.
Operator:
Your next question comes from Mary Schlangenstein from Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Good morning. I wanted to ask, when you all have been mentioning the Advantage program as not being included in your unencumbered assets, can you talk about your willingness or your unwillingness to have to use that as collateral?
Doug Parker:
Derek, do you have an answer for Mary?
Derek Kerr:
No, I think there is willingness to use all of our collateral that is necessary for us to increase the liquidity to where we need it to be.
Doug Parker:
We wouldn’t [indiscernible] the program, if that’s what you’re asking. [Indiscernible] as an asset that we can use to raise much needed liquidity in this time, obviously we’re absolutely willing to consider it.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay, and if I can also ask, on the worker leaves, do you have any information in terms of--you know, since there are 3-6-9s, what percentage of those folks would be coming back right around September 30, when the restrictions on CARES Act loans go away?
Doug Parker:
I don’t know that we have that information, Mary. I don’t think we have that.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay, just wondering if that’s going to complicate your decisions going forward on whether you need to have furloughs or not, if you’ve got a bunch of folks coming back off of leave at that time. If that becomes available and I could get that, I’d appreciate it.
Doug Parker:
Yes, well anyway--Elise, do you want to answer that?
Elise Eberwein:
Yes Mary, I can call you offline about that. I would tell you that some of these leaves, the 3-6-9 months, we’ll be going back out and looking at extending those wherever we can if needed.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay, thank you.
Operator:
Your next question is from Leslie Josephs from CNBC.
Leslie Josephs:
Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. On the open labor agreements, how does coronavirus and this need to be a smaller airline affect those, and as you think about furloughs, how do any of the existing labor contracts affect those discussions?
Doug Parker:
The existing labor negotiations, flight attendants and pilots we’re in negotiations with, those negotiations--obviously it has an impact on those as we all work on the pace of those negotiations, we’ll still continue to talk and work through those to the extent we can. But right now, all of our team is working to take care of our team members through this issue, so certainly nothing to report about those moving forward beyond where they were at this point. Again as it relates to the labor contracts, as I said, our goal is to get through this without furloughs to our team. I’m sure our unions would support that goal and we’ll work together to figure out hopefully ways that we can do that, so that we have the workforce right-sized but have those that want to avail themselves of leaves or early outs doing so, and those that need to be working doing that as well. We’ll work with them on that. I would note again--yes, go ahead?
Leslie Josephs:
On the leaves, do you have any sense of why so many people are taking those leaves? Is it childcare? Can’t go to another airline though, but--
Elise Eberwein:
Yes Leslie, it’s Elise. It’s a combination of things, from childcare needs to wanting to take the summer away from flying, so it’s a variety of needs. It all depends on the individual.
Leslie Josephs:
Thanks.
Operator:
Your next question comes from Edward Russell, PPG.
Edward Russell:
Thanks for taking my question. Vasu, I was wondering if you could go a bit more into your statement on all the hubs coming back. Should we expect some hubs to come back faster or more robustly than others? I know you’ve been talking in the last few years about Charlotte, Dallas and Washington being the strongest hubs.
Vasu Raja:
Hey Ned, thanks for the question. It remains to be seen, quite frankly. As Derek mentioned, we are just now starting kind of a clean sheet exercise for what 2021 might look like, and so I couldn’t tell you with a lot of clarity. But for right now as we look at our schedule, clearly we have our biggest connecting complexes that are out there, primarily so that we can serve the vast majority of communities under the CARES Act with a minimum of resource expenditure, so that’s all you kind of see in our existing schedule today. Everything beyond it remains to be seen yet.
Edward Russell:
Great, thank you. Then one point of clarification - Robert, you mentioned some older 737s that could be retired. How many were they - were they 42? I missed that number.
Robert Isom:
Yes, 42.
Edward Russell:
Great, thank you.
Derek Kerr:
Operator, I think we’re done taking questions.
Operator:
That is correct, sir. There are no further questions at this time.
Doug Parker:
Excellent. All right, well thanks everybody for your time and attention. I will close where I closed my comments, with obviously this is a difficult time for our industry and our country, but we couldn’t be more proud of how our team and our industry is managing through this. We will get through this, I’m certain of that. I know our industry will get through this. We’ll fight through this successfully, and I’m particularly confident that American Airlines will be among those leading the way. We’ll keep you apprised as we move forward. If you have any further questions, please either contact Investor Relations or Corporate Communications. Thanks a lot.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group Fourth Quarter 2019 Earnings Call. Today's conference call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will be conduct at question-and-answer session. [Operator instructions] And now I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Dan Cravens:
Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the American Airlines fourth quarter 2019 earnings conference call. With us in the room this morning is Doug Parker, Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room for our question-and-answer session are several of our senior execs, including Maya Leibman, who is our Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications, Don Casey, our Senior Vice President of Revenue Management; and Vasu Raja our Senior VP of Network Planning and Alliance. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our financial results. Robert will then follow with commentary on the operational performance and other commercial initiatives. Derek will then walk us through the details of the fourth quarter and provide some additional information on our guidance for 2020. And then after we hear from those comments, we will open the call for analyst questions and lastly questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin, we must state that today’s call does contain forward-looking statements including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecast of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans, and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q from the third quarter September -- ending September 30, 2019. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as pre-tax profit and CASM excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and that can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on the website, the information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us this morning. At this point, I'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Dan. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Today we reported our fourth quarter and full year results for 2019. Excluding net special items, our fourth quarter net earnings were $1.15 per diluted share that's up 19% year-over-year. And our full year net earnings were $4.90 per diluted share that's up 8% on a year-over-year basis. While it's a solid year-over-year improvement especially given the tough environment we experienced, we know we can perform better and we will. As we look to 2020, we remain focused on three key areas that will create real value for our shareholders; producing excellent operating results; growing efficiently and profitably; and generating significant free cash flow. The past few months prove that that work is already paying off. When we spoke in October, we noted two key challenges that affected our third quarter earnings. First, we were on the heels of subpar operating reliability results as we work through labor contract negotiations. And second, our 2019 earnings were negatively impacted by the Boeing 737 MAX being grounded for more than seven months bringing a lot of uncertainty and frustration to our customers, our team and our shareholders. We committed then that we would swiftly and aggressively address both of these near-term issues and we've made meaningful progress. First as it relates to our operating reliability, we've seen enormous improvement including the best quarterly operating performance in company history in this past quarter. Robert is going to talk more about this in a minute, but we're incredibly proud of our team and the great work they're doing to take care of our customers and we're running a great operation. Second, on the MAX last quarter we discussed our clear position. The financial cost of the MAX grounding should be borne by Boeing shareholders not American. We're pleased that recently we reached a confidential settlement with Boeing to compensate American for the financial damages we incurred in 2019 due to the grounding of the MAX. While we can't disclose details of the agreement, American shareholders should know that the agreement reflects our priority to ensure our shareholders are adequately compensated with real value for the extended grounding. Of course the settlement only relates to the damages we incurred in 2019 and the MAX is still grounded so we'll continue to hold Boeing accountable for future financial damages to protect our company and our shareholders. Turning now to our 2020 priorities. First, operational excellence. Robert will talk more about this as I said and the ongoing initiatives we have to continue to ensure excellent operating results into the future. But one thing I want to point out is the impact the operation is already having on customer satisfaction. Our goal is to become customers' airline of choice and a measure of -- and as a measure of that we're looking to become the industry leader in customer Likelihood to Recommend scores or LTR. Running our reliable operation is a significant driver of that and our fourth quarter LTR results prove it. In this past quarter, our LTR returned near-record highs and improved year-over-year for the first time since the second quarter of 2018. That gives us great momentum and encouragement for 2020 and beyond. Turning to efficient profitable growth. We now expect to grow American's network by approximately 4% to 5% in 2020. However, annual growth rate estimates don't really tell the story of growth in American in 2020 because our capacity growth will be lower than 4% to 5% until the MAX returns and will be greater than that as the aircraft returns to service. But we're excited about that growth both before and after the return to service date, because it will be efficient and profitable growth. It will be in markets that are expected to produce at/or above average unit revenues largely because the gates we've been able to add in two of our most profitable hubs; Dallas/Fort Worth and Charlotte. It will also be highly efficient growth as it will be funded by the return of some aircraft already included on our cost structure, improved operating reliability and an increase in the gauge of our airplanes. Next in a particular interest to our investors, we are very pleased to have reached a point where we will be generating significant free cash flow. After six years of considerable capital investments in integration and fleet modernization, we're now seeing a significant decline in future CapEx needs and a return on those prior investments. Derek will provide more information on this in a moment but we expect two-year free cash flow to be $6 billion. We believe that free cash flow yield will be a key differentiator between American and our largest competitors going forward and we will keep investors apprised of our progress. This free cash flow will be used to naturally delever our balance sheet and return capital to shareholders. We continue to estimate that our total adjusted debt will decline by approximately $3 billion to $4 billion over the next two years and $8 billion to $10 billion over the next five years. So, in summary, we've made real progress in the fourth quarter and we'll apply that same tenacity to 2020. Our team is doing an amazing job of running a reliable operation and taking care of our customers. We have outstanding profitable growth opportunities ahead and we are intent on producing real cash returns for our investors. With that I'll turn it over to Robert.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning everyone. I'd like to start by adding my thanks to the American team for doing a phenomenal job taking care of our customers during the busy holiday travel period. We are pleased with the operation we ran in the fourth quarter and the momentum it gives us to further improve as we head into 2020. During the critical holiday period, we achieved record results for combined mainline and regional on-time departures, on-time arrivals, and completion factor, a fantastic way to end our strongest operational quarter on record. Throughout the spring and summer, reliability and customer service suffered because of exceptionally high aircraft out of service. That's not the case today. Since September, start-of-the-day aircraft out of service has steadily improved reaching best-ever levels in December and through January to-date. On December 24, we had our lowest number of aircraft out of service at the start of the day since the merger with more aircraft available to start the day, more flights departed and arrived on time, with fewer cancellations, and fewer disruptions to our customers' travel flight plans. To add up to Doug's comments about the MAX, we had previously pushed the return to service date to early June. Of course as new information becomes available like earlier this week, we'll reassess that timeline. And to that end, we'll continue to work closely with the FAA, Boeing our pilots and our unions on return-to-service preparation and a new flight schedule. As a reminder, by the end of 2020, we had planned to take delivery of an additional 26 MAX aircraft. We understand from Boeing that 13 of those aircraft have been built and are in storage and we expect most of the remaining aircraft to be delivered by the end of 2020. On the revenue front, we reported record fourth quarter and full year revenue. Fourth quarter revenue was up 3.4% to $11.3 billion. This marks the 13th consecutive quarter of unit revenue growth. For the year, our topline grew 2.8% to $45.8 billion. Derek will talk more about our revenue performance in his remarks. Looking at our business today, the revenue environment remains strong and the economy continues to show no signs of slowing down. Importantly, demand for American's product remains robust as our traffic growth continues to outpace GDP growth. Corporate demand remains strong and we're picking up share gap within that segment. This is driven in part by our operational improvement during the quarter, but also by the great work of our global sales and distribution team to drive that business forward. We saw a 28% increase in transactions through NDC-enabled channels during the fourth quarter. This growth is driven by adoption from NDC-connected agencies in both domestic and international points of sale. This is a key component of our goal of being the easiest airline to do business with, so we're excited to see NDC become available to a wider set of customers. Leisure revenue growth was also very strong in the fourth quarter as we delivered a record load factor and we're off to an outstanding start in the New Year. In 2019, our AAdvantage program enrolled the largest number of new members since the merger with the highest year-over-year growth occurring in the fourth quarter. We also ended the year with record numbers of co-brand card members, acquisitions, card spend, and flight redemptions. More members than ever are interacting with American through the enhanced digital experience in their -- of their -- in their AAdvantage accounts. And in 2019, our team delivered even more customer benefits by extending -- by expanding dynamically price redemption opportunities across our network. As Doug mentioned, our operational reliability improved in the fourth quarter and started our Likelihood to Recommend scores. In 2019, we took strides to improve the customer experience in several significant ways. We completed the installation of industry-leading high-speed Wi-Fi across our mainline narrow-body fleet for more than 700 aircraft, giving customers the ability to stay connected from gate to gate. We introduced the A321neo, enhancing what was already the youngest fleet among U.S. network carriers. We expanded the footprint of our industry-leading premium lounge product with new flagship in Admirals Club lounges in -- at DFW and renovated Admirals Clubs in Boston and Pittsburgh. We launched innovative partnerships with Apple, Blade, and the James Beard Foundation and expanded our relationship with Hyatt to improve customers' experience throughout their journeys with us. And we introduced biometric boarding and passport scanning and our mobile app expediting the boarding process on international flights. Of course one of American's biggest competitive advantages is the strength of our network and our ability to grow in our most profitable hubs. We continue to be incredibly pleased with the results from the growth at DFW this past year. In the fourth quarter, we grew DFW capacity by 9% resulting in a 21% increase in origins and destinations. And importantly, this growth came in at above system average passenger unit revenue. We'll continue to see the benefits of this high margin growth at DFW for years to come as we continue to up-gauge the airline. A lot of our growth in 2020 will happen at DFW from the lapping of our expansion there last year and also in Charlotte where we added four new gates in late 2019. We have planned to add three additional gates at Charlotte beginning in 2020 and we'll continue to grow in 2021 with the opening of the new regional concourse at Reagan National as well as the compounding effect of our growth at DFW and Charlotte. On the international side, with full government approval of our joint business with Qantas, customers are already benefiting from new routes and expanded code share and improved frequent flier benefits. In October, we announced new service between DFW and Auckland and Los Angeles and Christchurch starting this year. Our Atlantic Joint Business continues to perform well and it brings significant benefits to customers in North America and Europe. Last month, we announced a new British Airways-operated service between Portland and London, Heathrow, which is one of eight new transatlantic routes starting this summer throughout the Atlantic Joint Business venture. In addition, late last year, we announced plans to co-locate with British Airways at JFK, which will allow us to more efficiently and immediately connect customers traveling across our networks. We're also excited about starting our first-ever service to Africa and Poland in 2020 and returning to Tel Aviv as well. We launched a new reciprocal code share with Royal Air Maroc late last year, which will support our new Philadelphia-Casablanca service and allow for easy connections further into Africa. On January 31, we will stop code sharing with LATAM. American remains the leading carrier and largest carrier between the U.S. and Latin America and the best partner for future relationships. We feel very good about our position in this important region and expect only to grow on our own and with partners in the coming years. And as a result, we don't see any impact to revenue or profitability in 2020. In summary, we made great progress in the fourth quarter, especially in regard to our operations. We have a solid foundation in place and the demand and revenue environment remains strong. The challenges of last year brought us closer as a team, have aligned us in progress and we're excited to deliver on what we've built so far and continue to focus on our operating reliability, improving the customer experience and capitalizing on our valuable growth opportunities. And with that, I'll turn it over to Derek.
Derek Kerr:
All right. Thanks, Robert, and good morning, everyone. Despite the operational and fleet challenges we faced throughout most of 2019, we're able to grow both pre-tax margins and earnings per share for the third successive quarter and for the year. Our fourth quarter pre-tax profit, excluding net special items of $679 million, resulted in a pre-tax margin of 6% as compared to 5.4% in 2018. The revenue environment continues to be positive, with fourth quarter total revenue growth of 3.4%. Passenger revenues grew by 3.9% to $10.3 billion, a record for the fourth quarter, on unit revenue growth of 0.9 points. For the year, total revenue grew 2.8% to $45.8 billion and was also the highest level of revenue in company history, with total revenue per available seat mile up 1.7%. Robert touched on our international operations, but as we look at our fourth quarter international revenue performance by entity, we continue to see the strength of our Latin American franchise. Latin America was our best-performing entity during the fourth quarter, with a year-over-year unit revenue improvement of 10%, driven by double-digit unit revenue improvements in Brazil and Mexico. We also had positive unit revenue growth in Argentina for the quarter, while Caribbean performance was flat. In the fourth quarter, our Pacific unit revenue continued to show improvement, up 1.3% year-over-year, which was aided by our China restructuring last year and our partnership with Japan Airlines. We saw strength in the Japan market and brought China to positive unit revenue territory. We're executing quickly on our new joint business with Qantas. We recently expanded code share selling to all Qantas and American flights between Australia and New Zealand and the continental U.S., encompassing 104 Qantas and 48 American flights per week during the peak season. Atlantic revenue was up 4.6% on 8.7% more capacity and a decline in unit revenue of 3.7%. The decline in unit revenue is attributed to a foreign exchange headwind and in part due to a potential labor disruption at one of our joint business partners. Underlying premium demand remained strong and we made good progress with premium leisure customers growing this segment by 15% during the quarter. Premium economy continues to do well, as the product matures, with the average fares approximately 2.3 times the coach fare. Domestic revenue grew 4.4% from strong load factors, offset in part by weaker yields during the pre-Thanksgiving travel period, which led to somewhat flat unit revenue production during the quarter. Investors shouldn't read too much into the softness we saw in November, as December closed out very strong and those trends have continued into January. On the cargo front, trade concerns and macro weakness outside the United States continued to weigh on both cargo volumes and yields. When combined with year-over-year international schedule reductions we made in the fourth quarter of 2018, cargo revenues fell 18.3% to $216 million in the fourth quarter. Total operating expenses in the fourth quarter were up 2.1% at $10.6 billion. When fuel and special items are excluded, our unit cost increased in the fourth quarter by 2% compared to 2018, due primarily to higher salaries and benefits, maintenance and regional expenses. Turning to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with approximately $7.1 billion in total available liquidity. As we noted on our January 10 investor update, due to the uncertainty of the return of service of the MAX and our commitment to our $7 billion liquidity target, we arranged an additional revolving line of credit to provide the company with increased borrowing capacity of up to $400 million. We don't have any present intention to borrow any amounts under this facility, which matures in September 2020, with an optional extension to December 2020. During the fourth quarter we paid dividends of $44 million and repurchased approximately $285 million of stock, or 9.9 million shares. We have begun to delever the balance sheet, as our CapEx requirements have come down. As a result, our year-end adjusted debt position decreased by $1.5 billion year-over-year. Before we turn to guidance, I'd like to talk about the changes we made to the format of our investor update. Due to material uncertainty around the grounding of the MAX, we are adjusting how we provide our forward-looking guidance. Going forward, we will provide guidance on the current quarter and the full year only. As we look at 2020, with the MAX grounding in mind, we currently project our earnings will be negatively affected by substantially the same amount as our 2019 earnings were impacted. While we expect Boeing to compensate us for these 2020 losses, this compensation is not included in any of our forward guidance. As Doug mentioned, we now expect that our 2020 capacity growth will be approximately 4% to 5% and that our CASM --2020 CASM growth, excluding fuel special items and new labor deals will be up approximately 1%. However, because our annual metrics like capacity and unit costs are highly sensitive to our MAX return assumptions, it's worth pointing out that these metrics will have a different trajectory in the second half of 2020 than what we are guiding in the first quarter. As such, our CASM will be up 2% to 4% in the first quarter. And when the MAX returns later in the year, our capacity will be higher and our CASM is expected to be down year-over-year. Looking forward, despite the geopolitical headlines, we continue to see no signs of macro softness in our forward bookings. We expect first quarter domestic demand to remain robust and LATAM to again be the best-performing international entity. With that backdrop, we forecast our first quarter year-over-year TRASM to be flat to up 2%. We also expect that our first quarter pretax margin excluding net special items will be roughly flat on a year-over-year basis. Based on the assumptions I referenced earlier, we believe, our full year earnings per diluted share excluding net special items will be between $4 and $6 a share. In 2019, we made contributions of more than $1.2 billion to our defined benefit pension plans or $436 million in excess of required contributions, prefunding a portion of our 2020 minimum required contribution. Favorable asset performance of 23.5%, coupled with significant company contributions helped to offset an increase in the benefit obligation due to declining interest rates, improving funded status by four percentage points. For 2020, we intend to make a total contribution of $193 million. We also expect a significant reduction in pension expense year-over-year by approximately $260 million. Our total projected capital expenditures for 2020 is expected to be $3.3 billion, comprised of $1.7 billion in non-aircraft CapEx and $1.6 billion in aircraft CapEx. With these capital numbers, as Doug said, we currently forecast that we will generate $6 billion in free cash flow over the next two years. So with that, I will turn it back over to the operator to begin our question-and-answer session.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.
Michael Linenberg:
Hey, two questions here and maybe, this is to Derek. I realize that you mentioned with the guidance that it doesn't reflect any sort of benefit from Boeing. But I want to touch on that $6 billion of free cash flow over the next two years because, in the Southwest press release, they did call out $400 million of supplier proceeds that they received in 2019. So, you were talking about the forward guidance. I want to be clear. Does your 2019 number include any sort of benefit, cash benefit from Boeing? And if not, is that potential upside to the $6 billion over the next two years? Anything you can say on that would be great. Thanks.
Derek Kerr:
It's hard to talk about any of this because it's a confidential settlement that's out there today. The impact in '20 and '21 where -- is in there from a settlement perspective. But we can't really talk about how we got the settlement and where we got it. We got it over time after things and that's kind of where we are Mike. It's really just because it's a deal with Boeing that we have and it's confidential that we can't really outline where that's at. But it will -- the Boeing settlement for the $6 billion that we talked about is included in those numbers, so there's no change to that. No upside to that number because of the Boeing settlement unless we talk about a 2020 settlement that's out there that we have not talked about at all. So I guess there's some upside if there's a Boeing settlement on 2020. But I think the '20 -- the settlement we already have is included in that $6 billion number.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay. That's actually very helpful. And then just my second question, you haven't made recently any change to your bag fees, what you charge for bag fees. Have you -- I just -- I haven't been able to check.
Derek Kerr:
We have not.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay, great. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.
Catherine O'Brien:
Good morning everyone. Thanks for the time. So, question on cost. Your better-than-expected fourth quarter cost performance is due to running a better operation. You talked about some of the milestones you hit on aircraft out of service during the quarter. So, have you extrapolated these better trends into your 2020 CASM guide? Or did you build it on any cushion from an operational performance standpoint? Any color there would be helpful. Thanks.
Derek Kerr:
We have an ASM guide at 4% to 6%, so we have assumed a completion factor of 4% to 5%, excuse me. And we have built in a completion factor that we assume that we continue to run the operation that we have today. So that is in play there. From a CASM perspective, for the full year, the one big headwind that we have is in the maintenance area and it's mostly in engine cost. And some of that is driven by keeping some of the older aircraft around and doing engine hauls on those aircraft -- engine overhauls on those aircraft, due to the fact that the uncertainty on the MAX and some of the delays on the 321 aircraft. So, we have extrapolated in the operation is going to be better. And we have -- but we have -- one of the biggest headwinds is just the maintenance side of things from a cost perspective.
Doug Parker:
Hey Kate, this is Doug and I'll just add to that. Again, much like we said that the ASM numbers for the year don't really reflect our plan for the entire year because, again that 4% to 5% will be lower than that before the MAX returns and higher than after. The same holds true for CASM. So, that number can move as return to service dates move. But know this once the return to service date is here, the CASM will be lower than that average number Derek gave. And until it does, they will be somewhat higher than that.
Catherine O'Brien:
Okay. Understood. And then a question on the $6 billion in free cash flow you're expecting over the next few years. So approximately how much of that is from sale leaseback proceeds? I know in 2020 that number is $1.5 billion. But what's that figure for 2021? Thank you.
Derek Kerr:
Right now it's zero for 2021.
Catherine O'Brien:
Understood. Thank you.
Derek Kerr:
$1.5 billion is correct for 2020. Zero for 2021.
Catherine O'Brien:
Appreciate that.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Jose Caiado with Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.
Jose Caiado:
Hey, thank you very much. Good morning. Robert maybe a question for you. I wanted to ask about the progress on your sub-fleet optimization initiative. I believe you were hoping to take something like 50-or-so different sub fleet combos down to 30 or so. Can you just give us an update on that initiative? I imagine the MAX situation last year maybe delayed the progress there and just how you're thinking about that for 2020.
Robert Isom:
Sure. So one of our big projects on the mainline side was to make the configurations on our 321s and our 737 fleets identical. So because of the issues that we ran into last year, of course with the MAX and aircraft out of service we slowed that project down. So to date we plan on reconfiguring a total 304 737s. And I believe that we're – it changes daily but I believe that we're 80 or so through that. We've just started on the 321s the 202-or-so aircraft there. So there's a lot more that is coming there. Recall that those configurations not only did they standardize not only did they also add to the total seat count but they also brought great customer amenities such as new lighting, new seats, oversized bins, satellite WiFi and whatnot. So we're really excited about that and getting great feedback from customers on that. We still have in our plan to eliminate the E190s by the end of the summer. The Super 80s are gone. The 767s will be gone next year. And on the regional side we've done a great job in terms of both rationalizing our fleets in terms of different configurations and also carry partner carriers as well greatly simplifying things. So we're really excited about where we've – where we started. There's still a lot of upside though as we move forward, especially on the mainline side of things.
Jose Caiado:
Thank you for that. And then just a quick second question on your load factor initiatives in 2019. Generally were you pretty satisfied with how the initiative sort of played out? And do you have any plans to make any adjustments to that strategy in 2020? Thanks so much for the time.
Don Casey:
Okay. This is Don. Actually we're very, very pleased with how well we executed on our – what we described as kind of the smartly go load factor, because obviously our objective is not to maximize load factor but to maximize revenue. And we had over the course of 2019 issued record load factors. It was the highest load factor the company has ever had in its history. And as we look at where we grew because that's really the most important part, we were able to find the right places in order to be able to push the load factor out. As we look forward into 2020, we still think there is a little bit of opportunity as we look back to fine-tune what we did in 2019. So I think a bit more upside going forward.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.
Jamie Baker:
Hey, good morning, everybody. First one for Derek a similar question, well actually identical to what I asked from United yesterday. Could you talk about the evolution of the $4 to $6 guide and the timing of when that forecast really did come together, the degree to which it was influenced by some of the recent geopolitical uncertainty? Also clearly a foregoing conclusion that you're going to have to push the June reentry schedule, should we anticipate updated annual metrics when that happens?
Doug Parker:
Jamie I'll take that on a broad one. If you need more Derek can give you more example. And to your question when was it – when do we come that it was last night. So it incorporates everything we know at this point in time, everything we anticipate at this point in time. And our – certainly our objective is not to amend it other than to maybe be amending it upwards we had hoped maybe at some point in time. Because everything we see right now are really what we anticipate right now. And to the extent that changes of course we would update it at that time. But anything we know now is in there. And to the extent unanticipated issues come up we'll work very hard to offset those, so we don't have to adjust it. But it's – all those things you mentioned are incorporated in that.
Jamie Baker:
And just to drill down no accruals for any – no unique contract assumptions that are in the guide.
Doug Parker:
I'm sorry.
Jamie Baker:
No labor accruals or assumptions on your behalf as part of the guide just want to make sure.
Doug Parker:
Yes. I want to make sure I said it's right again. It includes everything we anticipate at this time. We know where we are in labor negotiations. What we anticipate is included in that so...
Jamie Baker:
Okay. Excellent. And a follow-up on labor Doug. I wanted to ask about the bench. I was impressed to see the hire of Brian on Vasu's team. I think there has been some surprise amongst investors that there haven't been, how should I say this more gyrations in terms of the overall bench. I want to ask the question in a way that you're comfortable asking or answering, excuse me. You could answer my question with a question if you want. I guess I'll ask it this way. Was Brian a one-off? Or would you say that you are actively looking to pick up new talent where needed throughout the organization?
Doug Parker:
Yeah. We're always actively looking to pick-up new talent throughout the organization. We've been doing so for quite some time. That's one case. There have been several over the years, and they've been some of the best additions to the team. It's one of the really nice things actually from my perspective of the transformation that's happened. American and in this industry, there was a time it was difficult to attract good people that are -- that were already in the business. But we've -- who we are and what we can do now, I mean might get us -- just look at -- if you -- you apparently haven't or we haven't been prominent enough in pointing out to you the kinds of people we have been adding such as our General Counsel with a phenomenal resume in the division. We have people we've added over the last two years from firms like this, memory now, IBM, PepsiCo, Walmart, JPMorgan, Starwood, Texas Instruments, that have all come to this organization and had made a huge difference, and we'll continue to do so. So we'll keep doing that, and we do it throughout the organization. Those people are all throughout the organization. We feel fantastic about the team we have in place, the structure we have in place, and the bench strength we have in place. We're -- what we -- but we always are looking to improve. And are -- as you know, we're excited about the hire as you noted, and there are more to come as there always will be and really excited about we have in place.
Jamie Baker:
Excellent. Strong answer. Thank you, Doug. Take care.
Doug Parker:
Thanks. Thanks, Jamie.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Hunter.
Hunter Keay:
Hey. Hey, Doug, everybody. Doug, a bit of an offbeat question, but the way you were talking about the shareholders sort of feeling the impact of the MAX delays in your prepared remarks, it kind of just dawned on me. It wouldn't one way to soften that might be cutting a special dividend of about $5 per share to your shareholders using Boeing money to make up for how much your stock price has gone down since the MAX was grounded? Is that something you would consider?
Doug Parker:
Jamie, here's how we think about -- I'm sorry -- every time. I swear I'm not doing it for -- I swear I'm not doing it for.
Hunter Keay:
Every time.
Doug Parker:
All right. All right -- right now. But I do it to each one of you. So anyway, Hunter, sorry. Look this -- we view this settlement as we do all cash proceeds and cash flow generated by the company it goes in order. First to invest in the business make sure we're doing that. Next to make sure we're paying down any debt either that is expensive, which we don't have any of that or as it comes due and we don't need to add more to do that. And then having done those things invest in the company and make sure we're paying down debt as prudent. And then make sure we have sufficient amount on hand to ensure that we have -- as we do an extremely large cash balance ought to be prepared to be ready for any sort of black swan event that might happen. So we make sure we always have at least $7 billion of liquidity in hand. So you know all that. And then having done all that the excess, we do look to return to shareholders. We've been aggressive about that in the past. We'll be in the future. We believe with where the stock is -- when we believe the stock is undervalued, we think the best way to return that to the shareholders is to repurchase some shares. From those who are not as -- we're not as -- don't have as much of a strong view on the future as others might. We think that's the best way to return to shareholders not through dividends. So that's how we'll treat these proceeds as well.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. That's fair. Thanks. And then, as I look at the headcount over the last few years, I'm curious Derek how attrition rates have impacted that relative to what your baseline plan was at the time of the merger. Obviously labor rates have gone up. And folks who don't have mandatory retirement ages, are probably hanging on a little bit longer to make up for lost pensions and things like that. So how has attrition impacted headcount? And is that something -- is that an area that's been a little bit worse than expected relative to your baseline sort of merger cost outlook? And is there anything that can be done about that going forward? Thanks.
Derek Kerr:
I wouldn't say it's any -- we're different than what's expected. I mean from attrition rates have definitely gone down because of the salaries within the industry. So at certain areas where there were high attrition, it's gone down a fair amount. But we're managing that. That just means we're not hiring as many people in those areas than we have. So I'm not concerned about where we're at. I think we're efficient. We're going to become more efficient over time. There might be some opportunities that we will go after over the next few years. But as we go forward, I think we look at that all the time. But attrition really hasn't impacted it. That's really lowered hiring and lowered where we needed to be from a hiring standpoint.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey. Good morning. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Duane.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Just revisiting the fourth quarter a little bit and I apologize if this is overly simplistic. But you grew below 3% you had the benefit of Dallas hub growth. Competitors had fleet limitations, which limited their ability to grow and inflated their non-fuel costs. You were in a seasonally stronger period and yet revenue came in softer versus your initial guide. And so, again maybe overly simplistic, but if you can't find price on 3% growth, how are investors supposed to get comfortable that you can find it on 5-plus to offset inflationary pressures on the business longer term? And more importantly, how are you going to evaluate if that aspirational growth rate is working as we proceed maybe in the back half of this year?
Don Casey:
Okay. This is – Duane, this is Don Casey talking. So if you could just look at kind of what our guide was our guide was to have TRASM up, I think at 1 point in the fourth quarter. We ended up 0.5 point. Two-tenths of that was we had more ASMs in the quarter because of better completion factor. We're down about three-tenths. When you do look at the numbers that we have, you have to remember this is the kind of the last quarter, but we have this headwind related to frequent flyer recognition is about nine-tenths a point. So when you kind of back that and look at our numbers, we actually did I think pretty well relative to everybody else. Probably more importantly is as we look forward into the second quarter, particularly in the domestic market, we actually see the domestic market looking pretty robust as we head forward – look forward. So in every forward month right now our yields, which were a bit soft in the fourth quarter, because of the performance in November all look positive, right? So we're pretty actually optimistic about our forward outlook. And again, as you think about the fourth quarter really the only thing that was off track for us was November. We did better in December than we expected. We did better in October than we expected. But November with the extra week of trough that last week before Thanksgiving for us was very, very weak. But beyond that, everything really performed really at or above expectations. And again, the forward look in terms of forward deals is positive.
Doug Parker:
And Bob on the growth...
Vasu Raja:
Yeah. Hey, Duane, this is Vasu. I'll just add something to Don's comments too in that the manner in which we've taken out the MAX in the past and the way we're taking it out in the first quarter and second quarter is different, right? Until this point in time certainly in fourth quarter and third quarter before that we were taking the MAX out sometimes 60 or 75 days before the flights flew. So, what we are effectively doing is we had already filled up capacity and we had fewer seats available for higher-yielding last-minute bookings. And so you can see it certainly stands to reason. You see it in the industry data that there has been a huge transfer of share from carriers that operate the MAX to carriers that don't operate the MAX and we saw that in the fourth quarter. But despite that as we look forward, we have been – actually, we've taken it out further in advance. And so that enables us to go and revenue manage the airline to a more predictable capacity base. But also in fourth quarter, despite the very obvious frustrations we have with the MAX one thing that is encouraging as we think about bringing the MAX back is as we took the MAX out we sought to preserve the connecting power of our three biggest hubs; Chicago, DFW and Charlotte. And so even though we saw net traffic loss across our system in those three hubs we actually both saw traffic gain. And most critically, we saw share gains of the highest value O&Ds in the domestic system. This is encouraging to us of course, because when the MAX comes back, the marginal cost of bringing that airplane back is miniscule. Indeed, we're carrying it right now. But we believe the marginal RASMs will be certainly uniquely high for us, because so much of what the MAX will do is provide more seats on those higher-value O&Ds that are at the highest percentiles of our domestic yield curves.
Don Casey:
Yeah. This is Don again. Just add one more point. If you look at where the MAX capacity effect is it's really domestic. That's where we actually have the impact. It grew domestically only by 1.2% in the fourth quarter. We expect it to grow a lot more. And domestic has the far and away the highest nominal PRASMs, so it hasn't taken important impact on us in terms of fourth quarter unit revenue.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thanks for that detail. And just for a quick follow-up Derek, the lower pension expense ratable across the quarters. And would you be willing to disclose the actual pension expense in 2020 versus 2019? Thanks for taking the questions.
Derek Kerr:
It is ratable throughout the quarters. And the 260 number is the number that is going to be the expense this year.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Darryl Genovesi with Vertical Research. Your line is now open.
Darryl Genovesi:
Hi. Good morning, everyone. Doug, I guess given that this is the start of a new year, I just wanted to ask you a bigger-picture question. And then, I don't mean to be combative but since 2014 the first year following the merger your pre-tax income has declined by about 30%, a little over $1 billion. I know the MAX creates some hardship, but United and Southwest who are both MAX operators have grown pre-tax over that period. Neither one of those carriers has a significantly larger operational footprint than you, and neither has a single hub that's bigger than either of your two largest at DFW and Charlotte as they currently exist. So I guess the question with all respect and without reference to the MAX or the need for more capacity, what do you think the one to two things are that you've done wrong since the merger? And what are the one or two things that you think you need to do differently in 2020 to show investors that you can reverse the downward earnings trend?
Doug Parker:
Yeah. Let me – let me answer it this way by – first by noting – look one, we agree. We know of course that – let's just talk about this as the margin gap. We fully recognize that our relative – our margins relative to our two largest competitors have – that gap has gone from being positive to American to negative to American or to the extent it was positive – if Delta was positive, which was more positive of late. And we're concerned about that and certainly intent on reversing the trend. Further to explain most of what you described from 2014 on part of our large margin relative margin performance was the fact that as we took two airlines one US Airways, which has lower labor costs than the big three; and then American which has lower labor costs than those two airlines as it went through a bankruptcy, a large part of that margin advantage was unsustainable. We certainly – I think we're quite clear about that at the time that we were going to need to overtime as we sign new contracts get our teams wages and benefits in line with those and that's happened. So that's certainly a part of it. But that's not – but having said that, that's not always what we're going on. So let me just say it this way. As we sit here today having just closed these years out that gap, I mean, I don't know what – what the line you look at, I don’t know generally people look at pre-tax we get somewhat hurt on that of course, but the fact that we've gone and invested in $20 billion of new aircraft for the last five years that those airlines haven't done yet. So that's about a point of it. So a way to adjust for that is to look -- but anyway the trends are much the same. I'm not trying to blame it on that. But I think a better way to look at it is with the EBITDAR margin. And again the story is exactly the same. You look at the EBITDAR margins for the year just ended we're going to -- we come out a little less than two points behind United for the year and about six points behind Delta. So I look at those and think that doesn't seem right. We should -- there's no reason that American Airlines should have margins that are lower than United. There may be a structural reason at this point in time that we would be lower than Delta as United is. That structural reason being that they had so much of their capacity flying in and out of really, really profitable hubs. But we're not -- I'm not trying to say that there's some structural reason that can't be closed but it may not be able to be closed in the really near-term. As we end up growing Dallas and Charlotte over time in our network I think that can be closed. But I suspect you're talking more near-term. So in the near-term here's what I think. We have one more of these contracts to do. That's in -- that's one more to actually get our labor costs in line. We have one more joint collective bargain agreement to get done. That will happen in 2020. Once we do that you will then be at a point where our labor costs in general across the border largely in line with theirs so you won't see that continued kind of pressure. So, as we look to 2020 we have that headwind, but what I believe is because of all the things we have going on that we'll close that gap. The 2020 margin again, let's set the MAX side for whatever that does to this year's earnings what we will then be compensated for. But just looking at adjusted for the MAX, I think, our margins this year will be despite that headwind in line or hopefully maybe in a little better than those two carriers. Year-over-year improvement I'm saying. So while we may not be able to start closing it in 2020 because we have to get that last contract there within there and having done that we will then have labor costs that are now largely the same as our competitors. Well to the extent labor costs go up at any of our airlines it will go up at all of the airlines at a better or similar amount. So -- and as that happens, I think, right now is we expect that margin gap to be closed. How much how fast? Hard to say. Conservatively, I think, we should easily be able to get one point here. So again let's for 2020 assume that we not only get that point, but we stay where we are in the gap. And then a couple more years we're at or near United and then -- and then over three years ahead of United and -- or by one point or so and closing that and having that gap and half again still. That's -- that I believe is what you'll see from us from all the initiatives that we've been laying out over time. They're working now. Despite all that is going on and the headwinds we've had we did indeed have margin expansion year-over-year. We had this quarter our fourth quarter margin improvement for the first time in two years was -- didn't that -- the improvement was better than United for the first time in two years. I don't want to make a big deal about that because it's not that much but it's not that much improved and it's one quarter and it's the last quarter of the year so -- who knows. But that's a fact. It was the first time in two years that we've seen our margin gap versus United start to narrow albeit at a small rate. We hope that's the beginning of a trend. Certainly, I think, that should be -- like I say once we get this last contract in place going forward. So that's where we're headed. That happens by the way without -- if you ask me, what do we need to do about that? I believe we've been -- I believe we explained all that. Again if you want more Robert and Don can do it again. It's largely revenue and its revenue initiatives things like getting our -- the entire fleet harmonized things like getting our ability to sell up in the same position than some of our competitors are things that we know we can and will do and it will allow our revenues to increase at a rate or again our revenues to increase at a rate and our profits to increase at a rate that they don't have the opportunity to do. So that's what I think. I know it's a long answer but it's a really important question that we get a lot and that's what I believe. It's -- that margin gap is not something we believe is acceptable, not something we believe will be sustained and one that you should continue to hold our feet to the fire as we move forward.
Darryl Genovesi:
Great. Thank you very much Doug for the answer.
Doug Parker:
Sure.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Joseph DeNardi with Stifel. Your line is now open.
Joseph DeNardi:
Yes. Thanks. Doug I just want to highlight that. I mean you do refer to kind of the competitive disadvantage that you face in some cases. You guys have an enormous competitive advantage over United in particular related to the credit card program. That I think needs to be considered. But my question is, when you look out over the next couple of years in the $6 billion in free cash flow how much of that do you expect to return to shareholders versus going to pay down debt or the pension? Like what's the actual number that you see being free to return?
Doug Parker:
Yes. Before I answer that I just want to respond to your comment. Nothing that I said we have disadvantages to United nothing. We're not saying any reason that we think we shouldn't have margins at or better than United. And I agree with you our credit card program is an advantage. That's one of the reasons that there shouldn't -- what I said was we may have a structural disadvantage on the network front versus Delta today. So anyway that's what I tried to say. The -- as to your question on how much of that free cash flow gets to investors I'll refer back to my comments which were as follows. We said that we expect over the next two years free cash flow of $6 billion. And we also said that we expected to reduce our total adjusted debt by $3 billion to $4 billion. Again, so that's -- there's a couple of billion dollars there. And again all else equal would be excess of the $7 billion. And with -- again consistent with our past behavior and our views about our obligation to our shareholders, I would expect if I was modeling that that would be returned to shareholders.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay. And then if the MAX reduced 2019 pretax by $550 million, the mechanics was another few hundred million. Can you just help us understand how much of an impact that's expected to be in 2020? If things are getting better and the operation is getting better and there's revenue momentum then why shouldn't the baseline for 2020 be 2019 results plus the MAX and the mechanics impacts? I guess how much of those factors are reduced? How much are those reducing the first quarter 2020 guidance by? Can you just maybe help us understand that? Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Yes, sure. Yes, thanks. Look the MAX is still an issue in 2020. So -- and when we say we expect to be back, obviously we have our June date and -- but that we're going to need to reassess that. So some time late summer early fall, let's assume that's going to be at about the same number of months in 2020 as it was in 2019. So the MAX effect on financials, there's no positive impact in those numbers. I do want to make this -- take the time to make this point, whatever that amount is we will be compensated. That -- Boeing has been clear about that. They've shown that they're -- they will do that. It is unfortunate that the accounting for that doesn't match the period in which the pain happens. But it's real value. It's value that accrues to our shareholders and we are committed to ensuring that we receive that value for you on your behalf on our behalf. So that -- again those -- I would just ask all of you as you look to those kind of large impacts of the Boeing impact to understand that those are -- that's an accounting issue in large part, at least again for financial purposes. It's a huge obviously issue for our customers and our team. But other than that, as it relates to the financials, that amount our shareholders will be compensated for. It just won't be -- it just won't be accounted for in the current period. Point one. So that's my answers to how much is the MAX. So that leaves you with the other piece, which is the operating issues we had this year. Certainly, there's upside to that. We -- as I mentioned, we have some -- we have another headwind which is the contract which caused -- the contract negotiations which were related to that issue will result in -- what we really want to get happen make happen with this contract for our fleet service and maintenance team. That will lead to an increase in our costs. So on a year-over-year basis I think those things certainly don't have a huge positive. It's certainly not a positive impact. I'll say it's one versus the other. But having said all that, I go back to where -- what we said which is knowing everything we know at this point we gave you an EPS estimate that we believe is our best estimate of where we are at this point incorporating all.
Joseph DeNardi:
Thanks, Doug.
Doug Parker:
Yeah.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research. Your line is now open.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Dan McKenzie:
Yeah. Thanks for the time guys. With respect to the $7 billion liquidity target, what's the debt profile that you'd like to see before you draw that down? So if there's $3 billion to $4 billion less debt in two years, what liquidity target might accompany that?
Doug Parker:
Yes, it's a good question, Dan. I don't have all the answers specifically, but you raised a good point. That number is based upon -- we work with -- again there is science, but at the end of the day it's -- there's some art as well. But the science is going and working with some outside investment bankers and running all sorts kind of Monte Carlo simulation worst case make sure under any sort of difficult situation that we have more than enough to handle that. Those simulations run with less debt will result in a lower cash balance required. They're not doing it yet. When they do, we'll continue to look at it. But it's a fair -- but anyway, you raise a good point. I look forward to the day that that's the question we're getting from all of our shareholders which is "Why are you holding so much of the cash." But right now, we believe it's prudent. But there will -- I certainly expect as we produce the kind of cash flow we suggested and use it to pay down debt that there will come a time in the future that we'll -- that number will come down somewhat.
Dan McKenzie:
Understood. Okay.
Doug Parker:
Thanks.
Dan McKenzie:
Sure. And then next question here, Don or Vasu, I think you've been really clear that the growth is focused where you're strong. But as you look at where you're strong, you look at where you're weak, how do you get more critical mass in the markets where you're weak? So I guess the question is, could an expanded codeshare domestically be a good solution? And then kind of separate to that question, I'm just wondering just given the Atlantic RASM headwind, I'm just wondering if you could just -- as a housecleaning question just sort of comment on when you think that that might reverse?
Vasu Raja:
Hey, Dan, this is Vasu. Let me start and then Don and others can pick up. Actually let me take the second question first and then I'll do the first one. So there's certainly a foreign exchange impact in fourth quarter transatlantic RASM. But one of the things -- and we've talked about this for a long time. Certainly, I have is that as we go and shrink the number of subfleets, we're turning 767s into 787s. So in the old days of both AMR and US Airways, we could go into the winters when demand was lower and simply idle wide-bodies or widen in the domestic system or things like that. The ownership of those things was very different. So one of the things which we've been doing increasingly is going and extending fourth quarter flying on our wide-bodies. And the RASMs are down. We've been really pleased with the marginal earnings from it, right? Of course, we -- the cost of operating a 787 flying Chicago to Barcelona in the winter is maybe -- it's very, very small respectively just the incremental cost of the fuel burn on the thing. But what we're seeing on it are marginal RASMs that are in the 75% to 80% range of or otherwise flying in transatlantic. And so that's been a really positive development for us. Indeed over time not that long ago the airline didn't make money flying transatlantic in the winter and now we make money transatlantic all 12 months of the year and we see opportunities to go and do more. And so though we see this near-term RASM challenge is backed up by something, which is a really promising sign for future earnings and future network development. And then to your earlier point about places where we're relatively strong or relatively weaker. Look it remains to be seen. The more critical point is that in the places where we're strong and certainly in markets like in the Midwest, the Southeast, Florida things like that the Southwest, we -- every chance we've had to grow it we have been seeing that the marginal earnings off of that growth has been really attractive. Indeed it -- though it is obscured with any number of other things going on we see opportunities to be able to grow earnings primarily by being able to do that organically in the near term.
Don Casey:
This is Don. I'll just talk just about the Atlantic. Just the way our joint business kind of we settle out revenues at the end of the year, we didn't have a three-point headwind on the Atlantic, which we can not really relate it to the kind of performance. You back that out our performance is basically right in line with Delta and United. So I think we're all seeing the same thing which is a pretty stable business demand and demand for premium products that have pretty aggressive pricing at this point in the coacher.
Dan McKenzie:
Okay. Yeah. Thanks for the time.
Doug Parker:
Sure.
Operator:
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now take questions from the media. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Alison Sider with Wall Street Journal. Your line is now open.
Alison Sider:
Hi. Thanks so much.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Ali.
Alison Sider:
I was wondering if you could share if there's any sort of thinking that you have right now? I know there's a lot of uncertainty, but any contingency plans for a much longer-term grounding? If this were to continue past mid-year through the end of the year or even longer kind of what kind of things would you do differently? Does that feel like it's a possibility? Is it something you're kind of gaming out already?
Doug Parker:
Ali, we aren't at this point. We are running our airline today without the MAX in service. And if we're going to be out longer than we anticipate we will continue to do the same things. We're not going to have our strategy dictated by when this airplane comes or doesn't come. We know it will fly again someday. When it does we'll be ready. In the meantime, we're going to keep focusing on running a great operation making sure that where we are growing that we're growing where we can be profitable, and making sure we're generating some free cash flow. But when the FAA side of the aircraft is ready to fly, we'll be ready -- we will make -- we'll be ready to get our pods training at the aircraft back up. We're looking forward to that. But until that time, we'll keep doing exactly what we're doing. And don't have any plans beyond trying to figure out what happens after that or before that.
Alison Sider:
Got it. Thanks. And do you expect a simulator training requirement to sort of create a lot of new delays or slow down the return to service process when it eventually comes?
Doug Parker:
Go ahead, Rob.
Robert Isom:
Yeah. We're working really closely with the FAA in trying to make sure that there's all the information is built into our planning. From what we know right now we know that there's going to be simulator -- 737 MAX simulator training required. We are sketching out a number of different scenarios. And in all of those we've made sure that American is sufficiently staffed with resources simulators, and also training resources to make sure that we can get the aircraft back up as soon as possible once the FAA and once our pilots and Boeing say the aircraft ready to go.
Alison Sider:
Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Ali.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Dawn Gilbertson with USA Today. Your line is now open.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Dawn.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Hi. Hey, how are you? My question has to do with the coronavirus, but are kind of on three fronts. I know it's early, but are you guys seeing any booking impact at all? Have you contemplated any travel waivers for the region? And lastly, maybe this one is for Robert. What measures is American taking to protect passengers and crew?
Robert Isom:
Thanks Dawn. So first off, we haven't -- it's too soon to see any impact. Our network isn't that extensive in Asia. But we're on top of it. We're working with CBP, the CDC and public health officials as well as our medical resources here to make sure that we're following all best practices. We're doing that with an intent to make sure that we take care of our customers and team members. We've seen viruses in the past that we've had to make accommodations for and to be prepared for. We're doing all those same things right now. And we're going to watch it and make sure that we take aggressive action if there is a need to.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Leslie Josephs with CNBC. Your line is now open.
Leslie Josephs:
Hi. Good morning everybody. On the MAX, how has the grounding affected your hiring plans for this year and going forward? And when do you expect to be fully over the issues with the MAX considering or thinking if Boeing's forecast for midyear FAA ground lifting holds? Thanks.
Robert Isom:
So, we know -- we're confident that the MAX will come back. And we plan for the future. And as we take a look out into that future and where we will be later in 2020, assuming the aircraft comes back in late summer or early fall or even out into 2021. We are planning and making sure that we're ready to accommodate those aircraft. The planning cycle for pilots is a lengthy one. And so we actually have to start hiring 12 months or more in advance. Not only to handle growth, but also to handle the hundreds of pilots that are, now retiring out of American. We feel really good about that pilot pipeline. We're going to make its -- our pilots are our best asset. And we do a great job in going out and hiring and recruiting the best of the best and making sure that they're always trained and ready to go. So, we're planning well in advance. We have sufficient number of pilots. And right now we're not making any changes to that plan.
Leslie Josephs:
Thanks. And then, the other question is about the hold MAX issue. When do you expect to have your 76? Has Boeing given you any guidance on that? And when do you expect this whole thing to resolve? Does Boeing forecast for the grounding is lifted in the middle of the year. And you have the plane by let's say like late summer, early fall?
Robert Isom:
So right now, all we can tell you is that we know that we have 24 owned aircraft. And that once the ungrounding is lifted we're ready to go with those. As I mentioned, there's a number of aircraft that have also been produced. We're hopeful that those would be some of the first that could be released. But then in terms of future production, we don't know. And so, we'll continue to work very closely with Boeing, once the aircraft is ungrounded. And we're hopeful to get delivery and back to the levels of flying that we had intended originally.
Leslie Josephs:
Okay. Thanks. And then, so, no reduction in hiring of pilots or cabin crews, because of the MAX issues?
Robert Isom:
No.
Leslie Josephs:
Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from David Slotnick with Business Insider. Your line is now open.
David Slotnick:
Hi. How are you? Thanks for taking my question. I know that you have resolved the worst part of the labor issues that you were experiencing last spring and into the summer. I just wondered if you had any update on contract negotiations with mechanics and pilot teams.
Doug Parker:
They continue. The National Mediation Board is overseeing those negotiations. We recently restarted again after the New Year. They continue. And that's the update. The -- we have -- all parties have agreed at the NMB's request not to discuss those negotiations. Other than that -- and that's been productive thus far so we'll abide by that.
David Slotnick:
Got you, thanks and just quickly, I know you were talking about the partnership and codeshare Qantas earlier. Have you seen any impact because of the fires? Or has it really been too soon for that?
Robert Isom:
Don, do you want to talk about that?
Don Casey:
Yeah, yeah, so we have started. We've expanded the codeshare with Qantas. So right now I think it's still in the early stages. In terms of performance, obviously, we when we look at the Australian market, we've seen over the last -- really started about three weeks ago a bit of a softening in terms of U.S. demand. But overall, I think, we're very happy with the progress, we're making with Qantas right now.
David Slotnick:
Okay, thanks.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Edward Russell with The Points Guy. Your line is now open.
Edward Russell:
Hi. Thank you for taking my question. I just wanted to ask about the fleet plans with the continued MAX grounding. I see, you're continuing with the E190 retirements. And I don't see any other modifications to the fleet plan to address the fact that the MAXs won't be back in the sky until at least the summer. Is American considering holding on to the 190s? Or any other measures to make sure that you can continue to grow to the MAX?
Robert Isom:
Edward, right now the 190s are scheduled to go out at the end of the summer. That's the game plan. That's the way we've built the airline. We will make adjustments based on what we hear from Boeing and the actual time lines as they become more firm. But right now, we anticipate the MAX coming back late summer, early fall. And we're preparing our airline to that end.
Edward Russell:
Okay. And is it also correct then since the retrofits of the 321s and the 737s are going to move forward this -- in the new this year on schedule? I know they were postponed last year due to the MAX.
Robert Isom:
Yeah. So from the original schedule, we're probably a year behind. But as we take a look into the year we will have -- we restarted the 737 line. We have the 321 prototype done as well. And we will have a critical mass. I don't know the exact number that we'll have done by next summer, but, its 115...
Don Casey:
All the 738s will be done by April of 2021. And then all the 321s will be done by May of 2022. And we're going to keep the line going at the entire time. We're not going to pull the line because of the delay in the MAXs this year. We're going to keep it moving.
Edward Russell:
Great, thank you very much.
Operator:
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Doug Parker for any closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
Thank you all very much. We appreciate your interest. And if you have any questions please let us know. Thank you.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Third Quarter 2019 American Airlines Group, Inc. Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participant lines are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator instructions]. Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mr. Dan Cravens. Sir, you may begin.
Dan Cravens:
Thank you and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group third quarter 2019 earnings conference call. With us in the room this morning is Doug Parker, Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room for our question-and-answer session are several of our senior execs, including Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications, Don Casey, our Senior Vice President of Revenue Management; as well as Vasu Raja, our Senior Vice President of Network Strategy. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our financial results. Robert will then following with commentary on operational performance and our commercial activities for our 2019 and 2020. Derek will then walk us through the details on the third quarter and provide us some additional information on our guidance for the remainder of the year and some preliminary guidance for 2020. And then after we hear from those comments, we will open the call for analyst questions and lastly questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin, we must state that today’s call does contain forward-looking statements including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecast of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans, and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2019. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as pre-tax profit and CASM excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and that can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on the website, the information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us this morning. At this point, I'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Dan, good morning everybody and thanks for joining us. Today we announced pre-tax earnings excluding special items of $835 million or $1.42 per share, that’s a 16% increase in year-over-year pre-tax earnings and a 20% increase in EPS. But we know these earnings and the increase in earnings should have been even better. Our third quarter results reflect two major challenges that impacted our business. First, 737 MAX fleet remaining grounded throughout quarter of course negatively impacting our pre-tax earnings by an estimated $140 million in this quarter alone. Second, we had significant operational challenges in American, in the first half of the quarter as we continue to work on negotiating an industry-leading contract we [want] [ph] for our TWU and IAM teams. As it relates to the 737 MAX that situation is of course ongoing. We have two goals for the MAX. First, of course is for Boeing to complete the FAA’s required recertification process and ensure the aircraft is safely flying again. Second, is to ensure that American is compensated for the loss revenue that the MAX grounding has caused. We missed deadlines and extended grounding for our customers, our team members, and our shareholders. So we're working to ensure that Boeing shareholders bear the cost of Boeing failures not American Airlines shareholders. Turning now to our second main challenge TWU-IAM contract. We've seen significant improvements in our operational reliability as our negotiations are resumed. We've been remediated talks through the National Mediation Board since early September, those are our first talks since April. And both parties are agreed not to discuss the content of those talks publicly at the request of NMB but you should know that we're very focused on reaching an agreement, which is fair to all involved and ensures our operations back on track. Now, we recognize that beyond these two factors the status quo is not an option. We're committed to urgently improving performance and enhancing shareholder value. We want to talk about building the trust of our stakeholders and creating value for the long-term. We also appreciate in many respects, the long-term map. We know we need to do better and we will. As we knew at the end of 2019, we're committing to deliver on three key areas will create value for our shareholders in 2020, operational excellence, efficient and profitable growth, and significant free cash flow generation. I'll talk a bit about each of those. First and foremost, we must restore American’s operational reliability to the standards of excellence that our customers and our team members deserve. Importantly, we believe the issues that impacted our operations for much of the summer are now behind us. We had an excellent September, and that performance has continued into October. Too months don’t make a trend, we won't rely entirely on our recent performance, or our forward confidence. As Robert will discuss in more detail, we're executing on specific plans to improve our operating reliability beyond reaching a labor agreement and specific goals that we will meet. We simply will not allow our customers and team members to experience another period like this past summer again. Second, we're going to grow American's network in 2020 by approximately 5% through efficient and profitable growth. We anticipate much of this growth will be at or above system average unit revenues because it's driven by gates we've been able to acquire in Dallas, Fort Worth, and Charlotte. These are two of our highest margin hubs. And as we've already experienced in DFW this year, routes that are added into these large connecting hub operations immediately produce [yearly] [ph] revenues in excess of our system-wide average and it will be efficient growth. For example, [many of the cost] [ph] of our 737 MAX aircraft are already in our cost structure. Our operational reliability improvements will also drive some of the growth and these improvements, increase flying and reduce costs. Combining those factors with our previously announced cost initiatives give us confidence that our above average RASM growth will be added at below average incremental unit costs. Derek will provide some high level CASM estimates in his remarks and will provide more specific details on the fourth quarter call once we complete our budgeting process. But just now we're excited about our prospects to grow and to grow efficiently and profitably in 2020. Lastly and importantly, we are confident we will begin to produce significant free cash flow for our investors in 2020 and beyond. Much of that confidence is driven by the earnings improvement we expect from the first two [indiscernible] discussed, and we expect those initiatives to improve profitability over where it would be otherwise. But at the same time that's happening, we are reaching the end of an unprecedented program to invest capital into American Airlines. The $30 billion in investments we've made over the past six years have been necessary to integrate and upgrade two airlines that had suffered a lack of investment, and most importantly, to modernize an aging fleet. That work is now done and we anticipate our CapEx requirements will fall from the over $5 billion per year for the past six years to $3.7 billion in 2020, $2.1 billion in 2021, and should average approximately $3 billion thereafter. What that means for our investors, is if our estimated 2019 earnings are unchanged in both 2020 and 2021 -- in both 2020 and 2021 and this is not an earnings forecast, just an earnings constant analysis, then our free cash flow would be approximately $2.5 billion in 2020 and $3 billion in 2021. That's $5.5 billion in free cash flow in just two years at a company that has a current market capitalization of approximately $12.5 billion or a 44% free cash flow yield over just two years. And again, that's on constant 2019 earnings. None of us will be pleased with constant 2019 earnings into 2020 and 2021. So as we said in the past, as we generate that significant free cash flow, we will naturally delever our balance sheet. We will repay debt as it becomes due and the need to raise new debt against new aircraft will now be much lower. We anticipate debt requirement and adjusted debt will be significant. We expect adjusted net debt will fall by approximately $3 billion to $4 billion in the next two years and by $8 billion to $10 billion over the next five years. And we will of course, continue to return cash in excess of our needs to our shareholders, ensuring a period of significant free cash flow generation will facilitate that initiative. So in summary, we're pleased the two large issues that have impacted our performance should be addressed as we enter 2020. We are not of the view that correcting those two items alone are sufficient for our customers, our team members, or our shareholders. As it relates to our shareholders, for example, we know we have a profitability margin gap versus our largest competitor and we're committed to narrow that gap in 2020 and beyond. We're excited about our prospects for the future, and are grateful to the 130,000 hardworking team members of American Airlines, and the amazingly great work they do every day to take care of our customers. With that, I will turn it over to Robert Isom.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. Before I begin, I will add my thanks to our team members for doing a great job of taking care of millions of customers during the busy summer travel period. Their hard work was instrumental in our ability to generate record revenue in the third quarter and grow margins despite the challenges that Doug highlighted. Importantly, we continue to execute on a number of initiatives to improve the trajectory of our business going forward. As we look at our business, the economy is strong, and our demand for our product remains robust. And we look forward to a strong holiday season. We reported another quarterly record, with third quarter revenue of $11.9 billion, 3% higher than the third quarter of 2018. This also marks the 12th consecutive quarter of unit revenue growth and we expect to produce our 13th next quarter. Derek will talk more about the revenue environment in his remarks. Global sales and distribution continue to win in the marketplace. During the quarter corporate revenue outpaced system revenue growth on healthy corporate demand, a great result given our operational challenges. As we look at our operations, we have already seen a significant improvement in our operating reliability. Since June, we have seen consistent month-over-month improvement. And for the full third quarter, our on-time metrics improved in both our mainline and regional operations. In fact, our September on-time arrival performance or A14 was the seventh best month in American’s history, and our best A14 performance since November of 2017. As Doug mentioned, this improvement continues into October. We continue to strengthen our operations with ongoing enhancements, including retiring older aircraft, simplifying our fleet and schedule, and fortified our maintenance and airport resources. Our underlying execution is solid and we are committed to returning American to a position of operational excellence. And as a result, we expect our 2020 completion factor to increase by one to two percentage points and to see a significant improvements in all reliability metrics, including on-time performance, baggage handling, and customer satisfaction. We know we can't allow our customers and our team members to experience another period like this past summer ever again. So if for some unforeseen event in 2020 lead us to question our ability to meet our reliability standards, we will reduce our schedule rather than let our operations become the buffer. We don't believe that will be required of course. We also know it's a commitment we need to make to ensure that we restore operational excellence. Now with perspective the MAX, we have extended to cancel our cancellations through January 15. We continue to work closely with FAA and Boeing to have built flexibility into that date. Regardless of when the aircraft is recertified, we plan to be prudent as we reintroduce the Max back into our network. Before it begin commercial service, we will continue our collaboration with the APA and APSA accomplish training and conduct multiple flights with our pilots, flight crews, executives, and other team members to make sure that we are all comfortable that the aircraft is ready for our customers. And only then will we gradually place the aircraft back into our schedule. As part of our faced approach to reintroducing the 24 MAX aircraft that we have in storage today, we'll begin with five aircraft flying in the first two weeks, that's 22 departures per day. Two weeks later we'll add 12 more aircraft. The remaining seven will be faked into service two weeks after that and we'll add additional MAX aircraft as they become available. And note by year end 2020, we have planned to take delivery of an additional 26 MAX aircraft for a total of 50 in our fleet. While 10 of those 26 aircraft had been built we don't know exactly when they'll be delivered or when the remainder will be built. Restoration of operating reliability will drive customer satisfaction, but there is much, much more that we're doing to make the journey more efficient, easier, and more enjoyable for our customers. In fact, here are several enhancements that launched in the third quarter, which demonstrate a steady and consistent focus on improving the customer experience. First off, we put - we've added rich digital content, which has helped drive a 25% year-on-year improvement in premium economy ticket sales on aal.com. We created unique opportunities for our customers to upsell into the premium cabin, thereby significantly growing ancillary revenue and approved system that makes it easier for families to secure seats together has been added. And we've recently launched board notification to reduce the wait time at the gate for customers. And we're speeding customers’ boarding through biometrics, biometrics boarding at DFW for international departures. And when there are disruptions, we've added the ability for customers to change flights and receive compensation before traveling to the airport. And we've automated hotel, meal, and transportation vouchers delivered electronically to customers during disruption. The steady stream of customer-focused deliveries provide better experience for our customers, for our team members, and certainly better results for our shareholders. We have a pipeline of additional customer friendly features that we expect to launch in 2020. The foundation of customer preference begins with our network. We continue to be extremely excited after seeing the results from our network expansion plans with growth targeted our most profitable hubs. This effort began in May, where we added 100 daily departures out of our DFW hub. With nearly two full quarters under our belt the results have exceeded our initial expectations. During the third quarter, we grew domestic capacity at DFW by 9% to produce fragile growth at the hub of 3.5%. This is the largest capacity expansion at any hub in the United States in more than a decade. It sets the stage for additional plant expansion next year in Charlotte and at Reagan National in 2021. On the partnership side late in the quarter, while Tom notified us of their intention to leave the OneWorld Alliance and a formal relationship with Delta. Well, that's disappointing, but not surprising given the regulatory challenge our proposed joint venture fate. Our vast South American network will ensure that we recaptured the majority of the potential coacher revenue on our own aircraft, and that's already proven to be the case. There has been no revenue impact since the announcement. American remains the largest U.S. carrier to Latin and South America, and we were committed to providing the best service to the region for our customers. Recently, we announced additional frequencies between Miami and Lima, Sao Paulo, and Santiago. And we're confident that with the strength of our network, we'll track other partners to -- in the region. In the Pacific, we are moving quickly to realize the opportunities provided by our new joint business agreement with Qantas. It was approved by DOJ in July. This agreement allows for commercial integration between American and Qantas delivering new routes, and ultimately significant customer benefits, including more seamless integration with traveling on the American and Qantas networks. So in conclusion, we have a great foundation built and our core business is strong. We made investments to improve the product; our fleet renewal is -- program is nearing completion. And we continue to refine our network to add margin accretive growth. We're confident that will deliver improve results in 2020 and beyond to benefit our shareholders, our customers and team members. And with that, I'll turn it over to Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Robert and good morning, everyone. During the quarter we were able to grow both pre-tax margin and earnings per share for the second successive quarter. Our third quarter results came in towards the high-end of the guidance range we provided in July. For the third quarter, our pre-tax profit excluding net special items was $835 million, resulting in a pre-tax margin excluding special items of 7% compared to 6.2% in 2018. Our third quarter 2019, pre-tax net profit excluding net special items was $630 million; a 15% increase over the third quarter of 2018. And our diluted earnings per share excluding net special items in the third quarter was $1.42 per share, up 20% from $1.19 per diluted share in the third quarter of 2018. As Robert mentioned, the revenue environment remains strong with third quarter top-line growth of 3%. Passenger revenues grew by 4.1% to $11 billion a record for the third quarter. LATAM was the best performing entity during the third quarter with year-over-year unit revenue improvement of 5.9%. Brazil and Mexico led the way with double-digit improvements in yield, while we improved load factor in the entity overall by 6.5 points. Pacific unit revenue also continues to show improvement aided by our China restructuring last year with unit revenue up 1.6%. Specifically Japan and Australia were up year-over-year, while we faced challenges in Hong Kong and Korea. Atlantic unit revenue declined by 4.6%. This decline was driven by transfer payments related to our joint business agreement of about 2.3 points and currency effect of about 1 point. International point-of-sale remains challenging but we successfully shifted to North American point-of-sale and grew load factor by 3.2 points. Domestically, we saw and continue to see broad-based strength with unit revenue growth of 4% and improved unit revenue across every hub. We continue to see weakness in our cargo business, weaker demand due to trade concerns across the system drove cargo yields lower by 4% for the quarter. When combined with year-over-year international schedule reductions, the result was cargo revenues fell 19.9% to $208 million. Total operating expense in the third quarter were up 2.1% at $11.1 billion. When fuel and special items were excluded, our unit costs increased in the third quarter by 4.8% compared to 2018 due primarily to higher salaries and benefits, maintenance and regional expense, and lower than planned capacity. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with approximately $8 billion in total available liquidity well above our target liquidity balance of $7 billion. During the third quarter, we paid dividends of $44 million and repurchased $200 million of stock or 7.3 million shares. As Doug talked about, we have begun to delever the balance sheet as our CapEx requirements have reduced this year. We expect our adjusted debt position including pensions to decrease by $1.5 billion this year. On October 10, we announced we had removed the 737 MAX from our schedules through January 15, 2020. We now expect the 737 MAX grounding will have a negative full-year 2019 pre-tax income impact of approximately $540 million based primarily on loss revenue from scheduled reductions. Now that we have removed the MAX from 2019, we expect capacity growth of approximately 2.7% for the fourth quarter and 1% for the full-year. This is less than half the full-year capacity growth we had expected at the start of 2019. Despite this capacity level, our expectations for full-year cost per ASM, excluding fuel and special items is unchanged from previous guidance at approximately up 4%. For the fourth quarter, we continue to expect that our CASM, excluding fuel and special items will grow by approximately 3% despite the additional reduction in ASMs due to the MAX grounding in the fourth quarter. Looking forward, we see no signs of macro softness there for bookings. We expect domestic demand to remain robust and Latin to again be the best performing international entity. We expect our fourth quarter year-over-year TRASM to be flat to up 2% and PRASM to be about a point better than TRASM. We also expect that our pre-tax margin excluding net special items to be between 5% and 7%, the mid-point of which would represent the third consecutive quarter of pre-tax margin expansion. Given our expectations for the fourth quarter, we believe that our full-year earnings per diluted share excluding net special items will be between $4.50 and $5.50. We have tightened the top-end of our previous guidance of 4.50 to $6 per share due to the additional $140 million reduction in earnings from the deferral of the MAX in 2020. Our total projected capital expenditures for 2019 is expected to be 4.3 billion comprised of 1.7 billion in non-aircraft CapEx and 2.7 billion in aircraft CapEx. The slight change from previous guidance is due to the timing of the MAX deliveries moving from 2019 to 2020. Finally, I would like to give some preliminary guidance for 2020. We're still working on the final budget and there is still a measure of uncertainty over when our MAX aircraft will be introduced to service and new aircraft delivered and available for use in our fleet. As Doug mentioned, we plan to grow our network with efficient and profitable growth. At this point, we anticipate total 2020 year-over-year capacity growth of approximately 5%. This is higher than the year-over-year 2020 growth we had anticipated in the beginning of 2019, but there's entirely due to the grounding of the MAX and the cancellations resulting from the disruption of our operations, which reduced capacity in 2019. Importantly, our year end 2020 absolute capacity is in line with our expectations from the beginning of 2019. Given this capacity guidance, we have tightened our estimate for CASM ex-fuel special items and new labor agreements to be approximately flat in 2020. With that, we'd like to turn the call back over to the operator and to begin a question-and-answer session.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. And our first question comes from Joe DeNardi from Stifel Nicolaus. Your line is open.
Joe DeNardi:
Yes, thanks. Good morning. Doug, whatever coffee you had this morning, I would like some of that. I'm wondering if you could just talk about kind of expectations for earnings next year. If you've lost $500 million or $600 million from the MAX and maybe a couple hundred million more from the mechanics issues, how much of that can you kind of recapture next year? Why shouldn't kind of the base level of earnings for the business be somewhere closer to $4 billion next year? Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Sure, Joe. Again, we won’t be able to give you a much better guidance as we get through our budgeting process just begun. We can do a better job of giving you estimates next quarter, but with the two headwinds that you mentioned that we faced this year certainly should not be headwinds next year. And the amounts you described the one you showed just a little bit down is the MAX and they're not all back in January 1, as Robert described it, they phase in over the course of the year. So to the extent, whatever that headwind was in 2019 I don't think you should build all that in for 2020. But our run rate earnings are right and I'm not by any means trying to give you an earnings estimate, but absolutely agree that whatever earnings are going to be in 2019, they're going to be a good bit better. They're going to be better for the two reasons you suggest.
Joe DeNardi:
Okay. And then you've never really talked about the free cash flow outlook that bullishly. I don't think, in terms of how much it is relative to your market cap, I just want to make sure I kind of understand, I mean, from a leverage standpoint, nothing has changed, the leverage will kind of come down naturally. But we should assume that the free cash flow is primarily used to repurchase stock. Is that the idea going forward?
Doug Parker:
Yes, again let me expand a little bit then. You're right, we haven't disclosed the numbers Joe really, I mean, not because they're dramatically different than we would have said in the past versus now a year. We have -- we consistently said in the past, we're going through a period of high CapEx once we get through it, you should expect to see us generate free cash flow. When we do that, we will naturally de-lever all those statements I hopefully you would agree, we always said. What we haven't been able to do or we kind of wanted to really I’m going to just tell you three years from now, here's what the numbers will be. And now and now it's upon us. And as that free cash flow gets generated in 2020, we can give you more clarity on that, so we’re happy to. The $5.5 billion of free cash that I mentioned again is simple math on steady state earnings; we can all decide what earnings might be as we go forward. But that's what that is. And again, we certainly aren’t going to be happy if 2019 earnings are the earnings in 20 and 21. The debt paid down numbers that I gave you are reasonably simple math. Just looking at what we what we know amortizes over the next few years and what we believe we needed to add as we do have additional requirements, but obviously, the amortizations exceed the requirements. So that's -- that number again is nothing -- it's a number we go from here giving because it's what the math is telling us. And then to your point, to the extent that first number the free cash flow generation is greater than our needs to run the airline or retire debt, we believe that cash certainly in excess of our very high cash balances is best used by returning it to our shareholders, it’s their cash, us holding more than we need is a horrible use of capital. And we should return that to you as efficiently as possible. And we believe [indiscernible] by repurchasing our shares. So that's what you should expect to see from us.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Brandon Oglenski from Barclays. Your line is open.
Brandon Oglenski:
Hey, good morning, everyone and thanks for taking my question. Doug, I guess just looking back on the last couple of years I mean, I understand that the MAX definitely was quite disruptive this year, and you guys do have some good things going on in the network. But even giving credit for that, it does look like your Op income is still down on like a two-year basis and what's been a pretty robust economy. And not that we're necessarily comping every day to your peers, but their Op income is up in that same time period. So what retrospectively looking forward, what can change in this dynamic where American can start to really leverage the economy?
Doug Parker:
Sure, thanks, Brandon. Again well I don’t have those numbers in front of me, what I do know is first off I would always argue that for airlines operating incomes is a tough measure to look at if you're trying to really look at just the operating performance and I encourage you to look at EBITDA, I know we always encourage you to capitalize our operating leases on the balance sheet. And you should do the same thing by not including the operating leases in your operating cash flows and it makes a difference. So, when you do look at EPS, so I’ll suggest when I look at the numbers myself is part of what you’re seeing in deterioration relative to others is what I just talked about, which is our fleet modernization, which is now done versus theirs, which is about to come. But putting it aside, I don't disagree with your point and none of us should that we've underperformed elsewhere not just in the ownership costs. And as we look to that, the primary reason is related to the issues we talked about. We have seen our properly adjusted [indiscernible] adjusted, unit revenue gap certainly versus delta which was widening as we - every year since the merger, I’m sorry, which is narrowing every year since the merger, starting to widen the last six quarters. And that's not what we should be doing. We should be narrowing that gap, not widening it. Again, there are a number of reasons as to why it is but the biggest ones tend to be that we haven't executed on an operation. But I’m aware there's no doubt that 737 MAX issue certainly has led to the widening of that gap. But as opposed to trying to explain what it is, what I'll tell you is we're committed now to going forward and we feel very good about that.
Brandon Oglenski:
Okay, I appreciate that. And I mean the relationships still kind of hold on EBITDAR basis, but that sounds good. I guess on the upside though, you guys did call out. I think Dallas in the second quarter, RASM being up a 1.5 points, I think now you’re talking about in, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the hub being up about 3.5 in the third quarter. So it looks like maybe incrementally as your hubs scaling here, it's getting better performance. Is that right? And do we think that Charlotte can be the same in 2020?
Doug Parker:
Vasu Raja is here and we’ll let him take that one Brandon.
Vasu Raja:
Yes. And so a little bit of the effect that you see is really the effect of the peak of summer happening more in the third quarter. That said we do see a significant benefit as we improve the connectivity of our hubs. We see that not only the marginal revenues of our new flying is coming in well above the system average it’s having a meaningful impact on all the flights that remain. So for example, the new flights, the new routes that we added, the new frequencies came in about 85-plus-percent marginal PRASM, we're expecting to come in at 75% but had a meaningful impact on our big trunk routes, DFW-LA, DFW-Vegas. We do anticipate an effect like that in Charlotte. And indeed we expect a meaningful effect in Charlotte because while we grow the hub and departures and improve the connectivity, we will also up-gauge the hubs. So we will have more seats on all of those, those are really [the bench] [ph] connection.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Jamie Baker from JPMorgan. Your line is open.
Jamie Baker:
Nice to hear the renewed vigor. Are there any triggers with Boeing in the contract or potentially with lessors that would allow you to alter the delivery schedule once the MAX pipeline resumes? Also on the 5% capacity growth, what metrics do you look towards next year in determining if that's the right rate for example, would you tolerate margin contraction in 2020 after all with the pace of the buyback, you could still take out some earnings growth and free cash flow but at lower margins, would that be deemed acceptable by the team?
Doug Parker:
Let me try [indiscernible]. Irrespective what the contract, may or may not do, we want these airplanes. We want, if we refine them all today, we'd be doing. So as soon as they can be as soon as they're certified, and we have got pilots trained, we'd like to get them into service as quickly as possible. What Robert described you is what we believe is as quickly as possible. So that's, and that's the great thing to do is so we're not looking to change the delivery schedule and if anything we'd like to accelerate the delivery schedule. We feel really good about our growth prospects. Second part of the question, sorry, I think I might have answered already but go ahead.
Jamie Baker:
Yes. Would you tolerate margin contraction next year after all, and not that be involved into a modeling discussion, but still get the earnings growth and free cash at lower margins. Would you accept that outcome?
Doug Parker:
We -- we're not -- anyway -- we‘re going to try and maximize value at all times, not so much try to manage earnings as much as maximizing value. We believe the way to maximize value is to continue to expand our network. We have fewer players today than we would like. That's a rare situation for American Airlines. But I'll tell you, every meeting we have with our planning team; they're looking on the table asking for more aircraft not fewer. We want to get those airplanes into the system. Again, this is not, this is growth you should be happy about that we work on the table for. This is in our core markets filling out something that is very rarely able, we are able to do. We just take hubs Dallas/Fort Worth and Charlotte where we have gauged and add more flights into those hubs, that’s really, really good growth. And we want to do it as quickly as we can and irrespective of what that may do next year's margins earnings I don't know. What I know is that [indiscernible].
Jamie Baker:
Okay. And second question, does the free cash flow commentary for 2020 include or is it predicated on Boeing competition?
Doug Parker:
It is not. I told you - again what’s predicated on is, to be crystal clear, it is predicated on flat earnings year-over-year, so that’s what it is.
Jamie Baker:
Perfect.
Doug Parker:
And again that’s not an earnings forecast. It’s giving you a free cash flow number, if we had flat earnings, you should do your own earnings forecast. We'll do our best to give you a better guidance on that next quarter.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Darryl Genovesi from Vertical Research Partners. Your line is open.
Darryl Genovesi:
Hi, good morning everyone. Thanks for your time. Doug, if I just take your $540 million number from the MAX that you laid out. I assume some of that -- I think some of that would probably reverse in 2020 even if the MAX doesn't come back at all, just because it's no longer a surprise that you don't have it. Is that accurate? And can you help us break out sort of the impact of having to sort of manage the schedule on a day-to-day basis the way you did versus the impact of just having less capacity overall. Does that make sense?
Doug Parker:
Yes. I think I understand the reverse side of it. What we have to remember is, I mean this is really total revenue that we lost on this is about $700 million. If you take the proposal that's the 540. So really we were lower ASMs by about 1.8%. So we just didn't fly those ASMs right. We don't get those back. So that revenue doesn't come back. Now the expenses that we had and we spent on there, those are going to be there. So you should have not see, when we put this growth back in, you shouldn't see the CASM go up as much because of the fact that the expenses were already there. So the 540 is really a number where you take about $700 million of revenue due to the not flying offset by some costs that gets you there. And you're right; the costs that are embedded in the airline today are here already to fly the aircraft when they come. So that should be, I shouldn't have to add those costs as those planes come back in. And I think that's what you're asking. Right?
Darryl Genovesi:
Actually, I was kind of asking more about the scenario where, you sort of don’t -- you kind of don't get it back, right. I mean, suppose, you know, January 15th ends up being way optimistic. I'm just trying to get a sense of how much I should expect this, how much I should expect this flat CASM ex guide to move around based on the fact that I think, there are probably, for instance, I mean you're probably not going to be asking, pilots to be on schedules and getting hit by that to the extent that you did early on in this process. And so I guess I was thinking that there's probably some CASM ex relief associated with just not kind of having to manage things on a day-to-day basis like that.
Doug Parker:
Yes, you're definitely right on that. This is assuming the MAX coming back at the schedule that Robert had talked about. There could be changes to that just depending as we go forward. But this is assuming the MAX schedule that Robert talked about where they phase back into the early part of the year. And the deliveries do come in.
Robert Isom:
Hi Darryl, I'll just add that. The pilots are here, the flight attendants are here, the gates are here. So for the most part, we're ready to fly these aircraft. If we want to hear something from Boeing that was just incremental changes there's not on a heck of a lot that you can build that. To the extent that there would be something that say you don't give us much more visibility long into the future. Of course we would make adjustments. But right now it's really just around the edges that we can cut back.
Darryl Genovesi:
Okay. And have you slowed your hiring at all? In submission [ph] that just keeps that this continues to linger?
Doug Parker:
We slowed early in the fall here, but then we're hiring back up to meet the schedule needs for early part of the first quarter. So we're back making sure that we can fly the schedule that Robert talked about with the aircraft coming back, so that when they come back, we're ready to roll.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Hunter Keay from Wolfe Research. Your line is open.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Hunt.
Hunter Keay:
Hey, Doug good morning. I actually have a question for Derek and a question for Vasu. Derek, can you just help me understand the accounting of how you guys will realize the concession payments from Boeing don't care how much it's going to be just want to know if it's going to impact the P&L is my main question?
Derek Kerr:
We do not have an answer on that yet. It all depends on how we get it back. The accounting is if you get it against the aircraft price that would just go into reduced aircraft price and wouldn't hit the P&L. If it comes back as lost earnings, it possibly could hit the P&L. So we don't -- we do not know yet. We're in negotiations with Boeing and have continued to talk with them. And as we continue to go through that, we will update everybody on where it will hit P&L and if it will hit the P&L and what that number is going to be.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. Great. And then Vasu, the 5% capacity growth. I'm surprised that‘s so low, it implies only about 3.5% core growth in 2020. Can you help me? Can you peel that back for me a little bit? I mean, how is this so low and maybe you can talk about a mix of domestic and international gauge anything like that I was expecting you guys to show more like 4% or 5% sort of core growth. So is that a conservative number, any color on that would be great from your perspective. Thank you.
Vasu Raja:
Yes, hey Hunter first of all, we're still working through our high level of operations for next year. But I'd say the simple way to think of it is that about a quarter-and-a-half or so is just the bring back of the MAX. The remainder of it is the growth of our core business. And of that remainder, it's pretty evenly split between just a variety of gauge initiatives and an actual departure-based growth. As far as the domestic and international split we're still kind of working through that right now. Of course, we've announced a lot of international receiving probably backs off for some of it. But we anticipate that domestic will moderately outgrow International, but it'll be pretty close. But we're refining it more in the next quarter.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth from Evercore. Your line is open.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey, thank you. Derek, sorry, if I didn't hear it correctly. But does your flat CASM outlook or preliminary flat CASM outlook include or exclude new labor agreements?
Derek Kerr:
It excludes labor agreements.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. And how would you handicap probabilities. And I know you don't want to talk about terms but timing on mechanics and pilots next year?
Doug Parker:
Hey Duane, I will talk on that one. Again I said in my comments I’ve agreed NMB’s request not to discuss, we’re under negotiations and that starts to do it. I know it's important to you. We hopefully understand, we're much more focused on getting the negotiation done. I don't want to jeopardize that. So if you don't mind, what is telling you that we're happy to run negotiations, we're happy that the NMB has asked us in post live not to talk about it. We think that helps the negotiations rather than hurt them and we don't want to violate that when we do have a contract. We will absolutely let you know the answers to those questions.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Totally fair, sorry for asking.
Doug Parker:
Okay, not a problem.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Appreciate the surprise that was kind of dumped on you by the Chilean courts, which catalyzed this change with LATAM. But can you talk about how you're going to replace that feed? For example, would you envision a JV across multiple airlines in South America?
Robert Isom:
I'll go ahead and then start on that. The great news is that our network by far the best in the South America, there's a lot that we can do to augment that on our own. And while again, LATAM was disappointing you also have to realize the nature of what that was and what it could be. So for now, customers are choosing to purchase American and fly American. And as we take a look at what goes for of course that network we have in South America could be really attractive to a lot of partners. And so we're busy working and exploring and evaluating the opportunities that are out there right now so, good things to come.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Savi Syth from Raymond James. Your line is open.
Savi Syth:
Just a question on the International growth here in the Trans-Atlantic. I recognize you had some individual items and FX that was kind of hurting it, what’s driving the kind of the double-digit increase and would you expect that to moderate, given the unit revenue pressures?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, hi this is Vasu. Look a lot of what's really driving our capacity growth that growth was just simply the growth of capacity. As Derek mentioned in his opening remarks in the last year, we did a lot to go and restructure international network, we cut something in the order of 17 or 18 routes across the system that were really long-term money losers, and we turned them into 22 new routes, much of which was growth in Trans-Atlantic and all of which is coming at a really attractive revenue clip. They are having some issues in 3Q with foreign exchange and things like that, as Derek mentioned, but the marginal profitability of the routes we've added in Trans-Atlantic has been pretty impressive. And indeed, year-to-date, our Trans-Atlantic unit revenues on an absolute basis have been higher than they've been in any point since the merger. So we're encouraged by it. It's been really great utilization for our airplanes, and all together margin positive for us.
Savi Syth:
Thank you. And then if might ask on the network side question, just curious on your view on Chicago, it's -- you've made some changes there. And one of your competitors is definitely kind of refocused in that hub and now is -- is they kind of introduce the 550 some of those the leadership that you had with some of the kind of the taking advantage of your larger great regional aircraft opportunity there. That advantage seems to be eroding as we look forward in the network. Any thoughts on how you view kind of the performance in Chicago and your positioning in Chicago?
Robert Isom:
Yes, we're actually really excited for our future in Chicago on a number of levels that I mean for one, and I've talked about this probably in lot of forum, removing Chicago to Asia, for us has been actually a big benefit to the Chicago hub. A lot of that was not just unprofitable flying in and of itself, it was claiming space off of domestic airplanes and things like that that could have otherwise gone to other customers in the Chicago local market or people connecting from other parts of business. So that alone has been a big change in Chicago. And also as we look forward though, our principal competitor there is indeed rolling out the new product, the reality is, we still will be able to offer more First Class seats to the Chicago customer. We absolutely intend to continue doing that. One of the major things that we're excited for, as we go into next year and work through the MAX situation is it will have a lot more flexibility to do things like bringing the A319 into Chicago, which will enable us to kind of upguage regional jet markets to vary our capacity more through day of week, create a lot of variability in the schedule that ultimately goes into tracks the key business customers in the Chicago and Greater Midwest area that our principal competitor seems to be targeting. So we very much like our chances out there, we very much will continue to do that. And even going forward looking longer run as we ourselves continue to aggressively replace single class 50 seat RJs with 2-class airplanes, Chicago will be a place where we'll continue to thrive and be able to produce some improving results.
Don Casey:
This is Don. I will just add one more data timeframe and we really have performed the domestic business in the third quarter we have 12% and our best performing hub for unit revenue was Chicago.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Rajeev Lalwani from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Hi, good morning gentlemen. Thanks for the time. Doug, a question for you, I appreciate the enthusiasm this morning but what makes this time different versus before? I mean, we've heard relatively bullish pitches from you and I'll stay down in Dallas a couple of years ago, so what stands out this time versus then the story get the buy-in from investors and analysts alike?
Doug Parker:
One, you haven’t heard from us before these cash flow initiatives, other cash volumes, sorry generation because we couldn't say it before. Again, that's not anything I feel pretty badly about. We needed to invest in this company. And we were describing the time to our investors and it was going to be significant. And the reality is, while we were making record profits, we weren't generating cash flow because we were spending it on upgrading our fleet of that $31 billion I talked about in the last six years, $23 billion of that was spent on new airplanes. So that's behind us, so that's a new message, hope it gets a change in bullishness, it's a new message and one that I think is important to our investors. So that's point one. And the other only what I'd add to the bullishness piece is our bullishness at the moment is not driven by us seeing anything differently than anyone else, it's driven by our absolute understanding that we -- our earnings this year were hindered by two circumstances that we fully expect to be behind us early in 2020 and our commitment to ensure that we have operational excellence and the growth prospects all of that as we try in Chicago, in conclusions that’s what we are.
Rajeev Lalwani:
All right, that’s helpful. And as a follow-up, just maybe for Derek as well broadly on labor, I don't want to talk about specific contracts but broadly on labor, do you believe that you've got a step-up in wages to get the buy-in of employees? I mean, that was sort of a strategy united it seems to be successful for now. But maybe I'm not thinking about it or approaching it the right way that that may be needed to deliver on some of what you're describing?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, look as we talk to our employees, the biggest thing we need to do for our team is provide our live operation. We and thanks to some frontline leadership have done a really nice job of taking care of our team we have, as you're well aware needed to increase compensation across the board to get our wage levels to where their peers in other airlines are because they certainly deserve to be paid relative as much or more as those that are doing similar jobs at airlines. But this the issue we're dealing with now as it relates to the team is, we need to give them the tools they need to do their jobs, which they do so incredibly well. That's go and take care of customers. And we haven't been doing that. We don't run, we don't have operational excellence; our team ends up bearing the brunt of that. They end up not being where they're supposed to be, they end up having inventory over time, they end up having unhappy customers, all of which impact the runoff. So what we're -- what we know and further is operational excellence is to our customers and to our shareholders. It's really important to our team, and that's all those reasons why we're so committed to making sure it happens, and we believe doing that will do more for our team than anything else we can do right now.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Mike Linenberg from Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Mike Linenberg:
Yes, hey Doug. Hey, two quick questions here, I guess on fleet, Doug, the $8 billion to $10 billion reduction in net debt over the next five years. Presumably, there's no major fleet decision for American probably out till 2024, 2025. That's kind of implicit in that. And if that is the case, what is the next aircraft type in the fleet that you're looking at that, you then have to address? What's the timing on that? Thank you.
Doug Parker:
I would add, I’ll let Derek to add. Yes, that’s Mike. [Indiscernible] we will have the MDAs were gone out, the A190 were gone out of the fleet, the 760 were gone out of the fleet, 75s will eventually go out of the fleet. So the next real big decision for us is in the A319 category. Everything else will those aircraft are and on average 15 years today. So as you said, we don't have any decision to make until, 2025 timeframe, we might talk earlier, but I think it's really in that category, the 319 category and what will be the replacement for that and our 320 at the bottom and 150 seat range to 130 seat range.
Derek Kerr:
And Mike I’ve got the data points for you and everyone else. As we look at our fleet now, only 10% of our fleet, only 10% of our fleet was 20 years or older as compared, contrasted to our two large competitors have about a third of their fleets 20 years or older. So anyway, it'll be a while, we feel very good. And indeed, over half of our fleet is zero to 10 years. So we again, it took us a while to get there, we had to spend a lot to do it. But we feel really good about where we are with our fleet and certainly relative to our cash needs versus our competitors going forward.
Mike Linenberg:
Agreed, great position to be in. And then just my second follow-up on, on the A321 NEO, I mean, you're obviously taking delivery of them now and into 2020. Given that you are I think Airbus you may be their largest customer for the A320 family right now just looking at your fleet and the potential, any chance that you can have those airplanes deliver out of Mobile rather than Europe as we move forward?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. I would say, this is Derek and we have already a schedule out through the mid of 2020, where we'll have nine coming out of Mobile, six of them are Hamburg today. And then we have still six to be determined. So we'll do everything we can, we have 21 deliveries for the next two years, we're doing everything we can to talk to Airbus, to try to get them out of Mobile and make sure that those aircraft come from that manufacturing facility instead of Hamburg. But as of today of the 21, we have come in six come from Hamburg, nine from Mobile and six yet to be determined, which are late in 2020 that we will continue to work to get to those out of Mobile.
Doug Parker:
Hi Mike, impliciting your question, I think is that if we didn't do that that we would be paying the tariffs, as what you have been saying that, let me assume we did.
Mike Linenberg:
Yes, definitely.
Doug Parker:
Look what we know don't think no that the USTR place the tariffs with the level it did to ensure that the burden didn't get borne by U.S. airlines but by the French. So we're happy to work with airbus to mitigate that amount. But I don't think you should assume that if it's not mitigated that American Airlines would be -- would be a worse borne. Having said that, what we really hope is that it never get to that point, the answer this is not to keep escalating and having tariffs on both sides. The answer to this is for the European Commission, USTR sit down and work this out in a way that doesn't have tariffs going places. But if they can't do that, this again, we're certain that the goal of the USTR was not to have these tariffs paid by U.S. airlines, and then passed on to U.S.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Helane Becker from Cowen. Your line is open.
Helane Becker:
Thanks very much operator. Hi, everybody. And thank you for the time. I just had two questions. My first question is with respect to how you're intending to use Envoy on some of your other regional airlines for the capacity growth that you're doing in Dallas, in Charlotte. And then my other follow-up question is, as you think about growing Latin America, which you’ve talked about in your prepared remarks relative to taking up that capacity that you're kind of losing with LATAM, is there space at Miami that do the same thing you're doing in Charlotte, DCA and in Dallas? Thank you.
Vasu Raja:
Hey, Helane, this is Vasu. Let me take your questions in reverse order. First of all, space in Miami. Yes, we have the space in Miami to grow in any number of ways adding the three flights that Robert mentioned earlier and is all accommodated within the capacity footprint that we have there. We have a really great position in Miami, a really great relationship with Miami airport and community at large. And so the way we see this is Robert says that we will always have the biggest and the best Latin American network, it is at the very heart of our competitive advantage as an airline. And that's one thing that that even through all of this stuff we will continue to do and will continue to be able to go and operate in Miami and grow there, though it doesn't have the profitability of markets like DFW and Charlotte, there are routes out of Miami that are among -- are most critical for our customers and certainly and in certain days a week in times of year, it was really attractive marketplace for us and you'll see us take full advantage of that in the year ahead. To your first question about Envoy growth, which I think in part you meant Envoy maybe you meant kind of regional versus mainline. I'll speak to both, our growth this past year has been heavily driven by the regional operations. Next year it will be more heavily driven by our mainline operation. Our growth in Charlotte especially is less about growing our regional jets. It's about one improving the connectivity of the hub making more O&D market and very critically having more seats on all those O&Ds. So you'll see a few things like bring the 737s in the larger degree, turn more regional jets in the mainline, we endeavor to do the same thing in DFW as well. Now that said our regional jet network is a very critical part of our airline that does, as we say the little jets make the big jets go. And so we -- there will be a big dose of regional jet growth as well. It'll just lag the mainline next year, whereas this year it kind of outpaced the mainline.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Dan McKenzie for Buckingham Research. Your line is open.
Dan McKenzie:
Hey, good morning, thanks for the time here. If possible, I would love to clarify the messaging on 2020, so CASM ex-fuel flat next year, you expect to grow earnings investors are going to interpret that as your base outlook for either revenues to be flat or up despite a pretty high capacity picture. So not asking for 2020 revenue guidance, of course, but just trying to make sure there is just no flaw here in the preliminary? Thank you.
Doug Parker:
But you are asking for revenue guidance. If we take out the CASM is flat [indiscernible] earnings are up, sounds like that revenue guidance. But look I wanted to go back to what we said so far Dan and we are not yet prepared to give you real guidance on earnings in 2020 because we are doing our own work and so we will let you know more as we know more ourselves. Certainly in the next call, we want to give you better guidance on 2020. Earnings forecast but and you should do your own work on what you think about and thinking on revenue and where we are relative to that, right now we can’t give you much more than this.
Dan McKenzie:
Yes, understood. Okay, had to try of course. Okay, so good commentary, free cash flow demand, solid revenue backdrop, there is worry that the parallel universe that the consumer today goes the way of the industrial sector tomorrow, I've had more than one conversation with owners about what Americans earnings would look like in the downturn. And again, I know that's not your message today, but can you talk about the fleet flexibility, so both narrow-body, wide-body and is there a way to get ahead of the economic data points as they start to worsen?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, Dan we have a significant amount of fleet flexibility. We have unencumbered aircraft, some 264 aircraft, almost 100 of those mainline, 172 Regional, we have 65 deliveries to come next year which we could, we could deal with if we needed to lease extensions, there's about 47 of those that would come off and then older aircraft, we have 53 of those, which most of those are in the unencumbered category. So and we have upwards 300 350 aircraft, fleet flexibility that if something happened, we could take the fleet down, if required if there was some type of a recession or anything like that, but as I said earlier, we're not seeing anything like that in our bookings, and things just continue to stay strong.
Operator:
Thank you. And we'll take our last analyst question from David Vernon with Bernstein. Your line is open.
David Vernon:
Hi, guys, thanks for taking the time. Question for you on the focus for 2020. Obviously, Rob and Doug you talked about getting the anti-performance and the basic execution done and improved. I'm just wondering if there are specific things in the revenue pipeline that will help you to narrow that gap that you mentioned before on the unit revenue side with some of your peers.
Don Casey:
Yes, this is Don. Again, if you go and look at our past year’s unit revenue performance this year in 2019, we did better than our [indiscernible] by 1 point based on guidance for 4Q that was based on the readiness in the pipeline this year, which also included our growing operation in Dallas, which we had in place, 1st of July. So as we look forward into 2020, we continue to have a pipeline of revenue initiatives. Obviously next year, big part of that is going to be the annualization of growth in Dallas, adding the growth in Charlotte, and we are going to be updating and adding seats to airplanes, which is going to be great thing to our revenue performance in 2020.
David Vernon:
Anything on the product set specifically that you can talk to around whether it's some of the premium products or some of the other work you've been doing on the cabin side that would help us kind of look for scale to get some update?
Doug Parker:
Don you can chime in here, but hey one is that we're finally getting to the point of being able to offer instant upsell in higher level cabin. So as we've been improving our affiliate segment, whether it's through main Cabin Extra or premium economy type seats, being able to offer that to customers in a convenient way, is something that we finally have the technology to be able to do and that was launched earlier this summer, expanded throughout the domestic and now we're looking to move that that to international and also into other channels as well. So that's something that will absolutely help us take advantage of the product offerings that we have out there. And to Don’s point, in terms of being able to harmonize our cabins and ensure that we have the configurations we want. We had to take a hiatus because of operational issues this past summer on those programs, those have been restarted and we anticipate that our 737 classic fleet will be fully upgraded by the summer of 2021.
David Vernon:
Okay. And then maybe just a quick follow-up on the deleveraging that's going to happen over the next couple of years. Is there anything you can tell us about the rates on this that you'll be retiring versus the rates you're paying on more recent debt like is there going to be any sort of shift in the effect of interest rate as you are modeling out the next couple years for cash flow?
Derek Kerr:
I would say -- this is Derek. I would say no, I think our average debt is around 4% right now. So most of the higher price that we've paid off, it might be slightly higher of the old things we are going to pay off because most of it is aircraft that will include pension too. So we're going to take the pension down by about $3 billion in that calculation. So from an aircraft standpoint, it will be older aircraft that that is probably up in the 5% range, little bit higher than what our average cost of debt but not significantly higher.
Doug Parker:
Just for clarification, $3 billion in the $8 billion to $10 billion.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, $3 billion is in the $8 billion to $10 billion sorry of the -- over the five-year period.
Operator:
Thank you. And we will now open up the lines for media to ask questions. [Operator Instructions]. Thank you. And our first question we will take is Alison Sider from Wall Street Journal. Your line is open.
Alison Sider:
Hi, thank you so much, hi. I was wondering if you could tell us anything about sort of the tone of the discussions you're having with Boeing around compensation. Is there progress being made or from your comments this morning, is there concern about an impact there?
Doug Parker:
Alison I will start. Again the discussions are underway, but I guess I characterize it as early. I think not just -- no reason for us to be concerned at this point, but also no real clarity at this point. Much of the reason being, from the standpoint of Boeing still not certainty as to when the aircraft will be recertified. So talks are underway but they're early, but we feel highly confident that the losses that American Airlines have incurred, won't be incurred by American shareholders but will be borne by the Boeing shareholders.
Alison Sider:
Got it. And are you concerned at all about any additional delays in return to service timing and I guess, broadly do you feel like Boeing, the leadership changes this may lately have gone far enough or do you think the company might have to do more?
Doug Parker:
We were asked to return to service. The answer to that question asked to return to service. Our -- the date that we have January 15 is based on the best information we have from talking to not just Boeing but the FAA. We were encouraged to see Boeing announce I think earlier this week that they believe the aircraft will be certified in the fourth quarter. So, that information, I guess is probably -- it's probably safe it is probably best described that information in best case given what we've all seen over the course of this process, but it's a reasonable case. And therefore, we, if indeed, that is -- that situation is correct, if indeed the aircraft is recertified in the fourth quarter, we absolutely, we will be able to have our five airplanes as I described, certified flying revenue as early as January 15. If indeed that doesn't tend to be the case, we will once again, need to adjust. And we've unfortunately are getting really good at that, we have designed this one in particular, to be easier to do than others in that regard. So, yes, we're frustrated. But it is hopefully getting to the point. It certainly feels as though the delay that we hear about seem to be shorter delays. The confidence seems to be higher. But we don't take that as certainly close to it. But based on everything we know today, certainly seems reasonable to have these aircraft and our schedule to five airplanes January 15 and we are highly to be the case. If indeed that has not been the case, we will adjust and let our customers know well in advance.
Alison Sider:
Got it, thanks and on leadership.
Doug Parker:
Okay.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Dawn Gilbertson from USA Today. Your line is open.
Doug Parker:
Hi Dawn.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Hi, good morning. Hey, two questions. One Robert you mentioned under your consumer initiative, new technology, I think you said related to helping families sit together. Can you go into any detail on that? And my second question is seat fees are really prevalent right now. And I'm wondering where that you can give any sense of the revenue opportunities there and where that ranks right now in terms of ancillary revenue? Thanks.
Robert Isom:
Hey Dawn, I didn't hear the second part of the question. The first part is just in terms of sitting families together, I’ll just say this, we've always had a technology to help, we've improved our algorithms. And ultimately, we're getting a much better hit rate of making sure that we protect and we reserve seats for those families. And so there's good things, there's good things on that front, but all technology-based and really enhancements to processes that we have in place today. But now as it works, the second part of your question was I didn't appear there was seat fees, did you said that?
Dawn Gilbertson:
I wanted to get a sense of the scope of you started these preferred seat fees and every all airlines have them now pretty much to one degree or another. And it seems to me that's got to be a pretty big revenue. You're bringing a lot of money from these preferred seat fees. And I'm just wondering if you can give us any sense of the scope of that, where you plan to take that and where that ranks now in kind of in the ancillary hierarchy?
Don Casey:
Yes. This is Don Casey. We've done quite a bit on the seat service. One is just introducing different products; the main Cabin Extra we’re going to relaunch with enhanced benefits a year ago, that has proven to be very successful. And again there are customers do have the willingness to pay right a bit more for their product. And that's what we're finding out in the marketplace. So we're continuing to expand the product portfolio for better products out there and provide better capabilities for customers to buy out into those better products. And we're seeing good demand. Seat fee revenue today is now our second largest ancillary revenue stream after bags.
Dawn Gilbertson:
If I could just ask just a quick follow-up related to that, when you say on seat fee revenue, does that include so that includes your preferred seat fees, where you get nothing extra and also main Cabin Extra? What's in that basket?
Don Casey:
It’s basically every additional charge that customer is willing to pay for a better seat on the airplane. So in the case of preferred seats, those are aisles and windows and close to the front. And they have an extra, extra leg room, free drink and better dedicated access to games and [indiscernible].
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Tracy Rucinski from Reuters. Your line is open.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Tracy.
Tracy Rucinski:
Hi, good morning. Doug, I was wondering what is your own position on the Boeing employees’ instant messages about MCAST and the simulator and the emails that referred to not including mention of MCAST in the flight manual?
Doug Parker:
We don’t have a position on that. Our position is we're highly interested in having the airplane. Boeing meet the requirements of the FAA and get the airplane recertified. I will note that we think the FAA is doing a fantastic job with this process and it’s showing real leadership. They always do on safety in aviation, and we feel really confident that once the FAA recertifies this airplane it’s one of the safest in the world. And we're looking forward to that date.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Edward Russell from The Points Guy. Your line is open.
Edward Russell:
All right, thank you. Vasu I need to ask about your comments on Chicago, you mentioned offering more first class seats than competitors and then you talked about shifting to more A319s in 2020. However, my understanding it’s been, it’s eight first class seats versus some of your 12 seat aircraft at 12 instead of offering 10 on their new door aircraft, door class aircraft, talk a bit more about what's the strategy is to attract business travelers in the Chicago market?
Vasu Raja:
Yes, Ed, great question. And importantly, the 319 eight first class seats anytime we're taking out a single class 50 seater, and replacing with bigger jet. Of course going from zero first class seats to something more than that, regardless of what it is. So with that in mind, really, there's multiple things that we plan to do in Chicago. One of which is look, we have a luxury in Chicago that our competitor doesn't have, which is that we have a gigantic East West Hub in DFW for our competitor that is the best East West Hub that they have. And so what we're really interested in doing is being able to provide the best product and schedule to the customers of Chicago to the world. And we will increasingly do this as we move through a number of our fleet initiatives and product initiatives too. We will have better schedule on the key days the business travelers go; we will vary the capacity levels that we have in the course of the week. And then over the long-term, what will increasingly do is as we do more 50 seat replacements, you'll see more and more two-class services, whether it's larger, RJ319, or 737s coming into Chicago.
Don Casey:
I will just ask Don that customers right now, I mean they like our product in Chicago and we’re seeing it in the numbers. I mentioned earlier in Chicago is the highest in any hub we have and we grew our corporate passenger volumes in Chicago in the third quarter by 7%. So customers like the product we have there right now.
Edward Russell:
Okay, thank you. So just to be clear, I'm understanding the 50 seaters will come out 319 this year and seat markets will step up to 76 seaters and those [indiscernible] that's kind of the idea of sort of the cascade going on for Boeing?
Robert Isom:
Yes, Ed. Over time they will, we're working through what that looks like. I think at this point, we're probably not yet ready to reveal all of it. But that is our long-term plan, as long been our fleet plan and marketplace Chicago, is kinds of things we have in mind for it.
Operator:
Thank you. And that does conclude our question-and-answer session for today's conference. I now would like to turn the call back over to Doug Parker for any closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
All right. Thank you all very much for your interest and we appreciate it and if you have any questions, either contact Investor Relations or Corporate Communications, we will be happy to answer. Thank you very much.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may all disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day.
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Call. Today's conference call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. And now, I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens. You may begin.
Dan Cravens:
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group's second quarter 2019 earnings conference call. Joining us in the room this morning is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room for our Q&A session are several of our senior execs, including Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs, and Don Casey, our Senior Vice President of Revenue Management. In addition, we have Devon May, our Senior VP of Networks Strategy; and Kenji Hashimoto, our Senior VP of Finance. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our financial results; Derek will then walk us through the details on the second quarter and provide some additional information on our guidance for the remainder of the year. Robert will then follow with commentary on the operational performance and revenue environment. And then, after we hear from those comments, we will open the call for analyst questions and lastly questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecast or capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans, and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2019. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as pre-tax profit and CASM, excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release and that can also be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will be archived on our website. The information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us this morning. And at this point, I’ll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Dan, and thanks everyone who are with us this morning. Today, we are happy to report improved second quarter results for American Airlines. The company produced pre-tax income excluding special items of $1.1 billion for the quarter and a year-over-year increase in our diluted earnings per share of 10%. It's a revenue driven improvement. We saw record second quarter revenue of $12 billion as well as record second quarter total revenue per available seat mile. The credit for producing these results goes entirely to our team, our 130,000 colleagues are doing a great job of taking care of our customers during the peak season and they're doing it despite a challenging summer. In fact the people in American are doing heroic, thanks for taking care of our customers and it shows in these results, and our projections for 2019 earnings, which have improved since our last quarter call. But as excited as we are about the team's performance this quarter, we're even more excited about the potential at American Airlines and our potential for value creation in 2020 and beyond. The challenges we face this summer are near-term issues that absolutely will be addressed with time. And as we look to the long-term though the results we've produced despite these obstacles give us the utmost confidence in what lies ahead. And that's particularly true as we move into a period when our investments taper off significantly and the results of those investments continue to increase. So with that I'll turn over to Derek and then Robert to give you more details and then we'll get the questions. Derek?
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning everybody. The ongoing grounding of our MAX fleet as well as operational issues caused by the weather and the union action meant that it was undoubtedly a challenging quarter for American Airlines. However thanks to the efforts of our team members we were able to produce financial results that exceeded our expectations at the start of the quarter. So I'd like to thank everyone for their hard work over the past few months. In the second quarter, 2019 earnings press release in Form 10-Q that we filed this morning, we reported a second quarter net profit excluding net special items of $810 million, a 5.1% increase over the second quarter of 2018. Our diluted earnings per share excluding that special items in the second quarter was $1.82 per share, up 10% from a $1.66 per diluted share in the second quarter of 2018. Our second quarter 2019 pre-tax profit excluding net special items was $1.1 billion resulting in a pre-tax margin of 9% compared to 8.7% in 2018. This was the first quarter, our year-over-year margin expansion since the first quarter of 2016. Despite the operational challenges during the quarter, our total revenues were a record for the second quarter at $12 billion, up 2.7% versus second quarter 2018. Our total revenue per ASM increased for the 13th consecutive quarter by 3.5% to $16.54 also a record for the second quarter. We saw increased strength in demand for travel during the quarter resulted in passenger revenues increasing by 3.2% to $11 billion. Robert will give you more color on the trends we are seeing in the revenue improvements during his remarks. Our cargo yields were slightly higher during the quarter, but year-over-year scheduled reductions and falling demand in Asia and Europe markets meant that cargo revenue fell 15.4% to $221 million despite that increase in yields. Our loyalty program continues to grow steadily which drove other revenues up by 2.9% to $728 million. This growth was primarily due to new card acquisitions as access to the world's largest program and best network continues to be a strong incentive for new customers. Total operating expenses in the second quarter of 2019 were 1.6% higher at $10.8 billion when fuel and special items are excluded, our unit costs increased in the second quarter by 4.8% higher than previous guidance due primarily to lower than planned second quarter ASMs which declined 0.8% from 2018 as a result of the operational disruptions I mentioned earlier. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with approximately $8.2 billion in total available liquidity. So far this year, our treasury team has completed a number of transactions including securing financing for 26 new mainline and regional aircraft to be delivered in 2019 and 2020 through mortgage and sale leaseback structures. With the exception of three regional aircraft delivered in the fourth quarter, we have committed financing for all aircraft deliveries through 2019. Additionally, we have committed financing for 25 of over 2020 deliveries and we'll continue to evaluate financing options for our remaining mainline and regional aircraft deliveries. In May 2019, we raised $750 million in an unsecured notes offering and used the proceeds to fund contributions to our defined benefit plans. In aggregate, we made contributions of $858 million to our defined benefits plan in the second quarter for total contributions of $1.2 billion year-to-date or $436 million in excess of our required contributions. As a result, we have prefunded a portion of our 2020 requirements and our remaining minimum funding obligation for next year is now forecasted to be approximately $200 million. Lastly, in June 2019, we completed a spare engine WTC transaction in the U.S. private placement market to raise $650 million at attractive rates which are comparable to those achieved in aircraft WTCs. During the second quarter, we paid dividends of $44 million. We did not repurchase any stock as fuel prices remained high for much of the quarter which pushed our projected year-end liquidity near our target level of $7 billion and prices didn't fall until we had entered the closed trading window. We remain committed to returning cash above our liquidity target to our shareholders. We continue to expect that our 2019 year-end net debt including pensions and the present value of aircraft rents will be more than $1 billion lower compared to year-end 2018. We expect this trend to continue for the foreseeable future as our CapEx obligations normalized from the peak years of our fleet transformation program which will also result in significant free cash flow generation by the airline. While we expect 2019 to be relatively flat in terms of free cash flow generation due to the increased pension contribution, we are currently forecasting to generate significant free cash flow in 2020 and 2021. On July 14, we announced that we had removed the Boeing MAX from our schedules until November 2nd. Previously we were guided to a full-year negative impact to pre-tax income of approximately $350 million which was based primarily on lost revenues from scheduled reductions forced by the removal of the MAX from our operating fleet. We have now reviewed all of the data from the second quarter and given the extension of the grounding period, we now anticipate that the impact to the full-year will be approximately $400 million. We now estimate that the impact on the second quarter was approximately $175 million and estimate that the impact on the third quarter will be approximately $125 million, lower than the impact of the second quarter as we are no longer seeing the short-term disruption to passenger travel that the grounding caused in April. We remain confident in the aircraft and look forward to reintegrating the aircraft into our fleet once all of the regulatory approvals are in place. During the June, we announced an order of 50 aircraft, Airbus A321 XLR aircraft with delivery scheduled to begin in 2023 and end in 2025. 30 of these orders were a conversion of the existing A321neo orders with the other 20 being an exercise of existing Neo options. Since the aircraft order was already part of our long-term fleet plan, it does not materially change our expectations for capital expenditures in these years. The expected range and capabilities of XLR are impressive and will add flexibility to our fleet opening up the potential for exciting new markets for our customers that we will be able to fly very efficiently. In addition in our fleet plan filed this morning as part of our usual investor update, we announced that we have extended the operating life of some of our A320, 737, and 757 aircraft on a short-term basis. These extensions will allow us more flexibility as we deal with the grounding of the MAX and the late delivery of the A321neo's and provide modest and efficient growth to our fleet. With the extension of MAX cancellations to November 2nd, we now anticipate capacity growth of approximately 1.5% for both the third quarter and the full-year. This is approximately half the full-year capacity we had expected at the start of the year which has put upward pressures on our unit cost expectations. For the full-year, we now expect that our 2019 cost per ASM excluding fuel special items and new labor agreements will grow by approximately 4%. This increased from previous guidance of an increase of between 2% and 3% is driven entirely by the reduction in the anticipated ASM growth primarily driven by the MAX. As a result, we now expect our CASM excluding fuel special items and new labor agreements will increase by approximately 5% in the third quarter and 3% in the fourth quarter. Based on the forward curve, as of July 22nd, we are forecasting that our average fuel price will be between $2.05 and $2.10 per gallon in the third quarter for the full-year will be $2.04 to $2.09. For revenue, we expect our total revenue per ASM will grow between 1% and 3% in the third quarter. And given the cost guidance I outlined above, we expect that third quarter pre-tax margin excluding net special items will be between 5.5% to 7.5%. We now believe that our earnings per diluted share excluding net special items will be between $4.50 to $6 in 2019 and continue to expect that we will see margin expansion in the second half of 2019. Our total projected capital expenditures for 2019 remain unchanged at $4.4 billion comprised of $1.7 billion in non-aircraft CapEx and $2.7 billion in aircraft CapEx. We now expect total CapEx of $3.6 billion in 2020 and $2.1 billion in 2021. The guidance for 2020 and 2021 is slightly lower than the previous guidance as a result of the XLR agreement I referred to earlier in my remarks. In conclusion, 2019 has certainly presented some unexpected challenges which have stressed our operation and put our team in some very difficult situations. But our front line team has met every challenge and done a phenomenal job of helping out our customers and supporting each other. We look forward to moving past these short-term headwinds and executing on all of the exciting projects that we have in the pipeline. And with that, I'll turn it over to Robert.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Derek. Good morning everyone. Before I begin I too would like to thank our team members for doing a great job of taking care of our customers given the issues that we've faced with our fleet in operation. Their hard work and perseverance were instrumental in our ability to generate record second quarter revenues. While we faced some significant challenges during the second quarter, we also had some notable achievements including the completion of our rollout of our industry-leading premium economy product, the expansion of our DFW hub, and the completion of our high speed Wi-Fi installation. I'll spend some time discussing the challenges but I want to spend the majority of my time emphasizing all of the great things our team is doing and the positive momentum that we're seeing within our business. As for challenges, as Derek mentioned in his remarks on July 14, we made the decision to extend the cancellations of our Boeing 737 MAX aircraft through November 2nd, while the return date has shifted from our original expectations, we remain optimistic that the aircraft will return to service in November. Our confidence in Boeing, FAA, and other regulatory agencies remains intact and we are committed partners along with our Allied Pilots Association and Association of Professional Flight Attendants in this ongoing process. As always, as new information becomes available we'll assess the impact on our schedule and initiate changes as soon as possible to take best care of our customers and team. In terms of our operation, in May, we initiated the litigation against the union representing our mechanic team members for engaging in a coordinated legal work slowdown in an effort to influence contract negotiations. That slowdown has significantly impacted the company's operations and caused a high number of flight cancellations and delays in the second quarter. A temporary restraining order enjoining the slowdown and further interruption to the company's operation was granted by the court. The court is in the process of ruling on a permanent injunction against the continuation of these illegal activities and we are waiving that decision. Ultimately, our goal is to get back to the negotiating table where we will work to get our mechanics and fleet service team members, the industry-leading contract that they deserve just as we have with all of our other team members. Throughout the legal work action and really for any disruptions now and in the future, our team is doing their best to take care of our customers and their co-workers. Fortunately we have new tools to help in that effort. Improved customer notifications for delays and cancellations, automated hotel meal and transportation arrangements, enhanced self-service rebooking, and snacks and amenities at the gates during longer delays are just some of the measures that are being utilized to ensure that our customers' needs are being addressed. We certainly apologize to any customers that have been inconvenienced and we want you to know that our customer relations team is working nonstop to address shortfalls in our service. As we have discussed on several of our past earnings calls, we've been focused on improving our operating reliability. And we feel very confident that we're making significant operational improvements based on the performance of our regional operation which has not been affected by the labor issues at the mainline operation. For example, at our hubs, our regional performance saw a 1.5 point year-over-year improvement in on time departures, a 3.2 point in year-over-year improvement in aircraft turn performance, and 1.2 point year-over-year improvement in controllable completion factor. Thanks to the outstanding efforts of our regional team. This improved performance provides a nice control set and gives us confidence that the initiatives that we've put in place will be successful across the system once we move past these short-term challenges. Now for positive momentum. We continue to take big steps forward in creating a world-class customer experience that further differentiates American from our competitors. During the second quarter, we opened our new Flagship First Dining, Flagship Lounge, and renovated Admirals Club Lounge in Terminal D at our largest airport DFW. These enhancements are just the latest in more than $200 million investment in our premium products and services and complements our other flagship lounges at JFK, Los Angeles, Miami, and Chicago-O'Hare. In addition, during the quarter, we completed installation of our high speed Wi-Fi on our entire long-term mainline narrow-body fleet of more than 700 aircrafts. This gives American more high speed Wi-Fi than any other airlines. Satellite-based Wi-Fi allows customers to stream video without buffering or interruption upload and download files with ease and do all of this from gate-to-gate. This upgraded bandwidth ensures customers will experience an uncompromised Internet connection even if every customer chooses to access in-flight entertainment at the same time. Additionally every satellite equipped aircraft can now stream Live TV and amenity that we provide access to our customers' free-of-charge. I should also point out that American is the only U.S. airline to offer Live TV on international flights. Shifting to our network strategy. We remain focused on strengthening our network by expanding operations at our most profitable hubs. With the addition of a 100 departures in the second quarter, our DFW hub now offers more than 900 daily flights. This important milestone enables more than 9,000 one-stop travel possibilities through DFW more than any other airline hub in the world. As part of that growth, we had started service from DFW to 23 new markets including service to Dublin and Munich, and increased service to more than 80 existing markets. This growth marks the largest expansion at any hub in the United States in more than a decade. The early results are very encouraging with margins on the newly added flights coming in at or above the system average. We remain on track with our growth plan in Charlotte next year and Reagan National in 2021. Over the last year, we have also made a number of changes to our International network eliminating chronically underperforming flights and starting services to unserved markets across the world. Most of these new flights started in the middle of the second quarter and they are already producing margins at or above the system average. On the partnership side, we now have final approval from the U.S. Department of Transportation for a proposed joint business agreement with Qantas which will allow us to better serve customers' flying between the United States and Australia and New Zealand. The joint business agreement allows for commercial integration between American and Qantas delivering new routes and significant customer benefits. It will also allow an expanded coacher relationship, optimized schedules on South Pacific services, better access the T20 business carrier's network -- on each carrier's networks additional frequent flier benefits and co-location at airports. All of this is designed to better serve our customers. And just yesterday, Qantas announced new services to Chicago and San Francisco from Brisbane. We are thrilled with this news to our customers and stay tuned for more route announcements from us later this year. We also received approval from the DoT for additional service from DFW and Los Angeles to Tokyo Haneda airport. Shifting gears, our global sales and distribution team produced strong results last quarter as corporate revenue growth was in line with system revenue growth on healthy corporate demand. Our corporate volume continues to grow and further strengthened in the last six weeks of the quarter where we delivered industry-leading corporate passenger share performance without sacrificing yield. We continue to see significant growth in the small to medium business segment as evidenced by our nearly double-digit revenue growth year-over-year. We continue to see growth across our loyalty program. Existing members are engaging with us more, redemption levels -- redemption bookings are up and we continue to increase our lead population. Most importantly, we are capturing yield growth in this lead group that outpaces our system average. On co-branded credit cards, our strong trends in acquisitions, card spend, and overall account growth continued in the second quarter with record setting absolute results. We expected that growth will continue throughout 2019. All of this contributed to record setting second quarter revenue of $12 billion, up approximately 3% year-over-year. On a unit revenue basis, total revenue per available seat mile improved 3.5% year-over-year which marks the 11th consecutive quarter of positive unit revenue growth for American. We estimate that our unit revenue benefited from the MAX cancellations in the second quarter. This benefit was offset by share loss in April. We are particularly pleased with these results given the challenge we had with operational disruptions to MAX and weather. I mentioned this on our last call, but I need to say it again. In 2018, we made a big investment in our Advantage program making it more valuable to customers. We significantly increased the inventory available for redemptions in 2018, increasing the value of amounts to our customers; we are also giving our customers more flexibility to use their miles. For the second quarter, these changes had a negative impact of 0.8 units to unit revenue all of which was non-cash. We anticipate a similar impact for the remainder of the year. Normalizing for this, our passenger unit revenue increased by 4.8% in the second quarter, two points better than our legacy competitors. We delivered improved unit revenue, unit revenue across every entity. As we mentioned on previous calls, we believe we have a unique opportunity to improve load factors without eroding yields and we have been successful in that effort to execute against that opportunity. Overall load factors were up 3.2 points in the quarter on flat yields. Higher loads without compromising yields is a winning combination. We're proud of our revenue management team for their hard work and results. Domestic market strength was broad-based with improved unit revenue across every hub. As I mentioned earlier, our growth at DFW is performing as expected, notwithstanding exceptional operational and weather challenges at DFW during the quarter. We expect the domestic region to be our best performing entity in the third quarter. Atlantic unit revenue grew by 3% in spite of 1.5 points of currency headwind. International point of sale remains challenging but we successfully shifted to North American point-of-sale and grew load factor by 3.8 points. The Latin entity had the highest quarter-to-quarter improvement with unit revenue growing by 4.4% year-over-year. Brazil and Mexico were particularly strong while we faced headwinds in Argentina and the Dominican Republic. Specific unit revenue improved by half point, thanks to positive unit revenue in Japan, Hong Kong, and Australia. The pricing environment for China was soft but we were able to grow load factor while we reduced our capacity and exposure to this market. Looking forward, we expect domestic demand to remain robust. And Latin again to be the best performing international entity. We expect our third quarter year-over-year TRASM to be up 1% to 3% and our passenger revenue per ASM to be about a point better than TRASM. In conclusion, we're incredibly excited about this airline as future; the heavy lifting of integration is behind us, our large fleet investments are winding down, and our network is being optimized with high margin growth opportunities at our most profitable hubs. We recognize the need to overcome some short-term challenges but the core business is strong. And with that, we'd like to turn the call back over to the operator to begin our Q&A session.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Michael Linenberg:
Hello, hey good morning everyone. Two questions here and maybe they are both for Robert, at the beginning of the year you were targeting a billion of revenue improvement and $300 million of cost saves and with the MAX groundings and the labor disruption, how should we think about resizing those numbers as we move through the year?
Robert Isom:
Yes, thanks Michael. So when we take a look at the revenue initiatives, we set out at the front of the year, I think the best way to take a look at is some have outperformed and others, we will be able to take a benefit of in the longer-term.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay.
Robert Isom:
One that has really taken a delay is identifying of our 737 and our A321 fleet because of some of the issues that we've encountered with operational disruptions related to the work slowdown, we've had to defer some of those modification lines. We anticipate picking those back up next year and that is benefit yet to come. In terms of outperformance, some of the things that we have really emphasized certainly basic economy is producing as we had hoped and the work within our revenue management team to improve load factor performance has resulted us well. So we're seeing the $1 billion and as we take a look into the future, we're encouraged that we still have more to come. Don, do you want to add anything?
Don Casey:
Yes, I will just re-emphasize what Robert said, again, kind of understand our $1 billion in revenue initiatives and how it compares; you're going to normalize for the deferred recognition rate in FFP. When you do that revenues are 4.8% which is about two points better than our kind of legacy competitors you can see where the benefit is just in there.
Derek Kerr:
And Mike from a cost perspective, we have a lot of initiatives, all of them are on target the $300 million is in the forecast, so that’s all built in and we are realizing those. There are a few cost headwinds obviously as you have these type of disruptions but that's built into the CASM forecasts that I gave you, so that some of them are offset by that. But the initiatives that we set out for the one airline project to get a $1 billion, $300 million this year and then another $200 million in 2020 and 2021 are all on target and are built into our forecast.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay. Yes sure, it's remarkable given all your headwinds that you still manage to produce margin expansion, so well done there. Just my second to Robert on the JBA with Qantas. I recall a few years back when you announced the joint venture or JBA with Japan Airlines at the time you did provide a revenue size. At that point in time when it was launched, I think it was about a $1.05 billion of revenue between you and JAL and subsequently my sense is that you've built upon that even today you highlighted some of the positive trends out of Japan. I'm sure that's helping. Can you give us a sense or magnitude of where we are from a revenue base as a starting point with Qantas? Just trying to size that joint business agreement, what our baseline is. Any color on that would be great. Thank you.
Robert Isom:
Mike, it's the current size there is $1.5 billion and we don't -- we're really not sizing yet publicly the potential benefits but we do expect that this is going to be something that's positive overall. And I'm pleased with hearing of some new markets. And I would anticipate that we have more to add to that in the coming months.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brandon Oglenski of Barclays. Your line is open.
Matt Wisniewski:
Hi good morning. This is actually Matt Wisniewski on for Brandon. Thanks for taking my question. Really wanted just to expand upon the network strategy a little bit more, said it's little bit early and the DFW expansion, how should we kind of think about the improvements coming through and when would we see ultimately kind of some of the benefits hitting at the P&L?
Robert Isom:
Well I will just start. We're just now getting into the real upsizing of DFW which is encouraging. So you're seeing some of the benefits already but the whole run rate of that is going to be as we progress throughout the year. As we take a look forward as I mentioned 2020, we anticipate our growth focus to be on Charlotte and so that will ramp up over the first part of next year. And then from there it's Reagan National after that in 2021. So Don or Doug, do you want to give any more color.
Don Casey:
I will just say this is really just the beginning. We just started ramping up the DFW into 2Q. And we won't see the full benefit of that until we hit the third quarter. That'll obviously extend and annualize as we head into 2020 at which point we'll also be adding Charlotte which will run into 2021 and we will have an opportunity to upgauge DCA. So we have a lot of really high quality capacity network opportunities looking out for the next few years.
Doug Parker:
And Matt it's Doug. I mean as Robert said in his opening remarks, the early results here are really encouraging, these markets that we have added out of Dallas as Robert said are coming in at or above system average margins as a new startup. Usually your marginal growth doesn't come in above average margins in this case they do. That just give us more encouragement to us, there's more -- there's one what we -- we believe will happen is indeed happening and two there's more of this we can do and we're looking forward to doing more as we go forward.
Matt Wisniewski:
Okay, great. And then just as a quick follow-up specific capacity was down quite meaningfully this quarter and I would expect, I thought kind of anticipated revenues to kind of be more beneficial because of that. Can you provide a little more color of what’s going on in the Pacific region?
Don Casey:
Sure, it’s Don. I'll cover that. We did that slightly positive unit revenue in the Pacific. Capacity reductions we had was the reduction of flying to China, out of Chicago, Shanghai and Beijing. We did see actually positive unit revenue growth in Hong Kong, Japan, also in Australia with more opportunities coming forward at Qantas. The China market was soft. It was our weakest performing market in the Pacific. We had about a point and a half of currency headwind as well in the Pacific as we went into the third quarter. And I think we're pretty happy that we kind of reduced our exposure to China because that's really where we're seeing some softness particularly in China upon the sell pricing where we see pretty weak pricing environment right now.
Doug Parker:
And hi Matt, Doug again. So also thanks for asking that question, because it gives us chance to tell more about this. Given the kind of capacity reduction we're talking about here I think it's hard for anyone certainly for those of you who aren't here in the airlines every day to try and estimate what kind of impact that would have between revenue per ASM versus cost per ASM. And indeed when we raised our guidance a couple of weeks ago at least a number of reports suggested well, really -- it's unlike a cost story that we've done a better job of keeping our cost in check with some expected and our revenues came out in line. The reality at least for those of us who are watching results come in, the positive surprises were on revenue, not on cost again not that any of you should be able to figure that out on your own because it is such a different way this happens but indeed when our capacity is going down because we're having to -- because we're canceling flights very close in. What happens then is you're not able to particularly in the peak we're not able to protect all that revenue. So 1.5% decline in capacity does not result in a 1.5% increase in revenue per ASM or anything close to it. And you're not able and it's pretty difficult to go find the marginal revenues or the lower revenue per ASM as you do that. So at any rate that's what we experienced as the quarter came through as even though ASMs were down the fact that our earnings came out better than we thought, it was to us a revenue surprise not a cost surprise.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Helane Becker of Cowen. Your line is open.
Helane Becker:
Thanks very much, operator. Hi everybody and thank you very much for your time. I have two questions. My first question is what percent of your fleet do you normally replace every year and how does this year compare to a normal year?
Derek Kerr:
I wouldn't say percent but we replaced somewhere. It's been a lot more over the past few years. We've taken deliveries of over 100 aircraft a year for many years in a row since we've gotten here for about five years. This year we're replacing about 65. Next year will be about 61 and that includes regional also. So the steady state would be somewhere between 40 and 50 if you cap a -- the average age where it is. So I think that's kind of where we're at. And so when we talk about aircraft CapEx going forward it comes down significantly in 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, steady state would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 to 50 aircraft a year when you get out into the 2025 to 2030 range.
Doug Parker:
Helane, a good way for us to again make the point, it's a hard question for us because there is no normal. There certainly hasn't been since the merger as Derek said we've been bringing in 85 to 100 airplanes each year and then retiring a similar amount in this by far the most aggressive modernization of a commercial airline fleet in the history of commercial aviation. So that has been the number and that's now largely behind us. So as we've been doing that also the CapEx we've had to put into integration and the CapEx that we put into all the improvements that have been needed to make into our airline that tapers not as strong enough. That comes down significantly as Derek said in the coming years both aircraft CapEx and in some of the non-aircraft CapEx. So we get the benefits of all that investment -- amount of investment in the quarter.
Helane Becker :
Okay. And then, so then to follow that up the $1 billion dollars in debt pay down that I think Derek mentioned, should we think about that as accelerating through the next five or seven years as your kind of steady state declines from 100 aircraft to 50 aircraft?
Derek Kerr:
From a debt pay down perspective, we have our normal debt pay down schedule which is somewhere between $3 billion a year over the next few years, so that pay down does not accelerate. I think there are pay down of WTCs and other debts that we have. But as you look at our pay down schedule from in 2019, we'll pay off $3.7 billion of debt in 2020, we have $2.7 billion due, 2021 we have $4.2 billion due. So it runs around $3 billion to $4 billion of debt that's paid off. That scheduled debt pay downs that go along with the pension payments but that's all in the numbers that Doug talked about when we talk about free cash flow that's all assumed that those debt payments are paid in each one of those years and that we pay off debt as it comes due.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Hunter Keay of Wolfe Research. Your line is open.
Hunter Keay:
Thanks. Good morning everybody. A question about that comment you made about the market share loss in April. Can you give me some color on that comment what you mean by that? Where was it? What type of share was it? And how do you get that back?
Don Casey:
Sure, Hunter, it’s Don. When we had ended up grounding the MAX, there was a lot of schedule uncertainty as to how long this was going to last and how we're going to move aircraft around to try and cover this. And so during that period sort of really starting mid-March through what the third week in April, we did see close in bookings and close-in bookings particularly for corporate travel lag, right. So we definitely lost share. We definitely saw some book away during that time period to our competitors. That did bounce back by the time we got through April and in fact, if you look at the last six weeks of our kind of corporate share performance, we are number one in the industry in terms of corporate share. So that's really complete bounce back for us. But it was entirely just a response to schedule uncertainty, if you wanted to get your meeting during that time period sometimes people are choosing not to fly, so they weren't sure whether they're going to change our scheduling.
Hunter Keay:
Okay, fair enough. Thank you, Don. And then, Doug, when you think about the relationship between employees buying in reliable operations and consistent cost performance that's arguably the three areas that you guys need to show the most improvement. And if we assume all three of those things kind of feed into one another which order do they have to get fixed and how do you get started with the first one?
Doug Parker:
Employee buying in and then reverse.
Hunter Keay:
Either way I mean you can define in any order you want. So it's buy in operations and just good cost performance, so like which one has to start first and which one sort of manifest into the other two getting better and how do you start it?
Doug Parker:
Yes. I will start on -- I'm not exactly sure I'd characterize it that way but I'd love to talk about the employee perspective, you're getting again I mean first of all let me just go to the operations. In this -- we as a company and under Robert's leadership have made great strides in our operations reliability from the time emerging airlines improving every year up until 2018, we had a setback last summer unrelated -- related primarily to things like six engines, things we tried to do our best to fly through and didn't make change to the schedule and in retrospect, we realized that we were kind of letting the operation to be the buffer not something go. In retrospect we would have made the same decision going forward. So in response to that, we put in place again with Robert's leadership, David Seymour's leadership, Carey’s leadership a huge operational reliability improvement plan for 2019. And again we did those things that made a large difference in our ability to manage through what we're dealing with now. So we feel really good about where we are in terms of operational reliability but for, what we're dealing with at the current time which is a huge increase in the aircraft out of service to begin the day. That when we're as we are today having to start the day with so many airplanes -- more airplanes out of service than we have spares. By definition that means you're starting the day by canceling some flights and by definition that means it's not going to be a particularly good operating reliability. So that's the situation with operational reliability. Not to say there's not more we can do and won't do to improve it. But once that issue -- once that issue is removed, I'll say it this way we believe it will work for that issue. We would be running the best airline in the history of American Airlines which was our goal for this year. And all the data that we have supports that. As Robert noted, we're seeing that on the regional side where we don't have this issue. So operational reliability, I feel extremely good about where we are and our trajectory going forward. We do need to get to the near-term issue. So as it relates to culture anyway I think I know -- I guess you're getting out or maybe not, if it's not you tell me. But anyway, it's a fair question and thanks for asking how what we're going through relates to all the work we have underway on cultural transformation. I will tell you the cultural initiatives that we've put in place since the time of the merger. And again remember back when we put these two airlines together five-and-a-half years ago, how big an issue that was particularly given the history of American Airlines and those things are working, we've made huge strides thanks to really good leadership. The people that I get to work with, who led our team, who every time that I most -- when I go out and talk to team members prior to the merger, it was all about this company doesn't care about me. Now as we go out and talk to people, we still have issues but they're rarely that actually they aren't that. To the extent, their issues they're all about desire for more tools to do the job, the way they know how to do it to take care of their customers which is exactly where you'd like the team. And exactly what our job is to deliver to them. So look there's more to do there with cultural transformation obviously takes some time, it takes a lot of time. But we're really pleased with the progress we've made to-date and we'll continue to make in the future. Our objective here is to make culture a competitive advantage not just to improve the culture, not just to transform it from what wasn't a very strong one to one is really strong but to make it so strong that people actually prefer to fly American. That's not -- that's not -- we're not there yet. That's aspirational and longer-term objective. One we are committed to and one that we think is best for our shareholders. So that work continues but really happy with the progress. I think again fair to ask, if that's the case and why are you going to this issue right now to which side -- to which I would tell you look, while that culture work goes on, there's no change the fact that this is a highly unionized airline and union negotiations will continue to be union negotiations and some of them we haven't even gotten through the first one yet. And this is one amazingly enough, this is we're still working on joint collective bargaining agreement with this Union and we hopefully to get that done. We obviously get them done quite quickly with all of our other workers. And indeed we're beginning negotiations on contracts that we signed five years ago JVs with pilots and flight attendants today. So it's a source of frustration for sure. And but look this is a different animal one that we're still trying to work through. But unlike the other contracts we work through, we're dealing with two Unions here chose to form one Union and sign association partnership. We're dealing with international Unions where the primary decision makers aren't even American Airlines team members. So the culture doesn't make that much of a difference as far as they're concerned. So look we will work through this, we'll get through a contract and that's the real goal here of course is to make sure we get a contract in place when we do that. We're going to have a long-term contract with our outstanding mechanics and fleet service team members. That's going to be industry-leading and that will be a good day. So that'll help significantly but we need to get through this joint agreement with this group. And right now we haven’t been able to get through that. I will add I'm sorry for the long answer but I will add on that front, certainly with the way we get into a joint collective bargaining agreement is to get back to talking to each other. These negotiations are under the control of the National Mediation Board at this time which is a good thing; the bad thing is the National Mediation Board hasn't called a negotiating session since April because of that. You can ask them why but the fact is they haven't. And as a result we haven't -- we haven't had talks good news as we just heard last night from the NMB, they'd like to have a status conference with all of us on August 15th. That's really good news. By that time we think we'll probably have a permanent injunction in place which will help with what we're dealing with. The goal of this is not to have people coming to work and doing their jobs because the goal is we have people coming to work and doing their jobs because we are excited about the company and the future of the company. And to do that we need to get a contract in place. We're trying to do that. We're working extremely hard at it and I know that we'll get one. I can't tell you exactly when we will get to a contract and this issue that we're dealing with today will be behind us.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI. Your line is open.
Doug Parker:
Hi Duane.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey thanks, good morning. Sorry if I missed it in your prepared remarks but when do you expect a decision on the injunction?
Doug Parker:
Steve Johnson?
Steve Johnson:
Hi, you never know for sure but my guess would be late next week or early the week after that.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thank you. And then just as a follow-up as you think about this cost of the MAX grounding which you've estimated at $400 million relative to perhaps your future aircraft order book value of about $3.5 billion, is the right way to think about potential compensation as a discount to that future value to maybe 10% to 12% discount on your existing order book as we sit here today?
Doug Parker:
We wouldn't encourage you to think about it in anyway because we don't know; we haven't had any discussions with our partners at Boeing about the details of how this compensation might occur. We saw as I know you did, they satisfied they put a reserve aside. We've had high level conversations with the highest levels of Boeing about what our expectations are but we haven't had any detailed conversations about how those expectations will be met.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Dan McKenzie of Buckingham Research. Your line is open.
Dan McKenzie:
Hey thanks. Good morning. Healthy corporate demand that's strengthened the last six weeks in the quarter despite some severe operational disruptions that's a surprise. But we know there's a direct link between business travel and operations. So the idea book away when operations are bad. So the question is I wonder if you can elaborate on any book away challenges in the third quarter outlook, how they might be a headwind or an opportunity at some point here and does the current outlook embed some book away?
Doug Parker:
Thanks. I will let Dan give you the specifics but again I just want to reiterate just what Robert said in his comments. While this is going on our team is doing really, really great work to make sure while we have operational disruption. It's not felt nearly to a degree it would be otherwise by our customers first and foremost is once we realize that this was well a near-term issue, one that was going to be going on for a matter of weeks and months, we begun the process and that continues not waiting until the day of to do cancellations but do them several days in advance that allows us to reaccommodate customers again not the best thing you want to do but much better than having customers find that their travel has been disrupted on the day of the airport. So that makes a big difference and then as we do that particularly as it relates and Robert trying to tell more about this probably isn't reached through our most frequent fliers making sure that they are having -- they are having the least impact of all and to the extent they are, they know that the company is reaching out to them. So we're working really hard on those issues. Don, is there anything in terms of?
Don Casey:
Yes, I will just add that. We have actually been tracking completion factor for our corporate customers which is we have been canceling flights but kind of which flights we are cancelling relative to that kind of travel patterns of our corporate customers on a year-over-year basis. There has not been a very material change in the completion factor for corporate customers. So we've done a good job of figuring out kind of what to cancel as it pertains to the outlook, we aren't really seeing anything right now that would cause any book away and we expect our performance for domestic in the third quarter to be pretty similar maybe even a touch better than it was in the second quarter.
Derek Kerr:
I'll just give a shout out to our sales team and our customer relations team as well with any issues; we have opened up new means of communicating to ensure that any issues are addressed. And I've also stepped up our efforts to be out there with our corporate clients and that includes our Head of Sales Allison Taylor and myself and a number of the other executives here. So we're hearing firsthand of where the issues as we can get in front of them whenever possible.
Dan McKenzie:
Very good. Good job, second question here is we do have a tale of two economies. Obviously, we've got the industrial which is slowing and the consumer which is strong and we've seen this in prior years as well and I guess I'm just wondering if you can talk about how you think one affecting the other at some point if they do, what are the key metrics that give you confidence that demand can continue to remain firm here and at this point are you sort of revising any implicit fourth quarter revenue assumptions?
Don Casey:
Again if you don’t look at kind of what's been happening, right. We've seen some softness right in international fund sales, right. Some of that's currency. Some of that's economy. But the domestic market has remained very robust. We've been able to backfill really any international shortfalls with higher yielding domestic originating business. And we've been able to successfully grow our load factor maturely, we are up actually two points overall in the second quarter and we're up really in every entity. As we look forward, I mean we're actually booked ahead as we look forward into future months and we're not seeing really anything that wouldn't make us concerned at this point around continued strength in domestic demand.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker with JPMorgan. Your line is open.
Jamie Baker:
Hey good morning everybody. Most of my questions have been asked and well answered. So one from me, I know it's the view of your aviators that some of the reliability issues are related to scheduling practices and maybe some IP deficiencies. This is a difficult one for me to reconcile with the data that I have access to. So I guess the question is whether you believe, are you extracting all the potential efficiency of the current pilot contract and whether there is some IP investment that does need to be made if so what might that cost?
Derek Kerr:
So Jamie thanks for the question. That's the good news at least for all of us in this, there is I still believe a tremendous upside so in our operation. So while we are dealing with the mechanic slowdown in weather anomalies, and you name it we're finally getting the chance to run an integrated airline and as we do that with all of our systems, we're able to move past the point of just integration to taking a look at what the next generation of systems are. So when we take a look at scheduling practices, we know that there are potential efficiencies that we can bring about that potentially saves on flight times. We know that for our pilots and flight attendants that there are ways that we can meet their needs in actually creating more lifestyle, improved schedules that should also reduce the impact of redundancies and reserve levels. And we know that there's a lot more work that we can do on aircraft routing as well now that we have the system all in one place. And don't forget even when it comes to maintenance operations, we still are operating with a couple of different systems out there. So restricting ourselves in some way, so more upside is how I view things and thanks for bringing it up because I think the opportunity for investment is good and the payoff will be nice when we get to it.
Jamie Baker:
Any guess on timing and thank you very much.
Derek Kerr:
So in terms of timing, 2020 will be a year in which we have our eyes firmly on operations improvement especially in regard to efficiency. So it's going to be over the next few years. There are some larger longer-term issues in terms of flight management systems and crew scheduling systems where we'll have to move past some of the legacy systems and think about next-generation. But there's many improvements we can make along the way and Maya do you want to add any here?
Maya Leibman:
No, I think we are always working on improving our systems. It's just an ongoing aspect of what we do.
Jamie Baker:
Okay, thank you.
Derek Kerr:
The good news for us is we have a lot of upside here.
Operator:
Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Kevin Crissey of Citigroup. Your line is open.
Kevin Crissey:
Hey good morning everybody. Thank you for the time. Maybe if I could ask you to fast forward past this week, we've surpassed this being the MAX, the mechanics let's look out whether it'd be 2020 or 2021 but let's just if we can start with 2020 not looking for specific guidance by any stretch at all but broad strokes as to what all the changes in 2019 does to your 2020 capacity cost structure, should we see the kind of the inverse of the negative impacts in 2019 as it relates to 2020 on a year-over-year basis. How should we think about that?
Doug Parker:
Well without giving any guidance to you guys we haven't -- we're not prepared to give just yet. On a global basis and I think in terms of what it means for growth next year, it's certainly two things going on one you have growth being stifled this year for these issues that won't. And then on top of that, we've told you the growth that we've put in place, the growth that we plan to put in place is doing exceptionally well. So you should expect us to continue along that. So this will be -- will certainly be a growing airline as we move into 2020. And then what that means again setting aside economic issues that may or may not happen, what it means for us, we think is the ability to certainly view the industry is probably the best way to think about it because who knows what happens to global issues vis-à-vis the industry and now we think as that happens for all the reasons, we've talked for a lot of the reason we talked about which is upside that Robert is talking about, I think we would hope that on that growth, you'd see our unit revenues improve at a rate that's greater even than the industry. And our cost as Derek has described staying well in check. And that should result in things like we would hope margin improvement and certainly improve -- more improvement than the group in total. And If I'm remotely right about that because of what they're striving in terms of our CapEx profile that that results in real cash flow generation and certainly more than I think you'll see from our competitors.
Kevin Crissey:
Yes, thank you for that. And we are obviously looking for a good CASM next year; I've been a little hopeful that it would be this year. Wasn't sure about next year, this maybe creates the opportunity for that. Go ahead, I'm sorry.
Doug Parker:
More to come on that, we agree.
Kevin Crissey:
Okay, thank you. And maybe for Don, can you talk about the transatlantic outlook. There's been some commentary about it being softer. Maybe I missed it in the prepared remarks or during Q&A and if it is softer as we look to Q3 and beyond, why that's the case?
Don Casey:
Sure. I guess here is the way I would describe it. We've seen some softness again in Europe point-of-sale in terms of both demand and yields. Again the domestic markets been strong. We've been able to backfill that in growing unit revenue. Again we were up 3% in the second quarter and that's what one and half points of currency headwind. Third quarter, we don't have quite as much headroom in the load factor side year-over-year. But if you go and look out into the fourth quarter on the Atlantic industry capacity is growing at the lowest rate since it hasn't since 2012. So we are really seeing kind of moderating and lower industry capacity. And in particular, the capacity that's coming out of the Atlantic as we head into the fall and winter is really low cost carrier, low price carriers right that are taking the capacity out. So I think the Atlantic although it's -- we see softness in Europe point-of-sale. I think the capacity profile as we move forward is actually quite positive and we would expect that to start to translate into improved yields in the economy cabin as we head into the next winter.
Kevin Crissey:
Excellent. Thanks. And if I could sneak in one more with -- you haven't talked about Miami. When we look at the data, the South Florida region looks soft internationally. Is that kind of an area of weakness for you? You talked a lot about regions that were above system average. I assume that might be one that might be below?
Don Casey:
No actually been quite good for us. Actually for us Miami is our gateway to Latin America. Brazil was very, very strong, Caribbean was good, Mexico was very, very strong. We had over 20% revenue growth in Mexico. And so our profile in Miami actually is -- actually we're quite encouraged by Miami. And it was actually our best performing unit revenue in the third quarter or second quarter.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Okay. And our first question from the media comes from Mary Schlangenstein of Bloomberg News. Your line is open.
Mary Schlangenstein:
I wanted to see Don, you've been talking a lot about demand but can you talk a little bit more in detail about domestic demand whether you're surprised at how it's held up and specifically what you think is fueling that ongoing strong demand?
Don Casey:
I mean, domestic demand has been strong now for a long time, right. This is something that just happened overnight. And as I mentioned earlier when we look at going forward, we expect that we're seeing nothing right off the trend line that we've seen for domestic. So again I don't think we can type anything, kind any recency in terms of anything that's happened domestic has been in this place now for quite a while and then there's nothing again that we see that's going to take us off this trend line.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay. And if I can also ask about the A321neo delays, JetBlue talked this week about hearing of additional delays from Airbus. And can you talk about where you guys are at. How many planes you've had delayed and if there have been any additional either time delays or aircraft delays for you?
Derek Kerr:
Mary, this is Derek. We have not heard of any additional delays. We had conversations with Airbus probably a month ago and we looked at the schedule and got those deliveries all set up as part of the XLR negotiations. So that's been set. I haven't heard of any further delays at this point in time but we'll check back in with Airbus after hearing those conversations to make sure that our aircraft are as planned from our XLR negotiations where we re-spread them a little bit from the original delivery dates.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay. Can you say how many A321neos are involved?
Derek Kerr:
It's more like there's about I think there was five to 10 that just got delayed and then they just pushed the whole schedule out a little bit. So somewhere in that range or the amount that have been delayed but what we did is as part of our negotiations, is just re-spread them to put them in order where Airbus can deliver and we can plan a little bit better.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question is from the line of Chris [indiscernible] from CBS News. Your line is open.
Unidentified Analyst:
Guys thanks for the time today. Real quick, can you talk about you mentioned that you're having to cancel some flights in [indiscernible]?
Doug Parker:
Hi Chris, we completely lost you.
Unidentified Analyst:
I was asking how many flights you had to cancel because the mechanics issue if you have added daily number we’ve seen where you are to that in addition to the MAX?
Don Casey:
Chris, so what I tell you is as Doug mentioned every morning we're seeing a lot of more aircraft out of service than had been planned and we're taking actions to address that. So I can't give you a specific number everyday but it's certainly been impactful, the operation in some days we've gotten it most days we were way in front of it. So that we're addressing customers' needs. But that can be in the number -- it can be in the dozens of flights a day.
Unidentified Analyst:
Okay. And when you look at correctly the MAX Southwest puts it back in January. How confident are you in November timeline. Obviously confident enough you didn't change it but did you see that as realistic before the holidays. Or you have some level of expectation that lingers into January?
Don Casey:
We're staying in close contact with both Boeing and the FAA. And I think is up to speed as anybody and as matter of fact Boeing had their earnings call yesterday and I was in touch with their team last night afterwards. So from what we heard a month or so ago we really haven't -- we don't have any new information leads us to make changes. But we're staying close and we'll certainly assess based on what we know today, we should be able to hit the timeline of being back up in November.
Doug Parker:
We will continue to reassess as we move forward. Thanks.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Allison [indiscernible] of Wall Street Journal. Your line is open.
Unidentified Analyst:
Thanks. I was curious if you could say whether you've had any -- done any additional work looking at how customers are feeling about the MAX right now. Do you have the sense that sentiment has evolved one way or the other as the grounding instruction?
Doug Parker:
Allison we don't really have any answer to that directly that question is no, we don't have anything specific to give you any insight. Certainly what we know is this, when the FAA declares that this aircraft is safe to fly, it will be safe to fly and when American pilots declare that they are comfortable flying, it will fly. And what I know is our customers will view those two things as extremely important in their view about whether or not the airplane is safe to fly. And so until that time, I'm certain there any customer survey data would show some concerns. I believe once we get to that point those will be largely mitigated and certainly well over time but nothing that we can tell you specifically today about where they are.
Unidentified Analyst:
Got it, thanks. And I guess is there anything you're hoping from Boeing in terms of sort of like rehabilitating its brand or restoring trust and confidence in aircraft. Is there anything you're hoping they'll do on that front?
Doug Parker:
Again what is most important to us is that the airplane has been recertified and because the FAA has come to the conclusion that everything that led them to ground the aircraft has been mitigated. When that happens and our pilots believe they are adequately trained to fly the aircraft and has now -- has been certified. That's what we are focused upon and we believe those two set of events more than anything else will make the difference in our consumer attitudes about the aircraft itself.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of David Koenig of The Associated Press. Your line is open.
David Koenig:
Hi, good morning. I'm sorry. I'm going to probably kick the same dead horse that Allison was kicking. But let me put it another way. Well first of all, Doug, if you could explain a little bit more you said that you had some conversations with the highest levels of Boeing about what your expectations are relating to compensation. Can you say that's new to [indiscernible] or something less than that. If it's Robert talking to somebody or whatever. And then secondly what's your campaign going to be to convince passengers to get on the plane beyond FAA and your pilot showing confidence in the plane what are you going to do?
Doug Parker:
David, no further information on who's talking to who. Anyway we have a great relationship with Boeing and they're a great partner and we didn’t suspect they will continue to be great partners as we work through all of this. We certainly have been today. So that's where we are with as it relates to Boeing and again --
Robert Isom:
And Dave, I just say that one piece of planning that I think is noteworthy is that, we anticipate sometime between the aircraft being ungrounded and when we actually put the aircraft into commercial service where our pilots and flight attendants will get reacquainted with the aircraft and will actually be flying some level of our team members around. And so I think that that is going to be helpful. But as Doug has said the biggest thing is having our pilots and flight attendants and team all behind this and ultimately flying this aircraft is going to be something that is going to be a big part of our fleet. And we look forward to taking advantage of all the capabilities that it offers once it's recertified.
David Koenig:
Are you going to have any kind of advertising campaign though?
Robert Isom:
We don't anticipate that at this time. Again I think the biggest thing is being able to provide really comfortable and certainly reliable service and that's what when this aircraft is recertified and our team members are out behind it. And I think that that will be something that is a hallmark of this aircraft going forward.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Leslie Josephs of CNBC. Your line is open.
Leslie Josephs:
Hi good morning everybody. Just a question on hiring Southwest talks about some issues with hiring pilots because of the 737 MAX grounding and some promotion classes. Are you seeing anything similar with that?
Robert Isom:
No. The good news is that American is a fantastic place to work and we have really for all categories of our team members. We have people that want to join the team and we're certainly monitoring the pilot sourcing for our regional carriers. But we feel really confident there as well that we have the scheduling practices and compensation tools to be able to track the team members that we need.
Leslie Josephs:
Okay. And just one follow-up for passengers who maybe don't want to fly the MAX once it returns or maybe wait a few months for it to fly safely. Is there any way that they can get out of those reservations or without paying a change fee or cancellation fee; is that something you're looking at this from some of the other airlines as well?
Robert Isom:
Like others we will be sure to make the appropriate accommodations but over the long run, this is an aircraft that is going to be out in service and flying well and we anticipate that everybody's needs to be taken care of.
Operator:
Thank you. And this does conclude our question-and-answer session for today. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Doug Parker for the closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
Excellent. Thanks everybody. Thanks for your interest and thanks for sticking with us through this. Any further questions let either Corporate Communications or Investor Relations now. Thanks for your time. Bye.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.
Operator:
Good day, ladies and gentleman. And welcome to the American Airlines First Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, today’s conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Dan Cravens, Managing Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Dan Cravens:
Good morning, everyone. And welcome to the American Airlines Group's first quarter 2019 earnings conference call. With us in the room this morning is Doug Parker, Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Finance Officer. Also in the room for our question-and-answer session are several of our senior exes, including Maya Leibman, Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs, Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications and Don Casey, our Senior Vice President of Revenue Management. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the first quarter and provide some additional information on our 2019 guidance for the remainder of the year. Robert will then follow with commentary on the operational performance and revenue environment. And then, after we hear from those comments, we'll open the call for analysts' questions, and then lastly questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please do limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecast or capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning in our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2019. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as pre-tax profit and CASM, excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release and that can also be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will also be archived on the website, the information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us. At this point, I’d like to the turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Dan. And thank you all for being on the line. I need to start by thanking our 130,000 team members for the outstanding job they did of taking care of our customers and each other during some really difficult circumstances. Robert, we'll talk more about disruption. The 737 MAX issue is caused to our customers and team members, but our team has responded remarkably and our customers and our shareholders are the beneficiaries of that work, so we are extremely grateful. As your earnings we announced this morning pre-tax results from the quarter of $314 million in profits ex specials, which is $0.52 a share. As we head into or begin to prepare for the peak summer travel season, the fundamentals of our business remain strong, demand for our product is high. Our near-term forecast though has been up - has been affected by the 737 MAX grounding, which we currently estimate will negatively impact. Our 2019 pre-tax results by approximately $350 million and that assumes they were - they are flying as we currently have them scheduled again by August 19. And the recent bounceback in oil prices hasn't helped either. Our current estimate for 2019 fuel expense is approximately $650 million higher than it was when we spoke on this call just three months ago. But despite these challenges, we're still - anticipate our 2019 EPS to increase approximately 10% versus 2018. And as we look to 2020 and beyond we anticipate our free cash flow for production will increase significantly, as our historic fleet replacement program winds down. So we're really bullish on American Airlines and on AAL as ever is - evidence in the quarter by us purchasing approximately $600 million of American Airlines equity. So with that intro, I am going to turn it over to Derek to go through a lot more the numbers and then Robert will take you through more analysis as well. Derek?
Derek Kerr:
Great. Thanks, Doug. Good morning everyone. And before I begin I'd like to recognize our team also who did a great job taking care of our customers during the quarter despite a number of challenges, including a government shut down, challenging storms at are largest hubs and obviously the grounding of our 737 MAX fleet, dealing with these issues has not been easy and they’ve done it with professionalism and commitment. So from all of us, thank you for all of your efforts. We filed our first quarter 2019 earnings press release this morning, excluding net special items we reported a first quarter net profit of $237 million, this is versus $353 million in the first quarter of 2018. Our diluted earnings per share, excluding special items in the first quarter was $0.52 per share, down from $0.74 cents per share in the first quarter of 2018. Our first quarter 2019 pre-tax profit excluding net special items was $314 million resulting in a pre-tax margin of 3%. Before I give more details on our financial performance, I'd like to provide an update on our fleet. As you are aware on March 7, 2019 we announced the unplanned removal of 14 737 800 aircraft from service for remediation work, following the installation of new aircraft interiors, resulting in the cancellation of approximately 940 flights in the quarter. Work on these aircraft has been completed and all aircraft have been returned to service. In addition on March 13th, 2019 the FAA grounded all U.S. registered Boeing 737 MAX aircraft. Our fleet currently includes 24 Boeing Max 8 aircraft with an additional 76 aircraft on order. As a result of the grounding we canceled approximately 12 hundred flights in the first quarter. In aggregate we estimate that these groundings - grounded aircraft and associated flight cancellations negatively impacted first quarter pre-tax income by approximately $80 million, 50 of that million is attributed to the MAX. We have now removed all 737 MAX flying from our schedule through August 19th resulting in the cancellation of approximately 115 flights per day or approximately 2% percent of debate daily capacity during the summer period. Although these aircraft represent a small portion of the company's total fleet, the financial impact is disproportionate as most of the revenue from the cancellations is lost, while the vast majority of the costs remain in place. In total, we presently estimate that 737 MAX cancellations which we assume right now will extend only through August 19th to impact our 2019 pre-tax earnings by approximately $350 million dollars. Despite the challenges of our fleet, our total revenues were a record for the first quarter at $10.6 billion or a 1.8% increase over the first quarter of 2018. Our total RASM was up for the 10th consecutive quarter as RASM increased 0.5% to $15.87, also a record for the first quarter. This revenue growth was driven in part by the continued success of our basic and premium economy products, as well as initiatives to drive higher load factors in the shoulder periods, all of which helped grow passenger revenues by 1.95 to $9.7 billion in the first quarter. Our cargo yields grew by 5.5% for the quarter, but a reduction in available cargo capacity due to reductions in our flying to China and Latin America meant that cargo revenues were down 4% to $218 million. Our loyalty program continues to drive revenue growth and other revenues were higher by 1.9% to $708 million for the quarter on higher card acquisitions. Total operating expenses in the first quarter of 2019 were $10.2 billion, up 2 percent when fuel and special items are excluded, our unit costs increase in the first quarter by 2.7% compared to 2018, due primarily to increased maintenance expense, contractual increases in salaries and benefits, facility rents and depreciation and amortization. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with approximately $7.2 billion in total available liquidity, so far this year our treasury team has completed a number of transactions, including securing financing for 30 new aircraft through mortgage and sale leaseback transactions. With the exception - with the exception of three regional aircraft delivering in the fourth quarter we have committed financing for all aircraft deliveries through 2019 and we have committed financing for 25 of our 2020 deliveries. We continue to evaluate financing options for our remaining mainline and regional aircraft deliveries. We made contributions of $364 million to our defined benefit pension plans in the first quarter for 2019 we still expect total contributions for the year to be approximately $800 million. Driven by strong asset performance in the first quarter we estimated that the funding status of our plans has improved by over $300 million as of March 31 compared to year end or approximately 380 basis points. In the first quarter, our debt including pensions continued to decline driven by contributions to our pension plans and through debt amortization. We continue to expect that our 2019 year end debt – were compared to year in 2018. As the elevated CapEx associated with our re-fleeting [ph] program ends after this year, we expect this trend to continue for the foreseeable future. We remain committed to returning cash above our target liquidity to shareholders, as market conditions merit. During the first quarter we repurchased 16.7 million shares for $600 million bringing our share count to 444 million, a 41% decline in the share count since the merger in 2013. Our available authorization for stock buybacks is now 1.1 billion and expires at the end of 2020. We filed our investor update this morning, which include our guidance for the second quarter and full year 2019 Due to the ongoing impact of the grounding of our MAX fleet, we now anticipate capacity growth of approximately 2.5% for the full year and approximately 0.7% in the second quarter. While lower than our original plan this capacity growth will still allow us to fully execute our growth plans at our DFW hub which will be the primary driver of our ASM growth for the rest of the year. For the full year we now expect that our 2019 cost per ASM, excluding fuel special items and new labor deals will grow by approximately 2.5%, driven primarily by increases in maintenance expenses, higher regional costs due to volume of flying, higher airport rent expense and contractual salary and benefit increases. This 50 basis point increase from previous gains is solely due to the reduction in ASM growth that I mentioned earlier. Due to lower ASMs in the second and third quarters, we now expect that our CASM will increase by approximately 4.5% in a - in the in the second quarter with growth of approximately 3% in the third quarter, fourth quarter guidance remains unchanged at approximately a 0.5%. Fuel price increases - increased sharply during the first quarter of 2019. We are forecasting that our average fuel price will be between $2.14 and $2.19 per gallon for the second quarter of 2019 and $2.13 to $2.18 for the full year. Our anticipated consolidated fuel expense for the full year is now approximately $650 million dollars higher than our expectations at the start of the year. For revenue we expect that our total revenue per ASM will grow by between 1% and 3% in the second quarter. Robert will provide more detail on the revenue environment in his remarks. But given the cost guidance I outlined above, we expect that our second quarter pre-tax margin, excluding that special items will be between 7% and 8 – 7% and 9%. Had we not had the impact of the mass cancellations on the second quarter, we would have forecasted year over year margin expansion. Due to the impact of the grounding of our MAX, which is fleet - which is about $0.60 per diluted share and the significant increase in fuel expense for the full year which is about a $1.25 per share, we now anticipate that are our earnings per diluted share excluding special items will be between $4 and $6 per share in 2019, an increase of approximately 10% at the midpoint over our 2018 adjusted earnings per share. We still anticipate that we will see margins expansion in the back half of the year. We continue to anticipate an incremental $1 billion in revenue improvements and $300 million in cost reductions from a one airline cost initiatives in 2019. However with fuel expenses where it is currently forecasted for the remainder of the year we plan to take another look at all of our initiatives and our growth plan – at our planned growth in the second half of the year in 2020. We have revised our expectations for aircraft CapEx in 2019 which now anticipate it will be $2.7 billion, down from $3 billion in previous guidance, due primarily to the late delivery of 5 A321 neo aircraft that will now be received in 2020. As a result of the delay of the neo deliveries into 2020, total CapEx will now expect it to be $4.4 billion in 2019, $3.6 billion in 2020 and remain unchanged in 2021 at $2.2 billion. So far 2019 has presented some unexpected challenges, but our team has responded admirably to take care of our customers and each other. We are excited by the opportunities we have to grow our business for the rest of 2019 and beyond. And we look forward to executing on all of our plans. With that, I will turn it over to Robert.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Derek and good morning everyone. Before I begin I'd like to thank our team members for doing a great job of taking care of our customers. Their dedication and commitment to delivering outstanding customer service was a crucial component in our ability to generate record first quarter revenues. This was no easy task, particularly given the challenges we faced with our fleet and weather. As we prepare for summer, our focus is around planning for the busiest travel period of the year. And as Derek mentioned, on April 14th we made the decision to extend the cancellations of our Boeing 737 MAX aircraft through August 19th. Our team has done a remarkable job of taking care of our customers and it's been a real challenge given the magnitude of this disruption. For flights through August 19th, we have had to re accommodate almost 700,000 customers, 700,000 customers from almost 150,000 MAX cancellations. And it's not just our passengers. It's literally thousands of our crew members that have had their work schedules altered on very short notice. And that means that our reservations, customer relations and crew resources teams have been working non-stop and overtime to take care of our customers and team. So again, from all of us to our colleagues, thank you. Based upon our ongoing work with the FAA and Boeing, we are confident that the MAX will be recertified prior to August 19th. But by extending our cancellations through the summer, we can plan more reliably for the peak travel season and provide confidence to our customers and team members that we will operate our planned schedule. Once the MAX is recertified, we anticipate bringing these aircraft back into service as spares to supplement our operation as needed during the summer. As we have discussed on past earnings calls, we have several initiatives to improve our operating reliability. The initiatives we are undertaking are making sure that our aircraft are ready to start the day, depart on time and then turn throughout the day on schedule. We also continue to evaluate and refine our planning processes to ensure that we are ready to deliver better service during our peak travel periods throughout the year. But we still have a lot of work to do, I am pleased to report that despite the challenges we have had with our fleet, we've improved our competitive position for reliability. Our relative on time performance, completion factor both improved. We've seen particularly strong performance from our Northeast hubs and Philadelphia, DCA, LaGuardia and JFK. And our regional operations have been outstanding, delivering the expected results from our continued investment in the regional fleet, the simplification of our Eagle partner portfolio and performance initiatives to ensure consistency across the regional business. We've made steady improvements in our international wide body performance as well, delivering the best quarter of on time performance in our history and we're setting new reliability records for our cargo customers as well. On the product side, we have continued to take big steps forward in creating a world class customer experience. During the first quarter, we opened newly renovated Admirals Clubs in Boston and Charlotte, nearly doubling the seating capacity and our renovation project in Pittsburgh just finished up last week. We will also be growing our network of flagship first dining and flagship lounges with DFW opening later in the second quarter. During the first quarter, we announced new innovative and exclusive partnerships that further differentiate American from competition with a private suite at Los Angeles International Airport and with Blade, a helicopter transfer service at both LAX and JFK. These new partnerships further enhance American's already well-known five star service offerings for premium customers. In addition, we announced an enhanced partnership with Hyatt Hotels. Elite members in both the advantage and world of Hyatt loyalty programs will be rewarded with more ways to earn points, miles and status on qualifying American flights and Hyatt hotel stays. On the digital front, in-flight Wi-Fi has long been a frustration for our airline customers, as slow speeds and frequent outages had made for a difficult experience. This is no longer the case with American. We have now have – we now have the bandwidth to meet their needs, our customer's needs, as our installations of high speed Wi-Fi throughout our domestic - our domestic fleet are nearly complete. We've also activated free live TV on nearly all of our mainline aircraft and we continue to be the only U.S. carrier to offer live television on international flights. In addition, we launched the new exclusive partnership with Apple, giving our customers access to Apple Music to stream more than 50 songs, playlist and music videos on any domestic flight equipped via Satellite Wi-Fi. These are just a few of the examples of the investments that we have made in our product that further differentiate American from the competition. As we look to our network, we are leveraging our strengths with high margin growth planned at our DIA Dallas/Fort Worth and Charlotte hubs. The first stage of that growth commences in May where we'll begin using our 15 new gates at DFW, which will add approximately 100 departures per day. We've already begun selling tickets to 23 new routes and additional frequencies in over 70 markets. And the early results are encouraging, as both bookings and yields are coming in at rates higher than the system average. This marks the first opportunity for significant growth at one of our most profitable hubs. We are excited about adding this capacity particularly into the diverse and robust North Texas economy, which is one of the fastest growing regions in the U.S. We remain on track with our growth plans in Charlotte for 2020 and at our hub in Washington DCA in 2021. Our local sales and distribution team produced strong results last quarter, as corporate revenue growth outpaced system revenue growth on a healthy corporate demand and improved corporate fair environment. The team continues to execute on making American Airlines the easiest airline to do business with, including recent corporate recognition enhancements. Corporate customers now receive complimentary priority access, which includes a priority check in, priority security and group for boarding and during irregular operations, corporate customers now receive a higher prioritization for re-accommodation. Working with our Corporate Customer Advisory Board, we received guidance and feedback on this and other strategic initiatives, solidifying American Airlines as the preferred airline for business travellers. The first quarter was also another record breaking quarter for new corporate account acquisitions, ensuring a strong and healthy pipeline for future corporate growth. Based on our recent corporate customer survey 90% of respondents said that they plan to increase or maintain their spend in 2019, as compared to last year. So we feel confident about corporate demand for the remainder of the year. In loyalty, we continue to see strong growth in advantage fliers, along with more customers qualifying for elite status with year over year yield improvements exceeding system increases. We are also seeing strong growth in redemption bookings. We set first quarter records for acquisitions and spend on our advantage credit cards. And we expect that to carry forward for the full year. As we've previously mentioned, the enhancements to our city advantage platinum card and the introduction of the no fee mile up card last year have increased customer engagement in both acquisitions and retention. This quarter we're excited to announce new benefits for our Barclays Red and Silver Aviator Cards, beginning on May 1st. New card features include an annual companion certificate and enhancements to the travel experience with credits for onboard Wi-Fi and food and beverages. With these changes, we believe we offer an unrivaled portfolio of cards to engage a broad range of customers. Our product segmentation strategy continues to provide choice for our customers and drive incremental revenue for the company. With our premium economy retrofit program now complete American has more aircraft with this differentiated product than any other U.S. airline. The average fare for premium economy continues to be twice the coach fare making it the most profitable use of square footage on our wide body aircraft. We are an industry leader in this category and our customers are noticing as we were recently recognized by TripAdvisor for having the best premium economy product for the more – for North American carriers and their Travelers Choice Awards. All of this resulted in record first quarter revenue of $10.6 billion, up approximately 2% year over year. On a unit revenue basis, total revenue per available seat mile improved 0.5% percent year over year. This marks the tenth consecutive quarter of positive unit revenue growth for American. We are pleased with our revenue performance, although we were slightly below guidance, we were on track until the middle until the middle of March and the grounding of MAX after which we saw close in softness to the balance of March due to schedule uncertainty resulting from the MAX related cancellations. Also as a reminder in 2018 we made a big investment on our advantage program, making it more valuable to customers. We significantly increased the inventory available for redemptions in 2018, increasing the value of the mile to our customers, while also giving our customers more flexibility to use their miles. For the quarter these changes had a negative impact of 0.9 points to unit revenue. We anticipate a similar impact for the remainder of the year. Normalizing for this, our passenger unit revenue would have increased 1.5% in the quarter, a solid result considering the impact of the MAX grounding and our exposure to weak long haul Latin markets. We led the industry in year over year performance in both the Atlantic and Pacific entities, as we were able to grow load factor in a weak pricing environment. The Pacific also benefited from our network restructuring to China and our partnership with Japan Airlines. Japan unit revenue grew by double-digits. Our normalizing unit revenue for the domestic business grew by 1.2% in spite of the MAX routing. Latin performance was weak for American in the first quarter due to Argentina and Venezuela unit revenues which were down by over 20% and also difficult year over year comps. We expect the Latin entity to move to positive territory in the second quarter. Looking forward, we expect our second quarter year over year TRASM to be up 1% to 3%, a 1.5 point sequential improvement from the first quarter. This incorporates a negative 0.5% impact due to the MAX grounding and a negative to unit revenue because the MAX cancellations are higher yielding, lower stage likes flights from an overall system perspective and we are re-accommodating passengers into seats that would have otherwise sold at higher fare levels. So as we prepare for the busy summer season, we are all excited about what the future holds for American Airlines. We are intensely focused on creating value for our shareholders by running a great operation and continuing to improve our product and taking advantage of the opportunities to strengthen our network. With that, we'd like to turn the call back over to the operator and begin our question-and-answer session. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from David Vernon of Bernstein. Your line is now open.
David Vernon:
Hey. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask a little bit about the guide down on fuel and how you're thinking about the revenue environment as we get through the year. Obviously you can't give us guidance on what TRASM should be doing, but I wanted to make sure there isn't something that's following on from the disruptions caused by MAX that might make it harder for you to go ahead and exercise a little bit more pricing in a market where there's less capacity and higher fuel cost?
Doug Parker:
Okay, sure, David. This is Doug and let me first take the guidance point and then Don can talk more about the environment. So anway, the guidance change was simply again you know, oil prices are - just the change in oil prices versus three months ago $650 million [indiscernible] We didn't build into our guidance some hope that because oil prices are higher than they were three months ago that fares in the future are going to be higher than they are today. That may be the case we shall see, but we didn't do that. In this case the other three months higher – the $650 million are higher they were three months ago, but they're not much higher or much different than they were a year ago or certainly you know throughout the 2013. So they went down for a period of time. At the time we gave our last guidance, they've recovered. That doesn't – while we'll do everything we can of course to make sure we're pricing to cover our cost and increase cost as to the guidance itself largely just as the fuel price being adjusted back to current levels where they were three months ago. Don, do you want to talk about the environment.
Don Casey:
Sure. So just you know, we did see during the first quarter you know a bit of weakness in leisure yields. This was driven primarily by price reductions and flow and connecting markets in the domestic business, plus some sporadic aggressive pricing in trans cut [ph] markets. The biggest impact however was just the grounding of the MAX through the end of March and through April. As we look forward from where we’re right now load factors are up in future months and the yield environment has stabilized and we're seeing growth every week and the yields are pretty happy with what the outlook looks like, which is one of the reasons why we've guided up about 0.5 in the first quarter.
David Vernon:
Okay. And then maybe just as a quick follow up to that, I think you know some of the other – the airlines that have reported have said, had actually called out a little bit more sequential improvement in things like corporate bookings. Can you comment a little bit on how the closing bookings look current for America?
Don Casey:
Sure. So again as we went through the quarter, we actually stress through January and February, a very, very strong closing yields for bookings within 13 days of departure, with the MAX cancellations we did see some share shift. This was caused by the fact that we re-accommodated customers on two flights and just less seats out in the market to go sell. That is an impact to the end of March and really through April as well. And we saw just because of schedule uncertainty as we canceled the schedule in three tranches some customers moving away just due to schedule uncertainty, that is now kind of come back and we're seeing the same kind of kind of close in yield improvements that we saw in January and February.
David Vernon:
Great. Thank you for the time.
Operator:
Thank you. And your next question comes from Jamie Baker of JPMorgan. Your line is now open.
Jamie Baker:
Hey. Good morning, everybody. The August 19th MAX date would seem to imply that recertification would need to occur sometime in July. I mean, I suppose you can operate the aircraft as spares once you have the green light, but obviously you need several weeks to sell the inventory. So you know that that July timing seems to be at odds with a growing consensus that a global regulatory consensus may be needed. And of course, rolling cancellations such as this diminish shield production. So why wouldn't the better, more profitable strategy be removing the MAXs until the holidays, adjusting labor lines accordingly and reaping the RASM benefits associated with that reduced capacity?
Don Casey:
Okay, Jamie. Let me try first the premise. And then if you'd like to explain why- if we did what you're suggesting, I think that would not be - that that would actually hurt earnings not help them.
Jamie Baker:
By all means?
Don Casey:
Yes. So on the premise itself that you know, when these aircraft come back into service. You know, as Robert said, we - after you know getting every piece of information we can from the FAA and Boeing who have been working closely with us of course, you know we came to the conclusion that we needed to - we needed for our customers certainty in booking and for our team members to put the start up date as far out in the future as we thought - as we as we said to FAA and Boeing that we need like 95% certainty, that the aircraft – that what we're – that what we're going to be - what we're going to be selling will actually be flown. That's what we think about August 19th. There are all sorts of different suggestions as to what is required to do this. But the reality is the FAA and the DOT regulate the US carriers. They are working closely with Boeing. Everything we see at this point is there - is a fix that makes the aircraft airworthy for any airline. And when that - when they make that determination we expect with the aircraft will be recertified. And again, we believe August 19th is a date that gives us a lot of certainty, it gives our customer certainty and expect actually that it'll be certified well before that date. So that's why we said it there because we think it's well outside the day. So anyway, actually that's where we are…
Jamie Baker:
Okay…
Don Casey:
You know, doing something different and that is why we did it, that's because we believe that the aircraft will be certified before that. And I certainly hope that's the case.
Jamie Baker:
Okay. Second, and this may be a little bit tougher. Can you give us a feel for how many new hires you've made in pricing and revenue management over the past 970 days, not entry level, but any mid to high level type hiring’s?
Don Casey:
Well, maybe you can tell us why you'd like to know that. I'm just confused what you're trying to get at Jamie.
Jamie Baker:
I believe that your marketing department received a blow roughly 970 days ago with Scott's departure.
Don Casey:
Okay, thanks. Doug?
Doug Parker:
There really hasn't been anybody and so mid market and mid-level and up in the organization is are all people that we’re here when Scott was here.
Don Casey:
Thank you very much.
Operator:
Thank you. And your next question comes from Darryl Genovesi of Vertical Research Partners. Your line is now open.
Darryl Genovesi:
Hi. Good morning, everyone. Hey Derek, can you just help provide some sensitivity around, some earnings sensitivity around potentially longer 737 MAX drowning. I mean, I guess I'm looking for something like you know if we lose it for an extra month then the EPS it is x? Can you - are you able to do that?
Derek Kerr:
It'll be harder to do. But I mean, I can give you what the EPS impact. I mean, we said it's $0.60 for where we're at. By month or by quarter, right now in the second quarter we said over $350 million dollar impact. We have 50 in the first quarter approximately 185 in the second quarter and approximately 115 in the third quarter. So I would say you know 185 in the second quarter is a full quarter. So that's a number that's there the whole time. But that is the summer and that's the peak. So it might be a little bit higher than if it continued into August, September, October it might have a little bit less effect where we probably have a little bit more room. I mean, the reason we took it down to August 19th is that's when the end of the summer is and when the peak is. So we may have a little bit more room in August and September you know. to o cover some of the flying. So I think that that's the best we can do right now from that effect. But you got $0.60 a share and then the impact about 180 and a full quarter.
Darryl Genovesi:
Well, that's good. That's helpful. Thank you. And then and then Robert or Don, just looking at booking trends that you've seen since the MAX - since the MAX was initially or maybe even going back to before the MAXs was grounded, but when some of these headlines started coming up, have you seen anything in booking trends that would suggest a reluctance on the part of your customer base to take 737 NG flights. I mean I guess I'm just thinking that to the infrequent traveller, a 737- 800 and a 737-8, sound like more or less exactly the same thing. So just wondering if you've seen anything like that yet and if that's something that we shouldn't worry about you know, even post the return to service by the MAX>
Robert Isom:
The answer is no, there's not a significant change in load factors you know from what we can see. I think the bigger issue has been schedule uncertainty. You know, don't forget that to get to where we are now we had to go through a series of tranches of cancellations that were all close in. And as Don mentioned earlier you know, we had - in for closing bookings you know, we saw share shift that definitely benefited some of our competition. You know, the good news is, is that now we've canceled you know further out that that certainty is back and it really gives us something that we can go out with, our sales and distribution teams to give confidence that that schedule is certain. But in regard to questions about a preference for aircraft types, we don't - we haven't seen anything like that.
Darryl Genovesi:
Okay. Thanks for the update, appreciate it.
Robert Isom:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Hunter Keay, Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.
Hunter Keay:
Hey. Morning, Doug. Thank you everybody. Hey you guys have talked about over actually your over $3 billion in merger related costs being pulled out of CASM now five years after the merger. You're not the only airline to do that and so sorry to isolate you here. But I'm curious to know when these are going to stop and how much of the special items, you know, this quarter and that $3 billion have been cash? Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Thanks I'll try and give you details. Look, really good question one that we ask ourselves all the time and our auditors ask us. But the reality is what we – we’re very careful about what we include in special items, they are meant to be items that are non-recurring items. Therefore to give all of us and our investors in particular an idea of what the ongoing financial performance of the company is. So and the fact of the matter is in an airline merger related activities still go on four and five years later and they still are. So we work through with our auditors to figure out what exactly things that are that are going on that are related to the merger. We still have issues related to mergers its something we – just this quarter. We got our flight attendants onto one scheduling system, so that they can - so they can work together, there is a lot more to do in maintenance and other items. So they are items that we wouldn't do if it weren't for the merger that wouldn't have been in either companies, you know if they were separate, they're there because we merged two airlines and have to incur expenses as a result of the merger. But Derek, any one detail…
Derek Kerr:
Well, I would say its exactly right. I think from a cash standpoint the merger and integration items are okay. Items that come out of cash, whereas I think the fleet restructuring is non-cash and it's just bringing falling forward, catch up depreciation and accelerated depreciation. Example is you know, the aircraft that you know as part of the merger we're doing are - we call it the Oasis project or the project to conform the aircraft and make sure that they're all the seats are the same on both A321s and 73s that makes us go on the newer 737 aircraft and retire like the seats in the videos on the back five years earlier and that's catch up depreciation that you put in there. So that's non-cash, merger and integration is almost all cash. As you break out the two numbers.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. And then you know, Robert or whoever maybe, you talked about Dallas growth and obviously reference to the economic strength in the region, but capacity in the DFW area is going to be about 50% higher this summer than it was in 2010. How are you thinking about that in terms of maybe you know, over saturating the market, competing against yourself either of your local or connecting basis and just managing the risk around some of this growth? Thanks.
Don Casey:
Anyway, I don't think we're actually up 50%, I am not sure.
Hunter Keay:
Not you. No, no, Don, not you. It’s the DFW area between you and Love Field, to be clear. Sorry.
Don Casey:
Yeah, even looking at us on Love Field, I'm not sure how you get to 50%, you know, number. I mean the big part of the growth and Love Field is capped, right. So there's really no departure growth happening at Love Field right now. We're growing about 100 departures right at DFW from 800 to 900. But anyway…
Hunter Keay:
Don, I'm sorry. I was talking about - just to be clear, from 2010 it's a long time ago, not year on year.
Don Casey:
It's arguably a cherry picked trough, but the point there is lot more capacity on it was 10 years ago and I'm just trying to make sure you know, how you guys are thinking about the competitive impact, either from yourselves or others? That’s what I'm getting at? Thanks.
Hunter Keay:
Sure. Well, as we get from 2010 to 2018 right which was up until last year, it's been one of our best performing hubs during that entire time period, right. We're growing at this year a big percentage of the customers we're going to grow we're going to be connecting customers, right, so not really reliant, just on the DFW market. And again when we look at the early results in terms of the how the new markets are booking up, their booking at or above the system average, so I think we're pretty encouraged.
Derek Kerr:
Yeah. And we’re looking at all Jim is – I am sorry, I do it every time. And it's not intentional, I promised.
Doug Parker:
Jamie and I were just discussing that earlier this morning ironically, but you continue.
Derek Kerr:
I know, sincere apologies to you both. So look, again I mean, this is one of these once in a lifetime opportunities that are good for the airline in everyway, it is you know, our largest of the chance to expand it by 100 departures, it doesn't come along very often. Frankly it's not so much about Dallas, as it is about the United States because we connect – we will be connecting most of those people over Dallas much more to markets that we weren't able to sell before. In some cases that our competitors are able so in other cases that we just sold you know not very efficiently. So it's you know, these things as Robert noted we add these flights, they come in at system average, they don't need to build up their markets that - there's demand for the travel and you fly an airplane into Dallas, Fort Worth and it connects people to hundreds of markets. They didn't have opportunities to fly to before. It's built not the hub getting it even to be even more powerful than it is today. And it's really, it's very nice growth.
Doug Parker:
I’ll just add that you know these 15 Gates in this satellite-e, that's a fantastic opportunity. So you know versus you know going out and spending tens of millions dollars you know for Gate you know anywhere else you know for growth. These are these are a fraction of a fraction of that kind of cost and we're ready to go. So excited.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. Thank you very much.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Hunter.
Operator:
Thank you. And your next question comes from Jose Caiado of Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.
Jose Caiado:
Hey, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking the time. I was hoping we could start just with the cost of the MAX grounding, which you quantified at $350 million for the year. I guess, I'm struggling to reconcile that with what we heard yesterday from your crosstown competitor which has larger fleet exposure than you do, but appears to be guiding to a lesser MAX impact for the full year. Could you maybe walk us through why that might be and the moving pieces there, is that maybe a function of where you concentrated at your MAX fleet just any help there?
Doug Parker:
Okay. First, anyway. I look at that number, their absolute numbers that they gave one, and if they did it's dramatically different.
Don Casey:
I mean, the only thing we could figure out from their guidance was they went – CASM was worst by 4% and RASM went up by 1%. So a four point basis point reduction in earnings which would be over on their margin would be over $250 million dollars in the second quarter. So…
Doug Parker:
But we shouldn't speak for that But our analysis at least on what they said looked consistent with ours is what we should say, we may be missing that, but what we just looked at what they said came in those numbers as Derek said that way. So it seem totally consistent. In terms of the absolute number, the inconsistency versus ours is a little bit as Robert suggested that our RASM in the second quarter would be lower than it would've been otherwise, this suggest to be would be higher, and they have higher CASM and we didn't have until we got that much. You know, again this is not speaking for them only for us, but trying ourselves to understand why that may be, that is that we see more of a revenue per ASM change and – we see revenue per ASM falling actually, they see it going up a little bit. And in the second quarter a few points to make, one in this December MAX of course is an entirely domestic airplane. So on the American Airlines system, well the domestic revenue per ASM is a higher number than revenue per ASM internationally because of stage link. So Southwest probably doesn’t have the issue. They don't - they're not taking out their highest revenue per ASM flying, in this case we are just a math issue basically. But that would have an impact. The other point you know that I that I imagine is the case. Robert talked about how painful this is to us. At American in the near term when we have people who have bought travel in advance, so you know in our pricing model, Some leisure travelers with advanced purchases who have bought lower priced tickets. And then we cancel them in a relatively near term. In a peak, we need to provide them seats that we were holding back for higher price customers, for higher yielding customers. So that has a real impact on revenue per ASM. And again, Southwest pricing model has less of that than ours. So those again is our best guess as to why they may be seeing a different thing on revenue per ASM than we are. But the total - the total profitability impact to us look right in line with where we are, but if we're wrong on that, let us not…
Jose Caiado:
Yeah, I know that’s…
Doug Parker:
What are you talking for certain is we feel really confident in our number, we spent a lot of time on it and we feel really good about our estimate. Yeah, that's totally fair. Thank you for that Doug. I know it's not clean math, but that's helpful. Just switching gears, Robert or Don maybe, I was hoping you could give us an update on where you are with those IT initiatives or that that infrastructure work that you were doing that was going to enhance your ability to kind of push out more offers and drive more ancillary conversions. Is that project completed and contributing already?
Robert Isom:
No, Don, you can – and Mike can add in here to, we're on track to be able to really put some nice offers out that to customers that you know post purchase but pre-flight at the end of this month.
Doug Parker:
That's right our first product its an upscale subsidiary push offers at upselling a premium cabin and we're going to be in market with our initial product by the end of May.
Jose Caiado:
That's great. Thanks for the time everyone.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Your next question comes from Dan Mckenzie of Buckingham Research. Your line is now open.
Dan Mckenzie:
Hey good morning. Thanks, guys. First question is really just sort of a clarifying question regarding the full year guide you know the narrative in the first quarter was off peak pricing weakness because there's too much capacity and as I just kind of look at the growth that you guys are laying out for the fourth quarter it's up 6% and you know not asking you guys to give a revenue forecast for the fourth quarter, but just hoping you can clarify whether the kind of revised guide does factor in some off peak pricing weakness that you know it's probably likely to manifest in the fourth quarter or are what gives you comfort that the fourth quarter won't be a repeat of the first quarter?
Doug Parker:
Its Doug. When we talk about growth for this year it is DFW and then the start of Charlotte. So you know again as we take a look at you know any of the growth that is done it mentioned earlier any growth we have planned for the summer as we extend out into that schedule for DFW and Charlotte. You know we think that that is a smart growth and it's growth that is going to maintain performance for us we take a look out through the end of the year.
Dan Mckenzie:
Okay. I just try to clear this, the fourth quarter factor in potentially some pricing weakness or you know there's a fact I mean maybe you can just help because that Hunter's question, actually was my question as well, maybe you can just help us understand the nature of the growth you know what percent of the growth is smaller high yielding markets, you know what percent is kind of a larger competitive markets that may be lost on folks, just as we kind of think about the revenue trajectory through the end of the year?
Doug Parker:
Again the bulk of the growth is going to be focused on Dallas right, skewed to overall domestic growth. Domestic has again higher nominal, right. So the entity mix as we head into the fourth quarter is going to be favorable for us.
Dan Mckenzie:
Smaller markets though I mean like 50% of the growth out of Dallas is to smaller higher yielding markets. So can you just help give us a little bit more clarity there?
Doug Parker:
50% regional. So that that would be the case.
Dan Mckenzie:
Understood. Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. And your next question comes from Susan Donofrio of Macquarie Capital. Your line is now up.
Susan Donofrio:
Yes, good morning. I just wanted to get some more color on your international markets in terms of the trends you're seeing. If you could also just provide a little more color on competition in those markets?
Don Casey:
Okay, sure. This is Don. I mean, if you go to look at the first quarter you know Latin was our most challenged entity for the quarter. You know particular for Argentina and Venezuela where we saw you know revenue declines as you know more than 20%. Just as a reminder we did end up suspending operations to Venezuela on March 28. So that won't have an impact as we look forward. We also in the first quarter - particularly difficult comps in Latin America in our unit revenue growth in the first quarter last year is up 12%, while the rest of the industry grew in the 5% range. We also face some currency headwinds in the first quarter. Latin America by about 1.7 points. But as we look forward into the second quarter in Latin America we expect Latin America actually positive in the second quarter and we expect Brazil to have positive revenue in the second quarter as well. In Atlantic, we did see softer pricing in the economy cabin during the first quarter which we're able to offset with higher load factors. Premium demand did hold up and we were able to improve our yields in the premium cabins. UK was our top performing market in the first quarter and we have not really seen any impact at this point related to Brexit. And we expect similar to potentially slightly better performance in Atlantic as we look into the second quarter. Pacific was our best performing entity for the quarter with unit revenue growth about 9%. Gains were really in both yield and load factor across the both economy and business gap. And so it is really broad strength in the Pacific. I mean every entity in the Pacific I posit you know revenue growth led by Hong Kong, Japan. We benefited from our restructuring of our operations to China and our partnership with China Southern. So we added five additional Kocher cities to Beijing, and now to Shanghai we now cover either through our own metal or through our coach. With China Southern 86% of demand. So we expect that Pacific looking forward to be solidly profitable in the second quarter - solidly positive in the second quarter as well.
Susan Donofrio:
Great. And then just as a follow up on, is there anything you're doing in terms of further integration of your alliance partners?
Don Casey:
I guess, that's just an ongoing process right. So with all of our joint businesses you know, we have a roadmap of initiatives on how we're going to better integrate our services because that's really the key is creating more seamless experience for customers across the combined networks.
Doug Parker:
And there's good news on the horizon, that we're very confident that our Qantas JV. will be approved to go forward sometime soon and that's beneficial. And we're constantly at work with IAG, especially B.A. and making sure that you know every thing that we do is making our product more consistent and easier to use for our customers.
Susan Donofrio:
Great. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Susan.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Didora of Bank of America. Your line is now open.
Andrew Didora:
Hi. Good morning, everyone. Just one question Doug, as you outlined in your release free cash flow should increase significantly heading into 2020 and really kind of be a first year of true free cash flow generation since the merger. I know this has been the story given your CapEx program and other cash hasn't come in the door for a bit, but can you maybe just give us a sense of what your priorities are going be for that free cash flow as you stand right now? Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Yeah. Thanks, Andrew. They'll be consistent, what you've seen from us to date and then looking at - and our view on capital allocation goes like this, as we generate cash we use it first, again having generating cash having - having invested in the operation, but having produced revenues in excess of what we've spent in the operation. We then look to invest in the business in any manner that can get returns for our investors, that meet our thresholds. Those obviously as we as we get through all of this both merger - capital expense and fleet monetization expense fall off. So we'll have - we have less need for CapEx is what we're saying. We then look to with the cash flow then it still exists. Free cash flow that comes we look to make sure that all of our debt is efficient and not at the level that is remotely concerning. So there's any debt that can be - it is that high levels can be preplanning debt that's coming due that is amortizing we pay off and may or may not decide to refinance issue, refinance based upon where we're at the time. Having done all that what we want to be certain is at least in today's environment that we have at least $7 billion of liquidity at any time, that's an enormous amount of cash for a company our size. But that is the cost to our shareholders and it being more levered. What we know is as confident we are in the future we need to be prepared for any short of any sort of black swan type event that could require us to need additional capital, so we hold a lot of cash with a view that's more important in those times than having unencumbered airplanes which are hard to finance in those times. So having done all that to the extent there's a free cash flow that goes for our shareholders because we've determined that there's - we've used what we've generate to as best - as best we can. And having no other alternatives we look to give it back to our shareholders. If we believe the stock is undervalued, the best way to do that is buyback our shares. If we happen to believe the stock is fairly valued, we would look to do things like dividends. o that's what you should expect.
Andrew Didora:
Great. Thank you for that.\
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Joseph DeNardi of Stifel. Your line is now open.
Joseph DeNardi:
Yeah, thanks. Good morning. Doug, kind of along those lines, you've got the free cash flow outlook over the next few years, you know what your stock is trading at now. Is there any thought to kind of pulling some of that forward. You've talked about eventually lowering the $7 billion to something like 5. What are your thoughts there at this point? Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Yeah, look I don't believe either 77, do we're going to lower in 75. So I want to correct that. What I have said I think is $7 billion is a really high number for a company our size. I'm always careful to note that because some people started talking about that as some sort of a minimum cash is not even closer to a maximum cash. Basically you could run this airline up to probably $2 billion of cash before you started being – before you started having sort of issues about the future. But - so we hold basically a $5 billion cushion, I think I said, and maybe that at some point I think it'll be - it'll make sense to relook that number. But you know., where we today we still believe that's the right number we still do have, we still are working through merger, we still do have some large CapEx expenditures in this year and we still and frankly we still and we - this earnings level that we're projecting isn’t what we believe is an earnings level that gets us excited about reducing that number either. So for all those reasons we think $7 billion is the right number at this point in time. And as aggressive as we are in terms of wanting to return capital to shareholders certainly and aggressive at these valuations and wanting to repurchase shares. We are equally if not where we are more aggressive in our view that we're not going to - we're not going to violate the $7 billion cash number. As we move forward, we think that's important that we keep in place that - as we sit here today. As we move forward, I suspect we'll come to the conclusion that we don't need to have that large of a number. But we're still working through all the issues I said and as we do so that feel like the right number now.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay. And then just on the 357, I mean, I know the proxy will come out shortly. Can you talk about whether the bonus pool got funded in 2018 that you fell short on a pre-tax income basis of the three? And then how you're thinking about that going forward and any changes you're thinking about on the 357? Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Yeah. Happy to. I think in the 357 everyone else doesn't know we're talking about – we have and have had for a while our incentive - our short term incentive plan tied to pre-tax profits with a threshold $3 billion, target of $5 billion maximum of $7 billion which is which as we've stated is our long term view about the profitability generating potential of this company. In 2018, you're right on a reported basis we were slightly below %3 billion on a pre-tax level but this calculation is made prior to the payments themselves of course and prior to profit sharing. So what you'll see in the proxy is that while it was reported number below $3 billion in terms of the plan calculation it was slightly above $3 billion. So the team got a 51% of their target bonus in 2018. As we move to 2019 and setting the plan you know, we - as to the named executive officers me and my director reports are still are still on in 2018 the 357 plan. But look we got to be careful about making sure that while we may believe that's the long term future, we're going to make certain that we have incentive plans that allow our team to believe they have a reasonable chance at getting their bonuses in any given year. So we did amend the plan for everyone below the any of us to – for ought to be split into two components now of financial - financial plan and the operational plan 50/50 of each and the financial piece we tied for 2018, for 2019 I am sorry, to $4 billion of pre-tax earnings and starting at zero, much like the profit sharing does. So that - that's where we set it going forward. Long way we say, which I think you really care about more is what is our view about 357 over the long term, its still - again we said there, I still believe this company has potential. I will tell you as we sit here today you know, given where we were for the past couple of years, as you think about explaining to people where you think you are. I would say certainly as you go into 2019 that it feels a lot more like 3, 4, 5, 4 is a good year, 5 would be a great year, 3 is not a very good year. That's - and I am not trying to make any big statement there about our long term view of the company, but just rather let you know what it feels like today and really what I'm saying it's tightened somewhat in that range. And you know, and we'll see where it goes going forward. But you know, what I would also point out is if you want to go build the numbers like that in the models into the future you're going to find I believe you will find that our stock is well undervalued because it's not trading like - it's certainly not trading at 3, 5, 7, it is not trading like 3, 4,5. And that's where we believe we are today.
Joseph DeNardi:
Thanks, Doug.
Doug Parker:
Yeah.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from Savi Syth of Raymond James. Your line is now open.
Savi Syth:
Hey, good morning. I just had two quick follow up question, just on the summer operations in Dallas, I recognize that you're getting additional gate, so it's not like you're working more gates. But just given the extra flying are you comfortable with the kind of the air side capacity and you know - that we're not going to see something like we saw in LAX a couple of years ago?
Doug Parker:
Yeah, great news on that, as we've had teams that hard at work for you know literally you know over a year to make sure not only the facility is ready to go, but surface management at the airport and then also you know ATC is ready to go. And so when we take a look at from a regional perspective or from a mainline perspective and whether you're talking about you know Gates or equipment or personnel, we've already ramped up to a considerable level, we're not quite at the 900 level yet, but we will be at the end of this month and really confident about where we go - where we are going forward.
Savi Syth:
Helpful. Thank you. And just a quick follow up on the capacity, you mentioned that you'll take a look at forward capacity, it's going to fuel states higher as you get into the shoulder periods again. Is there is that more of the kind of domestic perspective or should we think international and domestic or how should we think about kind of - where the potential cuts could come?
Doug Parker:
Well, we haven't thinking about cuts, what I would say is that we're all - we're always on the lookout to make sure that we're optimizing profitability for the network as a whole. And so you know both you know international, domestic are interrelated and you know it's a network business. So as we take a look we will evaluate, you know our hubs, we’ll evaluate our fleet and certainly you know, all the cities that we fly. But as you know - I'll underscore again you know when we talk about the DFW flying for the remainder of the year and the growth that we have planned for the year it's largely DFW related and the kind of things that we're doing, is we're adding some new markets, some new spokes to DFW places like Cheyenne, and Del Rio and Harlingen you know, places that we haven’t served and then you know increasing capacity from a perspective of frequency out of DFW just some markets both you know, the smaller and midsized that we think that's going to make DFW stronger overall for the long run.
Doug Parker:
Appreciate that. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. We will now be taking questions from members of the media. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Tracy Rucinski of Reuters. Your line is now open.
Tracy Rucinski:
Hi. Good morning Doug, you seem very confident about the MAX being ungrounded by August 19th. But there is still some uncertainty from global regulators. So my question is, if the FAA a recertifies the MAX, that other regions or countries like Europe or Canada have issue will you still fly it?
Doug Parker:
If the FAA recertifies the MAX, we absolutely will fly the airplane. That's our regulator. And if the FAA determines that it's airworthy, it is absolutely airworthy and anyone that’s flying on an aircraft will know that for certain. Look, but, this is part of the issue that you know FAA and DOT need to work through, the administration needs to work through. And I don't know that that's a scenario that will develop or not. But to be clear, we're regulated by the FAA. We know that that aircraft with our pilots with our training systems, with our aircraft is airworthy, will be certainly will be airworthy if the FAA recertifies it and we will – so yes.
Tracy Rucinski:
Okay. And if pilots ask for added level of simulator training on checklists related to MCAS failures, like runway stabilizer, will you provide it? And is there any possibility that additional training demands either from pilot unions or global regulator could delay the return to service of the aircraft?
Doug Parker:
Well, look again, our pilots were critical of this, we've been working. Our pilots have been heavily involved in all this work. We -that's what gives us - what will give us confidence and what will give the flying public confidence that the aircraft is safe to fly will be when American Airlines pilots say that it's safe to fly because I can tell you for certain is that if an American owned pilot decides that their plane is safe to fly you can be a hundred percent certain of that and not because - not out of bravado, out of analysis, out of understanding the aircraft, out of training, out of knowing, they have been their co-pilot has been trained accordingly. So absolutely our pilots will be not just involved and critical to this process will make sure whatever time the aircraft is deemed airworthy that our pilots will - that will have a leadership role in ensuring that they are comfortable with that. So that's given and we'll make sure that will be done. But again we believe based on what we know now that that was by August 19th, we will pass those thresholds.
Operator:
Thank you. And your next question comes from Alison Sider of Wall Street Journal. Your line is now open.
Alison Sider:
Hi. Thanks so much. Good morning. You know, since the two crashes there's just been a lot of discussion about pilot training, standards around the world. Just wondering if you have looked at some of your partner airlines if you're having any concerns or questions about training at partners and if that's something you have conversations with them about?
Doug Parker:
So that the good news is that you know we work very closely with all of our partner carriers and it is a process when we establish relationships, you know we do extensive reviews of their operations as well. And so you know from our perspective you know we feel very comfortable with the one more carriers that we deal with and as well with you know our joint business partners and we'll continue to make sure that you know customers flying an American Airlines whether on American Airlines or with any of our partners that they're getting the best service and the most safe and reliable service that you can get.
Alison Sider:
And are those things - are those ongoing conversations you know, have there been any sort of like renewed looks at that standards or procedures that other airlines or is that something that sort of happened you know at the outset on a partnership...
Doug Parker:
It's a constant process.
Alison Sider:
Okay, thanks.
Operator:
Thank you. And your next question comes from Patti Waldmeir of Financial Times. Your line is now open.
Patti Waldmeir:
Thanks so much. Can you say anything about what compensation you may be seeking from Boeing for the costs that you've referred to on this call, the cost of the grounding and you know even things like you know staff working overtime to rebook passengers things like that?
Doug Parker:
Yeah, all of our efforts at this point are working to make sure you get the airplane recertified and flying again for our customers and our team members were working closely with Boeing, at the appropriate time we'll talk about what this is done to American. And Boeing's is a very good and long time partner and we'll work through that privately, but nothing that we – we had any conversations at that point yet. And at some point perhaps we will, but right now we're focused on working together to get the airplane back andrecertify.
Patti Waldmeir:
Thanks.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from John Biers of AFP. Your line is now open.
John Biers:
Thank you. Just most of my questions have been answered already, but I wondered are you - how does this whole situation with the 737 MAX affect the way you think about Boeing versus Airbus going forward?
Doug Parker:
Boeing, is a phenomenal company that builds great airplanes as is Airbus. Obviously we're not happy about this issue but no one is. Tragic events and what we care about is safety and we will work together as this industry always does to ensure that safety is the number one focus. And we don't compete on safety nor do aircraft manufacturers. So we will as an industry make certain that that this is addressed in a way that ensures that all aircraft are 100% safe and as that happens we're certain that both manufacturers are committed to that as we are.
John Biers:
Did you feel like you have a clear understanding of what went wrong with the aircraft, in the crashes at this point?
Doug Parker:
I'll just I'll just chime in here. Look we have to - first off you know we operated the 737 MAX you know very successfully for a number of months and really hadn't had to deal with any anomalies. So what we're doing is working with the FAA and with Boeing on what's been reported you know from the incidents to make the aircraft better and correct any deficiencies. And I know that when we get through with addressing the issues related to MKS software that it's going to be an even better plane. And so, again from our perspective we have what you know about you know issues related to the aircraft. We certainly have our own experience with it and we're constantly working to make sure that we make the aircraft better and you know we look forward to recertification.
John Biers:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. And your next question comes from Ted Reed of Forbes. Your line is now open.
Ted Reed:
Thank you. I have two questions. First, I'd like to know about Munich. I don't understand the reasoning behind canceling Philadelphia and then starting Munich, Charlotte and Munich Dallas?
Doug Parker:
Hey, Ted. We're constantly taking a look at how the marketplace works and for us it's just better connecting opportunities. And so we think that it's going to be a great fight and hopefully it'll lead to better things in the future.
Ted Reed:
Looking strong from the two new destiny from the two new hub, from these two hubs?
Doug Parker:
Yes it is. And you know for smaller markets you just need a lot more connecting traffic to make, in survey…
Ted Reed:
Secondly, I thought the pilot talks were going to go rapidly but now it seems that they're going slowly and that there might not be any kind of deal till next year? Is that the case.
Doug Parker:
We've just begun negotiation with our pilots. The talks are happening well in advance of the amendable date which is January of 2020. So we're happy to be talking well in advance of that. And we would be - it would be nice to get something done before the amenable date. I think both parties goals and we'll keep working toward that, nothing new to report.
Ted Reed:
All right. Thank you, Doug.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. And that concludes our question-and-answer session for today. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Doug Parker for closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
My closing remarks is thank you. Thank you for your interest. If you have any questions give Dan or corporate communications a call. Thanks, again.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.
Operator:
Good day, ladies and gentleman. And welcome to the Fourth Quarter American Airlines Group earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later we will conduct the question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, today’s conference maybe recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Dan Cravens, Managing Director Investor Relations. Sir you may begin.
Dan Cravens:
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. And welcome to the American Airlines Group's fourth quarter 2018 earnings conference call. With us in the room this morning is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Finance Officer. Also in the room for our Q&A session are several of our senior exes, including Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs and Don Casey, our Senior Vice President of Revenue Management. Like we normally do, Doug will start the call with an overview of our financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the fourth quarter and provide some additional information on our 2019 guidance. Robert will then follow with commentary on the operational performance and revenue environment. And then, after we hear from those comments, we'll open the call for analysts' questions, and lastly questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecast or capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning in our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2018. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as pre-tax profit and CASM, excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and that can also be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. A webcast of this call will be archived on the Web site, and the information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us. At this point, I would like to the turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Dan. Thanks everyone. We reported fourth quarter and full-year 2018 earnings this morning. For 2018, we had pretax profit excluding special items of $2.8 billion for the year. 2018 was a challenging year for us financially, higher fuel prices per gallon drove an increase in our total fuel expense by $2.2 billion versus 2017, and that led to about $1.4 billion reduction in our pretax earnings. I guess we had difficult operations environment during the summer. But we entered 2019 with the great momentum and excitement. Derek and Robert will cover this in lot more detail, but we are dedicated in improving our operations liability and that work has already taken hold, and we are excited about how we will perform going throughout 2019. We have over $1 billion of revenue and cost initiatives that are well underway that we know are going to help us to improve our earnings in 2019 versus '18. We're growing where we have a competitive advantage, thanks in large part to our ability to grow our largest job in Dallas-Fort Worth. And we are nearing the end of our unprecedented post merger capital expenditure, capital requirements which Derek will talk a little more about. So we feel great about where we are positioned. Our teams are doing a great job. And we couldn't be more proud of the work they are doing to take care of our customers. And we are really looking forward to 2019. Consistent with that optimism, we provided some 2019 EPS guidance this morning that has -- Derek can talk more about it, so there's relatively wide range but the middle of that range would have our EPS up about little over 40% higher than what we announced for 2018. So with that said, I'll turn over to Derek to give you a lot more detail.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks Doug and good morning everybody. I'd like to start by recognizing our team who did a great job of taking care of our customers during the busy holiday travel period. Despite challenging weather conditions in some of our hubs, the preparation and teamwork of our operations group was evident and it made a real difference for our customers. So from all of us, I want to thank you all for all your efforts. We filed our fourth-quarter and full-year 2018 earnings press release this morning. While fuel prices fell during the quarter, our average fuel cost per gallon was 17.5% higher than the same period last year. Excluding net special items, we reported a fourth-quarter net profit of $481 million in 2018 versus 2017 fourth-quarter net profit of $444 million. For the full year, our net income, excluding net special items, was $2.1 billion, down 18% versus 17% on a 29% increase in average fuel price. Our diluted earnings per share, excluding net special items in the fourth quarter was $1.04 per share, up from $0.93 per diluted share in the fourth quarter last year. And for the full year of 2018, our earnings per diluted share excluding net special items was $4.55. Our fourth quarter pretax profit excluding net special items was $634 million with a pretax margin of 5.8%. And on a full-year basis also excluding net special items, we earned pretax income of $2.8 billion on a pretax margin of 6.3%. The fourth quarter of 2018 was American Airlines' ninth consecutive quarter of year-over-year total operating revenue growth, which was up 3.1% to $10.9 billion. This represents the highest fourth quarter total operating revenue in American Airlines' history. For the full year, total operating revenues were also a record, up 4.5% to $44.5 billion. On a unit revenue basis, total RASM was up 1.7% for the fourth quarter and up 2.4% for the year. This growth was driven by the continued enhancements of our revenue management system, as well as the positive impact of our basic and premium economy products, which help drive 2.9% improvement in passenger revenues for the fourth quarter to $10 billion. For the year, total passenger revenue was up 3.9% to $40.7 billion. Our cargo team finished the year with an excellent fourth quarter, increasing revenues by 3% or $264 million. This growth was due primarily to higher cargo yields. And for the first time ever, our cargo revenue exceeded $1 billion for the full year. So congratulations to the cargo team. They worked hard to reach this milestone and we look forward to growing this segment of our business in 2019 and beyond. We’ve seen strength in our loyalty program all year and that trend continued in the fourth quarter, driving other revenues higher by 6.3% to $712 million for the quarter. Full year 2018 other revenues were $2.9 billion, an increase of 9.7%. Total operating expenses in the fourth quarter of 2018 were $10.4 billion, up 4.2% due primarily to 19.6% increase in consolidated fuel expense. For the full year 2018, fuel costs were up nearly 32% or $2.4 billion, which drove 9.1% increase in total annual operating expenses. When fuel and special items are excluded, our unit costs decreased in the fourth quarter by 0.2% compared to 2017. This was due in part to the success of our one-airline cost initiatives. This project gained momentum during the year and as a result, our full year 2018 CASM, excluding fuel and special items, was up only 1.4% as compared to the projected increase of 2% that was guided to at the beginning of the year. It's worth noting that we were able to beat our unit cost projections despite lowering our capacity growth by more than 50 basis points from our initial expectations at the beginning of the year. Turning to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with approximately $7.6 billion in total available liquidity. During the quarter, our treasury team completed several transactions, including upsizing and expanding our existing $2.5 billion to $2.8 billion, while improving the undrawn economics. We have committed financing for all mainline aircraft deliveries through June 2019, and continue to evaluate financing options for our remaining mainline and regional aircraft deliveries in 2019. In 2018, we made contributions of $467 million to our defined benefit pension plans. For 2019, we now intend to make contributions of $800 million, up slightly from the $780 million that we projected in our last earnings call. Rising interest rates have helped our pension liability and brought it down by $1.4 billion. However, the sell-off in risk assets in the fourth quarter resulted in negative asset return for the year, driving the increased contribution in order to maintain our desired funding status for all of our plans. During 2018, we lowered our adjusted debt including pensions by approximately $760 million. We anticipate our 2019 year-end adjusted debt will be lower by more than $1 billion compared to year end 2018. Over the next few years this trend is planned to continue as we pay down our existing obligations, and our new aircraft deliveries slowed significantly after 2019. During the quarter, we did adapt early the new lease accounting standard, which requires leases to be recognized on the balance sheet as liabilities with corresponding right of use assets. That early adoption of this standard benefited pretax income excluding net special items in the fourth quarter by $54 million. Of which a significant portion relates to prior quarters in 2018. We will recast 2018 quarters for the adoption of the new lease accounting standard in our 2018 10-K filing. We did not purchase any stock during the quarter of 2018, leaving our available authorization for stock buybacks unchanged at $1.65 billion. We continue to believe our stock is undervalued. Unfortunately, the fall of oil prices, which improved our liquidity outlook at the end of the year occurred during a close trading window. And as a result, we were unable to resume stock repurchases during the fourth quarter despite ending the quarter at $600 million above our threshold. However, our plan is still to return excess cash above our $7 billion liquidity threshold to our shareholders as we have done in the past. We filed our Investor Relations update this morning, which includes our guidance for the first quarter and full year 2019. We anticipate our capacity will grow approximately 3% during 2019 with growth of approximately 1% in the first quarter. The full year capacity growth will come primarily from incremental flying out of our new gates at DFW our most profitable hub to be worth about 2% of that growth, as well as our fleet harmonization project that is adding seats to our existing narrow body aircraft, that’s about 0.5% and allows us to grow capacity in an extremely efficient way. Given the timing of these two initiatives, we expect that our capacity growth will be weighted more towards the back half of 2019. For the full year, we expect our cost per ASM excluding fuel and special items and new labor deals will grow at the top end of the 1% to 2% range that we gave previously. This is higher than previous guidance due to an increase in sale leaseback transactions on our aircraft and higher-than-expected growth in profit sharing on larger expected earnings improvement. Overall, CASM growth in 2019 is primarily driven by increased maintenance expense from required engine overhauls, increased airport rent expense at our hubs and higher earnings related salaries and expenses primarily from the increased profit sharing. Due to the ASM growth weighted in the back half of the year, our annual CASM increase will not be spread evenly throughout the year and will be front end loaded. For the first quarter, our CASM expected to be up approximately 4% year-over-year. This rate of growth is the highest of the year due to the lower ASM growth, as well as the timing of aircraft maintenance, salaries and benefits and selling expenses throughout the year. CASM growth is expected to decelerate to approximately 2.5% in the second quarter and further decline to approximately 1% in the third and 0.5% in the fourth for 2019. Fuel prices fell sharply at the end of the fourth quarter 2018 and we anticipate lower fuel expenses during 2019 based on the forward curve as of January 22nd. We are forecasting a decrease in consolidated fuel expense of 8.4% or approximately $830 million for the full year 2019 as compared to '18. We expect our average fuel price will be between $1.97 and $2.02 per gallon in the first quarter and be around $1.99 to $2.04 for the full year. We also guided to our first quarter 2019 TRASM increase of flat to up 2% and Robert will provide more details on our revenue guidance in his remarks. With this revenue and cost guidance, we expect our first quarter 2019 pretax margin excluding net special items to be between 2.5% and 4.5%. Finally, we anticipate that our earnings per diluted share excluding net special items will be between $5.50 and $7.50 in 2019 and as Doug said, an increase of approximately 40% at the midpoint over our 2018 adjusted earnings per share. This forecast includes our expectations of an incremental $1 billion in revenue improvement and $300 million in cost reductions from the one airline initiative I talked about earlier. We expect total capital expenditures for 2019 of $4.7 billion. This will include $3 billion in aircraft CapEx as we take delivery of 31 new large regional jets to replace 50 seaters along with 37 narrow body aircraft to replace our MD-80 fleet that will retire after the summer and also an additional 287 aircraft. In line with previous guidance, we continue to expect that our non-aircraft CapEx will be $1.7 billion in 2019. Total CapEx is presently expected to fall to $3.3 billion in 2020 and $2.2 billion in 2021 as our fleet renewal program winds down. So looking forward, 2019 will be exciting year for American Airlines. We’re executing more than $1.3 billion of annual revenue improvement and cost revenue initiatives and when combined that with the additional of high margin growth at our most profitable hubs and planned operational improvements, we expect significant earnings growth in 2019. And with that, I will turn it over to Robert.
Robert Isomand:
Thanks, Derek and good morning, everyone. Before I begin, I too would like to thank our team. 2018 was a challenging year for our company as we face rising fuel prices, difficult weather conditions, the uncertainty of trade wars and the early stages of government shutdown. Despite these challenges, our team did a fantastic job of taking care of customers and each other. These are actions most certainly made the difference and demonstrated our resiliency. We’re a team that collaborates, adapts and continues to move forward. So from all of us, thank you again for a job well done. Operationally since the merger, we've been making steady progress in improving our core operating metrics but we fell short in 2018 of our targets. On our last earnings call, we highlighted some of the initiatives we are undertaking, including making the fleet ready to go each morning, making sure that we resource our team to turn aircraft throughout the day. We also continued to evaluate and fine-tune our planning processes to ensure that we are ready to deliver better service during peak schedule periods. These efforts are starting to pay off. During the December holiday period, our system-level on-time departure performance improved by 4.5 points year-over-year and our completion factor improved by 1.3 points. At the hub level, we saw double-digit improvements in on-time departures at Reagan National, New York JFK and LaGuardia and Philadelphia. We also saw 25% improvement in mainline aircraft out of service during that same period. We’re encouraged with the progress we've made thus far and look forward to keeping that going in 2019. We also completed another major integration project in the fourth quarter, the integration of our 27,000 flight attendants. This is an important milestone and our largest and most complicated integration project to-date. It involves program and new work rules and managing complicated pay processes in line with those work rules. Importantly, training schedules and a multitude of other pieces have to work perfectly for this very important team. We’re starting to see the benefits of our flight attendance now that they can fly on any aircraft at our fleet and they also have the flexibility to transfer to different bases. For our customers, we'll be able to recover much more quickly during regular operations as we can inter-mix crews. And for about the company and product attendants, we'll get a lot more efficient with scheduling our aircraft and team members. Switching gears from integration work to product. Throughout 2018, we made great progress improving the overall experience for our customers. We’ve invested $25 billion in our team in our facilities and our product and fleet since we merged five years ago. That $25 billion represents the largest investment of any carrier in the history of commercial aviation in such a short time period. These investments are transforming our product and creating a consistent and reliable airline for this coming year and long into the future. On the product side, we've now activated free live TV on 270 aircraft and we continue to be the only U.S. carrier to offer live television on international flights. We believe our customers want faster and more consistent connectivity for work and to stream entertainment to their mobile devices. Our installations of high-speed Wi-Fi and in-seat power throughout our long-term domestic fleet are on track with 570 mainline narrow body aircraft already complete. All planned narrow bodies will be done by the middle of this year. And if you haven’t experienced the ease and speed of this connectivity, you're in for a terrific experience. In addition, we launched new fresh food items from Zoe's kitchen in our main cabin, and the uptake has been extremely positive. We're also growing our network of flagship first dining and flagship lounges with DFW opening in the second quarter. Our most club network updates are also underway with facility refresh projects in Boston, Charlotte, B Concourse and Pittsburg in the first half of 2019. For network, we had a new international service in 2018 to Reykjavik, Budapest and Prague, which were all very well received by our travel agent and cruise partners. This year we'll continue to play to our network strengths with high margin growth plan for Dallas-Fort Worth and Charlotte hubs. At DFW, we're adding 15 new gates and roughly 100 departures per day. These additional departures will begin in April. And importantly, this capacity will be added into a robust and in first local economy here in Texas, which is one of the fastest growing U.S. markets, both in terms of GDP and wages. We'll also add new transatlantic service to the Tuscany region of Italy, Berlin, Germany and Dubrovnik, Croatia, out of our hub in Philadelphia. And lastly in Washington DC, construction continues on the new regional terminal in DCA. We're expecting completion of that regional terminal in 2021, sounds like a far update it will come quickly and will be ready. Our plans include up-gauging aircraft to further grow this important market. Our global sales and distribution team is executing well in their initiatives, producing overall corporate revenue growth that is outpaced to system revenue growth. We will continue to build and diversify our portfolio of small business accounts that have historic pace, and we're seeing a record number of these small business accounts graduate into entry-level corporate contracts at a rate that is nearly 10 times that of last year. In growing our small business programs, we are not only delivering strong results today but we are also establishing a foundation for growth in the long-term. In addition, we have launched both TripLink and additional international forms of payment to grow direct bookings. For our loyalty program, 2018 marked another year of revenue growth, which grew by high-single digits on a year-over-year basis. We continue to see strong year-over-year growth in advantage program enrollments and cobranded credit card acquisitions. Our 2018 improvements in the Citi Advantage platinum select MasterCard and the launch of the no fee AAdvantage MileUp card provide added value to customers and we're really seeing the revenue benefits of this expanded portfolio. Our Citi platinum and Aviator Red MasterCards remain our most popular cards and the new AAdvantage MileUp card is exceeding our expectations. And our Citi AAdvantage executive card acquisition saw growth as well, reflecting strength across range of card segments. With a record number of co-branded AAdvantage MasterCard acquisitions in 2018, we believe our dual issuer model is delivering attractive choices for our customers. We expect these strong results to continue for our program in 2019. Product segmentation has added another dimension to our business, and our strategy continues to perform very well. In 2018, we added premium economy to more than 100 aircraft out of a total of 124 planned aircraft. American has more aircrafts with premium economies than any other U.S. airline. The average fare for premium economy continues to be twice the coach fare. And when we look at the booking profile for this product, it is clear that customers are buying up from the main cabin. Installations remain on track and we expect them to be complete by this summer. Looking forward, we will further monetize premium economy with new revenue management and merchandising capabilities. Basic economy has also been expanded and we now offer this option across the entire domestic network, as well as most the Atlantic, Caribbean, Mexico and Central America. We have made a number of refinements to the program to ensure that we are competitively considered, including eliminating the carry-on bag restriction. With this change, we are now able to roll out our full range of fares to more than twice as many customers as before. Since this change, the average up-sell rate continues to be around 60%, which has exceeded our initial expectations. In addition, the sell-up amount is increased by $5 and is now approximately $26. All of this is resulted in record fourth quarter revenue of $10.9 billion, up 3% year-over-year. As Derek mentioned, we saw solid growth in other revenues, driven in part by continued strength in co-brand credit card acquisitions and cardholder spend. At our unit revenue basis, total revenue per available seat mile improved 1.7% year-over-year. This marks the ninth consecutive quarter of positive revenue growth for American. When looking across the regions, the Atlantic was the best performing entity for the third consecutive quarter as we are able to grow load factors with only a minor impact on yield. Basic economy is doing well as is premium economy, and we see no impact from Brexit at this point. Moving to land, although slightly negative, we did see quarter to quarter improvements in Argentina, Brazil and Mexico, which is encouraging. Foreign exchange had a negative impact on the quarter of 1.6 points. In the Pacific, the weaker markets got better while the better markets, Japan and Korea, got a little bit worse. We are negatively impacted by the timing of joint business settlements by approximately 2 point and foreign exchange by half of point. Despite very difficult comps, we saw improvements during the quarter in domestic yields, in part due to selling basic economy higher up the fare ladder and expanding into more markets. Looking forward, we are head on load factor each month as we see strong build further from departure. We are excited about our planned growth in DFW, which marks our first opportunity for sizable growth at one of our most profitable hubs since the merger. We faced headwinds in the March quarter of 0.5 point due to Easter shift, 0.7 points due to foreign exchange and 0.7 points from our advantage program, which is due to the big investments we have made over the past year in the program, making it much more valuable to our customers. We significantly increased the inventory available for redemptions in 2018, giving our customers more flexibility to use their miles. The net result of this change is that we'll be deferring more revenue from 2019 for recognition in later years. For the year, we expect the non-cash impact of 0.7. Even with these headwinds, we expect our first quarter year-over-year system TRASM to be up between zero and 2%. As we look forward into 2019, we are excited about what the future holds for American Airlines. Now that most of the distractions of integration are behind us, we are intently focused on running the best operations in America's history, improving our product and capitalizing on our network. We have more than $1 billion in revenue initiatives that we are confident that we will deliver, and we feel really good about how these are shaping up. We will continue to expand premium economy and fine tune how we offer basic economy across our network. We also expect to continue our fleet harmonization project and further optimize how we sell that product. And we expect to become more efficient with more than $300 million in cost initiatives in our plan. All of these initiatives are on track and expected to be earnings accretive this year. We’re excited about the future and look forward to sharing these results as the year progresses. And with that, I would like to turn the call back over to the operator to begin our Q&A session. But first, we are going to give it to Doug.
Doug Parker:
Just before that operator, I just want to let everybody know that in addition to me and Derek and Robert and Dan here, we have a number of handful members of the best leadership team in the world and which include we have Ben Mimmack, Kenji Hashimoto, Elise Eberwein, Maya Leibman, Steve Johnson, Don Casey, Devon May, all here.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. We will take questions from analysts first and then we will take questions from the media [Operator Instructions]. Our first question will come from the line of Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Michael Linenberg:
Two questions here. Robert, just you were talking about basic economy and slowing it up, further up the fare ladder. And I'm just curious what that means? I think in the past, it was in a lower maybe four or five fare buckets. And the $5 improvement in the sell up deference to $26, typically you’re dealing with a very price sensitive customer base at that part of the passenger segment base. Are you finding that that elasticity of demand maybe is less elastic and there's willingness to move up, because it's a much better product, you saw some of those?
Don Casey:
It's Donald Casey. High up the fair ladder just means we get where -- I guess we're just going to up the fare ladder higher. So it does vary from market but we're up about two -- on average about two inventories from we were about four months ago. As for elasticity at $5 fare increase that's we have in market right now. With that $5 fare increase, we've actually seen the sell up remain quite constant. So we don't think we've hit a point where the sell up amount is deterring people from buying up.
Michael Linenberg:
And then just second question on cost when you talk about your cost outlook for 2019, you call out that it doesn’t include any labor agreements. What is it, are we down -- what is it one other labor group that has to get done. Is that -- I just want an update on that?
Don Casey:
Our IAM TWU negotiations, which represent a number of workers, largest of those are mechanics and fleet service works. Those are with the NMB right now and mediatory conversations, that's the only joint collected bargaining still to be done, Mike. It's been long enough into the merger that we're getting close to amendable dates on our products, employees, and as both of those become amendable toward one of them, one of them in December of this year and the other in January of 2020.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joseph DeNardi with Stifel. Your line is open.
Joseph DeNardi :
Robert, you mentioned the growth strategy focus in DFW and that's your highest margin hub. I'm wondering if you guys could maybe quantify that a little bit more, you've quantified it before by lumping it in with DCA and Charlotte. But can you get more granular and just tell us what the operating margin at DFW was or pretax margin was in 2018? I think that would help investors better appreciate why your growth is doing what it's doing?
Derek Kerr:
Just first off in terms of a little bit more granularity of our planned growth for this next year the roughly 3% growth year-over-year, DFW represents about two thirds of that. And so we're really pleased with that. And when you take a look at hub profitability, DFW, Charlotte, DCA, those are all our most profitable hubs. And so we see ourselves growing into incredible strength, and really look forward to be able take this opportunity. And I mentioned that this is really our first chance to grow one of our most profitable hubs. It's still keyed on having these additional gates. So we're really happy to get to this point and it's going to be mean big things for the company.
Doug Parker:
So anyway we don’t make a habit of disclosing profitability by hub, it's one we haven’t done that historically but also it varies a lot by time of year. But nonetheless what Robert said is where we are is certainly one of our more profitable hubs, certainly in terms of size and also the margins are well above the system average. We did at one point but its slide the other, which I know most of our investors have seen. I talked about the margins of those three hubs versus the rest of the system and anyway, that's we're trying keep doing that.
Derek Kerr:
DFW is twice the system average.
Doug Parker:
So anyways, it is definitely above system average. And again we're going to this -- we like other airlines when you add flights into those types of hubs they tend to come on at above system average margins as opposed to at marginal profitability.
Joseph DeNardi :
And then Derek, I don’t want to beat you up too much on this. But I do feel like on the last call, there was some commentary that CapEx in 2020 wouldn’t exceed 3 and wouldn’t exceed 2 and now it seems like it is going to be higher. Can you just talk about what's driving some of that and whether this current CapEx outlook is firm at this point and investors can assume what you guys have guided to is actually going to materialize? Thank you.
Derek Kerr:
No, it’s a fair question. We did right after the call at our last call, we had an option on 15 large RJs that we had not completed at that point in time and we didn't talk about it. So the real increase in 2020 is the 15 large RJs that will pretty close to max out our large RJ scope, so we don't expect any more. They will replace 50 seaters that are out there. So it's not for growth, because we have a number of regional aircraft that we can have. So that is the only one item that is out there that we had left for us. So I think we are pretty firm on 2020, 2021 where we're at from a CapEx number, but that wasn’t an increase from where we said before, and it was 15 regional jets coming in 2020 timeframe.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker with JPMorgan. Your line is open.
Jamie Baker:
First one for Robert or Don, the comment about outperforming your network competitors on RASM this year, I don’t want to get into a modeling exercise here. But since the first quarter guide is in fact no different than Delta or United. Can you give us some color on what period you do expect to start overtaking the competition? I understand the $1 billion figure I guess. I guess I just don't understand what buckets phase in and when? For example, how much is the credit card step up contributing to that, any additional color?
Doug Parker:
We're very confident about the ready initiatives that we have and how that revenue flows in during the course of the year. We're also going to benefit in 2019 from either comps year-over-year, which were a drag on our performance this year. And so I think that goes back to -- and our investment in Dallas, I think it's going to be one of the big drivers of improvement for us and that doesn’t start until we get into the summer.
Jamie Baker:
And then for Derek or possibly Doug, can you give us a little bit more color as to how the full year capacity plan emerged. Specifically were you meaningfully above or below the 3% number at any point? What influenced the 3% outcome? Or put differently, did the marketing department or fleet planning potentially wield more influence on that? Just any genesis as to how the 3% came about would be useful.
Doug Parker:
I can step in on that. We grow, we take advantage of opportunities that we think are beneficial for the airline overall. As I said before, we're going to take advantage of opportunities, both in DFW and in Charlotte and DFW, two thirds of the overall growth. As you break down the rest of the growth, it's departures and into devices we think make a lot of sense. We have got some gauge that fits into that as well. And the reallocation of international flying as we talked about the restructuring of our international network is what results in the level that we're projecting for this coming year. So we're really confident that this is the right plan for American taking advantage of the assets that we have and well within our ability to execute on.
Jamie Baker:
Well, just humor me then. If we were to roll back fuel prices and roll back your thought process to that of let's call the first week of October and where jet fuel has been. Would 3% still what you were thinking for 2019 at that point?
Derek Kerr:
This is Derek the level of ops was put together in September, October timeframe has not changed since the fuel prices changed. So that did not impact where we are from a capacity perspective.
Operator:
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Rajeev Lalwani with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Doug, a question for you just on the '19 earnings guide. How do we get comfortable that you're not capturing the best of all worlds' in the guide? I mean, you've got lower fuel but then you've relatively steady RASM going forward, CASM continuing to get better. So I guess overall I mean, I think history shown us sell lower fuel leads to much weaker revenues as timing evolves, but you’re showing that. So just trying to get comfortable with what you’re putting out there I guess.
Doug Parker:
First of all, its forecasting airline earnings a year out we all know and we certainly learned. It has a lot of variability on it. So we put some variability and what we did is provided what we believe is for our investors our best guess at this point about where we’re going to come in. And we feel quite comfortable with it we wouldn’t have done it otherwise, as it relates to the point about fuel prices falling when fuel prices so do revenues. I would just note again what Derek just said. We haven’t changed any of our capacity plans, because fuel prices are lower. I think it's important to replay what drives airline changes in capacity driven by fuel prices, and this doesn’t feel anything like what maybe you've experienced in recent terms at least to us. We all know that back in 2015 actually oil prices have been over $100 for five years they fell down to $45, $50. And when they stayed there for a while when you see that kind of a change in the fuel price, you’re going to see capacity coming in as you should. The cost of production drop that much, profitability goes up and production goes up. So that doesn’t seem irrational, never seen irrational at the time. What’s happened here is having stayed that level for whatever it was two and half to three years in the $45 to $50 range, oil prices ramped pretty quickly. Through 2017 and '18, we got at levels around $80 a barrel per Brent and above. And the industry was somewhat getting itself well at those levels, but not all the way and now it's corrected some of it but not nearly all of it. So I’m not suggesting that this is going to correct all the way. What I’m pointing out is simply this fall from -- I know these are rounded number here but from $80 barrel Brent to $60 barrel Brent, I don't think it makes -- I know for American Airlines it doesn't a wit of difference on how much where we are going to fly. I don’t think it makes a wit of difference for the industry, frankly, because we hadn’t got our self adjusted to run up to 80 and it falls back to 60 I think. I don’t think it makes sense to make huge adjustments in revenue, but that’s our view.
Rajeev Lalwani:
And then a quick follow-up on that capacity side, and I think Jamie was asking about this earlier. So previously you had talked about sub GDP capacity growth, I think most of us were assuming 1% to 2% and now you’re coming in at 3%, which is guess is GDP plus, maybe my general assumptions are incorrect. But can you just walk me through what changed if something did in fact changed?
Doug Parker:
I think Derek just said it doesn’t change, and there are GDP estimates out there that certainly 3% and higher. So to the extent we produce the number other than what we announced today and this is right in line with what we've been thinking all along. And again, I would note, given where we're growing, we feel really comfortable with this level of growth.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.
Hunter Keay :
I do want to continue on this line a little bit that Jamie brought up as well. And Dough, before -- you guys just said you're going to grow less than competitors, and now you are saying you're going to grow RASM more than competitors. And I appreciate that shift and that is a change. I'm hoping fuel prices aside for a second. Is there any change to how you guys are thinking about capacity in the context of market share and maybe are you kind of line of sight on better ops, you feel better about maybe, I don’t know, let's say, sticking-up for yourself. But maybe being a little bit more tactically aggressive in keeping some share or it does make sense to do it, because again that change the drop of growing less than and now growing RASM than more than, is it changed. I'm wondering kind of what drove that language difference.
Doug Parker:
You said RASM, you mean ASMs?
Hunter Keay:
Yes, you said you are going to grow ASMs less now you're saying you're going to grow RASM more. So it's a change. And I'm just kind of curious just to know what drove that language difference…
Doug Parker:
I don’t think that’s a change, but anyway I'll try again. So we have I believe consistently we've said that we believe where American Airlines is we have a largely mature network. And you should expect to see us grow at certainly domestically kind of in line with GDP growth. And that's what we've been doing. And this 3% number is not, I don’t think dramatically different than that to the extent you assume there was something different in that. And any, we didn’t mean to suggest anything other than that. We have not changed that number from the time we started producing level of ops as Derek said, six or nine months ago. So that hasn’t been a change and indeed I think is entirely consistent with what we've said, which is we expect to grow somewhat in line with U.S. GDP growth. And also we did say, we think that's lower than we're seeing at competitor and that’s certainly the case, and maybe a competitor that maybe a little bit lower than that, that’s how we know if that's the case. But if we're not the lowest we're the second lowest at this number. So all of that seems entirely consistent to me with what we said in the past. We haven't made any changes to our capacity growth based upon anything other than where we see growth capabilities. And I can't stress enough the fact that when you get 10 gates at a hub -- 15 gates at Dallas-Fort Worth that's a huge growth opportunity. But despite that, we're growing in line with or maybe modestly higher depending on what your GDP estimates are in line with GDP.
Derek Kerr:
And I'll just add that our growth it's being funded by improved density from up-gauges and improved aircraft utilization.
Doug Parker:
And then the piece I was looking, Hunter, in RASM is growing faster. I don’t think -- the fact that -- at those levels of capacity growth, we do believe that our unit revenues will still grow faster than the industries, because of the initiatives we have in place. But those are -- I don’t think that's inconsistent, Hunter.
Hunter Keay:
No, it's not. Again, I didn’t mean for the question to be negative. Again, and this is just my -- I guess I'll just ask a true follow-up. Again, I'm just wondering if there's been a change in philosophy about how you're thinking about growth in the context of what's happening in the industry. I'm not saying your plan change, fuel or whatever. Are you just going to say like we're going to sort of start punching a little bit harder here and fight for what's ours and fight for share that we think we deserve? And philosophically, how you are thinking about that in the context of what's going in the broader competitive industry. And it's not that anything has changed with the plan, just philosophically, how you are thinking about capacity growth going forward.
Doug Parker:
Hunter, look we go back to look where a global hub and spoke airline, our greatest assets are our hubs and you will see us take advantage of opportunities in our hubs. And we are going to be incredibly competitive everywhere. The one thing I will say as well is I think we are being smart with how we deploy capacity as well and taking advantage of the dynamics of our hubs as well. So some of the things that you may see going forward is that from a seasonal perspective, some of the hubs Phoenix, Chicago performed better at certain points of the year than otherwise. And so you will see us flex to take maximum advantage of those opportunities. And the good news is that as we push for fleet commonality, as we have rationalized our regional partners and reduced sub fleets, as we have gotten through integration and now can make full use of our team, you are going to see us be very smart about making sure we take advantage of opportunities throughout the year.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore. Your line is open.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
So just this EPS guidance is a relatively new experience for airlines and I am wondering if you could reflect on 2019, the execution versus that guidance, what are the lessons learned and how did that impact your guidance and your plans for 2019?
Doug Parker:
I don’t think it's a secret, we reluctantly --. We were reluctant participants in this exercise, feeling really strongly that we think the best thing for us to do for our shareholders is not to try and project what the earnings are going to be but rather go run our business best we can and tell you what our plans are and let you do that. But also understand that it's important to a number of our shareholders that we at least give them more guidance in that. And as other airlines started giving full year EPS guidance, we chose to do as well. So we like you are somewhat -- as you say are somewhat new to this. Our experience last year was we ended up having to, which we adjusted downward a couple of times, which of course you don’t like to do that was each time there was a reason. Given that again it seems logical, at the time had we known it, we wouldn’t have the numbers as high as they were. So anyway, that’s -- I don't know how other to explain it other than to say we are our best given the experience, I'll tell you this. We've certainly worked to make sure that we have a wide enough range that we feel comfortable, because we don’t want to actually adjust it again and hope that we don’t need to so we come up with a pretty wide range, but also done our best to give you a number that we feel really confident. And certainly last years' experience weighed on where we decided to set that guidance, because we don't want to have that experience again, no guarantee we won't but we don’t want to.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
And then just for my follow-up, one of your peers has started to break out percent of revenue generated from premium products, and basically revenue away from the main cabin and the implied higher growth embedded in those initiatives. Have you studied that disclosure at all and would it make sense for American also? Thanks for taking the questions.
Doug Parker:
We have looked at it. We in the fourth quarter I think had a slightly different metric just looking at premium cabin performance. Premium cabin performance actually drove about a third of our overall unit revenue growth in the fourth quarter.
Derek Kerr:
And Duran, this is Derek. We looked at it as we go into 2019. And maybe something that we break out further, it's not easy to put things in all these buckets. But we will look at it more in 2019 to determine whether we want to break out the P&L little bit further.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is open.
Helane Becker:
So two questions. One, can you say what the biggest bucket is in terms of the billion dollars in incremental revenue this year. And my second question if you pulled your customers, what would there number one compliant be about the airline and how are you addressing that?
Doug Parker:
So the biggest bucket is really what we're doing in terms of segmentation, so basic and premium economy are the two largest drivers. Then as we take a look in that billion dollars, we've talked about big opportunities within segmentation. We've talked about big opportunities within merchandising. Those we hope are willing to start kicking in later in the year. And the final bucket that we see a lot of opportunities is network, and we've talk about DFW and getting to 900 departures but as well that involves restructuring the network and making sure that we're putting aircraft where they want to go. In terms of the customer feedback, we know what the biggest point of concerning issue with our customers and that is they want a reliable airline, they want to be certain that they are getting what they paid for. And so from that perspective as we take a look at our goals for the coming year that is top of mind everywhere. And for us its upside, we didn’t perform as well as we wanted to in 2018. We expect to reverse that very quickly. And we're pleased with the kind of things were seeing, especially over the holiday season and as we get into January.
Helane Becker:
So can you say, Robert, if your net promoter score again proved, let’s say if you did it in January of '19 versus maybe July of '18?
Doug Parker:
No. So we have a lot of internal metrics and we have likelihood to recommend scores. And we weren’t pleased with our likelihood to recommend scores. As a matter of fact, our own internal measures show they fell year-over-year for the first time in a number of years. And when you trace that back, it's certainly not due to the product that we've -- the investments that we've made in the product. People are very pleased with what they're getting in terms of service and in terms of the amenities and fleet and airports. But if you’re not as reliable as you should be, as you want to be that has a negative impact overall. And so the good news on that and what we have seen is that when you do get back to the reliability that we aspire to things turn really quickly and we'll be able to take advantage of all those investments that we've made.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question Catherine O' Brian with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Catherine O' Brian:
Maybe just one more on your comments about outperforming your peers on RASM this year. Could you talk about maybe like the one or two biggest drivers of that, help us size and help us to think about how they ran through the year. Is a lot of Dallas? Are we thinking more about premium economy? Just any color there would be really helpful.
Don Casey:
The two big things that are going to drive through really is DFW and the investment we're going to make in DFW in terms of the incremental flying and the relative revenue performance in DFW versus the rest of the system. The second one is just the merchandising capabilities, which we're going to be bringing online during the course of the year, which is one of our big revenue initiatives for 2019. And the reality is we're going to be helped a little bit this year on comps, they were a headwind in 2018 they'll be a bit of a tailwind in 2019.
Catherine O' Brian:
So it sounds like maybe we will start to see that outperformance pick-up starting second quarter on?
Don Casey:
That's correct.
Catherine O' Brian:
And then maybe just one more. So some of your peers know they were incorporating weakness across the Atlantic into their March quarter guide. Are you seeing the same thing and are you incorporating that guidance? And then how should we think about the ringing of your RASM by geography, going forward?
Don Casey:
So we look at the Atlantic, we expect -- Atlantic has been very strong. We had a -- it was our best-performing entity in the fourth quarter. We expect really a modest deceleration in our Atlantic performance in the first quarter, driven in large part due to additional of headwinds related to currency. Domestic, we've had very strong yield growth in large part to the expansion of the basic economy to more markets, as well as other price increases. We've seen strong corporate demand. Our negotiated corporate revenue domestically is up 10%, led by our professional services. And we're expecting kind of similar performance in 1Q '19, and that includes the impact we've seen to-date of the government shutdown and the impact of the Easter shift. In LATAM, we ended the quarter with modestly negative unit revenue growth, driven by our long haul operations. Although, we did see in the quarter that Brazil and Argentina did improve on a quarter-to-quarter basis and we're pleased with this given the currency and capacity environments in those markets. Mexico also improved quarter-to-quarter and positive unit revenue in the fourth quarter. And we saw demand recover, but the pricing environment in Mexico overall is still a bit soft. Caribbean was positive and had positive unit revenue growth, and we've experienced very, very strong unit revenue growth for last seven quarters, so a little well positive, not quite as positive on a quarter-to-quarter basis that’s still expected to be positive going forward. And LATAM overall, in the fourth quarter, we had 1.6 points of headwind with currency. As we look forward to LATAM, we expect similar trends going forward with currency being an additional 0.5 point of headwind as we head into 2019. Encouraging for us is capacity in Brazil. We'll benefit from our own capacity reductions in Brazil in the first quarter. And as we head into the second quarter, the industry has taken out a material amount of seats. Pacific unit revenues slightly negative with Hong Kong, Japan and Korea all positive, although, not quite as strong quarter-to-quarter compared to third quarter of '18; China and South Pacific, although negative we are improving; and we expect Pacific to be the strongest performing quarter-to-quarter entity in the first quarter of '19.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Kevin Crissey with Citi Group. Your line is open.
Kevin Crissey:
If we could step back and talk about costs over time and the big picture. I've been a bit disappointed not seeing a better cost trajectory post merger. I know there were certainly some labor contracts catch up and that adds inflation. But I would've thought that they'd be pulled out post merger considering. I think a couple of percent CASM mix increase on a 3% capacity growth is kind of normal inflation for an airline, maybe its slightly lower, but not as low as I would expect post a merger. Can you talk about why there hasn’t been more opportunity on the cost side there?
Doug Parker:
This is Doug and Derek can chime in. Again, I encourage you all get the details. We go through the details with Derek. Some of this is just depreciation expense and things like that that are driving these costs and timing of maintenance and other issues. But to your larger point, first off the labor issues is you already noted it, but can't ignore it. I mean we came out of a merger with the world's largest airline and a phenomenal group of team members who are working for the less than their peers at other airlines and that’s -- we can't run an airline that way, nor should we ask our people to. So we've certainly had some increases in labor costs. We have largely closed those gaps versus our competitor airlines but that drove very large expense increases at American Airlines. And again, the expense increase is that we actually feel good about, because we needed to do that in order to produce -- to build the airline we want to build. Otherwise our costs again it's harder to address the qualitative response like that without a detailed response. But in general, what we know is we have gone through an effort led by Derek to go pull out expenses and it's been really successful. We had a relatively painful reduction in the management team around here and in the prior and the last year. And we will continue to do those things. What we know is if we weren’t doing those things, well that number may not seem exciting to you, it would be about $300 million higher than it would have been otherwise without this work. So we continue to work at it and we will continue to work at it, but we feel really good about the cost discipline that we have instilled in American Airlines. Once we got to the point that we have our team being compensated in line with our peers.
Kevin Crissey:
And maybe for Robert, you talked about the growth in the most profitable hubs. Can you talk about the actions you're taking in your less profitable hubs?
Robert Isom:
So that goes back to one of the comments made a little bit earlier. We are trying to be really smart about how we deploy capacity. So when we take a look at a hub perspective, we can now that we have got a lot of the integration behind us and certainly a lot more fleet commonality, we can take a look at Chicago during the summer, and it being really healthy for us at that point in time. And then at other points of the season, take a look at Phoenix and Miami, which can perform better. We've mentioned things about what we're doing with our international network. So from a China perspective, we've made some adjustments in our network there and have been redeploying assets to where they're most profitable. We have been taking a look at making sure that we're maximizing our opportunities with our joint business partners as well. So from a whole perspective, we're incredibly competitive in each of our hubs but we’re making sure that we use them for what they do best for American. And you see that with the growth that’s coming in DFW, you will see it with the growth that’s coming next year in Charlotte and you'll see it when we get the regional terminal done in DCA the following year and our ability to up-gauge there. The plans that we have in place I think for this coming year in Phoenix, Philly, Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, they are well at tuned to what we can do best at this year.
Operator:
We have time for one more question from our analyst before moving on to media. And our last analyst question will come from Brandon Oglenski with Barclays. Your line is now open.
Brandon Oglenski:
I guess, Doug or Robert, I think the market wants to believe here, I mean your stocks trading at 5 PE. If you can start to show some relative margin traction, I think people will be pretty impressed. But if we look at 2018, I mean, you guys lagged your network competitors that you want to benchmark against capacity and RASM here pretty significantly. And if I go back to 2017 analyst meeting, we had pretty big revenue initiatives plotted for 2018 I think which were above a $1 billion too. So I guess what sense of urgency does the organization have this year to really deliver on that billion dollar revenue target? Or is this just something where circumstances are going to dictate that maybe like to push out again?
Robert Isom:
Those initiatives we delivered primarily almost all in. Basically the economy actually didn’t as it sorted out competitively didn't deliver the level of value that we had expected that would be. But the urgency has been high, remains high and we remain excited. The fact that our revenues didn't perform as well as some of our peers in 2018 is a combination of largely the fact where we fly. I'd point out again that when the performance in Latin America, particularly South America where we are much larger than our competitors versus they had a big impact on that number. And then in relation to one of them, of course they did a really nice job of getting an airline that wasn’t performing particularly well performing well. But if you look on two years over two years against that airline, we're still -- our RASM is still up more than any of it. So the issue becomes more of an issue of some concerning to us is when you look to the fact that RASM versus Delta that was -- that have been closing every year since the merger widened in 2018, again, a lot of that’s Latin America. But also as we look at it, the initiatives that Robert and Don described are some areas that they've done -- they're a little bit of ahead us. They merged well ahead of us. They've done a nice job. But things like the ability to get sell up into more channels and to more customers is something that we will be doing before too long has allowed them to widen that gap. So we're running full force, have been running full force. We'll continue to do an amazing job. But because of all those things, as we head into 2018, we remain confident in saying that we believe that in 2018, our unit revenue will outpace our competitors. But again, that's a forecast and it's dependent also upon what they do. But we said that last three quarters now, because we feel really good about where we are positioned not less -- more of a comment on where we are versus where they are and to the extent that they are doing things we don’t know that may or may not be the case. But I did want to let our investors know that what we saw in '18 as our RASM declining versus our competitors for the first time in a few years wasn’t something that we expect to continue.
Operator:
Thank you. This concludes our analyst question-and-answer-session. We will now take questions from the media. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. And our first question will come from the line of Marry Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News. Your line is open.
Mary Schlangenstein :
Can you guys talk about any financial impact from the government shutdown, Southwest and Delta have both put a number on that at least for the month of January. Can you talk about what you are seeing?
Don Casey:
We have seen some impact, but there is a lot of uncertainty as to what's going happen going forward. So we have not yet put a dollar value on it. But what we've seen today it is included in our guidance for the first quarter.
Mary Schlangenstein:
And can you talk about what you are seeing. Is it just basically a decline in government -- business travel and government contactors travelling?
Don Casey:
It's a bit of softness in 0 to 14 day travel.
Mary Schlangenstein :
And Don can you also talk a little bit about what your yields on closing business travel are looking like this first quarter? Are they higher than a year ago, or are they staying strong?
Don Casey:
We saw in the fourth quarter quite strong yields and actually the last two quarters in our 0 to 6 and 7 to 13 day booking windows, and we would expect that to continue going forward.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Tangel with The Wall Street Journal. Your line is open.
Andrew Tangel :
A question on the shutdown as well this week unions for aircraft controllers, pilots and flight attendants are someday longer over the shutdowns effects on the U.S. aviation system and raised questions about safety and that would be entire system because at some point break. How concerned are you about that right now? And are you all seeing signs of stress or worry or any operational issues at this point?
Robert Isom:
First-off, our team in conjunction with our partners both at the FAA and from a security perspective TSA were always going to make the right decision for the safety and security of our team members and our customers. So there is no doubt, no lack of confidence in what we have in front of us. That said, we don't need distractions, we need people to be at work and confident and taking care of, and we do that at American with our team and we need to get our partners in a situation where they feel similarly confident in being taken care of.
Doug Parker:
To Roberts point, our business is so focused on safety that to the extent there are fewer TSA people are fewer air traffic controllers. What tends to happen is you get long lines at TSA, but still the same level of scrutiny. You get larger separation of aircraft, so you have delayed air space. It was really concerning to us. So that's what we feared may happen. We want to thank all the people at TSA and all of our air traffic controllers who are showing us without actually getting pay checks and taking care of our team, taking care of flying public, it's phenomenal what they're doing we appreciate what they're doing. And we would encourage our government to get them to a position where these hard-working people would be paid for what they're doing.
Andrew Tangel :
And as a follow up on something Don said, I'm going to go with reference to the quarter one outlook. You cited the potential for zero growth in the first quarter unit revenue to the government shutdown. Overall, are you all -- the shutdown aside or potential including the shutdowns. Are you all seeing any signs of an economic slowdown or any early signs of recession, any difficulty raising fares in the main cabin or premium seats or anything of that nature?
Don Casey:
And just to clarify I guess I'm not sure what your comment just about zero growth related to the government shutdown. We haven’t really put a number on the government shutdown. And it is included in our guidance, which is 0% to 2%. So we are expecting positive unit revenue growth in the first quarter. As for looking at the rest of the business whether we are seeing any slowdown in bookings anywhere in the system, we are not. Our corporate demand continues to be strong and our held load factor position going forward is up materially on a year-over-year basis.
Operator:
And our next question comes from the line of Leslie Josephs with CNBC. Your line is open.
Leslie Josephs:
On the corporate demand just to clarify. You said that it's higher this year than last year at the same point for January. I'm just trying to gauge the shutdown impact, and what there was I didn’t catch that. And the other question is, are you still committed to flying to Venezuela?
Don Casey:
Corporate revenues so far this year have been up month to date. As far as Venezuela goes, we fly three times a day there and we intend to continue our service. It’s a relatively small part of our business. It's 0.2% of our overall system revenue.
Leslie Josephs:
And then the shutdown, the impact you said bit of softness in the zero to 14 to day yields?
Don Casey:
That is correct.
Leslie Josephs:
But no dollar impacts that you are seeing so far?
Don Casey:
We are not going to disclose a dollar impact. We will look at it after the government gets back to where it can figure out how impactful it was.
Operator:
Our next question comes from the line of Tracy Rucinski from Reuters. Your line is open.
Tracy Rucinski:
I wanted to ask about China. I have seen some data out of China that shows that 20% decline in outbound traffic to the United States in the third quarter of 2018. Have you seen any decline in inbound traffic from China, particularly for shorter states?
Don Casey:
We have not. Now, we did take some capacity actions in China and we ended up suspending service from Chicago, Shanghai and Beijing, which probably helps us a bit more. But our advanced load factor in China looks fine.
Tracy Rucinski:
So no impact from the ongoing trade…
Don Casey:
We don’t see any impact right now in our business.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Biers with AFP. Your line is open.
John Biers:
Are you worried that there could be a hit related to the shutdown, either from people who are worried about safety, because of things like what the unions are saying about air traffic controllers and so forth or because they are worried about the delays to the system that the extra half-full of traveling? Just looking forward, is this something that could really hit demand in 2019?
Doug Parker:
Again, we would just encourage the government to get reopened, so that people can get paid. And there are customers who can rest assured that they won't be waiting in long lines or face delays. At the airport because of air traffic controllers that can't afford to show forth, that’s what needs to happen. Demand remains strong and this is certainly not a long-term demand issue. Our government presumably will reopen again one day and hopefully not before too long. So it's certainly been long enough we’re putting strain on people who have been working now without -- for missing a couple of paychecks and that will at some point result in people not being at work. When we don’t have enough TSA agents, you will see longer lines. We don’t have enough ATC controllers you will see more delays in aerospace. Those will be bad things. So far everybody's been phenomenal about doing it. We’re concerned but we haven’t seen any drop off in demand other than the moderate softness Don talked about in Slide 14, because it travelled during the shutdown itself. But demand for air travel remains strong, people are flying and I suspect they will continue to want to fly as we get the government opened up again.
Don Casey:
And remarkably, people are doing a fantastic job of keeping the aircraft and airports moving. And so, we're really confident in what we’ve seen so far in terms of operations and thankful to all those that are doing their jobs.
Operator:
Thank you. And we have time for one more question. Our last question comes from Robert Silk with Travel Weekly. Your line is open.
Robert Silk :
Can you tell me if you all have any plan and NDC initiatives plan in the coming year and what those might be if you do?
Don Casey:
We do have plans. We've announced them to the marketplace. And we continue to plan to expand our NDC offering. Now, our approach to this is to improve the product offering that we’re able to deliver through NDC. So that our agency partners are able to service customers more effectively and that's our focus going forward.
Robert Silk :
Will you work in -- increase for the channels that you worked through NDC, more direct connects or more -- or going through any of these exchanges I should say or any of these approaches?
Don Casey:
Well, I mean, again our plan is to continue to expand the use of NDC with everyone that is interested because we think we're going to be able to deliver more product and better products to their customers.
Doug Parker:
Thanks operator. Thanks everyone for your interest, and thanks in particular to the American Airlines team for taking care of each other and our customers. We're excited for 2019 and we appreciate your interest. Thanks.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.
Executives:
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc. William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc. Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc. Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc. Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc. Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc. Elise R. Eberwein - American Airlines Group, Inc.
Analysts:
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc. J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc. Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc. Helane Becker - Cowen & Co. LLC Kevin Crissey - Citi Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc. Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc. Andrew Tangel - The Wall Street Journal Conor Shine - The Dallas Morning News, Inc. David Koenig - The Associated Press Leslie Josephs - CNBC John Biers - Agence-France Presse Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP Ted Reed - Forbes Media LLC Robert Silk - Travel Weekly
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines third quarter 2018 earnings call. Today's conference call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. And now, I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, and good morning, everyone. And welcome to the American Airlines Group third quarter 2018 earnings conference call. Joining us on the call this morning is Doug Parker, Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Finance Officer. Also in the room for a question-and-answer session are several of our senior executives, including Maya Leibman, Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; Elise Eberwein
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Dan. Thanks everyone for joining us. Today, we reported third quarter 2018 pre-tax profit of $688 million, excluding net special items. Those results include our highest ever revenue performance, thanks to our 130,000 hard-working team members. But unfortunately, a rising fuel prices outpaced that increase in revenues. Higher jet fuel prices alone increased our quarterly expenses by over $750 million versus the same quarter last year. And therefore, our pre-tax earnings, excluding specials for the quarter, were $485 million lower than the third quarter 2017. The declining earnings has been met with a declining stock price, which neither we nor our investors are happy about. The good news is, we're extremely bullish on the future of American and for good reason. This disconnect between the stock price and our view of the future seems to us like a buying opportunity, and we're happy to be here to talk to you all about it. So, look, there are five reasons that we're so bullish. First, we have extensive revenue initiatives underway that are expected to bring more than $1 billion in revenue improvements to American in 2019 versus 2018. Importantly, the drivers of this value are not share shift because of a better product like new airplanes or industry-leading Wi-Fi or world-class clubs and lounges, though we certainly believe some upside exist in that regard. This is a value that'll happen as we simply execute against known projects such as project segmentation, fleet reconfiguration and international network restructuring. Second, and we also expect about $300 million in cost improvements in 2019 versus this year. That's the result of our One Airline project, which has been expanded and accelerated in light of higher fuel costs and Derek will discuss that further. Third, we have the opportunity to grow where we have a real competitive advantage. We have, what we believe, will be the lowest growth plans in the industry for 2019, but we also have what we believe are the best growth prospects. We have 15 gates opening at our largest and most profitable hub in Dallas/Fort Worth in early 2019. We have routes in and out of Dallas/Fort Worth that will immediately generate higher than average profitability versus the marginal profitability that airline growth usually generates. Fourth, we're dedicated to improving our operating reliability. And we've been steadily improving the operating reliability of American according to plan in each year since our merger in late 2013. But that trend changed in the summer of 2018, and we backed (00:05:04) a little bit. As Robert will discuss, we've rededicated ourselves to producing the best operational reliability since our merger in 2019 and that's our top corporate priority. The work has already begun showing some great results, so this is an even more upside for 2019. And then fifth, we are nearing the end of our major post-merger capital expenditure requirement. Our capital expenditures in American have averaged $5.3 billion per year in the five years since the merger. That over $25 billion is by far the most any carrier has invested in its fleet, product and team in the history of commercial aviation. And the result is a valuable set of assets that'll serve our shareholders well for decades to come. And we're going to spend a little under $5 billion in 2019 as we have one more aircraft order to fund. But after that, we're largely done with the backlog. And our CapEx drops precipitously to approximately $3 billion in 2020, $2 billion in 2021 and we expect it will remain in the $2 billion to $3 billion range thereafter. So, because of all of those items, we're excited about our near and long-term future. We're confident that American will return to revenue outperformance and earnings growth in 2019 and beyond. Now, it sounds like we're extremely optimistic because we are, but please don't mistake confidence for indifference. We're extremely focused on results and execution and completing the hard work necessary to deliver this value. We've just happen to be confident it will happen because we know we have the right plan in place and the right people to deliver it. We look forward to proving that over time. And with that, I'll turn it over to Derek and Robert.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Okay, thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. Before I begin, I'd like to recognize and thank our team who have had to contend with some very challenging weather conditions during the quarter. Their hard work and willingness to go above and beyond on behalf of our passengers in some very difficult circumstances is appreciated by us all. We filed our third quarter earnings press release and 10-Q this morning. While this was another profitable quarter for American Airlines, earnings were lower due primarily to a 38% increase in average fuel cost per gallon. Excluding net special items, we reported a net profit of $523 million in 2018 versus our 2017 net profit of $729 million, which included a negative impact to pre-tax earnings from Hurricane Florence for approximately $50 million. Our diluted earnings per share, excluding net special items in the third quarter of 2018, was $1.13 per share, and excluding net special items our third quarter pre-tax profit was $688 million with a pre-tax margin of 6%. Our total operating revenues were 5.4% to $11.6 billion, the highest third quarter revenue in American Airlines' history. On a unit revenue basis, total revenue per ASM was up 2.6% and this was the eighth consecutive quarter in which we achieved positive unit revenue growth. Passenger revenues were $10.6 billion, a 4.6% improvement driven in part by a 2.2% improvement in yields. The third quarter saw another excellent performance by our cargo organization. For the third quarter, cargo revenue was $260 million, a 16.4% improvement year-over-year driven primarily by a 12.1% improvement in yields. Other revenues were up 14.5% driven primarily by continued strength in our loyalty program. Total operating expenses were $10.9 billion, up 12.4%. The primary driver of this increase was the higher fuel price, I mentioned earlier, which drove approximately $750 million of year-over-year incremental expense. As a result, consolidated cost per ASM was up 9.4% year-over-year. In this increasing fuel cost environment, we continue to make the reduction of non-fuel cost a priority. When we initially provided guidance on our third quarter of 2018 back in January, we projected that fuel would be at approximately $2.10 a gallon and at CASM excluding fuel and special items would increase by approximately 1.5% on ASM growth of close to 4%. As fuel cost increased throughout the year, we worked to eliminate non-essential costs from the organization while at the same time optimizing our network and focusing on reducing unprofitable capacity. As a result of these efforts, our third quarter consolidated CASM excluding fuel and special items was up only 0.8% year-over-year on an over 100-basis-point reduction in system capacity growth to 2.7%. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with approximately $7.4 billion in total available liquidity. During the quarter, our treasury team completed several transactions including a $500 million upsize of our London Heathrow term loan as well as securing financing for certain 2019 aircraft deliveries. We now have financing for all mainline aircraft deliveries through June of 2019. In addition, the company made $156 million contribution to its defined benefit plans. For the year, we have made $467 million in pension contributions. One benefit of the rising interest rate environment is that it reduces our pension liability, which all else being equal, will lower future pension funding obligations and improve our free cash position in the medium to long-term. As of today, we estimate our GAAP liability has reduced by $2 billion from the start of the year and our 2019 cash contribution has reduced by about $110 million to $780 million based on year-to-date asset performance. We have lowered our adjusted debt including pensions by $743 million since the beginning of the year. Now that our fleet renewal program is winding down, we continue to believe that our 2018 year-end adjusted debt will be lower than at the end of the third quarter and we expect that over the next few years this trend will continue as we naturally de-lever the company. We did not repurchase any stock during the third quarter, leaving our available authorization for stock buybacks unchanged at $1.65 billion. The fact that we did not repurchase any stock is not due to a change in our belief that the stock is undervalued. As we have consistently said, our priorities for our use of cash are
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Derek, and good morning, everybody. In October, we successfully completed our largest integration project to date, moving all 27,000 American flight attendants into one scheduling system. The benefits and efficiencies we'll gain are wide-reaching. Our flight attendants are no longer limited to flying on their legacy carrier's aircraft, and will have the flexibility to move to different bases. For our customers, we'll be able to recover more quickly following irregular operations. And it removes the friction point from how we schedule our aircraft and crews, giving us more operational flexibility and the ability to optimize our network and drive efficiencies. This was a massive four-year effort by our team, who invested more than 6.2 million hours to ensure our success. I want to thank all of our team members who worked behind the scenes to prepare us and on the front-line, who have seen an enormous amount of change. Progress on integration is one reason our operation is set to improve. Since the merger and up through this past winter, American had been making steady progress in improving core operating reliability while also achieving important merger milestones. However, this past summer we fell short of our targets that we had set for ourselves. While there are factors like inclement weather and unexpected increases in workload associated with some aircraft types that contributed to our underperformance, we know that we must do better, and we will. To that end, our immediate focus is on making sure that our fleet is ready to go each morning and that we resource our team to turn aircraft on time throughout the day. We have taken immediate short-term actions and launched a comprehensive review of our planning processes to ensure that we are ready to deliver better service during peak schedule periods, like the summer and year-end holidays. Our efforts are already paying dividends, as evidenced by two successive zero cancellation mainline operations this past week. And we're also operating at greater than 99% mainline completion factor so far in October, despite difficult operating conditions at DFW and also dealing with Hurricane Michael. On that note, I have to point out what an incredible job our teams across the system did to recover from both Michael and Hurricane Florence in September. In both instances, our teams were well prepared, and the greatest testament to that is how quickly we got the operation back up and running, especially out on the East Coast. On the product side, we've talked a lot about the $25 billion we have invested since our merger in people, facilities, and product, laying the foundation for a more efficient and reliable airline, and we're not done yet. We continue to make significant investments in our product, and we'll continue to grow our Flagship First Dining, our Flagship First Lounges with DFW opening in the first quarter of 2019. We're also investing more in our Admirals Club network with refresh projects in Boston, Charlotte B, and also in Pittsburgh in the first half of 2019. We have significantly enhanced connectivity on board by adding high-speed Wi-Fi and in-seat power. Half of our long-term domestic mainline fleet now has high-speed Wi-Fi, and installations will be complete by next summer. We are adding live TV to our domestic mainline fleet, a product our international customers have been enjoying since 2016. These transformational investments in our product, which touch every point of the customer's journey, will drive higher revenues and improve customer perception. We continue to play to our strengths when it comes to our network, adding high-quality, high-margin growth and redeployment opportunities at our most profitable hubs. Our 2018 domestic network additions to Dallas/Fort Worth and Charlotte produced margins far above our system average. And in 2019, we'll continue to capitalize on that strength by adding 15 gates and 100 departures per day at DFW. In 2020, we will add seven new gates at Charlotte, enabling another 75 daily departures. In 2021, the new regional terminal will open at Reagan National, allowing us to up-gauge to 76-seat regional jets at 14 gates, which today as a practical matter are limited to 50-seat regional jets. Our sales team has been executing well on its strategies. In the third quarter, we saw corporate revenue growth outpacing top line revenue on improved average ticket values. We have a healthy pipeline of new corporate accounts and made a number of advancements for customers, including our integration with SAP Concur TripLink so that our corporate customers can now book travel through aa.com while still receiving their company's negotiated rates. We also launched a partnership with Alibaba to accept Alipay on aa.com in China. Alipay is China's most popular form of payment. American is uniquely positioned with the largest airline loyalty program in the world. AAdvantage is a key asset for us and our customers, adding $4.2 billion in revenue for the first nine months of 2018. We have a valuable co-brand model with great partners in Citi, Barclays, and MasterCard. In the third quarter, we saw strong year-over-year acquisition growth with lower than expected attrition and continued growth in card spend. We are excited about the enhanced benefits we announced to our Citi AAdvantage Platinum Select card in May and the introduction of a no fee co-brand card in July, the AAdvantage MileUp card. These recent additions to our portfolio build on our already strong value proposition to customers, helping to ensure that an AAdvantage co-brand card is the primary card for even more travelers. Looking to 2019, we'll continue to find new ways to provide choice and value to our customers in our loyalty and co-brand programs. Our segmentation strategy is performing well. Premium Economy is now installed on 92 aircraft, and the customer adoption of this highly differentiated product has been strong. We also continue to be encouraged with the average fare differential, which is double the coach fare, as customers continue to buy up from main cabin. Installations remain on track and will be complete by next summer. As we look into 2019, we will further monetize this product with new revenue management and merchandising capabilities. In September, we made Basic Economy more competitive by removing the carry-on bag restriction, allowing us to offer Basic Economy to more markets more often. The early results are very positive and have exceeded our initial expectations, with approximately three times more customers now buying up to a higher fare for our main cabin product. Basic Economy is offered across the entire domestic network as well as most of the Atlantic, Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America. Our third quarter revenue was up 5.4% year over year to $11.6 billion, setting a record for any third quarter. As Derek mentioned, we saw double-digit growth in our cargo and other revenues, driven in part by continued strength in co-brand credit card acquisitions and cardholder spend. TRASM improved 2.6% year over year, above the midpoint of our initial guidance and marks the eighth consecutive quarter of positive unit revenue growth. We saw sequential improvements during the quarter in domestic yield and that momentum has continued into the fourth quarter. We also realized strong performance in our international business, particularly across the Atlantic. There, we saw double-digit growth in passenger revenue and a 7.7% year-over-year increase in unit revenue. The solid improvement was driven by strong yield performance in our premium cabin and the continued benefits of our segmentation strategy, led by the Premium Economy and Basic Economy products. As we had anticipated, our Latin America performance was a little challenging during the quarter due to macro concerns in Argentina, political uncertainty in Brazil and a soft pricing environment in Mexico. The remainder of our Latin America network is performing well with notable strength in the Caribbean and Central America. Overall, revenue for the region still grew by 2.3%, albeit on 4% higher capacity, 2.6-percentage-point lower loads and an encouraging 1.5% higher yield. Unit revenue grew in the Pacific for the fourth consecutive quarter with PRASM up 2.4% year-over-year. Premium cabin performance remained strong, with Japanese and Korean markets showing the best performance year-over-year. Looking forward, we see continued strength in bookings as the demand for our product remains strong. Despite a very tough fourth quarter comparison, we expect our year-over-year system TRASM to be up 1.5% to 3.5% in the December ending quarter. This will be our ninth consecutive quarter of positive unit revenue growth. As we approach the end of our integration, we have the opportunity to pursue a number of initiatives that in many cases have already been implemented by our competitors and have been in our plan for a long time. In 2019, we'll increase revenues by $1 billion thanks to optimizing our Basic Economy product, expanding the use of Premium Economy seats, further refining our suite of revenue management tools, continuing our fleet harmonization project and many more items. We also expect to become more efficient with more than $300 million of cost initiatives in line of sight and the hub optimization at DFW I mentioned. That will be beneficial to margins and probability relative to the competition. We're very excited about the future. And with that, I'd like to turn it back over to the operator and begin our Q&A session. Operator?
Operator:
And our first question is from Jamie Baker from JPMorgan. Your line is now open.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Hey, good morning everybody. Doug, in a presentation you did last fall, I guess, it was this fall, I think it was (00:27:21) event, you cited that your aggregate margin performance in, I think it was Charlotte, Dallas, and Washington, and what that implied for your other hubs was comparatively poor round numbers, and implied that Chicago, Phoenix, and Miami were a little bit less than half as profitable as the best hubs. I certainly have my views as to what the drivers are for that potential disparity, again, this is all back of the envelope, but I am curious to hear what you think the drivers might be and whether there are any solutions for those weaker hubs?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Jamie. First, let me clarify because also on those numbers we include LAX and New York, right. So you shouldn't assume that that's Miami, Chicago and Phoenix.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay. That's fair. That's fair.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
So, but nonetheless fair point. I think as you look at – anyway, what I'd tell you is, again, every airline I've been at it's often the case. You have some parts of the system that do better than others, but they all contribute to the system. And indeed that's certainly the case with operations like JFK, like our LA and New York operation, and indeed our Miami operation right now, certainly is underperforming on a financial basis given the economics of the region. So, but Chicago, Phoenix were solid. And does others will be solid over time, or they contribute to the rest of the system because of what they provide us and our ability to serve the corporate travel. So, it won't be same. We're really happy with the route network as it exists today. Expect no changes and particularly happy with the fact that we have the ability now to grow in those that are the most important – well, not most important, I shouldn't say, but those that have the highest profit generation capabilities DFW, Charlotte and DCA. And we've done a nice job, I think, of filling out all the rest of the others to a critical mass. Do you want to add anything to that?
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Jamie. I just wanted to add though, in terms of the kind of adjustments we're making, we do think that in all of our hubs whether it's growing or redeploying assets to Charlotte, DFW and DCA that that will make those even stronger. But some of the actions that we've recently taken are specifically designed to ensure that places like Chicago and Miami perform better as well. And so, we know that the reductions in the Chicago up to Asia flying is definitely going to help there. You know about the gate initiatives that we've made, which further strengthen the connectivity capabilities of Chicago as a domestic connecting hub for us. And then in terms of Miami as well, we have some underperformers, São Paulo, Belo Horizonte that we've made adjustments to and we're keeping an eye on all of South America to make sure that we're strong as possible.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Appreciate. I'm sorry. Something else?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No. I said thanks to Robert. Go ahead.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay. And thank you, Robert, as well. And a follow-up for you, Robert. You talked enthusiastically quite a bit about the operations. When it comes to fuel, it's a fairly simple analysis to calculate how much time is required by the airline or the industry to recoup higher prices. What I'm not able to figure out is, when operations improve, how long does it take to win back some of the corporate share that you might have shared it in recent years? So first, do you have an opinion on that lag; and second, what level of corporate share recapture, if any, does your internal 2019 forecast assume?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, first off, Jamie, let me tell you, there hasn't been any loss in corporate share at American. We've had a really solid quarter in corporate revenue, as I mentioned, growing faster than top line revenue growth. And as we take a look, it's broad strength across the corporates led by professional services. We've got a healthy pipeline of new accounts. 450 new managed corporate accounts signed just this past quarter and a lot of enhancements coming. We haven't seen any weakness or fall off. And as a matter of fact, we're really pleased with what we've seen and improving operation is only going to drive more benefit.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And the 2019 numbers don't assume any sort of increase. So, I think, if there's and that will be upside, Jamie.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay. Sure. Great. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Duane Pfennigwerth from Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Duane.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Hey, thanks. Appreciate the question. So, you've been pretty conservative and pretty subdued with your domestic capacity growth. And I wonder if you could just expand a little bit on kind of the 3Q performance, because 1% domestic RASM relative to peers relative to what frankly the economy did, what happened there? How do you see that going forward? And how did you post 2%, 3% domestic revenue in the third quarter?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Okay, this is Don. I'll take this one. Again, if you go look at our domestic performance, what we see is improving trends. If you look at our third quarter performance, our unit revenue performance in domestic was better than our second quarter unit revenue performance, which was also positive. We're seeing improved yields in the domestic business not only in the third quarter, but in particular as we look forward into the fourth quarter. Lot of this is driven by changes in the pricing environments, particularly, in ULCC markets. Business demand remains pretty robust. We're seeing improvement in close in yields. Strong corporate demand, Robert mentioned that. Our domestic corporate revenue grew at 10% in the quarter and that remains continues to be positive as we look forward. So, as we look at our domestic performance, we, again, saw improvement as we went from Q2 to Q3, and we expect as we're looking into the Q4 outlook that domestic will improve again.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Thanks, and then just a quick follow-up for Derek. Can you speak to the pension gains that were in non-op in 2018? And how you see those trending into 2019? Thanks for taking the questions.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
The pension gains will they stay for another three years I think, and then run-off, but they year-over-year will be the same as in your 2019 model of the pension gains.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Duane.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Joseph DeNardi from Stifel. Your line is now open.
Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Thanks very much. Doug and Derek, you talked about the CapEx profile coming down in 2021. Just want to be crystal clear that those numbers have moved around a little bit it feels like the past couple years or so. Are you guys both committing to no more than $3 billion CapEx in 2020 and no more than $2 billion in 2021?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
It's an estimate. Go ahead, Derek.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah, I wouldn't say we'll commit to anything, but I think, I mean they've moved and they've been pushed out and it's really driven by the deliveries. So, yes, we're set with the deliveries in 2019, 2020, 2021. And the aircraft deliveries, from an aircraft CapEx, 2020 is about $1.2 billion and 2021 is $1 billion and 2022 is $1.3 billion. And we have no reason to change that. So, I would say, yes that is where we're going to be from a total CapEx perspective. And the run rate, as we go forward, should be in that 2.5% range steady state even going forward from there, because we don't have any plans for any new aircraft at this point in time going forward since we've already really gotten through the fleet replacement program and taken on over 600 new aircraft now since the merger.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. So, Joe, anyways, what we believe and I think it's a belief that make sense, let just share the assumption behind it, which is what Derek has said, which is, we don't have any need at this point for additional aircraft to replace older aircraft, which we did have over time and that's what the current plan calls for. I guess, the only way it would go up from that is for some reason, we decide we want to grow like in excess of what we currently believe then we go decide, we need to go find other aircraft. But anyway, that's...
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. And Joe, there is only one – I mean, from a fleet perspective, we still have some 50-seat aircraft that we'd like to replace with larger gauge aircraft, two-class aircraft. And we haven't committed that yet and looked at that. So, we have an opportunity in the regional space, and that's really the only place. From a mainline and widebody aircraft, everything is really in place for the next four, five years.
Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you. And then, Robert, you mentioned something in your prepared remarks about a credit card you guys have with Citi and Barclays; that sounds pretty exciting.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
It is.
Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Robert, in respect for my colleagues, can you spend 90 seconds talking about that? Assume I know nothing about the partnership, how do you guys get value? How does the business work? Would love to hear more. Thank you.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
All right. Well, first off, we have to start with the AAdvantage program. So, our loyalty program, which is the largest program and we believe the best out there in the business. As a benefit, there is the opportunity to align with partners. And in this case, we're aligning with Citi and Barclays. So, they can brand their credit card and offer benefits to their customers when they acquire credit cards and then also spend on those credit cards by earning miles that are redeemable ultimately in our program. American is obviously paid for those miles. Those miles are a nice business for us and something that we are able to offer customers value for that keep people really interested. At the end of the day, the value is in the American brand, the value is in – the service that American offers find people to the places that they want to go and that is something that a lot of different partners want to be part of, and in this case, Citi and Barclays.
Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
I'll take it. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Joe.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from David Vernon from Bernstein. Your line is now open.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
Hey, good morning, guys. I just had a question on the cadence and the timing of when the new gates are going to open up and how impactful the redeployment of some of the capacity into those better margin hubs is going to be, like how should that affect the trajectory of earnings as you move through 2019?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Derek, can help me out a little with this, but the gates are going to start layering on in May and we'll fill them up over time as the summer progresses. And in terms of benefits in either growth or redeployment opportunities that will layer in. And we haven't yet given any estimates on how much that will improve, but we do know that it is going to be profitable for us.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah, I agree. And David that's not included in the $1 billion revenue synergies or revenue opportunities that we talked about. We're working to get those gates open as soon as we can, and we'll layer that in as we move forward from a revenue perspective into the 2019 forecast.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
All right. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Hunter Keay from Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Hunter.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Hey, good morning. Hey, Doug. So, you guys talked about corporate revs being strong, you're not the only one, but you're also paying for that again with these TMC commissions, they're up hugely across the industry, but I know there's been a little bit of an effort in the industry early this year to sort of get back some of the front-end commissions you're paying to the TMCs. I'm wondering, A, how that's going? How we should think about the trajectory of these TMC or these agency commissions going forward? And if you want to include how NDC ramping may help to offset some of these agency commission expense that'd be great. Thank you.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Okay, Hunter. This is Don. In terms of commission expenses, this is really competitive marketplace, right. So, we really focus on competitiveness and that's really the focus, right. So, in terms of trajectory and TMC or any kind of commission costs, we've been actually relatively flat. And where going forward is really to stay competitive with our big competitors on a network basis. As for NDC, our focus on NDC is to improve the products, right, that we offer to our customers particularly our corporate customers. And it is less of a cost initiative for us than it is an ability to be able to put more products and particularly bundled products in front of our corporate customers.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Okay, thanks, Don. And then, Steve Johnson, one question for you. Can you talk – the UK is announcing that it's going to review the existing ATI you have with BA. I was surprised by this. A lot of people that know things were surprised by this, no one better than I do on this topic were surprised by it. Can you tell us what they are going to be examining? And if you want to fold that into a broader conversation about how regulators are viewing ATI and JVs in general these days that'd be great. Thank you.
Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Sure, Hunter. Thanks. It's really good question. And, first, I suppose if you were surprised shame on us a little bit. The arrangement with the Atlantic joint business has always been that it would be reviewed by the European regulators in advance of its 10th anniversary, which is in 2020. As Brexit is unfolded, that responsibility moved from the EU to the UK, and they for reasons I think are they just had the resources available to start doing the review now. We are very optimistic about how the review is going to come out. These joint businesses really provide fabulous consumer benefits, and all of the studies that we've done of the Atlantic joint business, in particular in JVs in general, have demonstrated that. And there certainly is no joint business that has come close to what we've been able to produce for consumers than our Atlantic joint business. I suspect the review will take a few months. There will be, I'm sure, a report written at some point in time, but our expectation is that they are going to firmly endorse the Atlantic joint business and reach conclusions like the ones that I just described. I maybe can just take a minute to go on. This work that we've done to review joint businesses, there have now been 17 or 18 years of robust data from joint businesses. And we've assembled it and put it into our advocacy around our Qantas joint business application and our two applications that are forthcoming. It's really very compelling. And we expect both the UK and the United States DOT to recognize that and firmly endorse the joint business concept going forward.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Thank you, Steve.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Hunter.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Michael Linenberg from Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.
Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Hey, thanks. Good morning, everyone. Hey, Robert, you mentioned that with the change in your carry-on bag policy that you're seeing three times the number of passengers now buying up, and I guess presumably that's just because you're able to offer the Basic Economy in a lot more markets. As I recall though, I think that you weren't initially pleased about the percentage about the buy-up, maybe it was under 50%. Can you give us a sense of maybe how that percentage is trending with the recent change in policy?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Mike, it's Don.
Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Hi, Don.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
We're actually ahead of what our expectations are for this launch. So when we launched it, the change in the carry-on bag restriction, we knew that that would allow us to have the product in more markets more often. And we expected as part of that that we would see the sell-up rate go down, but the number of customers selling up go up, and that rate is going to be positive for us. What we observed is that the percentage of customers buying up hasn't materially changed. So we expect to see that drop from the low 60s down to about 50%, but it's still sitting around 60%. So that's actually much better than we expected.
Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Okay, very good. And then my second question, and I'm not even sure who can answer this, as it relates to Venezuela. I saw the news out that I guess airlines doing business in that country will have to transact in their cryptocurrency, the petro. Just curious about whether or not that actually is going to impact you and whether or not that's legit or not, any color on that.
Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
There shouldn't be. We sell only in dollars. And those markets, although we've reduced our capacity pretty significantly in Venezuela, continue to be really very profitable for us.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And I'll just add. Venezuela, just to give you an idea, it's 0.2%of our system revenues, so we don't have a lot of exposure there anyway.
Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Okay, very good. Okay, thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Michael.
Operator:
Thanks. Your next question is from Savi Syth from Raymond James. Your line is now open.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
Hi, good morning.
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Savi.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
One quick follow-up before my question. On the regional trend, is it fair to assume domestic is going to continue to sequentially improve, which it just sounds like from your comments? But what about the other regions from a sequential standpoint should we expect?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Okay, this is Don. So domestic, we're seeing some improvements, and I'll just add that if you go look at our performance last year in the fourth quarter domestically, we were many, many points higher than everybody else in the fourth quarter. So to get some sequential improvement there, I think, is quite positive. We're expecting Atlantic and Pacific actually to perform in line with what we had in the third quarter, and we're seeing continued softness in Latin America.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. And just if I might ask on the operating reliability again, Rob, I appreciate the color that you provided there on trying to fix it. The near-term improvement is encouraging, but it is off-season. So what gives you confidence as it's going to head into next summer that this continues? And are there some network changes that need to be made to address some of the issues?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
The confidence stems from a lot of work that's been done over the years is coming to fruition. So getting FAI, our Flight Attendant Integration, behind us I think is a big step. As we take a look at aircraft reliability as well, I do think that there are some things that we can do and are doing to make sure that we start the day off right, and that's really encouraging. And then as we take a look at network and schedule, there are always opportunities to rationalize fleets, to make routings more efficient, to make better use of reserves and spares. And so all that's under consideration. But when I take a look back over the course of the year, and yes, we're dealing with more of a shoulder season right now, but I do take a look at what we've done in really difficult operating conditions such as hurricanes and some really inclement weather here in DFW. I am impressed by the recovery that we've made and our ability to actually perform well in those conditions. So I'm encouraged. I see the results. As I take a look at the steady progression we made from 2014 to all the way through 2017 and then through the first quarter or so of 2018, I see us back on that kind of trend line that will show improvement going forward.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
And I'm guessing that should drive some cost improvement. Is that reflected in that 1% to 2% guide then?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
It should drive cost improvement. It is within that guide of whether we do that, but we still haven't gone through the planning process. And as we go through the planning process, we'll see the adjustments that Robert's talking, whether it's from a schedule perspective or an operations perspective and build that into the 2019 budget.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
All right, thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Savi.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Helane Becker from Cowen. Your line is now open.
Helane Becker - Cowen & Co. LLC:
Thanks, operator. Hi, guys. Thank you very much for taking the time, just one question here. What do you estimate your fuel recapture has been maybe year to date?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I don't know if we've got that number, Derek? Let me just go ahead and then we'll – anyway, this is not a number that we actually calculate. But I can tell you having looked at I think what others do is, just how much have your earnings changed versus how much your fuel price has changed, which any of us can calculate. What you'll see is it's going to be a lower number than our two largest competitors, which is another way of saying how come your earnings have fallen more. Our fuel prices have gone up about the same amount as a percentage of expense. So the question if you're asking us why have your earnings fallen more, I'm just trying to get to the core cause. It's because our revenues haven't gone up as much. Our revenues are up, but not as up as much as those two airlines. A trend that we've been narrowing over time, as we talked on last quarter's call, we started to see that widen in 2018, a trend we don't like, a trend that we expect is going to reverse itself back in 2019. But anyway, there are separate stories for separate airlines. One of our large competitors had not their best year last year, so they're comparing to that, of course. When you look at us versus that airline on a two-year basis, we're still up on unit revenues versus that carrier. But anyway, so that's just a year-over-year comp issue. And then, but versus Delta, that's one that we've been narrowing nicely about for a couple of years in a row, has started to widen. But as we look at that, I think it's much what they are doing a better job than we can today of making sure this sell-up activity is available to the customers. They have products that are there where people buy, and they're available in channels that we don't have it available in yet. So we view that as upside. It's a big piece of our $1 billion of revenue initiatives is getting to the point where others have gotten and we just hadn't yet but will in 2019 in having those products available in more channels and easier to purchase. So we view that as upside. But anyway, Helane, when you look at it, getting as whatever the number is, you'll see its lower. However you calculate it, ours is going to be lower than those. And the reason is driven by our revenues not increasing at the same – our unit cost ex-fuel you saw was like less than 1% on some pretty small growth. So that's not the issue. It's just the relative revenue performance and the relative revenue performance as I described.
Helane Becker - Cowen & Co. LLC:
Right, got you. And then just to follow-up on that. As you guys, I think, Derek, you said, and I know it's in the annual report. You talked about the large number of regional jets that are coming in next year. So, as we think about your gauge for next year, how should we think about that relative to, I guess, revenue because gauge comes down next year or goes up?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Part of what's going on next year is our reconfiguration project. So, the gauge should actually go up next year a little bit as we bring on the aircraft, as we modify the 321s and the 73s. And from a regional perspective, the gauge should go up also. So, in both cases, I would expect gauge to be a positive next year, which as you know is positive growth for us. I think it could be around 1% of gauge as we take the mainline and regional combined next year.
Helane Becker - Cowen & Co. LLC:
Okay, great, thanks very much, guys.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Helane.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Kevin Crissey from Citigroup. Your line is now open.
Kevin Crissey - Citi:
Hey, thanks for the time.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Sure.
Kevin Crissey - Citi:
I'm not sure who is best positioned to answer this, but when you benchmark American's cost structure and efficiency metrics against your peers, what areas present the biggest opportunities aside from maybe the Dallas/Fort Worth that you noted?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I'll start, Kevin, and the team can chime in. Versus our peers, again, our stage-length adjusted cost structure American versus our two largest competitors looks all-in-all reasonably close indeed if not around top of each other. But nonetheless we do think we have primarily due to the merger still some costs that we can reduce which is a big piece of this – again, the operational integration getting completed, that's $300 million we talk about. So, that's the biggest thing that we have that they don't. There are differences between carriers. We have higher ownership costs, because we have new aircraft. They have higher fuel and maintenance costs because they have older airplanes things like that. But when you add it all up, our costs per ASM on a stage-adjusted basis for the three airlines all look awfully similar at this point in time.
Kevin Crissey - Citi:
Okay, thanks. And when we think about the specials, they're still a significant number. And I know you've had obviously the merger and you had the fleet restructuring, but it's a large number and it's been a large number for quite a while. How should we think about that? And I know you can't necessarily predict it, but it's a relatively consistently large number. Is that something that we should think about going away over time because you're running at kind of $0.5 billion to $1 billion a year?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. Look, absolutely, you should think of it is going away, because it should. But I just note that they're real numbers of course. And we did just do this large operations integration that Robert talked about that took all sorts of training for if I sensed it would not have happened had we not done a merger. So, it's right and appropriate to pull it out as a special expense and yeah, it's nearly five years later, but that's when it happened. So that number should now continue to come down certainly the merger related. We like other airlines to the extent there are fleet restructurings and things like that to continue which we don't anticipate. But we think it's always right for the benefit of our investors to point out those that feel like one-time events versus recurring events. So, hard to predict what those will be over time, but the merger-related expenses, absolutely, you'll see continue to go down and it should go away over the next couple of years.
Kevin Crissey - Citi:
Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Brandon Oglenski from Barclays. Your line is now open.
Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
Hey, thanks for taking my question. So, Doug, I just want to come back to your response to Helane there on your relative underperformance this year. I guess, what are the concrete steps as you look into 2019 that you're taking to correct the relative underperformance in revenue and margins between your bigger peers here or your biggest peers?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Okay, again, and we're going to have others chime in. The biggest things in that, in the $1 billion of revenue initiatives are product segmentation, which again for the most part is Basic Economy and Premium Economy, but also having the ability to sell those in more channels and more easily to our customers. And again that's execution against initiatives that we have underway, and again not reinventing any wheel here. Those are areas that other carriers have that we just don't have yet, but we'll have into 2019. The fleet reconfiguration, the harmonization of our fleet that continues and will be largely in place in 2019 is a good piece of that number, which we weren't able to do in 2018 as we didn't have the fleet reconfigure. And this international network restructuring that we keep talking about, that where we were flying some flights internationally at some pretty large losses like our Chicago to China routes that we've relocated. And then there's just all sorts of other smaller type initiatives, they add up to reasonably large numbers. That again, some of those are just getting a little catch-up because of what – as we've been going through our merger and other airlines had more time than we have. We get to items like, denied boarding, auction process being better automated than we have today. So, a number of initiatives that we look at. Again, none of these things are taking share away from someone else, because we think our products going to be a whole lot better even though we do. It's all about being sure that the existing demand or the existing demand grown naturally is producing higher unit revenue because we're doing a better job of executing against those plans.
Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
And, I guess, is there a lot of urgency in the organization to drive higher profitability, is that a top priority for the team?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes, Brandon. And again, as I said in my comments, look, the fact that we're confident, please don't take as indifference. We have a huge performance-based culture around here. We have people very fired up. We certainly don't like seeing our earnings fall more than others, but we know why it is, we know what we need to do, we're highly confident, we have the right plans, right people in place and that's why we're confident in saying things like you're going to see the revenue outperformance that we like in 2019. You're going to see earnings improve in 2019 because we are focused on that.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
I'd just add, the confidence also comes just knowing that this is going to happen. So, when Doug talks about Premium Economy, we know that by the end of this year we will have our 777s completed. We know that by next summer, we will have our 787 fleet done. We know that by next summer that we're on track to have 50% of our 737 reconfigurations done. Those are things that we absolutely know. We know that with the changes we've made in terms of network are now coming to fruition. While we talk about changes that we've made to Brazil, and we talk about changes that we've made to China, those are now just being put into the schedule. And then, as we take a look forward and again, numbers that we haven't included in that $1 billion, we know that those gates are going to come online. Those are on track. And so, the confidence here is rooted in really things that we're going to be executing on and we know they're on track.
Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
I appreciate it, that should be good for the stock if that works.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Brandon. We agree.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Dan McKenzie from Buckingham Research. Your line is now open.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Dan.
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Hey, thanks, guys. Good morning. The multi-year CapEx outlook is very helpful. Doug, on the past call you offered a multi-year roadmap on debt and leverage. And I think the expectation was that leverage will begin to fall in 2019. Since then fuel -we've had higher fuel, margins have contracted. So, I'm hoping you or Derek could once again update us on the thought process here for leveraging each of the coming three years. Does it need to go higher before it begins to fall in 2020 and 2021?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Let me give you a generic answer, then Derek can provide any mathematical details he cares to provide. So, look, anyway, the issue on the debt is as follows. I mean, again, Derek to give you some estimates, I think, on what's happened already it is. We are indeed reducing somewhat, but yeah, earnings matter in any projections of course. But, to the extent of what we just described is accurate and we believe it is that is earnings improvement and CapEx declines what you should see is a natural de-levering, because, again, we didn't go at debt because we were trying to get some optimum debt level. We went net of debt because we were adding a lot of assets. And the best way to fund those assets was through some really efficient debt. And we thought and continue to believe that was in our shareholders' best interest. So, as you move forward, and there isn't a need to continue to do aircraft transactions, you should expect us to pay off debt as it comes due and there's substantial amount that comes due in the next few years. Pay it off as it comes due. There's nothing we're going to go pay off in advance. It's all incredibly efficient debt, but as it comes due we'll pay it off and we won't replace it. So, we should expect a natural de-levering as we move forward with higher profitability and lower CapEx needs.
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Okay, thanks. Don, Latin America has been very volatile absent a JV in the near to medium term. How do you solve for the shortfall versus peak revenue in the region? Are you seeing demand trends beginning to inflect and how long is it going to take to dig on the revenue hole there?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Okay. First of all, I know we talk about Latin. We often think about different piece of Latin, but Latin is a complicated part of business. So, Caribbean, Central America kind of Northern Rim markets excluding Venezuela have actually performed pretty well. The weakness that we've seen has been in Argentina, Brazil and Mexico. And as we look forward into Brazil, we're taking capacity actions. We reduced capacity by 10% in September-October. And we're reducing capacity by 20% going forward in Brazil. Mexico, we've seen a very tough environment there, particularly the pricing driven by capacity increases and some concerns probably over travel warnings. But as we look forward into the fourth quarter, we're seeing demand come back a bit. We mentioned in the call last year, we have a number of initiatives in the RM and sales space around kind of real off-peak load factor performance, and we're seeing some real improvements in the load factors in Mexico, as we look forward although the yield environment remains weak. So, overall, Latin America, we were down, in a revenue perspective, 1.6%. Parts of it are doing really well, parts of it that aren't doing well. And where we're not doing well we're focused on capacity and our load factor performance.
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Okay, thanks for the timing, guys.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Dan.
Operator:
Our question is from Andrew Tangel from The Wall Street Journal. Your line is now open.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi, Andrew.
Andrew Tangel - The Wall Street Journal:
Hey. Good morning. How are you?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well. How are you?
Andrew Tangel - The Wall Street Journal:
Hey, you indicated that American has lagged United and Delta on upselling and offering premium products to customers that tap into the higher potential revenue. Could you give us a better idea of why that is, what the holdup has been, and where else in your judgment you've not been fast enough to increase revenue?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I'll let Don do that and having again, it's not like we haven't acted fast enough. The reality is this. We've been in the middle of an integration. We have all sorts of needs. So, I don't want to make it sound like anyone here hasn't been proactively working to get all sorts of things done. We do find ourselves today in a position where we are working on some initiatives that aren't yet complete that will allow us to do better than we are today. Go ahead Don and where we are versus others.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
We've actually done a pretty good job of growing our ancillary revenue streams. In the third quarter, ancillary revenues are up 18%. We re-launched our Main Cabin extra product in June. And since we've done that we've seen unit revenues for Main Cabin extra grow at 24%, but we see that we actually have more opportunity beyond that. And the big opportunity for us is, we haven't yet built out our infrastructure to be able to push offers out to customers effectively between time of booking and time of check-in. And that's a big window where we can put and so many offers in front of our customers to increase of ancillary revenue stream even more than we've been able to go do it and that's really an IT infrastructure question. We have a project underway. We expect to be able to be more effective in doing that in 2019.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Correct me if I'm wrong, Don. But particularly, bookings that are made outside of aa.com...
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
In third-party channels as well.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
...in third-party channels, Andrew, others have more ability to push out offers to their customers that are main third-party channels than we do today, but we'll get that corrected.
Andrew Tangel - The Wall Street Journal:
Okay. If I can one follow-up. This year, United has embarked on a growth plan, the regional flying with midcontinent hubs. How much market share have you lost to United as part of that? And how much of a threat or has that growth plan proven to American so far this year?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, again, first off, I don't know that we can like particularly say versus that. We certainly haven't seen any discernible market share shift. Probably the best way to answer that which I'll let Don do is, if to the extent we're seeing it versus anybody else would see it be in Chicago and just talk about how, what we're seeing in Chicago on a year-over-year basis.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
So the biggest overlap we have is in Chicago, but we flew our largest scheduled departure at Chicago that we've ever flown this summer. And as we look at our performance in Chicago, it was our highest year-over-year unit revenue producing hub. On the corporate side, our corporate revenue in Chicago is up 15%. Our share gap, the way we measure our corporate market share relative to our capacity, is actually up by 0.5 point, so that's also positive. We haven't lost a single corporate account in Chicago. So we feel pretty good about the way customers have stuck with us this year.
Andrew Tangel - The Wall Street Journal:
All right, thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thank you, Andrew.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Conor Shine from Dallas Morning News. Your line is now open.
Conor Shine - The Dallas Morning News, Inc.:
Good morning, guys.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi.
Conor Shine - The Dallas Morning News, Inc.:
I was just hoping to get a little bit of any color you guys can provide in terms of where you guys are in the employee restructuring. You guys announced earlier this summer, mostly targeted upper management. Has that been completed? Is there any sense of scale in terms of number of positions impacted or dollar figure that you guys could share on that?
Elise R. Eberwein - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah, Conor. It's Elise. We're really pleased with how it went this past summer. Out of about 550 director and above employees, we had an uptake of about 100, which was higher than our expectation. And we're happy for those people who elected to move on but even happier with the people who renewed their vows and elected to stay. We're in the process of working through the rest of the levels now, and we're seeing good results there too. So stay tuned for more.
Conor Shine - The Dallas Morning News, Inc.:
When you say levels, have you gotten below the director level at this point in time?
Elise R. Eberwein - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We're still working through that.
Conor Shine - The Dallas Morning News, Inc.:
Okay, thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Conor.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from David Koenig from The Associated Press. Your line is now open.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi, David.
David Koenig - The Associated Press:
Good morning, folks. Most of my questions were asked and answered, but I did want to know. I think maybe Derek was looking for a figure when Doug was answering Helane Becker's question. Was there, first of all, ever a figure on how much fuel cost increase you are recapturing with fares and fees?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We don't have that number, I guess. Anyway, you can get it from analysts. Go ahead, Derek.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
It's 40%.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. 40%, thanks.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Calculated the same way that Delta and United have calculated.
David Koenig - The Associated Press:
40%, okay. Thank you. And on the 1.5% to 3.5% TRASM guide for 4Q, how much would that be if you took out cargo and credit card and stuff like that? How much would the PRASM part of it be?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We actually just don't look at it that way. These things are all really interrelated. And so we focus on our TRASM number.
David Koenig - The Associated Press:
Okay, all right. Thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, David.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Leslie Josephs from CNBC. Your line is now open.
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
Hi, good morning. I had a question just about labor in general. If you could, just give us an update on what's going on with the mechanics. You have pilot negotiations, I think, coming up soon. Also, there have been a bunch of protests with some of the regional employees too, and you gave a pay raise I think it was like a year and a half ago that you've first announced it. Is it possible to give further pay increases to your employees going forward?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I'll do an overview, and then Steve can fill in any blanks if there are any.
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
Thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thank you, Leslie. So on our fleet service and mechanics, the IAM-TWU partnership – association I should say, negotiations, as soon as those contracts became amendable, the company asked that we go to the National Mediation Board for assistance. We just haven't been able, despite everyone's best efforts, to get that contract closed up. And we think it makes sense for the National Mediation Board to bring us there to get us there. So that's done. That we think is a very positive development. So it's now in the hands of the National Mediation Board to actually oversee those negotiations, and that will begin shortly. So hopefully that will bring us to the conclusion that we weren't able to get done with the parties themselves. We do have, at the end of 2019, our flight attendant and pilot contracts become amendable, so we'll open those negotiation sometime in 2019. Those are five-year contracts that we've signed five years ago. So that's where it stands. All in all though, what I'll tell you is, the team is doing a great job. The leadership team has done a really nice job of taking care of our team and is making a huge difference in the way that our team is now taking care of our customers. And we're really happy with the way all that is done, and we hope to get these negotiations all completed as they come due.
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
And is it possible to get some of the workers will get an increase in pay? I know that there are some outside the mechanics and...
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I'm sorry, are you asking about the regional carriers? Steve on the wholly-owned subsidiaries?
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
Yeah.
Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Sure, we have several negotiations going on with our wholly-owned subsidiaries. But the two leading ones are the negotiations with our ground employees at Envoy and Piedmont. One of those has been agreed with the union and is out for ratification now. The second of those, I would expect to be concluded as soon as the first ratifies. And there are pretty big pay increases built into those, the tentative agreement for the first and what we have on the table for the second.
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from John Biers from AFP. Your line is now open.
John Biers - Agence-France Presse:
Thanks very much for taking the question. This has come up in the other calls as well, but the strength of corporate traveling has been a positive for the airline industry of late. Do you think the growth in that area is sustainable? Are we peaking? Has it peaked? What's your sense there? And are you seeing any kind of breakout, is corporate travel stronger within the U.S. domestically, or is it also very strong overseas?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Okay, this is Don Casey. Corporate travel has been very strong this year. It's been broad-based. It's been across really all of the industrial areas that we focus on. The early indicators for next year based on surveys that other bodies do is that the expectation is that corporate traffic will remain strong into next year and that it will likely grow.
Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And, Don, I'd add just add too. As we take a look going forward, I know that we see opportunities in continuing to engage with small and medium-sized businesses. We have an AAirpass program that really appeals to really very small accounts, and we see great traction there. So there's continued opportunity for us to expand how we connect with businesses, especially smaller businesses.
John Biers - Agence-France Presse:
Thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, John.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Mary Schlangenstein from Bloomberg News. Your line is now open.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP:
Close again. Hey, I just needed to clarify two things please. On the fuel cost recapture, was the timeframe on that third quarter or year to date, the 40%?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
That's year to date.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP:
Okay, great.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
That's year to date.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP:
Thank you. And, Elise, on the buyouts or whatever you all are calling them, do you expect those to go below management levels? Will we see any like front-line employees at that level affected?
Elise R. Eberwein - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No, Mary. This was an exercise to go through post-integration and look at our management head count and make a reduction of roughly 5%, Derek.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. And, Mary, sorry about that. That's just third quarter. The 40% is just the third quarter recapture, not full year.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP:
Okay.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Not year to date, just third quarter.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP:
Great, thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Mary.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Tracy Rucinski from Reuters. Your line is now open. Tracy, your line is now open. And our next question is from Ted Reed from Forbes. Your line is now open.
Ted Reed - Forbes Media LLC:
Hey, thank you. Hi, thank you. My question is for Robert. I know you're working hard now to improve operations, but your operations seem to be in leadership a couple years ago and they since seemed to have deteriorated. Why have your operations been deteriorating the past couple years? Is it just weather, or is it something more?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No, Ted. First off, I'd just go back and we've been at merging the airline, integrating a lot of different areas over the past number of years. But as I said in my comments, in terms of our core operating reliability, but for the really major events, we've been pleased with modest continued improvement in those things that are really important to our customers and drive customer satisfaction and likelihood to recommend scores. And again, as we took a look into this year, we've been making steady progress and then springtime summer we fell off. We think there are some reasons behind it, a lot of additional work, some other one-time issues. But at the end of the day, we need to do a better job of making sure that we're prepared for peak season that we have aircraft available first thing in the morning and that we do a good job of turning them throughout the day. Those are basics, we're good at that. I know that as we progress through the summer and really have everybody take a look at what went on, we'll get back to the track that we were on. And so, I look at this as more of a blip and something that as I look into 2019, will be certainly more of a strength and an opportunity for efficiency and improvement to the P&L. So, upside for us.
Ted Reed - Forbes Media LLC:
All right. I just don't have a clear sense of why it fell off.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, so, I'd point to a few things. Certainly, inclement weather is something that is always an issue, but that's not a focus area. At the start of the summer, we had a lot of extra work, inspecting 600-and-some-odd CFM 56-7 engines, fan blades that hadn't been expected. We had an inordinate number of engine changes with some of the newer aircraft deliveries that we're working with the aircraft manufacturers on making sure that we get a fix for that in the long run. And then I'd say that on some of the fleets that we're retiring our super 80 fleet that was something that it took a little bit more work than we had anticipated. But you put all that together and no excuses, that's something that we can plan for and do better and we have. And we are and we have and we'll make sure that we cover as we get into, peak season is coming up.
Ted Reed - Forbes Media LLC:
All right. Thank you, I appreciate it.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Ted.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question is from Robert Silk from Travel Weekly. Your line is now open.
Robert Silk - Travel Weekly:
Thank you. So, you all mentioned that commission payout that sort of flattened this year, but there were big jumps last year like more than 30% and you're still up about 8%, I think, through the first half of this year on commission payments, and you're not alone in doing in that. What in general has driven just the higher commission payouts across the industry?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
This is Doug. And as Don said, it's competitive. So, anyway, it's a competitive business and there are really three of us that compete mostly in this. And if someone decides they want to really go after the business and do it through higher commissions, we need to be competitive. So that's what's been happening. And as we've seen other carriers in an effort to win back some business they've lost lower commissions, and we need to compete for that. I expect as you see things normalize that'll change.
Robert Silk - Travel Weekly:
Is there been any sort of – as you all concentrate more on segmentation and on driving process in the front of the plane, has there been any sort of recognition that's driven the desire to reward agencies more the deal with these high-end customers?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
No. Clearly, we're all focused on high value customers, right, and customers they're going to pay higher fares on average. And a lot of our activity in our sales organization is really B2B activity, focused on corporate customers and agencies that drive a lot of that business. And that revenue is growing, as I said, at a very, very strong pace right now.
Robert Silk - Travel Weekly:
Thanks, guys.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
All right. Thanks, Robert.
Operator:
Thank you. At this time, I'm showing no further questions.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Excellent. All right. Thanks everybody for your interest and we appreciate it. Bye.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect.
Executives:
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc. William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc. Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc. Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc. Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc. Maya Leibman - American Airlines Group, Inc. Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc.
Analysts:
Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc. J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC Susan Donofrio - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc. Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc. Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc. Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Helane Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc. Andrew Tangel - The Wall Street Journal Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP David Koenig - The Associated Press Leslie Josephs - CNBC Patti Waldmeir - Financial Times Edward Russell - FlightGlobal
Operator:
Good morning, and welcome to the American Airlines Group Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Call. Today's conference call is being recorded. At this time all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation we will conduct a question-and-answer session. And now I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Shannon, and good morning, everyone. And welcome to the American Airlines Group second quarter 2018 earnings conference call. Joining us on the call today is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Finance Officer. Also in the room for the Q&A session are several of our senior execs, including Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; and Don Casey, our Senior Vice President of Revenue Management. We're going to start the call this morning with Doug, and he will provide an overview of our financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the second quarter, provide some additional information on guidance for the remainder of the year. Robert will then follow with commentary on our operational performance and revenue environment. And then after we hear from those comments, we'll open the call to analysts' questions, and lastly questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements including statements concerning future revenues and cost, forecast of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans, and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but there are numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2018. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as pre-tax profit, and CASM excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release, and that can be found on our website at aa.com. The webcast of this will also be archived on our website. The information that we're giving you on today's call is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us. At this point, I'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thank you, Dan. Good morning, and thanks for joining us, everyone. This has been a challenging quarter for American Airlines. In fact it's probably the most challenging quarter we've faced since our merger in 2013. First and foremost, the computer outage at PSA in June was extremely disruptive to our team and our customers. Our team members did heroic things to address that issue and take care of our customers, but we regret the inconvenience that we caused for so many. In addition, higher fuel prices have materially reduced our earnings. The increase in fuel price alone drove our second quarter 2018 expenses up by over $700 million, which led to a $593 million decline in year-over-year pre-tax earnings excluding special items. And our passenger revenues, while still growing, trailed the growth rates of our two largest competitors. This occurred for the first time since 2016 in the first quarter of this year, but it widened in the second quarter. And if everybody's forecasts are accurate, it's projected to widen in the third quarter as well. Now, a lot of that shift is explained by entity mix, specifically relative weakness in Latin America and by more difficult comparisons versus last year. But some of it's underperformance in the United States, which is a cause of concern for us. As a result of these trends, we lowered our 2018 EPS estimate to between $4.50 and $5.00 per share versus $5.27 in 2017. This decline in earnings has some in the investment community questioning our ability to again achieve our target annual pre-tax earnings of $5 billion within the foreseeable future. The question we generally get is, look 2018 is a pretty good year economically, yet we have the earning only approximately $3 billion pre-tax in 2018, so do you still believe American is an airline that can produce profits averaging $5 billion per year? The answer to that question every time is, of course we do. Our projected 2018 fuel expense would be over $2 billion lower if prices had simply stayed at 2017 levels. And we earned a little over $4 billion pre-tax in 2017. Had fuel prices not run up so far, so quickly, we firmly believe that 2018 would have been a year where we again produced $5 billion in pre-tax earnings. The solitary fact that fuel costs have risen, and the impact of that increase has not been offset immediately doesn't alter our view about the steady state earnings potential of American Airlines. But fuel prices have in fact risen, and importantly they've held at these elevated levels for several months now. To the extent any of us were viewing this quick run-up as a spike that would quickly correct itself, we should abandon that notion. We at American are assuming that $75 a barrel Brent crude or higher is our new reality, and we intend to adapt our airline to one that can make $5 billion per year at these fuel prices. The fact is there are many activities that make sense at $45 a barrel of oil, which no longer make sense at $75 per barrel. We're taking aggressive actions in the immediate term, including lowering our 2018 capacity growth, reducing our non-fuel expenses, and deferring future aircraft deliveries and CapEx. We're also adjusting our Basic Economy product offering to become more competitive. Robert and Derek will describe those actions in more detail shortly. We also feel very good about our plans moving into 2019. We anticipate American will continue to grow at a rate lower than any other U.S. airline, despite the fact we have what we believe are the industry's best growth prospects. In 2019, American will acquire 15 more gates in Dallas-Fort Worth and seven more gates in Charlotte, North Carolina, which are our two most profitable hubs. And of course, we still have the upside of the strategic initiatives we discussed at our Investor and Media Day last September. As a result of these actions, we are confident American will return to both revenue outperformance and earnings growth in 2019 and beyond. And most importantly, we are excited about the long-term future of American and the airline we're building. We remain absolutely committed to our efforts to build a better and more competitive American and increasing shareholder value over the longer term. We're creating a world-class customer experience by continuing our extensive investment in improving our product with the youngest fleet among the largest U.S. carriers, industry-leading high-speed satellite Wi-Fi, best-in-class Admirals Club and Flagship Lounges, investments in our airports, including our upcoming expansion at DFW and Charlotte, and the reimagining of our terminal space at LAX and O'Hare. We are expanding our network intelligently, while also pursuing regulatory approvals for our joint business agreements with our partners at Qantas, LATAM, and Aer Lingus. We're making our culture a competitive advantage by dramatically sharpening our focus on leadership, communication, training, inclusion and diversity, and creating an environment that cares for our frontline team members. And we're working to ensure the long-term financial strength of American by smartly maximizing our network, optimizing our fleet, and improving our revenue performance by harmonizing our fleet configurations and through further cabin segmentation. We continue to maximize the value of the world's leading branded credit card, the AAdvantage Mastercard, through innovation such as our new no fee AAdvantage card, which just launched two weeks ago. As a result, we remain on track to deliver on the strategic initiatives, driving $2.9 billion of revenue expansion and $1 billion of cost improvements that we committed to at our Investor Day presentation in September. And because of all that, and primarily because of the amazing team we have at American, we are very bullish on the future of American Airlines. That said, I'll turn it over to Derek, who will be followed by Robert, and then Q&A. Derek?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Okay. Thanks, Doug. Good morning, everyone. Before I begin, I'd like to thank our team members who are doing a great job taking care of our customers during this busy summer period. Their hard work and positive attitude continues to be fundamentally important to our success. We filed our second quarter earnings press release and 10-Q this morning. The significant increase in fuel price led to lower year-over-year earnings. Excluding net special items, we reported a net profit of $757 million in 2018 versus our 2017 net profit of $1 billion. Our diluted earnings per share excluding net special items in the second quarter of 2018 was $1.63 per share, beating consensus of $1.59 per share. Excluding net special items, our second quarter pre-tax profit was $1 billion, with a pre-tax margin of 8.6%. Our total operating revenues, which were up 3.7% to $11.6 billion were a record for any quarter in American Airlines' history. This was also the seventh consecutive quarter in which we achieved positive unit revenue growth, with total revenue per ASM up 2.1%. Passenger revenues were up 3.1% to $10.7 billion, driven in part by a 1% improvement in yields. Our cargo team continues to produce great results. In the second quarter, a 9.6% increase in volumes and a 8.9% increase in yields, drove a 19.4% increase in cargo revenues to $261 million. For the full year, we are forecasting revenue growth in the cargo business of 13%, and anticipate that cargo revenues will break the $1 billion mark for the first time in the company's history. Meanwhile, other revenues were up 8.1%, driven primarily by continued improvement in our loyalty program. Total operating expenses were $10.6 billion, up 10.3%. The primary driver of this increase was consolidated fuel expense, which was $729 million or 40% higher year-over-year. As a result, consolidated cost per ASM was up 8.5% year over year. We continue to focus on our non-fuel cost performance during the quarter. Our consolidated CASM excluding fuel and special items was up 2.4% year-over-year, more than 1 point lower than the midpoint of the guidance we gave at the beginning of the quarter, driven by improved team member productivity, lower maintenance costs, and higher than anticipated airport rent settlement credits. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with approximately $7.2 billion in total available liquidity. During the quarter, we completed a number of transactions including paying off a $500 million unsecured note and repricing an extension of the $1.8 billion South American credit facility. The company also returned $396 million to shareholders in the form of a dividend payment of $46 million and by repurchasing 8.2 million shares at a cost of $350 million. In addition, the company made $158 million contribution to its defined benefit pension plans. As we have discussed previously on calls, now that our fleet renewal program is winding down, we have begun to reduce our debt levels. Since the beginning of the year, our adjusted total debt, which includes our pension obligations has decreased by $1.3 billion, and we anticipate that it will continue to decline from this level each year. We filed our investor update this morning, which includes our guidance for the remainder of the year. In that guidance, we updated our capacity plans and reduced our 2018 full-year forecast by 50 basis points. This reduction is driven by a 60 basis point reduction in the third quarter, with the fourth quarter 100 basis points lower than previous guidance. These changes are the result of our ongoing analysis of the impact of higher fuel on the profitability of our network, which has led to the elimination of underperforming flying in the second half of the year. While we are still in the process of building our 2019 level of operations, we expect our capacity growth to be the lowest of any major carrier, and to be at or below GDP. This growth will be driven by gauge increases and a one-time opportunity to increase flying from our two most profitable hubs, with the additional gates in Dallas and Charlotte starting to come online next year. We continue to examine our fleet plans with a view to better align our delivery stream with the needs of the airline, and our expectations for growth of our network. During the quarter, we reached an agreement to defer – with Airbus to defer delivery of 22 A321neos that were scheduled to arrive between 2019 and 2021. This change will reduce our overall aircraft CapEx by $1.2 billion over the next three years. We will now begin to take delivery of these aircraft in 2024. We also announced a large regional jet order for 30 new aircraft to replace smaller regional jets. 29 of these will be delivered in 2019, with the last scheduled to be received in early 2020. As a result of these changes, we are revising our aircraft CapEx guidance. For 2018, we continue to expect aircraft CapEx of $1.9 billion, and we now expect our new aircraft CapEx for 2019 to be $2.9 billion, that's up slightly due to large regional jet order, offset by the A321 deferrals. 2020 aircraft CapEx will be reduced by $500 million to $1.2 billion and 2021 will be reduced by $400 million to $1 billion. As we look at our year-to-date results, we are happy with our progress on the revenue and cost initiatives we outlined at our Investor Day last fall. However, given the higher fuel prices, we have to do more to get back on the path to grow margins. We have been driving forward on our One Airline initiative, a company-wide project to realize the benefits of the merger and create a more lean and efficient company. We have identified opportunities in a number of diverse areas to drive cost down throughout the business, including the insourcing of regional affiliate flying to our lower-cost wholly-owned regional partners, conducting health plan audits with a focus on lowering pharmaceutical expenses, reducing non-front-line management expenses we structure our organization for the future, and lower staffing requirements associated with the changes to our Basic Economy product. This project continues to identify new opportunities and we now expect $300 million of cost savings in 2018, and more than $1 billion over the next four years. Due to the success of our One Airline project and the efficiencies we have been able to achieve during the year, we lowered our full-year CASM guidance this morning, even after the reduction in capacity I outlined earlier. We now anticipate that our unit cost growth rate excluding fuel and special items will be approximately 1.5% for 2018. It'll be approximately 1% in the third quarter and approximately flat in the fourth quarter. With the majority of our integration work complete, it is imperative that we continue this momentum to drive costs lower in our business. Fuel continues to be higher on a year-over-year basis. Based on the forward curve as of July 18, we are forecasting a 30.4% increase in consolidated fuel expense in 2018, which will be an increase of $2.3 billion. For the full year, we now anticipate our fuel price to be between $2.18 to $2.23 per gallon. We also guided to a third quarter 2018 TRASM increase of 1% to 3%, and Robert will provide more detail on that, and what we're seeing in the revenue environment. Taking this revenue and cost guidance together, we expect our third quarter of 2018 pre-tax margin excluding net special items to be between 5% and 7%, and our 2018 earnings per diluted share guide to be between $4.50 and $5 a share. In conclusion, I would like to once again thank our entire team for doing their hard work. Our emphasis on managing cost in this business will continue with a focus on getting back to growing margins, which we believe will happen in 2019. With that I will turn the call over to Robert.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Derek. Good morning to everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before I begin my remarks, I too would like to thank our team for their efforts in the quarter. They worked through some challenging weather conditions, which at times were really tough on the operation, and in addition we experienced a technology outage at one of our three wholly-owned regional carriers, PSA. The impact unfortunately resulted in the cancelation of approximately 3,000 flights the following week. During the week, our team worked all hours of the day and night to rebook, refund, re-protect our customers, and they also worked tirelessly to recover crew member schedules and return the operation to normalcy. We can't thank our team enough for managing through the start of the summer and this event, and we sincerely apologize to our customers for inconveniencing them, especially during the summer travel season. Going forward, we're further hardening our systems and ensuring that our team is equipped to recover more quickly no matter what comes our way. As both Doug and Derek mentioned in their remarks, persistently high fuel prices negatively impacted our second quarter results. We continue to be extremely confident in our long-term prospects and are committed to taking actions necessary to improve our short-term financial performance. Although we have delivered positive unit revenue growth for the last seven quarters and eight quarters in a row of outperformance versus the industry, the reality is that we must do more to offset higher fuel prices and grow earnings. We are taking decisive action. As Derek mentioned in his remarks, we have moderated our future capacity plans, deferred aircraft deliveries, made further reductions to our planned capital expenditures, and lowered our cost outlook. These are necessary and beneficial steps to take in light of the current fuel price environment. During the second quarter, we continued to make progress on the $2.9 billion of revenue and $1 billion of cost initiatives that we outlined at our Media and Investor Day last fall. As a reminder, as part of that plan, we said that we would take advantage of the power of our hubs and gateways, strengthen our domestic network, and grow where we have a competitive advantage. We are pleased with our progress on these network initiatives. We continue to play to our strengths, which means growing at our hubs. Any new flight we add to these hubs grows connecting revenue opportunities exponentially. During the second quarter, we launched 43 new non-stop routes and seven new stations. We added new markets like Missoula, Montana out of our hubs in DFW and Chicago O'Hare, as well as Panama City Beach, Florida from our hubs in Charlotte and DFW. In addition to creating new flight options for our customers, this growth brings high-margin, high-quality revenue on to our network. It also creates more connecting opportunities for our customers, facilitating new international destinations, like the addition of new seasonal service from DFW to Reykjavik, Philadelphia to Prague and Budapest, and between Chicago and Venice. The early results from these recent changes are encouraging, as all of our domestic network adds to DFW have produced margins that are in excess of our system average. We grew ASMs at DFW by 4% during the second quarter and RASM grew even more at 4.4%. As we look forward into 2019, we will continue to grow from our most profitable hubs with a primary focus on high quality growth from the 15 new gates at Dallas-Fort Worth and the seven new gates at our Charlotte hub, as well as the five new gates at Chicago O'Hare that opened earlier this year. We expect that some of that additional growth will be funded by moving less profitable flying from other parts of our network. Our co-brand portfolio continues to see very strong acquisition growth year over year, with lower-than-expected attrition and continued growth in card spend. We are excited about the enhanced benefits we recently announced for our Citi/AAdvantage Platinum Select card in May and the introduction of a new no fee co-brand card to our portfolio this month, the AAdvantage MileUp card. We expect that these additions to our portfolio to build on our already strong acquisition retention and card spend performance and ensure an AAdvantage co-brand card as the primary card for even more of our customers. The corporate demand environment remains strong, as our sales initiatives continue to drive results. We ended June with another positive quarter with corporate revenue growth of 10% and continued improvement in our share gap. Forward performance remains positive. In addition, the sales team has built a healthy corporate pipeline, signing new agreements with key accounts, and our small to medium sized corporate acquisitions are at an all-time high. We continue to see impressive results from our highly differentiated Premium Economy product, which is now installed on 87 wide-body aircraft. Premium Economy is now being sold on 67 routes at an average fare that continues to be double the coach cabin fare. We currently estimate that the Premium Economy retrofit program will be complete by the summer of 2019, and at that time we will have 124 aircraft with Premium Economy. While we have been happy with the rollout of our Basic Economy product over the last year, we announced today that beginning September 5, American will remove the carry-on bag restriction that is currently part of our domestic and short-haul international Basic Economy fare rules. Basic Economy is working well in the markets where we offer it, and we continue to see more than 60% of our customers buy up to Main Cabin when offered a choice. But the carry-on bag restriction left us uncompetitive from a product attribute perspective in some markets, and total incremental revenue from Basic Economy has fallen short of our original expectations. Removing the bag restriction will make this product more competitive, allowing us to offer this low fare product to more customers. Network wide Basic Economy remains central to our plans, and during the second quarter, we expanded it across the entire Atlantic network. Results in this region have been very encouraging, with strong conversion rates to our Main Cabin product in excess of 60%. And even more importantly, we are offering the product choice to over 80% of our coach customers. Turning to revenue. Our second quarter revenue was up 3.7% year-over-year and was an all-time record for any quarter at $11.6 billion. Second quarter cargo revenue improved 19.4% year-over-year on both strong volume and yields, continuing the positive trend we've seen since the second half of 2016. Our other revenue was up 8.1%, driven by increased revenues in our loyalty program due to strong co-brand credit card acquisitions and cardholder spend driving higher mileage sales. Overall, TRASM improved 2.1% year-over-year. This marks the seventh consecutive quarter with positive unit revenue growth. International was particularly strong, but every entity had positive unit revenue growth for the third consecutive quarter. Domestic unit revenue was up 0.3%, driven by a 1 point increase in load factor. This is the seventh consecutive quarter of positive unit revenue growth for the domestic entity, although we did see some drag due to the Basic Economy competitiveness issues during the quarter. Atlantic unit revenue was up 6.2%, driven by strong yield performance due to premium cabin demand, Premium Economy and the introduction of Basic Economy during the quarter. Our Latin America performance was also strong with PRASM up 4.6%, with strength across the board, with the exception of Mexico pleasure markets. Pacific PRASM was up 3.6% year-over-year on the basis of improved premium cabin performance. Japan and Korea were our strongest markets year-over-year. Looking forward, we see core airline revenue performance improving as demand for our product remains strong. However, we do have some unique headwinds that will affect American quarter to quarter. In particular, we expect softening in Brazil and Argentina to negatively impact third quarter unit revenue by approximately 0.5 point. In spite of a less favorable entity mix, we still expect our year-over-year TRASM to be up 1% to 3% in the third quarter with Atlantic and domestic improving, and Pacific similar to the second quarter. This will be our eighth consecutive quarter of positive unit revenue growth. And we remain bullish about the future because of the actions we will take to improve profitability. To address underperforming entities and drive overall yields, we are reducing our planned capacity growth, with reductions in China, Brazil, and across our network. We are also deferring aircraft, reducing our planned capital expenditures, and lowering our cost outlook. We will be completing the integration of our flight attendant workforce later this year, which will enable the unrestricted deployment of our fleet across the network. In addition, we still have the majority of our revenue initiatives that will come online through 2021 and more than $1 billion in cost saving initiatives over that same period, and this does not include the benefit from being able to re-deploy aircraft and to expand to our two largest and most profitable hubs in 2019 and beyond. As we finish up the summer travel period, we continue to be encouraged by the economic environment and strength we see in passenger demand. While we remain focused on the long term, we will continue to make investments that grow revenue, drive efficiencies, and expect to be on the path to margin expansion in 2019. With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to the operator and to begin our question-and-answer session. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our first question comes from Brandon Oglenski with Barclays. Your line is open.
Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
Good morning everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Doug, can you just talk about the balance sheet in this environment? I know cyclically the economy is doing well here, but obviously, you guys have the most leverage of all your peers, and I think that's added some pressure for the equity holders. So, can you talk about the way you view the balance sheet going forward?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Sure. We think it's good for our equity holders, our capital structure strategy. But – look, as it relates to the debt, the first thing we always should note is we have much higher asset values, given our much younger fleet than our larger competitors. Just kind of desktop appraisals of our aircraft are around $30 billion. I think those other guys around $15 billion. So, there's a huge asset value. That doesn't explain it all. Our debt levels are more than just that asset value, but please don't ignore that piece. But look, what we believe, and the other point worth making by the way is that we hold very large amounts of cash because – as protection for what seems like the reason people would suggest we should be less levered, that is, in the risk of something – for risk protection. So, we choose to, instead of having more equity, which is a lot more expensive than debt, we choose to have more debt than others. We think it's – we think it's exactly – it's a very prudent level. We're not concerned about the levels, particularly given the asset values. And we protect ourselves by holding a lot more cash than companies of our size generally do. And we think that's the right capital structure for our investors. It absolutely and – what leverage does, is when earnings decline, it has a bigger effect and those are more levered when earnings increase, we get more of the bump. That's not why we do it, but that certainly is one of the effects. But what we really try and do is make sure that our total capital structure is right for American Airlines and for our investors. And we don't think delevering, and therefore, getting even more equity, which is much more expensive than the debt, makes sense for our investors.
Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
Okay. Appreciate that insight. And then Robert, on your domestic PRASM, when we look across the industry, it does appear that some of your bigger competitors might be seeing some acceleration in revenue, so we're just wondering, what is the difference between American's network and maybe what some of your peers are seeing in the market? And I think you talked about some of the longer term actions you're making to correct that, but what are some levers you can pull even near term to help revenue accelerate?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Okay. This is Don. In the near term, we think the changes that we're making in Basic Economy are going to help us. It's going to make the product more competitive. It's going to allow us to offer the product to more customers, and we think that's going to help our yield performance. In addition to that, some of the schedule changes that we're making and taking capacity out are going to help us in the domestic market as well. We still see a strong corporate strength, again our corporate revenue was up 10%, and that continues to be strong. As we went through the quarter, we saw improving yields in close-in build. And we expect, as we look forward, into the third quarter, that the domestic market is going to be better for us in the third quarter than in the second.
Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from David Vernon with Bernstein. Your line is open.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
Hey. Good morning. Doug, you talked a lot about emphasizing sort of cost control and positioning the airline for a higher fuel price environment. As you think about the time it's going to take to get back to targeted earnings levels, how quick of a ramp should we be expecting in terms of your ability to kind of get this repositioning and reacceleration on the cost side to get the earnings level right?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. Thanks, David. Hard question to answer, so I'm going to punt for the most part, in terms of trying to give you when exactly we think we'll be back there. What we are happy to say is 2019 certainly feels, as we look forward, like it will be a better year than 2018, and that's nice progression back to the target, but I don't know for certain when we'll get there.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
Is it fair to say that the inflection in pre-tax margin implied in the 4Q guide is a good sort of signal that we're coming at least to a turn on the pre-tax margin side?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Again, I don't know that we're going to be able to tell you what quarter even we think we're going to make the flip at this point. But, again, as we look at this just year by year, 2019 certainly feels a lot better than 2018, and that's where we are at this point.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
All right. And then – and maybe just a quick follow-up question on the change in the Basic Economy and adding the bag fee there. Is that an attempt to maybe kind of charge more for the Basic Economy product or just to fill more basic seats? I'm just trying to make sure I understand what the intent of that change is from a marketing standpoint?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah, David, we got to a point where we weren't competitive. We launched this product about a year ago. As Robert said, we've been very happy with the results, but while that's true, for prices to the customers who are the buyers of this, there's a big airline out there who doesn't charge for the carryon and there are now filters on things like your Google search that ask you if indeed you want to bring a carryon or not, and if you say yes, all of a sudden the American flights don't show up nearly as high as they did before because it adds $20 to our fare. Nothing wrong with that, that's accurate. But when you get yourself in a position in this business where price-sensitive customers find themselves with lower fares on truly competitive airlines like that, we have to take that under consideration. And that's what it is. We put this product out with a different model than others had done in the past, and we've gotten to the point where we think the right thing to do is to get in line with the competition.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
All right. Thanks a lot for the added color. Thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, David.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan. Your line is open.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Hey. Good morning. First one, it's kind of a follow-up to the first question this morning. But you cite the trailing growth of revenue relative to the competition. You talk about entity mix, but also can see that some of it is domestic. So, my question is how much of the domestic weakness do you attribute to self-inflicted woes? And how much is reflective of United and Delta taking share from you? Because it is beginning to feel mostly like the latter, and if that's accurate, it's not clear to me that you're doing enough to stem the bleeding.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion, maybe you can tell us as to why it feels like, it's a share shift because that's not what we see.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Again, I'm not sure I – look, what we believe is what we said. More difficult comps year-over-year, without a doubt. On a two-year basis, we're still up more than both of those airlines.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
But look, you're right. We acknowledge, we think we can do better. And we think the steps we're taking primarily as it relates to this Basic Economy product are the difference. But, yeah, there's nothing where – as Robert said, our corporate revenues are up 10%. We don't see share movement anywhere. I will tell you, I asked the team to go look at the fact that United has announced how much they're growing in and out of Chicago, and clearly us being a Chicago hub carrier has to have some impact, because it doesn't mean we become unprofitable. It just means that if you add capacity, if you add ASMs at a rate greater than demand in a route where there weren't before, you see – we have some impact on. But the interesting result of that work was to show that the bulk of that flying out of Chicago, at least the ASMs are largely to Hawaii. And other than Hawaii growth, the growth rates in Chicago at least in American markets were lower than they were throughout the rest of the United States. So, look – anyway, we don't view this as a share loss. What we view it as is, well again, other than this Basic Economy issue, where again people might have booked another carrier because they saw a lower fare on them than us. But it's much more about – it's much more about when capacity grows in excess of demand, you're going to see some pressures on revenues. We've offset most of that, but not all of it. And we think we're going to get back to outperforming as we move forward.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
I'll just add...
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
...just, one other item. As we kind of look through kind of opportunities in kind of the revenue management space, that really kind of affects us globally. We think there is an opportunity for us to do better in periods of really low demand or trough periods. And this applies really across the network, but it does apply to the domestic market as well, as we look at it. Obviously, our objective here is not to maximize load factor, it's to maximize revenue. But in periods of really low demand, we think there's an opportunity for us to actually grow our load factor and maintain the overall yield portfolio we also have. That's through some adjustments we're going to be making in our forecasting, and also our kind of work process within the revenue management space. We also believe that during these time periods, there are some real channel-specific things that we can do as well. And so, we think this is really kind of the next evolution for us and next focus. We think there's a lot of leverage in this going forward, really across the entire business.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay. And ...
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Jamie, I'm sorry. There's one more thing...
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Yeah. Please.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
... I probably should have mentioned by now. If you look at where our growth has been over the last year at American, it's not been in our most profitable hubs. Indeed, we're building up LAX, which is the right thing to do. Long term strategic, it was some growth in Philadelphia in response to some competitive incursions there to make sure that we were competitive. But not in places like Dallas and Charlotte, and not in places like our strongest hubs, which some of our other competitors did. So, that'll also have an effect. But long and short of it was we're really comfortable with where we are in terms of our relative positioning and feel really good about the future.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Well as a follow-up on that, Doug, and let me just push you a little bit tougher here, we all remember a time when United couldn't punch its way out of a paper bag, when they were the perennial last place member of the big three. And what I'm being asked right now from investors is whether American has now simply stepped into the shoes that United once occupied. Maybe that is simply the construct of the industry going forward. It's almost like three, five, seven, you're going to have one chronic outperformer, let's call that Delta, in fairness. You have the silver medalist, let's call it United, and then inevitably American brings up the rear. So, how do you push back on that? What structural component of the American story can you point to, other than just trying harder, which is all well and good and to be applauded, to convince us that you can get off the bronze medal podium, so to speak?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. You're going to have to watch us going forward, I guess, Jamie, if that's what your view is. We vehemently disagree, and I think that would be an overreaction too. So anyway, our competitors are doing a nice job, and one of them in particular had a lot more upside for a lot of reasons than we did, but that doesn't mean that we think we're not \ go do exactly what we plan to do, which would be the best airline in the world. So, anyway, I would encourage them to look a little longer term.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay. All right. I appreciate you taking so much time for questions. Thanks, gentlemen.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Jamie.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Hey, everybody. Good morning. I'm curious how you can speak so confidently about growing margins next year, given fuel is high and RASM is unknowable. Are you basically telling us right now that you think you can do better than the 1% to 2% CASM x guide?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We're on that CASM number. We do not – we're guiding that for the next two years staying in the 1% to 2% range. So, we have not changed that. We will go through the planning process. We haven't done that yet for next year and we'll update that when we go through that planning process, but there's no change to the 2019 or 2020 CASM guide at this point in time.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
All right. And then, Doug, honestly I'm surprised to hear you continue to beat the drum on this balance sheet stuff around asset values because, with all due respect, it really only matters if you're mortgaging assets and that's not a scenario that any equity holder cares about. So, what about – I'll put this differently, what about the drag of interest expense it provides on your P&L, which gives you so much less margin for error on the RASM, CASM stuff? Doesn't that factor into the equation somehow?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
It all factors into the equation. At the end of the day you end up with a capital allocation strategy that we think optimizes the value of the firm, and what we believe is, of course that will result in higher interest expense. It also results in fewer shares outstanding and it results in therefore a mix of less equity, which is more expensive, and more debt, which is much less expensive. So, we believe we have the right mix, particularly given what happens in terms of our cost to the extent you went in the other direction. It doesn't, in this business, doesn't tend to reduce our borrowing cost, particularly because we're borrowing against really strong assets. So, we're hard pressed to come to the conclusion that delevering from where we are today, and particularly with the cash balance we hold, makes sense for our investors.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
All right. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Hunter.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Susan Donofrio with Macquarie Capital. Your line is open.
Susan Donofrio - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.:
Yes. Good morning, everyone. So, just a question on operational performance. Even before the PSA issues, your on-time baggage, et cetera has lagged and customer service complaints have been pretty high. I'm just wondering, United's been pretty vocal with Core4 trading, et cetera, can you just talk a little bit about what you're doing to address your operational issue?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Sure. I'll chime in here. Performance the last couple of months hasn't been where we've wanted it. We can point to some things. Certainly the PSA outage was one item. We've also had some pretty tough weather year-over-year out of Miami, which has impacted the system. But we see a lot of opportunity going forward, though. And certainly getting the airline fully integrated is going to be a big deal to us. We're making good progress on the path to getting our flight attendants integrated, and we're also hopeful that we'll have our fleet and mechanics fully integrated as we look forward as well. The kind of things that you look to improve upon is certainly aircraft reliability. And we're dedicating a lot of effort to making sure that as we move toward some of the older fleets, the 767s and the Super 80s, as they move out of the fleet, that they get the attention that they deserve. Our folks are working really hard. We've got a game plan to get back really to being where we expect to be, which is best at departing on time, and completing flights, and ensuring that bags are delivered too. Couple points I'd like to note, though. First off, I do know that in terms of servicing customers as far as missed connections, I know that we're doing a nice job there as we've seen missed connections drop year-over-year. We've seen complaints drop certainly from a DOT perspective. And then, also our internal measures in terms of compliments and complaints ratios have improved as well. No doubt, we've got some work to do. We're in the middle of the summer, our team's working hard, and we know we'll get back on path.
Susan Donofrio - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.:
Great. Thanks. Appreciate the color.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Savi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is open.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
Hey, good morning.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Good morning.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
I wonder if you could talk a little bit more about the expansion at DFW and Charlotte. Just around the timing and just how you expect that to flow through maybe the cost and the revenue lines, as those kind of come on? Because it seems like maybe your commentary on the DFW performance means that we should see some good incremental revenue contribution from those.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
As far as the gates go, we anticipate that we'll start getting those online late in the first quarter, early second quarter in Dallas-Fort Worth. And then we'll ramp up from there, the 15 gates. In Charlotte, the seven gates really they start coming online at the end of the year – more towards the end of the year, and I think that we'll have four or so gates ready in the third quarter and fourth quarter and the remainder of those in 2019. And what we intend to do is that we have a nice opportunity to ensure first that any growth that we do is positioned there, but as well there's opportunity for redeployment from underperforming places within our network. And we're going through that process, and you'll see a lot of movement on that and announcements on that forthcoming in the months to come in 2018.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
So, the benefits of that really may be second half 2019, is that fair?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah, that's fair, Savi.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
Okay. Great. And then if I might just follow up on the domestic, 3Q, how much of that benefits from kind of the look back with the hurricane impact last year? So, ex-hurricane impact, are you kind of expecting maybe domestic RASM to be down year-over-year?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
No. This is Don Casey. No, we ended up with a benefit related to Hurricane Harvey. We had a negative impact associated with Maria and Irma, and net-net all of the hurricanes last year had about a three-tenths benefit to us. So even outside of the hurricane effect, we see unit revenue domestic improving from the second quarter.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
All right. Great. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Joseph DeNardi with Stifel. Your line is open.
Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Yeah. Thank you. Doug, when you and the board consider what the appropriate organizational structure is for the company, and I'm talking about the airline versus the loyalty program, how do you have that conversation and make the decision without knowing how a third-party would value your loyalty program? Isn't that just good due diligence to understand how the market would value that business?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well anyway, Joseph, I'll answer the question this way. We do indeed have a loyalty program that we think is the best in the world and that is real value. We think that value accrues to American Airlines, and therefore to American Airlines shareholders. And if we were to separate it, we worry about the ability to retain that value because...
Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Doug, you realize there's an option here where you don't have to separate it. You can just monetize a minority stake to prove to the market what it's worth. That is an option, right?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Joseph, to answer your basic – on your first question, as to whether we look at this, the answer is yes. We have indeed looked at it, and we'll continue to look at it. With our shareholders' interest at heart, what I'm telling you is we've done that analysis and that due diligence. To this point, we've not decided that's in the best interest of our shareholders.
Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Okay. The guidance for the full year implies a margin of about 8%. If I back out the marketing fees you guys get from the card partners, it's closer to 3% to 4%. Do you think that if the two businesses were internally viewed separately and forced to stand on their own, that you would be able to manage the airline side to a better margin than what seems to be pretty low for the largest airline in the world?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We don't. And furthermore, we think it's hard to separate those businesses. They're so intricately related indeed. What the card is, Joseph, is another distribution channel. It's a way in which people purchase tickets on American Airlines. And it's a valuable distribution channel, but that's what it is. And if we separate that out of the airline, I don't think those margins can be separated or should be because I don't believe as you do so. They remain the same.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Rajeev Lalwani with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC:
Hi, good morning, gentlemen.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi.
Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC:
Doug, just a high-level question for you. As far as giving earnings guidance for the full year, do you think maybe that wasn't the right decision, given that it's tough to predict, movement in fuel, the lag between fuel and fares, et cetera? I would just love your thoughts there.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Okay. Yeah. We went down this road reluctantly. We at American for quite some time have been suggesting that earnings targets and things like that were, one, hard to do in this business because of the volatility of things like fuel, and two, led to short-term mentality that we didn't think was healthy. So, having said that, as others did it and as investors, at least the analyst community continued to suggest to us that that was important to our investors. We acquiesced and we're there now. We're not intending to change it at least for this year, I guess, because we worry that doing so, particularly as we were pulling it down, would look like we just didn't want to tell you what we thought it was, but it's certainly not the case. But look, I thought the memo from Jamie Dimon and Warren Buffett was right on point. I believe that we as business do – our shareholders and the people we employ, the people we serve a disservice by focusing too much on the near term. And that doesn't mean you definitely do that if indeed you get focused on quarterly earnings, but you can, so there's a possibility it happens, and it's just something -like I said, we went into it reluctantly. You're intelligent to note it. Anyway, we are where we are. We'll continue to do it. We'll continue to look at whether it makes sense for us, but I don't think it helps us make right decisions. I don't think it helps us make the best decisions for our shareholders. To the extent we still make the best decisions for our shareholders and it's of use to our investors, that's something we'll continue to do.
Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC:
Thanks, Doug. And on the capacity adjustments, you guys are obviously being pretty aggressive, I think more so versus your peers. How do you get comfortable with the fact that those capacity adjustments will stick given that others aren't necessarily playing along and may just backfill some of the growth that you cut?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
It's a competitive marketplace. We think that we're sizing the airline that's right for American, American's network, and American's customers. And as we take a look forward, we really like the opportunity that we have in front of us in DFW and Charlotte and the opportunities that we have there. So, we're keeping an eye on it. Certainly our market position in our hubs is important, and we have to offer a network that is attractive to our customers and we'll make sure that we continue to do that.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And just to be clear, to the extent we are reducing any existing flying, we're still growing somewhat, and the routes that we're reducing, we're reducing because they're not profitable at these levels of fuel price. That means what we call utilization flying. That is flying where aircraft are otherwise sitting due to our hub-and-spoke structure, and we can fly them somewhere and back – and get them back into the hub, and you just have the variable cost of that route. But that variable cost is largely fuel. So, if you can't cover the cost, that doesn't make sense to fly. That's not something anyone will backfill, as you say. And it's other routes that just, again, in these times don't make sense for us, and that's flying in and out of our hubs. So, no real concern on our part that someone will come into flying that we would reduce. And as Robert said correctly, we got to manage our capacity based on what we think is best for American.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is open.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hello, Helane.
Helane Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC:
Oh, thanks. Hi, guys. Thanks very much for getting me in. So, here is my question, and it has more to do with technology. When you look at what happened to PSA, is that something that was avoidable? And if not, is there something you can do that would enable you to avoid issues like that going forward?
Maya Leibman - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi, Helane, this is Maya. What I would say is, I'd love to tell you that technology is bulletproof and that every issue is avoidable, but unfortunately that's not the case. And in this particular incident, we had an unusual issue, where we had both primary and redundant servers that were designed to take the load should one server fail. But in this case, because of the nature of the issue and because of how unusual it was, it took down both our primary and redundant servers. I think that there's a lot that we do and that all airlines do that everyone in my position does to ensure that we are doing the utmost to prevent any outages. And I think we have a comprehensive program around disaster recovery, around high availability and redundancy, and that's our objective. The problem is that technology isn't always quite as bulletproof as we'd like it to be. And in the airline industry, issues are very immediately apparent to the entire public, and they're very negatively impactful.
Helane Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC:
Okay. Thank you, Maya, I appreciate that response. And then, just a quick question on the decision to adjust CapEx, I guess. Should we just think about it as two independent airlines made aircraft decisions based on their independence, and they came together and they have to adjust capacity growth or plans? Or should we think about it as a cash flow issue?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I view it as one airline making a capacity decision. We have the ability to do and have more large RJs and we were able to negotiate a deal with Embraer and Bombardier to bring in those aircraft earlier. The push of the A321s is more of a, we have the capacity already, we have aircraft that we can keep around, we're putting 737s through the Oasis Project and modifying those aircraft, so there really wasn't the need to take on new aircraft at this point in time, which enabled us to push them out till 2024. So, it's really looking at the delivery stream and making sure that you're not – you don't want to replace aircraft too early when other aircraft are fine and can be flown in the markets that we have. So, that was just more of a decision from a CapEx standpoint to push those out just from a need perspective on the narrow-body aircraft.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And, Helane, it's Doug. Thanks for asking, that's a good distinction. We have in the past talked about deferral of aircraft and told you that we did put together two fleet types and we looked at it, we had too many aircraft coming when you had enough. At certain times we were able to defer some. This one, as Derek just said, is not that. We had already done most of that – I think all of that work actually. This is the result of given the existing environment making sure that we actually wanted to take airplanes in those times and we come to the conclusion we don't.
Helane Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC:
Okay. Thank you so much, team. I appreciate the response.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Helane.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research. Your line is open.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Dan.
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Oh, hey. Good morning. Thanks, guys. JVs LATAM, Aer Lingus and Qantas, big picture, what does the roadmap look like from here for approval to implementation? Is the expectation that these could be implemented sometime next year? And then what is the revenue pie that you're going to be trying to optimize with these partners?
Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, let me talk about the – this is Steve Johnson by the way. Let me talk about the implementation, and Don can talk about the revenue.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
The timing, he asked about.
Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
That's what I meant. I think there remains a chance that we can get Qantas approved this year. We're working very closely with the DOT there. They're taking really a fresh and I think very thoughtful look at the whole concept of antitrust immunity around JBs, and Qantas is turning out to be the platform for that. So, it has taken a little longer than we had hoped, but we remain optimistic that it's going to get done, and we remain hopeful that we can get it done, get the approval in the fourth quarter or early in the first quarter. Aer Lingus is – should, I think we all thought that Aer Lingus would be a straightforward application, but the DOT again is taking a different look at Aer Lingus, primarily around the idea about putting a low-cost, low-fare carrier into a joint business. Their view, that's not been done before, and they want to make sure that that's going to deliver the consumer benefits that we promise. So, that's going to take a little bit more time. And my guess is that Aer Lingus is probably going to be an early 2019 decision by the DOT, so implementation after that. LATAM is – we're still waiting to hear from the Chilean competition tribunal that's reviewing that, and once we've heard from them, we're actually going to file a new application in LATAM because our application now is more than two years old and we want to update that and use the learnings that we've had in Qantas and Aer Lingus to supplement that application. That's certainly going to be acted on by the DOT some time in probably the second half of 2019, I would've thought.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
And in terms of potential benefit, look, we're able to offer more choice for our customers and a joint business relationship ensures that we're able to sell on each other's networks, and really give customers the opportunity for the best of what the joint business partners have to offer. And so we look forward to that as these approvals come.
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
I see. Okay. $2.9 billion in revenue initiatives. What have you captured so far? What is the updated dollar goal for 2019? And what potential exists to accelerate some of these benefits?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
What I'd tell you is that we're certainly down the path and out of the first year. I think what we had said, we're about $0.5 billion...
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
For the first half of the year.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
First half of the year about $0.5 billion through. There's obviously a little bit of a setback because of Basic Economy, but with the change to the program, we think that we will be able to recapture some of what had fallen off. In addition to that, though, we know that there are other opportunities that will more than make up for whatever's been lost with Basic Economy. So, if we take a look at, from Investor Day last fall, with where we stand today and what we're adding to it, we think that we're on track. And Derek, can say a little bit more.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And Dan, what we presented was $1.35 billion in 2018 for the revenue synergies and $775 million in 2019. I think there's about a shift of about $200 million, so the 2018 will be down to about $1 billion – $1.1 billion $1.5 billion, but that $200 million is going to go into 2019, so we're up to $975 million in 2019. So, the way to look at it is we're a little bit behind due to some of the Basic Economy stuff that we talked about. But that shift is going to go into 2019, that $200 million, as we stay on target for the $2.9 billion.
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Okay. Thanks, guys.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Dan.
Operator:
Thank you. This concludes the analyst portion of today's question-and-answer session. We would now like to open the call to media questions. Our first media question comes from Andrew Tangel with Wall Street Journal. Your line is open.
Andrew Tangel - The Wall Street Journal:
Hi, there. Thanks for taking the question.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Andrew.
Andrew Tangel - The Wall Street Journal:
Hey. Wanted to ask about fuel costs and fares and theirs and you all's ability to pass this along to customers. How much are fares are going up? How much more sort of longer term are you all going to be able to pass along these fuel costs that are here to stay to customers? At what point do fare increases dampen demand and wind up preventing you all from growing revenue? So, what's the limit of you all's ability to raise fares, recoup these fuel costs as consumers are facing higher costs on other products too?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, I'll just start and others can add in. It's a competitive marketplace and at the end of the day it's all about supply and demand. And where we stand today, we see a strong demand for the product, and so we're optimistic that there's the chance to recover some of the cost of the increase in the price of fuel. But over the long run, it depends on the economy and it depends on how much supply is out in the marketplace, and that supply is seats. So, what we see though is, in our markets, we see a prudent deployment of capacity, and we've seen signs of recovery, and as we stated, we've seen successive quarters of year-over-year revenue improvement, and we expect to see that as we head into the rest of 2018 and into 2019 as well. Don?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Again, we're also diversifying some of our sources of revenue as well through growing our credit card business and our ancillary revenue stream, all of which will help us grow the top line.
Andrew Tangel - The Wall Street Journal:
And as a follow-up on the issue with Taiwan and in references to Taiwan on your website and other ways that Chinese government has now been focused on. Can you walk us through your all's decision in addressing the Chinese demands the way you all did and what are you looking for from the U.S. government now, as China reportedly has said that American Airlines or U.S. airlines response to their demands has been incomplete?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah, look, I'd prefer not to do that, if it's okay by you. I'll give you the blow by blow of this. What I'll tell you is we had a deadline. We complied within the deadline with what we thought was a nice solution for everyone, and hopefully, that'll be the case. That's where we stand right now.
Andrew Tangel - The Wall Street Journal:
Can I ask, just generally speaking then, why you all are uncomfortable with addressing sort of the decision-making process and your thoughts on doing what you all did, at least in terms of international affairs? But earlier you all have weighed in on domestic affairs, at least regarding the migrant children transport. Is this just trickier for some reason? Can you at least address why you won't address the decision-making process?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Sure. Yes, it's a matter of international affairs that is I think more important to those countries than to American Airlines, and we don't want to intervene in that process.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News. Your line is open.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP:
Hi. Good morning. Don, I wanted to see if you could talk a little bit more about Basic Economy, and what you were seeing that made you decide you needed to make a change. Like were you just not able to sell the fares at all, were you having to really deeply discount them, and sort of when you realized that you did have a big problem?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
That was to you, Don.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Okay. Hey, yeah. First of all, I wouldn't describe it as a big problem. This was really an issue of competitiveness, right? We've been kind of watching it now since we rolled the product out. The industry hasn't aligned on product attributes, and we think kind of shifting this direction is going to allow us to offer this choice to more customers and that's going to lead to a better revenue outcome for us.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP:
Okay. But can you comment on what made you realize that there was an issue caused by not being aligned with the others? Was it that you weren't selling Basic Economy or what?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
We weren't giving as many customers the choice for buying Basic Economy under our current product configuration and by changing the attributes, we're going to be able to offer this product to more customers.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP:
So, that sounds to me like you weren't selling as much as you wanted to.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yes. The scope wasn't as large as we had originally anticipated, and we think this is going to increase the scope of coverage of the product.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP:
Okay. And can you give us an idea of how far it lagged, what you had anticipated?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
No. I think all we'll say is that from where we are right now we expect the results to improve in excess of $100 million a year.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And look Mary, I'll just point out because it's not obvious I mean this is good news for customers. Again, we're amending the product to be more customer friendly and allowing customers to purchase that product to carry on a bag without having to pay for it, but still having constraints on the product that some of our customers will choose to not want to purchase that product, but purchase a different product.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP:
Okay. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Mary.
Operator:
Our next question comes from David Koenig with The Associated Press. Your line is open.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi, David.
David Koenig - The Associated Press:
Hi. Good morning. Well, Mary really asked my question, but let me then jump to something else. Robert, did you say during the analyst section that the reduction in 3Q and 4Q capacity growth will include China and Brazil? And if I heard that correctly, is that in any sense because you're worried about the trade dispute or rising tariffs cutting into either of those areas?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
David, as a matter of fact these are changes that we've announced previously and it's due to ultimately the profitability that we had seen and certainly as we forecast with higher oil prices. It's due solely to that.
David Koenig - The Associated Press:
Okay. All right. Thanks very much.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. Thanks, David.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Leslie Josephs with CNBC. Your line is open.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi, Leslie.
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Just another one on Basic Economy. What's the upsell? I think you guys had something like 50% of passengers that were considering Basic and then ended up getting the regular economy? And how do you expect that to change with the baggage allowance?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Our current upsell rate is 63%, and we expect as we change the product attribute with carry-on bag that that's going to go down a little bit to around 50%, but the number of customers that we'll be upselling is going to go up.
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
The number of customers that you're upselling will go up, but...
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
There are going to be more customers that are going to be presented with a choice.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
The product will be available in a lot more places, Leslie.
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
Oh, so it's a screening issue on Kayak and others. Okay. Got it. And then, Doug, you had previously said this year that fares are too low for oil prices this high. How has that changed? Are fares okay now or how much do you expect or need them to go up to deal with these higher fuel costs?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, okay. I should say it this way. Our revenues aren't up as much as our fuel costs are up. So, to maintain earnings we would need to see – to maintain earnings at parallels we need to see revenues get more in line with the fuel cost increase. So, anyway, what really needs to happen I think, Leslie, is over time capacity adjusts to a level, where it's more in line with demand growth and more in line with the reality of existing fuel prices. I expect that'll happen over time. It'll be gradual. I don't think it's – certainly there are amazing values out there for customers, for consumers right now that – all throughout the fare level spectrum, and that'll continue to the extent they go up. It doesn't require a large material increase. But absolutely, when our costs or production goes up, we need to get to a point where we can raise the cost, raise our revenues to a level to cover that cost.
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
Okay. Got it. And then the LATAM JV, will that help you at all with some of the headwinds that you're seeing in Latin America, Brazil, and then some of the political stuff?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
It will once it's implemented. Obviously, we're a ways from getting it implemented, but once it's implemented we think it's going to help us – have a material benefit for both us and LATAM, as we're able to offer a much, much broader network and much greater choice to customers.
Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And this is Steve. Not just LATAM, but Qantas and Aer Lingus, and the JVs that our competitors are applying for – they provide really fantastic benefits for travelers and our customers, and we look forward to being able to offer that as well.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Patti Waldmeir with Financial Times. Your line is open.
Patti Waldmeir - Financial Times:
All of my very efficient colleagues have asked all my questions. Thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
All right. Thank you. If you think of anything, call us back.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Edward Russell with FlightGlobal. Your line is open.
Edward Russell - FlightGlobal:
Hi. Thank you for taking my question. I'm curious, when you talk about shifting capacity away from less profitable hubs, less profitable markets, what markets or what hubs do you expect are going to be impacted by that shift? Where could we expect to see some cuts?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Here's what I'd tell you. Well, first off, we've been really successful. As I said in my opening comments, we grew DFW by 4% in terms of ASMs and we're able to outpace that with unit revenue growth. And we see our opportunities to be in Charlotte and DFW and filling out the gates in Chicago. We have growth plan for next year, as Derek has said, but it's more or less going to be GDP or lower. And we think that the gates that we have are going to be more than capable of absorbing that.
Edward Russell - FlightGlobal:
Okay.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And as we take a look at your redeployment opportunities, it really is, as Doug had said, there's utilization opportunities that we're doing now, that maybe we will cut back on. And then, in terms of around the edges, maybe some aircraft in certain parts of the network are better used certainly in those new gates. And so, it won't have a material impact on the hubs outside of DFW and Charlotte and Chicago.
Edward Russell - FlightGlobal:
Okay. So, minimal cuts at hubs like Phoenix or Philadelphia or Miami or those places, is what you're saying?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes.
Edward Russell - FlightGlobal:
Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
Thank you. And I'm currently showing no further questions at this time. I'd like turn the call back over to Doug Parker for closing remarks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Okay. My closing remarks is, thanks for your interest. Thanks for being on with us. If you have any further questions, contact Investor Relations or Corporate Communications. We're here to answer those for you. Thank you very much. Thanks, operator.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thanks for your participation. Have a wonderful day.
Executives:
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc. William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc. Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc. Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc. Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.
Analysts:
Andrew G. Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc. Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc. Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI Michael J. Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc. Leslie Josephs - CNBC John Biers - Agence France-Presse
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group First Quarter 2018 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. And now, I'd like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group first quarter 2018 earnings conference call. In the room with us or joining us in the call this morning is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, our President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room for question-and-answer session is Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications; Maya Leibman, Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; and Don Casey, our Senior Vice President of Revenue Management. We're going to start the call today with Doug, and he will provide an overview of our financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on our first quarter and provide some additional information on our guidance for the remainder of the year. Robert will then follow with a commentary on the operational performance and revenue environment. And then after we hear from those comments, we'll open the call for analysts' questions and lastly questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecasts of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events but there are numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our press release that was issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2018. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as pre-tax profit and CASM, excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is including in the earnings press release and that can be found on our website at aa.com. A webcast of this will also be archived on our website. The information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thanks, again, for joining us. At this point, I would like to turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Dan, and thanks from everybody with us. We reported this morning first quarter results of $357 million income, excluding net special items, that's $0.75 per share, thanks to the hard working people at American Airlines, who are doing a phenomenal job of taking care of our teams and keeping us on track with all of our strategic initiatives. We feel very good about where we're now. Those earnings, of course, are down year-over-year, that's driven by an increase in fuel year-over-year, which Derek will talk about. And indeed that fuel prices have increased yet again just in the last – since we closed the quarter. So, we've adjusted our full year earnings estimate accordingly. Excluding the fuel price increase, is as I say though everything else feels very good at American. We continue to work against our strategic objectives and made really nice progress in each of those. First, in creating a world-class customer experience. We continue to bring in new aircraft, retire older airplanes in what is the most aggressive modernization of aircraft fleet in the history of commercial aviation continues, with our aircraft age now well below those of our large competitors. We put in place the best property, the best lounge product ever created by a U.S. carrier with Flagship Lounges in Miami, LA, JFK, Chicago, coming soon to Dallas. We've, with the introduction of the Boeing 737 MAX's, we now have satellite Wi-Fi on domestic aircraft, something that will be continued to roll out through the entire fleet through 2019, just a huge advancement in the product for our customers allowing customers to stream. Everyone in the aircraft can stream at the same time, much different than the ground-based Wi-Fi that is in place on most of the American fleet and most of the industry' fleet today. So that work continues as we well know as far our customers on making culture a competitive advantage, a huge initiative in American. That continues, of course. In this quarter, we accrued $29 million for profit sharing for our team during the quarter. But leading forward is the biggest announcement in that regard for the quarter was the aircraft restructuring that we announced earlier in the quarter, which positions us for the future extremely well as it relates to our fleet addressing a couple of the issues that remained with our widebody fleet and pushing off some Boeing 737s, that – they're allowing us to leave in the fleets of aircraft that weren't quite range retired. And then lastly, on ensuring long-term financial strength, the earnings, in spite of those fuel price increases, contribute well to that initiative. We returned $498 million to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends in the quarter. We now have done $11.9 billion, $11 billion of which are share repurchases since the program was announced in mid-2014. And we announced yet again today a new $2 billion share repurchase authorization to be completed by December 31, 2020. So the team's done an amazing job on hitting on all cylinders. I'll let Derek now talk about – give you more details on those financials and Robert will give you more details on the operations and revenue performance.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Good. All right. Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. To start, I'd like to recognize and thank our team members who did a great job looking after our customers despite some very difficult weather events over the past few months. Even in the face of some very challenging operational conditions, their hard work allowed us to continue showing the strong revenue growth that we have achieved in recent quarters. We filed our first quarter earnings press release and 10-Q this morning. And as a reminder, on January 1, 2018, we adopted new accounting standards relating to revenue recognition as well as the income statement classification of certain pension and benefit costs. As a result, our 2017 statement of operations was recast to reflect these changes. All the period over period comparisons I will talk about today are based on these recast results. Just refer to the first quarter 2018 10-Q filed this morning as well as our 8-K filed January 25, 2018 for our recast 2017 financial statements. Higher fuel prices led to a decline in year-over-year earnings. Our first quarter 2018 GAAP net profit was $186 million or $0.39 per diluted share, as compared to our first quarter 2017 GAAP net profit of $340 million or $0.67 per diluted share. Excluding net special items, we reported a net profit of $357 million in the first quarter of 2018 versus our first quarter 2017 net profit excluding special items of $414 million. Our diluted earnings per share excluding net special items was $0.75, $0.03 better than analyst consensus. The winter storms I mentioned earlier in my remarks resulted in more than 8,000 flight cancellations primarily in the Northeast, and these negatively impacted first quarter earnings by approximately $42 million. On a pre-tax basis, our GAAP first quarter pre-tax profit was $273 million. Excluding net special items, our first quarter pre-tax profit was $468 million, resulting in a pre-tax margin of 4.5%. For the sixth consecutive quarter, we achieved positive unit revenue growth. Total operating revenues were 5.9% year-over-year to a first quarter record $10.4 billion. Passenger revenues were up 5.4% to $9.5 billion on a 1.5% improvement in yields. Our cargo team continues to produce excellent results. Our fleet transformation over the past few years has led to significant up-gauging, which allows us to transport more cargo around our network. This contributed to a 10.9% increase in volume in the first quarter. This increase in traffic, when coupled with an improved global economy, enabled us to grow our cargo revenues by 18.8% to $227 million in the first quarter on a 7.1% increase in yields. Other operating revenues were $694 million in the first quarter of 2018, up 10% year-over-year, primarily driven by revenues associated with our loyalty program. Total GAAP operating expenses for the first quarter of 2018 were $10 billion, up 9.8% versus the same quarter last year. This increase was driven primarily by a $441 million increase in consolidated fuel expenses. Had fuel prices remained unchanged versus the first quarter 2017, our total expenses would have been $412 million lower. Higher salaries and benefits expenses resulted from the mid-contract base pay increase given to our pilots and flight attendants in April of 2017, also contributed to the increase in expenses. As a result, consolidated CASM was $0.1515 in the first quarter of 2018, up 7.3% year-over-year, and our consolidated CASM, ex-fuel and special items, was $0.1157, up 2.8% year-over-year. This was lower than the guidance we provided earlier in the year, due primarily to the timing of certain maintenance expenses, which shifted from the first quarter to the second quarter. We ended the quarter with approximately $7.8 billion in total available liquidity, well above our $7 billion target minimum. The company also has a restricted cash position of $294 million. During the quarter, we completed sale leaseback transactions on the 16 remaining 2018 mainline new deliveries. In addition, we extended our financing commitment with Vendus (10:24) to finance the 10 [Embraer] ERJ-175s delivered later this year and in early 2019. We now have all of our aircraft deliveries in 2018 financed. The company made dividend payments of $48 million and repurchased 4.8 million (sic) [8.4 million] (10:41) shares at a cost of $450 million in the first quarter. Since our share repurchase program started in 2014, we have bought back $11 billion of stock. Our buyback as well as the net issuance of stock and cash extinguishment of convertible debt has reduced our share count by 38% to 467.4 million shares outstanding as of March 31. We also announced in our earnings release this morning that the board has approved a new $2 billion share repurchase authorization for completion by the end of 2020. We filed an investor update this morning, which included our guidance for the remainder of the year. Consistent with our previous guidance, we continue to expect our 2018 capacity to be up approximately 2.5% on a schedule-over-schedule basis or approximately 3% on a schedule-over-actual basis. By region, we expect our 2018 system capacity to be up approximately 3% domestically and 2.5% internationally. We also guided to a second quarter 2018 TRASM forecast increase of 1.5% to 3.5%, and Robert will provide more color on the trends we are seeing in the revenue environment. I also want to tell you more about our One Airline initiative, the company wide project that we discussed at our Media and Investor Day last fall. One Airline is designed to ensure we derive the maximum benefit from the efficiency opportunities created by the merger. We are forecasted on driving lower cost across the business – are focused on driving lower cost across the business and have identified opportunities in a number of diverse areas, such as simply returning unused airport space, freed up by co-locations and other post-merger changes; shifting a portion of our higher cost regional affiliate flying to lower – our lower cost wholly-owned subsidiaries; and new projects such as our dynamic re-accom [re-accommodation] project, which enables customers to rebook themselves on the flight of their choice in the event of irregular operations, which in turn, reduces pressure on our reservation call centers. I mentioned on the last earnings call that we expected our One Airline initiative to generate approximately $250 million of cost reductions in 2018, which is $50 million higher than our expectations at our Investor Day. We're excited by the opportunities that we have identified through this process for 2018, and expect more than $1 billion in cost reductions over the next few years. We continue to anticipate that our unit cost growth rate, excluding fuel and special items, will be approximately 2% for 2018, excluding the impact of any new labor agreements. Due to timing of expenses moving out of the first quarter, we anticipate the CASM growth will now peak in the second quarter of 2018, at up 2.5% to 4.5% year-over-year with the rate of CASM declining each quarter after that. Based on the forward curve, as of April 20, we are forecasting a 30% increase year-over-year of consolidated fuel expense in 2018 or an increase of $2.3 billion. For the full year, we now anticipate our fuel price to be between $2.16 to $2.21 per gallon. With these higher forecasted fuel prices, we expect our second quarter of 2018 pre-tax margin, excluding net special items, to be between 7.5% and 9. 5%. Since we gave our EPS guide in early April, higher fuel costs have driven an increase of approximately $0.65 per share, therefore, we are also updating our 2018 earnings per diluted share, excluding net special items guidance to be between $5 and $6 a share. Our CapEx plans for 2018 remain unchanged as we continue to expect to commit $1.8 billion in non-aircraft CapEx projects, with gross aircraft CapEx and PDPs of $1.9 billion. All of our new aircraft deliveries are designed to replace older fleet retirements. Since our last call, we have announced a significant change in our aircraft delivery plans. Following negotiations with Boeing and Airbus, we announced earlier this month that we canceled our order for 22 Airbus A350 aircraft, and expect to take delivery of additional 22 Boeing 787-8s and 25 Boeing 787-9 aircraft between 2020 and 2026. These aircraft will replace our Boeing 767s, Airbus A330-300s and certain older seven – Boeing 777-200 aircraft. Boeing is also committed to provide operating lease financing for the 787-8 deliveries. In addition, as Doug said, we agreed with Boeing to defer the delivery of 40 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft from between 2020 and 2022 to 2025 and 2026, and agreed with Airbus to defer three A321neo aircraft from 2021 to 2023. These changes further simplify our fleet and better align our aircraft delivery stream with our replacement needs. They also significantly reduce our planned CapEx, aircraft CapEx for 2019 and 2020. We now expect our aircraft CapEx for 2019 to be $2.5 billion with $1.7 billion expected for 2020. We will continue to work with the aircraft manufacturers to find mutually-beneficial opportunities to fine-tune our delivery schedule to meet our network needs. With respect to our pension obligations, we plan to make contributions of approximately 450 – sorry, $465 million in 2018, which will allow us to maintain the funded status of our plans at 80% for 2018. Roughly $207 million has been contributed through April 2018. So in conclusion, I'd like to once again thank our entire team for another excellent quarter. Your hard work is the foundation of our continued success. And with that, I will turn it over to Robert.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Derek. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Like both Doug and Derek, I'd like to thank our team members for their impressive work throughout the quarter. They worked through challenging weather conditions, including an unprecedented four Nor'easter storms in the first 20 days of March. And as Derek said, during the quarter, we canceled more than 8,000 main line and regional flights due to severe weather. This past winter, our Philadelphia and Chicago O'Hare hubs de-iced on nearly 80 days each. Throughout it all, our front-line teams did a great job of taking care of customers despite the difficult conditions and once again, demonstrated to the world what collaboration and teamwork means. So again, thanks from all of us. During the first quarter, we made tremendous progress on many of our commercial initiatives that we outlined in our Media and Investor Day last fall. As part of that plan, we said that we'd take advantage of the power of our hubs and gateways, strengthen out the domestic network and leverage our existing and potential partnerships to improve our international network. Domestically, we will launch new service to seven markets this summer. These markets not only strengthen the cities with new service, but will also add more connecting routes to our network. For example, the addition of twice-daily from Panama City, Florida to our hubs in Charlotte and DFW, add more than 175 potential O&Ds to our network. The additional of new destinations like Panama City is just one example of how we can unleash the power of our global network which not only has new destinations for our customers but also drive new, margin-accretive, high-quality revenue into our network. Another objective that we outlined was to focus our network where we believe we a have competitive advantage, which is our hubs. In Chicago, we recently opened five new gates that allow us to offer a richer pattern of service for our customers. We also reached an agreement with DFW to get access to additional gates in Terminal E. This allows us to have departures at our largest hub, enabling more customers to access our global network. Over time, and when these changes are complete, we'll operate more than 900 daily departures in DFW. Lastly, in Charlotte, we continue to look for opportunities to add profitable growth and recently we announced that we gained access to seven additional gates, which are expected to start going into service in the fall of 2019 and beyond. We have also enhanced the travel experience between our New York, La Guardia, and Chicago for our business customers by adding that route to our Seattle portfolio. The Seattle is well-known among our business and top travelers, and offers an hourly schedule dedicated, gates, dedicated check-in areas, complimentary meals at mealtimes and first class to and from Chicago, O'Hare. The Free Spirit and First Class, complementary snacks, beer and wine in all cabins. In addition, we recently filed a new application with the U.S. Department of Transportation in February, requesting antitrust immunity for our proposed joint venture with Qantas that will cover our North American and Australia and New Zealand operations. We're excited for this opportunity and look forward to its approval. With respect to our co-brand program, we are really seeing the benefits of our dual issuer model with very strong double-digit year-over-year growth and acquisitions in the first quarter. Our total card spend continues to significantly outpace GDP growth and the growth in our overall program benefits to American grew measurably in the first quarter of 2018 and is on track with our expectations. Our sales initiatives continue to produce strong revenue growth in the corporate segment. In particular, we saw an acceleration of small- to medium-sized corporate account acquisitions, floor performance remains positive with our corporate accounts. We continue to methodically expand Basic Economy, which has been effectively rolled out in the U.S. and certain markets in the Caribbean, Mexico and now across the Atlantic. We are seeing strong upsell up to our main cabin product, with conversion rates now in excess of 60%. We expect further market expansion will follow as we measure our operational and revenue performance. In addition, our highly differentiated Premium Economy product is now installed on 81 widebody aircraft and it's being sold on 58 routes at an average fare that is double the coach cabin fare. Turning to revenue. Our first quarter revenue was up 5.9% year-over-year, and was a record for the first quarter, with 3.5% year-over-year TRASM improvement. Our international performance is very strong due to solid overall demand, improved premium cabin performance, favorable currency impact and Easter shifting to an earlier date compared to 2017. Domestic unit revenue was positive as well driven by improved load factor. This is the sixth consecutive quarter of positive unit revenue growth for this system and the second quarter in a row, where all geographic entities had positive PRASM growth. Much of this improvement is directly attributable to the significant investments we have made over the past few years in our product and operation, as well as the world-class team we have assembled that continues to execute. Our Latin American performance was very strong, with PRASM up 12%, marking the seventh consecutive quarter of positive unit revenue growth. Strength was broad-based with Brazil and Mexico improving in mid-single digits and all other entities improving by double-digits. Atlantic unit revenue was up 2%. Importantly, our underlying coupon performance improved by 8.6%, but we have headwinds this quarter due to the timing of joint business settlements. Premium demand remains strong while coach pricing improved year-over-year. Currency added 4.5 points to Atlantic performance. Pacific PRASM was up 3.1% year-over-year, on basis of improved premium cabin performance. Hong Kong and Japan were our strongest markets year-over-year. In domestic, our consolidated PRASM was up 2%. On a year-over-year basis, our top-performing hubs were Miami and DFW. PRASM from close-in bookings was positive driven by Basic Economy and strong corporate demand. First quarter cargo revenue improved 18.8% year-over-year on both strong volume and yield, continuing the positive trend we've seen since the second half of 2016. Our other revenue was up by 10% driven by increased revenues associated with our loyalty program. Looking forward, we are seeing strong demand for our product both domestically and internationally. On a year-over-year basis, our comps get materially harder as the second quarter of 2017 was up significantly higher than our peers. However, our ongoing and future commercial initiatives will continue to drive revenue growth. We expect our year-over-year TRASM to be up 1.5% to 3.5% in the second quarter. This will mark the seventh quarter in a row of positive unit revenue growth for American. Consistent with the last two quarters, we expect positive unit revenue growth across our network, led by the Atlantic, followed by Pacific and Latin America. As we head into the busy summer travel period, we are encouraged with the economic environment and the strength that we see in passenger demand. We remain focused on the long-term, and we'll make smart investments and expand margins that drive value for our company. We're proud of our accomplishments thus far, and we look forward to the future. And with that said, I'd like to turn the call back over to the operator and begin our question-and-answer session.
Operator:
And we'll go first to Andrew Didora with Bank of America.
Andrew G. Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch:
Hi, good morning everyone.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi.
Andrew G. Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch:
Robert, can you give us a little bit more color around where your corporate negotiated rates are right now? Can you maybe give us some reference to where they are relative to prior peak and have you even seeing a traction accelerate of late on corporate pricing?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I'm going to let – I'm looking at Don here to...
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yes. I mean the market, corporate market continues to be pretty competitive and we're seeing much stronger close-in unit revenue growth. And part of that is related to kind of corporate and business market. In the first quarter, our total revenue related to business travel, it's with our (24:54) corporates, was actually up 7%. So we're seeing quite strong demand. And part of that 7% growth was an increase in average ticket value. So we're seeing the yields and average values go up.
Andrew G. Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch:
Got it. And Doug, I guess, what's it going to take to get back into the $5 billion kind of pre-tax income range that you talk about as being almost a baseline earnings number. Is there anything that the team can do to offset this higher fuel right now, because it just seems like maybe some of the domestic capacity out there in the schedules might keep a little bit of a lid on pricing? So is there anything that you can do accelerate on the cost side to help try to get back towards that $5 billion number?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. Thanks. The answer, of course, is yes. And we can talk about this. Because let me just talk in first about kind of what's going on here and what it does to earnings. The reality is – I'll start with this. At this level of fuel price, I'm highly confident American Airlines could produce $5 billion of pre-tax earnings. Not right now. But what I'm getting at is this fuel price increase is one of these that's happened very quickly, and it takes time to – for what's required to get – to react to that to take place, a lot of which is capacity changes, as you know. So anyway, the facts are these, since last summer, oil prices have increased over 60%. That's a big increase over a short period of time. And the last 12% of that's happened in the last two weeks. So that kind of an increase is going to have a material – is going to have an impact on airline financials. And you don't see the impact in revenues as that happens. The way revenues respond of course is through either higher fares, higher revenue, PRASM, as you know. So that's what I think. And look, the one good thing, I guess, about higher fuel prices, is it affects everybody. We all end up in the industry, needing to pay for fuel, of course. And as it increases, all of our costs increase. And indeed, the lower cost carriers' costs increase at a greater rate. That's because their cost increase of course has nothing to do with fuel prices. It's all about having a lesser product and about paying people less. So as fuel prices increase, their costs increase at a – greater than rest of us. And the good news on that is those are the carriers that are growing the fastest, and those are the carriers that are the price leaders. So again, none of that has happened yet. We don't see it yet. But my strong view is that if this is where fuel prices are going to stay for an extended period of time, you'll see those types of things respond. Going back to your $5 billion number – our number – what we believe kind of steady-state pre-tax earnings for this business are in a normal year. The number's there, it's just you obviously don't meet that number. But if our – if we had simply the same fuel price in our 2018 forecast, the 2017 one, Derek told you $2.3 billion of higher fuel, some of that is higher number of gallons, but a very small amount, $300 million of the $2.3 billion. $2 billion of the increase in our fuel price estimate for 2018 is driven entirely by higher prices. So if indeed that hadn't happened (28:37) not suggesting revenues wouldn't be somewhat different if fuel prices were exactly the same. But you all would have numbers that have us over $5 billion in 2018 earnings. So that's what's going on. Fuel prices have risen very quickly, and it takes time to adapt. I view that as a near-term problem, not a long-term problem, one that will get addressed in the long-term, one that the industry can certainly handle over time, but it doesn't happen immediately. And just like when oil prices fell precipitously, whenever that was, three or four years ago, and you saw earnings increase, only to have capacity start to come in and then revenues to fall, I suspect as it goes back up like this, there is a lag effect as well. So finally, to your question, what can we do about it, our – the main thing is – we certainly – look, we're doing everything we can on costs and we'll – if there was more that we thought made sense, we would have done it already. We don't have anything that's – now that fuel prices are higher, let's stop doing something that didn't make sense before. We're already going after this. So I don't want to lead you to believe there's – that we would go and increase or be able to reduce other costs in some material fashion. We'll certainly go do a relook to make sure there's nothing out there that we can't do even faster than Derek described. The way you deal with this primarily is on the revenue side. As our cost of production goes up, the cost of travel should go up in some way. We're not the price leaders in a lot of markets. So we'll see what happens. But none of the forecasts that we talk about anticipates that. So we'll see. But it would certainly seem logical, you see over time. And you see, in our capacity guidance, no change from the last capacity guidance. That's because, as we look out, first off, in the very near term, right into the peak summer schedule, and definitely not in our shareholders' best interest for us to be reducing capacity, as we head into the best part of the year. But as we look beyond that, we will certainly take a look on – at whether or not – again assuming fuel prices stay at this level, what's the right level of capacity. And in our case, we're growing less than the others. So there's – I'm not suggesting that – I mean we adjust as well. But certainly when you're talking about having less growth, those that are growing the least have less ability to make a large difference. But we certainly will look at ours, make sure that things like utilization flying that we've been adding in, does it still make as much sense? And look at the fleet as well. So that's where the real leverage is, is in the capacity. And I do believe, as we move forward, if indeed this is the steady state level of fuel prices, you'll see less capacity growth that people are talking about right now.
Operator:
We'll go next to Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Hey, good morning, everybody.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Jamie.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
I'm not sure who wants to take this, but why shouldn't the ancillary revenue line also include revenue associated with domestic fuel surcharges? I mean, I get that they're not permitted at the moment, but what I don't understand is why the industry isn't pushing to change this? Airlines want to be compared to other high-quality industrial transports, at least I think they do. But those companies are permitted to levy fuel surcharges. You kick-started industry consolidation. I mean, why isn't this another area where American could take a leadership position?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We're all looking at each other. Who wants to answer this?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
At the end of the day, it all hits the customer. And so it's a matter of being competitive in our offering. And so we're conscious of that. And we've got to be – ensure that we're incredibly competitive in terms of the pricing that we offer all-in.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. And Jamie, look, I could be wrong on this, but I don't think it will make a big difference in the actual price, this implies. It would just be a delineation, and one that we'd need to be moving around, is fuel prices. We know the right answer is to price your product in line with your cost of production. And whether or not it's played out the fuel surcharge or not, as Robert says, the cost – what matters is what the customer's willing to bear. And we should – again, certainly, we should all work to set our prices accordingly. We can't – we can't...
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
But don't you think that the pace of revenue recovery would be hastened, it would be faster if surcharge mechanisms were in place?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. I don't know. I guess it's a fair question, but I don't think it's material. I don't think it'll have a material impact on revenues over time, and so it's not something that we've been pushing for.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay. And second for Robert, low-cost carriers have announced capacity reductions for next year, which most of them have. They're still growing but at a retarded rate. In your mind, is this evidence, the base of the economy is having an impact? I mean ULCC is obviously disagreeing with that, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're right. Do you have any opinion on this?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Whether the base economy is affecting the ULCCs?
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
And whether that potentially lies at the root of their decision to reduce capacity next year.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Jamie, we can't talk about why others may or may not change their capacity. If you're asking about...
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
...whether we think – if you're asking about whether we think the Basic Economy price is having an impact on ULCCs? Of course, it is. Well – but prior to Basic Economy, we were matching them across the board. So, and that was having an impact. The real impact on Basic Economy is back to 10 years, but we can actually – we have a product out there for those customers who don't want to purchase that product, where they can pay a little more and have a more – a slightly improved products or largely improved products. So anyway, that's helped us more than them. What is impacting ULCCs, I would imagine, is the fact that American and other airlines have dedicated themselves to making sure we're going into be competitive on price probably for – at any fair level they chose to go to. Jamie, left.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Next.
Operator:
We'll go next to Joseph DeNardi with Stifel.
Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Yeah. Hey, good morning.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Good morning.
Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Good morning. Robert, just on the 15 extra gates at DFW. Can you just talk about what that means for Phoenix going forward? It would seem like those 15 gates could accommodate a lot of the flying being done through Phoenix. So how should we think about that?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
At least right now, I'd tell you, the two aren't connected. We know that we have profitable opportunities in the long run in DFW, and these additional gates which I think are going to create a nice regional opportunity and thereby also create some – free up some capacity for other main line aircraft as well. I think it creates a nice opportunity for the growth that we do have in the future. And as we take a look whether it's DFW or Charlotte, those are great opportunities for us to build on our strategy that we've outlined, which is to make sure that our network is focused on our hubs and gateways and that we expand the places where we have the greatest competitive advantage. And right now that is absolutely focused on DFW and Charlotte.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. And like I said, Phoenix is doing well. And if you – relative to other hub performances, Phoenix is performing nicely, so nothing about that makes us think we should do – we should be doing anything with the Phoenix hub other than continuing to do much like it's doing today. We just think there's opportunities to doing more in Dallas and Charlotte.
Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Okay. And then Robert, you've mentioned before that you view the loyalty program and kind of selling miles as another distribution channel that the airline has. It would seem like a very good one, just given how opaque it can be. But I guess my question is, why not use it more – I get these e-mails offering to sell me miles pretty frequently, it's always a horrible exchange rate. And I don't understand anyone – why anyone would buy those miles. Why not offer consumers a fair rate to get their dollars into your ecosystem and kind of leverage that distribution channel more effectively?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We think that we're using the channel and the program appropriately. It's designed to attract and retain customers, and then a tremendous amount of utility is offered by expanding through the relationships that we've been able to establish with the co-brand cards and other partners. We look for opportunities, but we think we're making smart decisions. And in the areas that we see growth, especially with the co-brand cards, we think we're doing the right thing and are really confident in enhancements in those products that we see coming throughout the rest of this year and beyond.
Operator:
We'll go next to Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Hunter.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Good morning. Hey, guys. Hey, Doug. So, I realize that this might be a timing issue, and if it is, you can please tell me that. But can you help me understand the rationale for lowering the earnings guide on fuel and then not concurrently at the same time reducing some of that incrementally on productive capacity, or is it just sort of like a timing mismatch between the reporting cycle and capacity planning?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. Thank you. That's a good question, and I try to answer – I can do it better now with a more direct question. The answer, yeah, we – yes, we – look, just yesterday, as we get ready for our earnings call, it's at a new fuel price, and it's gone up from two weeks we last did it enough that we begin like 12% since – in the last two weeks. So that led to the EPS guide, and we haven't yet made decisions on capacity that I talked about. But there won't be any, by the way, Hunter, for this summer, nor should there be. So to the extent there are going to be any – we'll look to do as we start to build our fall schedule and we don't have anything to report on that yet. So does it mean that we're – you should expect that if fuel prices stay here, we won't make changes. But it's also, there's nothing for us to tell you right now as to what those will be.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Okay. Thank you. And then Derek, couple of years ago, on one of these calls, you said we should expect roughly flat interest expense over the next five years. But since then, your margins and earnings have been cut in half. Is there a – basically cut in half. Is there a thought to redressing that view now that sort of the margin for error above the line is so much thinner?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No. Oh, go ahead Doug.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah, no. Sorry. I was just – Derek said no, and then I'll provide some color, which is – I mean, part and parcel of it, Jamie is...
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hunter...
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hunter, whoever you are.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
I've been called worse.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I'm sorry, yes. You have. I'm sorry, Hunter. So anyway, the – look, the question, of course, if you're asking about lower interest expenses is about (40:23). And we feel really comfortable with our capital structure. In good or bad times, that's why we have it set this way. The way we protect against bad times is by carrying a whole lot of cash, and we continue to do so. More than our competitors, we don't think the right thing for our shareholders is to go pay down incredibly efficient debt, and which is what we have right now. We're paying down – we pay down debt and have paid down all the higher cost debt, but the debt we're adding now is tied to – the other point I would make, of course, is we have much higher asset values than our other competitors because of the new aircraft. So there's a reason for the higher debt and it's financed – it really get rich, we think it's in the best interest of our shareholders to make sure that we avail ourselves of those rates certainly much lower than the cost of equity. And do so – and then to protect ourselves against any sort of downturn by holding more cash dollars. We like that structure, we think it's best for our shareholders, we think it's best for America and our team.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Okay, thanks a lot.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Hunter.
Operator:
We'll go next to Rajeev Lalwani with Morgan Stanley.
Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC:
Hi, good morning, gentlemen.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi.
Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC:
Doug, not to beat you up on the fuel and capacity question. But you make a pretty compelling argument about higher fuel leading to lower capacity but how do you reconcile that with last year where we've actually seen the opposite lower, high – we have lower capacity and now higher capacity, as fuel has moved up, and help me out with that.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I'll try. To be clear, when I said the capacity would adjust to higher fuel prices over time, I don't think they'll be less capacity. I think there'll be less capacity than there would have been otherwise. So it's hard to know what would have happened to capacity had fuel prices stayed where they were. But I do believe – and I would certainly agree with you, as fuel prices had risen, even through the back half of last year, I don't think you saw changes in people's capacity adjustment. My own personal view on that is, it ramped pretty quickly, and I don't know that everyone really believed that we're going to stay there. So if you're going to make capacity adjustments or – a lot – it requires some belief that out into the future, I think the belief out into the future about oil prices was probably one of – well, they ran up in a hurry, but there were a lot of fundamental reasons why they could go back to where they've been for the last few years. If indeed now we see they just continue to grow, I can tell you, I think, from our perspective and, therefore, I imagine for almost everyone, it leads you start questioning whether or not this is where we're going to be. This is where we are and there need to be adjustments, so that's what I think. I think you're going to see it run, and you can see changes that ran up in the back half of last year, largely because it was unclear as to whether or not that was the new normal. This is feeling somewhat more like the new normal. So we need to adjust our business plans accordingly.
Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC:
That's helpful. Thanks, Doug. And then another question for you. Historically, you've done a pretty good job of taking advantage of the volatility in your stock. And you've even showed that in some of your presentations. And we've seen that again more recently with the weakness in your stock. I mean, would you consider doing what you did before, which is sort of lever up, buy back your stock and sort of take advantage of these dislocations, if you will, or do you feel like leverages is a bit full now relative to where you want it to be. Maybe that's a question for Derek as well.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. Well, first up, to be clear, I wouldn't describe what we did as levering up to our stock. It is not what we did. We increased the debt on the company. And as we acquired new long-life assets, which were aircraft and we did that at really efficient rates. So, and at the same time, we had after earnings and making sure we're taking care of our team and taking care of the exceptional amount of pent-up demand for capital in this airline, after making sure we paid off all of our high-cost debt to the extent we still had cash in excess of what we thought was the extremely high level that we like to keep, we did of course what we always do, which is return it to our shareholders, and that remains the commitment. So, to the extent we have cash over and above what we believe the minimum is, having done all of those things, we'll continue return it to our shareholders. And we really – we try very hard to do it in an intelligent way. And there is no doubt that where the stock is today, it looks like a nice buying opportunity for American Airlines shareholders.
Operator:
We'll go next to Brandon Oglenski with Barclays.
Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
Hey. Good morning, everyone. So, not to belabor this point up, but can you talk about at that target earnings level that you guys have put out there, like what kind of macro assumptions should we be assuming in the economy? And if we're assuming a stronger economy, shouldn't we also have baked in higher fuel prices, looking back when you set those targets?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I'm sorry. Can you repeat that? I'm sorry I missed it a little bit.
Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
Well, I guess, what are you assuming underlying in the economy to hit your target earnings level? And shouldn't that also be associated with higher fuel prices? I mean, economic growth and higher energy costs kind of go hand-in-hand. Right?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Perhaps. Look, as we got – this may take a little longer than you wanted. Sorry. I got to separate the three, five, seven from like a near-term forecast versus what it really is. So what we have said and continue to say and continue to believe is that we have an airline that has steady-state earnings potential and at the current size of about $5 billion pre-tax per year. We believed that from about the time of the merger, it's been true in some years, not true in the last couple years that we made that or more. We continue to believe that's a good number. We believe in it so much that's how we set our annual incentive compensation for the executives of American Airlines. So if we make $5 billion pre-tax, then we have target bonuses for the team. If it's less than that, we pay less. If it's below $3 billion, there's no bonus. If it's as high as $7 billion, it's a maximum bonus. Those are not – so they're not just statements we make. Those are – that's how we compensate ourselves because that's what we believe. So then you ask – I think what you asked was, well, gee, why didn't your projections have higher fuel prices in it? We didn't go make that – we didn't go set that number based on projections of any given year. That's a – those are – that's a number again that we say should be true in kind of a steady-state year. So I guess a better – I prefer to answer the question this way, which is, well, then why in 2018, a steady-state year, because you just gave us earnings guidance which is lower than that. What I would tell you is, it's because fuel price alone is driving $2 billion higher expenses in 2018 than it did in 2017, a year where we made $4 billion. So that is what's driving us to not have 2018 currently forecast as one of those years. It's the increase in fuel prices year-over-year. And I do believe, as I said at the outset, that we have an airline that can make $5 billion at $75 a barrel oil. That's not the issue. This is a short-term, a more near-term issue. It happening so fast and going up so quickly. So but if everything stayed at this level, we still believe we have an airline that will make $5 billion in steady-state times.
Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
I appreciate that. And then you guys laid out a lot of commercial initiatives at the Analyst Day last year. I mean, can you tell us where you're seeing the most traction right now across all the new product offering presentation?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
So, yeah, this is exciting for us because there's still so much to come, and we've really accomplished a lot. So Don and I have talked about where we stand with Basic Economy. We think that there's still more room to go there. We've obviously expanded recently into the Atlantic and Mexico and Caribbean. But it's not quite as broad as we think it will be. Premium Economy is really just getting started. We now have, as I mentioned, 81 aircraft in – with Premium Economy seats, and offering it. So it's really getting started. We won't be done with the fit-out of all of our aircraft until May of next year. But we'll have a sizable chunk out there and selling. And we're – and as we said, we're seeing great traction on that. And we're seeing fares that are basically double the main cabin fare, which is great. I'll let Don talk a little bit more about revenue management initiatives that we've seen. But then the other things that we laid out at Investor Day were along the lines of making sure our network is producing everything that it can. And we've made good progress, but we're probably only a quarter to a third of the way through, where we think that that will ultimately lead us. You know about the investment that we've made with our sales team and making sure that we're really aggressive out in the marketplace. Good traction there but still really only just getting started. Frequent flyer programs and the work with our co-brand card, about half of the way through on that front, which is great progress. And then we haven't even started yet on the seat harmonization work that we talked about. And that is putting new seats on our [Boeing] 737-300 – or [Boeing] 737-800 fleet and then also making sure that we have common cabin configurations throughout the rest of our fleet types. That has not even started. And so we think that there is nearly $500 million of benefit that we'll see over the next few years as those installations progress. Don?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yeah. I'll finish that on the revenue management front. We made our first kind of major enhancement to our kind of coach cabin management system that we put in place in the middle of 2015. And we put that out of place late last year. And just this month, we moved our premium cabin controls to bid-price controls. This is going to enable the system to make much better network decisions at the individual flight level. As Robert mentioned, we had outlined $2.9 billion in revenue initiatives. Everything is on track, and people should really – I guess right at 60% of that benefit is going to improve in the – through 2019 to 2021.
Operator:
We'll go next to Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Hey, thanks. I may have missed it in the commentary, but can you talk about what the implied domestic RASM is, if you see that positive in the second quarter? And then as my follow-up, United rolled out Basic Economy I think in May of last year, pretty aggressively, and a bit earlier than you did. It felt like there was some share shift positively to you. Do you – can you quantify what that impact was in the second and third quarters?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Sure. So first of all, just in terms of domestic performance, and as we look forward into the second quarter, we still seal expect our domestic unit revenue to be positive as we look into the second quarter. This will be the seventh consecutive quarter of positive revenue growth. Basic Economy will be a part of that. We rolled that out in September, so we're continuing to get the benefit of that as we roll through the second and third quarters this year. To be honest with you, we did not see any large impact related to United's rollout of Basic Economy. They did aggressively rolled up only at the fare ladder, when they rolled out in May. But by the time they got through the end of June, they had to have reverse that. And so we saw a little bit of benefit in the second quarter, very little in the third quarter, and so we don't see that as a material year-over-year impact. We just look at our own results.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Thank you.
Operator:
We'll go next to Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Michael J. Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Yeah, hey. Just two here, one for Derek, the cancellation of the A350 order. Where does that show or where does that show up in your numbers or will it show up in things like equipment purchase deposits? Should we see any impact on the balance sheet?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No. You won't see any impact there. We can't talk about what we did to do that, but it's a very small portion. We had some PDPs that were out for that and we could use those for other things. So that's the – the biggest thing is no return of PDPs that we had.
Michael J. Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Okay, great. And then just a second question to Robert. Robert, you brought this up, and maybe Don can help answer, but when you talked about strong or good close-in performance in the March quarter, I know you mentioned premium or corporate, but I think you also mentioned Basic Economy in the same sentence. Was that – so Basic Economy driving close-in, was that part of it, or did I not hear correctly?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yeah. This is Don. Yes, so our Basic Economy helps close-in revenue because many of our corporate customers are not buying Basic Economy, and they're buying up the higher fares where they were being able to buy at the Basic Economy level before we had the Basic Economy product. So part of our kind of strong year-over-year PRASM performance, again, when we get within 7 days departure of is related to the rollout of Basic Economy.
Operator:
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Operator, let's go to media.
Operator:
We'll go to Leslie Josephs with CNBC.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey Leslie.
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
Hey. On the fuel costs, are – I see some carrier imposed charges already. Are fuel surcharges included in that? And do you see that expanding to other markets? I know you can't for domestic, but for some other ones?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We'll just have to see, I mean we're not going to comment on forward pricing.
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
Okay. Okay.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
It's going to have to – so we'll see what happens with...
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
Okay. And then just on the Basic Economy, do you see that moving to other markets too and if so where?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Right now as you know, we've recently rolled out into the Atlantic, and we're going to see how it does there and we do think that there's opportunity elsewhere, and it will just take time to see.
Leslie Josephs - CNBC:
Okay. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks Leslie.
Operator:
Okay. We'll go next to John Biers with AFP Capital (sic) [Agence France-Presse] (57:26).
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We're back to the analysts. Hi.
John Biers - Agence France-Presse:
Hi. Can you guys hear me?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah, we can.
John Biers - Agence France-Presse:
You can. Okay. Hi. It's John Biers with Agence France-Presse actually. My question is you guys talked a lot about higher fuel costs. I wondered we've been hearing some other company first of all do you expect ultimately at the end of the day that that will result in a high – if fuel prices stay high, that will result in overall higher fares by consumers maybe it's not tomorrow but in the coming months. That'd be my first question. And then second, I would say, we've heard some other companies about, just in general about cost inflation on material. I'm wondering if you had encountered that in for example you're talking with aerospace companies about building the new claims. Is that something you're hearing a lot about in general or is inflation – do you think inflation in general or something else there?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yeah, okay. On the first one, oil is our second largest expense, a material amount of our total expenses. So when it increases, the cost of air travel increases. So I do believe that consumers will pay more not so much but they will in fact demand in a material way. But that's what happens in most businesses as you're referencing. With your next question as the cost production goes up and indeed the cost of the product generally follows. So if indeed, this is where fuel prices against – I would expect you would see higher fares to consumers over time. On the second one Robert you go ahead.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. On the second one – yes, the answer is we're constantly engaged with aircraft manufacturers, engine manufacturers – all suppliers and partners to find new and better ways to work. And so whether that's aircraft design and work on fuel burn on aircraft, and reducing weight, and making things easier to maintain and service – those are all things that we work on all the time.
Operator:
And at this time there are no further questions. I will turn the call back to management for further comments.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
All right. Thank you very much, and thank you all for your interest. As always – if you – anybody has any questions you can contact the incredible media. If you have any questions, contact corporate communications. We appreciate your interest. Thanks.
Operator:
That does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation.
Executives:
Daniel Cravens - Managing Director, Investor Relations Doug Parker - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Derek Kerr - Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Robert Isom - President Don Casey - Senior Vice President of Revenue Management Maya Leibman - Chief Information Officer
Analysts:
Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Kevin Crissey - Citi Hunter Keay - Wolfe Research Jamie Baker - J.P. Morgan Helane Becker - Cowen and Company Daniel McKenzie - Buckingham Research Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News Conor Shine - The Dallas Morning News Alana Wise - Reuters
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group Fourth Quarter 2017 earnings call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And now, I'd like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens. Please go ahead sir.
Daniel Cravens:
Thanks Alan and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group fourth quarter 2017 earnings conference call. In the room with us this morning is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room with us for our Q&A session is Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications; Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; and Don Casey, our Senior Vice President of Revenue Management. We're going to start the call today with Doug, and he will provide an overview of our financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the fourth quarter and provide some additional information on our 2018 guidance. Robert will then follow with commentary on the operational performance and revenue environment and then after we hear from those comments, we'll open the call for analyst questions and lastly questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and a followup. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecasts of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of those risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning, and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2017. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning such as pre-tax profit and CASM, excluding unusual items. A reconciliation to those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and that can be found on our website at aa.com. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thanks again for joining us. At this point, I will turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Dan. Thanks, everybody, for being on. Like this 2017 was a great year for American Airlines from a financial perspective as we announced this morning. We made excluding special items $3.8 billion pretax, that's $2.4 billion after tax or $4.88 a share. In terms of accomplishments, the teams did a phenomenal job through sometimes difficult circumstances. In regard to creating a world-class customer experience we produced record-setting operational reliability to American and we did that where we continued the most aggressive and successful aircraft modernization program in the history of commercial aviation. We've introduced the best lounge product ever created by a U.S. carrier with flagship lounges in Miami, LAX, JFK, and improvements in Chicago. We successfully rolled out our basic and premium economy products. We expanded our network where we have strategic advantage which is in and out of hubs and it's all working. Our customer survey data on likelihood to recommend is the highest of American Airlines history and our year-over-year growth in revenue was industry leading. As to making culture a competitive advantage we started the year by giving each team member two round-trip positive based tickets in appreciation of their work and allowing American Airlines to win the Air transport World’s 2017 Airline of the Year award. The first time American won that since 1988. We ensured our team member pay remained competitive through initiatives such as the unilateral mid-contract pay adjustment for our pilots and flight attendants. We invested several $100 million in team member facilities throughout the system as well as equipment improvements. We brought some maintenance work back in-house. We launched the first team member survey in over a decade and now we ended the year by sharing the long-term benefits of the recent tax cuts and jobs acts by issuing $1000 payments to all of our non-officer team members. All that added up to help ensure some long-term financial strength we returned $1.7 billion to shareholders through repurchases and dividends. The totals versus 2014 now is $11.4 billion. We announced up $3.9 billion in revenue and cost initiatives that are expected to be realized by the end of 2021. And then finally in terms of thinking forward and leaning forward, we forged strategic alliance with China Southern. We strengthened our relationship with our other key global partners and made important advancements in next generation technology and we improved our long term strategic position in critical airports like LAX and Chicago. So we are extremely proud of what our team accomplished and our 120,000 team members that made it happen. We entered 2018 with great momentum and we are bullish about our future. So with that said, I'll turn it over to Derek, who will give you some more detail on the financials and then we'll go to Robert who has some more color on the revenue and the operations fronts. Derek?
Derek Kerr:
Thanks Doug, and good morning everybody. Before I begin, I'd like to thank our team members for the great job they did in 2017 taking care of our customers. Our company continues to take great strides forward and the progress we've made is entirely due to their efforts. We filed our fourth quarter and full-year earnings press release this morning. In that release, our fourth quarter 2017 GAAP net profit was $258 million or $0.54 per diluted share, down $31 million from our fourth quarter 2016 GAAP net profit of $289 million. On a full year basis our GAAP net profit for 2017 was $1.9 billion or $3.90 per diluted share compared to our 2016 GAAP net profit of $2.7 billion. Excluding net special items we reported a net profit of $455 million in the fourth quarter 2017 versus our fourth quarter 2016 net profit excluding special items of $475 million. Our diluted earnings per share excluding net special items were $0.95 per share which was up 3.5% from $0.92 per diluted share that we had in the fourth quarter of 2016. For the full year our 2017 net income excluding special items was $2.4 billion or $4.88 per diluted share versus 2016 at 43.2 billion or $5.71 per diluted share. On a pretax basis, GAAP fourth quarter 2017 pretax profit was $425 million. Excluding net special items our fourth quarter pretax profit was $739 million resulted in a pretax margin of 7%. For the full year our GAAP pretax profit of $3.1 billion if we exclude special items the number is $3.8 billion and a pretax margin of 9.1%. For the sixth consecutive quarter our fourth quarter revenue performance led the industry. Total operating revenues were up $8.3% year-over-year to $10.6 billion. Passenger revenues were up 8.1% to $9 billion primarily driven by a 4.4% yield improvement. Our cargo team continues to produce great results. Cargo revenues were up 19.7% to $232 million in the fourth quarter due in part to a 12.2% increase in volume. Other operating revenues were $1.3 billion, up 8.1% year-over-year primarily driven by higher bank fees and frequent flyer revenue. Total GAAP operating expenses for the fourth quarter of 2017 were $9.9 billion up 9.8% versus the same period last year. This increase was driven by higher consolidated fuel expense which was up 23.5%, higher salaries and benefits expenses as a result of the mid-contract base pay increase given to our pilots and flight attendants in April 2017, and higher revenue related expenses and depreciation. As a result consolidated CASM was 14.71 cents up 7.1% year-over-year and our consolidated CASM ex-fuel and special items was 11.25 cents up 3.8% year-over-year due primarily to the expense increases I just mentioned. We ended the year with approximately $7.6 billion in total available liquidity comprised of cash and investments of $5.1 billion $2.5 billion in undrawn revolver capacity. The company also had a restricted cash position of $318 million. Our Treasury team continued to be busy in the fourth quarter completing five aircraft mortgages and two sale/lease back transactions. In addition, we successfully repriced two term loans bringing our entire term loan performance portfolio to an industry-leading rate of 200 basis points over LIBOR. All of these transactions helped contribute to the long-term financial strength of American. During the fourth quarter the company made dividend payments of $48 million and repurchased 4.6 million shares at a cost of $227 million. Total capital return to shareholders in 2017 was $1.7 billion, $1.6 billion in share repurchases and $200 million in dividends and since mid-2014 as Doug said our total is $11.3 billion of capital returned to shareholders. As a result of these repurchases, our share count outstanding as of December 31, 2017 was 475.5 million a reduction of 37% from the merger close in December 2013. In addition to our earnings release, we also filed our investor update this morning. As discussed at our Investor Day in September we will now provide guidance on a consolidated basis and longer-term CASM CapEx and fleet guidance. We also disclosed in our updated that due to the adoption of new accounting standards on January 1, 2018 relating to revenue recognition as well as the income statement classification of certain pension and benefit costs, we would provide recast numbers for 2017 reflecting those changes. Under the new revenue standard our 2017 pretax income received a non-cash benefit of $311 million. The reclassification of certain pension and benefit costs resulted in a net $138 million gain moving from operating to non-operating expense and has no effect on the 2017 pretax income. The recast financial statements are included along with the investor update we filed as an 8-K this morning and should be used as a baseline for your models. We continue to expect our 2018 capacity to be up approximately 2.5% on a schedule over schedule basis which is consistent with guidance provided on our third quarter 2017 earnings call and in line with anticipated GDP growth. The hurricanes that hit Florida and the Caribbean last September which resulted in more than 8000 flight cancellations is expected to add approximately 50 basis points of this guidance on a schedule over actual basis. The full year growth is driven by an increase in utilization of about two points, completion factor increase of about half a point, and engage of about a half a point. By region we expect 2018 system capacity to be up approximately 3% both domestically and internationally. By quarter we expect first quarter consolidated capacity to be up 666.2 billion ASMs, second quarter to be 73.4 billion ASMs, third quarter 76.76 [ph] billion ASMs and the fourth quarter to be 69.1 billion ASMs. As discussed at our Investor Day and reiterated on our third quarter 2017 earnings call, we continue to anticipate that our unit cost growth rates will trend lower throughout the year and expect 2018 full-year nonfuel CASM to increase by approximately 2% excluding the impact of any new labor. This guidance includes approximately $250 million of cost reductions from our One Airline initiative which is $50 million higher than what we had outlined at our Investor Day. We expect our first quarter consolidated CASM excluding fuel and special items to be up approximately 3% to 5% on a year-over-year basis with the increase driven in part by the rate increases given to our pilots and flight attendants last April which is not in our 2017 first quarter base, higher depreciation and amortization, increases in revenue related expenses and increases in rent and landing fees. For the remainder of the year we expect our CASM growth to trend lower. In the second quarter CASM was up 1.5% to 3.5%, third quarter 0.5% to 2.5% and fourth quarter will be up approximately 0 to 2% versus 2017. Based on the forward curve as of January 22, we are forecasting a 24.1% year-over-year increase in consolidated fuel expense in 2018 or about $1.8 billion year-over-year. We anticipate paying between $2.06 to $2.11 per gallon for the year. By quarter in the first it is $2.07 to $2.12, second quarter $2.07 to $2.12 [ph] also in the second quarter and the third quarter $2.06 to $2.11 and in the fourth quarter $2.03 to $2.08. Following the passing of the recent tax cuts and job act our book tax rate has been reduced from approximately 38% to approximately 24%. As a result of tax reform the company recorded a special non-cash tax benefit of $7 million to reflect the impact of the lower rate on our deferred tax accounts. In addition, under the new law we expect to receive cash tax refunds of approximately $170 million in both 2019 and 2020 related to the repeal of the corporate alternative minimum tax. While we currently do not pay federal cash income taxes, the new law will substantially reduce the company's tax bill in the future when we do become a cash taxpayer which will be a significant benefit for all of our American stakeholders. Robert will talk more about our fourth quarter 2018 TRASM forecast increase of $2% to 4% but when we combine the cost guidance we just gave we expect the first quarter 2018 pretax margin excluding special items to be between 2% and 4%. In addition, we also are providing long-term earnings per share guidance at this point. We expect our 2018 earnings per diluted share to be between $5.50 to $6.50 and we will intend to tighten that range as the year progresses. Our capital plans for 2018 include a decline in spending from previous years due primarily to lower aircraft CapEx. Our fleet renewal program will continue in 2018, but at a much slower rate. For the full year we expect gross CapEx to total $1.8 billion as compared to $4.1 billion in 2017. This includes the delivery of 22 mainline and five regional aircraft. These will replace older Super 80s, Dash 8s and CRJ 200 aircraft. We also expect to commit $1.8 billion in non-aircraft CapEx to continue the merger integration and complete projects to improve our product and operations such as narrowbody retrofit programs, the ongoing installation of premium economy on our wide-body aircraft and improvement in our clubs and new campus facilities. With respect to our pensions, on our last call I had estimated that our 2018 pension contribution would be approximately $780 million which will fund our pensions to 80%. However, in 2017 our pension assets had strong investment performance and as a result we now expect to make pension contributions of only $465 million in 2018 to reach that 80% funded level. This amount is significantly more than the minimum required contribution of abruptly $35 million in 2018. So in conclusion I'd like to once again congratulate our entire team for another excellent year and thank them for getting our customers where they need to go safely and on time. With that, I will turn the call over to Robert.
Robert Isom:
Thanks Derek and good morning everybody. Before I begin my remarks I'd like to echo what both Doug and Derek said and thank our entire team for taking care of our customers throughout the year. They worked through hot temperatures, cold temperatures, rains, snow, ice, hurricanes and even earthquakes and demonstrated to the world what teamwork at American Airlines is all about. So from all of us I'd like to offer sincere thank you for a great year. In 2017 we worked hard to validate the trust placed in us by our customers, team members, and shareholders. Our efforts were focused on key areas that would help us earn and maintain that trust, such as improve reliability and revenue performance, service to important new markets, customer experience enhancements and improve team member relations. As we look at our operations, the investments we made in prior years are starting to pay off. We've reduced schedule churn, implemented airport service management tools at key hubs, brought innovated automation tools online and enhanced our maintenance processes. All of these changes are evident in our operating stats as our performance was significantly better in 2017 versus 2016. In 2017 we posted our best full year results in on-time departures, on-time arrivals and baggage handling since our merger closed in 2013. Our completion factor would have set records too, but was significantly impacted by the back-to-back-to-back hurricanes in September that impacted the Caribbean and Southeast United States. In November we set records in each of the core metrics and equally important, our operational performance during the peak summer and holiday periods were significantly improved versus 2016. Our full year 2017 revenue performance finished well ahead of 2016 with a 3.9% year-over-year TRASM improvement. Our investments in our product and our team members together with highly effective marketplace execution across all commercial areas set us apart as we outperformed the industry in every quarter during 2017. We continue to innovate in revenue management with our focus on the premium cabin which delivered a full 2 points to system unit revenue improvement. We attracted nearly 24,000 new small-to-medium sized corporate accounts through revitalized sales efforts and investments and saw improvements in our revenue share premium to fair share in the business agency channel of 2.6 points. The effective launch of our basic economy and premium economy products in 2017 were well accepted by the marketplace and we're looking forward to expanding those products further in 2018 and beyond. 2017 also brought the highly anticipated opening of the flagship lounges in JFK, Miami, Chicago, Los Angeles, which have been met with enthusiastic reviews. Flagship lounges will be added to DFW, Philadelphia, London Heathrow in the future. We also opened new Admirals Club locations in Orlando, Houston, Los Angeles Terminal 5 and Toronto with refurbished clubs opening in JFK, Chicago and Los Angeles Terminal 4. In 2017 we also introduced several new customer service tools with dynamic re-accommodation, customer bag notification, Notify All and a refreshed mobile app. All of those tools will help to provide a smooth customer journey, both on the ground in the year. We're also enhancing the customer experience in Main Cabin Extra. As we announced in September, we'll be adding free drinks and easier to use overhead bin space in Main Cabin Extra. The new placards will go on to the overhead bins next week and that free drink is coming in the spring. On the fleet side, 2017 was the final year of our Accelerative Fleet Renewal Program where we inducted more than 400 mainline and 100 regional aircraft. We added an average of 97 aircraft per year from 20 14 to 2017 and expect to only induct 27 aircraft in 2018. We also made good progress on several projects that will improve profitability and enhance the customer experience. The 777-200 retrofit program which involved updating the aircraft interiors, adding new IFE and Wi-Fi was completed in mid-2017 Premium Economy officially launched in early May on the 787-9 aircraft and customer response has been very positive. More than half the planned widebody fleet now features this highly differentiated product and all planned aircraft will have it installed by the fourth quarter of this year. The 777-200 fleet, the high density 777-200 fleet and the 330-200s are fully installed and work is underway on the 777-300 fleet as well. In addition, the narrowbody satellite Wi-Fi project that we outlined at the Investor Day in September commenced in the fourth quarter. And lastly, we completed the mainline livery repainting project in the fourth quarter. So all mainline aircraft that are planned to stay in the fleet have now been painted. Turning to revenue, the demand environment continues to be strong. Our fourth quarter consolidated PRASM was up 5.4% and our fourth quarter TRASM was up 5.6%, marking the fifth consecutive quarter of positive unit revenue growth and the sixth consecutive quarter where we outpaced the industry average growth rate. Improvement was broad-based with every entity in a positive territory for the quarter. In fact we closed out the year with every entity with positive unit revenue growth for the entire year. We had another quarter of strong performance in the corporate segment and forward outlook remains positive as our sales investments and initiatives continue to take hold. Corporate revenue continued to improve quarter over quarter ending the fourth quarter 2017 with the highest year-over-year growth of the last eight quarters. In the domestic, our consolidated PRASM was up 5.7%. We were able to deliver both load factor and yield improvements with continually improving revenue management execution in both the trough and peak periods. DFW and Phoenix led the way and improved performance. The improvements were broad-based with every hub exhibiting unit revenue growth. Our Latin America performance was very strong with PRASM up 6.3%, notwithstanding Brazil unit revenue being flat year-over-year. The rest of South America, the Caribbean and Central America, all had double-digit revenue - unit revenue growth. Atlantic unit revenue was up 7.7%, the best result we've seen since the merger. Improved execution of low-cost carrier price matching together with strong premium cabin performance due to our premium cabin initiatives were the primary drivers and the UK led the way with double digit growth. Across the Pacific, PRASM was up 1.2% year-over-year in line with performance from previous quarters, while growing capacity by 7.5% with the launch of Los Angeles to Beijing, again our strong premium cabin performance made the material difference. Fourth quarter cargo revenue improved 19.7% year-over-year on both strong volume and yields, continuing a positive trend that we've seen since the second half of 2016. We expect our year-over-year TRASM to be up 2% to 4% in the first quarter. This will mark the sixth quarter in a row of positive unit revenue growth. Consistent with 2017 we expect all four entities to have positive unit revenue growth led by Latin, followed by Atlantic, then Domestic and Pacific. As we look to 2018 we continue to be encouraged with the revenue environment and are excited about what that means for American. Over the past few years we've made significant investments in our team, our product, and our operations and those are all paying off. We're proud of what our team has accomplished so far and we look forward to the future and with that, I'd like to turn the call back over to the operator and begin our question-and-answer session.
Operator:
Thank you, sir. [Operator Instructions] And we will take our first question from Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay, good morning guys. Two questions here, just on the guidance in the non-operating [ph] it looks like you're getting a $300 million benefit there and it does look like I guess Republics in there. Is some of that what just been with the pension I know you've had a pension benefit that ran through the P&L is that showing up in there? What's driving that number?
Derek Kerr:
Yes that's all, Michael most of that is the pension benefit. The Republic, since we're 25% ownership we do have to use the equity method of accounting, but that's a small portion. In 2017 it was only $14 million. So, most of this is the pension credit, the 138 coming down to that bottom line.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay and so that you know under the old accounting Derek, that pension piece would have just shown up in salary and wage expense?
Derek Kerr:
Correct it would have been a credit to salaries and then wages.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay perfect and then second question on, I really appreciate the fact that you guys are providing a fleet plan all the way out to 2020, this is great. I'm curious on two things, it looks like the A330- 300s do they go away and I'm curious if they are going to be offset by other widebodys, it looks like you're widebody fleet actually shrinks in 2020, are we going to see international capacity down? And then the E190s also look like they go away at the end of 2018 am I reading that right?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I think two things to look at. I think you know focus more on '18 and '19 because we know where we are on those two. The plan is to take the Embraer 190 fleet and the MD-80 fleet out by the end of '19 and that's firm in the plan. We are working from a widebody perspective as we talked about on the call as before, you see the A350s coming in in 2020, you know we've had conversations about that. Those would replace - they are currently set to replace aA330-300s and other widebodys as they come in. We have talked about that. We're working with Airbus and Boeing on other options from a widebody perspective just to see where we go with that. So I think this can change out in the farther years in 2020. I think the fleet plan over the time period should stay pretty flat. Right now we have it going down a little bit in 2020 because this just represents the transactions that we have in place today and that are firm. Nothing other than that. So I would expect probably from an aircraft standpoint that the 951 we have at 2018 you know probably stays pretty flat in that 940 to 950 range through 2020 and then as we see on the regional aircraft we do stay within the 600, 590 to 600 range. So there will be some tweaks and we'll continue to update you as we move forward on each of these. But I would assume that this fleet stays pretty flat over the next to two to three years.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay great, thanks Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Thank you, Mike.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Kevin Crissey with Citi.
Kevin Crissey:
Good morning, thanks for the time. Kind of an off, unusual question I think and maybe it's for Derek or I'm not sure who should answer this. If we think about the return on invested capital of the underlying airline, it's improved significantly, and while cargo has improved, you know, you mentioned that how well cargo was doing on a year-over-year basis, I wanted to get an understanding of how cargo return on invested capital fully allocated compares to that of the airline because it might – sense is historically is that it hasn't had you know it may be was contributing when the airline was weaker, but it may be not be meeting that standard now, so I wanted to understand how you think about cargoes return relative to the airline? Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Hey Kevin, I'll start and then Robert can just give you more color if you'd like on the cargo business of it. Trying to put a return on invested capital on the cargo business, you know which basically assumes that capital is dedicated in the cargo businesses [indiscernible]. We invest in capital through our people and cargo and we invest in their plans and a lot more for people than for cargo. So you need to put them together and it's impossible. It's really difficult and we certainly don’t intend to put our returns on just the cargo business. They come together when you acquire the capital and aircraft. We certainly don’t think there's enough return in that business for an airline like American to go invest in freighters for example. That's someone else's business, but because we invest, because we do a really nice job of connecting people around the globe, we can indeed fly around our cargo and then again that business is as you noted, as we noted is picking up, anything to add Robert?
Robert Isom:
No this is just that, that belly space on those aircraft are going to be flying around no matter what we do and the cool thing about the fleet renewal program is that as we take a look at 767s leaving the fleet and bringing on things like you know 787s, the capacity that comes with that is really helpful. So we're seeing benefit from that, both in the opportunity to put more cargo on the plains and at the end of the day I'm really confident that the profitability, the marginal profitability of that product is well worth being in the business.
Kevin Crissey:
How was it that you determined the appropriate pricing levels then forward if it's seen as like basically free belly space?
Robert Isom:
It’s free belly space. Of course there's equipment and people in that and we price it to achieve, you know and we're not going to get into that today, but we price it to achieve what we consider a significant margin and you know a margin that in many cases exceeds what we would see from aspects of our passenger revenue. We've got a great cargo team led by Rick Elieson, who was appointed earlier this past year taking over from Jim Butler. We're returning to levels of production that we really haven’t seen since 2014. And when you take a look at, you know, what we've actually produced over the last couple of quarters, it’s both volume and yield based, so you know all good.
Kevin Crissey:
Thanks for taking the kind of offbeat question.
Robert Isom:
No problem, thanks Kevin.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Hunter Keay:
Hey thank you guys, Good morning. Doug, I appreciate your leap of faith on the earnings guide, I really do, but then I probably know the answer to this, but was this the same EPS range that you expected to provide a couple of days ago, before United announced their, let's just call it ambitious capacity plan?
Doug Parker:
Yes.
Hunter Keay:
Okay, thank you. And then just a quick followup, does this include buybacks or no? I would guess it does right?
Doug Parker:
It was arranged for a reason as an EPS.
Hunter Keay:
Okay, fine and then Robert, in the opening remarks, funny you cited effective LCC price matching is a tailwind to your transatlantic RASM, it's funny. You get – calling price matching is the reason your RASM was good. Can you, if I am not misinterpreting the comment, can you just elaborate on what you meant by that and maybe feel free to talk about that entire LCC transatlantic dynamic for a second while you're at it? Thank you.
Robert Isom:
We'll, I would like to start on that, but go ahead and share, just as there is a price matching and you know the industry ended up much more comprehensively matching the Atlantic LCCs in October 2016, so we're kind of lapping the period where we started the matching and over the kind of the year we've become - as we looked at the results more affective at where we match, and how the yield management system views those fares and when we are open and closed. So this is really a benefit associated to better execution, right of the strategy that when the industry started to employ in October 2016.
Hunter Keay:
I see, thank you, Doug.
Doug Parker:
Thanks [indiscernible].
Operator:
And we would take our next question from Jamie Baker with J.P. Morgan.
Jamie Baker:
Hey, good morning. Doug, followup to Hunter’s question, why should we believe the 2018 guide? Why should we believe anything Derek just said about aircraft? Why shouldn’t we expect an incremental aircraft order, in order to offset what United is doing? I'm obviously trying to bait you, but I’d appreciate a detailed response.
Doug Parker:
Yes, okay. Yes, I’ll try not to take the bait, but I'll try – let me try and help. So I know it's important, obviously. You know, American Airlines shareholders got caught up in this yesterday too is as important, you will all have a chance to always understanding somewhat our view. But look you know we're not going to pine on other airlines capacity plans. That's for them to decide what to do to and to describe to you their plans. What I can tell - what we're happy to talk about is Americans growth which may or may not provide some insight into what’s going on in other airlines and again maybe help or maybe not but I can talk about what we're doing. So you know, Derek told you that we estimate at American that we're going to grow you know schedule to schedule only about 2.5% of growth in 2018 versus 2017, 3% when you include the fact that we had the Hurricanes in 2017. That number by itself is somewhat meaningful, but it's really important I think to understand and to try and understand what type of growth we're talking about in that 2.5% or 3% and how it relates to our existing set of assets. So, you know, and to be clear, you know as we discussed at Investor Day, our network assets, our privileged set of assets is our [indiscernible] system. So, you know if we were to tell you for example, or that 2.5% to 3% here is what we decided, we are one of the biggest airline in the world, so we think we should serve the largest point of one [ph] market the United States. So we're going to go out and [indiscernible] some airplanes and we're going to start adding service to San Francisco, Minneapolis, to Atlantic Houston, because those are really big markets, we will serve them non-stop. And like – and again we're a big airline, we think we should be in big markets. That would be growth outside of our core asset base and that would in engender a certain competitive response from those carriers that do have a strategic advantage in those markets because they always do have hubs on the other in those markets. And over time we lose a good bit of money in those markets because we don't have local traffic and our competitors that have flow traffic filling up most of their seats and that would be not good growth for our shareholders. So look, well that's an example based on today's world. It's indicative of the kind of things we all used to see in the old days and I think again we're still a victim of our past when people just hear growth they think, well here they go again. And indeed that's the kind of stuff that happened. It might be not so much that example, but what happened in the old days when in a less mature business, we airlines without real network assets were looking to use the good times to build some network assets and to take out the weakest when they did that. And that kind of growth tended to have much different kind of competitive impacts, competitive ramifications than what we're talking about here with our growth. So let's talk about what we are doing. So we're not doing that at all. What we're doing is we're taking existing aircraft, increasing the utilization and redeploying aircraft from markets that maybe aren't doing quite as well to places where we know we can do well where we have real strategic advantage. We're growing where we have a competitive advantage. We're creating better connecting markets. We're doing it in three ways; new cities and first off and this is, I know you noticed some changes from all those - we announced a couple weeks ago a schedule change through the summer which defines most of where we're going to be where that expansion is. So you can see it there, but we're some new cities and look there are some that get some attention and there are a little more exciting like regular [ph] Budapest and Prague, but you know the three cities that the three cities in the United States are South Bend, Missoula and Panama City. That’s where we can create better connecting markets. We connect - we don't fly to Panama City. We had Panama City to Dallas, we open up markets to the people of Panama City and people who want to get to Panama City that don't really exist today and certainly give them better connections than they have today. So, yes, I mean look, that's going to have - that means whoever is flying to Panama City today maybe lose a little share, but it doesn’t start fare wars, that doesn’t start. There's not an ability to – that doesn't engender some sort of enormous competitor response so what do you do. We're flying - we're just making our existing asset stronger and we're providing better service and better utility to customers as a result. So that's part of it, but it's not most of it. The second thing we do is adding - add frequency to existing cities. That's a good bit of our growth. A lot of these cities have one or two departures a day. We take them up to three, you know, cities like Stillwater and Lake Charles get up to three departures a day instead of one or two. It has the same sort of effect and we just make the connections. We create more connections for our customers, make the hubs even stronger. And then lastly and the biggest one is connecting existing cities to new hubs and this – look this is really, this is much of the promise of the merger. For example, American Airlines has always done really well in Oklahoma City for obvious reasons, proximity to Dallas. And we have a pretty strong base of customers there. But we've never flown from Philadelphia to Oklahoma City and that's one of the routes we announced. Once we do that, we'll go certainly create unique connections to Europe for a customer base that flies a lot already. Similarly you know we flew Wilmington to Charlotte. We can fly to Dallas. So in our announcement you see new nonstop from Wellington Dallas, this just opens up customers and connections to places like Mexico, Ski markets, Hawaii, all of which are one stop markets a customer has never had. So of the 52 two new routes we added 47 of them fall into that category, existing cities and new hubs. So look, that's where we are at American. We think it’s smart efficient growth where we have competitive advantage. It doesn't result in yield decline, doesn’t result in fare wars. It does mostly I think better and we're not spending enough time to suggest that his is all stimulus and it's not. But it just doesn't engender the kind of response that it feels like people seem to think, we're just looking at a number because we're doing what we think makes sense given our competitive advantage. And again, I think one way to characterize this, we talked a lot about how we think the domestic U.S. airline market has become mature. I do believe that it's mature because we have three hub and small carriers that compete aggressively against each other that can take people all over the world with a lot of between national low cost carrier like Southwest and a lot of other competitors like the Jet Blue's and Alaska Spirits of the world intensely competitive but feeling very mature. Growing out hubs is just a continuation of that mature and perhaps kind of the final stages of that maturing business. Because once you get to a point that those are your assets it makes sense I think to strengthen them and some of us are further along in that than others. So along when we saying look the number matters, but it - I think it always makes sense to go figure out where the growth is coming from and sometimes you can get over reactions to a number and just what encouraged people to go and look at where, what people are saying about actually where they intend to grow. So that's what we think. I don’t ask if we changed our estimate based upon what we heard we have not - it doesn't - nor have we changed, nor do we have any plans to change. Everything I just rattled off about our growth plans were in place before and remain in place now and we don't have any intention to change those based on what we know. And look we'll where people grow. We'll see where people decide to compete we will obviously respond where we think it makes sense, but it's always going to be around our core strategic assets.
Jamie Baker:
Doug, if I were to para – that's very helpful exceedingly helpful. If I were to paraphrase that into a sound bite, do you characterize OA growth provided its hub centric and not uniquely damaging to the American Airlines franchise, yes or no?
Doug Parker:
I'm not going to opine on other airlines growth. I spoke for five minutes and you gave me seven but I didn’t say, so make your own conclusions from what I told you about Americans growth, but you know, look we're not here to talk about what other people are doing their networks. That’s for them to decide and again we know who we are, we know the assets we have. We feel good about our growth and look all I'm pointing out is you can look at our 2.5%, 3% growth and so guess why do you guess it makes sense and I just gave you the answer.
Jamie Baker:
Sure. My follow up will be American centric okay? So shifting this spotlight back to and thank you to indulging me, it's what people needed to hear, so forgive me for that first question.
Doug Parker:
No problem
Jamie Baker:
The high end of your 2018 EPS guide still falls around a billion short of that mid cycle $5 billion target. Revenue trends are looking good at the moment, labor pretty much industry wide has been remarked, but capacity is starting to creep, margins appear to have stagnated. I don't know it just sort of fuels mid cycle to me right now. So I'm wondering what's holding you or holding American back from achieving that $5 billion mid cycle target or should we just assume that the 3, 5, 7, needs to be downwardly adjusted maybe by a billion for each post?
Doug Parker:
Absolutely not, on the last point. We continue to believe 3, 5, 7 are at range. We continue to - and again don't take our word for it. We just said our – we had our board meeting yesterday to set our 2018 objectives and our management teams bonus payments are based upon that in fact is our formula. So that's how we're paying ourselves on short term incentive based on our ability to - not by the way, you’re right our guidance doesn't have us there, so I'm not suggesting that our guidance has a setting, what I'm saying is it's still in the range up 3, 5, 7, and this feels like a year at least looking at it right now isn't one of the - is somewhat a below average year for our kind of steady-state [indiscernible]. The reason I believe that is, because kind of fuel prices have run up so quickly. And if you look, you know, as Derek stated I mean you're right, your numbers are right of course if you take them, I guess at the midpoint of our range kind of year-over-year earnings are pretty flat in our forecast. Our pretax basis of course, after tax because the tax rate they’re up a good bit, but on a pretax basis they are pretty flat. But look our fuel price alone is driving $1.8 billion our higher expense, so for us to be producing flat earnings on one of our - what's become again our largest cost going up by $1.8 billion, so it's a good bit. Now again, you should rightfully say, well gosh, if it's a real business that like you've been saying that we'll figure out a way to pass its cost increases along to customers like why don’t you pass it on, there definitely is a lag on things like this. We saw it in, what year it was 2014 when prices fell really quickly? How long it took for kind of capacity to respond to the new economics? And when prices go up this fast, it does, it takes a while to respond. So as we sit here today if oil stays where it is, I happen to believe you'll see the industry and you'll - the fares are too low for oil prices this high, and over time you'll see that adjust, but it takes time. part of it is that requires some capacity refinement, part of it is people have to believe it's there. This has gone from oil, but it's gone from what 50 to 70 in five months? 40% increase? And it took a while for us all to think that 50 was a real number when it had fallen from 100 down to 50. It may take a while for people to really understand that if 70 is the real normal the new normal, you certainly will see I think us get to a point where we can produce the kind of earnings that you're talking about in $70 oil, but we've done it in $100 oil in the past. So any way long way we're saying it's - I'm not saying just because oil is $70 we can't make those numbers, what I'm saying is it's run up so fast it makes it hard to get there. If it falls back down quickly, we're absolutely right back in that range.
Jamie Baker:
Doug, thanks for taking so much time. It's certainly appropriate if you want to dig my advantage account by 20,000 or 25,000 miles in light of the time totally fair. Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Jamie. We’ll do that.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Helane Becker with Cowen and Company.
Helane Becker:
Hi, team. Thanks for the time. It's kind of hard to follow that, thanks. That was a great explanation. I just have two questions, one can you say I know you don’t report traffic, but I'm wondering if you can say what your loads are looking like and maybe you're bookings. How they're coming along for the rest of the quarter or as far along as you're willing to comment? And then the other question is, is there a shift in mix that you are seeing like on the Atlanta kind of are you seeing more, I think you said maybe more premium traffic and a shift, but can you talk about the buy up that you may be seeing from like basic economy into the forward section of the cabin?
Don Casey:
Okay, it's Don, so let me just start with the buy up. So we've had basic economy in the market now, but broadly domestically since September. We rolled it out to the Caribbean, the subset of Caribbean and Mexico markets in late November. The product is working entirely as we expected and so we're seeing the buy up rates that we expected to see and we're seeing the sell up amounts that we expected to see, so basic economy is really at this point working as designed. In the Atlantic the premium market, we saw very strong premier performance last year. This was a combination of the product improvements that we've made. We didn't get to a fully life like product across our entire widebody fleet until June, July '17 and now we can have that product consistently in the marketplace. In addition to that we've changed some of the infrastructure that we use in revenue management to have more inventories which has led us to be more effective at pricing. And the combination of those changes have led to very strong Premium Cabin performance and in fact for the full year of 2017 revenue in the Premium Cabin was up 15%.
Doug Parker:
And Helane, as you take a look at kind of the strength of bookings, yes we're seeing just a continuation of what we saw in December and so it's relatively flat, but that was a pretty good spot to be in.
Helane Becker:
Okay, and then can I just ask a different cargo related question, because your volumes are up a lot and you're - obviously you reported a very strong number and you commented on Kevin's question, but I'm kind of wondering what are you carrying? Is this packages for Amazon, is it packages for the postal service which would be Amazon, do you know what's in those? I mean you must have to know what's in the bellies right? Because you have to know your customer.
Doug Parker:
We do know the customer and I guess what I think…
Helane Becker:
That didn’t come off the right way.
Doug Parker:
I guess what I would tell you is, we've seen strength across the board especially from Asia, but the kind of things that you see out of Asia, phones and phone parts, when you think about telecommunications going down into Buenos Aires is another big one. We're seeing commodity like products, fish and salmon out of South America and Central America coming up that's adding revenue. We're seeing meat out of the South Pacific that are coming into the U.S., wine as well from Europe. The air bags as everybody knows is still a driver of volume. So it's broad based and it's everything from technology to more food and perishables and so and then as well I would note that just general mail has been pretty strong too.
Helane Becker:
Okay, great. Thank you so much for your help. I appreciate the team.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Helane. Hopefully you’re impressed by that answer because I know I was. All right, thanks.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Daniel McKenzie with Buckingham Research.
Daniel McKenzie:
Hey, good morning. Thanks guys. Yes, Doug thanks from me as well for the wonderful response earlier here, it's very helpful to investors. But leave it to me to kick a dead horse here, so just going back to the opening remarks of strategic advantage of your hubs, how do we think about strategic advantage in those markets where American is not dominant but obviously important? So just reverting back to your opening remarks of investments in Los Angeles and Chicago, what's the key to achieving strategic advantage in these more competitive markets?
Doug Parker:
Yes, first off, Daniel and strategic advantage doesn't mean we have to be number one. It means we have to have an advantage. In LAX we today are the largest, it's a definitely a fragmented market, but a very large market. Americans is the largest carrier there and we have the ability to continue to expand there as much as we're able to. The issue is LAX's terminal space and you know my comments were directed around the fact that we have been able to work out the situation with the Airport Authority we'll be able to expand there. And Chicago is one more story, we're not the largest hub carrier in Chicago, but we're awfully close and another enormous market where we do well even though we're not the absolute largest and the good news is, we've just worked with the Airport Authority and five more gates there which allows us to become even stronger.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I'd just add one more thing. In a place like you know New York where we have great assets but same thing fragmented market highly competitive important for us to be there. We have to be different in some ways and we've done that with things like the shuttle product, the 321Ts, having three class domestic Transcon service and then making sure that with our partner BA that we're doing the best that we can with our JFK-Heathrow franchise.
Daniel McKenzie:
Okay, I appreciate the perspective and then second question really is for Robert. The earnings release, well the cloud hosting and machine learning to speed time to value in the earnings release, so for those that are not AI programmers, can you help give us an idea of what the technology means for the income statement at this point, what could it mean at some point down the road? You know, my sense is that it is driving better non-fuel costs and better revenue, but is it material and you know can it become material at some point?
Doug Parker:
Hey Dan, I'm going to let Maya Leibman, our CIO answer that for you.
Daniel McKenzie:
Okay.
Maya Leibman:
Hey Dan. Really the goal around adoption of these next generation technologies is the fact to that, we have so many fantastic ideas of things that we want to achieve and frankly there are just more ideas than we have the capacity to actually get through. And what we have found is that there's been this explosion in new technologies that allow us to basically take some shortcuts and get things done more quickly than we were previously able to do. If we really adopt them in a thoughtful way, so cloud technology allows us to sort of circumvent the hosting process because it provides infrastructure ready to go. And machine learning and artificial intelligence allows us to create algorithms that are smarter and that learn as the context around them changes. And so we're really aggressively looking at these next generation technologies in order to work through this list of amazing ideas we have that ultimately generate value for the airline.
Daniel McKenzie:
Got it. More on the cost side, more on the revenue side, if you could just help us understand?
Maya Leibman:
Yes, on the revenue side we have a lot of fantastic opportunities that we're working with Don Casey's group on. On the cost side we have opportunities to really streamline our processes and the product that we provide. And a lot of it is really just better customer experience and we're very focused on providing things to our customers that really make the whole experience with American better.
Doug Parker:
Yes, and Dan I would say for us to get the $3.9 billion worth of initiatives that we're talking about, this work will help us bring it in quicker and do what we need to do. Some of that is required a lot of IT help to get us done. We can't get there without the IT group helping us get through this and what they're doing is really helping us get through it quicker and figuring out ways to bring things in the market quicker on both the revenue and the cost side.
Daniel McKenzie:
Thanks for the time guys.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Dan.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Brandon Oglenski with Barclays.
Brandon Oglenski:
Hey good morning everyone and thanks for taking my question. And Robert, I appreciate because we've gotten more airfreight discussions here on this call that I've heard probably in ten years of [indiscernible] calls.
Robert Isom:
We're ready to go more.
Brandon Oglenski:
Well, I'm going to ask a more nerdy analyst question about your EPS outlook, so we do appreciate the range, but to get to 650 if I just put in your guidance on cost, I'm getting to like a 7% to 8% range on revenue. And now my math is not perfect, but I think that's implying like a RASM north of 5% hit the top range assuming your TRASM stays where you've guided. So can you talk to - should we be thinking the upside of EPS as more cost base or do you really think significant revenue acceleration in this market is achievable?
Robert Isom:
Well, first off, you should work with Derek and Dan. I think we don't have that type of number in order to get to the top of the range. It was like 3% to 4%, 3 at the bottom, 4 at the top, but points still now, but we have to make sure we're all working with similar math. Yes, based on what - where we closed the year and what we' think, the ASM growth is going to be next year, you would need 3% to 4% RASM growth. And but, we wouldn't have given that as our EPS guidance and we didn't think that was reasonable revenue guidance. We just grew a quarter 5.5%. So yes, it's and again if fuel prices stay where they are we think that well within the realm of possibilities.
Brandon Oglenski:
Okay, I appreciate the details there and then I do want to nitpick a little bit on CapEx because it looks like since your analyst meeting you've taken up the fin level about $0.5 billion for the next two years. Can you talk to you know it was this driven by tax reform or is just incremental opportunities that you found even before the tax rates came down?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I think there's two things. One is from an aircraft standpoint we did announce that we were bringing in ten more E175 aircraft to replace an outsourced contract that we had and take out some CRJ200s. So that's the increase on the aircraft CapEx side. From a non-aircraft CapEx side as Maya said there's just so much demand going on out there. Half of the project - there's seven projects that make up half of that ’18 and ’19 number. They are just major projects that we have announced and that we want to do as quick as we can which is we talked about Wi-Fi or [indiscernible] some facility projects. We still have three big integration projects that we want to complete with our HR systems, our pilots, flight attendants and tech ops. So we're trying to bring those in as quick as we can and bring those in earlier. So we've raised the CapEx in ’18 and’19 by $200 million each year for non-aircraft CapEx mainly due to those projects and facility projects and trying to get those brought in as fast as we can moving them forward. So those are the two big differences from the Investor Day. That's the ten new Embraer 175s and then just bringing projects in earlier in ’18 and ’19 and the major - the big projects that we have on our plate that make up half of each one of those years.
Brandon Oglenski:
Okay, I appreciate the discloser and the discussion in this call. It's been very helpful.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Brandon.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey thanks. I certainly respect the dynamic inputs to your planning process and fuel in particular, but I wonder if you could talk a little bit about how fuel is an input to your planning process and how you think about route profitability. In the old days we thought about red eye flying to leisure destinations as the first candidates for capacity trends. Of course this would put some upward pressure on your unit cost as you shrink today, but can you talk about how higher fuel impacts network planning and if it has started to lead to any cuts and if so what profile of markets that would include?
Derek Kerr:
I'll go ahead and start with that. Right now, we have within our flight profitability system which gives us great detail in terms of where we are making money and gives us different views as to what expenses are more fixed and flexible in the long run. We've got a pretty good idea of where we're doing well and not and you know what the impact of variations of fuel expense are. So it's something that we look at certainly every month if not more and especially as we take a look out into the longer term. So we've got a pretty good handle on it and at the end of the day we feel really confident with the schedule that we have built right now that we're profitable at these levels and that we're flying to where we ought to be. So I think we've got a good handle on both the short and long range plan for it. It's part of the process that we put the team through as we built the schedule. This is about what I can tell you.
Doug Parker:
And Duane look, I remember the old days and the old days the reason you'd cut that point was because it was cash negative and it made sense to cut it as oil prices got to a certain level it was running close to that in today's world. So if we were to cut flying because oil prices ran up from 50 to 70 we would reduce profits and instead it turns into a $4 billion year instead of $5 billion year and over time we adjust pricing and capacity over time and adjust to where we think we're in the world fuel price starts to spell out. But yes, this is an entirely different world. It would be so from American's perspective going and reducing flying because oil prices went up from 50 to 70 would reduce the profits of the firm.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
I appreciate that commentary and then just as a follow up maybe some data thinking as well, but with regional aircraft which have the highest fuel intensity, the highest sort of gallons per passenger if you want to think about it that way, obviously a lot less 50 seaters than there used to be and you're growing with 76s which are more fuel efficient, but where do you start to see the break points on fuel for regional lift? Is it 80 bucks, is it 90 bucks, where does that become more of a focus? Thanks for taking the questions.
Doug Parker:
Yes, hard for us to answer. I don't know, we can't Duane. Again, whenever near the point of looking at - believing that fuel prices are at a level that we should be reducing, flying because it's all profitable and the regional fleet in particular because of what we said how it helps us create connections is among some of the best flying on a cash basis irrespective of where fuel prices are.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And we will take our next question from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News. Please proceed.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Hi, good morning. Hey Derek, can we go back to your comment about the A350s? And you said you're working with Airbus and Boeing on another option from a widebody perspective and where to go on that. Can you talk a little bit more in detail on what you're looking at, what you're considering? A - Derek Kerr Yes, I mean we mean we currently have an order for 22, A350s that come in 2020. We're just looking at other options. There's nothing to announce right now. Whether, I mean our options are to take the A350, turn that into A330-900 or the other option is a 787-9. So there is - we have the order in place. The A350 is a great aircraft. But it does add complexity to our fleet by a new aircraft type. So it's not about the aircraft, it's about the complexity that it brings to our operating group for having more aircraft. So we haven't made a determination yet. We may take the A350, but the other two options are A330-900 or 787-9 for that widebody lift.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Is there a date by which you need to make that decision?
Derek Kerr:
There is no date that we need to make that decision. I mean the first delivery is not till 2020.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay, thank you.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Conor Shine with The Dallas Morning News.
Conor Shine:
Hi, good morning guys. Thanks for taking the question. I just want to - what the, you know obviously you've ruled out basically I mean this last year, what the plans for 2018 will be for that, did you see that changing in terms of giving customers more options to buy some of the things that have been subtracted out of that product? And then also do you see it expanding to other markets beyond domestic and then that near Caribbean stuff you guys did a little bit ago?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, Conor as Don said earlier, the product has been out about six months now. It's meeting expectations which is great, will always take a look at ways to refine and optimize. And then I think as we've said before, we'll look at opportunities for you know application in other places. And so as you take a look internationally is it something that might be appropriate for transatlantic probably in a different form, but you know those are the kind of things that we think about there, but we don't have anything to announce. We like what's going on right now and we're staying the course with it.
Conor Shine:
Thank you.
Operator:
And we will take our final question from Alana Wise with Reuters.
Alana Wise:
Hi, everybody. Thanks so much for taking the question. And I’m sure we’ve talked a little bit about this already, but United or others speaking out seemed that they were going to be adding capacity at a fairly rapid clip, obviously, can share it down quite a bit and so concerns of the growing industry fare war. My question is just how are you at American addressing these concerns to shareholders and just what's the general view on capacity growth and how it's affecting the market.
Doug Parker:
Yes, thanks. We did talk a little bit about this and the comment for the record is we're not going to pine on another airline. Growth plans, we're confident and Americans growth and very bullish prospects for American Airlines knowing everything we're going to do.
Alana Wise:
Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
And that concludes today's question and answer session. At this time I'd like to turn the call over to our presenters for any additional or closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
We appreciate everyone's interest and thank you for tuning in. If you have any questions and you are an Investor, cal, Dan, if you have any questions and you are in the media call corp.com [ph]. Thanks so much.
Operator:
And, ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference. I'd like to thank everyone for their participation. You may now disconnect.
Executives:
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc. William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc. Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines, Inc. Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc. Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.
Analysts:
Michael J. Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc. Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc. Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc. Helane Becker - Cowen & Co. LLC Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore Group LLC J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC Daniel J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc. Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc. Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP David Koenig - The Associated Press Edward Russell - Flightglobal John Biers - Agence France-Presse
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group third quarter 2017 earnings call. Today's conference call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. And now, I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens. Please go ahead.
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group third quarter 2017 earnings conference call. Joining us in the room today is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, the President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room for our Q&A session is Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications; Maya Leibman, Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; and Don Casey, our Senior Vice President of Revenue Management. We're going to start the call today with Doug, and he will provide an overview of our third quarter financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter and provide some additional information on our guidance for the remainder of the year. Robert will then follow with commentary on the operational performance and revenue environment. And then after we hear from those comments, we will open the call for analyst questions and lastly questions from the media. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecasts of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risk and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning, and as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2017. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning such as pre-tax profit and CASM, excluding unusual items. A reconciliation to those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and that can be found on our website at aa.com. A webcast of this will also be archived on the website. The information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us this morning. At this point, I'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Dan. Thanks, everybody, for being on. It's not possible to talk about the third quarter without beginning with the hurricanes and what our team did in regard to those events. We're always proud of our team, but particularly so this quarter. They rallied around each other, they rallied around our customers, just showed incredible care and concern and made a huge difference and it's times like this that the people of American shine and they certainly did in the third quarter and we're so proud of them and appreciative and I should also note, as proud as we are as the people of American, this is not a time for all of our competitive juices to get too strong. Our industry did a great job in this regard and we're proud of everyone in the industry for what they all did including our competitors. We made a big difference, we continue to make a big difference and we're proud of that and extremely thankful and appreciative of our team. We had an investor day not too long ago, just last month, Investor and Media Day. It was very productive and helpful. Thank you for all – thanks to all of you who attended. During that Investor Day, we laid out some themes that are important to us. We talked about how we are playing for the long game, how we are running our own show, focused on American and not defining ourselves on others, looking to make long-term decisions and not be overly focused on near-term metrics. Those themes continue, of course, we're not going to go through them in great detail, but you will hear them running through all of our comments throughout this call. We also laid out four long-term strategic objectives consistent with those themes. Those are to build a world-class product, to drive efficiencies, to make culture a competitive advantage, and to think forward and lean forward. We are, again, those are themes you'll hear us continue to bring up because we like the framework and we're excited about the message. So with that said, I'll turn it over to Derek to give you some details on the numbers and then Robert will give more details as well.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines, Inc.:
Good. Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everybody. And before I begin, I'd also like to thank our more than 120,000 team members. The third quarter brought more than its fair share of weather and operational challenges and our team delivered. Robert and I were both in Miami shortly after Hurricane Irma and witnessed firsthand how our team came together to take care of our passengers and each other. The teamwork demonstrated by everyone at American made us all proud. As Doug mentioned, we filed our earnings press release and 10-Q this morning and in that release, our third quarter 2017 GAAP net profit was $624 million, or $1.28 per share. This compares to our third quarter 2016 GAAP net profit of $737 million or $1.40 per diluted share. Excluding special items, we reported a net profit of $692 million in the third quarter 2017 versus our third quarter 2016 net profit of $933 million. Our diluted earnings per share, excluding special items, was $1.42 per share versus $1.76 in the third quarter of 2016. Our GAAP third quarter 2017 pre-tax profit was $1 billion. Excluding net special items, our third quarter pre-tax profit was $1.1 billion, resulting in a pre-tax margin of 10.2%. Looking at revenue, our total third quarter operating revenues were up 2.7% year over year to $10.9 billion. Passenger revenues were $9.4 billion, up 2.5% on a yield improvement of 1.6%. Cargo revenues were up 17% to $200 million, due primarily to higher volume. Our other revenues were $1.3 billion, up 2.2% year over year, due primarily to higher baggage and frequent flyer revenue. Total GAAP operating expenses for the third quarter were $9.6 billion, up 5.3% versus the same period last year. This increase was due primarily to a 13.3% increase in consolidated fuel expense and higher salaries and benefits expense as a result of the mid-contract base-pay increase given to our pilots and flight attendants earlier this year, as well as rate increases for our maintenance and fleet service team members that became effective mid-third quarter last year. Third quarter consolidated ASMs, cost per ASM, was $0.132, up 3.6% year over year. Excluding fuel and special items, our consolidated CASM was $0.1043, up 4.5% year over year due primarily to the salary and benefit increases I mentioned earlier. We ended the third quarter with approximately $8.3 billion in total available liquidity comprised of cash and investments of $5.8 billion and $2.5 billion in undrawn revolver capacity. The company also has a restricted cash position of $393 million. Since our last call, our Treasury team has been very busy. They completed another set of efficient financing transactions, including the 2017-2 EETC, AA- and A-tranches, as well as the 2016-3 and 2017-2 EETC B-tranches at very favorable coupon rates for junior subordinated EETC tranches. In addition, the team refinanced and extended the revolving credit facility, upsizing it to $2.5 billion in the process and closed on 5 mortgage transactions and 11 sale-leaseback transactions. During the quarter, the company returned $411 million to its shareholders including quarterly dividend payments totaling $49 million and a repurchase of $362 million of common stock or 7.7 million shares. Our share count has dropped by 37% from $756 million at merger close in December 2013 to 480 million shares as of September 30. In addition to our earnings release, we also filed our investor update this morning. Consistent with our previous guidance, in the fourth quarter of 2017, we expect our system ASM growth to be up approximately 2%, domestic up 0.5%, and international up 5%. For the full year, we continue to expect consolidated system capacity to be up approximately 1%, driven by increasing gauge, about 2.4%; stage length, about 1.5%, offset by 2.7% fewer departures. We expect full year domestic consolidated capacity to be approximately flat year over year and international capacity to be up 4%, primarily driven by the impact of the 777-200 retrofit program, which was completed during the third quarter and year-over-year impact of new destinations across the Pacific. We expect our fourth quarter consolidated CASM, excluding fuel and special items, to be up approximately 4.5%, with mainline up 5% and regional up 2%. As we stated in our recent investor day, and consistent with our fourth quarter, we anticipate our unit cost growth rates to continue to trend lower and we expect 2018 full-year nonfuel CASM to increase, excluding the impact of any new labor deals, by approximately 2%. We are forecasting a material increase in fuels in the fourth quarter. And based on the forward curve as of October 13, 2017, we expect consolidated fuel prices to be up approximately 16% year over year to between $1.81 to $1.86 per gallon on a consolidated basis. Using the midpoints of the cost guidance we provided in the TRASM guidance Robert will talk about a minute, we expect our fourth quarter 2017 pre-tax margin, excluding special items, to be between 4.5% and 6.5%. As we continue with our fleet renewal program for the full year of 2017, we still expect gross aircraft CapEx to total $4.1 billion, which includes the delivery of 57 mainline aircraft and 16 regional aircraft. In addition, we expect us to invest $1.65 billion in non-aircraft CapEx for integration work and projects to improve our products and operations, a slight increase from previous guidance as we invest heavily in the installation of Premium Economy, narrow-body retrofit programs, updates to our clubs and other initiatives to improve the airline for our team members and customers. On previous earnings calls, I provided estimates for our 2018 pension contributions as the airline relief legislation ends for us. While our minimum requirement contribution for 2018 are estimated to be only $62 million, we now expect to contribute approximately $780 million in order to maintain an 80% funded status on all of our plans. We will continue to take a measured approach to matching our plan capacity levels with anticipated levels of demand. We are still in the process of developing our operating plan for 2018, so our formal capacity guidance will come when we report fourth quarter earnings. But on a schedule-over-schedule basis, we currently expect system capacity to be up approximately 2.5% in 2018 on a flat fleet count. We also expect domestic and international capacity to grow at similar levels of approximately 2.5%. At our recent Investor Day, we also talked about the opportunities provided by our Project One Airline initiative to drive efficiencies. We've identified $1 billion in cost savings that we expect to implement by 2021, driven principally by increased use of technology, changes to process and procedures and further eliminating post-merger redundancies. We are just getting started on these initiatives and will incorporate approximately $200 million of savings in our 2018 plan. I look forward to updating you on our progress on future calls. So in conclusion, despite the challenges resulting from the three hurricanes, our team has produced another excellent quarter. I would like to thank all of our team members for continuing to take care of our customers and as important, each other. With that, I will turn the call over to Robert.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Derek. Good morning to everyone, and thanks for joining us. Before I begin my remarks about the third quarter, I'd also like to begin by thanking our more than 120,000 team members for all that they have done during a very challenging quarter. The tragic hurricanes in late August and September caused severe damage and disruption as Hurricanes Harvey, Irma and Maria made landfall in the U.S. and Caribbean. American canceled more than 8,000 flights due to the hurricanes and at the peak of the storm activity canceled all flights at nearly 30 stations. We estimate that these storms reduced pre-tax earnings by $75 million. In particular, I'd like to recognize our team members who endured the hurricanes at our hub in Miami and other airports in Florida, Puerto Rico, and the Caribbean, as well as those in Mexico City who endured a devastating earthquake. You all have demonstrated courage, leadership, and compassion under extremely trying conditions. Not only did you help our airline get back online, but also and more important, you were all there for each other and for our customers. So a sincere thank you goes out to all of you from your teammates from around the system. You made us all very proud to be part of the American team. As we discussed at Investor Day a few weeks ago, we have identified $3.9 billion in revenue and cost initiatives that we expect to realize over the next few years. While I won't rehash all of that in detail today, and if it isn't already obvious, we are very excited about the opportunities ahead of us. We're already on our way with a full launch of Basic Economy across our domestic system on September 5. Our careful planning and measured rollout over the summer has resulted in a very successful launch with no disruption. Performance has been in line with expectations, with about 50% of customers who received a basic offer choosing to buy up to the main cabin product. Although the rollout was too late to have a material impact on the third quarter of 2017, we do expect this to add revenue momentum to the fourth quarter 2017. In addition, our Premium Economy product continues to gain traction with an average upsell of approximately $400 each way over the coach cabin. Customer adoption of this highly differentiated product has been strong. As expected, the majority of Premium Economy customers are leisure customers looking for an affordable way to enhance their international flight experience. Premium Economy is now installed on 27 of our wide-body aircraft. And by year end, we expect that number to grow to 63, and by year-end 2018 to over 100 wide-body aircraft. Operationally, our performance this summer showed significant improvement versus the summer of 2016. Summer on-time departures improved by 3.9 percentage points and arrivals by 3.2 percentage points, bouncing back from a difficult summer of 2016. In addition, our baggage performance continues to be a focus for our team. This has been a bright spot, as the year-over-year mishandled bag rate has improved each month in 2017. When we do mishandled bags, we're working to minimize inconvenience for customers with the introduction of the new customer bag notification tool, which went live in July of this summer. This tool sends bag notifications to customers and allows them to set up free delivery for delayed bags or advises them to pick up early arriving bags at specific baggage claim locations. The early results are encouraging, as nearly 20% of customers notified of early or delayed bags are using customer bag notification to set up a bag delivery. Turning to revenue, the demand environment remains robust. And despite the operational challenges and difficult year-over-year comparisons, we were pleased with our performance in the third quarter. Our third quarter PRASM was up 0.9% and our third quarter TRASM was up 1.1%, marking the fourth consecutive quarter of positive unit revenue growth for American. Our investments in people, product, and new corporate sales initiatives are beginning to pay off. And when combined with our new revenue management tools, changes to our AAdvantage program, and our new mobile platform, the results are even more encouraging. In domestic, our consolidated PRASM was up 0.1%. We are very pleased with this outcome, as we faced hurricane impacts to our hub in Miami and had very difficult year-over-year comps due to beneficial pricing actions in the third quarter of 2016. On a year-over-two-year basis, our performance in the domestic market was materially better than our legacy counterparts. Our Latin American performance overall was very strong, with PRASM up 8.3%. Positive Latin PRASM was driven by strong performance in all entities, consistent with what we saw in the second quarter. This is a great outcome as we have faced difficult conditions due to Hurricanes Irma and Maria. Atlantic PRASM was up 2.6% year over year. Premium cabin pricing and yield management initiatives, improved share performance with travel management companies, and easing comps from past terror events continue to contribute to 2017 year-over-year PRASM performance. The United Kingdom is showing the largest PRASM improvement on a year-over-year basis due to improved premium cabin performance. However, the overall environment remains challenged, as low-price carriers grow substantially, resulting in weaker pricing environment for coach travel. Across the Pacific, PRASM was down 1.6% year over year. Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and Hong Kong were positive, but this was offset by softness in China and Korea. Third quarter cargo revenue improved 17% year over year on strong volume growth, continuing a positive trend that we've seen since the latter half of 2016. As we look to the fourth quarter, we expect our year-over-year TRASM to be up 2.5% to 4.5%, an improvement from our third quarter 2017 performance, as our revenue initiatives will continue to deliver top line benefits. Regionally, our domestic PRASM is expected to be positive for the fifth consecutive quarter, helped by our launch of Basic Economy. Atlantic performance is expected to be in line with the third quarter, with Pacific improving as we lap the growth of new routes from last year, and we expect the Latin entity to be modestly positive. And to wrap up my comments and as we covered at our Investor Day, American has a privileged set of assets, our hubs and gateways in the U.S., and a world-class set of partners that extend our network even farther. A hub-and-spoke business model allows us to serve an incredibly broad spectrum of customers, getting them to the places they want to fly with the amenities that they value. Our strategy investments and the investments that we've made and are making in our fleet, product and especially our team are working, as evidenced by our customer satisfaction metrics and our unit revenue performance versus the industry over the past five quarters and expected outperformance for a sixth quarter to close out 2017. And best of all, there's a lot more to come. And we're excited to deliver all that value for our customers, team members, and shareholders. And with that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Doug.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Robert. And before we open up to questions, I want to address an issue that's come up this week, which is the travel advisory from the NAACP. First, that announcement was obviously a disappointment to our team. That's because we at American Airlines pride ourselves on inclusiveness and diversity. What we do as an organization is connect people. We like to say we fly over borders and walls and stereotypes and divisiveness to bring people together. And our team members do that safely and professionally every day. And as a result, we make this world a smaller and more inclusive place. Once we got past the disappointment, we realized this is a great opportunity. Yes, we're proud of our commitment to equality and diversity and the significant impact we make in that regard around the globe. But discrimination, exclusion, and unconscious biases are enormous problems that no one's mastered. And we would never suggest that we have it all figured out. What we know is we want to keep learning and we want to get even better. We want to be leaders for all of U.S. industry in equality, inclusion, and diversity because we actually think we can make a difference in the world if we do that. And organizations like the NAACP can help us, so we welcome the opportunity to work with them. Indeed, we're excited about it and enthusiastic to sit down and listen and learn together. We've reached out and expect to begin working together in the very near term. That's good news for the people of American, for our customers, and our shareholders. We look forward to what lies ahead as a result of this effort, and we will keep you apprised as our work develops. So with that said, Chris, we are ready for questions.
Operator:
Certainly. And our first question comes from Michael Linenberg. Please go ahead.
Michael J. Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Hey, I guess two questions here. Derek, I think you threw initially or maybe Robert, the capacity growth for next year, the 2.5% on a flat fleet count. Is that – I guess is that all gauge, or is there like a departure or stage length element in there as well?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines, Inc.:
Mostly gauge, probably 2 points of it gauge and the rest departures.
Michael J. Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Okay, that's helpful. And then probably to Don now, or Robert. Robert, you actually talked about domestic being strong again or positive again for, I guess, the fifth consecutive quarter on the backs of the success or early success that you're seeing with Basic Economy. Whether you or Don can just talk about that rollout. I guess we're six weeks into it, some of the pluses and minuses, any modifications or changes that you've had to implement since the rollout, that would be great. Thanks.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I can start. It's been a smooth rollout. As you know, we took a measured approach with test markets, really made sure that our team out in the field was aware and could handle, and educated on the product, and so far, so good. We don't see a lot of changes and our expectation is to hit the targets that we've talked about. Don?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yes, I'd have to say that we introduced a million new fares into the marketplace, right, so that always takes a bit of time to stabilize. But I think we're at a point right now where we're at a stable situation. I think we're probably not quite where the whole industry is probably going to end up from a pricing perspective. But we're kind of happy with where we are right now.
Michael J. Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Great, thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Michael.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Brandon Oglenski. Please go ahead.
Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
Hey. Good morning, everyone and thanks for taking my question. So maybe this one's for Doug or Robert, but at the Investor Day, I think you guys highlighted to everyone that you've had a lot of internal focus the last couple of years, just bringing U.S. Airways and American together. As you look into 2018 and maybe some of those initiatives come off, what are the big priorities that you guys want to focus on, on improving the experience moving forward?
Operator:
And pardon the interruption, Brandon. It looks like the speakers' line has just dropped. I'm going to go ahead and leave the queue as is. I'm going to reintroduce music until the speakers are reintroduced, so pause just a moment. [Technical Difficulty] (25:07-27:03)
Operator:
All right. Brandon, your line is back open. Please restart your question.
Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
Hey, everyone. I didn't know my question was that bad and gotten involuntarily denied here.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Brandon, we never even heard you. We actually just thought – once we had given our script and Linenberg asked his question, we were done. But apparently, some other people had more. Sorry, we don't know what happened. But anyway, we're back.
Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
I'm looking for some denied compensation on this one. But – listen, guys, my question was really, you talked about all the effort you guys have had internally the last couple years, merging U.S. Airways, American Airlines, and as you look into 2018, I think a lot of those initiatives really trail off. So what becomes more of an internal focus for you guys in 2018 as you can redeploy some people and assets and capital into more productive uses?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah, I'll start. Look, our game plan is to really make sure that we make best use of what we've invested in so far. Yes, there's a lot more to come, but we take a look at our aircraft, our fleet, and the opportunity for utilization and deploying aircraft where we think it makes the most sense. And so that all plays into the One Airline initiative as well, where we think that we can grow revenues. We think that we can better utilize our aircraft, facilitate low-cost growth and then ultimately deliver more value overall. So it fits very well, but really the focus is, if you take a look at what we've laid out so far, is to first deliver on what we've laid out, we've got a couple of things that are still important in terms of integration, and those are
Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
I appreciate that, Robert, and I guess as we – you guys have attributed a lot of your revenue outperformance this year too to some of the changes you've made, I would say in your revenue management system. Should we be thinking next year, though, you don't have that level of outperformance on the industry and so you're going to look much more like the average industry participant? Or are there still levers that you're pulling on the revenue side?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, you saw from our Investor Day that we have a set of initiatives that are laid out. And it deals with everything from revenue management, and Don can speak a little bit about a new optimizer that just came online here recently, to all of our sales efforts and getting back out and really aggressive on that front, to making sure that we're flying and deploying aircraft where they can be best utilized. So we see that all of the initiatives that we laid out is playing out over the next few years and continue to advantage American, and in many cases, uniquely so, because many of these items are, in ways, catch-up. Some of the biggest initiatives that we laid out during Investor Day, everybody's aware of Basic Economy, of course, but Premium Economy is just in its infancy. And if you take a look at where we're headed overall, I feel really confident that we're going to be continuing to outperform.
Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Brandon.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Hunter Keay. Please go ahead.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hunter Keay?
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Yes. Hello, Doug Parker, how are you doing? So the 2018 capacity growth, it's about a point higher than I was expecting, which it's my own bad modeling, I guess, but I suppose that makes the CASM ex-guide look that much less good than I thought, or less okay or acceptable. So given that type of capacity growth, and I guess this sort of dovetails a little bit with what Brandon just asked you, but do you still feel like you can grow RASM faster than CASM next year and expect to – effectively grow margins?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hunter, again, I'll take a shot and the guys can fill in, I guess. First off, we always talk about CASM ex-fuel, of course. So you've got to make your own fuel forecast, but right now, it appears to be up. But if you're talking about...
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
I'm sorry. CASM ex-fuel, Doug. CASM ex-fuel, thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes, so can RASM grow faster than our – what we have now for our CASM ex-fuel guidance? Again, we're not giving a RASM forecast, but that's certainly been the trend of late and – anyway, Don, what do you want to say about that?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yes, we had, as we kind of finished the third quarter, four consecutive quarters where our performance was materially better than the rest of the industry. And so as we kind of lap that, we still are going to have, in the third quarter, the fourth quarter, revenue that's kind of a bit better than the rest of the industry. And so that, I think, just speaks to the fact that we have a long list of initiatives, right, that are layering on top of one another that continue to drive better unit revenue year over year.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes, and, Hunter, I'll say this. Demand continues to look strong. All the initiatives that we've talked about are – those aren't things that we hope to get done. They're largely done. They're just kicking in. So we feel very good about that. So I'm happy to tell you – look, I would be disappointed if our RASM next year didn't exceed our CASM ex-fuel.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Okay. Okay. And then on the cash flow, it looks like 2018 is going to be a pretty solid free cash flow for you guys given a few factors, even with the pension contribution. Derek, you said you're comfortable with the leverage levels and you guys are probably not focused on paying a 2.5%, 3% dividend. So is it safe to pencil in a pretty sizable uptick in the buyback relative to 2017, holding all else equal on margin assumptions and everything like that?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hunter, again, make no assumptions. We can tell you what we can tell you, which is we think a minimum cash balance of $7 billion -
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines, Inc.:
Liquidity.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Liquidity, I'm sorry, at American, which is awfully high relative to others, anyway, is the right number for us just because of the higher leverage. We think it's a better way to protect ourselves against downturns or any unforeseen circumstances than being less levered. So that's a number we look at as you do your forecast to the extent you see us generating cash levels substantially higher than that. We've always been of the view that once we've invested in our team, once we've invested in the airline, once we've paid down low-cost debt and invested in projects within the airline that can create returns for our shareholders, that the right thing to do is return it to our shareholders. So that would be a rational expectation of where the cash goes. What the actual cash flows are, again, not numbers that we're projecting, but you're welcome to.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Okay. Thank you, Doug.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Hunter.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Jack Atkins. Please go ahead.
Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc.:
Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for the time. Just to go back to Hunter's first question there on CASM, ex. Derek, could you maybe sort of outline a couple of the items that are maybe driving a little bit greater CASM, ex inflation, in 2018 than – and I guess who would've thought sort of before you provided that guidance? Just trying to think about some of the puts that are offsetting the efficiency gains that you outlined at the analyst day?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yes, I mean, there's four things that we believe will be higher next year. I mean, depreciation, of course, because we have the aircraft that are coming in and we have to – the CapEx that we've had year over year is the depreciation. Our rents and landing fees, I think from that perspective, we project to be from a CASM perspective a little bit up next year. Maintenance has a little bit of headwinds in there. And then, of course, salaries and benefits is the other one. But those four are the areas that we're focused on and that we know will be there next year, but we believe will hopefully offset most of those higher expenses to hit the 2% CASM that we talked about at the analyst day.
Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc.:
Okay. That's helpful. And then just, Doug, I guess for my follow-up question, maybe just a broader question for you. But certainly when you take the items that you guys outlined at the end of September at the analyst day together, it paints, I think, a very optimistic and very rosy outlook for the business as you sort of move forward here, and I think that's being reflected in the stock, starting to be reflected in the stock here. But I guess as you look out to 2018, things are setting out to be quite favorable for you guys, it seems like. And I guess as you look at the business, what are some of the risks perhaps that you see out there that it could derail the story to some degree? Just trying to think through the risks that could show up next year in what otherwise would be a fairly positive environment for you guys?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. Look, Jack, first off, we're bullish. So it's a fair question, of course, there are always risks. But I want to start out by saying, you're right; we're bullish. We feel really good about where American is. We feel good about the transformation that's taking place in the industry, the kind of risks that you would look at are the kind of things that could always happen in our business, economic downturn, well, the industry has dramatically transformed and stronger than it ever has been and I believe permanently transformed, we're still a cyclical business. So if there's any sort of economic downturn, that would provide, that would pose some risk to the revenue performance. We're big consumers of fuel and so fuel spikes could have an impact. Again, I would argue spikes are one thing, but it's just increases given where we are, I think what you'd see is fares rise to levels to offset much of the fuel price increase. So, look, I'm not going to be able to give you anything that's dramatically different than you would find and read in some of these risk factors. Because the real issue is we feel – we're really bullish. We feel really good about where American is, we feel good about where the industry is.
Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc.:
Okay. Great. Thanks again for the time.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Jack.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Helane Becker. Please go ahead.
Helane Becker - Cowen & Co. LLC:
Thanks very much. Hi, everybody, thank you very much for the time, Doug. So, I just have two questions. One is at Investor Day, you spent a lot of time talking about kind of focusing on the longer term in the outlook kind of beyond maybe 2017 and maybe even beyond 2018. And then on this call, you spend all your time talking about 2017 and 2018. So I'm just kind of wondering if you can maybe talk about the longer term and tell us what you're thinking about with respect to maybe, I mean, I know you're not going to talk about pricing, but just in terms of where you see American in, say, 2019-2021 timeframe?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Helene. And I would love to do that, but I'm conscious of everyone's time. We tried really well to do that during the earnings call. What I'll tell you is, we know who we are. We are a global hub-and-spoke airline with, as Robert said, a set of privileged assets that allow us to do, to provide service to customers that we think is incomparable or certainly hard for others to replicate. And we know there is a good bit of upside in our ability to do that. What you should expect from us over time is an airline that has world-class products. We know full well that we have to compete for all customers. But first and foremost, we want to make sure that we have an airline that is the airline of choice for business customers, for premium customers. And we're doing – everything we're working on now is designed to make sure we have a product in place to do that, not the least of which is a significant investment in our fleet, investment in satellite Wi-Fi across all the aircraft, and investment in our clubs, all this work that has just begun in the last couple of years and has the airline already in a much better place today than it was a couple years ago and we'll have it even better in the next couple of years. We're going to work to make culture a competitive advantage. That as much as anything is where we think the upside is. We have an airline that, because of its history, still has our team members not as engaged and excited as we'd like them to be. And once we have leaders in place that our team knows care about them, that provide the tools to do their jobs the way they know how to do it, that lets them, that appreciates what they do, that helps them understand that what they do is incredibly important, and that they make a difference, so that they go home at the end of the day feeling fulfilled. We know that will have a huge, that won't just be a better airline, that will be an airline that people want to fly and that's a competitive advantage. That's clearly not where we are now, but that's where we're moving. We're going to continue to drive efficiencies, as Derek showed in our presentation. That includes a lot of work that just happens once we get integrated, but even more so a significant amount of work under the leadership of Maya and the IT team to make sure that we are at the leading edge of technology for our customers and for our team. And we're going to do all that with the mindset of thinking forward and leaning forward, a team that will be making sure that we come out of this past of short-term thinking and have a mindset throughout the organization that is always looking forward and thinking forward, something that we feel pretty good about, but we know we can do even better and we expect to be leaders in that arena.
Helane Becker - Cowen & Co. LLC:
So that's a great answer and I really appreciate it. I just have one follow-on question, and that's when you guys talk about the impact of the Middle Eastern airlines on your business, do you think that as your product improves, their relevance in our market dissipates?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Look, the issue with the Middle East carriers is not about their product. That's a symptom of the problem. When you're subsidized and you don't care about making profits, you certainly can put in place a product that's uneconomic because the flying itself is uneconomic. But no, the answer to the Middle East carrier issue is not for us to have a product that competes with them. The answer to the Middle East carrier issue is for them not to be subsidized and for us not to have to compete against countries and for our country to step up and do what it needs to do and make sure that we aren't forced to do that. One of the biggest threats, if not the biggest threat to everything I just said about the long-term viability of our business is the U.S. government not stepping up and making sure that those two countries aren't allowed to continue to subsidize flying and to jeopardize U.S. aviation jobs. We can compete against anybody as long as the playing field is close to fair. What we can't do is compete against oil-rich countries that don't care about making profits and that seem to have a different objective of trying to help their countries through having an aviation practice that doesn't make any money but brings people in and out of their countries. So look, the good news on this is we've had productive conversations with the administration, myself as well as the CEOs of American – CEOs of United and Delta met with some secretaries this quarter and were encouraged by the reception. There's still work to do, of course, but are hopeful because this is as easy as it gets in terms of being able to create a case that shows that American jobs are at stake because of policies of other countries, and we should enforce ours. So anyway, that's not a product issue, that's a subsidization issue and a really, really important one that we're screaming from the mountain tops about and people are beginning to listen, so we feel good about it.
Helane Becker - Cowen & Co. LLC:
Great, thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Helene.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Jamie Baker. Please go ahead.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Jamie.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Hey. I was expecting to be introduced as Jacques or Jaime or something. We're pleased with the fourth quarter guide, Doug. I hope you saw the mea culpa this morning in terms of the PRASM component. Well done, Don, that's for you too, but I still need to ask about margins. The gap to Delta is widening. Look, I know there's seasonality in the business, but the fourth quarter guide looks to be one of the widest gaps ever post-merger, and that's even with the profit-sharing change at Delta and an otherwise unimpressive ex-fuel cost guide from Delta. So my question is when you decided to revisit the union economics mid-contract, you were pretty insistent or confident that you'd see a return on that investment. I'm not seeing it. And maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place, Doug. Maybe the goodwill that you thought to generate is just, I don't know, taking a longer time to filter through to better passenger service. I don't know, any thoughts on that?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I got a lot. So first off, on the mid-contract adjustment, I'm absolutely positive it was the right thing to do. We told you at that time you're not going to see it. If all you want to do is look at a spreadsheet, you should just raise your costs from what your estimate was. We also told you that if we didn't do it, you should have lowered your revenues in the future because we can't go do all the things I just said we're going to do in the future and ask our team to work for less than their peers at other airlines. We're not going to do that. So yes, we're going to sign contracts and when we sign them, they're going to be at those levels. And no, we don't expect that anytime someone else signs another contract that we need to match it. But when we get into a situation like we did with our Boston flight attendants, where the contract we had put in place with that same mindset and the same objectives, because of just some unforeseen competitive circumstances, has them in a position where they're going to be well below their peers at other airlines for an extended period of time. We think the right thing to do is to correct that, and you should expect to see us do it in the future if it happens again. I don't expect it will happen again, but if it does, you should expect us to do the same thing because it's the right thing to do for our team. We can't go make our culture a competitive advantage by asking our team to work for less than their peers do at other airlines. So that was absolutely the right decision and we feel extremely good about it and always will. As to relative margin performance, I will reiterate again that we at American are focused on running our own game and don't spend a lot of time focusing on what others are doing. We certainly don't define – aren't going to define our success relative to others. But having said that, I'll entertain the comparison right now because I know it's important to you all. What I know is this
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay. And second, and it's a bit of a modeling question, I think it's where Hunter was going. But flown versus flown capacity looks like it's going to be up at least 3% next year, ex-fuel TRASM up 2%, given where the fuel curve is. You're going to need something like 5% TRASM if you want to hit that $5 billion pre-tax state you're in. You just said that you'd be disappointed if TRASM doesn't exceed CASM, which is good. But I guess the question is whether you'd be disappointed if TRASM isn't more than twice the rise in CASM. I mean, you've got to admit for 2018 to be one of those mid-cycle, $5 billion pre-tax years, we really need to stretch our models at this point. Should we just let go of that target for another year?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Look, the target is, again, one that we have said consistently is one that we believe over time will average. What we say is, good years on average – that's what we believe, that's how we set our short-term incentive compensation for our executives is if we have an airline that makes $5 billion pre-tax, the incentive payments are 100%. If we don't, they're less than that. And if they're below $3 billion, there's none. We've set that in place because we believe that's what the long-term earnings power of this airline is. And we certainly believe that. We have not said, and not saying today, that that means every year, you should go expect we're going to be at that number. I'm not saying we're not, either. I'm just making clear that we didn't ever mean to suggest that every single year will be that. What we said is we will be in a range of 3%, 5%, or 7%. So 2016 is not going to be one of those years, that's now clear. 2017, I'm sorry. 16 months. 16 months, that's really clear. So – as was 2015. 2017 wasn't. I don't know if 2018's going to be or not. But we'll see. Again, that's something for you all to do your best to try and figure out based on the information we provide and the big missing piece of information that we don't provide is what we think our full-year 2018 RASM's going to be. But you can make your own guesses as best as we can. But what I can tell you is we feel really good about the industry dynamics. We feel particularly good about American's ability to do even better than the industry based upon all the initiatives that Robert and Don have laid out.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay. Thanks so much for the time, gentlemen.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Jamie.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Kevin Crissey. Please go ahead.
Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.:
Hey. Thank you for the time. Can you – I'm going to have two quick ones. Can you talk about the progress on corporate sales?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Sure, okay. This is Don. Yes, we've made good progress, this is now the third quarter in a row where we've seen improved performance in our share and share gap. And in this quarter, we also saw an improvement in average ticket value. And as we put more resources into our sales organization, we've also focused on getting more small to medium-size companies with a corporate deal with American. And this year, we've added 16,000 small to medium corporate accounts since January, that's up an increase in total small to medium corporate accounts of 50%. So we're very pleased with the progress we've made on that front.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Don, I'd just add a couple of other quick points. And one is that the team that we're bringing on, that's something that is in progress, but we'll have over 130 new people out in the field by 2018. New distribution capability, really allowing all of our customers to be able to access all of our products, was launched back in June of 2017, will continue to have a positive impact. And then one of the areas that we hadn't spent a lot of time in terms of focus areas of the group's business is something that we've been getting back into and seeing some good progress there, too. So again, the sales team, under Allison Taylor's leadership, is really doing what we had hoped.
Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.:
Thank you. The second question, maybe for Don. When you're, and I assume it was you along with the team, setting the RASM target for the quarter, as I recall and looking at the data as well, the year last year closed quite well and I think close-in bookings did well, particularly in December and the close-in environment isn't as strong this year. Can you just talk about when you were setting that range, how you thought about that situation?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Again, we've set the range based on where we are, our current held position, as well as all of the initiatives that we have in place that are going to continue into the fourth quarter. As far as kind of the close-in yield situation, we saw kind of our close-in PRASM of the domestic business be off just like 2% in July and August, but rebounded quite strongly in September. We think a lot of that has to do with Basic Economy and Basic Economy appears to be doing exactly what we wanted to do. And we think that's going to help us actually drive near-term yields positive as we go through the fourth quarter.
Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.:
Thank you.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth. Please go ahead.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore Group LLC:
Hey. Thanks. I'm not sure if anybody's already asked this, but can you talk about your revenue outlook by region underlying your healthy 4Q outlook?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
It was covered in my opening comments.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore Group LLC:
My apologies.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
He wasn't on then.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
You got it, Don? Go ahead.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yes, I'll cover it. So domestic, we're seeing – as we look forward, we're seeing, actually, yields up, so we're seeing good yield performance in the domestic business. So we're expecting that to hold up as we go through the fourth quarter. Atlantic, we expect to be pretty similar to what we saw in the third quarter where we see pretty aggressive pricing in the coach cabin related to growth of low-cost carriers, but that's being offset by strength in the premium cabin, and we think Premium Economy is going to really help us as we move forward. Pacific, we're actually expecting to be better in the fourth quarter. This is tied to lapping some of the capacity increases we had last year with new routes as well as improved share performance we're seeing in specialty channels to Asia and the response to the premium product that we put in the marketplace. We didn't have full lie-flat product in the Pacific until February of this year. And we're seeing very good response to the quality of our premium product. And the Latin is the one market where there's been kind of the greatest amount of uncertainty. The impact of the hurricane in the Caribbean, although we're seeing right, it appears so far that that demand is holding up. Some questions around the travel warning to Mexico, which we've seen a bit of softness in Mexico. And we're seeing some capacity creep into Brazil. So probably the greatest uncertainty we see right now is in the Latin entity, but we still expect them to be positive year over year.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore Group LLC:
That's very helpful. Sorry to make you repeat that. And then did you put any numbers to Basic Economy contribution in the third quarter and what you expect in the fourth quarter? Thanks for taking the questions.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Duane.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
We didn't, Duane.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore Group LLC:
Okay, thank you.
Operator:
And our next question comes from David Vernon. Please go ahead.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
Hey. Good morning, guys, and thanks for taking the question. So, Doug, I wanted to ask you like a longer-term question about industry dynamics. And I think a lot of investors look at changes in supply and demand and think that's going to be sort of the outright change in yield for the industry and for each carrier. Are you seeing any greater ability the last couple years to manage your yields independent of what might be happening in supply and demand on a route-by-route basis? Obviously, capacity is going to matter, but is it mattering a little bit less? And if you could talk little bit about what might be changing there, that would be great.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Sure, although at the end there, it sounded like a short-term question on the longer-term issue. Let me do the longer-term issue and I'll let Don talk about whether on the yield, if we're seeing yield be able to manage irrespective of capacity. Anyway, I have my own views, but I'll let Don answer it better. On the longer-term issue, anyway, I'll give you – again, we can only – all we know about is American's capacity plans and where we think we have growth. I do happen to believe that what you're seeing in our industry is, in terms of the capacity increases, is entirely consistent with what we believe is where the industry is headed, which is in the final stages of a maturation process, where you're seeing hub-and-spoke carriers filling out only in their hubs and you see some attempts from ultra-low-cost carriers and other carriers to find markets which they may or may not be able to do, largely point-to-point and they find trouble as they move into hubs. So that doesn't feel to me like any sort of major trend, but rather a, like I say, kind of a – the end, really, of getting this industry to where I think we've been going for a long time, which is an intensely competitive business with three large hub-and-spoke airlines that do extremely well, doing what we do, and then some point-to-point carriers that can find markets where they don't, where what they do makes sense. And that, like I say, intensely competitive, but not continually evolving, so at any rate, with that said, Don, on this yields-versus-capacity question?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
I think we have a number of initiatives that are part of our portfolio that have been rolling out that are all designed around increasing yields. So Basic Economy, all right, that increases yields, because while we were matching the fares before, now 50% of the people that were buying these fares before are not going to be paying more than they paid. So that's the increased yields. Premium Economy, which we're going to roll out in the wide-body is again increasing yields. This is really a leisure product. And we're seeing people buy up from economy into the Premium Economy cabin. That's going to increase yields. We now have the leading product – business class product among U.S. carriers in the long haul and we're seeing tremendous demand which is allowing us to actually sell up through the fare ladder into the premium cabin. That increases yields. All the initiatives we have in the sales organization side is getting a better share and we're seeing it today in our high-value channels. All of that increases share or increases our yield premium. And on the RM side, we've made a number of changes both in terms of our infrastructure and to our business process, which is all designed around selling out more effectively, which will increase our yields. And we have a host of initiatives coming in the AAdvantage program later in 2018 and 2019, which are going to attract more high-yield customers which is going to increase yields. So I think we got a big portfolio of initiatives that are all designed around increasing yields.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And, Don, just to add one more and that's just around all the work that we're doing with the ancillary products as well.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yes.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
Appreciate the color. Maybe just as a quick follow-up, could you help us understand where you see the distribution model evolving over the next couple years? How many customers are buying directly from you today versus the GDS and how do you expect that to change over the next, I don't know, maybe five years or so?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We've launched our own NDC initiative which we did in – just past summer. This is a long-term initiative, right? This is not going to be a kind of knife edge. Our goal here is to be able to offer more products and services to both our corporations and our travel agency partners, that's through our NDC product, it's not to replace GDS. But it's going to process, it's going to roll out over many, many years.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
And do you...
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines, Inc.:
We lost you, David.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
David, you cut out.
Operator:
It looks like the line cut. I apologize. Our next question comes from Dan McKenzie.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Dan.
Operator:
Please go ahead.
Daniel J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Hey. Good morning. Thanks, guys. Don, with respect to the full launch of Basic Economy across the system, does that mean it's available on 100% of the domestic flights or only where you face the ULCC competition? That's first. And then I'm wondering if you could just help us frame the revenue exposure, is that, say 10% or 3% of the revenue base that's facing some of this intense pricing competition? I'm just trying to get a sense of the base exposure today because the revenue guide is, of course, pretty encouraging.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Sure. Well, when we rolled out Basic Economy, we rolled it out to the entire D48, and so we have it in all markets, broadly across the entire domestic system.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Exposure.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Oh, our exposure to ULCC price. If you take a look at our total revenue pot, so that's all revenue from all sources and look at the amount of revenue that we currently sell at ULCC fare levels, this is before the basic launch, it was about 3%. And so of the 3% that we sold at basic, or sold at ULCC levels, about half of that now is selling up into a main cabin fare. So it's probably about a 1.5% of our total system revenue, all revenue, total revenue, that's – we're currently selling at ULCC price level.
Daniel J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Very helpful. And then second, Derek, if I can just kind of go back to Hunter's question and help us to get a little smarter about forecasting stock buybacks, how do we think about aircraft financing for orders that remain aircraft orders? Obviously, aircraft CapEx slows down a lot, but there's still a chunk of change going into new aircraft, so 50% financed or bought in cash? Just anything...
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines, Inc.:
I think as we look at – we're all done financing everything in 2017 and we also have financed a few aircraft into 2018, so our aircraft CapEx for 2018 is about $1.2 billion. I would assume that we finance 70% of that, 70% to 75% of that instead of full up. We may do some sale-leasebacks depending on where the market is and do it all, but I think for modeling purposes, I would use 75% to do that.
Daniel J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Perfect. Thanks, Derek.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines, Inc.:
And just one other thing I just wanted to correct from Mike's earlier question on capacity, when we talked about 2018 capacity, I had it backwards. I apologize, but departures will be up about 2% where gauge is up about 0.5%. So that's the 2.5% on a flat fleet. I just wanted to correct that from an earlier question.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Derek. Hey. We hate to cut people off that have questions, but we have a hard stop in about 20 minutes and we need to get to the media. We've got a couple of analysts lined up, it looks like. So we're just going to do speed answers on those and get to the media if that's okay.
Operator:
All right. And our next question comes from Joseph DeNardi. Please go ahead.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Joseph, how are you?
Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Great. So, Derek, if I back out the ancillary revenue that will be put into passenger revenue starting next year with the rev-rec changes, about 90% of other revenue next year will be the loyalty revenue that goes through other. So is there a plan to either rename or break out that line next year? Why would you continue to call it other when that's not really what it will be?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines, Inc.:
I think it's 80% is what the number will be when we get done with it. But we have disclosed a fair amount of it. We already have disclosed what the number is in that line, so you will know what that number is where we have it. If we have one line that says that and one that's other, that's the other 20%. We haven't thought about that in the next year, but I think that number that is in that line has already been disclosed and will continue to be disclosed.
Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Yes, just buried a little in the 10-Q. So, Doug, it would seem like maybe one of the unintended benefits from disclosures is to your labor groups, the stability that the marketing company speaks to, why they're part of a more sustainable organization than in the past. So has that been a consideration as you think about providing more disclosures and transparency? It feels like you guys are trying to find reasons not to disclose and not really looking at some of the benefits. So what do you think there?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Look, we're not trying to find reasons not to disclose, Joseph. We told you in the past, we have confidentiality issues that make it hard. We try to be pretty transparent about it. But nonetheless, we don't have any issues in communicating with our team members as is. There's nothing about our relationship with our team members that makes us think gosh, we wish they understood better how strong this company was. I think they get it. Indeed, they're a big part of why that's the case. So I'm not compelled by that. But nonetheless, we hear you on disclosure and transparency. Look, the long and the short of this, Joseph, is at the end of the day, that's just yet another revenue channel for us. And it's a place that we collect dollars even though they come through a credit card company because people use them, and we use that to give people seats that we could sell otherwise. And we don't generally disclose profitability by revenue channel. And indeed, it's really, we can talk about the revenues, it's really hard to talk about the profitability because what you're really talking is the opportunity cost of an unsold seat. So nonetheless, we'll keep working through this with you. I know it's important to you. We certainly agree it's a key part of our business, and our team gets that completely because they're a big part of the business, as is that program. Who's next?
Operator:
And our next question comes from Darryl Genovesi. Please go ahead.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Darryl.
Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC:
Hi, guys. Thanks for the time. So you guys, along with many of your peers, have highlighted some unexpected cost items creeping in your business lately, things like accelerating airport cost inflation, rising CPA costs, healthcare, shortening useful lives. There's been a long list from airline to airline. But if I were to generalize, I can come up with explanations for a lot of these. You've got tighter labor supply, tighter airport capacity, an R&D cycle at Boeing, Airbus, and oil's taken a reasonable bounce. I suppose these are all things that we could highlight as items that also restrain supply growth and afford you and the industry overall some pricing power. That being said, can you see any stabilizing factors on the horizon? For instance, have higher wage rates yet resulted in an increase in entry-level labor supply? Are growth investments in airports accelerating, anything like that? Overall, I guess what I'm asking is whether these items are, whether or not first of all, you think they're real supply constraints, and then secondly, whether you think any of them are going away.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Go ahead, Robert.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No, I'll just start with, look, our greatest competitive advantage is our hubs and our gateways. And at the end of the day, the more that we're able to execute our business model and be able to provide connections and serving the broadest market possible, that is something that we think is a sustainable advantage and something that is unique to American and other large network carriers, and it's going to be where we put our time and attention.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And, Darrell, on the trends question, I'd just add again. And I'm not trying to actually reinforce the view that we think there are enormous cost issues here, but certainly, as Derek said, there are some areas like airport. What's happening is the industry has been consistently under-invested in for a really long period of time because we weren't profitable. And airports require profitable airlines in order to go invest. The good news is we have that now and that's what's happening. You're seeing huge capital improvements throughout the industry in airports. But yes, that won't continue. Over time once those investments are made and that's in the cost structure, I don't think you'd see that continue. As it relates to the labor costs, as we said, we had a lot of catch-up to do. Once everyone is on an equal basis, we certainly are not seeing at our existing and now raised pay rates any sort of issue in terms of attracting and retaining great people. And I imagine that's the case at our competitors. So I wouldn't expect you'd see once everyone gets on a fairly level basis, certainly not the levels you've seen in terms of wage inflation going forward either. So there is a good bit of catch-up that had to happen from what was once a horribly inefficient industry to one that is now investing for the long term in its people and its airports. But once those investments are made, you shouldn't expect to see it continue.
Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC:
Okay, thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks. All right, we can go to the media.
Operator:
All right, and our first question comes from Mary Schlangenstein. Please go ahead.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP:
That was close. Hey, I wanted to ask you guys, JetBlue said on their call this week that they don't see tourism to Puerto Rico recovering until the end of 2018. I wanted to see if you have the same view there or if you see a – and they're talking about 100% recovery, if you see that maybe on a shorter timeframe.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Mary, we just don't know.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg LP:
Okay.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Anything else, Mary?
Operator:
And our next question comes from David Koenig. These go ahead.
David Koenig - The Associated Press:
Thanks for doing this. I'm sorry if this came up during the analyst session. I didn't catch all of it. But, Doug, what do you make of the NAACP travel advisory? Did they tell you that it was coming, and are you worried it will hurt sales? Will people book away?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, David. So you weren't on at the start, I guess. I did address that already. Anyway, what we think is we think it's a great opportunity. We know that we work very hard to make sure that we have a diverse and open environment and organization that we pride ourselves in those things. We also know we can always get better. So while the initial reaction was certain disappointment because when you look at that and think how can that be true of us, but once you get past that and think, well, this is a fantastic opportunity because we want to get better. We always want to get better. And what we think is business can lead the way in things like this. It's an important issue for our country and our world and divisiveness seems to be getting worse, not better. It's things that we always, within business, you don't, we can be leaders in this regard, because our employees are a diverse group of people, our customers are a diverse group of people, so we always end up being leaders in areas like this. But we can also be leaders in making it better. So if the NAACP wants to talk to us and wants to help us get better, we're excited about that. So we've already reached out. We're going to work together to get better. And we appreciate their input and we're excited about it.
David Koenig - The Associated Press:
Any worry about the impact on bookings?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I don't know. We haven't seen anything, but again, that is not the point. The work we're doing has nothing to do as to whether or not – it's not about whether or not it has a financial impact on our company. We're going to do it because it's the right thing to make our company stronger and that we care about. So this isn't about whether or not people fly us. We got – people are flying us and that's not the issue. It's about being a stronger company and providing leadership, so we're excited about that.
David Koenig - The Associated Press:
Thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, David.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Edward Russell. Please go ahead.
Edward Russell - Flightglobal:
Hi. Yes. Derek, I wanted ask about the 5 loans and the 11 sale-leasebacks you mentioned in the third quarter. Are those under the certain aircraft financings and the 10-Q that was released this morning?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yes, they are.
Edward Russell - Flightglobal:
Okay. And in terms of those aircraft, I mean what kind of aircraft were those 16 transactions involving?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines, Inc.:
Mostly narrowbody aircraft. I think all of the MAXes were part of those. Some of those were refinancing of Embraer 175's also.
Edward Russell - Flightglobal:
Okay. So the MAXes will be arriving through the end of the year?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yes.
Edward Russell - Flightglobal:
Okay. Got it. Thank you very much.
Operator:
And your next question comes from John Biers. Please go ahead.
John Biers - Agence France-Presse:
Hi, thanks very much for taking my question, John Biers from Agence France-Presse. I also have a question on the NAACP. One of the examples they pointed to was of a passenger who experienced discriminatory conduct and responded and was removed from the plane. I wondered what is your policy in this kind of example where a passenger is abused by another passenger? Now are you seeing more instances of this kind of conduct on your flights right now?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Okay, well, first off, we'll separate your question from the issue with the NAACP because I don't want to conflate those two issues. If you're asking just are we seeing an increase of customer issues on aircraft, not to my knowledge. I mean, we have those from time to time, but our team does a really nice job of de-escalating issues and our objective is to make sure we provide a product that makes all of our customers feel welcome and we'll continue to do that. But we certainly have, we don't see any significant trends one way or another. These are very rare events when they happen, we transport 500,000 people a day at American Airlines. And sometimes we do have issues with customers and that's our responsibility, just as much the other 500,000 people, so we take responsibility for them. But there is no major trend going on in that regard, but that doesn't mean they're not important. Anybody else?
Operator:
It appears we have no more questions at this time.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
All right. Thank you all very much for your time. We really appreciate it. Any further questions from analysts, give Dan a call; media can contract Corporate Communications. We appreciate your time. Thanks.
Operator:
This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time.
Executives:
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc. William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc. Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc. Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc. Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc. Maya Leibman - American Airlines Group, Inc. Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc.
Analysts:
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC Andrew G. Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc. Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc. Helane Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc. Joseph DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc. J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star-Telegram Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News Conor Shine - The Dallas Morning News, Inc. Susan Carey - The Wall Street Journal, Inc. David Koenig - The Associated Press
Operator:
Good morning, and welcome to the American Airlines Group Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. And now I'd like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations Mr. Dan Cravens. Please go ahead, sir.
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Alan, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the American Airlines second quarter 2017 earnings conference call. Joining us on the call this morning is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room we have, for Q&A session, Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer; Stephen Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; and Don Casey, our Senior VP of Revenue Management. We are going to start the call with Doug and he will provide an overview of our second quarter 2017 financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter and provide additional information on our guidance for the remainder of the year. Robert will then follow with commentary on the operational performance and revenue environment. And after we hear from those comments, we'll open the call for analyst questions and lastly questions from the media. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecasts of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but there are numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risk and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2017. In addition, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as net profit and CASM excluding unusual items. A reconciliation to those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and that can be found on our website at AA.com. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date, and we undertake no under obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us. And at this point, I'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Dan. Thanks, everyone, for being on the line. This morning, we reported pre-tax earnings, excluding special items, of $1.5 billion and a pre-tax margin of 13.5%. Our earnings per share, excluding special items, were $1.92, which is up 8.5% versus 2016. We're particularly pleased with the revenue performance in the quarter. Our unit revenues increased 5.7%, which is evidence that the long-term investments we're making at American, in our product and in our team are working. In the second quarter, we continued the most aggressive fleet modernization program in commercial aviation history. As we took delivery of 20 new aircraft to replace older aircraft in the fleet, we expanded our Basic Economy and Premium Economy products allowing us to offer more choices to our customers. And we're introducing new technologies to make it even easier for our customers to fly American, like proactive bag notification and auto re-accommodation tools. These long-term product investments are examples of how we're working to validate the trust that's placed in us by customers when they choose American and by all of you when you invest in American. We believe that building this trust starts first with our own team. We need an engaged and enthusiastic team if we want to be the best airline in the world. Early in the quarter, we gave unprecedented mid-contract increases in base pay to our pilots and flight attendants. And we continue to make other significant investments in areas such as customer service, training and team member empowerment. And we are working hard to finalize a joint contract with our ramp and mechanic team members. We're running American for the long haul. And we're extremely bullish about the future prospects for our team members, our customers and our investors. Today's results provide validation we're on the right course and we are even more excited about what lies ahead. So, we want to thank and congratulate our 120,000 team members who are the ones responsible for these strong results and the key to our future. Derek is going to give you more color on the financials, and then Robert will tell you more about the great work our team is doing, and also about some of the exciting revenue opportunities we have ahead of us. Derek?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everybody. I'd also like to thank more than 120,000 team members for everything they do each and every day. As a result of the outstanding job they do looking after our customers, we had another very successful quarter. As Doug mentioned, we filed our earnings press release and 10-Q this morning. In that release, our second quarter 2017 GAAP net profit was $803 million or $1.63 per diluted share. This compares to our second quarter 2016 GAAP net profit of $950 million or $1.68 per diluted share. Excluding special items, we reported a net profit of $944 million in the second quarter of 2017 versus our third quarter 2016 net profit of $1 billion. Our diluted earnings per share, excluding special items, was $1.92 per share, up 8.5% year-over-year versus $1.77 per diluted share in the second quarter 2016. This growth reflects the impact of our share repurchase program, which resulted in a 12.9% year-over-year reduction in our weighted average diluted share count. Our GAAP second quarter 2017 pre-tax profit was $1.3 billion. Excluding net special items, our second quarter pre-tax profit was $1.5 billion, resulting in a pre-tax margin of 13.5%. Turning to revenue, our total second quarter operating revenues were up 7.2% year-over-year to $11.1 billion. Passenger revenues were $9.6 billion, up 6.5% on yield improvement of 4.3%. Cargo revenues were up 13.1% to $196 million due primarily to higher volume. Other operating revenues were $1.3 billion, up 11.1% year-over-year, due primarily to revenues associated with our new co-branded credit card agreements that we signed in the third quarter of 2016. Robert will give more detail on our revenue performance during his remarks. Total GAAP operating expenses for the second quarter of 2017 were $9.6 billion, up 11.1% versus the same period last year. This increase was due primarily to a 12.5% or $333 million increase in salaries, wages and benefits as a result of the mid-contract pay increases that Doug talked about, as well as rate increases for our ramp and mechanic team members which became effective in the middle of the third quarter of last year. Higher year-over-year fuel costs also contributed to this increase. The second quarter CASM, cost per ASM, was $0.1334, up 9.6% year-over-year. Excluding fuel and special items, our consolidated CASM was $0.1049, up 6.8% year-over-year, due primarily to the salary and benefit increases, selling expenses due to higher revenues and aircraft-related depreciation expense. We ended the quarter with approximately $9.3 billion in total available liquidity, comprised of cash and investments of $6.9 billion and $2.4 billion in undrawn revolver capacity. The company also had a restricted cash position of $554 million. In July, our restricted cash was reduced to $490 million due to a reduction in our workers' compensation collateral requirements. During the quarter, our treasury team raised $645 million in proceeds to finance 11 aircraft through private mortgages and sale-leaseback transactions. We also completed repricing on our $735 million facility secured by our London Heathrow franchise at a rate of LIBOR plus 200 basis points. In April, the company made a $279 million contribution to its pension plans, which was $254 million in excess of the $25 million required cash contribution in 2017. And, as a result, all of our pension plans continue to be fully funded under the Airline Relief Act. In the second quarter of 2017, the company returned $500 million to its shareholders including quarterly dividend payments totaling $50 million and repurchase of $450 million of common stock, or 10 million shares. Our share count has dropped by 35% from 756 million at merger close in December 2013 to 488 million shares as of June 30. In addition to our earnings release, we also filed our investor update this morning. Consistent with our previous guidance, in the third quarter of 2017, we expect our system ASM growth to be up approximately 2.7%. For the full year, we continue to expect consolidated system capacity to be up approximately 1.5%, driven by gauge up approximately 2.5% and stage length up approximately 1%, offset by 2% fewer departures. We expect domestic consolidated capacity to be approximately flat year-over-year and international capacity to be up approximately 4%, primarily due to the continuing impact of the 777-200 retrofit program and the year-over-year impact of new Pacific markets that were added in 2016. We continue to expect the rate of CASM growth to decelerate throughout the remainder of the year. We expect our third quarter consolidated CASM, excluding fuel and special items, to be up approximately 4.5%, with mainline up approximately 5% and regional up approximately 2%. Our fourth quarter consolidated CASM expected to be up approximately 3%. We are forecasting fuel prices to be up approximately 8% in the third quarter, based on the forward curve as of July 24, 2017. On a consolidated basis, we expect to pay between $1.57 and $1.62 per gallon which is slightly higher than our previous guidance. Using the midpoint of guidance we provided, we expect our third-quarter 2017 pre-tax margin excluding special items to be between 10% and 12%. Our annual CapEx assumptions remain unchanged as we continue with our fleet renewal program, for the full year, we expect gross aircraft CapEx to total $4.1 billion, which includes the delivery of 57 mainline aircraft and 16 regional aircraft. In addition, we expect to invest $1.6 billion in non-aircraft CapEx for integration work and projects to improve our product and operations. Notable product investments completed in the quarter include new Admirals Clubs opening in Houston and Toronto, a major refurbishment of our JFK lounge and the induction of our last 777-200 for retrofit. We now will have lie-flat seats on all 777 fleet. In conclusion, our team produced outstanding results in the second quarter and we look forward to continuing in this trend. This is a busy time of the year for our more than 120,000 team members and I would like to thank them once again for all they do to continue the success of American Airlines. With that, I will turn it over to Robert.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Derek. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us. I'd also like to begin my remarks by thanking our 120,000 team members for the strong second quarter results. Without them, none of this would have been possible. Over the past several earnings calls, we have talked a lot about the many commercial and operational initiatives to improve the overall experience at American, and it's rewarding to see many of these projects come to fruition as they move from planning phase to implementation. We successfully launched Basic Economy and our new Premium Economy cabin is also performing well. We also continue to make important long-term investments in things like customer service training, facilities improvements for both our employees and customers, and technology investments to improve the overall customer experience. In addition, we just launched phase 1 of our dynamic re-accommodation and proactive bag notification self-service applications. And those will be followed by other customer self-service tools that will provide improved capabilities for our customers. Airport experience is also becoming more customer-centric with our new flagship experiences, as well as new and refreshed Admirals Clubs across the system. The first flagship dining (sic) [Flagship First Dining] location debuted at JFK on May 25 generating significant media interest and praise from the traveling community. American is leading the way in premium travel experience, and the great news is that there's more to come as we expand our updated flagship lounges and new Flagship First Dining experience to other key international gateways over the next 18 months. All of these investments are beginning to bear fruit and we're very excited about the opportunities ahead. Our operational performance continues to gain momentum as we make progress relative to our domestic peers in each of the core operating metrics. One notable area where we continue to close the competitive gap is in our mishandled baggage, MBR performance which improved 17.4% year-over-year based on DOT-reported data. The extraordinary effort of our frontline team members to drive this sustained improvement is remarkable and it's encouraging to see investments in new technology, operation centers and new ground service equipment producing intended results. We expanded our new Basic Economy product into 78 markets in the U.S. and Canada. The early results continue to be in line with our expectations with approximately half of the customers given an option to buy up to the Main Cabin, choosing to do so. We expect to roll out Basic Economy across our domestic network by the end of September. In addition, we're very pleased with the customer adoption of our new Premium Economy product, which has an average upsell rate of more than $400. These seats are now being installed on our 777-200 aircraft, and we expect to have most of our other widebody aircraft retrofitted with this highly differentiated seating choice for international customers by the end of 2018. Turning to revenue, the overall environment remains robust and we are pleased with our performance in the second quarter. Our second quarter consolidated PRASM was up 5% and our second quarter TRASM was up 5.7%. Our significant investments in our people, product, and new corporate sales initiatives are paying off, and when coupled with our new revenue management tools, changes to our AAdvantage program, and our new mobile platform, the results have been impressive. In domestic, our consolidated PRASM was up 5.7%. We saw strength across the board with Philadelphia and Miami leading the way with double digit increases. We continue to implement a number of revenue management initiatives for the Premium cabin and these are proving to be very effective. Our sales initiatives with our high-value channels are also gaining momentum as we continued to see strong performance with gains in corporate share, share gap and average ticket values. Our Latin America performance, overall, was very strong with PRASM up 15.1%. Positive Latin PRASM was driven by a strong performance in all entities, an improved trend from the first quarter of 2017 where only South America had positive year-over-year PRASM performance. We expect positive Latin year-over-year PRASM performance for the remainder of 2017. Atlantic PRASM was flat year-over-year, but more than 5 percentage point improvement from the first quarter's year-over-year performance. Premium cabin pricing and yield management initiatives, improved share performance with travel management companies and easing comps from past year events will continue to contribute to 2017 year-over-year PRASM performance. The UK is showing the largest PRASM improvement on a year-over-year basis due to improved Premium cabin performance. However, the overall environment remains challenged as low-priced carriers grow substantially resulting in a weaker pricing environment for coach travel. Across the Pacific, PRASM was positive for the second quarter, a sign that we are turning the corner on our capacity buildout for the Pacific. Both Japan and Australasia had strong year-over-year performance. Second-quarter cargo revenue improved 13.1% year-over-year on strong volume growth, continuing a trend we've seen since the latter half of 2016. As we look forward to the third quarter, we do face difficult year-over-year comparisons that uniquely impact American. In the third quarter 2016, we benefited from competitive pricing actions, IT disruptions at one of our competitors and the Olympics. That said, we still expect positive unit growth in the third quarter. Regionally, our domestic PRASM is expected to be positive for the quarter in spite of some unique events that benefited last year. We think Latin America will again be our best-performing entity with performance in line with the first quarter. The Atlantic is expected to be flat and the Pacific in line with the second quarter. Looking forward, we continue to be excited about our operational commercial investments and the value that we expect them to create. While our year-over-year comparisons do get more challenging as we lap the impact of our new credit card deal, the start of a stronger revenue environment in South America and some unique events last year, we expect our third quarter TRASM to be up approximately 0.5% to 2.5% year-over-year. Although this is lower sequentially than second quarter, this has more to do with 2016 than any trend for 2017. Our comps for the second quarter were comparatively easy while the comps for the third quarter were comparatively hard for the reasons I've stated. The best way to view this is to look at the year over two year comparisons. When viewed through this lens, the second quarter and third quarter unit revenue change is almost identical and thus, we feel very good about our second quarter revenue performance and similarly good about our third quarter performance. And we also expect that our fourth quarter unit revenue performance will be better than our third quarter estimate. While we have a lot of work left to do, we are encouraged by what we have achieved so far and we look forward to the future. With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to the operator and begin our question-and-answer session.
Operator:
Thank you, sir. And we will take our first question from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Hey. Good morning, everybody. Doug, given your two-year capacity view as well as your view on just sort of technology in general, by the end of 2018, do you expect to have greater, fewer or the same number of employees as today?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I don't know, Jamie. I think we will be growing over that time. So I would expect we would have more people, but again, we'll see as we move forward and it's not something we – that's not a number we project.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay. Also, can you tell us what percentage of the fourth quarter revenue is already on the books and what gives you the confidence in the fourth quarter RASM guide that you've delivered exceeding the growth rate of the third quarter and then it implies a rate of sequential improvement that's – I think it's better than anything you've witnessed since the close of the merger. So just wondering what the contributing factors are to the confidence there.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
There's not much on the books, as you know, for the fourth quarter. It's more of what we see on a year-over-year basis versus 2016. (20:48) the third quarter is particularly a difficult comp, and the fourth quarter is less difficult. So if things stay the same, we expect we will see more improvement in the fourth quarter than we expect to see in the third quarter.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Darryl Genovesi with UBS.
Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC:
Hi, guys. Thanks for the time. Doug or Robert, you guys have guided to a $1 billion potential benefit from cabin segmentation. I believe that was a number that Scott used to talk about. Do you still think that's a good number? And can you give us a sense of how much of that you might expect to come through in 2018?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We do think it's a solid number, and we're making great progress. As I said, Basic Economy is going to be rolled out throughout our domestic system by September, and our Premium Economy product is really dependent on how fast we retrofit our fleets. We should have that done by the end of 2018, and as we look past 2018 that should be in our numbers.
Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC:
Okay.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. This is Derek. I would – yeah, go ahead.
Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC:
I'm sorry. Go ahead, Derek.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No, I was going to say that the big piece of that is Basic Economy, and as Robert said, we'll have that all rolled out by the end of the year. So that should be all reflected in the 2018 numbers. Premium is the one that's going to take a little bit longer to be put in as we change the aircraft over.
Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC:
Okay. And I guess United initially rolled out its Basic Economy product all the way up and down the fare ladder while I think Delta's was only at the bottom three rungs, and as I understand it your Basic Economy product looks more like Delta's than it does United's. If the primary objective of Basic Economy is to segment the market in such a way as to compete with the ultra-low-cost carriers without diluting the Premium fare from the late booking business traveler, then don't you need to offer Basic Economy all the way up to zero-day APE (22:58)? And assuming that's correct, does your Basic Economy product as you've structured it today prevent you from being able to do that?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Okay, this is Don Casey. When we roll out our entire product, you'll see exactly how we think the appropriate way to structure the products, so we're not going to disclose exactly how we're going to implement it. So I think it's a bit too soon to judge exactly what our plan is.
Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC:
Okay. All right. Thanks, Don.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Hunter.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Hey. Good morning, Doug. I want to follow up on Jamie's second question because I think it's important, and I would kind of appreciate a little more thorough answer. I think the market would, too. On the 4Q commentary, if you don't want to give a number in terms of percentage bookings that's fine, but I think we should really get a sense for how you feel so comfortable about that. I think there's a lot of sloppiness and volatility in the close-in pricing which you alluded to. I just don't want this to become an overhang on the stock for the next five months, so like how can we be sure that you feel good about that hitting that number? I would imagine that you see like a pretty substantial gap between 4Q and 3Q to even put that out there. So what gives you the confidence, just one more time, to say that that's going to be better?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Same thing again. People don't book that far in advance, as you guys all know. So I don't know. Don, what do we have – percentage bookings on the...
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
14%.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
About 15% bookings. So that 15%, for what it's worth, gives us some confidence, but it's only 15%. So that is not the source of the confidence. The point we're trying to make is our third quarter comp was particularly hard. Our fourth quarter comp looks less hard. Based on what we're seeing today, if the demand environment stays where it is today, we expect the fourth quarter increase will be greater than the third quarter. It's maybe about 16% to 17%. It's about 17%, staying where it is.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Okay. All right. Thanks. And then on distribution, you had the distribution summit last month, I guess it was, can you talk about for a second what kind of feedback you've gotten from the TMCs around the direct connect concept since that conference, and how much of that is driving your expectation of corporate share gains? And can you help people understand what you're trying to do that's different than the industry in terms of sort of tailoring I guess specific products to specific corporations? And how you bank on that driving share gains? Thanks.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
This is Don, again. First of all, our NDC strategy is a long-term strategy, right. It's not a short-term strategy. And so we don't really expect anything we are doing right now in NDC to have any impact on the corporate share performance. Having said that, we're getting a lot of momentum in corporate share performance for all the other things that we're doing. Our focus in our NDC initiative is to provide kind of tailored unbundled products to corporations that are going to be integrated into the booking systems that they use to manage travel, and that's going to be a value-added proposition to our corporate customers. But it's a long-term strategy, not a short-term strategy.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Okay, Don. Thanks.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Andrew Didora with Bank of America.
Andrew G. Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch:
Hi. Good morning, everyone. Derek, I know you've put out a goal of, I think, some 2% CASMex growth in 2018 and beyond. How do you think about your pre-tax margins in that context, assuming sort of the historical correlation of fuel with fares? Do you think you could ever get back to a level somewhere in between 2015 and 2016 pre-tax margins or is that sort of too aggressive right now?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No. I mean, as you said, it depends on where fuel goes and where things are, but I think in an environment where we are at today, I think we can have margins that are above where we are at in 2017. CASM growth stays in the 2% range. We have a lot of initiatives that we've talked about that signal to us on the revenue side where we would have revenue growth higher than that that would produce margins that are comparable to those times in 2015-2016 timeframe. So, I think the margin growth is there over the next few years, and we've talked about our $5 billion number and we believe that that's where we can be from a pre-tax income perspective, up and down – ranged around $5 billion over the last few years, so we're very confident with that.
Andrew G. Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch:
Great. And I guess just to follow up a little bit on Hunter's follow up to Jamie, obviously, another airline spoke of some weaker domestic pricing out there in the market yesterday. So with your 4Q comments, it seems like you're not seeing this weakness spillover into your markets. Can you maybe talk about what you are seeing within the domestic pricing environment right now?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
This is Don again. I mean, what we are really observing is just carriers are matching other carriers' prices. In our case, for anybody flying into our hubs, we have been matching their fares since the middle of 2015. So from a competitive perspective, nothing has changed for us. And in fact, we're quite excited about rolling out Basic Economy because that is the tool we've been waiting for to put in place in the fourth quarter of this year. That's going to allow us to continue what we are already doing, which is matching the fares of anybody that flies in and out of our hubs. But it's also going to give us the opportunity to generate more ancillary revenue and generate more upsell to the product that we offer to customers today.
Andrew G. Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch:
Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
We will take our next question from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Hey. Thanks. Look, you guys have done a really nice job improving your revenue trends for the last year since you made some big leadership changes late last summer, so you clearly deserve credit for that. I wanted to ask you some follow-ups on Basic Economy. Can you talk about any positive share shift you may be seeing from the fact that you don't have it yet, have you noticed any positive share pickup out of Chicago in June and July?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We've really only rolled out Basic Economy to 78 markets. We anticipate that this is going to be beneficial in the long run. And from what we can see right now, it's going to be beneficial. It's producing the results that we want. And anything that others may or may not say hasn't really shown a heck of a lot in our numbers.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
I guess the question is more in markets where you don't have it, but a competitor does. It seems like you'd be seeing some positive share shift.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We saw some, I would describe it as fairly modest share shift in close-in bookings, but based on changes that have been made to United's pricing structure, we do not expect any of this to continue into the third quarter and that the impact in the second quarter was very marginal.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And indeed as we put it in place, it will actually increase our revenue generating performance versus where we are today without having it in play.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
I appreciate that. I guess the question is doesn't inventory management still matter? And again, you deserve credit. You're clearly focused on – it seems like you care about pricing, but if an airline puts out garbage walk-up fares at Basic Economy and then adds $20 to it and calls it Main Cabin, isn't Main Cabin fare just a garbage walk-up fare plus $20?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
If somebody flies into our hub, right? We are going to match their fares, right. And that is what we are going to go do. I mean, we do sell out, right? So we did do yield management in all of these markets and we sell out of the EOCC (31:44) pricing structure a very high percentage of the time, but that's all based on individual market, but we do yield manage. We yield manage up out of those pricing structures as demand warrants, but we will, with our basic product, match whoever flies in and out of our hubs.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Understood. Thank you.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Jack Atkins with Stephens.
Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc.:
Hey. Good morning, guys. Thanks for the time. Just sort of going back to the fourth quarter expectation that you outlined in the press release and some of the comments there, I guess thinking about having Basic Economy fully rolled out by the end of September, could you maybe comment on how accretive do you think that could be to the fourth quarter RASM number? Because I think that maybe is part of the optimism that you're sharing today.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
I'm not going to give you a number because once we roll it out, we're going to have to figure out what the right price points are and kind of how it settles out in the marketplace. So, we don't have a specific number that we're going to add into the fourth quarter. We've had a number of initiatives, right, that we've had all year that we've seen the benefits to. As Doug mentioned, 2017 is (33:05) more of a 2016 than 2017. And we expect all of the improvement we've seen through the first two quarters, right, to continue in the fourth quarter because of the initiatives that continue into the fourth quarter.
Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc.:
Okay. Don, thank you for that. And just to stay with you for a moment, if you could maybe just expand on the comments earlier just from a geographic perspective, just curious the trends that you're seeing in Asia, other carriers have commented on continued deterioration as they move through the second quarter and into the third quarter in Asia. What are you seeing there? Are you seeing the same thing? And then in Europe the comments, I think, were generally positive in the prepared remarks. Now that we're getting more towards the shoulder season of U.S. travel, would you continue to expect to see the same type of positive trends, I think, which have surprise to the upside in Europe thus far this year?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Let me just start with the Pacific. I mean, our situation in the Pacific is a little bit different, right. So in the Pacific for us, okay, we've rolled out a lot of new service. We started four new services from Los Angeles last year. We're going to lap the fourth of those new services in September, Los Angeles-Hong Kong. So from our situation, okay, we're now just kind of growing into the capacity that we had out there. In addition to that, we've improved our premium product in the Pacific. We didn't get to a full lie-flat product until February of this year. We're seeing very strong demand for our premium product in the Pacific. So, the combination of kind of lapping all of our new service and growing into that capacity as well as the improvements that we've made in the premium product may be changing our profile compared to others, but the Pacific, again, we've had a couple of positive quarters and the third quarter looks very similar to us. As far as Atlantic goes, Atlantic is challenging. The fundamentals are challenging. There is excess capacity in the marketplace. The capacity is being driven by low-price carriers. What's offsetting this for us is, again, strong Premium cabin performance, again partly because premium market is strong but plus we believe we now have the industry-leading premium product on the transatlantic and we're seeing very strong demand for that product. We're seeing strength in U.S. point-of-sale demand which is also important for us. And last year we had relatively low load factors, so we're able to increase load factors. So strong Premium cabin performance combined with load factor gains, it really offset what is a really weak coach pricing environment.
Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc.:
Great. Thanks again for the time.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
Hey. Good morning. If I could dig a little bit more on the corporate share comments, could you provide any color on the progress there? And even to the extent that I appreciate the Premium Economy comments about when that gets rolled out, but are all your international fleet – is that now have free lie-flat on a very competitive product? And are you gaining share from that aspect as well?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Don can help me out here, but we're definitely seeing share gains from our product on all fronts. And again, that's in place this summer for the first time, so adding to strength, and as we look to Premium Economy, it's just on a limited number of aircraft right now – just ten aircraft. By the end of the year, it'll be 63 aircraft, and I think in the first quarter...
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
77.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
77 – end of first quarter of 2018, 77. But we do anticipate that that strength will continue to hold as well.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
I'll just say, on the corporate front, this is the third in a row where we've seen both gains in our share and also our share gap in the corporate market. We've also seen stronger yields, so average ticket values are up. We've seen particular strength this quarter in professional services, industrials and in financials, so again, we're very pleased with our performance in corporate.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
That's helpful. Thank you. And then if I may follow up as one more way to kind of crack the 4Q issue here, just looking on a two year-over-year basis that you mentioned for looking at 2Q and 3Q, if I look at 4Q it seems like a tougher comp just on two year-over-year basis, which is why I'm kind of curious is, is the difference between like 3Q and 4Q, is that kind of the Brazil Olympics and the fact that you gained from some of the technology outages last year? And so that's not having those pressures in 4Q is what really drives that outlook? Because if I look at it on two-year basis, it doesn't seem to have an easier comp.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Okay. Let me take that. Again, we've been improving our sequential performance now for six straight quarters, and so once you go over one quarter, the comps do get harder. But we had some specific things related to this quarter that put us off trend line that were baked into 2016 last year. You've identified a number of them. The other big issue we had last year was there was a lot of disruptive pricing action in the marketplace last year, in the third quarter. We ended up with actually a price advantage for a period of time which helped us materially in the third quarter last year. Again, we look at the trend line, we look at the initiatives we have and the traction they have, and with Basic Economy rolling out in the fourth quarter, we see an improvement over the third quarter.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
Got it. All right. Thank you.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Helane Becker with Cowen and Company.
Helane Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC:
Thank you, operator. Hi, team. Thank you very much for the time.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi, Helane.
Helane Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC:
Hi. I would like to ask an unrelated question. I think you guys have talked about something like $2 billion to $2.5 billion in revenue opportunity over the next few years that you see from some of the things that you're doing, and I'm just kind of wondering one of the things you needed was obviously buy-in from labor and – so I wanted to know, have you seen significant improvement in their on-time performance and their participation and their buy-in to your plans since the labor agreements went into place?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, Helane, I'll tell you this. I think our team has always been behind us, and from our perspective, we want to make sure that we're supporting them in the ways that we need to and we can so that they can do their jobs that they want to do even better. And that's what we see. We see people that really can make use of new tools, new technology, and support from the leadership team. And so I'm pleased with where we're headed. We have buy-in, people get excited about new aircraft, people get excited about new product in terms of seats, they get excited about lounges and flagship dining. And as we take a look forward, as you noted, we have a lot of confidence in the revenue initiatives that we have coming forward. And some of those are finishing off reconfiguration programs and looking at even some others. And it's finishing off product launches that from basic and premium that we think are really going to pay off. So all-in-all, we're optimistic and very pleased with the support we have from the team, and that's only going to grow as we get stronger.
Helane Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC:
Okay. Great. Thank you so much for that. And then just one other question on IT investment. As we look forward and think about your investment in the products that you are doing, but also what – and I know I think I asked this question last time as well – what about back-office in ensuring that cyber-attacks and IT outages and other things don't impact you? Can you just talk a little bit maybe about the redundancies in your systems, and how you are ensuring – because I think I saw also you're going to the cloud, IBM cloud, right, services for some of your system? So I'm kind of wondering how that all ties together if you could talk a little bit about that.
Maya Leibman - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. This is Maya, and I'll take that question. When we think about our technology investments, they fall into a few different camps, and one of those camps is what we call ensuring the reliability and stability of our systems, because we know how disruptive that can be to our customers and to our employees. So we will always have a big chunk of investment focused on things like improving our disaster recovery capabilities, making sure that we are replacing systems and components that are end of service life, and certainly protecting us against cyber-related initiatives. So big chunk of investment is focused on that and that will always be the case going forward.
Helane Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC:
Okay. Thank you very much, I appreciate all that insight
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Helane.
Operator:
We will take our next question from Brandon Oglenski with Barclays.
Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
Hey. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for getting me on the call. I guess I want to come back to Helane's question because I feel like on the last earnings call, Wall Street was taking a pretty shortsighted view on the pay increases. So, I don't know, can we revisit the philosophy here on pay and how you encompass that into closing the margin gap? We know where Delta's guidance is for next quarter, and that was quite an issue for your competitor last week. So I guess, Doug, can you just talk about how you can get to better profitability long-term, and how that pay philosophy works into that outlook?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes, look we are not particularly concerned about how we measure our success versus others. What we care about is making sure we're doing everything we can to make American everything it can be, and to do that it's important to us that our team is properly engaged and that includes compensation. So we – it has been a long history here at American of labor discord that we are working hard to overcome, and that includes working really hard to rebuild trust with some people that lost trust over lot of times. So what that means to us is we need to make sure our team understands that we're here to support them. They know exactly what to do and how to do it. Our job is to make sure they have all the tools and products they need to go take care of customers and really do so well. And we're doing all that, as Robert described. But it also means that we'll live up to the commitment we made when we did this merger, which is we're going to – if we have an airline that has the revenue generating capabilities of other airlines, we need to be able to pay our people as other airlines do. Because of the way those two contracts have transpired, we've gotten to a point that in those two cases our team was going to be working for less than their peers at other airlines for a few years. That didn't seem right to us. So we addressed it. And we made that commitment to the rest of the team. If we find that in the future that we have – their peers that are doing the same job that they do at other airlines but not doing as well as they do, they should know that the company is going to address that, as we should. So we feel really good about that commitment, and it's one that is going to help us move forward. My own view is all the things we talked about in terms of product enhancements that we're doing and all the capital investments we're making are going to be sub-optimized if we continue to treat our team members the way they feel as though they've been treated in the past. So the way to actually get those investments to achieve their real value is to let our team be excited and fired up about the company they work for and give them an environment that they know cares about them so that they can go take care of our customers. And that's what this is for. It's for the long-term, not the near-term. We know it's the right idea. We knew it was the right idea when we did it, and we did our best to impress that upon you on the last quarter's call and I'm certain it'll play out over time. A decent time for me to make the point that, again, we're in this for the long term and we look at investments in the long-term and we look at this mid-contract pay increase as a long-term investment as well. And we feel good about the long-term. When we get on these calls, we spend a lot more time talking about the near-term than we do internally; that's fine. That's something that you all care about a good bit more than we do, and our job is to make sure that we address those concerns for you all. I'll tell you, though, when we talk to our shareholders, these are the same kind of conversations we have. We talk a lot more about the long-term with our individual shareholders, and we're really pleased to see how our shareholder base has gotten to be a lot more long-term holders because I think they appreciate what we're doing at American to build for the long-term. So anyway, it's a long way to be saying we don't just look at a world that says how is it going to affect next quarter's earnings? We look at a world that says what's it going to do the make sure that American over time produces the kind of returns for our shareholders that they deserve? And that includes making investments in the near-term that'll pay off in the long-term.
Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
I appreciate that response, Doug. And I guess as we look out over the long-term, I know you guys are going to have an analyst meeting in couple months. Maybe we'll save it for that. But is there any reason why you think your airline, your network can't be industry-leading from a return perspective or a margin perspective?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I don't know. It depends on what the others do. What I know is what we've said in the past, and again, the best evidence I can give you is the way we compensate our executives. We've built an airline that we know over time – and indeed, in the near-term time, not in the distant future – that today should be able to produce $5 billion pre-tax earnings in a normal year, $7 billion in a really good year, $3 billion in a not so good year. That's the company we have here. That's what we believe we have. That's not just a goal. That's how we build our incentive compensation plan for our team. If we have a year where we make less than $5 billion pre-tax, our executives get less than target bonus. If we make $5 billion, they get target bonus. If make more than that, they get – and if we make less than $3 billion, they're not going to get a bonus at all. That's what we've built, and we feel really good about where we are in that regard today. As we look to next year, we'll talk more about that as we get to earnings – as we get to our Investment Day and as we get closer to 2018. But 2018 looks like a year that we can – again, it certainly doesn't look like a year that can't be one of those target years. So we feel really good about where the company is today, what our prospects are for the future, and we're really bullish for our investors, for our team members and for our customers. The investments we've been making for the last few years are beginning to pay off already and there's a lot more ahead. So we're excited.
Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
Thank you.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Joseph DeNardi with Stifel.
Joseph DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Yes. Thank you very much. Just two questions on the card program. I'll try and get more creative next quarter. So, Derek, just on the accounting of it. Is it fair to say that the revenue from selling miles, which flows through the passenger revenue line, has costs associated with it, those costs being providing free travel or some other reward? But that the revenue from selling miles, which flows through the other revenue line, does not have much in the way of costs, negligible bag fee waivers, lounge access, that type of thing. Is that a fair characterization?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I mean, we lump it all into one. I mean, the amount that goes through the other revenue line is more the marketing driven side of things, but we lump it all into one. There's expenses for all of it to provide travel for our frequent flyers. So there is a definite cost to it. As you talk about over the past time, all we had said is that the increase in the new credit card deal that we did was more rate driven than it was volume driven. It was just an increase in the rate as we went forward and negotiated with our cardholders. So we had said that that came at not too much of a cost. But if you look at the overall program, there is costs associated with both of those dollars that come in to provide travel for our frequent fliers.
Joseph DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Okay. And then you mentioned or quantified the average upsell on the Premium Economy side. Can you do the same on the Basic Economy side on the 50% upsell on Basic Economy, what's the average upsell?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Okay. This is Don, again. I think we've set the structure. These are our beta markets at $20 upsell, and $40 upsell in the close-in bookings. But as I said earlier, even though that's the upsell, the yield management system will potentially sell up from that, beyond that, right. That's just the starting point. So if we just look at the initial sell-up point, it's about $23 because most of the volume is at the $20 sell-up rate.
Joseph DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Great. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thank you.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from David Vernon with Bernstein Financial House (52:21).
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
Thanks for taking the question, guys. With the Premium Economy, can you give us a sense for what percentage of the international seats, when it's fully rolled out, will be premium versus regular economy? And whether you have any plans to expand the Premium Economy into the U.S. market as well?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I don't know if we have a number to...
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
It's 20 to 28 seats a plane.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
Okay.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
These are wide-body airplanes that have 250 seats, 280 seats, so.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
Yes...
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And there's no plan right now...
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
And there's...
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
...to go domestically.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
No plans domestically, yes.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
Okay. And I guess as you think about maybe longer-term, the vision around the flagship experience, if we were to just, say, look out five to seven years, what do you think is going to change about the travel experience on American? Like, what's the vision about what you can do from a customer experience perspective that you think will be either special or unique or will help you, kind of, deliver a better travel experience over the next, call it, five to seven years?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, this is the start of it. So the flagship lounge and flagship dining product we have plans to expand over the next year, 1.5 year. And that's a continuation of making sure that we're meeting the needs of a premium traveler. So whether you're taking a look at the hard product on the aircraft and making sure that we have the best first- and business-class hard product in terms of seat and entertainment, whether you take a look at our product on the ground with flagship check-in or the lounges, and then in terms of how we serve our customers with technology and with our personal attention through things like the AAdvantage program. We've got all the tools, and the great news is that there's more coming in every one of those categories. So when we take a look at the premium customer, we think that things are definitely going to be improving, and they're going to have value for the money they spend on American.
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
Do you envision things like agentless boarding and things like that, like more automation, kind of, hitting the ground-based operations as well? I'm just trying to get a sense for how you think this is going to shift. Do you think there's some potential there to change that experience in a meaningful way?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, yes, and Maya can help me out here, too. But, look, customers demand gratification instantly in many respects, and so we want to give them what they want and what they need, whether it's personal attention or technology to make their days easier. So the process for a customer in the airport is going to get better and better from a baggage perspective and also from a transit through the airport and onto the aircraft. And the real advantages I think for the vast majority of customers that we can provide is that when things do go wrong, or when things are disrupted, we can make things a lot better in giving options on an immediate basis. And then, personalization is something I think that is out there. The more that we can stay connected with our customers, the more that we know what they want when they want it, and we have means to deliver it. Maya?
Maya Leibman - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
(55:51).
J. David Scott Vernon - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC:
All right. Thanks for the time.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
All right, thanks.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Kevin Crissey with Citi.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Kevin.
Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.:
Good morning. Hey. Thanks a lot. Maybe one, I'm not sure if it's maybe for Don. If an airline files a fare on its website that differs from the ATPCO filing, how quickly do you see that? And how does that affect your pricing strategy, generally?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
We track every channel. And if we see prices, we will respond to price action in any channel and every channel.
Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.:
So the match would be at the lower of the two fares. Is that the way you would take that?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
We will match whatever fares are in the marketplace in our hubs, wherever they are.
Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.:
Okay. Thank you. Maybe bigger picture, can you talk about your view on the transatlantic, the thoughts of the effectiveness of the low-cost model over time, maybe the pros and cons? I don't know that it's a proven model, but maybe you could talk about the pros and cons of the low-cost model. Obviously, you're not operating that model, but it's important because it's obviously having an impact on transatlantic leisure demand. Thank you.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. I think the best place to go to that is to the low-cost carriers. I can't really predict how well they're going to do. I can tell you, though, that we have confidence in being able to compete against them. The nature of our system and our hub-and-spoke network and the gateways that we have I think provide us with a unique opportunity to deliver a higher quality product, one that people will pay more for and with a lot of content that can't be delivered by the ULCCs. So it's going to be a competitive marketplace. We know that there's a lot of capacity coming, but we feel confident in our ability to compete, no matter what goes on with the ultra-low-cost carriers.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
And I'll just add, one of the competitive tools that we have is our current (58:03) business arrangement with IAG. And IAG has the ability to go and launch new carrier called Level. And so we are participating in this market through our partnership with IAG because the Level services are part of our joint business relationship with them.
Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.:
Thank you so much.
Operator:
And at this time, we'd like to take questions from the media.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Before we do that, operator, I just wanted – before we leave the analysts, a little gratuitous commentary from me again. Look, I just want to stress again how excited we are about where American is today and where we're headed. And again, I believe that if you go and model in what we've been telling you, which this is an airline that can produce over $5 billion pre-tax profits on a normal year, and that we feel today that we're undervalued. It feels at least to us, to me, that things like these near-term pricing issues that have been happening for the last few years feel like still part of the market that just can't believe the industry has really gotten itself well and is looking for signals that indeed we're going to default back to the industry of the past, almost like this is too good to be true. And what we've noticed over the last few years is those tend to be buying opportunities. So that's what this feels like to us. We felt undervalued before yesterday, and we felt more undervalued when yesterday was over. So again, I would just encourage those of you that can to look at American in today as to what we produced and what we will produce going forward, not so much about what's going to happen in the next three weeks, but more about what's going to happen in the next three years. And we feel good about both those things, by the way. We just don't think what's going to happen in the next three weeks has any impact whatsoever in our value today, because that should be based on what we're going to do in the long term and over the next few years. And we couldn't, again, be more happy, more excited and more bullish about that. So by no means we're trying to be dismissive of your concerns about the near term. We recognize that's important to some subset of our shareholders and we'll do everything we can to answer them. But just please understand that if we don't have quite the same level of concern as you do, it's because we don't view this as importantly as some of you do because we're in this for the long game, and we're going to keep being in it for the long game. But we'll do our best to keep addressing those concerns of you that care about the short term. All right, media.
Operator:
And at this time, we will take our next question from Andrea Ahles with Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star-Telegram:
Good morning, Doug.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi.
Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star-Telegram:
So earlier this week, TWU was out protesting, picketing at DFW Airport and one of the things they talked about, while they didn't talk about specifics of the company proposal that was offered last week, they were making the point about outsourcing. That they want to see actually some of the work that had been outsourced under previous contracts brought back in-house. And I was wondering if I could get some comments from you and the team, about your thoughts on bringing some of the work that's currently being done by third parties back in-house?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah, thanks. Again, we indeed are in the middle of negotiations. The company, in an effort to bring to a close, the contract negotiation that's been going on too long, put a comprehensive proposal on the table in the last week, and we'll leave that at the table. The IAM, TWU has done a nice job of doing that too, as you note. They haven't talked about specifics of our proposal. But look, what we'll tell you on the point you raise, American does more work in-house than any other airline, and nothing in our proposal seeks to change the amount of work done by our aircraft mechanics and where it's done. So we'll continue to work with them, but we're trying to get two contracts to come together and they have different kind of work rules and scope clause and things like that. We put a proposal to our team that results in a contract for our IAM and TWU members that is industry-leading, just like we have in every other contract we've gotten done. So we're confident we'll get that done at some point in time. We need to continue to work through it with our team and we prefer to do it with them as opposed to talking about it in public, but as it relates to outsourcing, we again, American does more in-house than any other airline and that'll be the case going forward.
Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star-Telegram:
Do you think you guys can come to an agreement before the end of the year?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I don't know, Andrea. Look, we'd like to. This is the one contract we still haven't gotten done. But again, not for lack of trying on either party's part. It's a very complex one. We're dealing with two separate unions that have formed a coalition alliance. Thank you. They have formed an alliance to work together. They're working together, but that's hard. They haven't worked together before. It's seven different work groups covered by this alliance, so two different unions, two different contracts, seven different work groups going through it clause-by-clause takes some time. As you know, about a year ago we came to the conclusion that it was taking too long and that wasn't fair to our team, so we worked out an early kind of not joint agreement but an agreement with the alliance that allowed our team members to get significant pay increases and so that's happened. That's the good news is they're not far from industry-leading wages as we sit here today. So we've taken care of that part and now we've got to get this through a joint collective bargaining agreement. I know we will at some point. If it's done by year-end or not, that's up to the negotiating parties to try and do that. We certainly are trying to do that by putting this comprehensive proposal on the table earlier this week, and we're waiting to hear back from the IAM and TWU and I suspect shortly we'll keep it at the table and hopefully hammer something out. What gives us encouragement, of course, is we've done this with every other work group. When we get done with them, our team has industry-leading contracts. That'll be the case here, so we'll keep working through it. She's gone.
Operator:
And ma'am, does that answer your question?
Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star-Telegram:
Yes. Yes. Thank you.
Operator:
Okay. And we will take our next question from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi, Mary.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News:
Hi. Good morning. Don talked earlier about an average upsell on the Basic Economy and I didn't get those figures. Can I get those again, please?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Sure. So the structure we have in our test markets is a $20 upsell and a $40 upsell closer to departure. And the average upsell rates are $23 because most of the volume is happening further from departure, because as we get closer to departure we actually sell up out of the basic structure.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News:
Great. Great and if I can ask, hey, Doug, so I kind of hear you saying that the emphasis on RASM and other near-term numbers like that you think are misplaced in terms of valuing the company. So what would you see as a better measure? If investors want to look at something near-term, what would you rather see them look at?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
The long-term. Look again, it's up to our investors to decide how they value a company and that's their job, and they know how to do it. So I'm not trying to tell anybody how to do it. Our point is simply this, as we look to the value of American Airlines, near-term pricing changes don't have any impact at all on what we think the value of our firm is. And none of these things feel like trends in the environment, they feel like noise. They feel a little bit like things shaking out. But what I know is this, we have an airline with a hub-and-spoke network that allows us to compete against anyone in and out of our markets for the long-term. And we feel extremely good about that, and we are making huge investments in our team, in our product such that that network will be able to compete with anyone with similar networks. And as a result, what we know is we have an airline that's going to produce results in good and bad times that are going to give really nice returns for investors, give really nice product to our customers. And give a really great place to work for our team members, and we're excited about that. So again, we're not trying to tell anyone how they should value the company, rather just noting that when prices fall in the near-term, we don't go run off and change our five-year plan. We don't go off and tell our executives that we're going to lower our target for your incentive compensation because someone else has gone and decided they're going to have some price skirmish for a while. But those are all short-term things and we aren't supposed to make decisions for the near-term. We're supposed to make decisions for the long-term. Our team is doing a phenomenal job of doing that, and we feel we are really, really bullish on the future. And as a result, we tend to talk about those things more than the shorter term.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News:
Thanks, Doug.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Mary.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Conor Shine with The Dallas Morning News.
Conor Shine - The Dallas Morning News, Inc.:
Good morning, guys. I was hoping that you guys could talk about the decision around the Boeing 737 MAX seating arrangement, why did you consider going to 29-inch pitch for some of those seats and how did your whole experience with that, how that's going to affect how you think about density decisions in the future?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. Conor I'll try this and anyone else can chime in. That decision again was one that was released not by us, but somehow in a way that I think over state of the situation, but that's fine. I mean what we had at one point planned to do on our 737 MAXes was get three rows in the aircraft to have – would have a 29 inch pitch notably. These are new state-of-the-art slimline seats, very high in comfort, but also much thinner than the existing seat. So 29 inches feels like something bigger than that. But nonetheless that piece of information came out on its own, and when it did, we got a lot of push-back from our customers, and most notably, from our team members, who care as much as anybody in the world about having the product they need to take care of the customers. So when we started hearing from our flight attendants and others that, gosh, really. You're going to put us in a position where we need to explain to these customers that indeed this is necessary so that we can have one more row of main cabin extra for the rest of the airplane? It was an issue that we came to the conclusion wasn't the right decision to make, and again back to those long-term point, while we could convince ourselves that that might be able to produce somewhat higher revenues on the aircraft, what it was doing to our perception with our team wasn't worth it. So we decided to go back to 30 inches for those three rows, and again, 30 inches on a slimline seat which will feel more like 31 or 32 inches, and to go with one less row of main cabin extra. It wasn't a hard decision for us, frankly. It was a decision that had been made in a different environment, and as we announced it, it was about to happen. When we got pushback from the team, we agreed with them. Rob?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No. Doug, the only thing I'd add is, it was never about more or less seats on the aircraft. It really is just one row of main cabin extra that was allowed that has just been converted back to a row of normal economy to produce the 30 inches. So it's a balance that we've got to constantly take a look at, and I think in this case we took feedback from all the right parties and made the right long term decision.
Conor Shine - The Dallas Morning News, Inc.:
Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Conor.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Susan Carey with Wall Street Journal.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Susan.
Susan Carey - The Wall Street Journal, Inc.:
Good morning, everybody.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Good morning.
Susan Carey - The Wall Street Journal, Inc.:
Two little questions. First of all, on your China Southern investments, the $200 million, I assume that's a done deal now. And I wondered what percentage of China Southern you own as a result of that investment? That's number one.
Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi, Susan. It's Steve. We actually haven't closed the transaction yet. We're waiting for some final government approvals related to the slot exchange. We expect to get those, I was going to say this month, but in early August and can close the transaction then. And I actually haven't done the calculation, but it's sort of 3%-ish of China Southern.
Susan Carey - The Wall Street Journal, Inc.:
Okay. I'm asking obviously because I'm wondering, given the airline casino that opened yesterday among Delta, Air France, VA and China Eastern, whether, a), you have an opinion about that transaction just from afar? And secondly, are you kind of motivated? Or have you thought about investing in your partners in the same manner?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Susan, it's Doug. We are very happy with our partners and the partners we have in place, particularly those that we either have joint ventures with or are working to get joint ventures with. We always look at ways we can strengthen the partnership. That may make sense over time. To date, it hasn't made sense for American with any of our partners except China Southern where indeed we needed to help a new partner appreciate that we were in this for the long term. But the rest of our partners, one, they're on pretty sound financial footing and aren't coming to us looking for investments, and two, already have really long term commitments with each other. So, again, not to opine on what others are doing. I'm sure they have reasons that I'm sure make sense, but my guess is the basis for those reasons is ensuring that you have long term partnerships where everyone is equally committed. We feel that way already, but as we move forward that may or may not be something that makes sense for us and our partners. But really happy right now with the partnerships we have and the long term commitment to each other.
Susan Carey - The Wall Street Journal, Inc.:
Thank you.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from David Koenig with Associated Press.
David Koenig - The Associated Press:
Hello. Susan asked my question. Let me pivot then to kind of a Washington question. There's been no visible action yet on your complaint against the Gulf carriers, and the Senate looks like it's not going to go along with privatizing air traffic control. And they're raising the PFC which is going to mean higher prices for your customers. And I'm wondering, how do you think Washington is doing on your issues? And are you concerned that your agenda is not going to get enough attention because of all the chaos and other issues that are going on there?
Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
This is Steve again. We aren't concerned. I mean let's face it, there's a lot going on in Washington, and there's a lot of drama. And we have tough issues, issues for which there's some real opposition, and it's not really a great environment in Washington in July of 2017 to have the kind of discussions that we need to have to really get these issues focused on and across the finish line. I mean, we're all looking forward to everybody being able to escape Washington for the August recess and have some time to get away from the drama. That'll be an opportunity to have some really good discussions about issues and hopefully we'll be able to reset and focus on other things in September and October and be able to move these issues forward.
David Koenig - The Associated Press:
Okay. Thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, David.
Operator:
And it appears there are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the conference back over to our presenters for any additional or closing remarks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thank you all very much for your interest. Any questions, reach out to either Dan in Investor Relations or our corp com people for the media. We appreciate your interest in listening in. Thanks for your time.
Operator:
And, ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference. I'd like to thank everyone for their participation. You may now disconnect.
Executives:
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc. William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc. Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc. Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc. Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc. Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc. Elise R. Eberwein - American Airlines Group, Inc.
Analysts:
Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC Andrew George Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC Joseph DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc. Helane Becker - Cowen & Co. LLC Michael J. Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc. Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc. Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc. Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc. Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc. Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star-Telegram Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News Ted Reed - TheStreet, Inc. Conor Shine - The Dallas Morning News, Inc. Dawn Gilbertson - The Arizona Republic, Inc.
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group First Quarter 2017 Earnings Call. Today's conference call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operation Instructions] And now, we would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens. Please go ahead, sir.
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to our first quarter 2017 earnings conference call. Joining us on the call this morning is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, President; and Derek Kerr, Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room with us for the Q&A session is Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications; Bev Goulet, our Chief Integration Officer; Maya Leibman, Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; and Don Casey, our Senior VP of Revenue Management. Like we normally do, we're going to start the call with Doug and he will provide us an overview of our first quarter 2017 results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter and provide some additional information on our guidance for the remainder of the year. Robert will then follow with commentary on the operational performance and revenue environment and then after we hear from those comments, we'll open the call for analyst questions and, lastly, questions from the media. But before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning revenue, our future revenues and costs, forecast of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning in our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2017. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning such as net profit and CASM excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and that can be found on our website at aa.com. A webcast of this call will be archived on our website. The information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us, and at this point, we'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks a lot, Dan. Thanks, everybody, for being on the call. This morning, we reported our pre-tax earnings excluding special items of $491 million. We are extremely excited about the near and long-term prospects for American Airlines and our shareholders. We are in the midst of transforming American through investments in our product and our team and it is working. Our unit revenues are increasing at a faster rate than our competition and the outlook is strong. Robert will talk more about that in a minute. Before that, I just want to talk a little bit about an initiative we put in place last night. Many of you have heard us talk about the mission at American, which is to validate the trust that is placed in us. That is a trust our customers place in us and when they choose American for their travel, and it's a trust all of you put in us when you select American as an investment choice. And at American, building trust for us starts first with our own team. We announced yesterday something that impacts our expenses, but it's also a very important step as we rebuild trust at American with our team. The announcement yesterday was that we would make mid-contract pay increases for our pilot and flight attendant groups. It's an unprecedented move because those two groups have close to two years left on their existing contracts and to the best of our knowledge, something like this has never been done in our industry. And so therefore, it's a move that might surprise or even dismay some of you because it adds costs to the airline. We couldn't be more convicted about doing it and here's why. When we merged, we knew we were creating not only the largest airline in the world, but we set out to build the best. And that's best defined by a global network, a best-in-class product and an engaged and enthusiastic team. With our industry profoundly changed, we made a commitment when we merged, the new American would have pay rates for our team that were at or near the top of our competitor's pay rates. And I'm happy to report that we've lived up to that commitment in every joint contract we negotiated thus far. Also, the reason last fall, in spite of not having reached an agreement for our mechanics and fleet service workers, we moved their pay rates to industry leading rates in an unprecedented move as those contract negotiations have continued. But it's the right move for the new American. So we're going to keep leading this way because it's the right way to lead any service organization and certainly the right way to lead American Airlines. There's a history at American that's bred some mistrust, and we're working hard to change that culture, and the team is making great progress in that regard. We recognize pay alone won't build trust, but we also know it's an important step in the right direction. As outlined in our 8-K last night, the expense add is about $350 million annually for something less than two years – I'm sorry, less than – a little over two years, as our contracts were amendable at the end of 2019 and early 2020. That's certainly a lot of money of our shareholders but in the bigger picture and taking the longer view, as a service organization, investments in our team are investments in our product. And the leverage at American today is in closing our unit revenue gap, and we believe this is an investment that will help us do that and therefore help our shareholders. We think it's precisely this kind of investment in our people is going to make the difference in our service, and while this won't happen overnight, we also think it's the kind of investment that will continue to drive revenue outperformance for American. And as that happens, all of you will be the beneficiaries of those returns. So in closing, we're tightening the revenue gap quickly, and our investments to accomplish this are going to continue. Because we work for all of you, you can be assured we're using your money to create an airline for the long-term. We couldn't be more excited about our prospects. And now, I'll turn it to Derek for the financials and then Robert will talk more specifically about how we're doing in the operation and in our revenue progress. Derek?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. Before I begin, I'd like to thank our 120,000 team members who continue to do an exceptional job of taking care of our customers. Because of their hard work, our integration efforts and financial performance have been outstanding. As Doug mentioned, we filed our earnings press release this morning. In that release, our first quarter 2017 GAAP net profit was $234 million, or $0.46 per diluted share. This compares to our first quarter 2016 GAAP net profit of $700 million or $1.14 per diluted share. Excluding special items, we reported a net profit of $308 million in the first quarter 2017, or $0.61 per share versus first quarter 2016 net profit of $765 million or $1.25 per diluted share. The significant year-over-year decline in earnings is due primarily to a 37.8% or $472 million increase in first quarter 2017 consolidated fuel expense. Our GAAP first quarter 2017 pre-tax profit was $365 million. Excluding net special items, our first quarter pre-tax profit was $491 million, resulting in a pre-tax margin of 5.1%. Our revenue performance continued to improve in the first quarter 2017 as total operating revenues were up 2% year-over-year to $9.6 billion. Passenger revenues were $8.2 billion, up 0.8% on a yield improvement of 2.4%. This marks the third consecutive quarter that our unit revenue performance has been the best of the six largest U.S. carriers. Robert will give more detail on our revenue performance later on the call after I'm done. Cargo revenues were up 6.3% to $172 million due primarily to higher volume. Other operating revenues were $1.3 billion, up 9.3% versus the same period last year due primarily to revenue associated with our new credit – co-branded credit card agreements. Total GAAP operating expenses for the quarter were $9 billion, up 11.4% versus the same period last year due primarily to higher fuel prices and salaries and benefit expense resulting from the investment in our team. Had our first quarter 2017 fuel prices been flat to last year's $1.21 per gallon, our consolidated fuel expense would have been approximately $500 million lower. First quarter CASM was $0.1402, up 12.6% year-over-year. Excluding fuel and special items, our consolidated CASM was $0.1116, or up 7.6% year-over-year due primarily to salaries and benefits, increases provided to our team members, which is about worth three points, higher depreciation and amortization resulting from increased CapEx in our aircraft – new aircraft, about a point, and maintenance timing of about a point. We ended the quarter with approximately $9.1 billion in total available liquidity, comprised of cash and investments of $6.7 billion and $2.4 billion of an undrawn revolver capacity. The company also has restricted cash position of $543 million. During the quarter, our treasury team raised $983 million to finance 24 aircraft deliveries at a fixed rate blended cost of 3.93%. We also re-priced $1.8 billion term loan at an industry leading rate of LIBOR plus 200 [bps]. In addition, we also closed two private mortgage transactions to finance four more aircraft. In the first quarter of 2017, the company returned $563 million to its shareholders, including quarterly dividend payments totaling $51 million and the repurchase of $512 million of common stock or 11.7 million shares. Including share repurchases, shares withheld to cover taxes associated with employee share distributions and equity awards and the cash extinguishment of convertible debt, our share count has dropped by over a third from 500 – excuse me, 756.1 million at merger close in December 2013 to 495.7 million shares as of March 31. The company did declare a dividend of $0.10 per share to be paid on May 30, 2017, to stockholders of record as of May 16, 2017. In April, we also made a $279 million contribution to the company's defined benefit plans, of which only $25 million was required, which are now fully – the plans are now fully funded as of April 17, 2017 under the Airline Relief Act. In addition to our earnings release, we also filed our investor update this morning. Consistent with our previous guidance in the second quarter of 2017, we expect our system-wide ASM growth to be up approximately 1.5%. For the full year, we expect consolidated system capacity to be up approximately 1.5% and domestic consolidated capacity to be up approximately flat year-over-year. We expect international capacity to be up approximately 4%, primarily due to the continuing impact of the 777-200 retrofit program and the year-over-year impact of new Pacific markets that we added in 2016. Over the past two years, we have made significant investment in our people, our product and our operation. And as Doug discussed in his remark, we are offering mid-year contract, hourly base pay rate adjustments of approximately 5% to our flight attendants and an average of 8% to our pilots. The estimated pre-tax income on the company's 2017 salary and benefits expense would be approximately $230 million in 2017 and $350 million in 2018 and 2019. So those are numbers that come off the base that we are at today. So the total impact is $350 million. We are happy to be able to fulfill the commitment we made to our team members and continue to believe these investments are vital to improving our product and operation. With these pay rate adjustments, we now expect our second quarter of 2017 year-over-year consolidated CASM, excluding special items to be up approximately 7%. The mainline is in the range of 6% to 8%, and the regional is in the 3% to 5% range. We continue to expect higher year-over-year fuel prices in 2017, based on the forward curve as of April 24. We expect to pay between $1.63 and $1.68 per gallon consolidated in the second quarter of 2017, which is approximately 16% higher year-over-year. Using the midpoints of the guidance we just provided along with Robert's revenue guidance, we expect our second quarter 2017 pre-tax margin, excluding special items, to be between 11% and 13%. For the full year, we expect gross aircraft CapEx to total $4.1 billion. This includes the delivery of 57 mainline aircraft and 16 regional aircraft, while retiring 46 mainline aircraft and reducing the overall regional fleet count by 9 aircraft. In addition, we expect to invest $1.6 billion in non-aircraft CapEx, which includes projects to improve our product and operations, as well as investments to complete our integration. With respect to our fleet, we announced in our release this morning that we reached a new amended agreement with Airbus to defer delivery of the 22 A350 XWB aircraft the company has on order. Under the new amended delivery schedule, we expect to take delivery of the first two A350 aircraft in late 2020 instead of 2018, as previously expected. We now expect to take delivery of these A350s from 2020 through 2024 with an average deferral of 24 months. In addition, we also reached agreement with Boeing to defer the delivery of two 787-9 aircraft from the second quarter of 2018 to the first quarter of 2019. These changes, as well as the impact of changes to net pre-delivery payments, reduced the company's planned capital expenditures by approximately $500 million in 2018 and approximately $300 million in 2019 and 2020 and provides us with additional wide body capacity flexibility. So in conclusion, our team produced outstanding results in the first quarter and we look forward to more of the same as we move into the peak summer travel period. I would like to, again, thank our 120,000 team members for the great service they provide to our customers. With that, I will turn it over to Robert.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Derek. Good morning, everybody, and thanks for joining us. I would like to start by recognizing our 120,000 employees. My colleagues have done outstanding work over the quarter and we've asked a lot of them over the last few years and they've really delivered. The first three months of the year, we saw continued improvement across the enterprise, including operational improvements, fleet refresh, customer experience and team member engagement. We continue to make smart long-term investments in things like customer service training, facilities improvements for both our employees and customers and technology to improve the overall customer experience. These investments are starting to pay real dividends, and we're really excited about the trajectory that we're on. Our operation continued to take big steps for the first quarter. Despite the impact of Winter Storm Stella in March, which disrupted the operations at stations in the Southeast, Mideast and Northeast, American team members set new post-merger operational records in February for mainline, on-time departures, on-time arrivals and mishandled baggage. We had eight days without a single mainline cancellation in the first quarter, which is more than any year that we've had since the merger. These accomplishments demonstrate our progress in creating a consistently reliable operation for our customers and team members. While much of the integration work is already complete, there's several noteworthy projects in the works that will refine our network and make us even stronger for our customers. Some of these projects include the March announcement of new service to eight cities from our hub in Chicago, as well as one new route in Dallas-Fort Worth and Miami. None of these 10 new additions will serve cities that have flights to other American hubs and have historically performed well. In addition, the bank patterns at our Miami hub have been redesigned to facilitate better connections, more efficient gate utilization and faster processing through customs and immigration. One critical part of refining the network is focusing on the areas where we can maximize the value of our resources and we're building up service in profitable cities, improving the efficiency of the scheduling process and making structural changes at our hubs. These are just a few of the examples of how we're striving to invest our resources to create a seamless operation for our team members, the best product for our customers and the highest return for our owners. On the commercial side, we rolled out the new Basic Economy product in 10 test markets in early March with encouraging results. In the 10 launch market, half of the eligible Basic Economy passengers have bought up to the main cabin, which is right in line with our forecast. We plan to continue to roll the product out to the remainder of our domestic and short haul international markets in a phased approach with more markets coming in May and June. At the end of March, we started selling Premium Economy with our first departures on May 4. We expect to have nine widebody aircraft configured with Premium Economy by the second quarter and more as time comes in the future. We also announced an agreement to invest $200 million in China's largest carrier, China Southern Airlines. Later this year, we expect to begin codeshare and interline agreements that will give our customers approximately 70 more destinations in China, beyond Beijing and Shanghai. Lastly, we entered into an arrangement with Scandinavian Airlines to obtain two slot pairs at London's Heathrow Airport, strengthening American's presence at a key international gateway for American and our joint business partner, British Airways. Turning to revenue, we're very pleased with the revenue performance in the first quarter. Our first quarter consolidated PRASM was up 2%, and our first quarter TRASM was up 3.1%. This is the third consecutive quarter where our unit revenue performance was materially better than the rest of the industry. And not just the industry average, but better than each of the six largest U.S. carriers. We believe that this outperformance can be attributed to the significant investments we've made in many years of business from our people to our product and to selling, revenue management, our AAdvantage program and our mobile platform and aa.com. And customers are noticing. We recorded our highest customer satisfaction rating since the merger, the fifth consecutive month of sequential improvement. And last week, the Harris Poll named American Airlines its Full Service Airline Brand of the Year. And earlier this year, American was named the 2017 Airline of the Year by Air Transport World. Turning to domestic, our consolidated PRASM was up 2.3% and importantly, improved in every month in the quarter. We have been implementing a number of revenue management initiatives for the Premium cabin and they have proven very successful. Our sales initiatives are also bearing fruit. We continue to see a positive trend in corporate share in the first quarter with strong results across the network. This trend is continuing as we enter the second quarter as well. Our Latin America performance overall was very strong, with PRASM up 7.7%. Although Brazil led the way, up 43%, strength (20:14) broad-based also. The balance of South America had positive unit revenue growth as well, while other areas within the region had low single digit declines. The Atlantic was our weakest performing international entity with PRASM down 5.9%, but that number overstates the decline in actual performance. It requires some explanation. While our results did decline as a result of industry growth in a soft pricing environment, half of the decline that we saw is due to an out of period adjustment that positively impacted last year's results. And another point and a half is due to the decline in UK currency and our exposure to that. Across the Pacific, PRASM was positive. This is the first positive result since the third quarter of 2014 and is a sign that we're turning the corner around our capacity build-out in the Pacific. We expect this region to continue to improve as we lap the additions of Haneda, Sydney, Auckland and Hong Kong throughout the year. First quarter cargo revenue improved 6.3% year-over-year on strong growth, a positive trend that we've seen since the latter half of 2016. The focus that our cargo team members have placed on improving cargo's operational performance and efforts to deliver best-in-class customer experience are paying off and being recognized by the industry. American Airlines Cargo was voted Air Cargo News 2017 Cargo Airline of the Year for the third straight year. And American is the only U.S. based carrier to have been recognized with this honor in the award's 34-year history. So looking forward, the revenue environment at American is very strong, and we expect this momentum to continue. The June quarter will mark the sixth quarter in a row of sequential improvement unit revenue and the third consecutive quarter of positive unit revenue growth. Based on published guidance, we expect to outperform the industry in the second quarter as well, for the fourth quarter in a row. We continue to expect positive revenue improvements for each quarter throughout this year. Regionally, our domestic PRASM is expected to strengthen in the quarter due to a number of initiatives focused on Premium cabin pricing and yield management and continuing gains through our investments in our sales organizations. In Latin America, we expect another quarter of strong year-over-year improvements with every entity having positive unit revenue. The Pacific entity is expected to perform in line with the first quarter. Lastly, the Atlantic region has continued to show modest signs of improvement due to easing comps from past terror events. However, it remains challenged, as low priced carriers continue to grow and the British pound remains weak. As we look to the second quarter and beyond, we're excited about our operational commercial investments, and we expect our second quarter total revenue for ASM to be up 3% to 5% year-over-year. We rolled out our new Basic Economy product, our Premium Economy product as well, and early results are encouraging. While we have a lot of work to do, we look forward to reporting on future successes. With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to the operator and begin our Q&A.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operation Instructions] And we will take our first question from Kevin Crissey with Citi.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hello, Kevin.
Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.:
Hey. Good morning. Thanks. Can you provide evidence that cultural investments are more than recouped through higher revenue? Having worked at JetBlue, I can assure you that investors are unconvinced by this argument.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. Kevin, what I'm certain of is that we – the leverage in this airline is in closing the revenue gap that we have. And I'm equally certain that our ability to do that, while asking our team to work for less than their peers is a big challenge and one that I'm certain either is fair to our team nor to our leadership because it makes it increasingly difficult. So I don't know that I can directly answer your question but I'm highly confident that it is correlated. And would note, again, this isn't about us making a bet that, oh, if we can go get to rates that are – pay levels that are higher than others, that will get us something that will allow us to generate higher revenues than others. I don't think I would make that argument. This is about us getting our team to the levels that are currently in place at our competitor airlines and consistent with the commitment we made to our team at the time of the merger that we would compensate them in line with their peers at other airlines, a commitment again that we've made consistently with each and every contract. But in the case of these two contracts that were done shortly after the merger and were put in place on five-year terms, which is also worth noting, longer terms than the other airlines are putting in place today. It just got to where the gap was too big and it was going to be in place for too long and that didn't feel right to any of us. So I feel good about that commitment. It's a commitment we're happy to make, not just in this case, but to any of the rest of our team to the extent we see large discrepancies in our pay rates, our base pay rates versus competitors, other airlines and there's still significant amount of time and we can get that addressed through contract negotiations. You should expect us to correct it because that's the right thing to do for our team and I think – and I do believe, Kevin, what happens so long as we do that, we have an engaged and excited team that is seeing the trust they placed in us validated and they go take care of our customers and that's the best way to take care of our shareholder.
Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.:
Thanks. But isn't this taking your number one cost item and handing it over to the most aggressive competitor effectively? Whoever thinks that they can pay the most goes out and signs a contract and your labor rates are going to go to that optimistic or arguably the dumbest management team out there is an argument investors could look at. You've taken it out of your hands and put it in the hands of others and that doesn't feel like what well run companies do.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes, I would beg to differ. Again, given the experience levels here, and what our teams have been through. And look, we're comfortable with the commitment. You're right, in one sense, I suppose, that if you want to look at our commitment and figure out what it means for the industry, the answer is you've got to go ask others in the industry because we're, indeed, not leading this charge. We're just making sure we're staying – we're catching up. So where it goes in the future will be dependent on what others do in the future. But look, I feel, I think again, I think this is – what you're seeing here is the maturing of an industry and an industry that has seen the people work in this business go through incredibly difficult times and what we needed to have happen was that get corrected. And I think look – and I think it's largely corrected. We were encouraged to hear Delta, apparently at their Investor Day, mentioned that they put in place a 6% pay increase for all their team, for all their non-union members, which at Delta is everyone, I believe, except their pilots and their dispatchers. So the vast majority of the airline they increased 6% again this year but note on their Investor Day they thought that was their last industry reset and they would see inflationary increases in the future. So I don't know that I agree with your premise but I certainly agree with our commitment and that is we're going to make sure, because it's important that our team who is an incredibly important part of our product is excited and engaged. And it's hard to do that if they see others that do the same job they do and don't do it as well at other companies, getting compensated more on an hourly basis. So that's important to us. It will continue to be important. I don't think it's dramatically different than if you saw another airline make some major enhancement to their in-flight product, you would see us match those because it is an important part of making sure that we're taking care of our customers. And these are the people to take care of our customers, the people that are on the frontline, not just our pilots and flight attendants, our mechanics, our fleet service employees, our reservations agents, our gate agents, every single one of them deserves the same commitment and we're happy to make it.
Kevin Crissey - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.:
Okay. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Kevin.
Operator:
Moving next to Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Hey. Good morning, everybody. Doug, you have this plan to achieve pre-tax profits mid-cycle of $5 billion. Over the last year or so, it feels like you may have been retreating from that somewhat. Consensus estimates certainly don't embrace that outcome and now, of course, you're adding additional costs to your internal forecast. When do you think you'll be able to reverse direction and start moving towards that objective? Or are we doing the right thing by kind of just ignoring it?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah, Jamie, I think you referenced some comments that we made at your conference and the rest of the group may not know what you're talking about, so let me try.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Oh, I'm sorry.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
That's quite all right. And I don't know, your conference is so well attended maybe everybody knows exactly what you're talking about but I'll try anyway.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
When it doesn't snow.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes, that did make it rough. So look, and importantly, I need to restate it because – I would restate it slightly differently than what you just said. Here's what I said and here's what we do. And it's a really important point so I'm glad you raised it. We believe the – we have a company today that over – on average, over time in today's current environment, should generate pre-tax earnings of around $5 billion. Now, look, it's a volatile business. We all know that. That hasn't changed. While that level of earnings is a number that no one has ever fathomed before, the fact is it's still volatile. So, we think it will average $5 billion over time. We think the better years will look around like $7 billion and the lesser years will look around like $3 billion but over time, we should expect this company can generate over time $5 billion. Now, look, that is not just a statement that we make. That is how we compensate our every one of the employees at American Airlines that get an annual bonus, so everyone essentially manager level and above. That's why this is important. We use that formula I just said to fund our annual incentive pool, and we've done that since the merger. Now again, the $3 billion and $7 billion have moved around a little bit as we've gotten more comfortable with post-merger earnings, but the $5 billion hasn't changed since the day of the merger. And maybe it will change one day but we're not changing it – we're certainly – nothing about what we're seeing today leads us to believe that should change. So that's what I reported to you all is that – that's what we think about the earnings prospects of this company. And not only do we think that, that's how we fund our incentive pool. So, again, the way the incentive pool works, not that you care that much about our executive compensation, but I think it's really important to what you think about our expectations for the business. We fund the incentive pool by telling the team, look, if we have a year where we make $5 billion, we're going to fund the incentive pool at target. If we have a year where we make $3 billion, we're going to fund it at half of target, below that, there's no bonus. And if we have a year where we make $7 billion that's the maximum, which is double the bonus. So – and you're right, no one on the Street, I think, is forecasting $5 billion for American this year. But we didn't change that formula for the team. So this – if indeed the Street is right, this will be one of those years that's slightly worse. And there will be years in the future that are slightly better. What's important about this point is that if we are right, and, again, we're not just throwing out numbers here. This is how we're incentivizing our management team. If we're right, our stock is so undervalued it defies logic in my view. If we're right, and this company is going to – over time going to average $5 billion pre-tax, really easy – really simple math and you guys are a lot better at this than me, but I'll go to the simple math, $5 billion taxed is $3 billion, $3 billion and for a company today that is trading at somewhere around – has a market cap of about $24 billion, that's eight times what I'm telling you I think is our steady state earnings. Eight times steady state earnings when the average S&P company over the last 20-something years has had a multiple of earnings of something like, help me, Dan, 19 times. Feels like people don't believe the $5 million (sic) [$5 billion] (34:05) number. And that's fine. But we do. So that's why we're so bullish on the company. And the investments we've made today only strengthen that view. We don't look at that and think, oh, gosh, now it's $300 million harder to get to $5 billion. We look at this and say this reinforces our view that we're going to continue the momentum we have in improving the revenues by these investments we're making, and we feel even better about that in the long-term. So that's what I said, and that's what we still believe.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
As part of that, it looks like it still takes considerably more American employees to get the job done than at Delta. And it's tough for me to accurately do that analysis. There's some outsourcing issues we have to account for, but there do seem to be opportunities for American to become more efficient, and your letter last night seems to imply as much but maybe that's just my interpretation. Can you quantify the opportunity to improve labor efficiency?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, look, I would say this. When you say it's difficult for you to do that, I would argue it's almost impossible for you to compare those numbers. There are enormous differences in the amount of work that American does in-house versus what some other airlines do outside. So you wouldn't see it in the head count or in the salaries, you'd see it, instead, in their numbers and their outside services, and we try to do similar analysis and you can't get there, I don't think. But I'll tell you this, as is the case in most mergers, when you're running two airlines, you need to have some redundancies in place that as you get through the merger, you can eliminate, and we still have some of that in place. But rather than trying to quantify it, because I don't know that we know what it is yet and/or how we're going to manage it and over what period of time, I would just point you to the guidance that Derek rattled off on our cost trends. We had CASM ex fuel in the first quarter here of 8%. The second quarter we say 6% to 8%. The third quarter we say 3% to 5%. Fourth quarter we say 2% to 4%. That includes – again, those estimates include this adjustment that we made last night. So that's a rapidly declining year-over-year increase in cost. And while we're in no position to start giving 2018 guidance yet, I would certainly expect that that trend would continue into 2018 and that is that number of 2% to 4%. And fourth quarter 2017 would be even lower for the full year of 2018. So it's coming down. The rate of growth is certainly slowing. But look, we recognize that our job is to make sure we're running the airline efficiently, and we believe we're doing so today. There are some things that because we're still running in some cases two separate airlines that may have us doing that less efficiently than we'll be able to do over time, but we'll make sure we get there as quickly as we possibly can. I think you'll start to see most of that in 2018 and, again, nothing to report now on how big that will be because I don't think we know. I know we don't know because I don't know.
Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC:
Okay. Yeah. Doug, I appreciate you taking my questions this morning. Thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Jamie.
Operator:
We'll go next to Andrew Didora with Bank of America.
Andrew George Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch:
Hi. Good morning, everyone.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Andrew.
Andrew George Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch:
Doug, on that note, in terms of the $5 billion, kind of, run rate pre-tax earnings, I guess, when you consider that, and given the permanent step-up in labor, does it change your view at all of capital allocation? With these higher fixed costs, would you consider more debt pay-down over share repurchases going forward? And if not, why?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
The short answer is no. And again, I come back to the overriding point, which is this increase in our near-term expenses in no way changes our view about our long-term prospects. Indeed, it gives us more confidence that they're achievable. So nothing about this makes us think anything about – and, again, let me make one other point on that because this seems to be a theme – a recurring theme that I'm having trouble getting across. We look at this longer term than – and on the long-term, this was an expense that was coming. There's no way when we got to 2020 and did new contracts, of course, that we're going to go sign new contracts with our team that were going to keep in place this sort of a gap. So we accelerated an expense. Again, not something we do lightly and not something we had to do, something we thought we should do. But none of this, to us, feels like any sort of change in the long-term prospects, and when we think about things like share repurchase and capital allocation, we think about it in the long-term. So no, no change in that. We're really confident with our current capital allocation. We think we're doing the right thing for our shareholders, we're happy yet again, as Derek noted, to make some purchases in the quarter that were a good bit less than the price at least as we opened today, and so we feel good about that. We think we – another thing worth noting again on the capital allocation piece is, yeah, our debt is higher, but it's because our assets are better. Another point that I think sometimes gets lost, maybe our fault for not mentioning it enough, but this higher levels in debt versus our competitors is driven by the fact that we have a much younger fleet, and that fleet is a lot more valuable. There's a fleet they have in place and that drives higher debt, of course. So we feel good about the capital allocation, and we will continue to do what's best for our shareholders and our team as we go forward.
Andrew George Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch:
Got it. Understood. I guess, maybe kind of changing gears a little bit, maybe one for Robert. Can you talk a bit more about what you're seeing on the Trans-Atlantic, given kind of this onslaught of low cost carrier capacity into the summer? Have you adapted the way you manage inventory in response to this at all? And kind of what are your expectations for demand on Trans-Atlantic as we head through the summer?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I'll let Don give some more color. But we're optimistic about what we're seeing close in. But as you note, have concerns about capacity in the long run. Don?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yes. I mean, we – clearly, there's a lot of capacity growth, and there's a pretty active pricing environment. The industry did a big reset in terms of pricing last year heading into the fourth quarter where we've been more – a bit more aggressive versus low cost carriers. We do have easing comps. So as we go forward, I think we're going to see the comps get a bit easier. We also ran last year at relatively low load factors, U.S. point of sale demand was not as strong as we had hoped last year. Although we're seeing some weakness coming out of the UK, overall, the U.S. point of sale seems very robust this year, and we expect, as we go through the summer that we're going to run materially higher load factors than last year.
Andrew George Didora - Bank of America Merrill Lynch:
Great. Thank you, everyone.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Hunter.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Yes. Good morning. So I know, maybe it's a question for Derek, since Derek is the one that made this comment last quarter. I know you said, obviously, it's early to guide to 2018 CASM, but just last quarter you said you think you'd be able to keep CASM ex under 2% over the next couple of years. I'm not sure if you were referring to an average number, or each of the two years? But given the new labor cost increase, do you still feel like that's doable?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes, I still feel like that's doable for each of the two years, not just over the two years but for each of the two years.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
All right. Good. And then just to be totally clear, I think, Robert, you said you expect continuing positive improvements in RASM each quarter this year. You weren't saying the 3Q growth rate was going to get better than 2Q or just saying it's going to be above zero, right?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Okay. Do you want to give us maybe an early quick read on how you're thinking about 3Q, anything we should know about in terms of like calendar weirdness, or capacity or anything you're lapping, just to kind of give us an early thought, how to think about that sort of second derivative growth rate?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No, there's really – there was a lot of pricing action in the domestic market last year that kind of got sorted out in July that had an impact on some of the bookings through August in particular. October actually was a bit of a weak month for just about everybody last year. But other than that, I think it's nothing stands out as being dramatically impacting the last half of 2017.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC:
Okay. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Hunter.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Hey. Thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hi.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Just on the combination of CapEx and pension funding, can you walk us through that this year, 2018 and 2019?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. So in this year, we'll have $4.4 billion in combination, so CapEx of $4.1 billion. Pensions, we did $279 million. In 2018, CapEx – aircraft CapEx is $1.6 billion, and pension right now we're forecasting $1.1 billion. But one thing I want to note on that, that's an assumption that the mortality tables do change. If the mortality tables do not change, that'll be reduced by about $400 million, so we have the most conservative number in there. So it's $1.6 billion in aircraft CapEx and $1.1 billion in pension payments. And then in 2019, aircraft CapEx is $2.8 billion and pension payment is right at a $1 billion.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
And is that $1 billion level – for a longer-term model, is that $1 billion level kind of what we should be thinking about?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No, it drops in – in 2020 it drops to $600 million; and 2021, it drops to $600 million. And those are all assuming the mortality table changes. If those don't change, then those could be modified, but it goes down to $600 million in 2020 and 2021, so I'd say the run rate is more $600 million past to the 2019 timeframe.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Okay. And we should add $1.5 billion in non-aircraft to those numbers?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Okay.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
At least through 2020 and then I think it'll come down to about $1 billion to $1.2 billion in 2021.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Thanks for that detail. Have you looked at – I know at least one competitor was able to go into the unsecured market and get very attractive rates to sort of advance fund some of that. Have you analyzed that? Is that something you could even do, given the higher leverage?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We have analyzed it. We could do it if we want. We think we're – we don't have any requirement to do any payment until 2018 and don't believe we should go forward with that. I think the $1.1 billion we're doing in 2018 will get us to 80% funded which is exactly where one of my competitors went to. So that's the reason we're going to 2018. We only have to do, I think it's $60 million in 2018, so the $1.1 billion is significantly over what we're required to do in order for us to get to that 80% funded once the Airline Relief Act comes off. So, well, it's similar to what they're doing, we just don't need to do it until 2018.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI:
Thanks very much.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Duane.
Operator:
We'll go next to Rajeev Lalwani with Morgan Stanley.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hello.
Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC:
Good morning. Thanks for the time.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Good morning.
Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC:
Robert and Don, this'll probably be for you. You – your updated RASM guide points to sequential improvement that's relatively modest versus peers and relative to just what you posted in 1Q, and you've highlighted a lot of revenue opportunities that are impressive out there. What do you think is the driver there in terms of the lack of an acceleration, given all the things that you've got going on?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I'm not so sure I'd characterize it like that because in all honesty, what we're seeing is a lot of demand for our Premium cabin, and that I think is a sign that the kind of investments that we're making are taking root. We see that strength holding strong forward in the business market and from a business perspective as well. And I think that our outperformance is going to continue. It – we've got a good impressive string here, and that's what we see going forward. Don?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yes...
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Go ahead, Don. I'm sorry.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Yeah. I mean, I – first of all, let's not, I guess, confuse guidance with performance. Guidance is guidance and not everybody hits their guidance. So we'll see how the actuals come in when we get through the second quarter. Although on the – from a guidance perspective, this looks like a – sequentially we're not increasing as much. But this will again be the fourth quarter in a row where our performance is better than everybody else's, and so we'll just have to wait and see where the actuals come in, in terms of year-over-year versus others.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yeah. Thanks, Don. That's what I was going to say. And again, the others may meet their guidance and we may exceed our guidance. If you're asking us to forecast the gap versus the others, we're certainly not forecasting that that gap will narrow in the second quarter. We just think we probably have – we may have different biases in our forecasting. Ours might be more conservative than theirs. But if the second quarter actuals come in and that gap closes, that's, I don't know, we'll look at why that happened if that happens, but we certainly don't expect that.
Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC:
Point taken. And the other question, a bit more nuanced, can you talk about the outlook for the LatAm market? Robert, I think you provided some color for 2Q but I was looking for more, just beyond, as far as puts and takes in regard to supply demand, what South America is looking like, Mexico, Caribbean, et cetera.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
Okay. This is Don. We had, obviously, a very solid first quarter performance in Latin America, Brazil led the way. We had positive unit revenue in all of South America and low single digit declines in the rest of the South America market. As we look forward into the second quarter, we see continuing strength, actually strength improving. And in the second quarter, we expect a positive year-over-year unit revenue in every entity in Latin America that it looks very, very robust at this point.
Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC:
And just broader puts and takes as we look beyond 2Q as far as what you're seeing or thinking on the supply side?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
We're not really seeing anything dramatic on the supply side in LatAm, overall. We're seeing affirmative growth in Mexico but we're seeing a lot of demand growth as well, but nothing that we see that's going to change our current outlook.
Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC:
Very helpful. Thank you, gentlemen.
Operator:
We'll go next to Darryl Genovesi with UBS.
Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC:
Hi, guys. Thanks for the time. Hey, Doug, you've alluded a couple of times to this opportunity to go drive some relative revenue improvement relative to your peers over the next few years. I mean, I guess, I was just hoping that you'd help characterize where do you think the relative revenue discount is coming from today? I mean, is it network or is it on-time performance? And can you help us understand, sort of, what are the components of that you think are addressable versus those that perhaps aren't as addressable?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I'll let Robert try and do that probably more in terms of the things we think we can do to close as opposed to what drivers are. Go ahead, Robert.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Darryl, I'd just like to point out that I think there are a number of things that are benefiting us that are certainly due to the investments we've been making, but in all honesty a lot of catch-up and I do think is – will benefit us and it's going to be unique to American. Some of the things that are just taking root now, as we've talked about, we are still confident that between our Basic and Premium Economy products that we're talking about a $1 billion worth of incremental revenue, which is sizable. I think everybody – I think you know that we haven't really had a premium product for our widebody long haul flying that's been consistent out in the marketplace. And so, this year we will finally have a lie-flat product across all international entities, which is fantastic. We think that we have some density issues with our narrow body fleet that we will be addressing in the coming years as well that I think will have benefits in terms of overall revenue production and also will help us from a unit cost perspective as well. Don and team have been making improvements in revenue management. And I want to underscore the work that we're doing with our sales team as well. And I'd like to say that a lot of that's baked into the current numbers, but I'm glad that as we look forward that that is just coming on, and we think is going to continue to drive outperformance versus the industry.
Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC:
Okay. So you think all that stuff, and I realize that it is difficult to see this, but if you were to take all of that stuff you that just mentioned there, which seem relatively addressable in nature and add them all up that that's enough to offset both the discount, for instance, from Delta that you're achieving today as well as what I'd call probably a positive or relatively positive impact from you already having to do a fleet in the industry. Is that a fair characterization or is there something structural about the network that's also causing you some difficulty?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
When we take a look at the list of initiatives that we are pursuing, we think that that will definitely make us competitive.
Darryl Genovesi - UBS Securities LLC:
Okay. Thanks very much, guys.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Darryl.
Operator:
And please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question. We'll go next to Joseph DeNardi with Stifel.
Joseph DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Yes. Thank you very much. So, Doug, back in 2007 when you were running Airways, you said at the time you were talking to some bankers to get a sense of what the loyalty program could be worth. We've spoken to a couple of guys in private equity and they would use about a 15 times EBITDA multiple on it. That puts the valuation somewhere around $30 billion to $40 billion. Your market cap is half that. So two questions, would that surprise you, that valuation, and if it made sense to see what it was worth back then, why doesn't it make sense to do the same thing now?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, first off, I can't believe I said that in 2007, but if you say I did, okay. This has been an issue, at least from our perspective is it's part and parcel of the airline and part of running the airline and part of inventory management and something that at least in my recollection I've never considered as a particularly good idea to spend out – maybe when we forgot exactly how we financed survival it might have been something we were looking at. But so, anyway, rather than trying to figure out why I said something in 2007, I'll tell you what we think now, which is. Yes. Well, first up to your larger question, would it surprise me to learn that's the value of the advantage program? I would have to say, yes. Because that is greater than the value of American Airlines in total as we sit here today. But I am not arguing with you. You guys are better at doing valuations than we are, and the market will decide. I find it odd that simply separating something that is inside the airline today and putting it into a separate entity with the exact same cash flows would somehow generate that much incremental value, but again, that's something that you guys can figure out better than we can. But actually, I should be careful on that. If we believe that, then of course we would be spending perhaps more effort trying to figure out how to spend it out. What I believe is the advantage program is really valuable. It's an incredible part of our airline. It's a significant reason that we feel so good about our future. And we maximize the value for our shareholders. And whether or not that is done in-house or in a separate entity, that's going to be the case. And the value will be created. So we agree with you, there's a lot of value there. We agree with you that perhaps that's another reason the airline is undervalued, I just think we're undervalued for all sorts of reasons. I think people don't appreciate what's happened in this industry or this airline, and how it's going to make a difference in the long term. And that's where we're focused. As I told you last time, we agree with your pointing this out, and we will continue to try to do a better job of pointing out to investors as best we can the value of the advantage program. But it's part and parcel of the airline and a really important part of the airline and one that we're happy with the way it's being managed and the value it's producing. And it's in our – in the results of the airline today and in the future.
Joseph DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Okay. I mean I guess, Doug, I would just say that the past two years at Jamie's conference, you've made your – making the lead presentation and talked about why there's less cyclicality in the business and the credit card and loyalty program isn't a part of that. So I'm just wondering, do you not mention it because you don't believe that it's an important part of improving cyclicality? Or are you just hesitant to talk about it because it seems like the first rule of having an airline cobrand card is you don't talk about the airline cobrand card?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Okay. Fair enough. It's not that. So, yes, okay, fair enough. We should probably spend a little more time pointing out that that stream of our earnings is a little less volatile than other streams. So noted.
Joseph DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.:
Thanks, Doug.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks.
Operator:
Moving on to Helane Becker with Cowen & Company.
Helane Becker - Cowen & Co. LLC:
Thanks, operator. Hi, team. Thanks for taking the question. As I think about your domestic route network. I know you're focused on Los Angeles, and maybe you can give us a update on facilities and what you're doing there in terms of have the new facilities opening and so on. And then when I think about the growth that's occurring in Fort Lauderdale and the other side of the country, you guys have the big hub in Miami, I get it, in Latin America and so on. But do you worry about the huge increase in capacity an hour and a half north of one of your major, most important hubs and just wondering if you can comment on kind of those two issues?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Steve Johnson will take the LA piece.
Stephen L. Johnson - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Sure. Thanks, Helane. Just with respect to facilities in Los Angeles, we – I think everybody knows that earlier this year or late last year, we actually opened the connector between the Bradley Terminal and Terminal 4, which is in use. I got to use it personally just the other day. It's a great way to get from international connection to our domestic service or vice versa. And that's been a big hit with our customers. Then, very recently, we moved our limited operation that was in Terminal 6 to Terminal 5 and to adjacent to the tunnel that goes between Terminal 4 and Terminal 5. So those gates are now much more adjacent and much more convenient for our customers to use. And then finally, we're in negotiations with LAWA for a long-term lease at LAX that will change the face of our facilities there. Those negotiations are confidential beyond that, so I won't say anymore, but we're hopeful that we can get those completed in the next four or five weeks.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. And, Helane, I'll talk a little bit more about South Florida. So, we understand the competition and then also the nature of the markets, and so there's always appropriate consideration. But look, Fort Lauderdale, it's a nice, local market operation. We view Miami differently. We do view it as the ideal connecting opportunity and hub for American, but not just American, of any carrier to the South America. We've got a nice position there. And a lot of the work that we're doing is really to try to maximize the flows and over the long run, we do think that that is something that is going to set us apart. And you may have noticed recently that's actually helped us in markets like Cuba, where we can do things because of the connecting power of the hub, and we're going to continue to make sure that we maximize utility of that operation.
Helane Becker - Cowen & Co. LLC:
Okay. Great. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Helane.
Operator:
Moving next to Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Michael.
Michael J. Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Hey. Thanks, guys. Just two quick ones here. Bob, you talked about positive improvement in corporate share when you were talking about domestic PRASM. Any particular sectors or regions where you saw some share gains that you can elaborate on?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
It's Don. I mean, to be honest with you...
Michael J. Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Hi, Don.
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
We saw improvement across the board for our – in corporate markets. And this, again, marks a kind of high-water mark for us since the merger. And in the first quarter, we had our best performance in terms of both share and share gap, and our trends heading into second quarter are also very strong.
Michael J. Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Okay, great. And then just second, just a clarification on the CapEx deferral to Derek. Is that – so is that $800 million or $1.1 billion? I'm not sure if it's $300 million in two years or $300 million per year?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
$300 million per year. So it's $1.1 billion over the three years.
Michael J. Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.:
Perfect. Thanks.
Operator:
Savi Syth with Raymond James has our next question.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
Hey. Good morning. A question on the – in the last few years, I think American has been a little bit more exposed to some areas that have seen greater pressure, be it South America, be it some of the aggressive pricing on low-cost carrier markets, and we are seeing that reverse. I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on how much more we could see, or how much more there is to go? And maybe some that might not come back in the near-term?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Okay. I mean, basically clearly we had some kind of unique headwinds that affected us, right? The Southwest growth at Love Field, the OCC growth Brazil, Venezuela. But we really kind of came out from under all that at the end of the second quarter of last year. And so, Brazil's clearly one area where we're seeing some year-over-year improvement, but the rest of that really doesn't really drive any year-over-year change. So the real value we're seeing and the uptick in our revenue performance, although Brazil is a piece of that, it's really being driven by all of the other initiatives we have out there in the marketplace. It's the new airplanes, it's the new product, it's the restructuring of our Advantage program, it's the investment we're making in sales, and the investment and change we're making in revenue management. All the things we're doing, which is a long list, right, is really what's driving the benefit. It's not just some lucky, fortunate year-over-year comparison. It's really kind of fundamental, the fundamentals that are getting better for us.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
Sorry. And I meant, not necessarily a comparison issue but maybe a reversal issue of some of the pressures that you saw. Finally a follow-up on Mike's question on corporate, was – are we seeing corporate revenue and yields up now year-over-year? Is that firmly in that trend?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Actually in the fourth quarter we did see yields come up. In the first quarter of this year, we saw yields actually for corporate flattish.
Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.:
Great. Thanks very much.
Operator:
Moving on to Jack Atkins with Stephens.
Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc.:
Hey. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for the time. Just kind of going back to comments earlier around the revenue initiatives, specifically some initiatives around improving the density on the narrow body fleet. Can you just expand on that for a moment in terms of when you think that could begin to impact results and sort of the opportunity there?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
So those are things that we look at on an ongoing basis. And again, some of the things that you will see showing up is the work that we've done with our wide body, our 777 reconfiguration program where we're moving to a standard configuration. So that's on that front. And we think that there's opportunities with the narrow bodies as well. And that is something that you'll see in 2018 and beyond.
Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc.:
Okay. And then just kind of following up on that as well. Thinking about your prepared comments on Basic and Premium Economy, just sort of curious if you could update us in terms of how you're thinking about the portion of your domestic flights that will have those two additional classes of service on them by year-end. And then, just what sort of revenue impact that's expected to have in the back half of the year as comps perhaps get a little bit more challenging?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
So in terms of Basic, that's something that we anticipate for – it will be something that we offer throughout our network.
Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc.:
Yes.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
So for Basic, it's really just the timing of the rollout for us, right? So, we have more markets coming in May and June. These are still, I guess, I would view as kind of test markets, the next two tranches similar to the first tranche. But we're going to end up expanding this broadly across the whole network eventually, right, and pacing item for that is really going to be our training and staffing. But we're committed to roll this out everywhere, and we're quite encouraged by the initial results. Premium Economy is the next thing. And we don't really kind of get to a critical mass of airplanes on our roll-out of Premium Economy probably until we get in first quarter of next year. So we still kind of consider what we're doing right now kind of a test, and we're very focused on this. A lot of it is channel education. We're the first U.S. airline to have this product, and so we need to make sure that all of our distribution, all of our selling channels know what the product is. And we need to make sure we work with our third-party distributors as well to make sure that the product is being appropriately displayed in all the systems, so people will understand what it is and what they're buying. And that's what we're focused on right now for Premium Economy. But, again, it will be critical mass by the first quarter of next year.
Jack Atkins - Stephens, Inc.:
Okay. Thanks again for the time.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks.
Operator:
And Brandon Oglenski with Barclays has our next question. Sorry. Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research has our next question.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Hey, Dan.
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Hey. Good morning. Thanks, guys. Doug, help us understand why the $5 billion pre-tax target is realistic from your perspective. You're saying it's the right hurdle for executive compensation, and I know you. You're not pulling that out of thin air. Why is that? So from where you sit, what are the larger revenue opportunities over the cycle that gives you confidence you can offset the labor headwinds this morning, and what are the new initiatives worth over the coming one to two years?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
I think Robert laid those out pretty well. He can lay them out again for you, if you'd like, as to what the initiatives are. And as to the value themselves, we mentioned that as well.
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Basic and Premium Economy we mentioned.
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Right. So look, that is the value that gives us confidence. All you need to do is look at the current gap in revenue per ASM as soon as we close that, you easily get to numbers like $5 billion as a run rate number. So, look, but that's not how we go about coming up with this number. The way we come up with this number is knowing what we do about where the industry is today and where American Airlines is positioned in that industry, both of which we feel good about and both of which feel dramatically different than they've ever been before. And based upon that view, that's what this feel – that's what the company feels like to us. I don't want to portend or pretend that we go and that – those numbers I said to you are the basis of some enormous analysis that's laid out for the next 15 years. It's where we believe this company is today. And look, the facts support it. Since the time of the merger, we have had earnings in that range. This is a worse year than others, and it's still in the range. One of the things I do like to point out to people when they – part of the reason – part of the explanation, at least, I get sometimes, Dan, from investors as to why it is even if you believe what we – why it is that that we are so undervalued relative to other industries. The reason I get is, well, it's because investors are afraid you guys are going to do all the things you've done in the past to eliminate value. And as someone who's been around through all those years, I know what those things are and were, and the things that are rattled off, as you know, you're going to grow faster than – once you start making money, you'll grow faster than demand. Once you start making money, you'll give more to labor than you did when you were making less money, and they'll take some of the upside that should go to shareholders. Fuel prices will go up, and you guys won't be able to react. I would just point out this
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Yeah, thanks for that. And I guess maybe I didn't ask my question – and maybe I'd have to wait for the Investor Day, but I guess I kind of want...
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Also, you – I rattled off on my tirade and I didn't – and we didn't answer your question. So Robert, what are initiatives for Dan?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No, I just – yeah, the fortunate thing, again, as I said before is I think we've got some catch-up items and a number of things that we can improve on. So the list of items is long and it is something that is part of a plan that we are working through. So as I take a look, right, we have both fleet and network simplification and optimization activities that are going on right now. Some of them have been held up by integration, but the good news is, is that we have more in the hopper coming on both network and fleet. I mentioned to you about Basic Economy. We think that, that has legs throughout our system and it's just in its infancy. We think that Premium Economy will have tremendous benefits for our international network. I mentioned to you about wide-body interior improvements, notably the 777s in terms of finally getting lie-flat and density that's appropriate. I think that as I said, we have narrow-body density opportunities as well to pursue. Don has talked a lot about the RM improvements that have been made and will continue to be made and are being felt in the results that we have today. We are just now getting started on our re-launch of our sales activity and bringing on a full force of sales reps that, quite frankly, has been lacking over the last three years as we focused on other things. We are re-designing our AAdvantage program that we think will bring a considerable benefit as well. And as we've talked in the past, we think that there is a lot of benefit coming with our cobrand card as well. The list is long. And, again, we're just getting started. And a lot of this, fortunately, benefit is going to come to American.
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Okay. Thanks.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Dan.
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
All right. Thanks, guys.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
No, go ahead. You got another question?
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Well, I was just going to say, taking what you rattled off, over the course of the cycle, these initiatives are worth what in terms – X billion dollars, $2 billion, $2.5 billion? If you can just help size it for us or, again, maybe we have to wait for the Investor Day. I'm not sure.
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Wait for the Investor Day. We haven't – outside of Basic and Premium Economy, we haven't sized it and we'll be happy to shed more light on it later this year.
Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.:
Okay. Thanks, guys.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Dan.
Operator:
And we'll now go to Brandon Oglenski with Barclays.
Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
Yes. Good morning, guys. Thanks for getting me in at the end of the call here. Sorry, there's a few overlapping today. But, Doug, I missed your opening remarks here but you've been a huge proponent that this industry has changed. We just heard you respond to Dan's question about how the industry did add capacity. We are paying up labor. Earnings and margins have come down for two years now. So if you want to be getting a better evaluation like a more stable consistent industrial company, don't we need to reduce earnings volatility? And part of that process is, obviously, managing cost inflation with price inflation or the opportunities in your market. So I don't want to come across as being un-respectful to your front line employees, which definitely work hard and deserve increases but as a manager of this business, how do we talk to a shareholder that says we need to take the costs up-front, margins need to come down now but trust us. What's the inflection point that drives that better in the future?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. Thanks, Brandon. Thanks for asking. And, again, with – I did try to address this earlier in the stuff you may have missed but I'll try again. The – I do think volatility of earnings are dramatically different than they used to be, and more importantly, the level of earnings at which we – the mean level from which you vacillate is much, much higher, and I don't – and that is different this time, and it's an enormous difference and I don't think that's been appreciated. So, but as to your volatility point, again, this is what we're doing today in terms of taking a group of our team members who was going to be, for two and a half years, paid a good bit less than their peers at other airlines, who were doing the same functions, is entirely consistent with my view that earnings are less volatile. This is getting to a level of compensation across the industry that needed to occur. And once you get to that level, I think you'll see, as you do in other mature businesses, that labor costs, certainly one, you get efficiencies over time, as good businesses do. But, two, labor costs per employee increases at rates commensurate with inflation. And I think it's what you'll see in this business. But all of us had to get to a point where we got to what, really, team members in this business deserve and none of them were there because of everything we had to do to survive. So that's what I think is happening here. It doesn't affect by any means our view about the long-term value; indeed as I said at the outset, it increases our confidence in our ability to go create that value because we can't do that without an excited and engaged team. We're making huge progress in that regard. We've got some momentum with this that has us very excited and we were concerned about our ability to maintain that momentum for the next two and a half years, while asking our team to live by a contract that they just happened to sign earlier than the rest of our team, and as a result found themselves further behind their peers than the rest of our team. So that didn't seem right to us, and that's – so when we see things that don't feel right, we correct them, we don't live by contracts we have in place, and that's what we did. And we feel extremely good about that, and it makes us feel even better about the long-term prospects.
Brandon Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.:
I appreciate that response, Doug, and Wall Street can be fickle. So hopefully this works out.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Okay. It'll work for the long term. Thanks.
Operator:
We'll pause for just a moment. We'll go first to Andrea Ahles with Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Good morning, Andrea.
Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star-Telegram:
Good morning, Doug. This question might be more for Robert. I was wondering if you could talk on the Basic Economy side. You mentioned how from a revenue standpoint, how customers are – or 50% of them are choosing main cabin over (79:41) and they're offered both. But I was wondering if you could talk more on the operations side of, how is it going for your gate agents, your flight attendants to implement this new fare that has restrictions on it for customers on the planes this past March? How has that gone so far on those 10 routes?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, thanks, Andrea. I think – look, we're benefiting from the tremendous amount of work that went in to planning. So we spent months and months prior to launch, prior to announcement, and did extensive training. And fortunately, I think our metered approach is working. And what we're seeing is that by and large, our customers understand the restrictions that are on the Basic Economy fare, and are complying with what our practice is at the gate. And so we're not seeing a lot of difficulty and really no issues to talk about. And I think that that's really evidenced by the kind of results that we're producing from an operational perspective, there hasn't been any impact to reliability, there hasn't been any impact on on-time departures. And I think what you'd hear from our in-flight crew is that they appreciate the benefit that comes with having fewer bags that are being brought on to the aircraft. So overall, I'm really pleased, but we're going to continue to take a measured approach and make sure that we're not surprised.
Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star-Telegram:
Are you concerned at all about the summer travel season when these fares are introduced, when you have fliers that maybe typically don't fly as often? Maybe this is their once-a-year sort of trip and aren't as familiar with the changes. Are you a little concerned about how that might work at the gate?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, we'll be ready for it, and I think that's the key, is making sure that we let people – making sure that people are clear on what they're purchasing and certainly making sure that our team is ready to help and assist in any way possible. And at the end of the day, again, given the loads expected and strong demand, we anticipate that this will actually make things a little bit easier on the aircraft because of fewer carry-on bags.
Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star-Telegram:
All right. Thank you.
Operator:
We'll go next to Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News:
Good morning. Hey, this might be for Derek, I'm not sure. I wanted to ask, is there a place in your fleet for the A350?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes. No, I think there is. I mean it's – but we're going to – we had a lot of wide-bodies come in. We had 787s and we had A350s coming on top of each other, so we needed to manage our delivery schedule and where our wide-bodies are. So at this point in time, yes. So we just pushed them off two years to make sure that we had a – didn't have too many wide-bodies coming to us at one point in time.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News:
Are you considering at all maybe converting those to another Airbus model?
Derek J. Kerr - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Not at this time, no.
Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News:
Okay. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks, Mary.
Operator:
Moving next to Ted Reed with TheStreet.
Ted Reed - TheStreet, Inc.:
Thank you. I have two questions about consumer perception. The first is consumer perception of the airline industry seems kind of low, and I just wonder if you made – if that was a consideration in these pay increases.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Well, look, we've been working on this for six-seven months so if you're talking about recent incidents, absolutely not. If you're – if you're asking do we think paying our team in line with our peers helps us do a better job of taking care of customers, absolutely, I absolutely believe that. But, yes, if you're asking if this is related to some high profile consumer events of recent times. Absolutely not, we've been working on this for several months.
Ted Reed - TheStreet, Inc.:
All right. Thank you. Second thing; in the case of the stroller incident, it seems from the video that a passenger assaulted a flight attendant. Are there any plans to have criminal charges against that passenger?
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
You lost us on that. But no.
Ted Reed - TheStreet, Inc.:
Any reaction to the – to the video and the way the passengers – the way that the male passenger acted?
Elise R. Eberwein - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Which video are you talking about?
Ted Reed - TheStreet, Inc.:
The stroller video with the passenger in first class seeming to assault and approach the flight attendant sort of maliciously.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Yes, Ted, we don't have any comment on that. We're – the – we've commented on the incident itself. It was – and did everything we could to make sure we apologized to the customers involved. We have an amazing team of people in American Airlines which is why we like to do the things that we do today. And they are out there doing incredible things every day. We sometimes, because of our policies and procedures, put them in difficult situations, we are going to work to make sure we minimize those, but we are really happy with the job they do. And we are focused – and very proud of the job they do. And obviously our customers – we look to provide great service to our customers in the same way by giving our team the tools they need for their jobs because all they really want to do is take care of our customers. So anyway, that's where we are on that, and nothing new to report.
Ted Reed - TheStreet, Inc.:
All right. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thanks Ted.
Operator:
Moving on to Conor Shine with The Dallas Morning News.
Conor Shine - The Dallas Morning News, Inc.:
Good morning, guys. Excuse me. My question was just on Basic Economy again. Do you guys see the commercial value of that coming more from new passengers you'd attract who might otherwise fly just (85:56) other low cost carrier? Or is it more of what it enables you to do with your standard economy fares and what you're able to charge for those with this new bucket on the low end?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
This is Don Casey. The value comes – we know that there are many customers that are willing to spend a little bit more to fly on American because of the great product that we have. And under the current distribution models in the industry, it's very difficult to display anything other than the lowest fare. So by having two different products and different product attributes, this allows customers to actually make a choice which product is right for them. And we believe there are many occasions where customers are willing to pay just a little bit more to fly on American and the great product that we have. And if all they're really interested in is just having the lowest fair, that's the only thing that's really important to them, then we have a good product for them as well.
Conor Shine - The Dallas Morning News, Inc.:
Thank you.
Operator:
We'll go next to Dawn Gilbertson with The Arizona Republic.
Dawn Gilbertson - The Arizona Republic, Inc.:
Good morning. Robert, you mentioned, or you and Don mentioned expansion of Basic Economy in May and June. Can you talk about those routes or markets?
Robert D. Isom - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
We're not – we're not naming any of those right now. But, again, Dawn, this is – this is something that eventually will be out to the entire network.
Dawn Gilbertson - The Arizona Republic, Inc.:
You're not – you won't name them and May starts next week?
Donald B. Casey - American Airlines, Inc.:
That's when they're going to get loaded, so you'll see them soon.
Dawn Gilbertson - The Arizona Republic, Inc.:
Okay. Why so secretive?
William Douglas Parker - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
There's no secrets behind it. This is the way, that we're launching and you'll see more about it as time comes.
Dawn Gilbertson - The Arizona Republic, Inc.:
Okay. Thanks.
Operator:
And that concludes the question-and-answer session. I'll turn the call back over to your speakers for any closing remarks.
Daniel E. Cravens - American Airlines Group, Inc.:
Thank you all very much for your interest. We appreciate it. And we – if you have any additional questions, investors, call Dan Cravens. Media, call our corporate communications. Thank you very much. We're done now.
Operator:
That concludes today's teleconference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect.
Executives:
Dan Cravens – Managing Director-Investor Relations Doug Parker – Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Derek Kerr – Chief Financial Officer Robert Isom – President Don Casey – Senior Vice President-Revenue Management Andrew Nocella – Senior Vice President-Network Planning Bev Goulet – Chief Integration Officer Maya Leibman – Chief Information Officer Steve Johnson – Executive Vice President-Corporate Affairs
Analysts:
Rajeev Lalwani – Morgan Stanley Duane Pfennigwerth – Evercore ISI Darryl Genovesi – UBS Hunter Keay – Wolfe Research Jamie Baker – JPMorgan Savi Syth – Raymond James Dan McKenzie – Buckingham Research Joseph DeNardi – Stifel Helane Becker – Cowen and Company David Vernon – Bernstein Andrew Didora – Bank of America Michael Linenberg – Deutsche Bank Mary Schlangenstein – Bloomberg News Susan Carey – Street Journal Andrea Ahles – Fort Worth Star-Telegram David Koenig – Associated Press Alana Wise – Reuters Edward Russell – Flightglobal
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group Fourth Quarter of 2016 Earnings Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, all participant lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And now, I would like to turn the conference to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens. Please go ahead, sir.
Dan Cravens:
Thank you and good morning everyone and welcome to the American Airlines fourth-quarter and full-year 2016 earnings conference call. We’ve got a lot of people in the room today, but on the call we’ve got Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, our President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room with us for the Q&A sessions we’ve got Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communication; Bev Goulet, our Chief Integration Officer; Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer; Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs; Don Casey, our SVP of Revenue Management; and Andrew Nocella, our SVP of Network Planning. We are going to start the call today with Doug and he will provide an overview of our fourth-quarter and 2016 results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter and provide some additional information on our guidance for the remainder of the year. Robert will then follow with commentary on our ops performance and revenue environment, and then after we hear from those comments we will open the call for analyst Q&A and lastly questions from the media. Before we begin we must state that today’s call does contain forward-looking statements including statements concerning future revenues and cost, forecast of capacity traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2016. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning such as net profit and CASM excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, and that can be found on our website at AA.com under the More About American Airlines Investor Relations section. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information that we are giving you on this call is as of today’s date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us this morning. At this point I will turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Dan. Thank you everyone for being with us. We are happy to report our results. Fourth-quarter pre-tax earnings excluding special charges were $773 million. For the full-year on that same number we produced $5.1 billion of earnings. That’s the second-best year in American Airlines history, second only to 2015. We are particularly pleased with our revenue performance. Our total revenue per ASM was up 1.3% in the fourth-quarter. That is our first year-over-year increase since the fourth-quarter of 2014, and we are the first major airline to be able to report year-over-year improvement. Now our unit cost increased more than we’d like, Derek will talk more about that. That’s certainly more than we’d like to see on a run rate basis. But that is almost entirely due to increases in our employee expenses. And as Derek will describe that growth should taper off as 2017 unfolds. And we expect additional cost savings in 2018 as we complete our integration. But look, our people deserve these compensation increases and more. They are doing an incredible job of taking care of our customers and managing through this integration. Our earnings include a $314 million accrual for profit sharing. This will be the first American Airlines profit-sharing payment since 2000. And that’s due to a program that we at American unilaterally implemented for our team in 2016 and that we are very excited about. The fact is the exceptional performance by our team is being noticed. We are honored to be named Airline of the Year by Air Transport World for 2017. That’s the first time American Airlines has won this award since 1988. We know we have a lot of work to do. Our team is excited about that fact. But we are back in consideration for being amongst the greatest airlines in the world, and that is a validation of all the work our team has done. We expect and intend to remain there. And we do not intend to wait 30 more years to win this award again. So with that said I will turn it over to Derek to give you more details, and then Robert.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning everyone. We did file our earnings release this morning and in that release we announced our fourth-quarter 2016 GAAP net profit of $289 million or $0.56 per diluted share. This compares to our fourth-quarter 2015 GAAP net profit of $3.3 billion or $5 per diluted share which included a $3 billion non-cash tax benefit resulting from the reversal of our Company’s valuation allowance on its deferred tax assets as of December 31, 2015. Excluding special charges we reported a net profit of $475 million in the fourth-quarter of 2016, or $0.92 per diluted share versus our fourth-quarter of 2015 net profit of $1.3 billion or $2 per diluted share. As Doug said, our GAAP fourth-quarter 2016 pre-tax profit was $550 million. And excluding special charges our fourth-quarter pre-tax profit was $773 million, resulting in a pre-tax margin of 7.9%. For the full-year our GAAP pre-tax income was $4.3 billion and our pre-tax income excluding special items was $5.1 billion. This equates to a 2016 pre-tax margin of 12.6%. As Doug said both the 2016 pre-tax income and margin were the second-best in Company’s history. On a full-year basis excluding special charges and a non-cash tax provision of $1.6 billion our adjusted fully diluted EPS was $9.10, down only $0.02 from 2015 which reflects a 19.1% reduction in our fully diluted average share count during the year. We are pleased to see improved revenue performance in the fourth-quarter of 2016 as total operating revenues were up 1.7% year-over-year to $9.8 billion. Passenger revenues were $8.3 billion, up 0.5% on a yield improvement of 1.8%. This was the first year-over-year increase in PRASM, yield and TRASM since the fourth-quarter of 2014. And Robert will give more detail on this in his remarks. Cargo revenues were up 1.3% to $194 million due primarily to improving yields. Other operating revenues were $1.2 billion, up 10.2% versus the same period last year due primarily to the impact of our new credit card agreements signed with Barclaycard U.S., Citi and MasterCard in July 2016. Total GAAP operating expenses for the fourth-quarter of 2016 were $9 billion, up 5.4% versus the same period last year. Fourth-quarter mainline CASM per ASM was $0.1293, up 5.7% year-over-year. Excluding special charges and fuel our mainline CASM was $0.1017, up 10.3% year-over-year, primarily driven by the salary and benefit increases provided to our team members which was worth 7 points, the introduction of our profit-sharing plan 1 point, aircraft maintenance timing 1 point and increased depreciation and amortization 1 point resulting from new aircraft and increased capital investment. Regional operating cost per ASM in the fourth-quarter was $0.196, down 0.9% from the corresponding quarter in 2015. Excluding special charges and fuel regional CASM was $0.157, a decrease of 2.5% due to the continued shift to more efficient regional jets. Consolidated CASM ex-fuel was up 8.5% for the fourth-quarter. We ended the year with approximately $8.8 billion in total available liquidity comprised of cash and investments of $6.4 billion and $2.4 billion in undrawn revolver capacity. The Company also has $638 million in restricted cash. During the quarter we completed several financing transactions. These include closing the 2016-3 Enhanced Equipment Trust Certificates with total proceeds of $814 million. We repriced our $1 billion spare parts term loan and refinanced our 2013 Citi term loan with a new $1.25 billion facility. In the fourth-quarter of 2016 the Company returned $606 million to its shareholders, including quarterly dividend payments totaling $52 million and the repurchase of $554 million of common stock for 12.2 million shares. The $2 billion share repurchase program authorized in April 2016 is now complete. During 2016 we returned $4.6 billion to our shareholders through dividends and share repurchases, bringing the total to more than $9.6 billion since our capital return program started in May 2014. That number includes $9 billion to repurchase 228.4 million shares at an average share price of $39.41 and – sorry, $646 million in dividends. Including shares repurchases, shares withheld to cover taxes associated with employee share distributions and equity awards and the cash extinguishment of convertible debt our share count has dropped by almost a third from 756.1 million at merger close in December 2013 to 507.3 million shares at the end of 2016. On January 25 the Company’s Board authorized a new $2 billion share repurchase authorization to be completed by the end of 2018, and the Company also declared a dividend of $0.10 per share to be paid on February 27 to stockholders of record as of February 13. With respect to our pension obligations, the Company is committed to being fully funded under the existing airline relief legislation. In order to be fully funded we will make an approximately $300 million contribution in the second quarter of 2017. Upon expiration of the legislation at the end of 2017 we are expected to make contributions of approximately $1.1 billion in 2018 and $850 million in 2019. Taking these planned pension contributions into consideration, our current debt levels, and to protect against the impact of an adverse economic shock, we have increased our minimum target liquidity balance by $500 million to $7 billion, a significantly stronger liquidity position than our competitors. Turning to 2017, our capacity is planned to be up approximately 1% which is consistent with our prior guidance. Domestic capacity is expected to be flat with 3% fewer departures offsetting a 3% increase in gauge, with international capacity is up 4% primarily due to the completion of the 777-200 retrofit program in the second quarter and a run rate impact of three new Pacific markets that were added in 2016. During the quarter the 1% ASM growth – or by quarter the 1% ASM growth in 2017 is approximately 2% down in the first quarter, up 1% in the second quarter and up 2% in both the third and fourth-quarter. Also consistent with prior guidance we expect year-over-year CASM, consolidated CASM excluding fuel and special items, to be up approximately 4%. We are continuing to make significant investments to close the revenue and operational gap with our competitors. These incremental investments are focused on our people, our product and our operation. The increase is made up of 2 points in salaries and benefits, 1 point in maintenance and 1 point in depreciation for our aircraft replacement program and increased non-aircraft investments. Year-over-year unit cost increases are greatest in Q1 as capacity is down by 2% and these salary increases given to our maintenance and fleet service team members are not lapped until the middle of the third quarter. So by quarter consolidated CASM excluding fuel and special items is expected to increase by 8% to 10% in the first quarter, 4% to 6% in the second quarter, 1% to 3% in the third quarter and zero to 2% in the fourth-quarter. As we talked about on the last call we are close to finalizing the majority of the integration work. Therefore, in 2017 we plan to review our cost structure and eliminate redundancies that still exist post-integration. We also expect improved asset utilization and increased productivity as a number of investments in our operations take hold. We will see the effect of these initiatives in 2018 and beyond. We expect higher fuel prices in 2017 to drive an increase in fuel expenses of approximately $1.4 billion over 2016. Based on the fuel curve as of January 24, 2017 our mainline fuel price forecast for the first quarter of 2017 is $1.66 to $1.71 per gallon. We do expect to pay $1.72 to $1.77 for the full year. Using the midpoints of the guidance we just provided along with the revenue guidance that Robert will give we expect the first-quarter pre-tax margin excluding special items to be between 3% and 5%. For 2017 capital expenditures we expect to take delivery of 57 mainline aircraft and 12 regional aircraft, resulting in total gross aircraft CapEx of approximately $4.1 billion. This is the final year of the big capital expenditures for aircraft and it reduces in 2018 and beyond. In addition, we expect to invest $1.5 billion in non-aircraft CapEx for the full year which includes continued integration work and the investments to improve our product and operations. So in conclusion, we are very pleased with the outstanding results our team produced in 2016 and look forward to another great year in 2017. I’d like to thank our 120,000 team members for all they have done in 2016 to make American the airline of the year. Thanks again for your time this morning. And I will turn it over to Robert.
Robert Isom:
Thanks, Derek. Good morning and thanks for joining us. We took tremendous strides in 2016 integrating our airline. In addition, we enhanced our network, fleet, customer service and operation. Our employees saw changes in the past year as well with the return of profit-sharing, workspace improvement, labor agreements and the rollout of in-depth customer service training programs. Many of these steps weren’t easy and I’d like to thank our more than 100,000 team members for their outstanding work throughout the year. As the integration chapter draws to a close a new chapter of innovation is opening. Following a challenging operating environment in the summer our frontline team rebounded with the fall schedule and quickly brought our operations back to the same trajectory that we saw earlier in the year. In October and November our baggage handling performance reached record levels for the new American. In addition, our November completion factor reached a record high for the Company. While December brought the typical operational challenges that come with winter weather and the increased holiday flying our operational performance still improved year-over-year across the board. As we discussed on our last call on October 1, we moved to a single flight operating system which allowed pilots and aircraft from each legacy carrier to be scheduled interchangeably. This transition has already paid dividends over the last three months as evidenced by the operational results. Moving forward, running a single flight operating system will not only improve operational results, but it will provide the opportunity to fine-tune the network to serve each market with the approximate mix of frequency – with the appropriate mix of frequency and capacity. It will also assist in recovering from irregular ops as the team and the IOC will have access to a full complement of aircraft and pilot resources to help put the operation back on schedule when things go off. We are very pleased with our revenue performance in the fourth-quarter. Our fourth-quarter passenger revenue per ASM was up two-tenth of a percent and our fourth-quarter total revenue per ASM was up 1.3%, marking the first positive result for any U.S. carrier in a year and a half and the first time for a legacy carrier in almost two years. And this is the second quarter, consecutive quarter where our unit revenue performance was materially better than the rest of the industry and our legacy competitors in particular. It’s clear that the investments that we are making in our people and our product are gaining traction in the marketplace, and based on published guidance we expect our out-performance to continue in the first quarter, as well. In spite of unfavorable holiday shifts our domestic consolidated PRASM was up three-tenth of a percent. We saw improvement broadly across all hubs with DFW and Los Angeles leading the way. The domestic business benefited from a stable pricing environment and we saw our strongest yield improvements come from flow market. Our corporate share was positive for the fourth consecutive quarter and we did see a bump in volume and yield post-election. In particular, we saw strength in banking, financials, industrials and in entertainment. Our Latin performance overall was very strong as well with PRASM up 10.2%. Although Brazil led the way, Mexico, Central America and Venezuela were all positive for the quarter. On a year-over-year basis our Brazil PRASM was up 53%. However, it still remains negative on a year over two-year basis. Our Caribbean performance continues to remain under pressure from low-cost carrier capacity additions throughout 2016 which has resulted in a weak pricing environment. The Atlantic was our worst performing international entity with PRASM down 7.7%. The main drivers of this performance are continued capacity increases specifically from low-cost carriers and negative foreign-exchange impact resulting from the strengthening U.S. dollar. American is highly exposed to the pound with half of our transatlantic capacity in the UK. The weakened pound negatively impacted UK PRASM by about 5 points. Across the Pacific PRASM was down 4.9% on capacity increases of 39% as we grow into the new services from Los Angeles to Hong Kong, Canada, Sydney and Auckland. Looking forward we continue to see positive trends overall in the forward revenue environment and expect positive year-over-year TRASM in each quarter of 2017. Regionally our domestic first-quarter PRASM is expected to continue to improve versus the fourth-quarter as the pricing environment has stabilized and competitive capacity growth has moderated. In Latin America we expect another quarter of strong year-over-year improvement while the Pacific entity is expected to decline at a similar level to the fourth-quarter. Lastly, the Atlantic region is showing modest signs of improvement due to easing comps from past terror event as well as our capacity reduction. However, it remains challenged as low-priced carriers continue to grow and the British pound remains weak. With that, we expect fourth-quarter total revenue per ASM, not passenger, but total RASM to be up 2.5% to 4.5% year-over-year. As we look beyond the first quarter we are excited about the commercial initiatives that our team has worked so hard on. We recently announced our new Basic Economy product which will begin selling in February. Basic Economy will not only allow us to offer a tailored product to all of our customers, but will help us compete more effectively with the growing number of ultra-low-cost carriers. In addition, we have begun to roll out our Premium Economy product on our widebody fleet. And when fully implemented we believe that Basic and Premium Economy combined are worth more than $1 billion in incremental revenue. In conclusion, we took great strides in 2016 to position American as the next industry leader. Our res systems and loyalty programs have been combined, our workgroups have come together and our systems have been merged to create a strong and capable airline that is now delivering positive unit revenue growth. While we have a lot of work to do we look forward to reporting on future successes. And with that I’d like to turn the call back over to the operator to start our Q&A session.
Doug Parker:
Excellent. Thank you, Derek, thank you Robert. Yes, operator, we are ready for questions, please.
Operator:
Thank you. The question-and-answer session will be conducted electronically. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Rajeev Lalwani with Morgan Stanley.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Hi, good morning. Thanks for the time.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Rajeev.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Just first question for you, can you just walk through the approach that you are taking with Basic Economy. Just color on how you’re thinking about domestic versus international, the market, the rollout timeline and so on. And then just specific benefits you are looking for in 2017 on Basic Economy?
Robert Isom:
Well, Don Casey can help me out, but the idea behind Basic Economy and Premium Economy is segmentation and getting a product and a price to customers at every stage of the demand curve. And so the game plan right now is that we are going to be really smart in terms of how we roll out Basic Economy. We are going to start with 10 different markets and that will start here in the next couple of months. And from there we plan to roll it out and to make sure that we can do it effectively at the airports and to really understand how our customers react, as well. Our hope is to have it fully rolled out over the course of 2017 and early 2018 throughout our domestic network. Right now that’s where we stand. From a Premium Economy perspective, of course that’s starting with our international fleet and with the 787-900s, and then from there we will be reconfiguring our fleet, our widebody fleet to allow that to be sold throughout the international network. So we do continue to see the demand for the product. And we think that it’s going to really help us with competition from low-cost carriers and defending our hub. Don?
Don Casey:
Yes, clearly the product features that we have are not changeable, not upgradable, reduced elite qualifying miles as well as no seat selection in our effective barriers for business customers. This is really all about tapping into the willingness to pay for existing product that’s difficult to get at given the current distribution model which just shows the lowest fare. So those product attributes we think business customers are going to be interested in paying a bit more for our product that we offer today. And as we’ve talked to our appropriate customers since we’ve made the announcement they don’t want us to distribute the basic product to them because they don’t see it as attractive. But there’s also an opportunity, we believe, to capture an increased willingness to pay for leisure customers, as well, that are buying further out. And for that we think the carry-on bag restriction or the checked bag-only policy related to the product is actually quite critical to tapping into the willingness to pay for leisure customers.
Rajeev Lalwani:
And in terms of that $1 billion of benefit that you talked about for Basic and Premium, how much is for Basic?
Doug Parker:
This is Doug. I don’t know that we have broken it out. But anyway, know that we believe the value is there, and as Robert just described given the size of the value we want to get there as quickly as we can. We also need to make sure we manage it properly. So as anxious as we are to get it in throughout the system we are not going to go in a way that we can’t manage well and our people can’t manage well. So I think as you go to model this side I would, again, if it were me I wouldn’t build a whole lot into 2017 because we are going to ramp it up, but and then hopefully we will surprise you on the upside, but know that it’s going to be there in 2018.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Okay. And then Doug, a question for you. In terms of domestic capacity you are keeping it flat this year obviously. When does that start to reverse itself and what are the metrics you are looking at to figure out whether or not to start pushing it up? It seems like the RASM trends are clearly in your favor, so just how you are thinking about it.
Andrew Nocella:
Yes, this is Andrew. It’s flat this year. As we look at the balance of international versus domestic it wouldn’t shock me if we slightly toned down international and add a little bit to domestic this year, but that’s not the current plan. We will just watch the trend. And if those trends continue I tend think you’ll see a little bit more next year given that’s where the RASM growth seems to be given the international environment capacity and demand environment right now.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Thank you, gentlemen.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Duane.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hi, thanks for taking the questions. Just on January, I know you don’t disclose monthly but can you give any sense for trends that you are seeing in South Florida and perhaps the Northeast so far in the month of January?
Doug Parker:
Is there something specific you think we should be seeing that you are asking?
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Just if there is anything off-trend specifically in South Florida as you rolled up, as you started January relative to the rest of the network.
Andrew Nocella:
This is Andrew. I think capacity in South Florida and the Caribbean is really elevated. So it is putting pressure on our Miami hub and I think all South Florida operations. That looks like it’s going to continue for the next few months or quarters at this rate.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. And then on regional capacity I just had a minor detail question. It looks like you are modestly down year-over-year as we roll through the year and you are taking some deliveries. So just wondering is that optimal or was this a function of pilot availability constraints? Can you just talk through the mix shift there?
Andrew Nocella:
I’m not sure I’d say it was optimal. We are working through our regional jet requirements and making an assessment of where we want to be for 2018. We did as you see from the stats reduced departures and grow ASMs, and we’d like that trend and we did, in fact, plan for that. As we look forward for next year I do think we will stop shrinking the regional capacity at this rate because we don’t want to cut our scheduled depth far more than we already have.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay, that’s great. Thanks for taking the questions. Out of respect for the other people on the phone I will keep it there. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Awesome, thanks, Duane.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Darryl Genovesi with UBS.
Darryl Genovesi:
Hi guys. Thanks for the time. I guess, Derek, I think you said you had some cost reduction initiatives that would help your numbers in 2018 and 2019. Can you give us a sense of what the magnitude of these things might be?
Derek Kerr:
We really haven’t gone through that process yet, so as we talked about on the last call there’s opportunities. We just haven’t been through it. When we get through all of the work we are going to do on it in 2017 we will give you some guidance going into 2018. We have given you where we think 2017 is going to be and it comes down throughout the year. But as we’ve talked about on last calls I believe the next two years can be, obviously, no more than 2% and should be we can get it below that. So we haven’t really gone through it. We are not going to peg a number at this point in time. But we will give you more as the year goes on probably at the end of the year as we go into 2018.
Darryl Genovesi:
Okay.
Doug Parker:
We understand your desire to know more. We just don’t have much to tell you at this point because we need to go do the work. We, frankly, haven’t spent a lot of time doing that just yet because it’s a ways off because we are still working through the integration. But we wouldn’t mention it if we didn’t think it was a material number, but we don’t have any idea what it is yet. And we wouldn’t want to give you a number and not have it be something we’ve given more thought to it.
Darryl Genovesi:
Okay. And then I guess if I can just ask you a little bit more about 2017 and specifically on free cash flow, Derek, you just took everything you knew today with your pension contributions that you laid out and then whatever you think is an appropriate revenue assumption for the year, would you expect to generate free cash flow this year?
Derek Kerr:
Well, we haven’t given you the full year on RASM. So I think that would give you an answer of what we think our RASM is going to be for the year. I mean – no, no. What I was going to say is we have the aircraft CapEx at $4 billion. We’ve talked about continuing to finance aircraft. We believe we will finance somewhere in the 70%, 75% of that range, so if you take that with the debt payments at $2.1 billion and the pension payment at $300 million, you can use that information to get where you are with whatever your RASM number is for the full year.
Darryl Genovesi:
And then if I could just squeak one in for Robert or Don, I think you’ve said that your Basic Economy product is going to allow you to compete more effectively with ultra low-cost carriers. But I guess I was wondering once you think Basic Economy is fully ramped up, would you expect to be putting more inventory or less inventory towards matching Spirit and Frontier and those kind of competitors down the road than you do today?
Don Casey:
From an inventory perspective, I mean both the main cabin product and the Basic product they share the same inventory. So we are always going to have both products available for our customers. But we will continue to match the ultra low-cost carrier pricing with our Basic product and the Basic product is going to exist on all of the flights that we operate in each market.
Darryl Genovesi:
Okay, thanks guys.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Doug Parker:
Hi.
Hunter Keay:
Good morning. So thanks for the – I’m going to come at one of Darryl’s questions a little bit of a different way. In terms of the cost savings opportunities, can you maybe give us some context in terms of the overall opportunity as it relates to the outlook for the next couple of years? Which do you think is a greater opportunity for you to close the margin gap or to get your margins where you want them to be, is maybe a better way of putting it, revenues or costs? Which is the greater degree of opportunity?
Doug Parker:
It’s not even close. It’s cost – it’s revenue. So you can do the analysis here, Hunter. If you look at our gap in margin versus Delta it’s more than 100% revenue, so that’s where it is. That’s the good news, by the way, because that is, one, you are starting to see it close now and we have a number of initiatives that we have to put in place that they to their credit already have in place like Basic Economy. And a number of other things that Don and Robert can talk about, but that’s where the upside is without a doubt. The leverage in this company is in revenue performance to closing the revenue gap, that’s why we are investing so much in the product and that’s why we are investing in the team because we know that’s where the leverage is. It is to close that revenue gap and that is the entirety of the margin gap, indeed it’s more than 100% of it.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. So is that regaining lost share or is that growing the wallet share from your existing customers?
Doug Parker:
Well, again, I will turn it over to the experts first who can give you more details. But know this. Some of it is just where we fly. If you have a large operation in Latin America right now, while that’s a source of the improvement year-over-year it’s also the lowest margin client in the world right now. So some of it, and you will see this from time to time in each of our airlines as we move forward, there will be certain pockets that we fly to that are producing lower margin and others just because the world economies vary. But that’s not the entirety of it by any means. I just want to point that one out. So you see some of that. But look American Airlines are not too long ago didn’t have a RASM gap to Delta Airlines. We’ve gone through a lot. And they’ve been well ahead of us in terms of getting a merger done and being ahead. So that’s where the upside is, and, again, I will let Robert and Don give you more details.
Derek Kerr:
Hunter, I think it’s a combination of both. It’s making sure we get our fair share and growing the pie too. So look, the categories that we’ve got ahead of us and now that so many of the merger constraints and integration are behind us, really exciting to go out and pursue it. As Doug said, many of these things are really things that other carriers have, frankly, had the chance to go pursue. So we are working on schedule and simplifying our design and our rollout for that and potential disruption as we move from schedule to schedule. We think that there is a lot of advantage to that. You know about Basic Economy, you know about Premium Economy. We think that there are things that can be done even further where we are with those categories in terms of rolling out quicker and potentially expanding into other regions. Long-haul interior improvements, you know we are in the final stages of the conversion of our 777-200 and having lie flat seats for all of our international widebody service. And that’s very exciting and showing a lot of results. There was density that came with that, as well. We think that there is actually additional opportunities in terms of density specifically in our narrowbody fleet that we’d like to consider that, again, would get us back to where others in the industry are. There’s work that we are doing in our sales organization, as well. I will let Andrew talk a little bit about this, and I want Don to speak to some of the revenue management issues. But, quite frankly, we have not invested in our salesforce really as we’d like and should have, and that’s had an impact over the last few years. And we are going to turn that around. So with that, Don, why don’t you talk a little bit about your arm stuff and Andrew maybe a little bit more on sales, too?
Don Casey:
Yes, just to touch, basically go back quickly to the segmentation. All the segmentation we are doing, as I mentioned earlier, is it’s just capturing willingness to pay that we are unable to capture without the discounted segmentation model. And that’s really growing the pie. We don’t have to take traffic from anyone else to be able to increase revenues. Just on the revenue management side of things we’ve been on a journey here for the last few years for reinventing how we do yield management and revenue management here at American Airlines. We already started in the summer of 2015 when we launched – got a new forecaster, but the new forecaster isn’t really just a black box that suddenly now gives a different number. We completely redid the entire workflow and process within our yield management function. And that was a very, very big change of management process. So we changed the role of the analyst, what they do, how they do it and what they focus on. It did take a while for us to bed that down and get our feet underneath us. Certainly some of the benefit that we’ve seen over the last six months is just better execution on the YM side of the business as we get better and better at the execution in our new field management process. And we’re really not done with that either. That’s really just the first step down this path. We have implemented an entirely new inventory system in October that gives us a lot more capabilities based on the new inventory system and the structure we’ve created in our forecasting model. We’ve implemented a new optimizer which, again, optimizes revenue across the network. That was done in November. And at the same time we’ve reorganized the way we use our inventories which gave us more inventories. We are selling the premium cabin in our domestic business. And we have seen quite material benefits of that, as well. But the optimizer, the new inventory system, more inventories for selling premium product, those are benefits that are going to materialize as we look forward.
Hunter Keay:
All right, thanks.
Andrew Nocella:
On the sales front, Hunter, I think as we look back over the last 12 to 18 months we undersized the salesforce, we have not enough boots on the ground to deal with the potential of corporate contracted revenue that’s out there. That’s, obviously, some of the best revenue in the pool to grab, so we are taking a close look at that. We are going to expand the salesforce. We have worked a lot of process out so we can empower the salesforce to be much more competitive out there. And we do think as we look at the number of contracts we have relative to our primary competitors we have fewer. We are going to close that gap over the next 12 months. We just brought in a new global senior salesperson, Alison Taylor, who is leading that effort. And it’s going to have a really, I think meaningful impact, over the next 12 to 18 months.
Doug Parker:
Look, Hunter, so of all that you just heard I mean everything, most everything Don talked about is not share shift but actually just doing a better job with the existing revenue base. And then what Andrew talked about, obviously, is just getting back to our natural share. It’s not trying to go steal share. We’ve gotten to a point where we have less of that traffic that Andrew talked about that we believe in airline of our size and quality should. So we are going to given all the investment we’ve made we believe it’s natural we should get that share back. Look without, anyway, I will give you my best guess. It’s 80% of the gap closure is going to be doing a better job of just managing our revenues better and 20% of it is getting back some of our natural share.
Hunter Keay:
Yes, that’s great. Begs a lot a follow-up questions, but I will leave it there. Thank you so much.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Hunter.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie Baker:
Hey. Good morning, Doug. I will let somebody else ask you about relative margins for a change. My question has to do with costs. I know that you attribute the bulk of 2017 CASM to labor. I get that. But what am trying to understand is whether all the investments in the business, investments that hopefully allow you to run as efficient an airline as Delta, are these investments currently being made or is that more of a 2018 issue? The reason I ask is that I don’t want to be too optimistic in believing that you could have the best year-on-year cost performance of any airline next year as we anniversary labor. I guess another way of asking is whether you believe you will be running the airline you want to be running by the end of this year or is there still a lot of cost wood to chop in 2018? Let me put it that way.
Doug Parker:
Can you say it again? I just want to make sure I got you right.
Jamie Baker:
All right. What’s your 2018 ex-fuel CASM forecast? Simple enough, but if you want to confuse that with revenue you can tell me that number.
Doug Parker:
Look, I think we’ve tried to answer that. Here is what we believe. And once we get through what we’ve built into our 2018 plan for expenses, we believe, I’m sorry, 2017, thanks Derek, we believe in 2017 what we have built into our 2017 expenses and therefore what you see in what Derek gave you for guidance, we believe we have everything we need to go compete.
Jamie Baker:
Okay.
Doug Parker:
So and, again, that’s the belief. Other airlines go and make other changes. We may need to adjust accordingly, of course, so caveat as we should. But this isn’t, we feel really good about once we get through 2017 we’ve got the investment in the airline we need to go run it. Look, I’ve got to tell you there’s one other thing going on, though, as you should know which is the reason we have a cost advantage that I talked about is because we still have some of our employees making less than are being paid at other airlines. That’s something that, again, we have contracts in place and things like that that you need to be thinking of that as you go forward. You should not expect that we are going to try and run our airline as we sign new contracts with a cost advantage versus those airlines because we don’t intend to. Our people are the best there are. So know that. That cost advantage no one should expect to be long-term sustainable.
Jamie Baker:
Okay, understood. I appreciate that. And the second question for Bev. Could you just outline with a little bit more granularity, and feel free to geek out if you want to, what are the relevant integration exercises that are yet to take place and what’s the approximate timing and approximate risk of each one, or associated with each one?
Bev Goulet:
Well, Jamie, you know me well enough to know that I like to geek out. But I will try to…
Jamie Baker:
We’ve known each other a while.
Bev Goulet:
Really three major projects left to get done. First of all is getting our flight attendants into a common system. Hard at work on that right now. It’s a complicated matter. We are essentially taking an LUS contract and modifying the LAA system to accommodate it. But a lot of really good work going on right now. You know, we don’t have a firm plan yet, but we are optimistic within the next 12-plus months we ought to see something there. Also putting in a state-of-the-art HR and payroll system, again a lot of work there when you consider that it covers 650,000 people or so. And then finally we don’t have our tech ops organization integrated yet. And that is a long-term process, best case probably another three to four years.
Jamie Baker:
Okay, very good. Thanks to both of you. I appreciate it. Good luck.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Jamie.
Jamie Baker:
Thanks, Doug.
Operator:
We will go next to Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Savi Syth:
Hey. Good morning. So I just wanted to ask on the cash returned to shareholder standpoint, I’m guessing we are going to get a slowdown from the last couple of years. But just wanted to maybe understand a little bit better how you think about that regarding share buyback and also dividends. I know from a dividend yield standpoint you are kind of behind some of your competitors. How do you think about those items?
Doug Parker:
Okay, we’ve got to be a little careful about what we talk about, obviously, in the future and how we plan to return – how we plan to redistribute to shareholders, but I will say this. We are happy with the dividend that we are providing shareholders at this point. As we talk to our shareholders, at least those shareholders of American Airlines today they seem more excited about share repurchase activity, the dividend activity. That, of course, could change and we will keep talking to them. So as it relates to the share repurchase, I will let Derek talk about where we are on that activity.
Derek Kerr:
I think the third and fourth quarter slowed down versus the first and second quarter as we, the two things that we did is we looked at our minimum cash levels and we’ve raised that from 6.5 to 7. So we have probably less excess cash than we have had since the beginning of the merger. So I would expect it to slow down a little bit, but that all depends on timing and where we go with things and what the forecast looks like. So I would hate to project what we are going to do during the year. We just announced the new $2 billion program, so I won’t project how quick we are going to do that. It all depends on what the outlook looks like moving forward and where we are going to end the year and we adjust it quarterly depending on how everything looks.
Doug Parker:
I will just add this. We remain bullish, that’s for sure.
Derek Kerr:
Yes.
Doug Parker:
We talked at length about the upside we think we have on the revenue side. And we continue to believe the industry in total is being undervalued just because of shareholders who are concerned that this really, the issue really hasn’t changed the way we believe it has. So we are really quite bullish. We think there’s now some – we think the industry multiples are lower than they should be and within the industry we think American has more upside than anyone else. So long as we continue to produce earnings that we expect, so long as having used those to continue to invest in the business at the level we think makes sense, which by the way we are investing more capital in this airline than has ever been invested in an airline in the history of commercial aviation and we are proud of that. We are going to be putting out a product that’s so much different than what the customers of American have seen in the past as we move forward. And we are excited about the that. But, anyway, as we continue to be able to do that to the level we need to and we still continue to have excess cash which we expect we will be returning that to our shareholders as we should, particularly at peak moments.
Savi Syth:
That’s helpful. Thanks, Doug. And if I may follow up with you are coming, gone through most of the integration process here. I think there was talk about maybe having an Analyst Day this year. Just thoughts on that, and then maybe what we should expect from it.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I think we are still working through that. It most likely we will have it later in the back half of the year, probably in the third of fourth quarter. No expectations yet. I mean we have – we’ll go through where we are at that point in time. But our plan is to have one later in the year and have a Media and Analyst Day at the same time.
Savi Syth:
Great, thank you.
Operator:
We will next to Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Dan.
Dan McKenzie:
Good morning, thanks guys. Well, leave it to me to kick a dead horse here because you guys gave a really good answer on the margin parity question. I just wonder if I can put a little finer point on it. At least as I look at it there’s about $3 billion in revenue that needs to be made up. And Doug, I appreciate your commentary. You’ve got some geographic exposure which I put at a $2 billion revenue hit. So at least as we think about today, should we think about this as a three-year catch up, a five-year plan, a four-year plan? And I guess as we look at these categories that you laid out for us this morning, do they really capture that $3 billion deficit, or are there other initiatives that need to yet be rolled out at some point?
Doug Parker:
Okay, Dan. Really hard to say how many, particularly when you are talking about the piece that is related to global economies, when they return and where those go. So as I know you appreciate hard for us to – and by the way, we are not endorsing your split between how much of that is the relative economies versus things we can do. But you can do that work and come up with whatever number you’d like. But there are certainly some related to that. Of the things that we can control, all the initiatives we’ve talked about, I think, again, you will see a lot of it start to come in 2017 but not be full run rate 2017. Certainly things like Basic Economy. By 2018 you see I don’t know, Don, I don’t want to hang you out there too far. What would you say 2017 versus 2018 – or the 2018 kind of the run rate on these type of revenue initially?
Don Casey:
Well, I mean it – it really varies by very dramatically by initiative, initiative by initiative. The big ones we have talked about, so Premium Economy or Basic Economy, reality is they’re probably going to be 20% this year and 80% next year just based on the where we are in terms of the rollout plan. Some of the things we are doing in the sales side of the business and we are doing on the revenue management side of the business we are going to get to probably I’d say about 60% to 70% of that probably in 2017, the rest of it coming in 2017.
Doug Parker:
So anyway, the short answer is yes, we believe we can close all of it. Clearly the economies may vary and we will see. And we think we can do the majority of that through 2018.
Dan McKenzie:
I appreciate the clarification. Thanks. I guess…
Doug Parker:
And, again, I probably should be clear, completing it in 2018 then really closing in more 2019.
Dan McKenzie:
Understood. Robert, I appreciate the commentary on improved ops. But what are the specific goals as you look ahead, what have been the biggest challenges? And I’m guessing that those might have been tied to the MD-80s and the 767s, and I guess just as you think about the ops, how much of an earnings tailwind do you think a better operation is going to be in 2017 versus what you experienced in 2016?
Robert Isom:
Well, if you take a look at the last few years I think we’ve had our hands full with integrating the airline. In many respects we’ve run two if not three separate systems when you think about pilots, flight attendants and the aircraft. The great news is we got our pilots and our aircraft altogether. That allows us to start making sure that we have our hubs set up and resourced appropriately. It takes a lot of complexity out of the system. Big upside for us I think is completion factor. Big upside I think is production of mis-connected customers. And then when you take a look at the rework that defaults with the off-schedule operation, I can probably talk more about this, we have a lot of investments we’ve been making in the last three years on top of integrating that are going to come to fruition in the next couple of years. So, for instance, in terms of bag mishandling I think there’s a step function improvement that we’re headed towards, not the least of which is just due to general improved operations but also technology that will help us reunite customers with mishandled bags in a much more expedited and hopefully cost-effective fashion. And so that’s going to be a benefit. I think in irregular operation, which has been really the biggest source of issue and concern with customers, it’s tough to put together two systems as opposed to one when things go off schedule. And the good news on that front is we have tools, technology both to get our aircraft and our crews and, importantly, our customers to give them choice to get back on schedule without having to wait in a line or go straight to reservations. That technology I think is all keyed up to come out this year and in 2018, and it’s going to be, again, a big step function improvement for us and something that other competitors have already done.
Dan McKenzie:
Thanks for that clarification. I appreciate it.
Robert Isom:
Thank you.
Operator:
We will go next to Joseph DeNardi with Stifel.
Joseph DeNardi:
Hey. Thank you very much. So Derek, when you guys announced your credit card agreement over the summer, you indicated that the incremental revenue from that was 100% margin. Essentially that the pre-tax income matched the revenue, in other words. So it’s clear that there is no recurring cost allocated against that revenue. If that’s the case, why shouldn’t we think of the $1.5 billion in marketing revenue you guys disclosed in the 2015 10-K as similarly a very, very high-margin revenue, say over 90%?
Doug Parker:
Okay. Hey, Joe, it’s Doug. I’m sorry, what’s…
Derek Kerr:
I think, Joe, what we had said at that point in time, you are right, because all that changed in that transaction was a higher dollar amount for each mile paid. So, in other words, the program was in place, we were getting X for what we were for those miles and that number went up and changed. So that increase was, but the base program is not all incremental and not all single margin, but that increase at that point in time was just a higher paid fee to us per mile.
Doug Parker:
[Indiscernible] $1.5 billion number he’s talking about?
Derek Kerr:
Well, we announced that it was going to be $200 million in the first year, $250 million in the first year, $500 million in the second year and $800 million in the third year. So that was the three-year combination to get to the $1.5 billion of the increase for the next year.
Joseph DeNardi:
Derek, just do so I’m clear, the $1.5 billion you guys in your 2015 10-K disclosed that marketing revenue from the credit card was $1.5 billion. That’s separate from what you announced over the summer. I guess what I’m asking is…
Doug Parker:
Thanks. That’s what I was trying to get at. Okay. So you gave a number for the 2015 K, we’re $1.5 billion. We’ve disclosed that we have indeed signed a new contract and we’ve talked you about the incremental increase. But I think you should add those two numbers and come to a total number, butit’sup to you to decide how to estimate where we are now. So anyway look, as Derek was saying the increase is entirely due to just getting a higher rate per mile for the credit card. So, of course, that will fall almost entirely to the bottom line. Now the initial $1.5 billion you’re talking about, that number is the number that we were collecting at that point in time and, of course, we have to redeem those miles. So there is some cost to that, costs we don’t disclose. But you can rightfully assume that it’s a nicely profitable business or we wouldn’t do it. So we were happy with what we were collecting before the new agreement and now we have a new agreement where we are collecting more. So those I think are facts as we can disclose them. But look, on a bigger point I just want to point out, Joe, you know we’ve noticed what you’ve written on this and look, we agree with you. This is the amount of revenues that the airlines, and particularly American, collect on our – on these marketing agreements, these credit card agreements are different kinds of cash flows than airline cash flows. They are tied to purchases on credit cards not due to airline economy. So I think you are right to suggest that investors should look, should do their best to look through and understand the level of those cash flows and the certainty of them. To which point you are going to say, well, then why don’t you give us more information? And which we will tell you we are tied to confidentiality. But let us go work on it. Let us figure out what we can do to give you more information. I think it is important to our shareholders. I think it is an area where shareholders have understood more how much of our profits and how much of our revenues are tied to things that aren’t really related to the ups and downs of the airline environment, that they would have even a better appreciation for why we are so bullish on this airline. And as we do that what you would learn, of course, is that there is none better than the American Airlines AAdvantage program and our relationship with two providers Citi and Barclays. So we agree with you. Just let us do what we can. We have to live within agreements and we can’t violate those, of course. And we won’t, but we also want to do our best to let our shareholders understand the certainty of the cash flows.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay, I will leave it there. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
We will go next to Helane Baker with Cowen and Company.
Doug Parker:
Did you say…
Helane Becker:
Thanks. Hi guys, it’s Helane Becker. I just have, okay, so first I just have one housekeeping question. I just want to understand RASM improvement, is it sequential, you are talking about the improvement for – you are talking about positive for the year, but are you also talking about sequential improvement from one quarter, two quarter and so on?
Doug Parker:
All the numbers we give are year-over-year numbers.
Derek Kerr:
Yes.
Helane Becker:
Okay, then fine. Thank you. My other question, Doug, when you think about the Atlantic and the numbers that you provided and you see the capacity growth that’s coming from especially the low-cost carriers, if you don’t grow, or if you shrink too much you cede market share and that puts you, I would think, longer term in a tougher position because your goal is, obviously, to be the best. Not necessarily the largest, but certainly the best and to want business travelers to choose American first. And I’m just trying to make sure I understand that the changes that you are talking about making aren’t going to put you in a position where yields just keep declining in that market as these new low-cost competitors come in.
Andrew Nocella:
Well, Helane, this is Andrew. I think American’s position across the Atlantic combined with our joint venture partners, particularly British Airways, is really strong. What we did in the first quarter was cull some flying that was incredibly unprofitable, so you see our ASM shrinking just a bit. But that capacity has moved to the third quarter which is a lot more lucrative for us and, obviously, the industry. So we’ve moved capacity where we think it needs to be. We don’t intend to cede our position across the Atlantic to anybody. And we are working with our JV partners to make sure we have an effective plan going forward to compete. And that is continued segmentation of the product as we talked about for the future. So we feel bullish about that. It’s definitely going to be a really tough competitive environment, particularly I think over the next year, year and a half as we see these capacity inflows. But our position is it’s good, London Heathrow is the best hub in Europe and we feel good about it.
Helane Becker:
Okay, great. Thank you. Those were two of my questions. And I will turn the mic over. Thank you.
Andrew Nocella:
Thanks, Helane.
Operator:
We will go next to David Vernon with Bernstein.
Doug Parker:
Hi, David.
David Vernon:
Hey guys, thanks for making the time. Just a question for you on the cadence of changes in the ASM forecast. Obviously, you are starting off with very good guidance on the TRASM number. If market conditions stay where they are, should we expect a pickup in the rate of ASM growth to be a little bit of a headwind on that number? Or is that not going to be as sensitive as the unit cost number?
Derek Kerr:
You mean the pickup on ASMs versus…
David Vernon:
Yes, it seems like the ASMs dip and then they accelerate to about 2.4% by the end of the year. I’m just wondering if the unit revenue growth that we should be expecting would be impacted by that changing mix at all? Obviously, I would think it’s impacting the unit cost growth a little bit. As you get more volume you are seeing a lower rate of unit increase.
Doug Parker:
We are not giving forward RASM growth. But absolutely, if you see higher growth in ASMs, all else equal you would expect to see the RASM growth decline and the CASM growth decline. That’s correct. So, again, make your own revenue forecast, but certainly capacity growth matters.
David Vernon:
Yes, I was just looking to make sure that there wasn’t something I was missing in that if there was anything specific…
Doug Parker:
No, you’re not. Okay
David Vernon:
And then as you think about the guidance on interest expense, the step-up of $90 million or so, is that anticipating additional leverage or is that just associated with some of the variable-rate debt?
Derek Kerr:
There is a little bit of increase in debt just due to the aircraft coming on. So it’s really driven by the year-over-year increase in debt is that because we took some on last year. Project debt to be up somewhere, net debt to be up or total debt to be up somewhere in the $800 million range, so just slightly up in 2017.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Didora of Bank of America.
Doug Parker:
Hi Andrew.
Andrew Didora:
Hi, good morning everyone. Just one question, one for Robert as a follow-up on Basic Economy. It’s clearly an offering that you and your competitors think will be a nice positive. Whenever I hear that I tend to question it a little bit what everybody thinks is going to be good. But I guess what do you see as the biggest risk in the product and maybe Robert what are the key metrics that you will be watching just to judge whether this product is a success or not?
Robert Isom:
The risk that I see out there is really execution. So making sure that we have our customers educated on the product and our airports and employees all set to deliver I think is the big risk. But in terms of performance we are going to be watching it on all fronts, certainly from an operations perspective. But revenue performance is what this is designed to address. And so on all levels we will be keeping an eye. Don?
Don Casey:
Obviously, the key thing is trying to figure out what the price premium can be for the main cabin product compared to Basic. And that is going to be a function of the competitive environment. And we are just going to have to figure that out as we go. Obviously, where we compete with Southwest but that does not have a bag fee we are going to have to, again, test to see what kind of premium we can get for our main cabin product versus the Basic product.
Andrew Didora:
Can you give us a sense for just in terms of that premium what the way you see demand shaping up for the Basic Economy product what you think is a reasonable revenue premium?
Don Casey:
Our pricing for the product is going to be in the marketplace in the middle of February. And so until we get the pricing in the market I don’t think we really can talk about what kind of premium we are going to see.
Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Michael Linenberg:
Hey, good morning everybody. Just two quick ones here for Derek. Derek, when we think about CapEx and debt I guess this is the year of the peak, 2017?
Derek Kerr:
Right.
Michael Linenberg:
Is that? Okay. Then just with respect to the pension, it looks like that you are either pulling some of the contributions forward? Or was there an accounting change there that’s driving you to the higher numbers?
Derek Kerr:
No, we just pulled it forward into 2017 just to make sure that we are fully funded from an airline relief act. That’s the only thing that we did. We used to have $1.4 billion in 2017, we just pulled $300 million of it forward in 2017 and left the $1.1 billion in 2018. So that’s the only change to the pension payment.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay. And then just on the pension, what was the liability at year-end and then those numbers that you threw out there for 2017 and 2018, presumably that’s still using a lower discount rate, right?
Derek Kerr:
2017 is. 2018 is not, because that’s when the relief act goes away. The liability, our total liability was $17 billion and our assets are about $10 billion.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay, so let’s call it…
Derek Kerr:
At the end of the year.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay, very good.
Derek Kerr:
That’s from a GAAP perspective.
Michael Linenberg:
Absolutely. Okay, great. Thank you.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks.
Operator:
We would like to now take our questions from media. [Operator Instructions] Our first question come from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Mary.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Hi, that was close. I had two quick questions, please. The first is when Beth was talking about the FOS for flight attendants and she mentioned a 12-month time frame. Is that 12 months to have everything in place and done, or is that 12 months to get your plan and then have to put it in place?
Bev Goulet:
Yes, Mary, I think I said 12-months plus. We are still working out the details of the plan and, obviously, the most important thing is to get it right. It’s complex, there’s a lot of change. We want to make sure we have our employees fully trained and ready to go. So we will be back to you a little bit later in terms of a firm plan.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay. Are there any numbers or figures on how much you are not getting, how much of a benefit you are not getting by continuing to run two systems or I guess how much an extra cost that is?
Robert Isom:
It’s hard to quantify it. But I will tell you what, the vast majority of the integration benefit is really with the aircraft being able to be moved around. So there is inefficiency in the system. But it’s something that really at the end of the day is more an issue that we want to get, we want to take care of for our employees, that they are able to be based where they want to in an unrestricted fashion so they have the benefit of moving around, as well. So we are trying to get it as quickly as possible but I can tell you the biggest benefit I think will be for our employees. Maya you want to…
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay.
Maya Leibman:
Just to add to what Bev said, to your question, Mary, we will have a plan with a firm date no later than the end of this quarter.
Doug Parker:
That was Maya Leibman.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Right, right. Okay, great. So you would hope to have FOS in place or have the two flight attendants all integrated by the end of 12 months after that or the end of this year?
Doug Parker:
It’s the best – we don’t – at the end of this quarter we will have a better idea of exactly.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Media Of plan. Okay. Then quickly my second question was you’ve talked a couple of times about redundancies. And I know you staffed up to take part, to take care of some parts of the integration, especially the IT issues to make sure everything went well. When you are looking at redundancies is there a possibility of us seeing some job cuts at American?
Doug Parker:
Right
Robert Isom:
Look, when we talk about redundancies we’ve hired a lot of folks here over the last few years. I think some order of magnitude almost 20,000 employees when you take into account attrition that has happened, as well. My view is that as we take a look going forward we are going to continue to have attrition within the Company. And the real benefit comes in not having to hire at such a fast pace than in the past. So the redundancies, and you take a look at how the airline is working, I really do think that it’s something that we take care of over time and are able to do in a really cooperative way with all of our employees.
Doug Parker:
This is Doug now. So thanks for asking, Mary, because we worry. It’s important that we let our shareholders know where we think our cost structure may be headed, but we care a lot more about how our team knows they are going to be treated going forward. So we get really nervous when we start talking about redundancies, and that’s why we are being very careful about what we see in the future. The last thing we want our team to think is that we have some large reduction in force coming because we are not going to do that. We are here because of our team. And to the extent we have the ability to manage the airlines, we get to one airline with fewer people, we will make sure we do that in a way that is cognizant and respectful of the people that have gotten it to here. So we will manage that through attrition and we will manage it through, perhaps, early outs. We will do all sorts of things to make sure we do it right. By no means are we going to do something that doesn’t fully respect all of those that got us to this point.
Operator:
We will go next to Susan Carey with Wall Street Journal.
Susan Carey:
Good morning, everybody. Just wanted to check on the RASM outlook. I think Robert said 1 Q RASM will be up 2.5% to 4.5%, and you will have positive year-over-year RASM every quarter of 2017. Is that correct?
Robert Isom:
That’s what we said, yes.
Susan Carey:
Okay, good. Secondly, do you guys want to say anything or – secondly, what kind of comment do you have about what Alan Joyce said overnight about you resubmitting your API with Qantas to the DOT?
Andrew Nocella:
This is Andrew. We are excited to get this resolved with the DOT. We think there is a lot of consumer benefits and we are anxious to make our case and get a fair review going forward. So we will get that going in the near future.
Susan Carey:
Well, Mr. Joyce did not say he’s going to do it. He said you may do it, and he’s going to think about it and later tell us what you are going to do. Am I misunderstanding that you actually are going forward with this?
Andrew Nocella:
I think we intend to refile.
Susan Carey:
Okay. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Susan.
Operator:
We will go next to Andrea Ahles with Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Andrea.
Andrea Ahles:
Hello, good morning. Sort of continuing on with what Susan was asking with the Qantas deal, are there other initiatives or things that you are thinking about either refiling or talking with the Trump administration now that we have a new Presidential administration in office, different policy ideas you think that you are advocating for that you think that the administration might be more receptive to than the previous one?
Doug Parker:
Sure. Well, as Andrew said we are hopeful that the Trump administration will give the Qantas JV application a second and more favorable look. We also have an industry effort underway, United and Delta and American together are advocating that the United States government take another look at the Open Skies agreement with the Gulf countries. It’s pretty well-known. A hallmark of the Trump campaign and certainly something that we’ve heard a lot about in the first few days of the administration is the President’s focus on making the world economy one in which American companies can compete better and we think our Gulf carriers campaign is very much that. So we are looking forward to having the opportunity to speak with the new administration, the new State Department, the new DOT about that campaign as well.
Andrea Ahles:
Have you had any discussions yet with the new administration?
Doug Parker:
Well, no, because the new administration, while the President is in place and very energetically starting to his administration, the rest of the agencies that are important to us haven’t been stood up yet and secretaries haven’t been confirmed.
Andrea Ahles:
All right. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Andrea.
Operator:
We’ll go next to David Koenig with the Associated Press.
Doug Parker:
Hi, David.
David Koenig:
Well, my question was really asked and answered but let me use of the floor. This is for Robert, and I wanted to follow up on one of the analysts who asked about your upcoming op challenges. So, Robert, could you please take another run at that answer? What specific investments are going to improve on time, are going to improve bag handling? How would you summarize that or explain that in terms that ordinary passengers and even a dumb reporter can understand?
Robert Isom:
Sure. So in terms of on-time performance, on-time performance is generally a function of your schedule that you produce and maintenance reliability and then how well you execute day in and day out. The investment that we’ve made in bolstering our maintenance capabilities in our hub is significant with both manpower and systems and parts which is going to pay off. In terms of better decision- making, you are aware of the Integrated Operations Center that we’ve built which is state-of-the-art. I think best in the industry, and we are going to be able to take full advantage of that now that we are integrated. So the integration and having aircraft that are fully swappable throughout the system provides backup that we really didn’t have in many places before. So I do think that we are going to have a material impact in terms of on-time performance and in terms of completion factor and those will reduce cancellation or delays and mis-connected customers. I think there are scheduling opportunities that we can take a look at to make sure that we optimize our schedule for efficiency and making sure that we have redundancies where we need them and that’s a process that we are really finally getting started in earnest, as well. So we will start with a better schedule and we will have more tools out there. Now when things do go wrong with either mishandled baggage or passengers mis-connected or disrupted because of weather or whatever, we don’t have the tools today. But fortunately we’ve invested in automation that will help us, again, reunite customers with baggage and then also getting customers back on the way. So on those fronts today we don’t have a dynamic re- accommodation tool for our customers where they can go directly to the web or mobile to be able to get on new itinerary. That’s something that we will be incrementally rolling out over the next year and a half. There are new notification tools for customers in order to let them know what’s going on with their trip and with bags that we will be rolling out over the course of the next 12 months, which is fantastic. And so whether it’s baggage, whether it’s on- time performance, whether it’s the whole overall experience we are going to be doing a better job and, again, I think most of these things are upside for us that some others in the industry already have in position.
David Koenig:
Okay. Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Thanks. David. I don’t think we’ve ever done this before, but we are running out of time. One of the things we like to do at American, at certainly the new American is same day we announce earnings we go have a big system-wide call with the all of our employees that have been calling in here but what is going on the state of the airline with live downstairs with people that are here, but also for people listening in. And that is due to start in 10 minutes. We need to get downstairs. So apologies if we are cutting anyone off. I think we have time for two more. So operator, two more please.
Operator:
Thank you. We’ll go next to Alana Wise with Reuters.
Alana Wise:
Hi, good morning, thanks so much for taking our questions. I wanted to ask quickly about American’s interest in possibly reworking the joint venture with Qantas now that Trump is in office. They told us yesterday that you currently reviewing the process of refiling the paperwork and that they have been reviewing the implications on how to cooperate on routes. So I’m just curious if this is something that American is currently looking into?
Steve Johnson:
Hi, this is Steve. One of the reporters asked that question a couple of minutes ago, and we answered it more fully. But I will just say in the interest of time, yes, we do plan…
Alana Wise:
Apologizes.
Steve Johnson:
No problem at all. We do plan to refile the application with Qantas. It probably is a few weeks down the road just for the reason that I mentioned before is that the new administration isn’t in place yet, but we are looking forward to doing that and having another opportunity to make our case.
Alana Wise:
And as a quick follow-up, I’m curious about Trump yesterday, the administration the other day saying that they are going to implement a border tax and what American thoughts on that are?
Steve Johnson:
Well, I never like to talk about politics or religion on earnings call. So I’m going to pass.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Alana Wise:
Thank you.
Operator:
Our final question will come from Edward Russell with Flightglobal.
Edward Russell:
Hi, thank you for taking my question today. What is the status of the JV with LatAm? I know that’s been pending for a while now.
Steve Johnson:
We filed that application…
Doug Parker:
This is Steve again.
Steve Johnson:
Yes, Steve Johnson, again. We filed that application sometime early in 2016. We also filed similar applications in the other countries that are relevant to the JV, most especially Chile and Brazil. The United States application is not going to be acted upon by the DOT until the Congress in Brazil ratifies the Open Skies treaty with the United States. We don’t know when that is going to occur, but you won’t see much action at the DOT until then. And then we’d expect it’s a complicated process and a pretty significant joint venture. So I would expect it would be another nine to 12 months at least after that happens before we have an answer for you.
Edward Russell:
Understood. Great, thank you so much.
Doug Parker:
Great. Thanks. Thanks everybody. Apologies if we didn’t get to your questions. Obviously, onto corporate communications and they will be happy to get you responses or if it’s investor questions call into Dan Cravens, Investor Relations. Thank you all very, very much for your interest. These are exciting times for us at American. We appreciate your interest in all that we have going on. Talk you soon. Thanks, bye.
Operator:
That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
Executives:
Dan Cravens - IR Doug Parker - Chairman and CEO Robert Isom - President Derek Kerr - CFO Elise Eberwein - EVP People and Communications Bev Goulet - Chief Integration Officer Maya Leibman - Chief Information Officer Don Casey - SVP Revenue Management
Analysts:
Joseph DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co. Hunter Keay - Wolfe Research Jamie Baker - JPMorgan Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley Mike Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Helane Becker - Cowen and Company Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI Jack Atkins - Stephens Julie Yates - Credit Suisse Dan McKenzie - Buckingham Research Darryl Genovesi - UBS Andrew Didora - Bank of America Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star Telegram Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News Edward Russell - Flightglobal Conor Shine - Dallas Morning News Ted Reed - The Street
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group Third Quarter 2016 Earnings Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, all participant lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And now, I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens. Please go ahead.
Dan Cravens:
Thanks and good morning, everyone and welcome to the American Airlines Group third quarter 2016 earnings conference call. Joining us on the call today is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Robert Isom, our President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room for our question-and-answer session is Elise Eberwein, our EVP People and Communications, Bev Goulet, our Chief Integration Officer, Maya Leibman, Chief Information Officer Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs and Don Casey, Senior Vice President of Revenue Management. As is our normal practice, we are going to start the call today with Doug and he will provide an overview of the third quarter financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter and provide some additional information on our guidance for the fourth quarter. Robert will then follow with commentary on the operational performance and revenue environment and then after we hear from these comments, we will open the call for analysts questions and lastly, questions from the media. Before we begin, we must state that today’s call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and cost, forecasts of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2016. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as net profit and CASM excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and that can be found on our website. A webcast of this call also will be archived on our website, the information that we're giving you on the call is as of today’s date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us this morning. And at this point, I would like to turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Dan. Thanks everybody for being on. Pretax earnings excluding special items of $1.5 billion that's down from last year's $1.9 million, but both by declining new revenues our total CASM was down 2.2% versus last year. And increasing unit cost driven primarily by investor synergy but while they're down our still second-best third quarter in history of American Airlines behind only the third quarter of 2015. Also because of our share repurchase activity our adjusted EPS was actually up even though earnings were down from $2.77 up to $2.80 in the quarter. So these results are due to fantastic team in American doing an amazing job for our customary. They were extremely grateful. They have done what they do. On the revenue front Rob will provide a lot more details and we're encouraged by the trends. Our CASM was down 2.2% in the third quarter, but that's better than we've seen in terms of the decline in recent quarters, as better than our competitors were experiencing. In fact the month of September CASM was actually improved year-over-year, which was the first month of year-over-year CASM improvement for American Airlines since November of 2014. Now course September was helped by the calendar on a year-over-year basis, which is why we at Americans would like to focus much on monthly revenue numbers, but the trends is good and it appears to be continuing as we'll discuss. Our unit cost grew in the quarter and Derek will provide more detail on that, but the primary driver of the unit cost increase is our decision to invest in team. We had pay increases and profit-sharing that are by far the largest drivers of the cost increase and we're pleased to be able to provide those improvements to our team members. We now reached new agreements with all of our workgroups. So the large increases are behind us. Furthermore as we complete more of our integration in 2017, we'll be able to being eliminating some of the redundancy still exist because of the two airlines and that will help us reduce expenses in 2018 and beyond. As integration we had enormous success earlier this month with the flawless integration of our flight operating system FOS. This is an extremely complicated system integration that's lead to operational disruptions of that airlines as they've gone through mergers and our team executed without a hitch. While we're doing all that, we continue to invest in our products and improve the product. We had 12 new aircrafts as part of our unprecedented fleet renewal program report. American fleet is now more than 40% younger of large network years and that gap is widening. We had 10 new destinations to our network including five acumens new service from LA to Hong Kong next monthly we'll begin daily flights to Havana and then you have position as the largest carrier to Cuba. We continue to make enormous improvements to our clubs including in this quarter, the reopening of a renovated Admirals Club in Rio de Janeiro and the refurbishment of our London Heathrow Arrivals Club, which now has 29 shower rooms and business center. So in summary, the U.S. airline industry has been transformed and American Airlines is well-positioned for success in the new world. We're producing record profits, new record profits despite a soft economic environment and we're using those profits to improve customer service through important investments in both our products and energy and we're returning the excess cash to our shareholders through share repurchases. So there is much work ahead but the American team continues to further up the challenge. We're extremely pleased with where we are and very bullish on the future of American Airlines. So now I would like to turn over to Derek, who will provide more details on the financial results and then to our recently appointed President, Robert Isom, who will discuss operating performance and revenue environment. Derek?
Derek Kerr:
Thanks Doug and good morning, everyone. We filed our 10-Q and earnings press release this morning and in that release, our third quarter 2016 GAAP net profit was $737 million or a $1.40 $1.40 per diluted share. This compares to our third quarter 2015 GAAP net profit of $1.7 billion or $2.49 per diluted share and if we exclude the special charges, we reported a net profit of $933 million in the third quarter of 2016 or $1.76 per diluted share versus the third quarter net profit of $1.9 billion in 2015 or $2.77 per diluted share. Our GAAP third quarter pretax profit was $1.2 billion, equating to a pretax margin of 11.2%. Excluding special charges, our third quarter pretax profit was $1.5 billion, which resulted in a pretax margin of 14%. Excluding the effects of special charges and the non-cash tax provision of $449 million our third quarter 2016 adjusted fully diluted EPS was $2.80 per share, compared to $2.77 in the third quarter of 2015, reflecting a 22% reduction in our fully diluted average share count during the quarter. We continue to see sequential improvement in the revenue environment during the quarter, which Robert will talk more about for the quarter. Total operating revenues were $10.6 billion down 1.1% year-over-year. Passenger revenues were $9.1 billion, down 2.2%, driven by a 0.6% decline in yields. Cargoes revenues were down 5.1% to a $171 million due primarily to a decline in international and domestic yields. Other operating revenues were $1.3 billion up 8.5% versus the same period last year due to the impact of the new credit card deal signed with Barclays U.S. City and MasterCard on July 12, 2016. Total GAAP operating expenses were $9.2 billion up 5.2% versus the same period last year. This increase was driven by investments in our people through contractual increases and the introduction of profit sharing plan, investments in our product, investment which includes our fleet as Doug talked about and investments in our operation. These investments were offset in part by lower fuel costs, our average mainline fuel price including taxes for the third quarter of 2016 was down 12.4% year-over-year to $1.46 per gallon. Third quarter mainline cost per ASM was 11.96 up 5.6% year-over-year, excluding special charges and fuel our mainline CASM was 9.32 up 8.9% year-over-year. Regional operating cost per ASM in the third quarter was 18.85, which was down 5.2% from the quarter in 2015, excluding special charges and fuel, regional CASM was 15.08, a decrease of 4.4% due to the continued shift to more efficient large regional jets. We ended the third quarter of 2016 with approximately $9.2 billion in total available liquidity comprised of cash and investments of $6.8 billion and $2.4 billion in an undrawn revolver capacity well in the excess -- well in excess of the $6.5 billion minimal liquidity we seek to maintain for this foreseeable future. The company also had 635 million classified as restricted cash during the quarter. We did generate $1.1 billion during the quarter of cash flow from operations and made $372 million in debt payments. We continue to believe it is important to retain liquidity levels higher than our network peers given our overall leverage and the fact that we have not yet completed our fleet renewal program, which will be substantially complete in 2017. During the quarter, the company took advantage of favorable market conditions and completed several financing transactions including a re-pricing of the company's 2014 term loan collateralized by our London Heathrow flights which reduced interest by 25 basis points and the issuance of $814 million EETC consisting of both AA and A tranches which priced at a blended rate of just over 3%. In the third quarter of 2016, the company returned $669 million to its shareholders including quarterly dividend payments of $53 million and the repurchase of $616 million of common stock for 18.2 million shares. Since our capital return program started in mid-2014, the company has returned $9 billion to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends. Including share repurchases, shares withheld to cover taxes associated with employee equity awards and share distributions and a cash extinguishment of convertible debt, our share count has dropped 31% from $756 million and merger closed in December 2013 to 519.2 million shares on September 30, 2016. At the end of the third quarter 2016, the company had approximately 555 million remaining on its current share repurchase authorization. Turning to our guidance for the remainder of 2016, we continue to monitor our capacity plans and in our IR update issued last week, we lowered full-year 2016 system capacity guidance by 0.5 point and are forecasting it to be up approximately 1.5%. For the fourth quarter of 2016, we expect our mainline capacity to be 57.5 billion ASMs and our regional capacity to be 7.84 billion ASMs. So our consolidated capacity will be flat year-over-year in the fourth quarter. On the cost side, we're forecasting year-over-year mainline CASM excluding special items and fuel to be up approximately 5% to 7%, while regional CASM excluding special items and fuel is projected to be down approximately 3% to 5%. For the fourth quarter of 2016, we expect our mainline CASM excluding fuel and special items to be up between 8% and 10%. This year-over-year increase is driven primarily by investment in our people of about six points, maintenance timing of two points and DNA from new aircraft and to increase CapEx of one point. Regional CASM excluding special items and fuel is expected to be down by approximately 3% to 5% in the same period. As we look forward for the first time since mid-2014, year-over-year fuel prices are expected to be higher through the remainder of the year. Based on the forward curve as of October 17, our mainline fuel price forecast for the fourth quarter of 2016 is $1.59 to $1.64 per gallon, while our regional fuel forecast for the fourth quarter is $1.65 to $1.70. Despite these higher fuel prices, we expect the full-year 2016 consolidated fuel expense to decrease by approximately $1.2 billion year-over-year. Using the midpoint of the guidance we just provided along with the revenue guidance that Robert will give, we expect our fourth quarter pretax margin excluding special items to be between 4% and 6%. For capital expenditures, we still expect total gross CapEx to be approximately $4.4 billion in 2016. We've 20 deliveries worth approximate $1.1 billion, which will occur in the fourth quarter and we expect to invest $300 million in non-aircraft CapEx in the quarter, which is $1.2 billion for the full year, which includes continued integration work and investments to improve our product and operations, some that Doug referred to in his comments. Looking out to 2017, we are taking a disciplined approach to matching our plan capacity levels with anticipated levels of demand. We're still in the process of developing our operating plan, so our formal capacity guidance will come out when we report fourth-quarter earnings, but we currently expect our year-over-year system capacity be up approximately 1% in 2017. We expect full year 2017 domestic capacity to be flat while our international capacity is expected to be up approximately 3.5%. Our international growth is driven primarily by our Pacific entity as we annualize the new routes added in 2016. We'll also know more about our 2017 unit cost projections after we complete our operating plan, but as Doug noted, we now have the bulk of our cost increases behind us. As we look to 2017, we expect the full-year impact of our labor agreements will add approximately two points of CASM, but otherwise our core CASM growth should be around 2% on a very modest 1% growth in ASMs. And as Doug also noted, with the integration nearing completion, we will be able to begin the process of eliminating some redundancies in 2017, which will help our unit costs in 2018 and beyond. So in conclusion, we couldn't be more proud of more than 100,000 team members who continue to deliver outstanding results. We continue to make great progress integrating our airlines, most recently with our flight operating system cutover and we've already seen some positive results. We are also excited about the commercial initiatives our team is working on and looking forward to reporting on their continued success on future calls. Thanks again for your time this morning and with that I'll turn it over to Robert.
Robert Isom:
Thanks Derek. Good morning to everyone. I appreciate that you're joining us. I would like to start out by thanking our 100,000 team members for their outstanding work during the quarter and I characterize this quarter as being one of operational and commercial challenges, but I would like to underscore positively that we have executed integration items exceptionally well. Despite all these challenges, our team's commitment to taking care of our customers and each other has never wavered. Some performance was challenging for both our employees and customers. The primary driver was inclement weather that seemed to settle over a number of our hubs throughout the summer, most notably Dallas or DFW. In addition we struggled to operate our expanded Los Angeles schedule reliably. primarily due to airport and facility constraints. We're working with [indiscernible] so that we will be better able to meet our customer's demands to fly American from Los Angeles going forward. I'm happy to report that our reliability has rebounded to new record levels across our system in September as a result of a number of factors and those trends have continued well into October and we expect that they will continue. Again I appreciate the efforts of our front-line team to take care of our customers throughout the summer and especially and most recently during Hurricane Matthew. We have successfully completed some major integration milestones over the past few months including a single flight operating system for our pilots dispatching aircraft and I am so appreciative of our 15,000 pilots the APA, our IT and flight teams for their efforts to ensure a seamless cutover. We've also put new uniforms on all of our employees. We have interim agreements with our fleet service and mechanic workgroups. Tentative agreements now with our flight crew training instructors and some engineers and once these tentative agreements have been ratified all American team members will be benefiting from pay increases that resulted from our merger. So much of what we're striving to accomplish going forward would be difficult to address without having the integration work completed and completed well. As I start to think about our plans for next year, there's good reason to believe that America will improve versus the industry and operations performance. We're taking a fresh look at how we schedule our aircraft reliability. Our 777 200 reconfigurations will be completed by summer 2017. Our 787 fleet has reached a critical mass allowing for easier recovery from off schedule ops and with a single flight operating system, our aircraft and pilots can now be used interchangeably instead of being managed as separate entities. We're also making big investments in service recovery and customer notification tools for passengers and employees that we'll continue to roll out next year. On the revenue front, our third quarter TRASM was down 2.2%, while the revenue environment is still challenging in certain areas of the world, we as -- we have observed improvements in many places. The third quarter was much better than the second quarter, so we continue to see improving trends. As Doug noted, in September we had positive year-over-year TRASM and PRASM and that's the first time this is has occurred since November of 2014 and we're seeing improving trends in cargo as well. September marked the first time since December 2014 that our monthly year-over-year cargo revenue has improved. Domestically consolidated PRASM was down 1.8%. This was our best result since the first quarter of 2015. We saw strength across the board with all hubs have a second derivative improvement. Los Angeles and DCA were top performers year-over-year. Internationally, we have lapped the dollar strengthening last year as well as declining international surcharges. Latin was our first entity to turn positive with PRASM up 1.8% for the quarter, driven by 25% year-over-year improvement in Brazil PRASM as capacity rationalized and the Real strengthened. In addition there was continued strength in Mexico. The Atlantic was our worst-performing international entity down 11.2%. The main drivers of performance are continued capacity increases, specifically for low-cost carriers, the devaluation of the British Pound as a result of the Brexit vote and lingering impacts from recent terrorist attacks. Across the Pacific, PRASM was down 10.5% on capacity increases of 28.7% with continued weakness in China due to excess capacity and growing into our new services from Los Angeles to Hong Kong, Haneda, Sydney and Auckland. We're pleased to see corporate passenger demand holding up, driven by our domestic entity. In the third quarter, we saw increases in both absolute revenue and revenue share and we see similar trends developing in the fourth quarter. Looking forward, we see some choppiness in the fourth quarter due to holiday shifts with September and January benefiting from traffic shifting from October and December. We expect November to be the strongest month of the quarter versus 2015. Regionally, the domestic fourth-quarter looks about the same as the third quarter due to holiday shifts. In Latin America we expect continued sequential improvement and low single-digit increase in PRASM. We expect the Pacific and Atlantic to remain challenging with low double-digit year-over-year PRASM declines And with that, we expect our fourth-quarter TRASM not PRASM, but the total TRASM to be down 1% to 3% year-over-year. We expect that our fourth quarter decline to be smaller than our third quarter decline, despite a more difficult fourth-quarter year-over-year comparison. As we look forward to 2017, we expect continued second derivative improvement in year-over-year TRASM performance and look forward to getting to positive TRASM in the first half of the year. In conclusion, it's an exciting time to be at American Airlines. We made a tremendous amount of progress over this past year with respect to integration, operational improvement and getting back on path to positive TRASM. All these important steps are critical to restoring American Airlines to its rightful industry-leading position. We have a lot of work left to do and we're confident we have the right plans, the right team in place to execute and we look forward to reporting back on future successes. And with that, I would like to turn the call back over to the operator and begin the question-and-answer session.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Joseph DeNardi with Stifel
Doug Parker:
Hey Joseph.
Joseph DeNardi:
Hey Robert just a question on the decision to cut some capacity at our fourth quarter. How much of that was planned versus related to some of the operational challenges you're having at LA and then was that decision seen as an EPS accretive action or is that just kind driven by a focus on improving RASM?
Robert Isom:
Thanks Joe I appreciate the question, but the capacity that we're planning for the fourth quarter is really a result of all plans and so there's not much that we would say is attributable to anything operationally.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay. And then was that -- was the idea to reduce capacity relative to their prior plan, just designed to improve RASM or was that seen as also beneficial to earnings, just trying to understand the pressure it put on CASM, are you expecting a better increase on the RASM side?
Robert Isom:
Look the capacity we have out there we think best meets demand and ultimately we think that's margin accretive and we think we have the right schedule out there for the flying that we can do.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay. And then Derek, you mentioned again that you're carrying some excess liquidity as you get through this CapEx bubble that wraps up next year. What's normal liquidity for you guys look like once you get through that?
Derek Kerr:
Well I think as we've said we can go down, our minimum number is going to be about 6.5. We do have some things coming up in 2018 with the pension payments, we've about $1.4 billion pension payment in '18 as we start going forward. So we need to look out all the way through that time period to make sure that we have cash levels at that point and we're very confident where we're at today and we're levels are at today. So I think we can take it down a little bit from here, but I want to make sure that we get through all of the aircraft purchases next year and then I think it gets into the -- as we said 6.5 is our minimum that we feel we can go down to and we’re significantly above that today, so we’ve opportunities to continue to return cash to our shareholders.
Doug Parker:
And just -- this is Doug, just to add on to Derek, so the minimum is I think below that. It's a target and we’d like to keep that we think is a safe amount little bit more than our competitors. That’s what we do rather than what in exchange for having some higher leverage the way we protect ourselves as making sure we have lot more cash coming. So we have total cash balances of $6.4 billion. We're higher than that now and we’re investing heavily in the airline and our people. We will continue to do so because we’re investing for the future to the extent we continue to be well above that number, that’s we consider our excess cash and we return to our shareholders.
Joseph DeNardi:
Great. Thank you.
Operator:
Next we have Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Hunter Keay:
Thanks. Good morning.
Doug Parker:
Good morning.
Hunter Keay:
Hey this is a question for Don Casey. Don, I’m going to ask you a very generic question just to get us, I want to hear you talk and so feel free to go anywhere with this, but I’ll just say can you just tell us what you saw on the domestic yield environment as the quarter progressed and may be to understand as you talked about Dallas now that we’re lapping the right amendment, what’s happening in that market and I'll leave it at that. Just talk about Dallas and overall domestic yield thanks.
Don Casey:
On the domestic front as we went through the quarter, we saw improving near term yield. So yields start to improve across the domestic business starting in August and from a RASM perspective we saw improved yearend RASM build going back to April. As for Dallas in particular, in August the last tranche of the Southwest expansion for Dallas and when we look at the Dallas performance right now, it's really in line with performance across the rest of the system.
Hunter Keay:
Good, thanks and then little more on debt Derek, Scott said you don't believe artificial debt targets. Your stock has been doing nicely, your RASM is getting better at a certain point here, people are going to start moving away from it if you're not, I think perceived to be taking a more assertive approach on your balance sheet. Again next three, six months as RASM gets better, that’s fine, but you’re running the risk of people transitioning to more quality stocks in the space if you will if you're not taking an assertive approach on debt. So, may be talk about rather than just talking about liquidity, let’s talk about debt holistically and is there any thoughts of providing making a slide that shows where you want to be on debt targets over the next, two three, four years because it works for Delta and I think it's a nice story to tell for some of the incremental long lease that might be all put off as everybody’s RASM gets better midpoint in next year. Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Hey let me start. This is Doug, so -- and then Derek can provide details, but first off I would just, frankly we don’t agree with the premise and shareholders can make their own decisions obviously based upon what we do, but our view is the best thing for our shareholders is to ensure that we have sufficient amount of liquidity to withstand any sort of downturn, but the cost of getting to or worrying about credit ratings is in a business where we're borrowing against aircraft as 3% doesn’t necessarily -- actually doesn’t seem to be that go in and of itself, doesn’t seem to be in our shareholder's best interest. So somewhat -- it somewhat surprised with shareholder with the people like you would push back on this, because we think we’re doing what’s best for our shareholders. At the end of the day, we're producing -- we are producing profits at levels this industry has never seen but consistent with what other industries do. We’re very bullish on our ability to continue doing that over time. As we do so, the first thing we do is invest back in our company. This company needs a good bit of investment. We are investing at levels that no airlines ever invested before. The aircraft monetization I talked about has now at aircraft levels that are at age levels that are well below our competitors something like around 10 years and falling for 16, 17 years and increasing for them and then investing on top of that something as Derek said $1.5 billion next year on improvements in the airline. Those are good investments and we’re excited about those and those will provide returns for our shareholders. Those are long lived assets that we're not off spending it on ancillary businesses or trying to do something we’re not, we're doing what we think is right and we feel very good about that. That investment will now return for shareholders. Once we do that then we look to make sure we've paid down any high cost that we done that. Derek and his team has done a phenomenal job of getting to while we have a larger amount of debt in the balance sheet and appear the cost that debt is low and as we look to each -- the incremental decision by the way comes down to that. We’re adding airplanes as we do this monetization. Should we use our cash balance to pay for those aircrafts or should we avail ourselves of 3% debt and we think the best thing for our shareholders is to avail ourselves of the 3% debt. That leaves us with cash balances that are in excess of the target and we think the right thing to do with that is to return it to our shareholders, but the way we protect ourselves is having a much higher liquidity balance then others. That’s the cost of it, but it’s a much, much costly thing then paying -- then not availing yourself of low cost debt and the other point I want to make is even if we did those things, even if we started paying cash per aircraft we still have higher debt. It's going to be better assets. When you have airplanes that are nine years old but somebody else with 17 years old, you're going to have higher debt because you have much better assets and they’re going to be here for a long time as are we and that’s what why we're doing this. So you're right. This is -- we believe we’re in the right spot. We’re very comfortable with our leverage. We’re very comfortable with the balance sheet and we’re doing the right thing for our shareholders.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie Baker:
Hey, good morning everybody. Doug your pretax margins at now the lowest in the business, dropping below those of United for the first time in a long time, do you expect to remain the worst in the business?
Doug Parker:
And that’s seasonal -- no is the answer, but I expect which you'll see in '17 is to do better than our competitors in terms of certainly year-over-year margins. You've seen it already in the RASM and that will continue into '17. You'll see on the cost front as Derek noted the reason the margins declined even though we’re having better RASM now of course is because our CASM is up more, that’s because we’ve gone and taken care of our people faster and gotten ourselves to a point where we have in every workgroup, less than three years since the merger we now have everyone on new pays scale that reflect the they're doing for us and that’s increased our cost but they're well below. We had to do that. We're happy we did that. Our shareholders should be happy we did that but it's behind us now. We have one of those that was done midyear which is the TWI Derek talked about so that will have a year-over-year impact, but it's in the current cost structure and beyond that we haven't seen any sort of other cost increase, certainly over and above inflationary rates in the airline. So, I think what you’ll see as we go through '17 is better revenue PRASM improvement on a year-over-year basis and better cost performance as well.
Jamie Baker:
Okay. I appreciated it and Robert I continue to purchase the absolute lowest fares that American intends to publish because I can. As I noted on Delta’s call I’m prohibited from doing so, when flying them because economy basic is rolled off. Can you give us an update on the timing and any potential earnings magnitude that you would associate with rolling out a similar ULCC matching de-contented product however you refereed to internally.
Robert Isom:
Thanks Jamie so, basically we’ve been working on for some time and we’re on track. We’re prepared to launch at the end of this year, but right now our game plan is going to be hold off on that and to go and to start to roll out in January. This comes a little bit from my operations background when avoid the holidays and disruption to our folks and so we’re on track and ready to go, but any details on that and you’re going to have until we roll out and we're not at this time making any projections on revenue performance associated with the product.
Jamie Baker:
In light of the no answer, can I just ask the inevitable question if you aggregate November, December and January on a domestic basis. will RASM be positive or negative?
Don Casey:
This is Don I will answer that.
Jamie Baker:
Hi Don.
Don Casey:
But when we looked at the entire system, so not just domestic, but look at the entire system from November through January we would expect our overall TRASM performance to be flat to slightly positive.
Jamie Baker:
Excellent, thank you everybody.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Jamie.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Rajeev Lalwani with Morgan Stanley.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Hi, thanks for the time first question just in terms of the guide for 4Q how conservative is it just given what we saw the last quarter what are you assuming on the closing side and then any other assumptions that you can share with us would be great.
Don Casey:
This is Don again when we do the forecast we try and pick the midpoint and we did that again this quarter.
Derek Kerr:
Yeah, anyway Raj, I would just point out I mean there is improvement if we had 2.2% PRASM in the third quarter and we giving you 1 to 3 in -- midpoint is to then that’s improvement, slight improvement for us but fact in the fourth quarter year-over-year comp as far as in the third quarter, year-over-year comp is always calendar and having even this same performance third quarter, fourth quarter on year-over-year basis is improvement, it’s we believe our forecast highlights an improving trends is what we’re experiencing.
Doug Parker:
At that due to the holiday shifts, specific of the Christmas holiday shift we expect the impact of that on Q4 PRASM to be one point.
Derek Kerr:
Which is moves into the first quarter.
Doug Parker:
It moves in the first quarter so, at a mid point or two absent the holiday shift there would be base business improvement point.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Great and then in terms of the capacity growth for next year can you talk about just cadence through next year and then some color on the brick down by region I think you provided some color on Asia which is looking at maybe other parts of the world and then also how did you arrive at flat and domestic grows next year with underpinning that.
Derek Kerr:
Yeah, this is Derek but I think we’re going to have to hold up on that until we get to the we’re still working through it I mean that’s our projection right now as we’re doing our plan so when we get down to the fourth quarter call we’ll give regional and cadence by quarter by as of right now, we just have a full year number and we’re working through the plan so, we just have to wait till the next quarter for that.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Okay, may be just one question and I think you talked about growing a good amount in Asia can you may be just highlight why you are growing so much there is just give some of the process and figures that we saw and that relates to that.
Derek Kerr:
The growth that you see is really as a result of additions that we made this past year. This is we take a look into the next year it’s going to be, going into the services that we’ve put that we think that our network is well suited to support those routes and our customers demand the service there for serving the region in the long run and we’re in the right phase.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Mike Linenberg:
Hi, hey good morning everybody just a couple here. On the credit card deal with the Master Card explicatively Derek I guess I miss that when the original press release came out I just, I know you had really long term relationship with Visa is there any sort of incremental benefit or with the numbers that you gave us and that was announced that also include moving over to MasterCard from Visa.
Derek Kerr:
That includes moving over to MasterCard.
Mike Linenberg:
Okay. Great and then just my second question on for Bob, Robert we talked about basic economy and rolling that out in early 2017 I guess can you talk about the international premium economy which I believe is actually rolling out this week and how long it’s going to take to ramp up across your international system and what should think about the potential revenue upside from putting this product out across your fleet and by the when do you get it fully up in running.
Derek Kerr:
For international premium economy the great news is that we’re seeing as come out of on our 787, 900 deliveries which is a fantastic news and those ramp and we’ll have critical master to start selling right now you can buy into those seats which is good news as we get to the point of being able to offer consistently next year will be able to start selling the premium economy cap.
Doug Parker:
Yeah, mike it’s a that we are doing the modifications we have to go through on all of our white body aircraft the ones that aren’t delivered with it. The one that of the biggest portion of them will start coming in '18 so, we’ll have all of those aircraft going through mod in '17. So, we will monetized those seats through probably MCE, the main cabin extra product that we have today until we get to the critical mass and then we’ll be able to put up roll out the premium economy so I think that it’s more of an '18 impact that is '17 impact due to having modify all of our white body aircraft for that product.
Don Casey:
This is Don. I just add that we’ve also we’ve to actually create the infrastructure and say but sell the fourth cabin and that’s a big IT project that’s underway right now and then we’re expected to have that completed in early next year and we’ll start selling the fourth cabin in mid February for flights beginning of April.
Mike Linenberg:
When we think about the magnitude kind of the run rate on this, this is like a [$1.750 billion] type program on its up and running is that or to might just we had of the ballpark on that.
Derek Kerr:
Mike, we’ve given those numbers hundreds of millions of dollars, I think quite comfortable to seeing that, it’s a great product for our customers in addition we see correctly why we saw this is being able to look at our partners information be doing the similar planning as we -- and getting higher RASM because of this product it helps the number of ways we excited about it’s certainly as, it’s a meaningful impact to our customers and to our revenues.
Mike Linenberg:
And I’m looking for to it for as well. Thanks Doug.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks Mike.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Helane Becker with Cowen and Company.
Helane Becker:
Thank you, operator. Hi guys thank you for the time here so, I have just a couple of questions. The first is do you have to make any changes in IT to accommodate the both the DoT issued yesterday with respect to on time performance specifically.
Derek Kerr:
Perhaps we don’t know yet -- it is not material versus all the other stuff we have IT group doing in terms of integration otherwise there maybe something that, that’s not large as…
Helane Becker:
Okay. And then my second question is when you think about your headcount I know you guys have talked about at being over stocked as you work through all the integration so as we look ahead to may be 2018 and there is I assume we’re going to reduce to -- and what’s like the normalize level we should be thinking about?
Derek Kerr:
Let’s work through and give you the numbers overtime I’m not sure we know that number yet but we know is we do indeed have, because we’re still not fully integrated number of areas around the company where we not just more people with resources that we need in all sources of areas so, we will make sure, we do it in a way that’s as quickly as we can and also in way that’s takes care about employee is really important to us so. That’s a big project for us through 2017 I wouldn’t expect it would be able to yield major cost savings in 2017 because we still to be run, we are on good part of 2017 that’s a big focus of the teams efforts to move forwards to be sure but we are indeed and -- and team to make sure we don’t get to have one airline and still have the infrastructure of two. So we work through it as we know more let you know but that it's not significantly we’ve talked about it. It's something is going to be able to yield some nice cost improvements and it should part of why our cost are where they are right now because we're running through separate airlines in a lot of areas and we'll work through that as we go through 2017.
Helane Becker:
Okay, and then just -- the other question I just had was with the Atlantic and your joint venture with BA and Iberia and the other carriers have you been able to think through what the right level of capacity has given the huge increase in capacity from what I would call low fare in other airlines on the North Atlantic this past summer and what it's likely to be next summer? Maybe too far away, but I’m sure you’re giving it some thought.
Derek Kerr:
I am going to try and then Don can chime in if I am not, but we haven't cared for a lot of our capacity of course, capacity plans based upon others. What we know is while those other carriers are having an impact what we fly is incredibly important to American Airlines and don’t have any material plans to do anything other than what we’re doing right now and plan to continue to do so. It’s a huge part of our network and important part of our network and important to our customers and the relationship with BAs, Iberia is a very important one. So as capacity comes on from others of course, yields solve and we work through those things, but I don’t expect you'll see us just decide to we're the ones that you should be looking to impaired our capacity going. Don?
Don Casey:
Yeah, I'll just add in the upcoming winter season, we’re actually reducing our capacity by 6% and so we are taking some action and those capacity reductions are focused on markets what are -- we face with structural challenges but where we have partners and we continued to maintain at capacity going forward.
Helane Becker:
Great, thank you for your help.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Helane
Operator:
And our next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey, good morning. Nice to speak with you on a Thursday for changes it’s a good format. I just wanted a follow up to actually where Joe started the conversation on capacity if we look at this year I think you started out about 3% and we’re finishing up about a 140 basis points of that. Could you quantify how much of that was due to regional supply constrains and I wonder if you would willing to get specific on Republics restructuring. What were the aircraft you expected to be flying in the original plan that went away.
Don Casey:
Yeah, Duane I think it would be hard for us to pick that out right now, but it's our reductions really result of not only a little bit due to regional supportability due to pilot concerns but also south American concerns and then adjustment throughout the system so, I think where we stand right now is what we need to be and we got the fleet and that network that’s meeting the demand we think that's out there.
Derek Kerr:
In the reduction of course we're still increasing, it's not increasing our rate but at one point in the future, we forecast we would be -- so it’s not because of aircraft numbers, it's because of utilization of aircraft and we respond to demand. So that’s really what’s going on here going for the most part. We look out a few quarters and think where we may be based on the aircraft we have and what we have comment and then as we get closer and see what’s happening with demand, we may make schedule changes and that’s what's happened here.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. I may follow up on -- I thought you had mentioned some impact from Republic previously but I can follow-up…
Don Casey:
Duane this is overall of the shortfall about a third of that comes from total regional issues some of that is of course republic, some of it is usually associated with pilots who fly it, other partner regional and our wholly owned as well.
Robert Isom:
And Joe, this is Derek, we did put in our Q that we have reached agreement with Republic on our go-forward plan which did take out about 20-25 aircrafts out of the contract and so we reach that agreement with them obviously they still have a process to go through to get out of bankruptcy but our deal moving forward has reduced aircraft in we’re in pretty good job and was in where we’re at with the republic.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay, that’s great and then Robert I wanted to ask you a question kind of old or structure versus new or structure what were some of the less than optimal aspect of getting a network plan from the other side of the house and then you having deliver that from an operational perspective and I guess more importantly what are the implications of an engineer and that in a very flattering way of an engineer and now owning both of the network plan and ops.
Don Casey:
Duane, thanks look, our company has been so focused on integration merger huge initiatives, that the adjustments that we made in terms of worst structure really design now that we’re getting past somebody of major integration milestones to start looking at how we can really optimize the running the company day-to-day and to do that we know that we got to collaborate and we all have to be focus on the same goals. And I think we gotten odd structure and fantastic people running each of the operating goods and they’re committed to doing that and so you know any difficulties we’ve had, I think we’re just going to be more well suited to collaborate, communicate and make sure that were all line going forward.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. I think you answered half of that but I appreciate the talking.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Jack Atkins with Stephens.
Jack Atkins:
Good morning. Thanks for the time so, I guess just following up on that last question for moment Robert now that your new role has the strategy at all changed with the as far as the competition with you ULCCs and your markets and then as you look at your network today are there any specific items or projects now that you are in you new role that you look to sort of undertake over the next 12 months.
Derek Kerr:
So thanks for the question. Hey look I’ve been part of this management team since the -- go so, in terms of how we go to market and strategies that we’re intending to pursue I feel like I’ve done part of those and the direction that were isn’t going to change we’re going to be incredibly competitive with all commerce especially in our Hut and so you won’t see much of a change in terms of philosophy as we go to the marketplace and compete. Yeah, in terms of going forward there is things we wanted to do, we wanted to certainly excel that one of them is running a fantastic airline one that is best in the business on all levels and that’s operational as well as revenue performance and certainly from the perspective of meeting customers’ expectations that’s going to require that we really engage all of our people in a way that we haven’t before and I do view going forward that one of the that primary point of emphasis that we’re going to make is involving all of our people and making sure that they are equipped and well trained and treated in a fashion where, they help us outperform the industry. So from there is a lot of other things that we have going on, certainly we want to make sure that we have all of our forward looking’s strategies as alliance partners our network in the best fashion but it all leads to the same place which is having the best network to best people and best product for our customers.
Jack Atkins:
Okay. Great.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Jack, its Doug that’s a great answer but also as well as much timing a little bit on the specifically on the ULCC where we said there is absolutely no change and we need we have to compete aggressively on price against here is like that and when they add place to our hub and we actually have a competitive advantage because we have so much connecting activity and the one game changer, may be a big -- but actually a certainly an improvement and how we can do that and still not, and still be as good for American Airlines is can be -- is basic economy and so that product we have in place we’ll allow us to do just that but not have the same amount of dilution we have to American Airlines. So the impact to the spirits of the frontiers will be the same. We've aggressively matched our prices, but since -- as we put that product in place it will have some attributes that some of our customers would rather don’t care the purchase or want to purchase other attributes for more and right now as we match pretty much, we’re not able to do that. So that will allow us to do what we’re doing today, continue to do what we’re doing today which as Robert says what we’re going to do, but also do it in a way that allows us to provide another more utility to our customers and give them a product in addition to the one with absolutely lowest fare.
Jack Atkins:
Okay. Great. Thank you, Doug and Robert and I guess just as a follow-up question, it seems as though with whether it's cabin segmentation or international revenue opportunities or reducing redundancies in the organization over the next couple of years there is a huge revenue and cost opportunity at American which should drive significant profitability. And I’m just curious as you guys think about how to communicate that going forward, is there going to be may be an opportunity for us get from you guys detailed financial targets long term because I think that would really help folks to understand the earnings power here.
Doug Parker:
Okay, thanks for the comment. We’ll take it under advisement I understand the value that could provide, just know that I’ve been doing this way long and I’m often reluctant to do depends on how we define the targets, but what I don’t like doing is suggesting that we can predict the future in this business. It is in incredibly volatile. It will be volatile. I think it will be profitable. I think its dramatically changed the volatility hasn’t changed. So we sometimes are less comfortable than others trying to set things like margin targets, when we know that something effect those margins are outside of our control primarily the economy in fuel prices so, I tell you this. We couldn’t feel better about American Airlines' future and its financial future and what I also will tell you that based on what we think about the future and we this were extremely bullish on the American stock which is why we continue to purchase at level we do and because as we look out targets or no targets our projections are even in the difficult economic environments have this company be a nice profitable. And it doesn’t feel like our stock reflects that. So, we we’re happy to give you that guidance and let you go set your own numbers but what we do we’re management company is make sure we’re optimizing for the long term and we’re doing all those things but we’re remiss to trying to tell you that when we had those up it looks like to us and therefore here is what we will produce because we know there is a lot of volatility and what we’re able to produce and our job is to make sure that we can manage around that volatility. We can we’re excited about that but we're to see we can give you some more guidance we have in the past about longer term but just understand that’s our concern.
Jack Atkins:
Okay, great. Thanks again for the time.
Doug Parker:
Sure.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Julie Yates with Credit Suisse.
Julie Yates:
Thanks for taking my question.
Derek Kerr:
Hi, Julie.
Julie Yates:
Derek can you talk about the opportunities on the cost side now that the integration is largely behind you we seen structural cost reduction programs a few years after the other mergers then, when do you think American could announce something similar and where more specifically or some of the opportunities.
Don Casey:
Yeah, I think as we, we talked about on the call we’re going to be going through '17 from -- we have talked about having excess headcount in certain areas just duplication of work just because we're running two different airlines. That’s the primary area that we'll work on as we move forward. As we said in the call I think we’re going to look at stuff starting in '17 and it will start to affect us in '18. So, I think what we want to do is we’re going to go through the budget in '17, we going to see where everything is and then try to work with each one of the teams to figure out how we take that over the time period into '18, but I think it’s more as we talked about in '18 issue than it is a '17 issue. Mostly in efficiencies of trying to run through different airlines, all throughout the company is not just one point, it's all throughout the company as we've tried to get ourselves where we want to be from an airline and running the best airline we can.
Julie Yates:
Okay and then just a question on capacity in Latin America you guys have obviously taken a lot of capacity and you certainly seen the benefits of that today how are you thinking about presuming growth now that entity has turned and you worried about late in capacity coming back in next year.
Robert Isom:
Hey Julie its Robert its -- its wait and see we’re pleased with that the science of growth and we’re going to hold on to that for while and see where things go.
Julie Yates:
Okay and one final one Robert, when would you expect the trends at Atlantic PRASM 2 tends to flatten out.
Derek Kerr:
We do not see it in the foreseeable future, capacity in the first quarter, industry capacity is going to be a 7% and we don’t see signs of that abating and until that abates it's going to be hard to see a positive trajectory in the Atlantic.
Julie Yates:
Okay. Thanks very much.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research.
Doug Parker:
Hello Dan.
Dan McKenzie:
Good morning guys. Thanks for squeezing me in here. I guess just to be for Robert or Don, does the revenue guide factory in the potential loss of a coach here with Alaskan and how material could that impact be if it's lost?
Robert Isom:
Revenue guidance does not and I don’t think if we didn’t change and so wouldn’t be - impact doing that…
Dan McKenzie:
Okay. And then I guess Doug or Derek my question was on debt as well. So we all know absolute debt levels are higher than they have been historically but with respect to the underlying business I wondered if you could just help investors understand the leverage metrics relative to where they have been historically may be on an American standalone basis. So leverage metrics today relative to some average over some carried of time that make sense and as you look at those metrics as you feel comfortable about those metrics is that you expect profits to continue growing faster than the debt and wondered if you could just help us understand, what are those metrics look like under your stress test.
Doug Parker:
Sure, thanks for bringing it back to because now when I said -- comfortable. What I meant was we’re comfortable where it is at this time because looking in the future what we expect to just see those metrics continue to improve and I want to suggest we comfortable keeping with there. Although will may be and but the reason we’re comfortable with them at this time is because what you say we have very good line of sight as to what our capital requirements are going forward. We have a very, we feel good about our certainly even on a very on in difficult economic times, stress testing against the recession about what our earnings would do and as we go forward. So, those that gives us comfort that we’re in a good spot right now and when things come up like 2% interest it seems to be an absolute brainer to us, the right thing to do is to take those debt on rather than using cash to pay airplanes and use that cash were appropriate. So that’s what we are comfortable about. What happens overtime I would expect and again without giving him targets and use you will see certainly that the metrics that are tied and coverage ratios for example that tie earnings to that levels you could see those better overtime, earnings better and then as their earnings get better and then debt get’s lower. We are also I should note while we are well head of everyone in terms of modernizing our fleet and it will kind of time that we gotten that done and that’s to some future and you won’t see the decade and continued to so debt get’s lower overtime and earnings continued to even to our margins center stay where they are. You will see those numbers get better that’s why we’re comfortable where we are today. And we think we are today we because of the reason I said and we have the right structure in place. We too as a insurance material lot more cash than others but we think that’s a better way to do this for our shareholders and able to pay cash 3%.
Dan McKenzie:
Thanks for the time.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Darryl Genovesi with UBS.
Darryl Genovesi:
Thanks for the time and Doug just two follow up on some of your comments around aircraft age and I know you inherited a significant majority of your order book from your predecessor but if the long term plan to maintain the same relative age advantage over your competitors you have today because I think you doing so would imply much different longer term CapEx profile then allowing if lead edge…
Doug Parker:
Yes, aircraft age is not a metric that we look at to measure versus our competitors I just point out where it is and but we don’t have goal to say we need to be below the other aircraft age but its noteworthy. But I think we will get to conversations about relative debt levels to point out how much stronger asset base is mine and the best way to communicate to point out how much younger our fleet is, it look it is a is absolutely customer advantage when you get one - new airplanes - there is no doubt and that is much better in flight product and you can tell the difference. And so we feel good about that and that you are right, the orders were in place and they’re coming and we’re taking them and but the bigger point that they trying to make here is these are if you look in the very near term, you may say 'Oh my gosh, they have always debt, these are 25 years assets and those airlines have 17 year old airplanes won't be able to have 42 year old airplanes, 25 years from now. So at some point my point is were ahead of them and suggesting they need to go spending almost not a capital very near term and but they’ll need to do something and we won’t have to at the point, the way that's worked. So anyway our goal is to make sure we have the absolute young as its nice when you are in the position but to the extent you want to look at relative debt levels, you need to look at the asset base. Our asset base is just tremendously more.
Darryl Genovesi:
Great, thanks for that. And then I guess if I just ask you on or maybe Robert or whoever wants to comment, can you just give us some sense of how your view on your Phoenix hub is evolving given your recent emphasis on Los Angeles and the existing presence in Dallas?
Robert Isom:
Thanks. Appreciate it. Phoenix hub does well for us. It serves the same purpose that we did it as over - since the start of the merger and it’s a great connecting half, it's got a growing metro area and its serving our network very well.
Darryl Genovesi:
Great, thank you.
Doug Parker:
International gateway that we -- and I’m looking to expand but they’re complimentary not…
Operator:
And our next question comes from Andrew Didora with Bank of America.
Andrew Didora:
Hi, good morning everyone. Just one question for Robert, I guess when I look at your on time performance they really start to lag both your network appear starting about six months ago or so. Is there a reason for this is anything going on with the integration that would have caused and I can imagine that it's all the LA issues that you mentioned in your prepared remarks. And I know you mentioned solid corporate share earlier but have you heard anything from your corporate customers on this performance. Thanks.
Robert Isom:
The answer in terms of corporate customers, the answer is no. We haven’t heard anything we’re performing very well as I said in my remarks with our corporate business. So in terms of the summer and the fall up, that’s really where I look at things and associated with the schedule were I think we just quite frankly we were pretty aggressive in terms of the schedule that we put out this summer, we had issues in Los Angeles, we definitely had I think in order in amount of weather issues associated with the DFW and then Chevrolet in Miami and that was problematic. So it seem like we’re in a recovery phase a lot of during the summer. As I said before we have a lot of integration tools that we didn’t have that we will in the future and that is on building airline back after disruption and making sure our customers and their baggage is taking care of. One of the things you will note though is we continued to be really strong in terms of our departing on time performance these your performance that’s something that we continued to see and I think that will translate into more competitive arrivals within 14 performance and you'll us as well that our completion factor as we move from operating two systems and really three systems in regard to our pilots down to one that we got a chance to much, much better. So I'm optimistic of where we headed and if you take a look at where we at right now schedule reductions associated with the fall season with the changes to our Los Angeles operation. We are operating back at new record levels and that should continue and again as I said before all efforts are focused on making sure that we worked together to put out a schedule in 2017 that we can operate lively and competitively with the best in business.
Andrew Didora:
Great, thank you.
Operator:
And that ends the analyst questions. We will now take the questions from media. [Operator Instructions] We'll take our next question from Andrea Ahles with Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Andrea Ahles:
Hello good morning. I would like to follow up a little bit on Helane Becker's question regarding the possibility reducing headcount and how that might be done in 2017. Are you looking at actually doing sort of any lay off reduction in force particularly headquarters where you may have overlapping function as you operate, as you go from operating two lines down into one can you give a little more color or detail on that.
Doug Parker:
Sure, absolutely not, but glad you asked. We made it sound that way. We have through pockets of the airline in different groups we will have, we have because we're running two airlines people that are -- where we have more people we elevate other one. But we will manage that over time through attrition. If it makes sense, if it's a labor group or layouts whatever works for our people to make sure we do that. We don't have any intention nor do we care to go through like you described, we'll do this in a way that works for our team.
Andrea Ahles:
All right. Thank you.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News
Mary Schlangenstein:
Hi. So I want to follow-up on Andrew's question, do you guys have some sense of the number of physicians that you're talking about that you have redundancy across your workforce.
Doug Parker:
Nothing we can talk about yet. Again this is more of a beyond 2017 initiative. We're going to do the work through 2017. We still do have two airlines to our customers we know, but we still have two fleets. So it's not integrated. While we have that going on, we can't do any of this work what we never did in 2017 to figure out where it is and as we know more, we'll let people know. The good news in this is we have regular attrition rights and we have ways to -- we let people look to retire early and we'll work through those things as it becomes an issue. Right now we're just -- the reason we mentioned it is simply because it's important to the analyst community to understand that that will be something that comes beyond 2017.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Right. So you will only consider things like early retirements, buyouts to know involuntary furloughs is what you're saying.
Doug Parker:
Yes. As we sit here today that's what I speak it's correct. Conditions can change and also I want to make this sound like some enormous number of people. So we have pockets of people throughout the organization and as I said and we will work through to make sure this works out for those who are either looking to leave or want to leave on their own as they -- as we have natural attrition with more places.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Yes.
Doug Parker:
So this is nothing about furloughs and layoffs, all about the fact that as you move from two airlines to truly one airline, we will be able to get some cost efficiencies.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Great. Thank you very much.
Operator:
Next we have Edward Russell with Flightglobal.
Edward Russell:
Hi thank you for taking my question. I wanted to ask a bit more about the premium economy roll out on the rest of the wide body fleet. You outlined target of getting it done in 2017. I wanted to with the business class roll out that ended up being delayed. How do you plan to achieve the roll out in 2017?
Robert Isom:
So Edward the premium economy is actually going to go on our A330 200 fleet, the 777-200s, 777-300s and then our 787 fleet, and as we have said 787-9s are starting now and as Don mentioned, we should have for sale in terms of a different class of service next year, but reconfigurations are going to take place over the course of the next really 18 months, 24 months. So we're not going to be ready along all those fleets until June of 2018.
Edward Russell:
Okay. Got it thank you and how many roughly, how many do you forecast the reduction in number of economies seats on these aircrafts as you make the modifications or you assume they're going to be neutral?
Robert Isom:
I think we're talking about a row generally. I think so that will vary on different aircraft types, but that should be about the way it rolls out.
Edward Russell:
About the economy, thank you very much.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Conor Shine with Dallas Morning News.
Doug Parker:
Hi Conor.
Conor Shine:
Thanks for taking the question. I was just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about the improving TRASM trend. What are the kind of the factors that are driving that improvement? Is it just the reduction in capacity growth going forward or are there other elements to that?
Doug Parker:
Don do you want to take?
Don Casey:
Sure, there are two areas that really kind of driving the growth. One is Latin American and Latin American both Brazil where we've seen 25% increase in the revenue year-over-year, Mexico is performing strongly and we got positive revenue growth in Mexico and Venezuela is contributing to overall unit revenue growth as well. Domestic business the trend there really has been positive. As I mentioned earlier, we've seen close in yields strength. We've also seen a stabilized pricing environment that's been pretty tumultuous this year but as of late July I can even doubt that when we look at the domestic business from O&D perspective we're seeing kind of the best and strongest yield performance in connecting in oil markets and domestic business which ties a little bit back my earlier comments on pricing. And also we're seeing the benefits now of the credit card deal that we did in the second quarter as well.
Conor Shine:
Good. Thank you.
Operator:
Our last question comes from Ted Reed with The Street.
Ted Reed:
Thank you. I just had a couple questions about Latin America, some just answered, but are these gains in Latin America are they sustainable? How much of an edge did they give you over your competitors with less presence in Latin America and also when are you going to be able to make money in Cuba and will this be a factor in improving PRASM in Latin America or will it be will be less valuable there.
Don Casey:
This is Don again, when we look at the trends in Latin America, we would expect Brazil is a big factor obviously in the overall result and we're expecting our performance in Brazil in the fourth quarter to be better materially better than the performance in the third quarter. So we think our performance in Latin America overall is going to continue to get that. Now for Cuba, I think everything is struggling a little bit in terms of selling in Cuba, there are a lot of restrictions that are still in place that made it difficult to sell. Right now we're seeing greatest strength in terms of forward-booking in the Havana markets where we've had our long presence with our charter operation. But I think Cuba is going to be a bit of a long road I think.
Doug Parker:
We're in for the long haul. It's not something we didn't expect. This is really a new market and so at any rate we're excited to be the largest carrier there. We're committed to Cuba and making it work and we'll work through the startup to get into the point where eventually where we all expect we'll be. Excited about the start of Havana on November 30.
Ted Reed:
All right. Quickly most I assume the vast majority of sales are in the U.S. in Miami.
Doug Parker:
Yes they are.
Ted Reed:
All right. Thank you.
Operator:
And that concludes today's question-and-answer session. At this time I will turn the conference back over to Mr. Dan Cravens for any additional or closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
This is Doug. Thanks everybody. Again look the story to this from my perspective listening to all this is you know is the team when we did this merger less than three years ago the biggest questions we get on this call was concerns about our ability to manage the integration and I couldn’t be more pleased with the work the team has done to get through flawlessly things like PSS and this is now five. So the delays here has helped us has managed us as a full team effort which is why it's so hard. It takes cross functional work when people are trying to actually do their full jobs there. So we're elided that that concern we've been able to take off your list of concerns and that's important but what is more important about is it shows what a great team we have here and the things we can do and now with much of that work behind not all of it but much of it behind us, we are extremely excited about everything that we have going on particularly the investments we are making in our people and our product that will accrue to our customers and the upside that provides us but we're in this for the long-term, we're excited about the long term and we appreciate your support thanks.
Operator:
And that concludes today's presentation. We thank you all for your participation and you may now disconnect.
Executives:
Dan Cravens - Managing Director, Investor Relations Doug Parker - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Scott Kirby - President Derek Kerr - Chief Financial Officer Robert Isom - Chief Operating Officer Bev Goulet - Chief Integration Officer Maya Leibman - Chief Information Officer Steve Johnson - Executive Vice President, Corporate Affairs
Analysts:
Mike Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley Helane Becker - Cowen & Company Hunter Keay - Wolfe Research Jamie Baker - JPMorgan Dan McKenzie - Buckingham Research Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore Julie Yates - Credit Suisse Darryl Genovesi - UBS Savi Syth - Raymond James Joseph DeNardi - Stifel Jack Atkins - Stephens Susan Carey - Wall Street Journal Jeffrey Dastin - Reuters Edward Russell - Flightglobal Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News Ted Reed - The Street
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group Second Quarter 2016 Earnings Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] And now, I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens. Please go ahead, sir.
Dan Cravens:
Thanks, Ashley and good morning, everyone and welcome to the American Airlines Group second quarter 2016 earnings conference call. On the call with us this morning is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Scott Kirby, our President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room for the question-and-answer session is Robert Isom, our Chief Operating Officer; Bev Goulet, our Chief Integration Officer; and Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer as well as Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs. As is our normal practice, we are going to start the call today with Doug and he will provide an overview of our second quarter financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter and provide some additional information on our guidance for the remainder of the year. Scott will then follow with commentary on the revenue environment and our operational performance. And then after we hear from these comments, we will open the call for analysts Q&A and lastly, questions from the media. Before we begin, we must state that today’s call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and cost, forecasts of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2016. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as net profit and CASM excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and that can be found on our website. A webcast of this call also will be archived on the website and the information that we are giving you on the call is as of today’s date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks, again for joining us this morning. And at this point, I will turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Dan. Thanks everybody for being on. Happy to report our earnings today, $1.6 billion pre-tax earnings, excluding special charges, that’s the second best in our company’s history. It’s worst over the last year, which was the best. Last year, we made $1.9 billion on similar terms. I am not particularly happy about that, but that is revenue driven. Scott will talk more about that and the trends there. On an EPS basis though, adjusted EPS, adjusted to the fact that we are booking taxes this year and didn’t last year. You will see that our earnings were actually – EPS, adjusted EPS was actually up 7% even though the pre-tax earnings were down and that’s due to our share repurchase activity, which Derek will talk more about. So, all-in-all, really great results for the team. They are the result of great work by a phenomenal team. We got 100,000 hardworking people in American Airlines. They are out there doing an amazing job of taking care of our customers and we are extremely appreciative. So with that said, I will turn it over to Derek and then Scott to give you some more details.
Derek Kerr:
Alright. Thanks, Doug and good morning everybody. As is our normal process, we did file our 10-Q and earnings press release this morning. And in that release, our second quarter 2016 GAAP net profit was $950 million or $1.68 per diluted share. This compares to our 2015 GAAP net profit of $1.7 billion or $2.41 per diluted share. Excluding special charges, we reported a net profit of $1 billion or $1.77 per diluted share versus the second quarter of 2015 net profit of $1.9 billion or $2.62 per diluted share. As we talked about on our last two earnings calls, the company did reversed the val allowance on its deferred tax assets as of December 31, 2015. As a result, in 2016, the company is recognizing a provision for income tax that is substantially non-cash due to its utilization of NOLs. On a year-over-year basis, quarterly net profit in 2016 will not be comparable to net profit in 2015. Accordingly, we believe pre-tax profit and pre-tax profit excluding net special items is a better measure for evaluating year-over-year performance than net income. On that basis, our second quarter net tax or pre-tax profit was $1.5 billion, equating to a pre-tax margin of 14.4% on a GAAP basis. Excluding special charges, our pre-tax profit was $1.6 billion, which resulted in a pre-tax margin of 15.4%. And as Doug said, both of these measures are the second best, second quarter pre-tax margin in company history. Excluding the effect of special items and the non-cash tax provision of $541 million, our second quarter 2016 adjusted fully diluted EPS was $2.81 per share, up 7.3% as compared to second quarter 2015, reflecting a 20% reduction in our fully diluted average share count. Total capacity for the second quarter of 2016 was 70.8 billion ASMs, up 1.9% from the second quarter with mainline up 1.2% and regional capacity up 8%. Our second quarter 2016 revenue is impacted by a competitive capacity growth, continued global macroeconomic softness and foreign currency weakness. For the quarter, total operating revenues were $10.4 billion, down 4.3% year-over-year. Passenger revenues were $9 billion, down 4.4% driven by 5.3% yield – lower yields. Cargo revenues were down 10.4% to $174 million due primarily to a 12.7% decline in yields on international freight. Other operating revenues were $1.2 billion, down 2.1% versus the same period last year. On July 12, we did announce a new credit card agreement with Barclays card U.S., Citi and MasterCard. This agreement extends and deepens American’s relationship with its existing credit card providers and is expected to generate $200 million in pre-tax income, incremental pre-tax income in the second half of 2016. It’s about $100 million each quarter, $550 million in 2017 and $800 million in 2018 with modest increases in later years of the agreement. Most of the increases will be reflected in other revenue. Total GAAP operating expenses were $8.6 billion, down 3.3% versus the same period last year due primarily to a $530 million decrease in consolidated fuel expense. Our average mainline fuel price, including taxes for the second quarter of 2016, was down 25.5% year-over-year to $1.41 per gallon. Second quarter mainline CASM was 11.32 cents, down 4.6% year-over-year due primarily due to the lower fuel costs. Excluding special items and fuel, our mainline cost per ASM was 9.12 cents, up 4% year-over-year. This increase was primarily due to contractual labor rate increases for our customer service and res agents, and the introduction of our profit sharing plan. This rate increases were offset in part mainly by maintenance timing and lower selling expenses. Regional operating cost per ASM in the second quarter was 18.78 cents, down 9.8% from 2015. Excluding special items and fuel, regional CASM has decreased by 4.6%. We ended the second quarter with approximately $9.5 billion in total available liquidity comprised with cash and investment of $7.1 billion and $2.4 billion in undrawn revolver capacity. The company also had $460 million classified as restricted cash. This is a reduction of $51 million since the last quarter. And during the second quarter, we generated $2.2 billion in cash flow from operations and paid $1.9 billion in debt. During the quarter, the company completed several efficient financing transactions, including the issuance of a new $1 billion 7-year term loan secured by the company’s mainline spare parts and $844 million in JFK special facility bonds. In addition, the company issued $829 million, 2016-2 EETC consisting of AA and A tranches, which was then augmented in early July with an additional $227 million B tranche, resulted in a total deal of $1.06 billion with a blended rate of 3.5%. In the second quarter, the company returned more than $1.7 billion to its shareholders, including quarterly dividend payments of $58 million and a repurchase of $1.7 billion of common stock or 50.2 million shares. Since our capital return program started in mid-2014, the company has returned approximately $8.4 billion to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends. Including share repurchases, shares withheld to cover taxes associated with employee equity awards and share distributions and the cash extinguishment of convertible debt, our share count has dropped 29% from 756.1 million at merger close in December 2013 to 537.1 million shares on June 30, 2016. At the end of the second quarter, the company had approximately $1.2 billion remaining on its current share repurchase authorization. Our liquidity of $9.5 billion at the end of second quarter was up slightly as compared to $9.4 billion at the end of the first quarter and remains well in excess of the $6.5 billion minimum liquidity we seek to maintain for the foreseeable future. As we discussed on our first quarter 2016 earnings conference call, we believe it is important to retain liquidity levels, higher than our network peers given our overall leverage from the fact that we have not yet completed our fleet renewal program. In regard to our fleet renewal program, when we merged in 2013, both airlines had widebody fleet replacement plans that overlapped in 2017 and ‘18. As referenced in our earnings release, in order to spread out the widebody replacement orders and our future aircraft CapEx requirements, we announced today that on July 18, we modified our purchase agreement with Airbus for 22 A350 XWB aircraft. Under this amended agreement, we will now receive our first A350 in late 2018. The deliveries are as follows; two in late ‘18 and five each from 2019 to 2022. This change reduces aircraft CapEx and PDPs by approximately $500 million in ‘17 and approximately $700 million in ‘18 and provides us with capacity flexibility. As we discussed on our last earnings call, in evaluating our leverage we look at metrics such as net debt to EBITDAR as our fleet replacement program begins to normalize and with the deferral of our A350 aircraft deliveries. Going forward, our peak capital spending for aircraft will occur in 2016 and decline going forward. As we see it today, we expect our total net debt to follow the same path, peaking in 2016 and improving each year thereafter. Turning to our 2016 guidance, we continue to monitor our capacity plans and in our IR update issued two weeks ago, we lowered full year system capacity guidance by a half point and are forecasting it to be up approximately 2%, both from a domestic and international capacity, they will both be up around 2%. So, mainline capacity will be $64.1 billion in the third and $58 billion in the fourth and regional capacity $8.19 billion in the third and $7.9 billion in the fourth. Year-over-year CASM excluding special items and fuel will be up approximately 4% to 6% and regional capacity is expected to be up approximately – or down excuse me, approximately 3% to 5%. While fuel prices have risen since the beginning of the year, we continue to expect to see significant savings in – on a year-over-year basis. Based on the forward curves as of yesterday, we expect to pay between $1.39 and $1.44 per gallon in 2016. In the third quarter, we expect $1.45 to $1.50, fourth quarter, $1.48 to $1.53. Regional, we expect third quarter $1.51 to $1.56 and in the fourth quarter, $1.54 to $1.59. Based on these prices, we expect 2016 consolidated fuel expense to decrease by approximately $1.3 billion year-over-year. Using the midpoints of guidance we just provided along with the revenue guidance that Scott will give, we expect the third quarter pre-tax margin excluding special items to be between 12% and 14%. For capital expenditures, we still expect total gross aircraft CapEx to be approximately $4.4 billion in ‘16 with approximately $803 million occurring in the third quarter and we still expect non-aircraft CapEx to be $1.2 billion for the year. In conclusion, thanks to the efforts of our more than 100,000 team members, they again delivered strong quarterly results. While we still have a lot of work to do to fully complete our integration, we are excited about the commercial initiatives our team has implemented as well as those they are working on and look forward to reporting on our continued success on future calls. Thanks again for your time this morning. And I will turn it over to Scott will to talk about the revenue.
Scott Kirby:
Thanks Derek. Let’s start but talking a little bit about our operational performance and then turn to the revenue environment. American’s operational performance for the first half of 2016 has been strong. On a year-over-year basis for the first half of the year, all performance metrics improved for both mainline and regional operations, especially D-zero, which was up 3.3 points for mainline and 10.3 points for regional and our mishandled bag rate which has been reduced by 24%. Of course summer thunderstorms and high load factors bring incremental challenges for our team, but the people of American Airlines are continuing to do a great job taking care of our customers and improving the operation month-in and month-out. On the revenue front, 2Q PRASM came in at the high end of our forecast. And while it’s still a challenging revenue environment, 2Q is better or less bad than 1Q, so we have at least started to see some second derivative improvement in PRASM. Domestically, consolidated PRASM was down 5%. We saw the strongest year-over-year performance in Phoenix, followed by DFW as our second best performing year-over-year hub. Internationally, as we are beginning to overlap the dollar strengthening last year, the impact of the stronger U.S. dollar and declining international fuel surcharges getting smaller and drove a 0.6% decline in PRASM. The Atlantic was once again our best performing international region despite the high levels of capacity growth, with PRASM down 6%. Across the Pacific, PRASM was down 15% on 21% ASM growth with continued weakness in both Japan and China, but good PRASM results in Hong Kong and Korea. Latin PRASM was down 10%, but we saw a particular strength in Mexico and Argentina and an improving trend in Brazil. Looking forward, we expect the third quarter to continue showing modest second derivative improvement in year-over-year PRASM. Regionally, we expect the Pacific and Atlantic to remain challenging with double-digit year-over-year PRASM declines. But domestically and in Latin America, we expect continued improvement relative to the second quarter, which will result in low single-digits PRASM declines in both entities. We see particular strength in Mexico and it appears that capacity cuts are finally starting to catch up to the declining demand in Brazil. Also, we will begin benefiting from the new credit card deals that most of that revenue will show up in other revenue. With that, we expect our total RASM – not passenger, but total RASM to be down 3.5% to 5.5% year-over-year with about 1 point of that coming from the new credit card deals. And going forward, we plan to continue guiding to total revenue – to total RASM. While we don’t really have enough bookings or data to have a forecast that’s any more reliable in the analyst community, as we look to 4Q and beyond, we expect to see continued second derivative improvement in the year-over-year total RASM performance and we are looking forward to getting back to growing RASM. We’re also excited with our plans to introduce basic economy towards the end of this year and premium economy at some point in 2017. We believe that product segmentation is a transformative change in how we segment the product to give all of our customers choice in what they prefer, whether it’s more inclusive product bundle or just the bare bones, low price. Also as Derek mentioned, we also lowered our capacity guidance for the back half of the year, which is really just a normal and natural reaction to a decline in year-over-year PRASM and higher fuel environment. In conclusion, we still dislike negative RASM, but we feel good about the path that we are on to get back to RASM growth. We continue making gradual improvements in our core results. Our new credit card deal will add significantly to revenues over the next few years and we have some big opportunities ahead of us with product segmentation. When you put it altogether, we feel very good about the foundation that we are building for the long-term, which will enable us to run the world’s best operation and drive higher revenues.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Derek. Thank you, Scott. Operator, we are ready for questions.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We will take our first question from Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Mike Linenberg:
Yes, hey. Actually I think Derek, you may have called this out just competitive capacity growth is being an issue on the revenue performance, where did you see – like where was that most egregious, like which markets and maybe it’s more domestic and maybe this is actually more a question for Scott to answer, I know you did call it out, Derek, which of your domestic markets may be have seen the most degree just sort of conditions from a competitive capacity growth perspective? Thanks.
Derek Kerr:
Well, look there is lots of capacity growth everywhere, it’s not just domestically, lot of capacity growth across the Atlantic and Pacific in particular, lot of capacity growth actually in the Caribbean and Mexico. The one place, internationally, at least, where we finally started to see capacity start to right-size to – well, I don’t know right-size the right term, start to at least adjust to the demand environment is South America, where Brazil actual saw declining capacity and we continue to see declining capacity going forward. Domestically, I mean, it’s mostly across the board. We still see higher growth in Dallas out of Love Field. The good news for us is that, that growth as we get to September, we will overlap the last phase of Southwest growth. And so at least the head to head competitive environment for us relative to where it has been will improve in September, but really there has been a lot of growth everywhere. Los Angeles has been a high growth market, but I don’t think other than Dallas, I would single out any particular market for high growth. It’s been across the board.
Mike Linenberg:
Right. Just a quick follow-up to Derek, on the NOLs now, I mean, now you are booking taxes, but at what point – do you have an estimate when you believe you will be paying cash taxes? And I guess I would just presume that just based on current profitability trends, our cash taxes going to become a real thing and maybe what, 2018, 2019, any thoughts on that?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, we are thinking right now, 2019 or 2020, but it just depends on also aircraft purchases and other things like that. So, I think we are looking at more ‘19 to ‘20 for cash taxes.
Mike Linenberg:
Great. Thanks a lot, guys.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Mike.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Rajeev Lalwani with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Thanks for the time. Scott, just a question for you. We have heard a lot from other airlines as far as pressure is on closing yields and that sort of thing. What are you seeing there, just thoughts going forward? That’s the first one.
Scott Kirby:
Okay. So, I guess we are seeing something a little different. You know all of our competitors said it. Closing yields are still down year-over-year, they are still negative, but we certainly haven’t seen another like down. Actually, I would have said probably quite really optically that things look marginally less bad for us on closing yields. But some of that is probably because we do I think have a little bit of a different competitive environment on a year-over-year basis. We have had some huge headwinds from a competitive perspective. Dallas Love Field is one of those big headwinds domestically that drove a lot of capacity growth in our market. And now we are starting to overlap that. And so we have what would be a more normal comparison with the rest of the industry looking forward. And so that probably means that we are seeing something perhaps it’s a little different than our competitors on a year-over-year basis. Secondly, we have had on a year-over-year basis, while we still probably have the most exposure to ultra low-cost carriers of any airline. They aren’t going in our markets anymore at least to a large degree. And so we have less of that incremental pressure and they are adding capacity in other places. And when they do that causes closing yields to decline in those markets. But we have already had that and we are overlapping now on a year-over-year basis, where they are effectively flat in our markets. And then third, we have been less involved in some of the pricing, I don’t think is the right word, pricing issues going on between airlines. We have been involved on the periphery, but some others have been more involved in lowering fares in each others markets than we have and so we have probably benefited from not being quite as involved in that.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Right, thanks. Doug, if I could ask you a quick question. As it relates to buybacks, you have obviously been pretty aggressive. Why not be even more aggressive where maybe taking the company private or something like that just given your confidence in the model?
Doug Parker:
Well, I think we are being adequately aggressive and properly aggressive. Our view, as we stated many times is after we go through and make sure we are investing in all the right things, our people, the airline, our customers paying off high cost debts, the question then becomes of the cash we continue to generate in excess of that, what should we do with it. And certainly, given our view of the future that we described and where the market has the stock right now, it appears to us that the best use of that cash is to buyback our shares and we are doing so, I think in a reasonably aggressive way, but that’s the current plan.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Helane Becker with Cowen & Company.
Helane Becker:
Thanks, operator. Hi, guys. Thanks for the time here. I just have a question about headcount. Do you think that there are extra people still on board – I guess that’s a bad way to phrase it relative to the merger and the consolidation? And do you think that as you look out another couple of years that number starts to increase at a slower rate?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. Helane, I would say the answer to that is yes. Our number one job is to get through the merger and complete the merger. So, there are areas where we do have extra headcount to make sure that we get the operation running right, to make sure that we complete the integration. So yes, I believe over time, we will pull it back and become more efficient, but I think right now we are doing the right things to make sure that we get everything running right and get the integration done. So, I think over time, it will come down, but over the next few years as we look forward.
Helane Becker:
Okay. And then just another process question, I couldn’t find it in the 10-Q real quickly this morning, but the intangibles from the balance sheet declined, did you have to make any adjustments for slots at Newark or anywhere else?
Scott Kirby:
Yes, we did, but it wasn’t very big. It was in the $20 million range for us, but it was very small from the Newark perspective. But we did make an adjustment and wrote those down to zero.
Helane Becker:
Okay, great. Thank you for your help.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Helane.
Operator:
Our next question is from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Hunter Keay:
Hey, guys. Good morning.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Hunter.
Hunter Keay:
So I think, Scott, you said in the past that you guys expect to have the best margins in the industry amongst the legacy airline peers and that’s probably looking a little bit less likely now. So if we would sort of like start here and pick one financial-oriented metric that you want American to lead the pack kind of the next 12 months from today, what would it be?
Scott Kirby:
Well, look, I still want us to have the highest pre-tax margins amongst the network carriers. I still think we will get there. And I think we are on a good path. We took a step back from, well, a few big things that disproportionately impacted American and these kinds of things are cyclical and they will eventually come back. But you look at Venezuela first, which had RASM that was four times our system average and the country fell apart. And you had Brazil which was 80% something above system average and the country fell apart. Those were massive, massive headwinds that drove 3 to 4 points, just those two issues, 3 to 4 points of system PRASM and 3 to 4 points of margin decline. So, the hell we had to overcome to get back on those things was bigger, because those big macro exogenous events disproportionately impacted American. That said, it feels like we are – those things are about to be in the rearview mirror. Brazil is no longer a negative. Venezuela is still a big negative. It’s still – RASM is going to be down 35% this coming quarter again, but it’s coming off a much smaller base. And so now you are something that we call out as a system level impact, because it’s coming off a smaller base. So, we have had some really big headwinds between that Dallas Love Field growth and those headwinds are now in the rearview mirror and we have a more normalized, at least on a year-over-year basis comparison to the rest of the industry. And I think you are starting to already see our – as we look out our RASM results start to reflect that. We have also been at least one hand tied behind our backs in the last few years as you get through integration and you have all your resources, you have systems locked down that even when you know you want to make changes you can’t, because during the middle of converting the systems and our hands are getting untied now. We still have some of that work left to do but there is more coming. We would have had basic economy and premium economy, which I have said I think I will be disappointed if they are not $1 billion a year. We have those done by now if we hadn’t been in the middle of integration, but we have been in the middle of integration and we have had to get through that. So, I think we are going to continue to knock those kinds of and many other smaller projects out along the way and that we are on a good path we get our credit card deal done. Others get theirs done ahead of time, we get ours done. So I feel really good about the path that we are on and ultimately our goal is to have the highest pre-tax margins amongst the network carriers.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. So, you mentioned some of the ULCC competitive headwind shifting, do you feel vindicated, I mean I guess what you said here is, what we have learned is that it pays to kind of go nuclear when this stuff happens, so do you feel vindicated that this is happening now or do you – now that this is sort of settling down, do you feel like, well, maybe there could have been like a little bit more of a tactical way to do this without setting the house on fire, but we had to destroy the village to save it type thing or is there any like lessons learned that you can extrapolate going forward about how to compete maybe more tactically or do you have no regrets?
Scott Kirby:
I don’t agree with any of the commentary about nuclear, house on fire, any of that...
Hunter Keay:
Fine, whatever you want to declare?
Scott Kirby:
I think that there was absolutely no choice, but to compete and to match pricing of nonstop competitors, so just absolutely no choice. And it’s not a matter of vindicated or any other of those words. It’s what you have to do. And it’s what we have done and it’s the right strategy.
Hunter Keay:
Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Hunter.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Jamie Baker:
Hey everybody.
Doug Parker:
Hi Jamie.
Jamie Baker:
I am trying to figure out a way to avoid using the term nuclear in my question now, but bazooka versus rifle or something like that. But listen Scott, you have avoided fuel hedging in the past, believing that fuel prices and passenger demand would broadly move in conjunction with one another, if you look at current revenue and GDP trends though, that time held relationship had decoupled for the first time since the financial crisis or the advent of the Internet and by the way, fuel and capacity have been volatile in the past, yet the revenue to GDP relationship was broadly unaffected, so I have two questions, first, what explains the disconnect, is it secular or self-inflicted and two, if the relationship is decoupling and continues to do so, then your primary argument against fuel hedging is no longer valid thoughts?
Scott Kirby:
Okay. So I will try on both of those. First, I think there still is a relationship between fuel price and revenues. It comes with the lag. I have historically said four months to six months, one of our competitors said nine months. It does come with a lag. And I think revenues will be higher in the fourth quarter than it otherwise would have been if fuel was lower. Now fuel prices, whatever it was yesterday, $47 a barrel, while it took a very brief spike down to $35 a barrel, I doubt capacity ever adjusted all the way down to $35 a barrel and you saw earnings improve dramatically as a result. So I am not sure what the right comparison is if it was $35 a barrel or $47 a barrel where people were planning capacity from, but I think there still is a link. Second, I think there has been another structural change in the industry. And that has been in particular the growth of ultra low-cost carriers that was a structural change, a structural change that required a structural response. The structural response is twofold. It’s one, to compete with them, which we are doing. And the second one is product segmentation. It has been a structural change in the industry, where 20 years ago we segmented customer demand based on fare rules. And if you are a business traveler, you are – the higher the fares, the low fares, which were designed for leisure customers, required a Saturday night stay, you had to buy 21 days in advance and that didn’t work for business travelers. That kind of segmentation doesn’t work in today’s world anymore. And so we have to change the model. And changing the model is going to product segmentation, which is what basic economy and premium economy are all about. Now, I wish we could have done that by snapping our fingers like we could make a change in the fare filing and these ultra low-cost carriers grew that we could have immediately affected that change, but we couldn’t. And so we had to compete first and then we will get to segmentation starting with basic economy later this year and premium economy next year. And I think that’s going to address the secular change from ultra low-cost carriers. But we have taken a leg down because of that and I think we will recover once we get those things in effect. As to the fuel hedging question, there is two reasons to not hedge fuel and actually I would have said the tie to revenues is maybe the second one. The biggest reason to not hedged fuel is because it’s of rigged game that’s impossible to be. Fuel prices, most of the time, are trading at contango. So while fuel is $47 a barrel today, if we try to buy fuel for a year from now, its well north of that. In addition, we all realize the risk that you take if you just do countless callers. And so what most people do and the prudent view is that you should buy the options. So if you want to buy an option for a fuel a year from now, Q – you are going to pay an $8 to $10 option premium. So fuel prices have to go up varies on times depending on how big the contango is and how high volatility is, but in the 30% to 50% range just to breakeven. And when you are playing a game that you have to have oil go up 30% to 50% to breakeven, it’s impossible to win in the long-term. You can be days that you win, but it can be months that you win, but it is impossible to win in the long-term.
Jamie Baker:
Okay, I appreciate the input on both parts of the question. I will turn the mic over to somebody else. Take care gentlemen.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Jamie.
Jamie Baker:
Thanks Doug. Thanks Scott.
Operator:
Next, we will take Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research. Please go ahead.
Dan McKenzie:
Hey. Good morning. Thanks guys.
Doug Parker:
Hi Dan.
Dan McKenzie:
Hey Scott, British Airways, they cut their earnings outlook following the Brexit vote and I am wondering if you can talk a little bit more about what Brexit might or might not mean for American as we look ahead. And then separately, I am wondering what you can share about BA’s willingness to work with you to optimize the transatlantic flying as we look ahead?
Scott Kirby:
So first on Brexit, I think in the near-term and I will define near-term as being until the UK actually leaves the EU. So 2-plus years, depending on when they trigger Article 50. There is sort of I think of it as three effects. One is the currency effect, which is a pretty clear negative. Actually we look that currency by currency, what has the biggest year-over-year impact, it’s been the Brazilian real for a long time, it’s now the UK pound because of the decline in currencies. And by the way, we generated about 4% of our revenues are sold in British pound. So currency decline is negative. The second point is that it will happen over the near to medium-term, the indirect direct impact, I actually think will be positive. When I say direct impact, I mean the number of people having to fly back and forth across the North Atlantic, particularly business customers as there is a lot more consultants, lawyers, bankers that are likely to be flying back and forth, figuring out what the heck this means and what are we going to do. The third and most concerning thing that will be – that has the potential to be negative is in the near to medium-term, is if it creates business confidence problems. We have seen historically, that when there is business confidence, one of the first things businesses do is cut travel and entertainment budget. That’s not something that would uniquely affect the UK or the EU, it will be a more broader impact. I was gratified to see that while the market fall for two days after the Brexit vote, it has bounced back and that’s usually a pretty good indicator of confidence or highly correlated with confidence. And so I think it’s unlikely that we are going to see a big change of confidence. So all of which means, I think or the next few years at least, there is not going to be much impact from Brexit when you sort of do those three items. Don’t have tons of data, we have a months worth of data so far and our booked revenues have improved in the month since Brexit happened, at least relative to where they were before. So hard to see any evidence that it’s a big problem. Longer term, the issue is going to be obviously what happens with the UK economy, what happens with the banking industry in particular because that is a big component of revenue across the transatlantic and what happens from a regulatory framework. But near-term, I don’t anticipate an awful lot of issues.
Dan McKenzie:
Comprehensive answer. Thanks. Derek...
Doug Parker:
Thanks Dan.
Dan McKenzie:
The board asked also. Well, I appreciate it. Derek, the reduced CapEx and cash tax perspective addresses key investor concerns that I have been getting, just given the net debt coming down, does that also mean gross adjusted debt will start coming down in 2017. And then as you think about the longer term leverage targets say, 3 years out, what could that look like?
Derek Kerr:
Well, I think that if we look at CapEx, we talked about it being at $4.4 billion this year, goes down to $4 billion next year and then down to $2.1 billion, $2.5 billion, $2.5 billion. So the significant reduction in the CapEx will help all those leverage ratios out. So I think those will be benefited as well going out throughout the year. So, I think all of our metrics from a leverage basis get better as we go through ‘17, ‘18, ‘19, ‘20 as the aircraft CapEx gets reduced over that time period.
Dan McKenzie:
Okay. Thanks, guys.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Dan.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore. Please go ahead.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey, thanks for the time. Scott, I wonder if you could put a finer point on RASM expectations for Europe or the UK specifically. What are you expecting in terms of year-to-year change in RASM to the UK in the September quarter versus say the second quarter?
Scott Kirby:
Well, look, Europe is probably the only region in the world that I think is going to get sequentially worse from the second quarter to the third quarter. Specifically, it will be about the same on RASM, domestic and Latin, as I said in my opening comments, going to get better. We do expect Europe to get worse, although it’s really core Europe more than it is the UK. Europe has several almost, I guess, three strikes against it looking forward. It’s, one, there is more economic uncertainty. It’s not just from Brexit, there is more economic uncertainty and it’s a challenging economic environment in Europe, so the macro is not good. You got accelerating capacity growth across the Atlantic. So, it’s a second strike for Europe. And third is currency. So, the one impact of Brexit that actually is identifiable negative is currency weakness. So, those three things, I mean, that’s the one region of the world that we think is actually going to sequentially get worse in the third quarter, but it’s really not a UK issue, it’s actually more core Europe than it is UK from our perspective.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Appreciate that. You wouldn’t care to put a finer point on it of how much you expect RASM to be down next quarter?
Scott Kirby:
Well, I said double-digits in my opening comments and I am not going to put a finer point on it than that.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. And then the comments on Latin are really interesting, maybe you could help us put some context around Brazil. Could you remind us how much your capacity is down 3Q versus 2Q and what the shape of RASM you are expecting? So for example, we have heard some others that maybe long-haul international to Brazil went from like down 35 to down 25, which is sequential improvement, but it’s still pretty weak for you, your capacity cuts are much greater than that, so maybe revenues or maybe RASM is still sort of flattish. Any help you can give us there will be appreciated?
Scott Kirby:
Yes, we have cut capacity – I don’t know 3Q or just 2Q, we started cutting capacity in 2015 and we could see these results clearly deteriorating. We were surprised actually in 2015. I think, every carrier that flies from Brazil to the United States not only increased capacity, but increased capacity by double-digits, except for American Airlines. So, I think we are probably down 35% to 40% from where we were back in ‘14 today. But in the second quarter for the first time, we actually saw industry capacity come down. It’s going to come down even more in the third and fourth quarter. And as a result, Brazil, which was running down kind of 35%, in the second quarter RASM was down 13%, in the third quarter, we expect it to be positive. Now, we are getting a boost in the third quarter from the Olympics. So, I wouldn’t necessarily expect the fourth quarter to remain positive. Although our guess is right now that the fourth quarter will remain positive. There has just been an awful lot of capacity come out and you just got to such a low level, I mean, the RASM will still be down. I don’t know the number, 40%, 50% from where it was at the peak even if it turns positive in the third and fourth quarter, but it’s certainly – it feels like it’s not getting worse anymore. It’s not really on – it’s coming off a low base. It’s not really on a rapid recovery, but it does feel like it’s not getting worse anymore.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thank you for that. So, maybe RASM positive on capacity down double-digits for you?
Scott Kirby:
I don’t know what our capacity is right now. As I look at it on our overall longer time horizon, over a longer time horizon, we are down probably close to 40%, but I don’t know what it is 3Q versus 2Q.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay, thank you for the detailed answers. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Doug Parker:
Thanks.
Operator:
Next, we will take Julie Yates with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Julie.
Julie Yates:
Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Derek, one for you on the CapEx decline in 2017 and 2018 starts to free up some free cash flow, what are your priorities, are there additional opportunities to prepay debt, and is this meant to help with the pension funding requirement coming in 2019?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, two things. One it will be we are going to use cash to complete the integration and continue to do all the projects that we are – we have got on the list as Scott talked about, basic economy, premium economy, cash will definitely go to that first. As we look at pension requirements, our first pension requirement payment is in ‘19. We have a small requirement in ‘18, but the biggest requirement is in ‘19. We do have the possibility to do that early on the pensions in ‘18 if we want to get 80% funded in the ‘18 timeframe. So, that’s a possibility to do, but it’s not required to do our requirement is in ‘19 to do that. So, I think the biggest uses are going to be making sure that we have enough CapEx. We have $1.2 billion this year in CapEx. We expect that to maintain, if not grow a little bit in ‘17 and ‘18 just due to all the projects and the backup demand that’s there for everybody. So, I think that’s where we will more likely go than any early pension payments, the requirement and the pensions in ‘19.
Julie Yates:
Okay, very helpful. And then Scott, one for you, from the last year, we have seen the weakness from competitive actions is really contained. How much do you worry about that when you observe what’s going on in other markets with the other airlines that you mentioned?
Scott Kirby:
Well, look, it’s a really competitive environment and it’s still a yield in RASM, negative environment across the board. So, we are impacted by that. I think we get better at competing in that environment. The more experience we get with it, we work – learn things that work, learn things that we can do better, but the biggest thing we can do really is the structural response. And I know on these calls we typically focused on what’s going to happen in the next quarter or the next three weeks and have a pretty short-term focus on it. But the biggest thing we can do is get the product segmentation right, not just for investors, but for our customers, where we can give customers what they are looking for, whether they want a really cheap barebones low price or whether they want a product that has more amenities and is a higher quality product. And it’s taking us time to get that done, but that’s really the right structural response. So, we feel pretty good about where we are. We think that we are on a continuing trajectory and we expected to have a positive trajectory to get back to positive PRASM that happened this quarter and we expect it happen in the second quarter and expect it in the third quarter. And we think we are going to continue on that trend. So, we wish it was PRASM was positive today. We wish we had a benign competitive environment, but we have what we have and we think we are making good progress.
Derek Kerr:
And Julie, this is Derek. Just one follow-up to that question. From a debt – non-aircraft debt payments, next year, it’s only $100 million for us. Year after that, it’s only $600 million. We do have an unsecured bond in ‘18 and we will – if there is any opportunities to prepay any high cost debt, which we have done a significant amount of and we will do at any point we can, we will use that cash to prepay any of that. We don’t have any planned in ‘17 and ‘18, but if we find things that we can prepay early, we will use any cash to do that in ‘17 and ‘18.
Julie Yates:
Okay, great. And then, Scott…
Doug Parker:
It’s only because we have a lot of our employees who listen into these calls and you mentioned that pension, I just want to make sure I explain to everybody kind of what’s going on there. The issue is you may or may not be doing that Julie. I mean, we are fully funded per some airline pension funding rules and more funded in that regard than our competitors on the pensions. We, at American, are required because of the way these – because of the fact, frankly, the American didn’t file a bankruptcy and Delta Northwest did or Delta United did, we are required to move off that funding plan and two other funding plans sooner than they are. And as Derek said, I think that’s ‘18 or ‘19 for us. So, that will require us to move up to a higher level at that time. We could do it today if we wanted to. This is not a funding issue. It will never be a funding issue. It’s just what’s the right time to pay debt amortizations, and this is – so we will pay that when – we will fund at that as we are required to. We are fully funded now higher than our competitors and will be funded at a rate higher than them when we do this. But we don’t think – none of us think it’s in the best interest of the company to go fund it in advance or to be over-funded on something that doesn’t have a return. So we will keep doing until that we are well aware that it’s not an issue whatsoever and it’s fully manageable, it can be funded now.
Julie Yates:
Okay. Thanks Doug. And then just one last one for you Scott, on corporate, it’s been a pretty big topic on some of the other calls and you guys haven’t mentioned it, what – can you give us an update on what trends you are seeing from a corporate perspective?
Scott Kirby:
Well, they continue as they have been. We had corporate demand up and we continue to win share. I think corporate revenue was down 1% for us in the quarter, so obviously it’s outperforming the rest of the system. But I think it’s much like it has been. Corporate demand is strong, but we have a lot of low fares in the markets, so we are getting the deal right now.
Julie Yates:
Got it. Thanks so much.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Darryl Genovesi with UBS.
Darryl Genovesi:
Hi guys. Thanks for the time. Maybe I would like to follow-up on Jamie’s question Scott, with regard to some of the secular trends that were perhaps one of the thing you would called out, the growth of low cost carriers, but one of the things that I have been thinking a little bit harder about more recently is that we have also seen a lot of frequency acceleration here over the last few years and I am just wondering if maybe you thought perhaps, the quality of the schedule having deteriorated a bit could have also driven some of the decoupling that we have seen in that historical relationship between airline revenue and GDP and just any thoughts around that?
Scott Kirby:
I don’t think so. I mean one of the things that is a close analog to that probably is every airline has increased density on aircraft. And so we have done it, but all of our competitors have as well. And at least as with regard to RASM, that we typically think of those extra seats is coming in at 50% of system RASM. And so we put another 12 seats on the 737-800s that, that 12 seats is 6% of capacity, it means that all those flights come in, the RASM is 3% lower than it otherwise would have been, they are profit positive. But I think that is – that is probably a change that has driven lower RASM, at least across the industry, it has a corresponding benefit on the cost side of course, that would drive lower RASM. But we still have high quality schedules for business travelers. And I don’t think business travelers are flying less because maybe you have 14 flights a day in a market instead of 15 flights a day, I don’t think you are really losing any business. But people are resigned to stay home because of that.
Darryl Genovesi:
Okay. And then you had also mentioned that you thought the Olympics were going to be a positive, down in Brazil, I remember 2 years ago when we had the World Cup down don’t there, you saw some very close-in revenue deterioration, bookings deterioration, which I think was related to hotel availability, do you think that, that’s likely going to be an issue again this time?
Scott Kirby:
Well, usually, the Olympics, World Cups, conventions are a negative for revenues, because business travelers just stay away, because they can’t get hotels and worry about the crowds and some business travel dries up. We have seen that in all other Olympics. We have seen that in the World Cup. In this case, Brazil is so bad that there is no business traffic or close to no business traffic. As of this year, I think there will be a positive just because Brazil has fallen so much before. 2 years ago, I would have thought the Olympics would be a negative and it would have been 2 years ago. But today, because things have fallen so much, they are going to actually be a positive.
Darryl Genovesi:
Great. And then if I could squeeze one last one, I just like a point of clarification for Derek. Derek I think you said CapEx was coming down by $500 million in ‘17 and $700 million in ’18, is that just aircraft CapEx or is that total CapEx and I think you said there was also an offset on the non-aircraft one?
Derek Kerr:
That’s just aircraft CapEx. Right now, we are showing $1.2 billion in ‘16 for non-aircraft CapEx. We think it will go up to $1.5 billion in ‘17 and then probably $1.5 billion, I just put $1.5 billion for both ‘17 and ‘18 as we finish off and then will drop off in ‘19 and ‘20. So I am trying to get done with all the basic economy, premium economy, all of the interior work that we are doing and all of the completion of all the merger activity we will have higher non-aircraft CapEx in ‘17 and ‘18, but then get back to that $1.2 billion, $1 billion run rate in ‘19 and ‘20.
Darryl Genovesi:
Would you just provide the total gross CapEx as you see it today for those years?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. I have 5.6 in ‘16, 5.5 in ‘17, 3.6 in ‘18, 3.6 in ‘19 and 3.2 in ‘20.
Darryl Genovesi:
Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question is coming from Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Savi Syth:
Hi, good morning. Actually if I could first ask a follow-up to Julie’s question on the corporate demand, can you just talk about like what the volume trend has been over the last several quarters and if that’s similar or have you seen maybe a deceleration in that trend?
Scott Kirby:
I think they have been similar. Not a real change from the corporate demand environment.
Savi Syth:
Alright, great. And then just switching to the kind of the non-fuel cost side, on the pre pre-agreed profit sharing basis, if I look at the full year guide, it seems that there is a lot of pressure here in 2016, I am just wondering what’s driving that and when we might see some of the kind of the benefits from merger or integration related benefits benefiting the cost side and maybe just some early thoughts on what we might see from the headwinds and tailwinds in 2017?
Scott Kirby:
Yes. I think what’s driving this year is primarily for a full year effect, it’s salaries and benefits and adding back in the profit sharing. So that of a full year, we have guided right around 5, that’s almost 4.5 of it. The third quarter change from the second quarter is really driven by maintenance timing. I think we had a 1.7% good guy in maintenance in the first quarter, 1% in the second quarter and it’s shifting almost exactly opposite in the third and fourth quarter with about a 1.6 headwind in the third and a 1.4 headwind in the fourth. So it’s really a shift in the maintenance timing. Year-over-year, our maintenance is flat, it’s up 0.1, so it’s virtually flat. But it’s the timing of things moving from this year in the third and fourth quarter more than last year being in the first and second quarter, so that’s really the year-over-year timing. As we look forward, we don’t – we still have one contract to do that is not in our guidance, that we are still working hard to get our mechanics in our RAMP contract done and we want to get that done as soon as possible. That would be the biggest headwind going into next year from a CASM perspective. Other than that, we believe we should be in the zero to 2% range going forward and we don’t see any major CASM headwinds looking out into ‘17 or ‘18.
Savi Syth:
If I may follow-up on that, from a gauge standpoint, what’s the trend is there going to be, kind of maybe it’s a zero to 2% would rely on the gauge improvement?
Derek Kerr:
Gauge improvements from an aircraft perspective?
Savi Syth:
Exactly?
Derek Kerr:
There is still some gauge increase. Some of that is going as we modify the aircraft, so maybe 0.5% of that will be gauge driven.
Savi Syth:
Okay. And then just from kind of on the regional side, there is not a lot more left then, from kind of up-gauging there?
Derek Kerr:
Correct. There is only from a delivery perspective, we only have about 12 aircraft of gauge coming in ‘17, so there will be some effect from the ‘16. We had 42 aircraft coming in ’16, so there will be a little bit affect that next year. This year, we had a gauge difference of about, from an ASM perspective, of about 3.3. Next year, it’s probably about half of that, 1.5 points to 2 points on the regional perspective.
Savi Syth:
Alright, great. Thank you.
Operator:
Next, we will take the question from Joseph DeNardi with Stifel.
Joseph DeNardi:
Yes. Thank you. Good morning. Derek and Scott, I just want to talk about kind of the capacity reductions you announced, I guess it was last week, one of your peers have said that it’s essentially too expensive for them to pull capacity starting in fourth quarter, so I just want to understand, when you guys ran the numbers on pulling ASMs, was it dilutive to earnings and you were just willing to accept that to try and regain some pricing power or was it not?
Derek Kerr:
No, we think it’s the right thing to do. We think its earnings positive in that world. I mean look, in a world where RASM is declining and/or fuel prices were going up, it just becomes mathematically true that everything across your system gets a little worse. And so the bottom 1% has a higher probability that it’s no longer profitable. It is true that you can’t get 100% of the cost out in the short-term that does drive CASM pressure for us, but we think that, that the capacity changes we made are both revenue and earnings positive beginning in the fourth quarter even though we can’t get 100% of the cost out.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay, okay. And then Derek, you have talked in some detail about the CapEx and debt profile over the next couple of years, can you just talk about just on the interest expense line when and at what level that, that number peaks and then starts to come down over the next couple of years?
Derek Kerr:
On the interest expense line?
Joseph DeNardi:
Yes.
Derek Kerr:
Let me see. Let me try to grab that for the 5-year plan. Go ahead and ask another one and I will pull that question and I will pull that answer.
Doug Parker:
What else you got, Joe?
Joseph DeNardi:
I was going to try and stick to two, so I will let somebody else get on.
Doug Parker:
We are still long enough...
Derek Kerr:
It should stay pretty stable where we have it right now. So, our interest expense line in ‘16 is forecast to be right about at $1 billion and we forecast it for the next. Depending on what we do, I think, right now, we expect to finance a fair amount of those aircraft, so if we do that, we will reduce that pretty much commensurate with what we bring on. So, our interest expense should stay pretty flat over the next 5 years under that methodology. And we have reduced the cost of the debt from 5% down almost to 4% debt, which is as we have refinanced and financed these aircraft at really attractive rates we have reduced our overall cost of debt down to around 4%.
Joseph DeNardi:
Great, thank you very much.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Joseph.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Jack Atkins with Stephens.
Jack Atkins:
Great. Thanks for squeezing me in here guys. I guess just to go back to the revenue initiatives and cabin segmentation for a moment, I know the plan is to have basic economy by the end of this year. But can you give us a sense for when you would expect those initiatives to really start having some noticeable improvement on the P&L in terms of your RASM or PRASM?
Derek Kerr:
So basic economy, I think we will start to have an impact probably on March of next year what I would say. And then premium economy, while we will roll it out at some point in ‘17 because it will also be tied in – we are going to treat premium economy like a separate cabin essentially. So different than what other airlines might call premium economy today, more expansive, more what it looks like or more how it’s treated internationally or how we are going to treat it internationally as a separate cabin. And because of that, it will have impact on the frequent flyer program and so that will probably be for 2018 really because we need to tell our frequent flyers in advance how it impacts the frequent flyer program.
Jack Atkins:
Okay. And then just a quick follow-up on that then, is there a way to sort of put some brackets around the value you would expect that to generate to your earnings stream over the course of the next, call it 3 to 5 years?
Scott Kirby:
I am going to be disappointed if it’s not a $1 billion a year.
Jack Atkins:
Okay, thank you very much.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
And now we will begin the media portion of the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And we will take our first question from Susan Carey with Wall Street Journal. Please go ahead.
Susan Carey:
Good morning. Two probably for Scott. I think, Scott, at the outset, I understood you to say that your 3Q guidance is going to be for RASM, down 3.5% to 5.5% and I believe I understood you to say you were abandoning PRASM and you were going to be adopting the RASM model going forward. Am I getting that right?
Scott Kirby:
Well, I didn’t say abandon, but yes, that’s right. It’s the better metric to look at more an increasing percentage of our revenues come in the other revenue line. The credit card deal is obviously a big component of that. But also as we move into a world of basic economy and premium economy, there will be a higher amount of revenues that come in other revenues, and that’s really the most important metric. So, we are going to be guiding to RASM on a going forward basis.
Susan Carey:
And okay, so – and the other question I think an analyst asked it, you said there are – Brexit is not really going to have a big impact on you for the foreseeable future, except on the ForEx front, but I think the guy asked, what are you going to do about coordinating, with VA across the pond in case there has to be some kind of capacity adjustment? Is it premature to talk about that right now or is that something that’s in your planning horizon?
Scott Kirby:
Well look, we have a great relationship with IAG and we talk to them all the time about what the right amount of capacity is and will this continue in the normal course in that process and we will react as we see things happen in the market, but there is nothing specific to talk about today.
Susan Carey:
Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Jeffrey Dastin with Reuters.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Hi, thank you for taking the question. Perhaps I missed this, but could you specify any markets or if there is particular region that will be impacted by the Airbus deferrals?
Scott Kirby:
Well, we didn’t specify and there really isn’t, because we still have to work through the plans on where we are going to fly with the existing fleet. It – really, what this does is give us flexibility. All these aircraft were scheduled to be replacement aircraft for existing aircraft and so we can extend some of the leases longer to keep the existing flying and/or growth plans in place or given a weak international environment, we can keep some of those requirements in place as they were and pullback on what our growth plans otherwise would have been. So, it really just gives us flexibility.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Great, thank you. And one follow-up question or unrelated question, how are bookings shaping up for cities in Cuba so far?
Scott Kirby:
You know, I don’t know.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Right, thank you.
Doug Parker:
We will get some of that back to you, Jeffrey.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Great, thank you.
Doug Parker:
Sure.
Operator:
Next, we will take Edward Russell with Flightglobal.
Edward Russell:
Hi, thank you for taking my questions. I just wanted to understand why you are choosing to do the A350 deferrals now? You have the U.S. Airways and American order books back in 2013, so why the decision to do this now versus a year ago or so?
Scott Kirby:
Well, in order to defer, you can’t just unilaterally decide to defer aircraft and call Airbus or Boeing up and say, hey, we are going to defer aircraft and they say, okay. You have to work it out with them. And so we have just needed to find a point in time, where it was in Airbus’ best interest to defer the orders and ours. And so the timing is really about when it works for both sets of partners.
Edward Russell:
Okay. I mean, one of the things that comes up I think of is I mean, Airbus has already started cutting metal for first half ‘17 deliveries at this point. So, I mean do you have any color on where you penalized for doing a deferral now or that it was just in the best interest?
Scott Kirby:
No, this was something Airbus also wanted and so we were able to work out a win-win for Airbus and American and...
Doug Parker:
Yes, hey, Edward, it’s Doug. I mean, look anyway, first off as you know, we came in with two realms of two large fleet orders and we have been trying to get them better coordinated this helps. And on the Airbus front, you should talk to them, but it’s been a very popular product as you know and they sold a lot of them and they are trying to meet all their customers’ needs and this deferral, I think, was consistent with that.
Scott Kirby:
We did defer 4 787s last year, so...
Doug Parker:
So, it worked out well for us and presumably worked out well for Airbus, but we did not – we certainly did not pay any penalties for it.
Edward Russell:
Got it. Thank you very much.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Hi, good morning. There has been some kind of dire forecast out of Europe, European airlines on the impact on travel demand from the terror incidents. Are you guys seeing anything or do you expect to see anything from that?
Scott Kirby:
Well, we don’t have anyway of knowing why bookings are lower or why revenue is weaker. Europe is the one area that is going to sequentially get worse in the third quarter than the second quarter. But whether it’s that or whether it’s the economic weakness or whether it’s Brexit or whether it’s just the currency impact or whether it’s all the capacity growth, there is a lot of things that could be driving it and it’s probably all of the above.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Yes, thank you.
Operator:
And our last question is coming from Ted Reed with The Street. Please go ahead.
Ted Reed:
Thank you. Two quick things. First of all, first Delta said they were going to cut to UK by 6%, then United said incremental cuts, and now you are saying no cuts to UK. So what’s the difference is just the traffic doing better than everybody thought?
Scott Kirby:
Well, I don’t think we said anything about what we are going to do in the UK.
Ted Reed:
What are you going to do in the UK?
Scott Kirby:
We haven’t said anything.
Ted Reed:
Alright. And the other thing I wondered about is I was surprised – people were surprised when you put the 787-9 on to go to Madrid instead of to Asia, what was your thinking behind that?
Scott Kirby:
Well, we have got a partner in Madrid with a hub there and we just thought it was the right route to come. There is going to be 78s, 9s that will be flying to Asia. We are taking a lot of deliveries and they will be coming, but starting it off, it worked for the aircraft rotation and worked flying into one of our partner’s hubs.
Ted Reed:
Alright, thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Ted.
Operator:
And that does conclude our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to our speakers for any additional or closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
Alright. We have no additional closing remarks other than thank you and please let us know if you have any further questions. We appreciate your time.
Operator:
And that concludes today’s presentation. We thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect.
Operator:
Please, stand by, we're about to begin. Good morning, and welcome to the American Airlines Group First Quarter 2016 Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode, and following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. We ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question. And now, I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Daniel E. Cravens:
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group first quarter 2016 earnings conference call. Joining us on the call today is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Scott Kirby, our President; Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room for the question-and-answer session is Robert Isom, the Chief Operating Officer; Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications; Bev Goulet, Chief Integration Officer; Maya Leibman, Chief Information Officer; and Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs. As is our normal practice, we're going to start the call today with Doug and he will provide an overview of our first quarter 2016 financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter and provide some additional information on our guidance for the remainder of the year. Scott will then follow with commentary on the revenue environment and our operational performance. And then after we hear from those comments, we will open the call for analyst questions and lastly, questions from the media. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecasts and capacity, traffic and load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2016. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as net profit and CASM excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and that can be found on our website at aa.com. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website and the information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So, thanks again for joining us this morning. And at this point, I'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, Dan. Thanks, everybody, for being on the call. This morning we announced 2016 pre-tax earnings for the first quarter, excluding special items, of $1.2 billion. That is slightly down from our all-time record first quarter earnings that were set in 2015, but of more relevance to our shareholders, on an adjusted earnings per share basis, EPS actually grew 15% versus last year's record. That, of course, is because our share count is lower due to the share repurchase program we've had in place. And indeed absolute earnings would have been slightly higher than last year's record, slightly lower except for the company's unilateral decision to institute a profit sharing program for our employees beginning in 2016. I know investors may question that decision, it's a big decision and the fact of the matter is we, at American, had attempted to transform our industry's compensation structure consistent with our view that our industry had been transformed. In short, we believe the best way, as most industries do, to pay our hardworking team is to give them an industry leading base wage instead of lower wages and then give them a share of the profits at the end of the year. But as it became more clear over time that our competitors were not going to do the same, it became a real issue for our team, and therefore, for our shareholders. And while the team understood the logic, we just couldn't get past a collective view amongst the team that the company didn't appreciate their contributions to the success of the team. And that certainly wasn't the intent, nor the view. So, we implemented a unilateral 5% profit sharing program, the first accrual of which is in these results. The accrual was $73 million for our team. We're quite pleased with that, and believe you, as shareholders, should be as well. The fact of the matter is the announcement had the impact that we had hoped. Our team is excited. They're engaged. They are intent upon returning American to be the greatest airline in the world and we're seeing it in the results. You can see it in the great job our team is doing of running our airline and taking care of our customers, so I want to begin by thanking them for their continued hard work and everything they're doing to return American to greatness and take care of our customers. As for the share repurchase, we returned more than $1.6 billion to our shareholders in the first quarter and our board has authorized a new $2 billion repurchase program that will expire at the end of 2017. Now look, we're repurchasing our shares because we're bullish on the stock and our prospects at American. We think it's a great investment for a couple of reasons. One, we continue to believe that the market does not seem to fully appreciate the transformation that's taking place in this industry, and as a result, we believe the industry is well undervalued. Second, we think American Airlines has more upside than anyone else in the industry. We're not done with our integration. We're making investments at a rate that no other airline has done in the past, in the product and in our people, which will turn into our product. And that gives us upside that others don't have, so we're very bullish. But look, because we're bullish, that doesn't mean we are totally pleased with the current performance, because we're not. In particular, we're disappointed in our revenue performance on both an absolute level and relative to some of our peers. And Scott will take some time to explain the current situation and the outlook, but just know that we don't view the current revenue trends as either acceptable or long-term. If we did, we wouldn't be as bullish as we are. So with that said, I will turn it over to Derek to give you a lot more details and then Scott will give you some color and then we'll take questions. Derek?
Derek J. Kerr:
Yes, thanks, Doug. Good morning, everybody. In our 10-Q and earnings press release filed this morning, we reported a first quarter 2016 net profit, excluding net special charges, of $765 million, or $1.25 per diluted share. This compares to 2015 net profit, excluding net special charges, of $1.2 billion, or $1.73 per diluted share. As we talked about in our last call, in the fourth quarter of 2015, the company concluded that realization of substantially all of the deferred tax assets, principally net operating loss carryforwards, or NOLs, was more likely than not. This was the basis for the company's strong financial performance since the merger and expectations of financial sustained future profitability. Accordingly, the company reversed the valuation allowance on its deferred tax asset as of December 31, 2015. Starting with its first quarter of 2016 results, the company will be recognizing a provision for income tax that is substantially non-cash, due to its utilization of NOLs. For 2016, quarterly net profit will not be comparable to net profit of 2015. As a result, we believe pre-tax profit, excluding net special items, is a better measure for evaluating year-over-year performance than net income. On that basis, our first quarter pre-tax profit, excluding net special charges, was $1.22 billion, which resulted in record first quarter pre-tax margin of 12.9%. This compares to our 2015 first quarter pre-tax profit, excluding net special charges, of $1.25 billion and a pre-tax margin of 12.7%. As Doug talked about, excluding the effects of our special items and the non-cash tax provision, our first quarter 2016 adjusted fully diluted EPS was up 15% to $1.99 per share, reflecting a 15% reduction in our fully diluted average share count. Total capacity for the first quarter of 2016 was 65.1 billion ASMs, up 3.6% from the same period in 2015 with mainline capacity up 3.1% and regional capacity was up 8.1%. We continue to make significant investment in our fleet renewal program, which has given the company the youngest and most modern fleet of the U.S. network airlines. By the end of this year we expect the average age of our mainline fleet to fall below 10 years, well below any of our network competitors. In the first quarter of 2016, the company took delivery of 15 new mainline aircraft while retiring 19 mainline aircraft. The company also added 13 regional aircraft and removed three regional aircraft. This program will continue throughout the year when we expect to take delivery of 55 new mainline aircraft, while adding 49 regional aircraft, and to keep our capacity in check, we expect to remove 86 mainline aircraft and 23 regional aircraft from our fleet during the year. Our first quarter 2016 revenue continued to be negatively impacted by competitive capacity increases, principally in certain domestic markets, economic softness in Latin America, and the impact of a stronger dollar in foreign markets. For the quarter, total operating revenues were $9.4 billion, down 4% year-over-year, passenger revenues were $8.1 billion, down 4.2%, driven by 7.1% lower yields on a 3.6% increase in system capacity. Cargo revenues were down 16.8% to $162 million due primarily to a 15.3% decline in yields on international freight. Other operating revenues were relatively flat at $1.2 billion. Total RASM in the first quarter of 2016 was $0.145, down 7.3%, driven principally by a decline in passenger RASM of 7.5%, which Scott will talk about in a minute. As Doug mentioned in his remarks, on March 23 we introduced an employee profit sharing program, which will pay out 5% of pre-tax profit, excluding special items, starting with our full year 2016 results. This program was retroactive to January 1, and accordingly, we recognized $73 million of profit sharing expense in the first quarter. The company also accelerated a contractual mark-to-market pay rate adjustment for the company's flight attendants and reached agreement with our dispatchers on a new contract in April. Costs associated with these rate adjustments and the profit sharing program will be included in our forward CASM guidance that I'll discuss later. The first quarter financial results continue to reflect a significant savings from the year-over-year decline in jet fuel prices. Our average mainline fuel price, including taxes, for the first quarter of 2016 was down 34.1% to $1.20 per gallon. Total GAAP operating expenses were $8.1 billion, down 5.9% versus the same period last year, due primarily to the $607 million decrease in consolidated fuel expense. Operating expenses, excluding net special charges, for the first quarter of 2016 were $8 billion, down 3.7% year-over-year. First quarter mainline cost per ASM, excluding net special charges, was $0.1141, down 6.9% year-over-year, due primarily to lower fuel costs. Excluding special items and fuel, our mainline cost per ASM was $0.0962 in the first quarter, up 1.4% year-over-year. This increase was due primarily to contractual labor rate increases, including for our customer service and res agents, and the introduction of our profit sharing plan. These rate increases were offset in part by maintenance timing and lower selling expenses. Regional operating cost per ASM, excluding special items and fuel, was $0.1611 for the first quarter of 2016, a decrease of 2.2%, and our consolidated first quarter CASM was up 1%. We ended the first quarter with approximately $9.4 billion in total available liquidity, comprised of cash and investments of $6.9 billion and a $2.4 billion undrawn revolver capacity. The company also had $691 million classified in restricted cash. During the first quarter of 2016, we generated $2.6 billion of cash flow from operations and paid $310 million in scheduled debt payments. As a reminder, on our fourth quarter earnings call, we provided our view on leverage and liquidity for American going forward. In particular, we stated that in today's earnings and interest rate environment, liquidity was the most important metric we consider. And given our relative leverage, we expect to maintain a liquidity level of at least $6.5 billion. We also provided guidance with respect to where we are with our fleet renewal program, access to attractive debt in the capital markets, ongoing share repurchase programs, and our belief that American will produce sustained earnings. Our liquidity of $9.4 billion for the quarter and was up from $8.7 billion at the end of 2015, and was well in excess of the $6.5 billion liquidity we seek to maintain for the foreseeable future. As previously mentioned, we believe it is important to retain liquidity levels higher than our network peers given our overall leverage and that we have not yet completed our fleet renewal program. With respect to leverage, we look to metrics such as net debt to EBITDAR, and with our planned aircraft financing this year, we continue expect that on this metric we will peak in 2016 and then begin to see this decline each year going forward as our capital spending declines. In early January, the company issued $1.1 billion in enhanced equipment trust certificates at a blended rate just below 4%. The proceeds for this financing were used to finance aircraft previously delivered in 2015. The company also raised approximately $400 million in other low-cost aircraft financing during the quarter. For the first quarter, the company returned more than $1.6 billion to its shareholders through the repayment of $61 million in quarterly dividends and a repurchase of $1.56 billion of common stock, or 39.3 million shares. Since our capital return program started in mid-2014, the company has returned approximately $6.6 billion to shareholders through share repurchases of $6.1 billion and dividends of $0.5 billion. Including share repurchases, shares withheld to cover taxes associated with employee equity awards and shares distributions and the cash extinguishment of convertible debt, our share count has dropped 23% from 756.1 million at merger close to 585.7 million shares on March 31, 2016. At the end of the quarter, the company had approximately $850 million remaining on its current authorization, and as a result the company's board of directors authorized a new $2 billion share repurchase program that will expire at the end of 2017. On a program-to-date basis, the company's board of directors has authorized a total of $9 billion of share repurchases. Turning now to our 2016 guidance, we continue to value our capacity and in our IR update issued two weeks ago, we lowered full year system capacity guidance by a half of a point and are forecasting it to be up approximately 2.5%. Full year domestic capacity growth is expected to be up approximately 2.5% and international has been reduced from 6% down to 2.5%. By quarter, the first quarter is 62.6 billion – or second quarter is 62.6 billion, excuse me, 64.8 billion in the third quarter, 58.9 billion in the fourth quarter. On a regional breakdown, it's 8.01 billion in the second quarter, 8.22 billion in the third quarter and 8.08 billion in the fourth quarter. On the cost side, we're forecasting year-over-year mainline CASM, excluding special items and fuel, to be up approximately 3% to 5% with regional CASM, excluding special items and fuel, is projected to be down approximately 3% to 5%. Mainline CASM in the first and second quarter (sic) [second quarter and third quarter] (17:10) will be up between 4% and 6%, and in the fourth quarter, up 3% to 5%, regional CASM be down by approximately 4% to 6% in the second quarter, and down 3% to 5% in both the third quarter and fourth quarter. Based on the overall fuel curve of April 18, 2016, we expect to see another year with significant year-over-year fuel savings. In the second quarter, we expect $1.30 to $1.35, third quarter, $1.36 to $1.41, fourth quarter, $1.40 to $1.45. On the regional side, the second quarter we have at $1.35 to $1.40, third quarter, $1.43 to $1.48, and the fourth quarter, $1.47 to $1.52, and based on these prices we expect our 2016 consolidated fuel expense to decrease by approximately $1.6 billion year-over-year. Using the midpoints of guidance we provided along with the PRASM guidance that Scott will give, we expect our second quarter pre-tax margin, excluding special items, to be between 14% and 16%. For capital expenditures, we still expect total gross aircraft CapEx to be approximately $4.5 billion, of which $1.2 billion will occur in the second quarter. For the full year 2016, we expect to invest $1.2 billion for non-aircraft CapEx, which includes investment to improve our product and the operations. So, in conclusion, thanks to the efforts of our more than 100,000 team members, we have strong first quarter results, which make an excellent start to 2016. While we still have a lot of work to do to complete our integration and our continued financial success, has us well-positioned for the years ahead. And with that, I will turn it over to Scott.
J. Scott Kirby:
Thanks, Derek. And I'd like to start by thanking our operations team and the 100,000 people of American Airlines. We continue to make great strides and in fact the first quarter was our best operational quarter since the merger closed. Despite the fact that we're years behind our competitors in starting the merger integration process, we've already gotten to the point where we're neck and neck for first place in departures and zeros, which we view as a primary metric for core operating reliability. In our other operating metrics, we're showing improvement as well with mishandled baggage rates down over 20% year-over-year and significant improvements in completion factor. But we know we can do even better. We have many initiatives and technology projects underway to further improve all of our operating metrics and are well on the path to operating the best airline in the world. On the revenue front, the first quarter continued the challenging revenue environment with PRASM down 7.5%. Domestically, our consolidated PRASM was down 5.3%. We saw the strongest performance year-over-year in Los Angeles, Dallas, Fort Worth, and Chicago. The weakest performance once again was in Miami, although, that's still really a function of declining connecting revenues from South America. Internationally, the stronger U.S. dollar and declining international fuel surcharges made up 1.7 points of our total system PRASM decline, so that is a smaller impact than we saw in fourth quarter, as we're beginning to overlap the dollar appreciation from last year. The Atlantic was our best performing international region with PRASM down 2.1%. While we're relatively pleased with that result, we expect capacity growth across the Atlantic this summer to drive some incremental pressure in this region. Across the Pacific, PRASM was down 16% on 29% ASM growth, with continued weakness in both Japan and China, but positive year-over-year PRASM in South Korea. Latin PRASM was down 17%, but as it's been for a while now that weakness is concentrated in Brazil and Venezuela, where PRASM was down 39% and 48%, respectively. Looking forward, while the comps get easier in 2Q, the revenue environment remains challenging. We expect the revenue environment to remain challenging throughout 2016, but longer-term, we feel quite positive about all the initiatives we have in place to drive higher revenues, including basic and premium economy, a new revenue-based frequent flyer program, $3 billion in new product investments, our continued fleet modernization program and the best people in the industry, who are focused on delivering the best customer service. We also recognize that the market is rightly concerned about getting back to positive PRASM, and we're also focused on that as an explicit internal goal. I think that timeline has unfortunately been pushed into next year and some of the long-term initiatives I described will make a big difference in that regard in 2017. But we'd also like to find ways to accelerate the positive PRASM trends into this year. Doing so will require a fair level of sequential improvement, but one of the areas that we're focused on in the near-term include implementing a new demand forecasting system and yield management. This initiative we know will ultimately produce much better results, but as we've implemented this in the recent past we've had some one step forward, two steps back issues with the new system. We're cautiously optimistic that we're through some of the teething pains, and in fact, as we look out into the summer, our PRASM forecast for June and beyond looks much better than April and May. As most of you know, we're also in the middle of negotiations for a new credit card deal. While I won't predict on this call when or even if we'll get a deal done, all of our large competitors have done new deals in the past couple of years and we expect a similar large tailwind for American Airlines when we do ultimately get a new deal done. Further, we also adjust capacity in a world where we see declining demand. American Airlines was the slowest growing airline in the United States last year, and as you've seen for several quarters in a row, we continue to reduce our capacity plan in light of declining year-over-year PRASM. So, while we believe the long-term outlook is bright and even have some near-term opportunities that could drive out performance, I know that many people on this call are a little more focused just on 2Q revenues. So, for the second quarter, total scheduled capacity remains elevated in all regions, and while capacity growth rates are down slightly from the first quarter levels, total capacity is still growing faster than the economies in all regions of the world. As we move into the back half of the year, however, we still expect capacity growth rates to moderate further from the first half level. As we experienced throughout 2015, we continue to see significant year-over-year competitive growth in Dallas, and we don't expect that to moderate until September. And while the comps get easier, the economy, currencies and revenue environment in Brazil and Venezuela both continue to deteriorate on a sequential basis. Given all this, we expect our system PRASM to decline 6% to 8% year-over-year in the second quarter. In conclusion, the near-term revenue environment remains challenging. While we're delivering solid bottom line results, we know that getting back to PRASM growth is important to our near-term and long-term future. To do that, we're making smart investments in our product and continuing to modernize our fleet. We have an intense focus on improving our operations and are starting to see the results in our operating metrics and we're investing in our people. Our team members are responsible for delivering great service to our customers each and every day. And in near-term, we're focused on better day-to-day execution in revenue management and getting our new yield management system properly tuned. When you put it all together, we feel very good about the foundation that we're building for the long-term, which will enable us to run the world's best operation and drive higher revenues.
William Douglas Parker:
Excellent. Thank you, Derek, thank you, Scott. Operator, we're ready to take any questions.
Operator:
And we'll take our first question from Joseph DeNardi with Stifel.
Joseph DeNardi:
Scott, just a question kind of on the PRASM environment and the messaging. I feel like it's getting a little bit mixed and if you guys wanted to get to flat PRASM or positive PRASM, you could probably do it next quarter, but you're not, because that capacity is earnings and cash flow accretive. So, can you just talk about in an environment where you did reduce capacity, what would cash flow look like? And what are you doing with the incremental cash flow you're getting from the capacity growth?
J. Scott Kirby:
Well first, I don't think it's that simple. I think American Airlines unilaterally reducing capacity wouldn't get us to PRASM-positive on its own and it's going to require more than that. It's going to require a lot of the kinds of things that I talked about in my prepared remarks. There are some near-term things that we're focused on, particularly in the yield management area. And a lot of the longer-term investments and initiatives are the kind of things that are going to get us not just back to positive PRASM growth, but hopefully recovering what we've lost in 2015 and 2016 and get back to actual real PRASM growth. We're not in a world where we're saying, keep capacity in place, just taking a near-term perspective on cash flow or anything else. We are focused on getting to cash flow – PRASM-positive. You see us, I don't know how many quarters in a row, six quarters or seven quarters in a row, where we have reduced capacity, but I don't think capacity is a simplistic button to push that will just magically turn PRASM-positive.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay. And then, Doug, just on the decision on the profit sharing side of this, are you expecting benefits operationally from improved employee engagement? Is that part of this? Or is it just you had to do this, so just cost of doing business at this point?
William Douglas Parker:
Well, Joseph, yes, we're not going to try and point to anything where you're going to see absolute improvement. What I can tell you is this, we'd lost part of the team and it's really important, particularly at this airline, given the history that the team had gone through, and given what we're trying to accomplish to pull everyone together and help them understand that indeed, it's different, much like we're trying to, with every one of our partners, help them understand the world is different. What had happened is we'd lost a part of the team. They understood analytically the argument we laid out and that we've laid out for you and that we laid out all the time and it certainly passed our look them in the eye test, which is important to us. We all talk about a team needing to (27:53) look our employees in the eye and tell them why we made the decisions and we can do that extremely well. We just didn't like the look we were getting back on this one. The employees got it with their brains, but they didn't get it in their hearts and it really felt like, again, largely because while our competitors kind of were moving in our direction, they weren't going to the point that we had. And other airlines had in place these profit sharing programs and we did not and it felt to our team, while they understood again the logic, felt as though we weren't appreciating their contribution to the bottom line, which is the last thing we were trying to accomplish. So, what we realized is if we were going to really get our team engaged and excited, which is an imperative to accomplishing all we want to accomplish and all the things Scott talked about that we're working on, to compete against the other airlines, and particularly for premium travelers, we have to have our team engaged and excited and this was holding us back. So, I firmly believe it's in our shareholders' best interests to do it. We wouldn't have done it otherwise. We have, indeed, seen an uplift in engagement and excitement because of this. Not so much, I don't think, because of the actual dollars involved, just because it proved what our employees wanted to believe, that indeed, it is different. And that we will listen and that we will do things when even though we've taken strong positions, if it gets to the point that we think it's not working, we're willing to revisit those decisions. So, all those things have had a positive impact on the team. I think that's good for – I know it's good for our shareholders. It's impossible to quantify. And it's also early. The real challenge for the team is to now build on it. This is temporary. While the profit sharing will stay in place, the feeling of instituting profit sharing is not going to stay in place. It will become just, I imagine over time, just part of everyone's compensation. And the way they view it and our challenge is now to use it to go do the things that we want to go do as an airline and put in place the product with the people that do their job so well that we want to. So, just a long way of me saying, it wasn't an easy decision, but I know it's the right decision for our shareholders.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay. Thanks, Doug.
William Douglas Parker:
Yes.
Operator:
And we'll go next to Julie Yates with Credit Suisse. J. Yates - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker) Thanks. The trans-Atlantic PRASM down just 2% was really quite impressive compared to peers. What are the primary factors there and how do you expect that to trend into Q2?
J. Scott Kirby:
Look, we had a good quarter. Some of that is true-ups that happened at the end of the year for the previous year, so some of our outperformance this quarter was really was true-ups from earlier quarters, which means our earlier quarter performance would have been better. We expect that to get a little bit worse in the second quarter. Demand across the trans-Atlantic though, particularly in light of the Brussels tragedy, has remained pretty strong and pretty resilient. There is a lot of capacity coming, however, so I expect that to take a downturn going forward, but core demand still seems pretty good across the Atlantic. J. Yates - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker) Okay. And, Scott, can you comment on advanced booking trends and corporate versus leisure and whether you're seeing the same positive trends in advance summer yields domestically that Delta called out last week?
J. Scott Kirby:
Yes, I'll go back a little bit. We hit a little bit of a rough patch in February and March, where corporate demand, in particular, seemed a little weak and I think a lot of airlines – well, every airline tended to see that. I think actually, I think there's two reasons for that, as near as I can hypothesize, both of which have gotten better now, so that's the good news. The first one is we had a stock market that dropped, whatever it dropped, 10% or 12%. As we've said before, on a headline basis, whether it should or not, that does affect travel demand, particularly corporate travel demand, which it's easy to go, when you start to get worried, rein in your travel and entertainment budget. And so I do think that was one of the factors and it appears that as the market has come back that close-in booking demand has gotten stronger. Another thing that happened, which got talked about a little bit on our earnings call the last time, we got asked a question about AAdvantage fares, which I know many people on this call think, or were worried was problematic and I declined to answer it on the last call. The reason I declined to answer it is because there were no AAdvantage fares in the market at that time. None of the airlines had AAdvantage fares. They'd all been canceled. And so I didn't want to talk about it. We went for about three months with no AAdvantage fares in the market. That three-month period actually coincided with the relative decline in revenue expectations across mostly all airlines. So, we were starting to wonder if our decision to cancel AAdvantage fares was really the correct revenue decision. But before we had made a final decision on that, one of our competitors, I presumably concluded that it was also the wrong decision, and put them back, so they've been back in the market now for a couple of weeks. And the combination of those two things means that in the last couple of weeks, we've actually seen strengthening close-in demand, not just absolute demand but booked revenue, so we actually feel better about the revenue environment than we would have say three weeks ago to four weeks ago. On the domestic front, I know that some have talked about advance booked yields being up. That's true for us too. Our booked yields domestically for May, June, July, and August are up year-over-year for all those months. But, I don't want to mislead anyone because that's been true for the past several months. The issue had not really been about advance booked yields. We've had advance booked yields domestically up. It's been about weak close-in yields. And there still is weakness in close-in yields, although, we do have a pretty strong demand environment and bookings are up a lot year-over-year, but the yield is tending to fall as we get closer to departure. J. Yates - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker) Okay, very helpful color. Thanks, Scott.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie N. Baker:
Hey, Scott, just following up on your last point, if we look at the domestic fare structure, it looks pretty sloppy to me. I don't really care how we got here, but the fares that I'm being asked to pay, particularly close-in and to your point, they strike me as stupidly low. Notwithstanding airlines' recalcitrance to discuss pricing, what is potentially wrong with the structure? Is it multi-segment itineraries that are pricing too low? Is it that junk fares have been popping up in markets where discounters don't even exist? Is it something about minimum stay requirements? The reason I ask is not in regards to what you might do differently, it's what we might be looking for, keeping an eye out for, in terms of change, as opposed to just monitoring for plain vanilla fare increases.
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, I won't use the term wrong, because of the connotations that has...
Jamie N. Baker:
Okay.
J. Scott Kirby:
...but the fare environment has changed over the last couple of decades. One of the big – probably I think the biggest change has been the lack of pricing fences. So, historically, airlines had a 14-day advance purchases with Saturday night stays and that was an effective way to segment demand and offer business travelers great product, high frequency, the ability to book last minute, but also to be able to offer leisure fares that could fill the empty seats on airplanes that were below the average cost to flying the airplane, but could fill what would have otherwise been empty seats and it would have effectively segmented demand. Really, because of the growth of low-cost carriers, those pricing fences have broken down across the board and have lots of zero AP fares, lots of one-way fares. And more than anything, that's what I think has driven lower fares for business travel and for close-in traffic. Now, the ways to combat that are, and to drive higher fares, basic and premium economy are two of the really I think big levers for American Airlines in doing that. We're not going to have that really in place until next year, but today, when we wind up having to be competitive with others, and so we have low fares in the market that have very few restrictions on them, and there's no reason for a customer to pay more. And we're going to – you get the exact same product, whether you buy a $41 walk-up fare or a $900 walk-up fare and we're going to change that and we're going to have different products, and the more you're paying, the better benefits you're going to get. That's one of the really big things that we can do. Parts of that, part and parcel of that is investing in the product and having a great product that customers are actually willing to pay for and pay more for, so that for those customers who aren't commodity customers, we have a lot of our customers who are commoditized, but for those of the customers, who are not commoditized, we can sell them a better product and be appropriately compensated for that. You also see changes going on in the industry like the stuff about fare combinability...
Jamie N. Baker:
Right.
J. Scott Kirby:
...which for the most part has been rolled back now, but those are – the fare combinability is an artifact of history that goes back to the 1960s when GDSs were first built, and has had unintended consequences as the pricing environment change. So the fact that those kinds of changes are happening, even if they happen in a fitful one step forward, two steps back kind of process, are actually long-term encouraging to me, because we're moving to a world where we're getting away from just commoditizing the price of the product, and getting to, we will sell a commoditized product for some customers, but for other customers, we will be able to de-commoditize the product. And that's not going to happen overnight, that's not going to happen this year, but we're on a good path to get there and that's a big structural change.
Jamie N. Baker:
All right; helpful. And then a quick housekeeping question. Derek, there were reports in the last couple of weeks about stepped-up hedging by airlines. It wasn't even clear that the unnamed airlines were even in the United States, but I do feel compelled to ask
Derek J. Kerr:
No changes at this time.
Jamie N. Baker:
Okay; just checking. Thank you, gentlemen.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, Jamie.
Jamie N. Baker:
Thanks, Doug.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Rajeev Lalwani with Morgan Stanley.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Hi, gentlemen. Thanks for the time. Scott, you talked a fair amount about just benefits from yield management, cabin segmentation, credit card, et cetera. To the extent that you have those in place today or at some point going forward, what would pricing actually look like? Would you be more flattish? Would be positive? That's the first question. And then the second question, just on the domestic side, what sort of capacity growth does the industry need to see it actually have a more stable pricing? Clearly, the numbers we're seeing today aren't cutting it, but just your thoughts there on all of that would be great.
J. Scott Kirby:
So, on the second part of the question, I'm just going to say, I can't answer that. What industry capacity growth (40:07) and just say this
Rajeev Lalwani:
Thanks, and if I can squeeze in one quick one for Derek. I think I know the answer to this, but as far as your peers, they stepped up some aircraft orders recently because of regional issues or just better pricing from the OEMs. Where are you guys on all of that? I know you've had some regional issues, but you also have the big order books. Just some quick color'd be great.
Derek J. Kerr:
Yes, there's no change to our order book. I think we have a significant amount of aircraft coming in, in this year, 2017, 2018, 2019, so I think we have the order that's in place that needs to be there. So there's no change to our order book going forward. We'll always be looking at opportunities, but at this point in time, no change to the order book going forward.
William Douglas Parker:
Rajeev, let me just use that to make a plug. The reason we're not (43:20) looking for new orders, as Derek said, we have a large order book and we've brought in a lot of new airplanes. Our team has just done – one of the things we don't talk about enough, I think, is the great job our team has done of modernizing this fleet. Robert Isom and his team are inducting a new airplane almost every four days, or about every four days, and retiring an older one. The result is the American Airlines fleet now is down right around 10 years on average, which is lower than any of our peers, and well lower than some of our peers, and shrinking. When we did the merger, we had the second oldest fleet of the four largest airlines. Now, we have the youngest. That's because we've lowered our fleet age over time. This is something that we're ahead of the others on. We're happy about that. It's a product advantage. It's also a future capital allocation advantage.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Thanks for all the time, Doug, Scott, Derek.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks.
Operator:
We'll go next to Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Hunter K. Keay:
Hi, guys. Thank you very much. Two questions. Hey, Doug, or Scott, or anybody, why do you think the...
William Douglas Parker:
There's a lot of us here, Hunter, what do you got?
Hunter K. Keay:
Yes. Okay, good. Well then, Doug, why do you think we care so much about PRASM? And if you were on the buy side, how would you think about PRASM when making an investment decision?
William Douglas Parker:
You're asking me why I think you think what you think?
Hunter K. Keay:
That's right. That's exactly what I'm asking.
William Douglas Parker:
Okay, I'll do my best. Look, Hunter, you all have to – you have customers that care about near-term, you have some that care about long-term. We care more about the long-term, I think that's the only difference. And again, I wouldn't say the difference. Look, we care like crazy about our revenue trends in the near-term and what they look like next quarter. We just, I think, I have a sense we don't care as much as some of your investors, but look, if I was an investor who had a short-term horizon on trading, I would care about what tomorrow's revenue looked like. And that's a lot of who you have to deal with, and those are our shareholders and we care about them as well, but our job is to maximize long-term shareholder value, and that doesn't mean at all that we ignore the near-term and none of us would suggest that we are. But all I – this is what I tried to say in my comments. Just because we're bullish about the future, don't take that to mean that we're entirely pleased with the current environment, because we're not. We just happen to believe that the long-term prospects for the stock are not reflected in the current price. And maybe that's because there's too much focus on the near-term, or maybe it's just because we're wrong. I don't know.
Hunter K. Keay:
Yes.
William Douglas Parker:
So, look, that's for you all to decide. Our job is to run the airline for the long-term. We are very excited about the long-term. We are not pleased with the current term. Again, I shouldn't say we're not pleased. We're actually – making $1.2 billion in a quarter is not something we're unhappy about, but our job is to maximize shareholder value and we know there are things that could be done better and particularly as Scott has noted, on the revenue environment, we think there are brighter days ahead, but we're not pleased with where we are now. It's not where we expected to be at this point. None of us were looking out a year ago and thinking we'd see these kinds of revenue declines, but I'm also happy to report that if someone were to project these kind of revenue declines, I don't think they would have projected $1.2 billion in earnings. So, I don't know, it's a long answer and I'm not sure I can tell you why you think what you think, Hunter, but I can tell you what we think, and what we think is the near-term is really important, but so is the long-term and it seems at times that we focus, that you all have to, focus more on the near-term than we do. So, I don't think that's inconsistent. I don't think that's a disconnect. I just think it's a different perspective of time horizon.
Hunter K. Keay:
Yes, well, I think when your long-term shareholders have their stocks go down 25%, they become near-term as well...
William Douglas Parker:
No kidding. Absolutely, Hunter, right.
Hunter K. Keay:
It's okay. I want to get more in. So this is a question for Scott. So you talk about some of these initiatives to clean up some of the fares and that's good, but they seem like their value will add, their value will add for sure, but they also seem a little bit transactional. This industry, Scott, has a track record of making really good transformational changes when things are really painful and bad. So I'm wondering, why we're using a pricing system that dates back to the 1980s based on algorithms that might not even apply anymore when the industry structure has completely overhauled. So is it time to start thinking transformational stuff here in terms of how you price your ticket? Maybe it's a five-year initiative, I don't know. But why are we using a pricing system built in the 1980s for an industry that is now completely different than it used to be when this stuff was designed?
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, I'll do my best to answer the question. I'm not 100% sure what you mean by transformational. I think we are doing things that maybe they're not big enough to be called transformational, but they're certainly evolutionary. Things like basic economy, premium economy, I'll put in the transformational bucket. Even things like getting rid of fare – changing fare combinability and trying to get a better pricing structure through eliminating fare combinability, has the potential to be transformational. We're stuck to some degree with, we still sell a huge percentage of our tickets through GDSs and through even our own reservation systems, systems that were built and architected in the 1960s and this fare combinability is one of those things. It's just built into the hardwiring of the system and when we eliminate it, for good reason, we create some unintended consequences, with things like multi-city ticketing and others. We're running hard, we're not the only one, other airlines too are running hard to change the way we price, and to be able to do things to, in particular, I think de-commoditize the product and change the way airline pricing has worked historically, but we're working with these old mainframe systems and it takes us time to get that done. It's not just us. It takes our partners' time. It takes Sabre time. It takes Amex GlobalTravel time, all to change it because we're working in these old systems and it's frustrating to us that we can't get these things done quicker because of great ideas about how to sell the product more effectively, about how to be able to, on the same airplane compete with Spirit Airlines and at the same time sell tickets to our premium customers who want a better product than they could ever possibly get on an airline like Spirit. But we're not going to get there tomorrow. We're running in that direction, but it's going to take time to get there.
Hunter K. Keay:
Okay, thanks.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thank you. On the profit sharing, you're accruing, and I would assume that for your unionized employees you would need an approval there, can you talk about the timeline for those approvals and if there's a chance that after accruing you don't have to pay it?
William Douglas Parker:
Hey, Duane. I'll let Steve give you the specifics as where we are, because frankly I'm not certain myself. But the fact of the matter is we announced the plan that did not ask our unions to do anything in exchange for it, so it's a company profit sharing plan that doesn't require any negotiations. It simply requires the unions to agree to put, if they choose to, to put language in their contract, basically a side letter, that says we will participate in whatever the company's plan is, and that's what we've asked them to do. I can't imagine a union would not want to put such language in their contracts, but that's how it works. This is not a negotiation. The company has a plan, and we are required for, of course, with our collective bargaining groups to, if we make any changes to compensation, for them to agree to it. But in this case, all they're agreeing to is to accept the profit sharing, not to be asked to do anything else. So, Steve, are they all done?
Stephen L. Johnson:
Not all done yet, but I expect them to fall in line. Several of the unions have agreed already, a couple of the unions are reviewing the plan and have internal governance to take care of, and then four of our unions are still in the process of negotiating joint collective bargaining agreements that will, I think, obtain the agreement that has part of those negotiations.
William Douglas Parker:
Yes, I think it would be a big mistake to assume that we would not pay these. It would be more likely to assume that some union officials get tossed out if we don't pay them, so they're going to be paid, as they should be.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
That certainly would be looking a gift horse in the mouth. Thanks for that detail. And then, Scott, if you could just talk big picture, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the relationship between fuel prices and revenue. Do you think a higher fuel curve accelerates that timeline for positive PRASM, even if capacity doesn't change? Thanks for taking the questions.
J. Scott Kirby:
I do think that there is a pretty strong inverse correlation between fuel price and revenue. Look, if you go back and look over the past, really going all the way back to, I think, before the financial crisis and when you've seen oil prices go up, you've seen fares go up, with a lag, with a three-month to six-month lag. A lot of times that lag, I think, part of that is that you wind up with less capacity, which is completely rational. So you wind up with less capacity when oil prices go up and that leads to a move in the supply curve which leads to higher prices. I was disappointed when oil prices fell, but that link went the other direction as well. It did. And when oil prices fell, supply went up and fares went down. I think that that is going to be in place going forward. And kind of going back to the earlier question, I think the investor focus and worry about PRASM is appropriate, but essentially it is a worry that that link won't exist. It's easy to say, earnings are good right now, but what if oil prices go up and revenues don't go up along with it? And I think that's really, I would characterize, the investor worry about PRASM. And I think it's one of the important points for investing in airlines. If you believe that, it's a pretty easy investment. If you don't believe that, it's a harder investment. I happen to believe it. We all here believe it pretty strongly. It's only a glimmer, but even if you look at this quarter, oil prices have gone up. They're still at really low level, but as they've gone up across this quarter, essentially every airline that I've read the transcript for so far, did something they talk about reducing capacity. Those two things, I think, are correlated and it's rational and so I think that we will see that link and if oil prices go up, that revenues will go up, as well. And I think that's sort of key to the investment thesis if you're an airline investor. If you believe that, it's a pretty easy story to say yes, and if you don't believe that, I get the focus on near-term PRASM and the worry about near-term PRASM.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thanks very much.
William Douglas Parker:
Hey, Duane, it's Doug. If I can, all I want to add to that is I should have included that as part of my response to Hunter – I think to Hunter's question of why is there, if there's – to the extent there's a disconnect, it's that. And I think I tried to say that, but I didn't articulate that point. The focus on near-term PRASM, I think we look at, I think investors look at that and think, my gosh, if oil prices go up, what's this going to look like? And we believe if oil prices go up, it won't look like this. So I think that's as much as anything and I should have made that more explicit in my response to Hunter.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
And I guess just taking a step back from PRASM, if you're just looking at the sequential revenue trends, just passenger revenue sequentially, with a very low but still modestly higher fuel price, I'd say we're still kind of waiting for that inflection. And so I think it's just a timing issue, would be my guess.
J. Scott Kirby:
Yes, particularly if you're looking at the second quarter, it will take into the third quarter. It has been a three-month to six-month lag because you start to see oil prices go up. You're not going to turn off the schedule tomorrow, but the next schedule change that you're looking out three months, four months in advance is where you start to prune that marginal flight out that made sense when oil was $35 a barrel, but no longer makes sense when oil is $50 a barrel.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thanks, guys.
William Douglas Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Helane Becker with Cowen and Company.
Helane Becker:
Thanks, operator. Good morning, guys. Thank you for the time. Doug, this is my question to you. When you think about the capacity adjustments that you guys have made over the last couple of years and markets in which you've reduced capacity, I get the sense that some of the lower-cost guys are coming in and backfilling that. And even on the North Atlantic, you're starting to see low-cost providers like Norwegian come in and backfill capacity that you guys have taken out. So don't you run the risk, if you shrink too much of giving up traffic share, that your traffic share winds up falling below your seat share in some of these markets?
William Douglas Parker:
Helane, thanks for addressing that to me, but Scott will probably end up doing most of the answering. But I'll answer from just the larger perspective. Of course, not. We don't look to seat share as a success factor. What we look to is where we're profitable. So to the extent what you're saying is true, which I'm not certain we'd agree with, but to the extent that was true, we would say we're not here to try and have a revenue share or to be the largest, we're here to be the most profitable and the best. So, if indeed that's the case, that we were unprofitable and we therefore reduced service to a market and it was later replaced by someone else, that's what's supposed to happen. We couldn't be profitable there, and someone else wants to give it a shot. That's what competition is. So I wouldn't be particularly concerned by that, but I'm also not certain we agree with the premise as much as stated. So, Scott, anything to add?
J. Scott Kirby:
Yes, look, our capacity decisions are about maximizing profitability. And when we're doing that, we do think about what the consequences of our capacity changes will be and what our competitors will do. And it would be naive not to think of that. For the most part, those two things are exactly the same. We assume our competitors are going to basically be doing what they're doing, regardless of us, and therefore our capacity decision is just about what is going to happen with our profitability and we're not looking at somebody's going to try to backfill it or market share changes. It's unusual to look at that. If there's one place that's become an exception to that, that we continue to reduce capacity here, it's been in South America where we could see just disaster, catastrophic numbers coming, and started to get ahead, or tried to get ahead of the curve on reducing capacity pretty significantly and saw a lot of competitors continue to grow double digits. Now the good news is that appears to have stopped. It's gotten bad enough in Brazil, in particular, that everyone is deciding to shrink. But I was frankly surprised at the competitive reaction in a place where you're having RASM declines of 40% two years in a row, to see that, but almost everywhere else we look at the world and just say, whatever's best for American Airlines is going to be the same no matter what the competitive response is.
Helane Becker:
Okay. Thank you. And then just on just sort of a maintenance-related item, on the maintenance costs being down 15%, I'm assuming that's with the new fleet and that's like a new run rate of a quarterly spend, or was there something in the quarter that made it be down more, given the shift in the fleet age, blah, blah, blah?
J. Scott Kirby:
Yes, no, part of it is that and then also there's some timing. It will be higher in the second quarter, but it's just timing of engine overhauls and aircraft overhauls in the first quarter. There were fewer there than there will be throughout the year.
Helane Becker:
Okay. Thank you very much.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, Helane.
Operator:
We also ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. We'll go next to Darryl Genovesi with UBS.
Darryl Genovesi:
Hi, guys. Thanks for the time.
William Douglas Parker:
Hey, Darryl.
Darryl Genovesi:
So just to follow up on some of the comments you made around what you think is investors' concern about revenue perhaps decoupling from oil in the longer-term. And I just wonder how you sort of apply that logic to today, right? Because if we just were to think about, for instance, the domestic environment in the second quarter, you saw about a 6.5% revenue decline domestically, and I appreciate that DPIJ is probably playing a role, but maybe you still have a mid-single-digit decline in your unit revenue in Q1. And that saw an industry capacity growth number that's adjusted for leap year and a domestic market of about 5%. And so if I were to go back and look historically, domestic airline revenue has grown at something like U.S. nominal GDP. So if you have kind of a low, sort of, single-digit, low single-digit to mid-single-digit underlying revenue trend as a result of just general economic activity and you couple that with a 5% supply growth number, then I guess I would have expected something more like a low single-digit kind of RASM decline as opposed to a mid-single digit RASM decline. So just, I guess – sorry for a little long-winded question, I think the worry here isn't so much that capacity decisions have decoupled from fuel, it's more that pricing seems to have decoupled from what's going on with capacity. And I think we're all just struggling to understand that.
J. Scott Kirby:
Yes, look, I understand the concern. The first quarter, I guess, across the industry domestically was weaker than I think you would have thought fundamentals would suggest. For us, consolidated domestic RASM was down 5.3%, I think you referred to the mainline number. But a 5% PRASM decline, even if a couple of points of that is coming from DPIJ, I thought it was better. I really do think, I think it was the first question on the call I'd go back to, I think there were two big things that caused the first quarter to be worse than it otherwise would have been. One was the temporary change in the pricing structure, where AAdvantage fares were gone and now they're back; and second was we had a drop in corporate travel demand mid-quarter that coincided with a decline in the stock market. And we've seen that happen before and it comes back. That's the bad news. The good news is as we've moved into April, close-in demand, as those two things have changed, close-in demand actually has picked up pretty well. So our fingers are crossed that we're going to be back to a more normal trend line of the relationship between supply, demand and revenue.
Darryl Genovesi:
Okay. Thanks for that. And then, I guess, Doug, I know you don't have as much of a crystal ball as maybe we expect you to sometimes, but a couple of quarters ago on your Q3 call, oil was at kind of a similar level as it is today, maybe $1 or $2 a barrel more expensive, but generally in the same ballpark. And at the time, you said you thought that there was a reasonable potential that margins would be down this year, but that you would expect a pretty good opportunity for margin expansion in 2017. Just wondering if that's still the way you view the world.
William Douglas Parker:
Yes, Darryl, look, what I know I said, and I'm not arguing the way you characterized it, but I don't want to get into the business of forecasting margins from year-to-year. At the time, what we were talking about was a real concern on people's part that, indeed, you might see declines in 2016 versus 2015 and at least articulated by some as a concern that we had peaked as an industry. And what I was trying to point out at that time was that wasn't our view. Indeed what I said was – we believed and what I said, I'm pretty sure, was 2015 had this phenomenon of incredibly quickly falling fuel prices that fell so fast that capacity couldn't catch it. And in a sense, the 2015 results, because of that, were higher than one would expect them to be in the long-term. So while you might see, therefore, declines into 2016 and margins, you shouldn't view that as the industry had peaked. Rather you should view that as kind of a one-time spike in margins in the industry and that they would normalize in 2016 to a level higher than 2014, which by the way, it appears they're going to. And therefore, one shouldn't assume that they would continue to fall from 2016 into 2017. So I think all that's still true, but I'm not going to try and make a forecast on 2017 for you because I don't know. But that's what I was trying to point out, that 2015 – the fact that 2016 was going to be lower than 2015, which it's turned out to be, I certainly wouldn't view as some sort of cyclical issue as opposed to rather than this kind of spike that we had in 2015.
Darryl Genovesi:
Okay. Thanks very much, guys. Appreciate the time.
William Douglas Parker:
Sure.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Savanthi N. Syth:
Hey, good morning. I know you've provided a little bit of this color in part as the trans-Atlantic and the domestic market, but I wonder if you could walk through a little bit about the potential progression or just the headwinds and the tailwinds by region, assuming current demands and oil trends persist.
J. Scott Kirby:
Sure, so expect the trans-Atlantic to get a little worse, and actually all other regions to get a little better. So domestic, our forecast is for it to get better, moving into the second quarter, same for Pacific, not a lot but a little better, and same for Latin. Latin is really based on the comps are getting a lot easier, but all regions with the exception of the Atlantic getting modestly better in the second quarter than the first quarter.
Savanthi N. Syth:
And as you look to the second half?
J. Scott Kirby:
Second half, we don't have a precise forecast, but I think that the trend will continue that all regions will get better in the second half, all four regions will continue to progress better, because the capacity environment progresses better I think in the third quarter and fourth quarter, and as a result, I expect every one of those regions to continue to sequentially improve from the second quarter to the third quarter to the fourth quarter.
Savanthi N. Syth:
Got it. And then if I might ask, apologize if I missed this, but you've been making investments in improving operations particularly in Dallas, I believe. I just wondering if you could give an update on how that's progressing and maybe what more might be needed.
Robert D. Isom:
Hi, this is Robert Isom. Yes, we've been making considerable investments, and seeing payoff, and as Scott noted in his opening remarks, the best indication of that is operating performance in terms of departing and arriving on time and also baggage performance, as well. So the corresponding impact of that is obviously fewer misconnected passengers and misconnected and lost bags as well. Completion factors are higher. A lot of that is a result of investments that we've made that have been put in place in regard to ground equipment, process changes, people, and then as we look forward into the future, you're going to see some benefits from technology changes as well that will really help as we try to tackle issues when operational disruptions occur. So, all positive on that front.
Savanthi N. Syth:
Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
We'll go next to Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Michael Linenberg:
Hey, guys, good morning. Just two quick ones here. To Scott, I guess, Derek in his opening remarks talked about certain domestic markets seeing competitive pressures and driving lower revenue. You called out Dallas. What are some of the other hot spots in the market? And then just with respect to close-in demand in April, I know you said that it's picking up. Is that more of a function of volumes or are you also seeing better close-in demand yields? Are we still seeing corporate travel demands under pressure? Thanks.
J. Scott Kirby:
So, I guess from a capacity perspective, Dallas is the only place that I'd call out domestically, but it's also one of our best performing year-over-year hubs. I think it just would have been really, really good. Dallas economy, despite energy, is doing well. And I think it would have been really gangbuster had it not been for the large capacity growth here in the DFW – or in Dallas, actually mostly at Love Field. It wasn't at DFW. And what was the second part of the question? I forgot.
Michael Linenberg:
Just on, you talked about close-in demand picking up in April.
J. Scott Kirby:
Oh, yes.
Michael Linenberg:
And the question is, is that really more volumes are picking up? Or are you seeing improvement in yield? Because our sense is that yields are under pressure because of waning corporate travel (1:10:41)
J. Scott Kirby:
Yes, we are not seeing a pickup in yield. It is improvement, it's certainly improvement in volume. But it's the revenue environment, the booked revenues, are also improving relative to where they were in February and March. In February and March, we had the same yield issue that we have right now, so that's really was no different, but we also had weak volumes. So we still have weak year-over-year yields, but unlike February and March where we had weak year-over-year yields and weak year-over-year volumes, at least now we have higher year-over-year volumes.
Michael Linenberg:
Great. Thanks for the clarification. Thanks, guys.
William Douglas Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, at this time we would like to open up the floor for questions from the media. We'll take our first question from Andrea Ahles with Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
William Douglas Parker:
Hello, Andrea.
Andrea Ahles:
Hi. Hello, Doug, good morning.
William Douglas Parker:
Morning.
Andrea Ahles:
Scott, I was wondering if you could actually elaborate a little bit more on what you were talking about with Dallas and the capacity that's gone on at Love Field. I mean since September was sort of when you think it's going to stabilize, but can you talk about are your yields doing well at DFW? Or are you still seeing sort of what you were mentioning sort of the weak demand that you had in February and March?
J. Scott Kirby:
Yes, fares are lower in Dallas than they were last year. And the growth at Love Field, the last big tranche of growth was September of last year, and so when we get to September this year, we will have overlapped the growth. But fares are lower in Dallas. It's a great time if you're a traveler in Dallas to get out and go somewhere. There's some really attractive prices.
Andrea Ahles:
And with the Advantage fares that you'd said were not in the market the past few months, are they now back in the market particularly in the DFW area?
J. Scott Kirby:
They are. They are.
Andrea Ahles:
They are? All right, thank you.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, Andrea.
Operator:
We'll go next to Susan Carey with The Wall Street Journal.
Susan Carey:
On the AAdvantage fare thing, can I just, can you remind me, I thought that was, like, a proprietary thing that US Airways had, which was sort of a cheaper ticket for via a connection, but you're talking about it almost like it's a generic thing now. Could you explain that to me?
J. Scott Kirby:
It is a generic thing now. You described it correctly. It is when a connecting carrier offers a lower price than the non-stop carrier, the rationale being that an inferior product from a customer's perspective. A customer would rather fly non-stop, and they were offering a lower price, that's something that US Airways uniquely did. We brought that to American Airlines after the merger, and when we did that, our large competitors copied us, and so now it is, you called it a generic thing, but it is really systematic and exists virtually everywhere that there's non-stop service in the U.S.
Susan Carey:
And so then to follow up, Scott, you said those fares went away for basically the entire...
J. Scott Kirby:
For almost three months.
Susan Carey:
First quarter. And again, what was the reason those fares went away?
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, I have to be careful talking about the rationale. But we've had them in place for over a decade. We're in a world with lots of low fares in lots of other places and we wanted to see what would happen. We had lots of other low fare alternatives. When we first started the program we had fewer low fare alternatives. There's lots of other low fare alternatives in place today and so we wanted to see what would happen if we kind of did a reset. It looked like that the results were actually negative, but before we could pull the trigger on changing it, one of our competitors put it back in place ahead of us, so presumably they saw something similar.
Susan Carey:
Super. Thank you.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Mary Schlangenstein from Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Scott, I wanted to see if you could just clarify for me on the basic and premium economy. I thought that originally you'd said we'd see that in the second half of this year and then earlier today you said next year. Is that a change in timing or is that just a change in like you'll talk about the details this year, but it won't be in place until next year?
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, we hope to roll out basic economy this year. It will be towards the end of this year. I said second half, but it will be towards the end of the year. But what I was saying on the call is the impact of that, the revenue impact of that, will be a 2017 effect, so even if we rolled it out, even though we still plan to roll out basic economy this year, it really won't affect our revenues until 2017.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay, great. Thank you.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from David Koenig with The Associated Press.
David Koenig:
Hi, just real quickly I think, Scott, you mentioned that some of the changes in the multi-city ticketing, the pricing had been rolled back. Has American received any communication, written, verbal or otherwise, from regulators indicating that they were looking into those changes?
J. Scott Kirby:
Not to my knowledge.
David Koenig:
Okay. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, David.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Jeffrey Dastin with Reuters.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Thanks for taking the question. Have leisure or corporate bookings to Charlotte slowed since the North Carolina transgender law passed?
J. Scott Kirby:
I haven't actually looked at it to give you an answer.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Fair enough. And then a separate question, then, notwithstanding American's large order book, might it have any interest in purchasing the new 737 variant that Boeing is said you'd be considering? And how would you compare this to any interests you might have in the C Series?
J. Scott Kirby:
I think we have a full order book right now.
Jeffrey Dastin:
But in terms of potential interest years down the line, or you can't say?
J. Scott Kirby:
Look, we've got lots of other stuff going on. We're not going to be placing an aircraft order in the near-term, so it's not something we're working on.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Great. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, Jeffrey.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Edward Russell with Flightglobal.
Edward Russell:
Hi, thank you for taking my question this morning. On the (77:33) application you submitted last night, I think there was a bit of a surprise that you guys didn't seek JFK. Perhaps you could give some rationale on why you chose DFW as the second market versus JFK?
J. Scott Kirby:
We thought it was the best market for American to serve. It's our largest hub. Being able to serve the preferred airport in Japan from our largest hub is high on our priority list, so it was just the most rational choice for us.
William Douglas Parker:
And by far the best for consumers, because of all that connectivity. The application is so much stronger from DFW because we connect people all over the United States into this very large hub of ours.
Edward Russell:
Great, thank you very much. And one follow-up, any updates on Cuba and when you might be hearing back about those route authorities?
J. Scott Kirby:
I don't think we know.
Stephen L. Johnson:
I don't think we know for sure. I expect the DOT will issue an order with respect to service to all the cities other than Havana in the next few weeks, maybe even sooner than that, but they haven't given us an indication about when the Havana order would come out, but I'm guessing sometime in the summer.
Edward Russell:
Great. Thank you very much.
William Douglas Parker:
That was Steve Johnson.
Edward Russell:
Okay, thank you.
Operator:
We'll go next to Ted Reed with TheStreet.
William Douglas Parker:
Hey, Ted.
Ted Reed:
Hey, Doug. Thanks. I have a couple of quick things. First of all, typically Charlotte has been on your list of well performing hubs and it was not on the list this time. Why is that?
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, it's a great hub and it does really well, but it wasn't the highest year-over-year.
Ted Reed:
Okay, thank you. Secondly, there's a couple of surveys coming out, or have come out, that show much higher or improving passenger satisfaction with the airline industry in the past year or so. What do you attribute that to, higher passenger satisfaction?
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, look, we, at American, are running a much better operation. We're investing in our product. We're investing in customer service. And I think we're generally on a trend of from a customer perspective things are getting better.
William Douglas Parker:
And in relation to the industry, Ted, this is what we suggested would happen as we got to an industry that could serve customers better. As we got through the consolidation of U.S. carriers to still be an incredibly competitive business, but one that could provide the utility customers wanted to take to have an airline – a series of airlines that could take customers everywhere they want to go. That's one that's much better utility for the customer and it also puts us all in a position of competing much more on the in-flight product and on reliability than simply on where we fly and others don't. So, in a world where a number of us can take customers anywhere around the globe, what matters more than it used to, and how you compete for high-value customers that can use any of those carriers, the product matters even more than it did before and you're seeing investments in that.
Ted Reed:
Okay, thank you. A last thing, if I were to write this story now, I would write that American Airlines seems to have so much money it doesn't know what to do with it all. Is that fair that you're able to spend so much money (80:56) is it fair to say that?
William Douglas Parker:
It would be an incorrect headline, Ted. What I would say is, the team at American Airlines is doing an excellent job of running the airline, getting two airlines integrated, taking care of their customers and the result of that is that they're profitable. And the result of those profits is primarily being used to invest in its product and its team because its team is critical to its product, and those results are paying off. And the future of American looks really bright. As a result of that, the industry's been transformed. American Airlines has been transformed and you should expect to see more of that in the future. But, businesses are supposed to be profitable and ours is, and we expect to continue it to be. And to the extent we can generate profits and use those to continue to put in the product and take care of our team, and then to the extent we generate even more than that, that gets returned to shareholders. So it's what business is supposed to do and we're happy to actually be in that position now versus where airlines have been in the past. It's a longer headline I know, but it's the right one.
Ted Reed:
Thank you. I appreciate it all.
Operator:
And that concludes our question-and-answer session. At this time, I would like to turn it back over to our speakers for any additional or closing remarks
William Douglas Parker:
We have no additional or closing remarks other than thank you very much for your time and attention, and thanks again, bye.
Operator:
And, ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude the first quarter earnings conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
Executives:
Dan Cravens - IR Doug Parker - CEO Derek Kerr - CFO Robert Isom - COO Scott Kirby - President Elise Eberwein - EVP of People and Communications Maya Leibman - Chief Information Officer Steve Johnson - EVP of Corporate Affairs
Analysts:
Julie Yates - Credit Suisse Jamie Baker - JPMorgan Hunter Keay - Wolfe Research Savi Syth - Raymond James Mike Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Darryl Genovesi - UBS Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI Helane Becker - Cowen & Company Joseph DeNardi - Stifel Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley Dan McKenzie - Buckingham Research Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star Telegram Susan Carey - Wall Street Journal Jeffrey Dastin - Reuters Dawn Gilbertson - Arizona Republic Edward Russell - Flight Global Ted Reed - TheStreet
Operator:
Good morning and welcome to the American Airlines Group Fourth Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we’ll conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And now, I’d like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Dan Cravens:
Thanks, Anthony, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group fourth quarter 2015 earnings conference call. Joining us on the call this morning is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Scott Kirby, President; Derek Kerr, Chief Financial Officer also in the room for the question-and-answer session is Robert Isom, our Chief Operating Officer; Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications; Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer and Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs. As is our normal practice, we’re going to start the call today with Doug, and he will provide an overview of our fourth quarter and 2015 financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter, and provide some details on our 2016 guidance. Scott will then follow with commentary on the revenue environment and our operational performance. And then after we hear from those comments, we’ll open the call for analyst questions and lastly questions from the media. Before we begin, we must state that today’s call does contain forward-looking statements including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecasts of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning in our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2015. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning such as net profit and CASM excluding unusual items. A reconciliation to those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, and that can be found on our website at aa.com. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information that we’re giving you on the call is as of today’s date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thank you again for joining us this morning. And at this point, we’ll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thank you, Dan, and thanks, everybody, for being on. We’re pleased to report our fourth quarter and full year results for 2015. It’s hard to imagine just two years ago this American Airlines was emerging from bankruptcy. But we were in the first year, the company produced record profits of $1.2 billion, including special items that was the record that we set in 2014, which was more than double than Americans had ever made in it’s past. This year we’ve exceeded that with the results being released day of $6.3 billion. So a new record, beating last year’s record for the quarter. A new record of $1.3 billion exceeded last year’s $1.1 billion. This is all the result of incredibly hard work and great work by 100,000 employees who are just doing a phenomenal job at taking care of customers, while we work through an integration, particularly as it relates to integration, it was just a year ago the big concern over that was whether or not -- was how much disruption this airline might put upon its customers as we worked through integration as early on we said in the past, we had difficulties, our team hit the ball out of the park. Accomplishing things like frequent flyer integration, single operating certificate, reservation system migration, all of those things done flawlessly and again great credit to really phenomenal team who is doing a great job. We still have a lot to do, we’re well aware of that, but we are well on our way to restoring American as the greatest airline in the world, our team is doing a phenomenal job, we’re extremely proud on the results. They’re produced and very pleased with our outlook given the position we have today. So with that said I will turn it over to Derek, who will give you a lot more details on the financials, and then Scott and I will follow with some other details primarily revenue related.
Derek Kerr:
Great. Thanks, Doug. Good morning, everybody. In our earnings release filed this morning we reported record earnings, as Doug said for both our fourth quarter and full year 2015. Excluding net special credits, our fourth quarter net profit was $1.3 billion or $2 per diluted share. This represents a $182 million improvement versus our fourth quarter 2014 net profit, excluding net special charges. Fourth quarter 2015 pre-tax margin, excluding net special charges increased 2.8 points year-over-year to a record 13.4%. Our 2015 net earnings excluding net special credits were up 50% year-over-year to $6.3 billion or $9.12 per diluted share and this compares to 2014 net profit excluding net special charges of $4.2 billion or $5.70 per diluted share. Our 2015 pre-tax margin excluding net special charges increased by 5.5 points to a record 15.3%. Total capacity for the fourth quarter of 2015 was $65.5 billion ASMs, up 0.6% from the same period in 2014 and mainline capacity for the quarter was 58.1 billion ASMs, up 0.5%. Regional capacity for the quarter was up 1.4% to 7.31 billion ASMs. In 2015, we did continue our fleet renewal program by investing more than 5.3 billion in new aircraft, providing the company with the youngest and most modern fleet of the U.S. network airlines. In 2015 the company took delivery of 75 new mainline aircraft while retiring 112 aircraft and the company also added 52 regional aircraft to its fleet while we removed 31 regional aircraft from the fleet. This program will continue in 2016 when we take delivery of 55 new mainline aircraft while adding 49 regional aircraft. We expect to remove 92 mainline aircraft and 29 regional aircraft from our fleet in 2016. With these new deliveries our mainline average age will drop below ten years further widening the age gap between American and our network peers. Recently we've reached in agreement with Airbus, we deferred two of the six 2017 A350 aircraft deliveries to 2020. These deferrals should help us to match the space of wide body deliveries to our projected needs for international flights. This new schedule still has taking four A350s next year as we remain in the North American launch customer. Our fourth quarter 2015 revenue was negatively impacted by large capacity increases in certain domestic part segments as well as weaker yields in international markets due principally to foreign currency devaluation. Lower surcharges and continued economic softness in Latin America also contributed to the decline in revenue. For the quarter total operating revenues were 9.6 billion down 5.2% year-over-year. Passenger revenues were 8.3 billion down 5.4%, driven by 8.9% lower yields on a 0.6% increase in system capacity. Cargo revenues were down 17.3% due primarily to a 15.5% decline in yields and other operating revenues were relatively flat at $1.1 billion. Total RASM in the fourth quarter was $14.71 down 5.8%, driven principally by a decline in passenger RASM, which was $12.69, as Dough stated Scott will give us more detail on our revenue performance. Consistent with the first nine months of 2015, our fourth quarter financial results continue to reflect a significant savings from our -- the year-over-year declining in fuel prices. Our average mainline fuel price including taxes for the fourth quarter of 2015 was $1.50 per gallon, a 40.6% decline from $2.52 per gallon in the fourth quarter last year. Total operating expenses were $8.6 billion down 7.9% versus the same period last year due primarily to the decrease in consolidated fuel expense. Operating expenses excluding net special charges in the fourth quarter of 2015 were $8.1 billion down 8% year-over-year, driven by lower fuel cost fourth quarter mainline cost per ASM excluding special charges was $11.48, down 8.3% year-over-year, if you exclude net special charges and fuel, our mainline cost per ASM was $9.22, up 6.3%. This increase was due primarily to contractual rate increases for our new labor agreements. Our regional operating cost per ASM, excluding net special charges and fuel, was $16.01 for the fourth quarter, an increase of 1.5%. Total consolidated CASM in the fourth quarter was up 5.5% due principally to the contractual labor increases mentioned earlier and the increased flying under capacity purchase agreements. We entered the fourth quarter with approximately $8.7 billion in total available liquidity comprised of cash and investments of $6.3 billion and $2.4 billion in undrawn revolver capacity. The company also has our restricted cash position of $695 million. These balances reflect the full write down of $592 million of Venezuela bolivars. During the fourth quarter of 2015, we did generate $674 million in cash flow from operations which is adjusted for the write down of Venezuela bolivars and paid $332 million in scheduled debt payments. In the fourth quarter the company returned approximately 1.2 billion to its shareholders through the payment of 72 million in quarterly dividends and the repurchase of 1.1 billion of common stock or 25.6 million shares. When combined with the dividends and shares repurchased during the first three quarters of 2015, the Company returned approximately 3.9 billion to its shareholders in 2015 and reduced its shares outstanding by 85.1 million shares. In addition, in 2015 the company elected to pay approximately 306 million to cover employee tax withholding obligations on equity awards, further reducing the share count by 7 million. Despite volatility in the capital markets during January 2016, the company was able to secure attractive financing rates to fund a portion of its aircraft deliveries. Earlier this month, the company issued approximately 1.1 billion in enhanced equipment trust certificates and a blending coupon of just under 4%. The proceeds from this financing were used to fund aircraft deliveries in 2015. As we indicated on our third quarter call. We would like to provide you with our views on liquidity and leverage. Looking forward, 2016 and ’17 will be a peak period for capital expenditures as we spend approximately 4.5 billion on our fleet renewal program. Beginning in 2018 however, our aircraft CapEx will decline from 4.5 billion to approximately 3 billion each year. Our 2016 and ’17 non-aircraft CapEx guidance is 1.2 billion each year and we expect this to decline to an annual rate of approximately 800 million starting in 2018, as we complete integration of our internal systems. In today’s earnings and interest rate environment liquidity is the first and most important metric we look at. We ended the year with 8.7 billion in available liquidity, which is more than we believe is required to run the airline. But given our leverage we believe it is important to retain liquidity levels higher than our network peers. So we plan to maintain an industry leading liquidity level of at least 6.5 billion for the foreseeable future. As to leverage, under our current plan, we expect our primary metric such as net debt to EBITDA to peak in 2016 and then begin declining each year going forward as our CapEx budget declines. Turning now to our 2016 guidance, we’re forecasting overall system schedule capacity growth to be up approximately 3% with full year the capacity growth of approximately 2%. While international capacity is expected to be up approximately 6% primarily growth in the Pacific. By quarter mainline capacity breaks down as follows 57.4 billion ASMs in the first quarter, 63.4 billion in the second, 65.1 billion in the third and 58.8 billion in the fourth. Regional capacity each quarter is 7.48 billion in the first, 8.29 billion in the second, 8.69 billion in the third and 8.46 billion in the fourth. For the full year 2016, we are forecasting year-over-year total CASM ex-special items and fuel to be up approximately a 0.5% to 2.5%. This does not include the effect of labor deals currently being negotiated, but does include all contracts that have been ratified. Mainline CASM excluding special items and fuel is projected to be up approximately 1% to 3%, while regional CASM excluding special items and fuel is projected to be down 4% to 5%. By quarter mainline CASM should be up 1% to 3% for each of the four quarters. Regional CASM excluding special items and fuel, we believe the first quarter to be approximately flat and the second to fourth quarter down approximately 5% to 7%. Based on the fuel curve as of January 27th, we expect to see another year with significant fuel savings. Well other airlines are just beginning to realize these savings we have directly benefited from lower fuel prices due to our lack of fuel hedges. We are forecasting our 2016 consolidated fuel price to be in the range of $1.20 to $1.25 per gallon. The first quarter is expected to be a $1.15 to $1.20, second a $1.16 to $1.21, third a $.1.21 to $1.26 and fourth a $1.25 to $1.30. While it’s still very early in the year based on these prices we expect our 2016 consolidated fuel expense to improve by approximately 2 billion year-over-year. Using the midpoints of guidance, we have provided along with the PRASM guidance as Scott will give, we expect our first quarter pre-tax margin, excluding special items to be between 12% and 14%. For taxes, as of December 31, 2015, the company had approximately 8 billion of federal net operating losses and 4 billion in state NOLs. Substantially all of which are expected to be available in 2016 to reduce future federal and state taxable income. The company expects to recognize a provision for income taxes beginning in 2016 at an effective rate of approximately 38%, which will be substantially non-cash as a result of having reversed the valuation allowance at the end of the fourth quarter of 2015. In terms of CapEx, I talked about it a little bit, but we expect total gross aircraft CapEx in ’16 to be approximately 4.5 billion, of which 1.2 billion will be in the first quarter. Full year, we expect to invest 1.2 billion in non-aircraft CapEx, which included many investments to improve our product and operation. We also expect to make 2.4 billion in debt payments throughout the year. In conclusion, thanks to the efforts of our more than 100,000 team members 2015 was another tremendous year for American Airlines. We successfully completed several integration milestones made significant investments in our product, our people and our fleet, all the while producing record earnings. We look forward to another great year in 2016. Thank you for your time and I'll pass it over to Scott for comments on the revenue side.
Scott Kirby:
Thanks, Derek. And I'd like to start by thanking all the people of American Airlines for really fantastic job that they've been doing in some unusually difficult weather conditions lately. The people of AA continue to make great operational progress in the fourth quarter and throughout 2015 with improvements in an almost all of our operating metrics. It seems like long time ago but it was just during the fourth quarter that we completed the most successful reservation system cut-over in airline history. Thanks again to the team for such a smooth cut-over. And now as the rev system migration is behind us, the team has numerous initiatives underway to further improve our operational performance for our employees and customers. On the revenue front our fourth quarter PRASM was down 5.4%, domestically consolidated PRASM was down 3% and we saw the strongest year-over-year performance in Charlotte, the second strongest domestic performance was in DFW and that's in spite of all the capacity that has been added here. The weakest performance was in Miami, although that's a really a function of declining connecting revenues coming from South America. Internationally, the strong U.S. dollar and declining international fuel surcharges account for 2.4 points of our total system PRASM decline. The Atlantic was our best performing international region with PRASM down 7%. Across the Pacific, PRASM was down 10% with weakness in both Japan and China, the positive year-over-year PRASM in South Korea and Hong Kong. Latin PRASM was down 17%, but as it’s been for a while now that weakness is concentrated in Brazil and Venezuela where PRASM was down 40% and 59% respectively. Looking forward, the factors driving year-over-year PRASM declines remains very similar to last two quarters. Schedule capacity remains elevated in all regions, in Q1 we’ll actually see higher capacity growth than any quarter we saw last year. As we move into the second quarter and the back half of the year however, we expect capacity growth rates to moderate each quarter, while we're now overlapping some of the moves in the dollar from last year, the dollar does continue to strengthen against many currencies around the world, such as the Brazilian real. We project that currency and surcharge decline will impact system PRASM by 1.7 points in Q1 which is down from the 2.4 points in Q4. As we experienced throughout 2015, we continue to see significant year-over-year competitive growth in dollar and we won't see that moderate until the fourth quarter. In the economy currencies and revenue environment in Brazil and Venezuela continues to deteriorate. We still don't realistically expect any improvement in South America until the Brazilian economy turns around. Given all this we expect our system PRASM to decline 6% to 8% year-over-year in the first quarter though as I said, we expect to see smaller declines in 2Q and beyond. In conclusion, we passed a significant integration milestone in the fourth quarter. American Airlines team has done a great job, running the airline and we're busy making further improvement to be operation and product, now that we’re passed that integration hurdle. Revenue environment remains challenged by the same factors that we experienced in 2015, but we expect the first quarter to mark the bottom and the rest of the year is to see inflection in revenue results.
Dan Cravens:
Alright. Operator, we are ready for questions. Thanks Derek. Thanks Scott.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Julie Yates with Credit Suisse.
Julie Yates:
So, its look like in the fourth quarter you guys retained about 20% of the fuel benefit, how are you thinking about the retention rate in 2016 of that expected 2 billion of incremental savings and whether that changes versus what we saw in Q4, seems like we'd have to see let down in the pricing environment order to keep pace with the tailwind that’s from the recent decline in crude.
Scott Kirby:
I guess bit up early. I don't think about it as retention rate, that's an output, not what we're trying to drive to or trying to maximize revenue and maximize earnings in any given environment, and we feel pretty good about eight straight quarters of record profitability at the airline, we feel good about the trajectories that we're on in terms of getting the integration done, now that we're past the integration, it does give us the opportunity to start utilizing more synergies but also moving the ball forward in terms of our operations and in terms of revenue enhancements doing things like basic industry [ph] and economy and we grew the fire program, all kinds of other program. So we're focused on maximizing revenue and maximizing earnings into the environment, it is true that what we have seen and everyone has seen that when oil prices go up, you supply go up and as a result that puts pressure on airfares, which put pressure on RASM, I expect that the reverse will happen as well, that when you see -- if oil prices go up that you will see airfares go up as well. But we are focused on maximizing earnings as opposed to trying to artificially manage to some retention rate.
Julie Yates:
Okay, understood. Scott, is there anymore granularity you can offer just on the potential impact of segmenting your capital further in terms of timing or magnitude to revenues?
Scott Kirby:
We don’t, I probably won’t give you a really good answer yet. Because we know it will be the second half of the year before we can roll out of the first phase of what we’re playing to do with our basic economy product and premium economy product out. And we’ll have more to come as we get better details around what the attributes of that product will be and exact timing. But it’s sometime in the second half of the year. But it is something that we’re really excited about and I think it’s transformative maybe too strong in the world. But at least a significant, I think as the change to ancillary revenue was back in the 2008 timeframe. And so we’re really quite excited to move forward on those initiatives. But it will be later this year before they’re rolled out and it will really be 2017 before you see a meaningful impact on revenues.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie Baker:
Follow-up I guess to Julie, the implementation of the Q1 guide is that every single dollar of year-on-year fuel savings. In the first quarter is going to be handed back to employees and passengers. I suppose the good news is that you’ve got company adjusting for new labor, united the situation there is equally grim. I’m not debating the significance of your proper production Scott, you shared your optimism that higher fuel could lead the higher improved PRASM. But shouldn’t an integrating network be showing positive relative outperformance to the peer set, as opposed to going the offset way. I mean that doesn’t this also imply that integration synergies are just non-existing?
Scott Kirby:
I don’t think so. And look in 2015 is the network carriers, we actually had the highest profit margin of any of them, which is a pretty good result for your second year and we’re going to have less year-over-year benefit in the first quarter from a margin perspective and others, because we didn’t lose billions of dollars last year hedging fuel. So that affects the year-over-year comparisons. As we talked about last earnings call, you got to look at all the other factors that are going on. So I think we are realizing synergies and are realizing benefit, but we don’t have a new credit card deal some of the others have. We are exposed to what’s happened in Dallas, plus huge increases in capacity and in particular we’re exposed to Brazil. I mean an amazing statistic in Brazil. The first month after the merger closed Brazil was 6.1% of the combined airlines revenue. In November, it was 2% of our revenue. Just massive declines in both Brazil and Venezuela, Venezuela was something like 2.5% and that’s 0.5% or something now. So just massive decline those things don’t have anything to do with integrations, but they do effective the relative results and so if you want to try to look at high level data to figure out how we’re performing on relative basis, I think you probably have to adjust or those things. But in any event having the best margins of any of the network carriers in 2015, two years into the merger, I think it’s a pretty good metric for how we’re doing.
Jamie Baker:
Second question maybe for Doug on operations and I won’t mince words here, Delta is absolutely crushing it and they’re doing it with a fleet that’s older than yours with hubs that are also proven to nasty meteorological conditions. I don’t have any background what so ever an operation. So pardon the ignorance of my question, but is it something about management, are there technological impairments, is it stuff that you inherited from standalone AMRs, something in the labor contracts, I’m not trying to be you up on reliability, I’m just trying to figure out that why if Delta can do it, why can’t everybody?
Doug Parker:
Yes, thanks Jamie. The biggest thing is we ran airlines through in 2015. Which is I can’t stress enough how much hard that is than running one airline. And we’re extremely proud of it of what we did and if you go look at what others did in their second year of post-merger, where our performance stands up to anybody and is better. So we were integrating and as we get through that, we will do better, but the fact that we were even ending in these considerations that with everybody else which we were, I think was phenomenal results by our people. Look, things like connecting baggage when so many of your customer are travelling on codeshare. Is much, much more difficult than when they’re all flying on one code. So those you’ll see it get better as we move into in 2016 and our goal is to be the best in all these areas and we got ways to go. We made great strides for an airline, there was running two airlines. And you will see us further improving 2016. Robert sitting here as well, you want to add on it
Robert Isom:
Jamie the only other thing I’d add is just -- look, we were disproportionally hit by weather and the vast majority of the completion factor difference between us and Delta is simply related to that. And of course with that is result in disruption as well. So we’re certainly as Doug said improving on all front and we think we’ve got a great plan going forward, no matter what comes our way.
Jamie Baker:
And I know you’re shy of giving targets, but is it a 2017-2018 event where we should look for potential parity with on dispatch reliabilities, something like that?
Scott Kirby:
I think the right thing to take a look at, is departing exactly on time. So departure within zero, you will see that, we are very, very close, it's not almost right on top of delta even today with all the difficulties that Doug described, that's really incredibly important metric and I think indicatively of where we're going to be headed. So, we're not in that far off and I think we're going to be closing the gap pretty quickly.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Hunter Keay:
Scott, last July you were right and you said that industry PRASM wouldn't be positive until at least the second half of -- I'm sorry the third quarter of '16. You said 1Q is the bottom and that was a American specific comment, but assuming flat fuel or fuel stays around here or whatever, would you care to maybe update that and extended through the end of 2016 absent a material change in fuel prices, that we're going to have negative industry PRASM property through the end of this year too?
Scott Kirby:
I'd prefer not to but I will because you asked, so look six months ago when I made that. Forecast isn't the right word but we're just say simple mathematical extrapolation of assume that demand environment doesn't change and I used to look out and see what the capacity environment looks like and supply was going to be growing faster than demand and so it seems like apparently obvious it’s unpopular at the time statements to me. As you pointed out and we've said, there is a for better or worse, an inverse relationship between fuel prices and revenues. So, when fuel prices go down, a lot of that gets passed on as benefit to the consumer and fairs go down. The reverse also happened when fuel prices go up, we see revenue go up because I made that original production in -- six months ago, we've seen a pretty big decline in fuel prices. So, I don’t have any data to suggest the demand has changed that all, but consistent with the view that you shared and I agree with that there a correlations with fuel prices and revenue and anything I'd say that was pushed up forecast back a quarter or two for when we turn to the point where PRASM is positive on a year-over-year basis. All that said, that's not really a forecast, that's not looking at data, I don’t have any data that’s better than yours and your forecast or anyone this call is equally as good as mine, it just assumes that the demand environment stays the same and in that environment I think just to move in oil would cause that date to push back, of course earnings would have gotten better because some of that benefit would have flown to the bottom line, if I had been projecting earnings six months ago, but just the decline in oil was likely to push that back by a quarters or two.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. Good and then this industry is also [indiscernible] Scott too or Doug. This industry has a track record of truly self-destructed behavior on pricing, whether we talk about American value pricing the 90s or dealt with simple fairs last decade. I think each one of those things were good idea, until they were bad idea when the operating environment changed. So, when I see advantage fairs, which is strategy now that your competitors seem to be adapting to -- I kind of worry about history repeating itself, so can you help me understand how advantage fairs might be different from some of those other thing and why we shouldn't view them as maybe pricing a pricing cancer that can only be undone for some sort of industry restructuring if say fuel prices go up again.
Scott Kirby:
Well, Hunter, look, there is a lot to low fares in the market, consumers are having a field say in this environment, particularly we’ll grow oil prices, whether it's there well fairs and but I usually like to answer all the question that I get asked on in earnings call, but on this one I'm going to [indiscernible] and does not make commentary about advantage fairs.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Savi Syth:
Good morning. Just one question on the domestic side and as I said unit revenue declines moderated here in the fourth quarter and I was just wondering if that was just a function of not -- your own capacity moderation or if you have seen improvements in either fair environment or how you are managing turret [ph].
Scott Kirby:
Look, I think broadly in the third and fourth quarters and again in to the first quarter, the environment remained broadly the same, there might be small puts and takes here and differences in storms and holidays peak, off peak. But broadly the environment has been the same for about the last environment about the same for the last six months and expected to remain somewhere in the first quarter.
Savi Syth:
Got it, thank you. And then just on going to that cabin segmentation, I was curious, what the technology investments would let you do that, just concurrently revenue management technology doesn't like to do?
Scott Kirby:
I'm not sure, I understand the question but to go to something that basic economy is a complete change to our distribution system, it's not really as your management issue is, when you go to aa.com to buy your ticket you need to be offered a base economy or regular economy or premium economy, first class fair and we're just not set up to sell that way. So, it's more about distribution probably than anything else for us.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Mike Linenberg:
Scott, you've talked about Venezuela and Brazil and I am just curious things have dramatically moved in Argentina as well and I think you're one of the carriers that are no longer taking, accepting Argentinean peso, I could be wrong on that with the devaluation, one, can you just -- can you give some color on that market, number one. Number two, do you have any cash that's in Argentina that obviously is subject to repatriate where there has been some sort of delay?
Scott Kirby:
Sure, we're actually accepting Argentinean pesos for ticket payment. There have been times in the past where we had stopped, where we became unable to repatriate cash and then we basically keep an amount of Argentinean pesos down there that's working capital, it’s in the $15 million to $25 million range and at the moment we're able to repatriate. We're also encouraged with the new administration, it won’t happen overnight but that they're making positive changes that’s going to set Argentina on the road to recovery.
Mike Linenberg:
The PRASM decline that you're seeing down there, I mean are they at a similar magnitude to what you’re seeing in Brazil, Venezuela now?
Scott Kirby:
No, Argentina is actually flattish in terms of PRASM and South America, other markets are down a little bit, but it is mostly Brazil and Venezuela. I mean those two markets haven't bottomed yet and continue to deteriorate, that's the bad news. The good news for us is as I said the amount of revenue exposure we have because it deteriorates so much has really declined and it is remarkable I think that was our 6% of our revenue and it’s dialed down in November 2% of our revenues. That’s an off peak month and a full year basis, it will be a little bit more than 2% which is -- it can only go to zero. And we've already experienced a part of the decline.
Mike Linenberg:
Thanks on that. And just over Derek, I guess a question on your regional cost forecast for the year, I mean it's down a lot and I am just curious is that state, is that gauge moving more to just larger regional jets, what's driving that?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, it's all driven by doing to large, gauge is up about 3.8% stage is up about 2.2%, so a lot of that increase is driven by that.
Operator:
Next question comes from Darryl Genovesi with UBS.
Darryl Genovesi:
I guess this one’s probably for Scott and Derek, I mean just on your synergy targets, can you just provide us an update of what do you think that the alternatives are on the revenue and cost side now and how much you've achieved and how much you expected to coming through in 2016?
Scott Kirby:
So I think on cost we’re largely there in the numbers already and yet to come on the revenue synergies the big ones that we said we would do were better connectivity once we got the single reservation system and when we first started the merger, we said the totals of that 300 million, made it culture [ph] in place between the two so we thought that was kind of a 150 million left to come most of which we expect to realize this year. And then another roughly 300 million of route swaps right airplane in the right market. We are just now starting to do that that really won't get fully ramped up probably until halfway through 2017. And we'll do more each month as each month goes along, but we won't beat the steady state for a couple of years on that one. I think the more interesting thing which is not technically a synergy is getting back to running the business and innovating that we were held up from doing because we all heads down focused on getting the integration done. So some of that is just blocking the attack money and whether it's an operation or revenue manage more IT, you have people who are depending on their job 50% of their time, working on the integration or more for some of them. It’s just doing their day job and getting back to the basics of yield management for example will be helpful, getting things implemented by new frequent flyer program, which will happen next year will be great, getting basic economy, premium economy done. Those are all things that we would have done already but have had the way. So that are technically synergies that I think are areas that create more upside for American Airlines than our competitors because we simply have a larger backlog of projects to get down because we were focused on integration for so long.
Darryl Genovesi:
And then I guess just wanted to follow up on some of your comments around capacity growth in your markets, when I look at, when I look at the schedule in Dallas in particular, I mean it looks like you guys were observing something like 17%-18% ASM growth in Dallas for last few quarters call out and that's dies down pretty quickly here and when I look at what scheduled this and growth in Dallas is in the kind of first half of the year Q1, Q2 that number looks like about 4%, so it looks about 15% point slowdown. So I guess, I just wondered, how that kind of fits within that context of some of the commentary that you've made earlier?
Scott Kirby:
Well, the capacity growth is still elevated in Dallas more than the rest of the system, through basically all of us this year. Once we get past all of this they’ll be coming down, they’re not as high as they were at this time last year. But they’re still adding a capacity growth rate of -- even if it’s 5% in Dallas versus 2% everywhere, it’s going to put incremental pressure on Dallas compare to the rest of the system. So higher than everywhere else even if it was double-digit last year. But the good news, that’s the bad news. The good news is we get to August and I think we get to a capacity environment in Dallas, that’s going to be below industry growth rates, because we will have overlapped all the growth at Love Field and it’s full.
Darryl Genovesi:
Okay. And then if I can just squeeze one last one in. To what extent this year does your RASM guidance contemplate things like the -- well I guess two things really -- winter weather, what we have seen so far, and then also the Zika virus potentially impacting bookings down into Latin America and the Caribbean?
Scott Kirby:
Neither is the answer. On the first point, we had really bad storm a week or two ago, but we had bad storms last year. So for now we’re just assuming those things will end up or being similar on a year-over-year basis. And as to the Zika virus, it’s obviously a little early to tell, if it will have any impact on travel, we certainly can’t see anything in our data yet. But unlike some other virus is that have had short term impact on our travel in the past, Zika is not airborne, so there’re not a danger of it being transmitted between passengers and so as yet, we haven’t seen a material change in bookings. For what it’s worth, it’d also being hard to tell very much, you’re looking at place like Brazil where RASM is already down 40%, trying to sort out and incremental decline, because of the virus I think would be hard for us to tell. But today we don’t see how much impact.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
As we think about your integration and potential synergies, wanted to get your thoughts on the capacity footprint of the combined entity. When we look back at Delta, and obviously that was a tougher backdrop, they were about 2% smaller a couple years post-merger. United, actually in a pretty strong part of the cycle, was about 7% smaller two years post integration, and yet you guys are growing in what feels like a weaker RASM environment, at least for you. So why does that make sense?
Doug Parker:
I think the comparisons are not accurate. If you look at what Delta did on their reductions, it was because oil price spiked to 145, and that thing wasn’t really a merger, it was oil price spiked to $145 barrels followed by the great recession and every airline including non-consolidated airlines to reduced capacity. At American, we feel pretty good about our hubs and the fact that they are complementary, we didn’t have dependent overlapping hubs that some others have, we didn’t have Cleveland sandwiched in between Chicago and New York for example. And so we feel pretty good about this level capacity that we have. Those airlines at the time they were reducing capacity, weren’t producing the highest margins of the network carriers and we are, we did at least in 2015. They weren’t producing 15% margins and in that environment, we don’t plan to have the significant change to our capacity plans.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. I wanted to follow-up on Hunter's question with respect to advantage fares. Can you talk about, and this might be something that you can't, but can you talk about the prevalence of those sort of currently relative to where we were three to six months ago? Because I actually feel like maybe there is -- they are less relevant now than they were.
Doug Parker:
I’m sorry, but no, I can’t.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. Thanks for the time.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Helane Becker with Cowen & Company.
Helane Becker:
On the A350 deferrals, is that just fuel related or financing related or why the deferrals?
Doug Parker:
No, no. Not at all Helane, it’s just trying to match-up wide body capacity that we have. In 2017, we have B787 deliveries and A350 deliveries. So we just wanted to do push out the delivery, straighten a little bit, but it as nothing to do with financing or anything of this sort. It’s just matching capacity to what we believe we can fly in 2017.
Doug Parker:
We have two, the other books at U.S. Airways and order book in America and you putting them together and they’re a little heavy out there, a little high on wide bodies in that timeframe, Helene, so it’s [multiple speakers].
Helane Becker:
Okay, great. And then my next question as on the balance sheet. What is the restricted cash specifically related to?
Doug Parker:
Mostly that is workers compensation.
Helane Becker:
Okay. And then also I think in the notes you talked about repaying the advantage loan. So when we -- so I was looking at that, you have got three -- and I wanted to ask about the advantage loan and if that is kind of a prelude to getting a new credit card agreement, A. And B, you look at the balance sheet and in the last year you have managed to improve debt to equity just on balance sheet from 8 to 3-ish, while still raising $2 billion in debt. And I am kind of wondering, I know you said that we can expect I guess an increase in debt financing going forward for the next two years. But can you just kind of put some meat on that bone with respect to how we should think about the balance sheet? Is there a target leverage ratio we should think about? And then on -- and then using the money from fuel cost savings, I think you said $6 billion in total liquidity. So, as you get above that should we think about that as being share repurchase programs?
Scott Kirby:
Well, I'll answer the first question then Doug will bead in on the second question, but the advantage payback happened early in '15 and really that was a loan on the previous at American Airlines on the previous credit card deals, so it has nothing to do with a new credit card deal, we were -- it had a rising interest rate over every month and it got higher than our 6% target of, as we said earlier that we want to pay-off any type of debt that is pre-payable and above 6% and we did that and we did it in early 2015. So it doesn't have anything to do with anything going forward, it was just debt on the books that we're able to pre-pay and we pre-paid that in early '15. And Doug, do you want to share
Doug Parker:
Sure, I'll answer that. On the -- on your I guess broad question kind of how do we look at the balance sheet, look as bullish as we are we know we want very much to make sure that we've managed the company in a way that we can withstand any large shock, so we think the best way to do that is to ensure we have a large cash balance on hand. Our minimum cash balance that Derek talked about that we have established somewhere around above $6.5 billion, as a minimum is higher than any other our large players. So, we're comfortable, we believe that's an important metric and one that we will continue to manage, we do end up as we're bringing on new airplanes and modernizing the fleet, we obviously -- that results into some capital out ways. In today's environment we can finance those at under a 4% and we don’t think it’s in our shareholders best interest to forego those rates. So we will, as long as those rates stay there we’ll continue to do that and if in fact over time they increase you may see us staring to pay cash, but it doesn't seem make any expense to doing thing but borrow at those rates. So that's what we've been doing, so I expect, we'd continue to do, what the result of that, as Derek said in his comments is the kind of metrics that we think make sense for in terms of looking at the balance sheet which are metrics such as like net debt to EBITDA and we expect some peak in 2016, and they’ll get better as you go forward because the amount of capital is going to decline. So, at any rate, that's where we are, we’re very comfortable with it, we believe, that's the best way to manage this, we don't think the right thing to do is use our cash to buy airplanes right now when we can borrow at 4%. And we believe the right thing to do is hold a higher level cash than our appears to offset the fact that we're going to have less collateral in terms of aircraft because we're going to be financing them, but put it all together we feel good about it, we think that's the best way to maximize -- to manage the balance sheet for our shareholders. The other thing that I probably should note, we haven’t had a chance to say it yet is that indeed how that are in fact bullish about the prospects here this is we noted that we purchase $1.1 billion of our shares in the quarter, that's because we continue to believe, they've a really good value. In the almost 30 years now that I’ve ran this business and I can't remember a bigger disconnect between what we're seeing in our airlines and in our forward prospects in what the markets and how the market is treating our stock. So, that we believe provides an opportunity to repurchase and that's where a lot of our cash is going to, we think it’s the right things. So, as long as the market provides that opportunity, we'll continue to do that. We'll make sure that we have, that we stay well above our minimum cash levels by doing that, but the airline is throwing off a lot of cash the market cap doesn't seem to be anywhere close to what the airline’s generating cash, so we’ll use the excess cash to repurchase shares and that will be a good thing for our investors as we move forward.
Helane Becker:
Thank you very much, Doug, for that comprehensive answer. I appreciate it. I just was kind of wondering, when you talk to investors or the team goes out and talks to investors and you talk about the disconnect you are seeing relative to what the market is interpreting, what are you hearing back that people like me maybe don't understand about your company as we look at it?
Doug Parker:
Helane I wouldn't suggest you didn’t understand it, I think this call so far is indicative of what we're hearing, you're not retaining it just going, the fairs are down because fuel prices are down and you're paying your employees more and it feels a lot to me anyway like focusing on the trees instead of the forest. And the reality is we are producing record profits that Scott said while now that margins that are higher than our peers And not just record profits, know this is record for us, I think it's the highest any airlines has ever produced and if you look, if you actually looked to the cash flow instead of wishing they were higher, I can't imagine how you think the stock is undervalued. We certainly don’t, so I think that's what the mess, I think people tend to look to expectation and say gee if oil’s at $30, last year it was at whatever how come therefore earnings aren't much higher, there are a lot of reasons for that, we’re happy to explain them. But if you went and built a model that said everything that happens in fuel price is going to result in higher earnings you of course are going to be disappointed. There is a real connection between fuel prices and pricing and indeed we've got an industry where people, where our employees have gone through incredibly difficult times and pay cuts that were going to be restored when they only got profitable and that's a good thing and we're really happy about that. So those things again I guess maybe we -- if anything maybe we missed by not explaining that we missed it by explaining if people don’t even understand those points, but as that one if people don't understand those points, but as Scott said also what it looks like, we really think it is business now that is some much dramatically different than anybody has ever before that they can't be, still figure it out. And every time you see things like oil prices went down and now wages are going up, here you guys go again. And nothing can be further from materials this is what happening as it's an industry that's beginning act like a real industry. And that’s natural people, that’s in a real time run rate kind of issue as opposed to I think what people think is going on, so look it all feels good to us, we are really-really bullish and like I said, never seen a bigger disconnect. In some sense that’s good, belongs we are throwing off excess cash and we’ll use that to buy back our shares, at these low rates. But there are investors who get it and we think they’ll do well.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Joseph DeNardi with Stifel.
Joseph DeNardi:
Doug, just kind of a follow on to the capital deployment question. Is there anything from a leverage or debt payment standpoint this year that would prevent capital returns to shareholders in ’16 to look like ’15?
Doug Parker:
Well, I am not sure I fully understand, what do you mean by the returns, you mean share repurchases?
Joseph DeNardi:
Share buybacks, yes.
Doug Parker:
Yes, of course there are, Things can be worse stock could get much closer to fair value. Please don't look at our -- at any time at our share repurchases activity as some programmatic number that you should expect to continue overtime. We do this based upon what we view as the prospect for the airline as well as what we believe the relative value the equity. So we're not -- this isn’t something we're -- It's the same amount every day we have Scott and Derek and with help us on our Board members look at this on a regular basis and decide where we think we should be purchasing based upon those factors I said. So a lot of things could cause it to change including the interest rate environment. If indeed we get to a point where it is becomes more expensive to borrowing against airplanes, we may decide to start paying cash for aircraft. So any of those things could change it. I don’t foresee any of those happening by the way, other that perhaps it will start getting closer to fair value. But nonetheless those are the inputs, earnings prospects interest rate -- the alternatives in terms of aircraft financing and our view of evaluation versus the market.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay. And then just on the balance sheet strategy longer-term, I mean I think if you look at the two other investment grade airlines, they both traded a premium to the group and you could debate as to why that is. But I am just wondering if not pursuing an investment grade rating do you think that will prevent you from benefiting from an eventual re-rating of the sector or otherwise negatively impact your valuation?
Doug Parker:
We don't of course look -- no is the answer. I think we as long as a company you do the right thing and I can't imagine anyone thinks the right thing for us right now out to forgo 4% financing on new aircraft and that's the decision you would make if you wanted to come to -- that's why you care about was driving toward an investment grade rating. We would not be borrowing a 4%. We have paid down all the high cost debt in the Company. We are investing into the airline everywhere we think make sense and it's billions and billions of dollar as you know and we're spending and improving this airline in a way that we think are going to provide really nice returns for our investors going forward. And again so that comes first then we go to pay down debt, then we look to make sure we have enough cash to go forward and if we have extra cash that belongs to you guys and we’re return it to you that's what we think the right way to do, we think that’s the best thing to do for our shareholders and I believe the market will indeed. reward that whether now or later, but that’s the right way to manage the cash generated from the company not to go trying to get some, look and the other point I really should make on this is I don't know what would happen if we got to that point. What I know is right now we’re borrowing at well below investment grade rates. So I’m not sure what benefit we'd get from getting that point. So look we care about the rating of course, we work well with the rating agencies. We just have a different view I think than some of our competitors about what the right way to manage, what the right leverage amounts are and it doesn’t make sense to us at this point. And again it’s also worth noting, but we are well into a fleet modernization program that the others have not begun. And one day will need to begin. But that also comes into play here. So as we bring on this debt, it really becomes an incremental question each time as we bring on these aircraft, how we’re going to pay for them and we continue to believe that these levels we should do that through debt financing not but using our cash.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Rajeev Lalwani with Morgan Stanley.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Just given all the headlines out there, can you talk about American's playbook in a downturn just given the order book that you have and the impact that would have on capacity and cash flows?
Doug Parker:
I can’t talk too specifically about it. But we feel like we would be able to manage through the downturn, using a lot of the same tools that we have in the past. This is a cyclical business so we know that there will be ups and downs. But we’re starting from a much better point, a much higher point in the cycle and while we will have cyclicality and know that in our recessionary environment earnings could decline. We’re starting from much better point and we can expect to remain profitable throughout the cycle and we’ll use the same time of tool that we have in the past respond, but we’ll just responding from a much stronger position than we have been able to historically.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Thanks. And just in terms of your updated capacity guide for the year, did that -- did I hear you correctly that that moved up above the midpoint and if so why?
Doug Parker:
Moved up about the midpoint of?
Rajeev Lalwani:
Just where you guided to as far as capacity growth for 2016 today versus before.
Doug Parker:
I think we have given 1 to 3 and we’re just at the high-end of the 3 for full year and it’s really driven by the international that we’re adding more international lines than what we had. But no big difference from what I had guided before.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Great. Thank you, gentlemen.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research.
Dan McKenzie :
Scott, there is a lot of macro noise just following up on some of the previous questions. What do you expect to see from corporate clients on business travel spend in 2016? And how much confidence would you place on that outlook today?
Scott Kirby:
Well, I don’t have particularly good crystal ball on it. But we saw pretty sizeable increases in volume and corporate traffic in the fourth quarter. And expect to see that to continue, our corporate customers are benefiting from a low-fare environment. So yields are also down, but at some point with the pricing environment will start to recover. But corporate demand seems strong from our perspective and growing has been all along, like all of our customers, they’re benefiting from lower yields right now, lower fares translating the lower yield. But my guess is that volume would remain strong and like the rest of the system we will start with the fares and yields recover and then move sequential through the quarters throughout the year.
Dan McKenzie :
Understood. And then I appreciate American is reporting record earnings here, but with respect to countries that have no foreseeable recovery, why not take a more aggressive approach to managing the business? And I am seeing American replace 777s with 787s, and so there is both an ASM and a margin impact from a more efficient aircraft type. So the implication is that there should be some improvement in margins looking ahead that tells a different story than the PRASM decline. So I am just wondering if you can talk about how you are managing your business to the regions that are just getting hit really hard right now.
Doug Parker:
Well, you’re talking about Brazil and Venezuela. And in Brazil, we’ve got our capacity 23% in the first quarter of ’16 versus ’14, we’ve cancel six markets entirely during that time period. But a wide margin, we’ve done more -- we’ve canceled more capacity than anyone else. I think probably every other carriers that flies between the U.S. and Brazil has actually grown over that time period. So we have been proactive and Venezuela I don’t know remember what our capacity is down exactly, but its north of 50%. So we have been pretty proactive. It’s been hard to get ahead of a market, two markets that have been down so much and you’ve seen 40% declines in Brazil even with those capacity cuts, that’s a little hard to get ahead of, but we'll continue to look at the markets, we've been in Brazil for a long time and that's a number one carrier between the U.S. and Brazil. They're going through a rough path right now and just going to abandon the country over a rough path that we expect to recover eventually. But it's going to be rough for a while.
Dan McKenzie :
And is the margin differential between a 787 and a 777 different or is it roughly the same?
Doug Parker:
That could vary from market-by-market. It depends on how much demand you have in the market, so you can’t make a generalization one way or another.
Dan McKenzie :
I see. Okay, thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Hunter Keay:
Just a quick follow up here. There is I think Bloomberg had a headline heading that says American Airlines Sees EBITDAR Peaking in 2016. Just to be clear, you said debt-to-EBITDAR was peaking in 2016, correct?
Doug Parker:
Yes, Hunter.
Hunter Keay:
Thank you, okay. Good bye.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions]
Doug Parker:
Bloomberg’s not on, they ran to correct their story.
Operator:
And our first question comes from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg.
Mary Schlangenstein:
That's being corrected, if that hasn't already been. I wanted to ask Scott, if you can clarify something for me in terms of this synergy, I was looking back and before the merger about the time is merger, I guess you guys are talking about synergies, exceeding $1 billion and then at one point you added another 400 million through something that you had found as you got a closer look at American, could you really spell out, where you are, the answer you gave earlier wasn't really clear to me, where you are in terms of the synergies that you expected early in the merger, to where you are now.
Scott Kirby:
I'll do my best from memory to get to all those number, we had said roughly 600 million of cost synergies which we think we have achieved offset by 600 million of labor cost increases, so those were a net zero, so both of those things had happened. We said $1 billion of revenue synergies and that was $300 million through improved frequent-flier program and bigger network, we think we achieved that we said three things that added up to 130 -- added up to $1 billion. We said a third of that was coming from route swaps which I did talk about and said that those are just now starting to phase in, we'll take couple of years to fully phase in and the other third it was coming from connectivity, which we said we've got half of it in 2015 and the other half will come this year. The 400 million was re-banking the hubs and off-peak scheduling which we probably we've got three quarters have done so far
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay, great, thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Andrea Ahles with Fort Worth Star Telegram.
Andrea Ahles:
I was wondering if you could give me a little bit update on how contract talks are going with the TWU at this point, do you expect to get those contracts, the joint contracts done sometime this year or you think it’s going to be more into next year
Doug Parker:
We can certainly help you with that, I'll let Steve give you some more color.
Steve Johnson:
We still are optimistic that we will get the big contracts with the TWU and IAM done this year but the talks are going fine, so far and I believe the union is also focused on getting these conclusions quickly, but they're complicated and they just take time. So, sometime this year is still a pretty good prediction, but probably not sometime this quarter.
Andrea Ahles:
And then a follow up on Scott, you talked a lot about the capacity increase this year in the Dallas market DFW [ph], can you give any more color and [indiscernible] we’re going to continue to see this competitive low-fare environment from American as you can see on the capacity that's been added here through August that’s what you said or is it -- are we having to stabilize in terms of the capacity increases that you’ve been seen in this market
Scott Kirby:
We still see capacity increases that will last on a year-over-year basis, through August, as it relates to pricing, however American Airlines intends to always compete aggressively on price. And so, I don't think anything changes when you go to August but the year-over-year numbers in terms of RASM, I wouldn't expect any meaningful changes to the pricing environment because it will look the same in September as we did in August sequentially, it just a year-over-year comparison that are different.
Andrea Ahles:
Okay, thank you.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Susan Carey with Wall Street Journal.
Susan Carey:
Sorry, Scott, could you just go run through again the RASM outlook for the year, are you now saying that you don't think the industry or American is going to see positive RASM until 2017 or are you perhaps by the end of '16?
Scott Kirby:
I wouldn't say either one of those things.
Susan Carey:
Okay.
Scott Kirby:
And not making a forecast
Susan Carey:
Say something.
Scott Kirby:
I guess all saying is there is a relationship between fuel price and revenue and oil prices are significantly lower today than when I made the original prediction six months ago and so just the mathematics of lower oil prices would likely move that our a quarter or two, but haven't tried it, I haven't done the math to say when exactly what would happen and -- so I am not actually making a predications but just saying lower oil prices probably pushed back the timeframe longer that it otherwise would have been.
Susan Carey:
For American or for the industry?
Scott Kirby:
Both.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Jeffrey Dastin with Reuters.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Roughly how many customers have asked for reservation changes related to the Zika virus and does that represent a significant increase from the number of travelers that typically request such changes?
Doug Parker:
I don't know, but I know it has not been a meaningful number, I don't know the exact number.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Okay, thank you, and what's step just to follow up is American taking keep it cabins free of mosquitos and its crew members and passengers safe from the scare of Zika?
Doug Parker:
In all international locations we have procedures to keep aircraft clean. There are specified programs and we are in close contact with the CDC on any type of changes that would require adjustments to our program and right now we feel like we're in good shape in terms of addressing and issues whether its mosquito borne issues or any others.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Right and lastly if I may ask one thought related to Zika is there any extra concern about the short-term business in Latin America because of Zika and also because of closer ties of LATAM now that you guys have a joint business?
Scott Kirby:
As we said earlier on the call, it's too early to tell we haven't seen an effect yet and it is important to point out unlike some other viruses in the past that are airborne, this one is not airborne and can’t be transmitted from one passenger to another, and as a result you wouldn’t expect it to have as big an impact something like SARS, but today we haven't seen a measurable impact on booking.
Doug Parker:
And of course at this point anyway just known it only has an impact on pregnant women, it's not the entire traveling public.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Dawn Gilbertson with Arizona Republic.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Scott, I hate to do this but I missed the opening remarks, I imagine you gave an update on basic economy, could you repeat that in order to give an update, could you give an update?
Scott Kirby:
I don’t have much of an update other than we still plan to roll it out in the second half of this year and details yet to come.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Edward Russell with Flight Global.
Edward Russell:
I was wondering if you could elaborate a bit on your capacity growth plans for 2016, how much is going to come from up updating and increased seat counts versus new markets and where you might be looking to grow this year?
Scott Kirby:
I think if we talk about from the mainline perspective gauge is up about 1.6%, stage length up 4% and departures are actually down 3% from mainline perspective. Most of the growth is international in the Pacific, domestic is only up about 2%.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Ted Reed with TheStreet.
Ted Reed:
Thanks, I have two things first of all you're talking about Charlotte and saying that PRASM gains there are the best in the system and I think you said the same thing on the last call, what's the reason for the growth in Charlotte -- PRASM growth in Charlotte?
Scott Kirby:
Charlotte is a great market and strong demand and it's been less impacted by some of the things like what's happening in Dallas, [indiscernible] capacity growth. But Charlotte is a great market with strong local demand, strong connecting demand, strong businessman demand and it has held up well for this environment.
Ted Reed:
My other thing is Delta saying that they haven't had 1.5 billion in profit sharing this year their profit for 2015 would have 7.4 billion, so they would have had the highest profit of any airline, do you have a response to that?
Doug Parker:
Well, I don't know, Ted, what I know is our pilots right now are making 7% more per hour than their’s are because we choose to pay our people higher than - and to offset the fact of profit sharing, and the rest of their employees are non-union and ours are in unions, that give them better work [indiscernible] protection, so I think on a wage basis our numbers are going to look awfully similar to theirs in total compensation that's certainly not the driver of the revenue. Of the margin over performance of us versus them, I do think, to be fair to them the big driver of out performance versus them is the fact that they made - they fuel hedge that cost them a couple of billion dollar and if you adjust for that which is what I would argue if I were them that indeed their margins are higher than ours and we agree with that. They are five years ahead of us. They got their merger in 2008 we got ours done in 2013. We’re going to catch them out there yet, but we will. Their margins are higher than ours because - our margin were higher this year because they hedged fuel and we didn’t that cost them a lot of money, and indeed cost them a lot of profit sharing. And our -- but if you adjust for that their margins are higher. We know that and like I said they’re five years ahead and we’ll catch them.
Ted Reed:
But in terms of profit, because you’re -- in terms of profit because they’re saying profit would have been the highest ever for an airline. Just the simple profit number, do you think their's is affected by the fuel hedge then?
Steve Johnson:
This is Steve, I mean, I think that’s kind of silly allegation by Delta because as you can tell from the way we’ve built our collective part in the agreements and the way some of the other airlines have if Delta wasn’t paying a $1.5 billion of profit sharing they’d be paying something like that in wages. So it’s --.
Doug Parker:
And again, Ted said it, I’m not sure, Delta said it anyway, but anyway if that’s what you want to say. Look again I'd just say what I said, which is, we have made a decision to compensate our people more per month and not have them be subject to the whims of things like Zika virus and people’s concerns about that, and whether or not there is going to be travel, we think we should pay, we think people should be paid what they earn, as they earn it as opposed to waiting for the end of the year to see if indeed the airline is profitable or not. So we put more in our base wages. Delta actually is with their re-vamp cut back their profit sharing significantly, but a lot more into best wages in response to there again what I read anyways, is that they said their employees told them they prefer it that way, they prefer to have more in base wages and we believe our employees prefer it that way. So we have more in base wages and they have more in profit sharing and as you earlier said it’s just a different way of compensation and compensating. But when you add it all up, our total compensation and where our people are compensated is, I don’t know, again very, very close that is not the difference, employee compensation is not the difference and our earnings amounts vis-à-vis each other. The big difference is that they lost a lot of money on fuel hedges that we didn’t lose, but so if you adjust for that, we agree they’re ahead of us.
Ted Reed:
Alright. Thank you very much, Doug.
Operator:
At this time, we have no further questions in the queue at this time.
Doug Parker:
Alright. Thank you all very much for your time. We appreciate it. We’ll stay touch.
Operator:
That does conclude today’s conference. Thank you for your participation.
Operator:
Good day, and welcome to the American Airlines Group Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. And now, I'd like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens. Please go ahead.
Daniel E. Cravens:
Thanks, Tina, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines third quarter 2015 earnings conference call. In the room with us today is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Scott Kirby, our President; Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer; and also in the room for the Q&A session is Robert Isom, our Chief Operating Officer; Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communication; Bev Goulet, our Chief Integration Officer; Maya Leibman, Chief Information Officer and Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs. As is our normal practice, we're going to start the call with Doug, and he will provide an overview of our third quarter financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter, and provide some color on our guidance for the fourth quarter. And Scott will then follow with commentary on the revenue environment and our operational performance. And then after we hear from those comments, we'll open the call for analyst questions. And then lastly, questions from the media. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecasts of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2015. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures included this morning such as net profit and CASM excluding unusual items. A reconciliation to those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, and that can be found on our website at aa.com. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us this morning. And at this point, we'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
William Douglas Parker:
Excellent. Thank you, Dan, and thanks, everybody, for being on here. We this morning reported the highest quarterly profit in American Airlines' long proud history, $1.9 billion excluding net charges for the quarter. Obviously, very pleased with these results. Particularly proud of the fact that over the last six or seven days, our team has migrated all of our reservations on to one system, something that is a key milestone for our customers and the fact that we now have one – we are now selling under one brand, but a really key milestone for our team. This is an issue that other airlines have stumbled at in the past in their migration. Our team did it flawlessly. This was by far the largest and most complex, one of these integration initiatives, that it had to take place. So we couldn't be happier. This is further evidence of what this team is doing to build the greatest airline in the world. Maya Leibman is here as is Robert Isom, the two people whose teams had the most to do with this. They'd be the first to tell you it wasn't them, however, but their teams. So, I just want to use this opportunity to thank everyone that was involved in this project and the entire 100,000 people of American Airlines who are working to build the greatest airline in the world, and they're showing everyday that we are well on our way to do that. The result of all that, the financial results, the phenomenal integration work, everything else was going on including great operations the team are now running are evidence of the fact that we are well on our way to building the greatest airline in the world. We know we have a lot of work to do, but we are very bullish on our future. That bullishness is evidenced in the fact that we repurchased $1.56 billion of common stock in the quarter, 38.4 million shares. And we're happy to return that value to our shareholders through share repurchases because we think that's the right thing to do. As we generate profits, the first thing we do is make sure we invest it in the airline. We are doing that, producing very nice returns with that capital, making sure we reduce the debt at the same time but then to the extent there's cash left over. And certainly, at a time when we think the market isn't recognizing the value we produce, we use it to repurchase shares. So that's what happened this quarter. Those are the highlights. I will turn it over now to Derek who will give you a lot more detail followed by Scott. Thanks.
Derek J. Kerr:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everybody. As Doug said, we filed our third quarter 2015 10-Q along with our earnings press release this morning. And in that earnings release, we reported the highest quarterly profit in the company's history, beating the previous record set just last quarter. Excluding net special charges, our third quarter net profit was $1.9 billion or $2.77 per diluted share. This represents a $662 million improvement versus our third quarter 2014 net profit, excluding net special charges of $1.2 billion, or $1.77 per diluted share. Third quarter 2015 pre-tax margin, excluding net special charges, was a record 17.7%, up 6.7 points year-over-year. We currently have the youngest fleet of any in the U.S. network airlines. In the third quarter of 2015, we took delivery of 16 new mainline aircraft and retired 36 mainline aircraft older at 75s, 76s and MD-80s. On the regional sub, we took delivery of 15 aircraft and we removed from service and parked 9 aircraft. We also continue to modernize our fleet. Over the next several years, our fleet will get even younger and the differential in fleet age will continue to expand relative to our network peers. The total capacity for the third quarter of 2015 was 71.1 billion ASMs, up 2.9% from the same period in 2014. Mainline capacity for the quarter was 63.5 billion ASMs, up 2.6%. Regional capacity for the quarter was up 5% to 7.63 billion ASMs due primarily to larger gauge aircraft and longer stage-length flying. Our third quarter 2015 revenue was negatively impacted by large capacity increases in certain domestic segments, as well as weaker yields in international markets due principally to foreign currency devaluation, lower fuel surcharges and continued economic softness in Latin America. For the quarter, total operating revenues were $10.7 billion, down 3.9% year-over-year. Passenger revenues were $9.4 billion, down 4.2%, driven by yields 9.2% lower on a 2.9% increase in system capacity. Cargo revenues were down 16.3% to $180 million due primarily to lower yields and other revenue. Operating revenues were $1.2 billion, up 0.6%. Total RASM in the third quarter of 2015 was $0.1506, down 6.6%, driven principally by the decline in passenger RASM, which was $0.1316 down 6.8%, and Scott will give a little bit more detail after my remarks. The Airline's operating expenses excluding net special changes for the third quarter of 2015 were $8.5 billion, down 11.5% year-over-year primarily due to a 43.5% decrease in consolidated fuel expense. As we have seen now for the first nine months of 2015, our financial results reflect the material benefit from the significant year-over-year drop in crude oil prices as we remain unhedged. Our average mainline fuel price including taxes for the third quarter of 2015 was $1.67 per gallon, a 43.8% decline versus $2.97 per gallon last year. Lower fuel prices drove a 14.3% decline in mainline operating cost per ASM excluding net special charges to $0.1107. Excluding net special charges and fuel, our mainline cost per ASM was $0.0856 in the third quarter of 2015, up 2.6%. This increase is due primarily to higher salaries and benefits, costs associated with our new labor contracts that were signed at the beginning of this year. These wage increases increased our third quarter mainline CASM, excluding special charges and fuel, by approximately 3.4 percentage points. Regional operating cost per ASM, excluding net special charges and fuel, was $0.1578 for the third quarter, an increase of 1.7%. Excluding net special charges and fuel, our consolidated third quarter 2015 CASM was up 2.6%, principally due to increased flying under our capacity purchase agreements. We ended the third quarter with $9.6 billion in total cash and investments. Of this, $710 million was restricted and $609 million was held in Venezuela bolivars. We currently have $1.8 billion of revolving credit capacity, none of which has been drawn, which we consider to be one of the least expensive forms of liquidity on our capital structure. We have been working to upsize our existing revolving credit capacity by approximately $600 million and expect to accomplish that by the end of this month. Attractive debt markets have allowed us to complete new financings at favorable rates. In the third quarter, the company issued $1.1 billion in enhanced equipment trust certificates at a blended rate of 3.8%. In addition, the company re-marketed $365 million of the New York JFK Airport Special Facility Revenue Bonds at a one-year rate of 2%. We also raised another $845 million of aircraft financings in the private debt market. During the third quarter of 2015, we generated $1.2 billion in cash flow from operations and paid down $714 million in debt. The company returned $1.63 billion to its shareholders through the payment of $67 million in quarterly dividends and the repurchase of $1.56 billion of common stock, or 38.4 million shares at an average price of $40.56 per share. In the first nine months of 2015, the company has returned approximately $2.7 billion to its shareholders in dividends and share repurchases. And since the merger closed, we have reduced the company's shares outstanding by approximately 100 million shares or 14% through share repurchases and share withholdings in satisfaction of tax obligations on employee share issuances. As our program to return capital to shareholders continues, we recognize the need to be prudent about our leverage. We closely watch our minimum cash levels and routinely stress test our credit metrics. As we have said before, our minimum cash will continue to be higher than our competitors', but lower than it is today. Now that our passenger service system integration is complete, we will reevaluate our leverage and minimum cash levels. When complete, we will communicate guidelines that clarify our strategy going forward. At our board of directors' meeting held yesterday, the board authorized an additional $2 billion share repurchase program to be completed by December 31, 2016. This brings the total amount of share repurchase program authorized in 2015 to $6 billion. The company's board of directors has also declared a $0.10 per share dividend to be paid on November 19, 2015 to shareholders of record as of November 5, 2015. Turning now to our guidance, we are forecasting overall system capacity growth to be up approximately 1%, resulting in full-year domestic capacity growth of approximately 1% to 2% in 2015, while international capacity is expected to be flat to up 1%. For the fourth quarter 2015, mainline capacity and ASM is expected to be 58.3 billion and regional capacity is expected to be 7.37 billion in the fourth quarter. We're still in the process of developing our 2016 operating plan. So, as usual, the formal ASM guidance for 2016 will come when we report fourth quarter 2014 earnings. At this time, we expect year-over-year system capacity to be up approximately 2% to 3% in 2016. Approximately one point of the increase is due to our growth of the Pacific entity, while another point is due to leap year and aircraft reconfigurations that increased the gauge of our aircraft. Domestic capacity is expected to be up approximately 1% to 2%, while international capacity is expected to be up approximately 4% to 6%. For the full-year 2015, we are forecasting year-over-year total CASM ex special items and fuel to be up approximately 3% to 5%. As we have seen throughout this year, this increase is driven primarily by labor contracts covering our pilots and flight attendants and investment we have made to improve the reliability of our operation. Mainline CASM, excluding special items and fuel is projected to be up approximately 4% to 6%, while regional CASM, excluding special items and fuel is projected to be approximately flat to up 2%. As I mentioned in my earlier comments, we continue to see a substantial financial benefit as a result of low fuel prices. Using the October 21 forward curve, we are forecasting our 2015 consolidated fuel price to be in the range of $1.70 to $1.75 per gallon. Based on these prices, we expect our 2015 consolidated fuel expense to improve by approximately $5 billion year-over-year. Our fourth quarter forecast is between $1.48 and $1.53 per gallon for mainline, and regional $1.51 to $1.56. Using the midpoints of the guidance we have provided along with PRASM guidance that Scott will give, we expect to continue our string of strong margin performance with the fourth quarter pre-tax margin, excluding special items, of between 12% and 14%. As we conclude 2015 and complete our plans for 2016, we will continue to focus on completing our remaining integration items, investing in the airline by renewing our fleet, improving our operational performance and returning excess cash to our shareholders. In terms of capital expenditures, we expect total gross aircraft CapEx to be approximately $5.3 billion in 2015, of which approximately $1.3 billion will occur in the fourth quarter. In addition, for the full-year 2015, we expect to invest $900 million in non-aircraft CapEx, which includes many investments to improve our product. And we also expect to make $2.2 billion in debt payments. In conclusion, I'd also like to thank and congratulate our more than 100,000 team members for again producing the highest quarterly profits in the company's history. We knew that 2015 was going to be a big year for integration. And given the results achieved thus far, our team has performed exceptionally well. So, thanks again for your time this morning, and I'll turn it over to Scott.
J. Scott Kirby:
Thanks, Derek. I'd like to start by also adding my thanks to all the people at American Airlines for the truly fantastic job that they've been doing operationally and for the great work that everyone did to make the cut over to a new reservation system. That's a success that was largely seamless for our customers. As most of you know, moving to single res system is probably the biggest technical training system and process hurdle that airlines face after a merger and our teams led by Maya Leibman, our CIO, and Robert Isom, our Chief Operating Officer, just did a fantastic job. In fact, in the first day, five days since the cut-over happened, we've run an 89.4% on-time performance and a 99.95% completion factor. So while we're proud of the job the team did on the cut-over, we're also quite proud of the strong operational result that American Airlines is producing prior to cut-over and continued producing since then. Our system on-time arrival rate and completion factor in September and October are the best that we have in our records which go back to 2000. At our largest hub, DFW, we've made significant strides in running a reliable operation since we rebanked the hub, including a 10-point improvement in our departures within zero minute of scheduled time, a 9-point improvement on time performance, and a 99.9% completion factor. So, a big thanks to the team at DFW for the great results. I could go on and on, but I'll just close this section by saying thanks to all the people of American Airlines who've done such a great job in completing the reservation systems cut-over. At the same time, they're running a fantastic operation. On the revenue front, our third quarter PRASM was down 6.8%. Domestically, PRASM was down 7.6%. And we saw the strongest performance in New York and Charlotte and the weakest performance in hubs that have a greater share of international connecting traffic into the domestic system. Internationally, the stronger U.S. dollar and declining international fuel surcharges made up 2.7 points of our total system PRASM decline, but we saw additional weakness beyond currencies in Asia and Latin America. The Atlantic was our strongest region where PRASM was down 5.6%, and this decline was mostly explained by the stronger U.S. dollar. Across the Pacific, PRASM was down 11.3% with weakness in both Japan and China, the flat year-over-year PRASM in South Korea and Hong Kong. LatAm PRASM was down 10.4%, but as has been for a while now, that weakness is concentrated in Brazil and Venezuela where PRASM was down 25% and 46%, respectively. Looking forward, we expect the fourth quarter to look similar to the third quarter with the same factors that drove the decline in Q3 continuing into Q4. We project the currency and surcharge declines will impact system PRASM by 2.1 points in Q4, which is down from 2.7 points in Q3 as we're beginning to overlap the time when the dollar started strengthening last year. We continue to see significant year-over-year competitive growth in Dallas as Southwest completed their final expansion at Love Field. And in South America, we don't see any improvement yet on the horizon. The revenue environment doesn't seem to have gotten any worse, but there aren't yet any signs of improvement. We don't realistically expect any improvement in South America until the Brazilian economy turns around. Given all that, we expect our system PRASM to decline 5% to 7% year-over-year in 4Q. In conclusion, we passed a significant milestone in the integration this quarter. We're very proud of the job that the entire team at American Airlines has done in getting the res system integrated and beginning to produce record operational results. There's still a lot of hard work left to do to finish the integration of the remaining systems and processes. But passing this milestone is a huge achievement and lets us begin or turn our energies, time and resources to innovating and continuing to make American Airlines a better airline for our employees, our customers and our shareholders.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, Scott. And then I have one last thing for you. The question just – it turns out today is a big day in commercial aviation history, which people may not know. It's Scott's 20-year anniversary with our company today. October 23, 1995, Scott Kirby joined America West Airlines as Senior Director of Scheduling & Planning. So anyway, I had joined America West like five months before that, so I've been working with Scott now for 20 years and he's a young guy. He's got 20 years left, but I'll just use this opportunity to point out. Anyway, we're happy he joined 20 years ago. He's the best in the business. He's a driver of change and has been a driver of change in a business that's needed it dearly. And we wouldn't be here without him. The result is that people of America West, U.S. Airways and American Airlines are all in much better shape than they would have been had Scott chosen to do something else 20 years ago. So we're glad he did. Thanks, Scott. Congratulations.
J. Scott Kirby:
Thank you. It's embarrassing, but thank you.
William Douglas Parker:
Yeah. I know. That was the point. All right. Operator, we are ready to take questions.
Operator:
We'll go to Rajeev Lalwani with Morgan Stanley.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Thanks for the time. I guess, the first question just on the capacity guide for next year. It seems like it would be growing a bit more versus 2015, but the economy doesn't seem to be picking up and GDP isn't looking great. So just some more color on the thinking there.
J. Scott Kirby:
As Derek said, it's really driven by two things
Rajeev Lalwani:
Thanks. And then just switching gears, On buybacks, you guys were clearly aggressive this past quarter. I guess, I'd just like to get more color on how you think about it just quarter-to-quarter, how do you arrive at the right level just to help us figure out how to think about it over time?
William Douglas Parker:
Okay. Look, this is Doug, I'll start. Again, as we told you in the last quarter, we look particularly in times when it feels – we do not do this on a systematic basis as some companies I know do. We came into the merger with more cash than certainly our peers and arguably excess cash. We, however, knew we needed to get through a complex integration and, therefore, wanted to hold a good bit of cash to make sure that we were confident that all is going well. We clearly have passed that threshold. At this point, what we do is as the company can use it to earn cash and produce cash, we first invest in the business. We are doing that on a pretty large scale and doing so in a way our investors would be proud because we're producing nice returns on what we are investing your capital in. Having done that, we look to pay down any high cost debt. We have done that and now are actually borrowing at rates that we simply can't ignore and believe are rates that we should borrow at. On aircraft, for example, I think, as Derek noted, we closed the EETC this past quarter at $1 billion at something around 3.8%. So we don't think it makes sense to use our cash to purchase the airplanes but rather that we should borrow it at those rates because we could produce higher returns for you at those rates – than those rates. That leaves us with cash on hand that still is in excess of what we need. And we don't think the right thing to do with it for you is to leave it in our bank account but rather to return it to you. And we try to do that really efficiently. So what that means is, in times like last quarter when we went through and we may go again, and there are people wondering if the industry has changed or not and such things and whether or not these type of results can continue, and our view may be different than the market. We like to use those opportunities to purchase our shares at levels that are less than we believe they were. So you put all that together and you get to numbers like this. Therefore, it's really hard to tell you what it's going to be like in the future because it's not systemic. It's based on what we have left to do – what we have in excess remaining and what we feel about the relative value at the time. So a really long way of me telling you it's going to be maybe perhaps hard for you to project in the future, but I can tell you this. We're committed to returning value to our shareholders. And to the extent we have excess cash and to the extent we believe the market isn't giving us full value for what we plan to do, we'll repurchase shares.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Very helpful. Thank you, gentlemen.
Operator:
We'll go to Julie Yates with Credit Suisse. Julie A. Yates-Stewart - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker) Good morning. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on a successful reservation system cutover.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks.
J. Scott Kirby:
Thanks, Julie. Julie A. Yates-Stewart - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker) Now that that's complete, what's the biggest focus from an operational standpoint, and are there levers that the system combination alone unlocks or do you still need to get the flight operating system combination and the seniority list integration?
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, when you say operations, I'm going to take it more broadly. It is great to have this milestone behind us. The team, as we've all said, just did a fantastic job on getting it done, and that's really the foundation that lets us start doing a whole backlog of projects and things that we want to do, specifically on the operations front. Robert and his team are already off and running and the numbers of late are quite strong, but under improving our core reliability, innovating on more customer self-service options, a whole suite of things that we haven't been able to get done because all of those resources were working on the systems integration to make it easier for customers to deal with us, either for our employees to have the information that they need and the tools that they need to provide a great service to our customers. On the commercial side, we have a huge backlog of projects in terms of all kinds of areas, but two bigger areas are the frequent flyer program and doing more innovation within the frequent flyer program. And secondly, doing more to further disaggregate the products and really move to a world where we can offer fares that compete with low-cost carriers and have a suite of attributes that are appropriate for those prices, and then fares that have a greater suite of attributes and give our customers choice. It's all about giving our customers choice. And so there really are just hundreds of projects. I hope that the IT team took a few days to rest and recover because we want them and are hoping that they're going to be running just as hard as they have for the last two years on the big backlog of stuff that we have left to go. We're also glad to – well, we got two of our big labor contracts done. Another big thing is finishing the remaining labor contracts as those groups have gotten through the NMB process and had certification for their bargaining unit. Our customer service workers have a contract – a tentative agreement that's in place right now. We look forward to having that one behind us, and then the remaining workgroups we're in negotiating with all of them and I hope to have deals done with them soon. So it really is a great milestone for us to accomplish and to be able to look forward to moving forward really on all fronts of the business. Julie A. Yates-Stewart - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker) Okay, great. And then maybe a quick one for Derek. I know it's a little early to talk about 2016 non-fuel unit cost. But in light of the capacity guidance that you gave today, is there any directional color you can offer?
Derek J. Kerr:
Yeah. I think ex any of the labor deals, because we don't know where those are going to come out. I would expect right around flat to 2% range from CASM ex-fuel next year. But that would exclude any new labor deals that would be put into place. Julie A. Yates-Stewart - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker) Okay. Thank you very much.
J. Scott Kirby:
Thanks, Julie.
Operator:
We'll go to Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
J. Scott Kirby:
Hey, Jamie.
Jamie N. Baker:
Hey. Good morning. Doug, I think it's only appropriate that you dedicate Mariah Carey's hit single Fantasy to Scott as it was the Billboard number one on this day back in 2005.
William Douglas Parker:
Hey, thank you for that fine research.
Jamie N. Baker:
Yeah. No doubt on...
J. Scott Kirby:
You're very good with the Google.
Jamie N. Baker:
No doubt, it was on Scott's Walkman at the time.
William Douglas Parker:
Thank you, Jamie.
Jamie N. Baker:
Scott, a question. You're guiding in the fourth quarter to somewhere around $1 billion of year-on-year fuel savings, probably a little bit more than that. But the margin guidance implies an EBIT improvement of around $150 million or so. Maybe it's $200 million. We'll digest the full 8-K in a little bit. In a simplistic measure, this implies that the vast majority of your fuel savings are not being retained, that you're only hanging on to somewhere around 15% of the benefit, maybe 20% of the benefit. Delta and United also guided for the fourth quarter. They think they are going to hang on to about half of their fuel benefit. Indeed, that's what you retained in this third quarter. So what is it about Q4 that's making you slip and slip relative to the third quarter and causing you to underperform the competition?
J. Scott Kirby:
So thanks for the question, Jamie. And...
Jamie N. Baker:
Sure.
J. Scott Kirby:
...as I think you know, it's a little bit of a simplistic analysis when you just try to tie fuel savings to what's falling straight to bottom line because it's ignoring everything else that is happening. But it's a fair point for you to make, although it really comes down to the relationship of RASM to fuel price and what's happening with relative RASM performance. And on that front, our relative RASM we're forecasting is going to be down compared to what Delta and United have in the fourth quarter. One of the reasons for that, of course, is credit card deals. All three of our big major competitors have credit card deals on a year-over-year basis that have RASM flowing through to the bottom line. We don't have a new credit card deal.
Jamie N. Baker:
Good point.
J. Scott Kirby:
And the other ones, or probably the two big ones at least, are Brazil and Love Field, which are disproportionately affecting us. One other point I'd make, it doesn't matter from the sequential third quarter to fourth quarter. But on a year-over-year basis, we did sign the new five-year labor contracts with pilots and flight attendants. Again, something that's impacting us, but it impacts the third quarter as well as the fourth quarter. All that said, we feel really excited that we're now through the integration. It's hard to pinpoint a number and it's hard to tell you exactly what is going to change. But the reality is that we had a lot of constraints embedded in the revenue management systems and our distribution systems. A lot of things – and even just resource constraints of people spending eight hours a day working on the res system integration and then trying to do their day job after they finished all their work on res system integration. So I can't put specific numbers on it, but I feel pretty optimistic that we've been held back a little bit. We've done it to ourselves, as we focus really on having a successful reservation systems integration. And now being able to turn our full attention in those groups to optimizing revenue, I believe, will lead to relative outperformance. Now, we still are going to have the kind of headwinds of credit card deal in Brazil and Love Field to deal with. But at least relative to where we are right now, I certainly hope that we are going to start outperforming even more.
Jamie N. Baker:
Okay. A very thorough response. I appreciate that. Quick follow-up. I am trying to assess how the impact of low-cost carriers in your hubs differs from how revenue is holding up in markets, O&Ds where discounters don't publish fares? How would you compare the overall revenue dynamic in each type of those two markets? Is it your view that we're also seeing too much pricing aggression, particularly close in, in those markets where discounters are not a factor?
J. Scott Kirby:
So revenue performance in markets where low cost or ultra low cost carriers are growing are clearly performing worse than in markets that don't have that. But a similar story is true in markets if there's a lot of legacy carrier ASM growth, we also have lower RASM performance. Of course, the low-cost carriers have been growing more, so there's more markets that are subject to that. There has, however, I think – this is a trend that's been going on for 15 years at least. As there are more and more markets that have low-cost carriers flying in them, there are just more and more markets that are impacted even beyond that. So we have thousands of markets that we consider drive markets, Greensboro, North Carolina, that the pricing in Greensboro, even though it doesn't have low-cost carrier service, is impacted by Raleigh-Durham, which the airports are, I think, 55 miles apart. The customers have indicated willingness to drive. So I think that the vast majority of pricing, probably north of 85% of domestic pricing, is really either directly or indirectly influenced by low-cost carrier pricing, which means as they're growing, it's affecting not just the 2% or 3% of revenue in markets that they're in, but it's affecting a much – it does affect a much bigger piece of the pie.
Jamie N. Baker:
Okay. Makes sense. Thanks for the clarity. Appreciate it, gentlemen.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, Jamie.
Jamie N. Baker:
Thanks, Doug.
Operator:
We'll go to Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Hunter K. Keay:
Hey. Good morning. Thanks.
William Douglas Parker:
Hey, Hunter.
Hunter K. Keay:
Hey. So a little bit of a follow-up on Jamie's question and I kind of want to – I'd love you to synthesize some of the stuff you've been alluding to throughout your prepared remarks. Obviously, you want to talk about this, I can tell, about some of the IT stuff. So...
William Douglas Parker:
How could you possibly tell that?
Hunter K. Keay:
Yeah. Love to do that. So okay, it's clear that you guys have concluded that ULCCs are a long-term threat in your market and they need to be dealt with and fine. That's your decision to make. But how do we know that you guys aren't totally blowing up yourself in the process of defending them, causing long-term damage on the pricing side while you're doing what you think you need to do to match them on fares. So effectively, what you've done is – feel free to disagree with the premise, but you're competing against yourself. You're selling $41 walk-up fares to business travelers that were never going to be in the ULCC to begin with. So is there a more tactical way to going about keeping the pressure on the ULCCs as vis-à-vis they're competing in your market while being a little bit more surgical about how you don't impact your own close-in demands by like inverting the yield curve for – inverting the booking curve, I mean, for example, and then that in itself might be an IT question.
J. Scott Kirby:
It's not an IT question, but thank you for the question, Hunter. And I don't agree with all the premises of at least you representing our view in the question.
Hunter K. Keay:
Tell me where I'm wrong, actually, if you would.
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, more broadly, I'll talk about because I get this question a lot. I do get this question a lot from investors about – I would summarize it as, why are you matching ultra low cost carriers' price. And for what it's worth, we're doing – to start, we're doing what's best for American Airlines and for American Airlines shareholders, for our customers, and that's the premise that we do every day from. I have started asking investors when they ask me that question, if they own shares of Spirit Airlines, and so far, 100% of them have been honest enough to acknowledge that yes, they do. And so we're not trying to do things that helps Spirit. We're trying to do things that are better for American Airlines. This, however, is not something that's just about Spirit. Most people ask it about in that context because they happen to own shares in Spirit. But we're competing the same against Frontier and Volaris and Norwegian Air Shuttle and carriers around the world. Essentially what we're doing is anytime that we are competing with a nonstop carrier, nonstop-to-nonstop, we're going to compete and match their prices. And the reason is because those carriers are relevant, and we have many customers who are willing to fly them. A statistic that when I told people they find somewhat amazing is that 87% of the people that have flown American Airlines in the last year flew us only one time. So 87% of our unique customers fly us one time for a year or less, and they represent over 50% of our revenue. While there are a lot of our customers who want to have a lie-flat seat to fly in the transcon market or who want a lie-flat seat to fly when they go overseas and are willing to pay a premium for a better product. We have that 50% of customers who are very infrequent travelers who fly us once per year – 50% of our revenue who fly us once per year or less, for whom air travel is largely a commodity, and I wish it wasn't that way, but it is. And you can see it. I'll give you some more stats in a minute about how much Spirit and Frontier and others have grown and how successful they can be in getting those customers to move off of us if we don't match their prices. And so, 50% of our customers are up for grabs. We have to compete for them. We can't just walk away from that size of the business.
Hunter K. Keay:
50% of revenue?
J. Scott Kirby:
50% of revenue, sorry. And if you look at what's happened, it gives you some clarity on how those customers have moved to low-cost carriers. In Dallas, for example, before American filed bankruptcy, Spirit served three markets out of Dallas. Today, they serve – they have over 50 flights a day in 25 markets. In Chicago, they've grown to 24 markets with over 60 flights per day. In Dallas, Spirit at DFW is our number two competitor. They are larger than either Delta or United. In Chicago, they're the number three competitor. They're larger than Delta in Chicago. In those 25 routes in Dallas that Spirit flies, they have 20% market share, huge market share. But you have to understand this, when Spirit flies a flight, they carry all local passengers. So one Spirit flight is the equivalent of about three American Airlines flights, because we carry so many connecting flights. So if they fly a market twice a day, that's the equivalent of American Airlines flying six times a day in terms of the amount of passengers that they carry. Also, we have larger overlap. If you measure our overlap as our domestic ASMs that have non-stop competition from someone, 28% of our domestic ASMs have non-stop competition with Spirit. That is much larger than our domestic overlap with Delta and United. Frontier, similar. Frontier, before American filed bankruptcy, had 1% overlap with the American Airlines networks, and they've grown that by 1000% and they now have 11% overlap. Similar statistics, they're not as large because of the markets, but in some of the international markets where Volaris has grown into many markets. And so given that 50% of our revenue is up for grabs in these markets and that these carriers have had so much success when they weren't matched, we know that we have to match their fares. This isn't something that's unique to ultra-low-cost carriers. We match Delta. We match United. We match Air France. We match every carrier that we compete with around the globe. But if we are going to fly head to head and compete non-stop to non-stop with any carrier around the globe, we are going to be competitive and match their prices.
Hunter K. Keay:
Okay. So that's all well and good. And this is my last question, it's a true follow-up, but is there a way – what we don't know as an investment community is how many seats you're selling on a plane to match that. Are you selling three seats? Are you selling a row?
J. Scott Kirby:
Yeah.
Hunter K. Keay:
Or are you selling 25% of your seats? And that's what some of your competitors I think do better and that's maybe where you haven't had the resources from an IT perspective to get more surgical on your inventory. So I'm not saying you should come in here and let ULCCs take your share or whatever, but is there a way to be more precise? And to have a certain product that's more tailored to that type of customer, so you're not imploding, like I said, the booking curves. So, I, the business traveler, I'm buying the $46 walk-up.
J. Scott Kirby:
So thanks for the follow-up because there are good points that I didn't make. One, so we are trying to be precise about where we have seats available. And what we've seen so far, and I'm sure we can fine tune it, but we're pretty happy with our results so far, in markets where we've matched ultra-low-cost carriers, our RASM performance has been the same as it has been in the rest of our domestic system. So we've performed just as well. What we've done is we're running much higher load factors, particularly on formerly off-peak flights. We've done a really good job so far of directing that traffic to formerly off-peak flights running higher load factors, running lower yields. But our RASM performance even in the short-term has been equivalent to the RASM performance we've had in the rest of the system. And there probably are opportunities to fine-tune it, but that's normal course of business stuff that we do, and it's not going to be a meaningful change in terms of the number of seats. One thing longer term that we would like to do, I talked earlier about further disaggregating the product is, and we haven't been able to do this yet because we've been getting through integration, but we are going to go to a product that has different attributes. And so that the attributes that you get if you buy ultra-low cost carrier competitive fare are going to be different. I'm not going to give you all of the attributes that will be different today because we'll wait till we're ready to announce it. But that's something that we hope to have in place in 2016, which will have two benefits for us. One, it will allow us to compete with the ultra-low-cost carriers. And for that 50% of revenue and 87% of the customers that are up for grabs, it will allow us to offer them a product that's competitive on price with ultra-low-cost carriers. But also, for our customers that want a better product and our frequent flyers that want better seats on the airplane, we can give them the choice of not paying that fare and getting a better product. But we're not going to have that in place until sometime in 2016. And in the interim, we can't just walk away from competing with Delta or United or Air France of WestJet or Frontier, any of those carriers. And so, we're going to keep competing and knowing that we have upside later to come sometime in 2016.
Hunter K. Keay:
Great, Scott. Thank you very much.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, Hunter.
Operator:
We've got Helane Becker with Cowen & Company.
William Douglas Parker:
Hello, Helane.
Helane Becker:
Thanks very much, operator. Hi, John and thanks for the – and Maya, thanks for the time. So I noticed that you announced that you're going back into Venezuela, I think, from New York. And I'm just kind of wondering, is that market showing signs of improvement that you would go back into that market.
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, it's still profitable, but it's not improving. But it's enough that we thought it was – that it would be incrementally profitable to serve New York, even though RASM is down 46%. It's still a profitable market, however.
Helane Becker:
Okay. And then just one point of clarification on your response to Hunter, the 80-some-odd percent of your passengers that are unique, is that system wide?
J. Scott Kirby:
It is. It was 87%.
Helane Becker:
Yeah, so 87%, okay. So if you looked at like Dallas for something like that, are the numbers lower where you could be more – because one of your strengths actually, I think, Scott, it was you who developed that whole plan when you were at America West, that closed your lowest buckets sooner rather than later. And at America West, you guys were outperforming the industry in terms of RASM and yield well before the rest of the industry kind of caught on to what you were doing. And I'm just kind of wondering why you wouldn't be that clever in your current role.
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, I think we are that clever. And look, we're doing the exact same kind of stuff. The big thing that we did that I think you're referencing at America West was we stopped matching connecting fares that were really low. So the example I used to use with Wall Street was I looked at a pricing display and saw Orlando to Seattle for $79 in the summer. And I looked out at our August – or our July FPS from the previous year and we had run at 96% load factor between Orlando and Phoenix and a 97% load factor between Phoenix and Seattle. And so why would we ever want to sell a $79 fare between Orlando and Seattle? So that's where it started. But we've never done that in our non-stop market. It's one of the great things about running a hub-and-spoke airline is you can be willing to not be price-competitive in a connecting market that doesn't make sense for you and pick the connecting markets where fares are okay and continue to be competitive in the local markets. But you can't walk away from competition in a local market because it's too important to – it's always the largest segment of O&D traffic flows in the market. And secondly, you walk away from a long-term relationship with the customer to be in the AAdvantage program, even people that are flying once a day right now, getting them on American experiencing our fantastic product, experiencing the new aircraft that we have, because someday that might be a customer that's an Executive Platinum customer. And so we're not going to ever walk away in the local market, though we are willing to walk away in connecting markets.
Helane Becker:
Okay. Yeah?
William Douglas Parker:
Hey, Helane. It's Doug, how are you?
Helane Becker:
Hey.
William Douglas Parker:
So, look, only because Scott's going to get angry eventually if people keep suggesting we don't know what we're doing.
Helane Becker:
Sorry, I don't want to do that.
William Douglas Parker:
No, no. Helane, you were very kind about it, but let me just try and – let me just from my perspective tell you that what I think Scott said in detail was at a global level. The 20 years of experience Scott brings is going into this analysis as well, and we are not constrained by systems, we are not constrained by intellect. And indeed, we know what we're doing and we're extremely comfortable with what we're doing. We have to be careful when we talk about pricing in the future, but we're perfectly comfortable telling you that the same people that have gotten us this far who are the best pricing yield management people in the business are managing pricing yield management in American right now and are not constrained by systems and have not suddenly changed the way they look at analyses. But the reality is all the things Scott said, which are this is non-stop service, we will and need to compete on price on non-stop service. So to the extent any of our competitors are suggesting that maybe we had – that we've lost sight of this, they're incorrect. And you guys know enough to know that so long as we're focused on it, we're going to be doing it better than anybody else and we are. So, you guys can keep asking these questions, but we really know what we're doing, and Scott and his team know what they're doing, and we are going to continue doing what we're doing.
Helane Becker:
Well, that's awesome and...
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks.
Helane Becker:
...that's good that you continue to do what you're doing because, obviously, it's been very successful. So, thanks very much for all that clarification. I appreciate that.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, Helane.
Operator:
We'll go to Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey. Thanks very much for taking the questions, guys. Listen, I just wanted to check, everybody looks at this business, sort of this industry, on a CASM basis. But if I just take a step back, by our math, your mainline cost per passenger is in the $180 range in the third quarter, and that's with really cheap fuel. Do you think that's a fair assessment?
Derek J. Kerr:
I haven't done the math. I don't know.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. I think it's in that range. And in that vein, with respect to some of this walk-up fare pricing that we're seeing, I guess the decision is we're just going to lose money until something changes. So, I guess, how are you measuring the success of this very aggressive walk-up fare program that we're really not seeing from other airlines here in the U.S.? How will we measure the success of it?
J. Scott Kirby:
Duane, we are not deciding to lose money. We aren't losing money. And I suspect that your Econ 101 class they taught you that you don't sell everything at the average cost. We sell a lot of tickets below our average cost because they are quite profitable on the airline. It all adds up to a profitability. But our variable costs are not the same as our average cost. And as the statistics already gave you, in these markets, once we've gone to matching their prices, we've actually had performance that's been either in line or better than the rest of the system. And so we feel really good about it. Every single market that we are matching any low cost carrier is profitable. They're nicely profitable. They're some of the most profitable markets in our system. And you can see that that adds up to 17% plus margins in this quarter. So it's working really well.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Appreciate that commentary, and certainly don't want to beat a dead horse here, but it seems like a very favorable environment right now with fuel as low as it is. And I guess the question would be and it's one you can't comment on because it speaks to the future, but the question is how quickly can you get that pricing back? And are you diluting your brand with some of this pricing?
J. Scott Kirby:
So the question on fuel actually, I think if fuel prices went up, our ability to compete is improved because fuel as a percentage of cost is much bigger for low-cost carriers. And so their average cost advantage declined as fuel price goes up. So our ability to compete gets better in a higher fuel price environment. And as to the longer term question, I tried to answer it once before, but we will do more to disaggregate the product and really have a product that has less frills, comes with a really cheap price, and we're going to do more to have products for the brand for that. Less than half of customers who fly us more than once – or that less than half of revenue from customers who are more frequent travelers who want the premium product and who want to pay for the brand, and who want a better experience, we're going to be able to give them the choice of having that, but it will be sometime in 2016 before we can do that.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. And then, just lastly by our math and I wondered if you agree, if I just look at ASMs Dallas metro, I see you guys at 70% of domestic and Southwest at about 16% and Spirit at about 4%, and Spirit is not really growing right now. So, I guess the question is, if they're not growing, Southwest is growing a lot, I guess, I would just question again what the long-term game plan is here. And again, thank you for taking the questions.
J. Scott Kirby:
Our long-term game plan is to compete with every airline that flies that we need to compete with, which includes every airline that we are competing head-to-head nonstop with, is the long-term plan. And, as to the Spirit 4% point, it's a bad statistic, because included in your statistic is the amount of customers that are flying from Dallas to Abilene, a market that Spirit is not in. The relevant statistic is the 25 markets that Spirit flies, they have 20% market share, and any other statistic is irrelevant.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, Scott. And then, Duane, you didn't specifically ask us, but your comments about fuel prices being so low give me the opportunity to make a comment, to make some points I've wanted to make. I referenced in my opening comments about how – we, on the last call, went through the points about whether the industry is indeed different. So, I want to point out this on fuel. The reality is, Brent oil prices this year are going to average to something around $55 a barrel. In 2005, Brent averaged $55 a barrel. The economic cycle for 2005, and you guys decide, but it was a pretty good year in the economic cycle. So the two things that we as airlines that really affect our profitability that are outside our control, the economic cycle and fuel prices, were very similar in 2005 as they are in 2015. In 2005, this industry lost $28 billion. In 2015, we're going to make something close to $20 billion. This business is not the same. It's dramatically different. People that are worried that, oh, my gosh, now that fuel prices have fallen, here go fares falling and what are the airlines going to do, it's the old business again, are missing the point and are missing what has happened. This business has dramatically transformed. Fuel prices fall, indeed. It does make sense for some capacity to come in that does result in prices falling. But if you think this is the old business, you're just not paying attention. And I know you didn't say it, Duane, so I'm not saying that to you directly. But anyone that suggests that just isn't paying attention. Just go look at what's happened over 10 years and what's happened over 10 years is there have been five big mergers. And as a result, we got a business now that's still intensely competitive, but actually can produce returns for investors and we're doing that. So, anyway, that was just a gratuitous commentary from me. Thanks.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thank you very much for the time.
William Douglas Parker:
Yep.
Operator:
We'll go to Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Michael Linenberg:
Yeah. Hey, just a question here and I guess, Scott, you're getting a workout here. I apologize. But look, now that you're a single airline from a distribution and marketing perspective, I mean, some of the opportunities, but I wanted to ask you about some of the opportunities, but sort of within the context of just some of the recent news I saw that Sabre now is going to be using this new distribution capability to sort of connect right into some of your ancillary product. And one of the things that I actually felt was interesting, I didn't realize that your agency point of sale that that was at – that the Direct Connect was 15%, or that represented 15%, which sounds like that that's right up there with some of your GDS volumes from agencies. Like, how does that evolve? I mean, because it sounds like you can really put the foot on the accelerator on the distribution front and I realize you touched on some of this in multiple answers about really creating this bespoke product. But, where do we go on the distribution front here?
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, we'll see how it evolves. Where we are today is we're happy with – look, I'll start with the GDSs have a network that works all the links built. And so to the extent we're paying a reasonable price, we are happy to go through the GDSs and work with GDSs. All of the debate is about price. And our frustration, not shared just at American but I think a lot of airlines' frustration is, it's one of the few places in technology where prices have gone up a lot over the last 20 years because they've got monopoly market power in some cases. That said, we'd like to work with the GDSs on doing things like selling our ancillary products. And we want them to sell it. It's good for our customers, it's good for their customers, the travel agencies, and then the customers that are flying that they represent. And so we're trying to do that. I think we're still all jointly figuring out how the GDS and distribution model evolve. But at least where we are today, I thank Sabre for getting this product out there. It's good for their customers, it's good for our customers, and it's nice that we've been able to find some common ground and work on something that's good for both of our respective customers.
Michael Linenberg:
Scott, do you think there's a scenario where you could create, I don't know, if it's just a product whether it's internally or something that's attractive to maybe bring the travel management companies to go by way of the Direct Connect sort of process, or is that...
J. Scott Kirby:
Yeah. I don't think I can answer that question today.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay. Okay. Well, very good. Thank you.
Operator:
And we'll go to Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Savanthi N. Syth:
Hey. Good morning. A slightly different line of questioning, but on the ancillary revenue side, I was wondering if you could help kind of clarify a little bit of how much of the kind of other revenue pressure came from the reduction in change fees that you guys called out, and maybe whether trend was excluding that pressure? I'm just trying to get a sense of kind of what the underlying strength is.
J. Scott Kirby:
I'm looking to Derek.
Derek J. Kerr:
Yeah. I'll work to get back to you on that. But I think...
J. Scott Kirby:
I could tell you, conceptually, though, we've had a little bit of decline – some of those lines have declined a little bit as we've done things like maybe credit program, both credit card programs, first bag. So, if there's anything driving the decline, it's been a change as we've integrated to have the same set of benefits for all of our customers.
Savanthi N. Syth:
All right. Great. And just then the follow-up on the domestic unit revenue kind of color that you provided. Just wondering how much of that is being impacted by kind of the international feed. I know you mentioned that a lot of the domestic hubs that have international feed are the ones that are under pressure. I'm wondering how much of that PRASM decline might be from the international component of the ticket or the domestic component of the international ticket?
Derek J. Kerr:
I don't remember the exact number, but it's over two points of the domestic decline is the domestic portion of international journeys.
Savanthi N. Syth:
All right. Great. Thank you.
Operator:
We'll go to Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research.
Dan J. McKenzie:
Hey. Thanks, guys. Derek, the $900 million improvement to the product, what are those improvements exactly? And then just tied to that, how would you characterize the return profile of these investments?
Derek J. Kerr:
The $900 million is the number of non-aircraft CapEx that we're spending, and part of that is with the product. And we've have already announced the $2 billion improvement to the product with lie-flat seats and those kind of amenities and the clubs and other things. So, the $900 million wasn't intended to be spent on improvement of the product. That's how much we're spending in capital for this year. That is non-aircraft CapEx.
Dan J. McKenzie:
Okay. Appreciate the clarification. And then, Scott, not to kick a dead horse here, I actually will talk about something a little different. So, just keeping fuel prices constant, margin compression on the international entities, but there are some margin expansion initiatives that, I think, that you have under way to help offset and blunt some of those. And one of those, if I'm not mistaken, is just the RJ fleet restructuring. It's not something you guys have talked a lot about in the past, but I'm just wondering how material is the swap of the smaller RJs with the larger RJs to your overall margins?
J. Scott Kirby:
It is a meaningful number. We haven't disclosed any specific margin or dollars associated with it. But we are rapidly swapping out the 50 seat and smaller regional jets and going to the larger regional jets which – the economics are great. And while we're running high load factors, we can feed more traffic onto our mainline network, feed more traffic onto our international flights and really helps the whole network get much better. It is one of the big contributors and will continue to be going forward as we continue that re-fleeting exercise.
Dan J. McKenzie:
And what percent of the departures are those that are being affected of the system departures?
J. Scott Kirby:
What do you mean? What percentage are being...
Dan J. McKenzie:
Just the...
J. Scott Kirby:
...are being upgraded?
Dan J. McKenzie:
...RJ departures as a percent of total that would be helping to drive this improvement?
J. Scott Kirby:
I don't know the number exactly off the top of my head.
Dan J. McKenzie:
Okay. That's it. That'll do it for me. Thanks, guys.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks.
Operator:
We'll go to Tom Kim with Goldman Sachs.
Tom Kim:
Good morning. Thanks for your time. I had a couple of questions on the international side. I wanted to start out with Brazil first of all. Just with regard to that market, do you feel like you're rightsized for it? And I guess I'm just wondering earlier, I think a comment was made that the market will cover when effectively the macro does. And I guess I'm wondering like what do you need to see to potentially get more aggressive on capacity? Thanks.
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, we've cut 30% of our capacity in Brazil. And so, we continue to look at the market, but we don't have any imminent plans to cut. We've cut 30%, but total capacity in the market is still up quite a bit and I think we're just, at the moment, hanging in there with what we have.
William Douglas Parker:
And Tom, it's extremely important part of the world for American Airlines. We're the largest carrier to Brazil and the South America so it's – we've cut back as Scott said 30%, but that is not a market we're going to abandon because it's so important strategically to us.
Tom Kim:
No, fair enough. I mean it's obviously the third largest domestic market in the world, and so you simply want good connectivity there. And then I guess just on the Atlantic side, can you give us an update in terms of the competitive landscape? And I guess more specifically, the JFK, Heathrow and I'm wondering if – with that sort of commentary if you could sort of update us on how your share has been progressing relative to your domestic peers? Thanks.
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, we have the best partner across Atlantic in IAG and specifically in JFK. Heathrow, the partnership that we have with British Airways, we're doing quite well. We've increased share in that market and we're more than holding on our own against all competitors in that market.
Tom Kim:
Great. Thanks very much.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, Tom.
Operator:
Go to Joseph DeNardi with Stifel.
Joseph DeNardi:
Hey. Thanks for squeezing me in. I'll just ask two. Scott, just on the – if I look at kind of load factor trends the past couple of quarters compared to this one, there's a pretty noticeable increase in loads with some softening in yield. So, just wondering if there is a change in kind of the RM-System this quarter that drove some of that?
J. Scott Kirby:
It's not so much a system change. The increase in load factor, well, we'll start across the wo whole industry, we all get better at squeezing people onto off-peak flights every year. And as much as anything for American, this was about getting more customers on off-peak flights, and the biggest increase in load factor on those off-peak flights was in markets where we're matching ultra-low-cost carriers.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay. I mean, domestically, can the load factor go beyond 88%? And then if you could just talk about how the revenue synergies start to phase and now do you have a single res system?
J. Scott Kirby:
I don't know how far they can go. Every year that I get asked this, you think it's at the highest it can realistically be and then the next year it's higher. So I'm going to stop predicting when we'll have a peak in terms of load factor. In terms of synergy, the two biggest ones yet to come are full connectivity across the network prior to getting the single reservation system. If you went to usairways.com and AA.com, you would see different prices often times. That's a whole bunch of reasons in the old management systems. Why that was different? That is now gone and we have effectively – we do have seamless availability between the two networks. And then the other one is moving aircraft around and putting the right-sized aircraft on the right route, again, prior to being on a single reservation system. We were limited in our ability to do that. We now have full reign to do that. That will take us a while to get done because there's also operational considerations to go along with that. And so, we'll start that next year, but we won't finish that piece of the integration really probably for 18 to 24 months.
Tom Kim:
Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
We'll go to Andrew Didora with Bank of America.
Andrew George Didora:
Hey. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for getting me in here at the end. Just had one question, I guess this is for Derek. Certainly I appreciate your commentary just in terms of addressing the cash balance and balance sheet coming up here. But your debt has been picking up this year obviously, particularly in 3Q as you brought back a lot of stock. Do you feel comfortable with leverage levels higher than today, particularly as your earnings grow or would you like to see this come down over the next, call it, 18 to 24 months?
Derek J. Kerr:
No. We'd like to see it come down. I mean, we're comfortable where we are today, but we'd like to see it come down over time. That's why we're going to look at – relook at everything from the leverage levels to the minimum cash, and try to figure out where we're going forward. But our plan is to bring it down over time.
Andrew George Didora:
Got it. Thank you.
William Douglas Parker:
Thanks, Andrew.
Operator:
We'll go to Darryl Genovesi with UBS.
Darryl Genovesi:
Hi, guys. Thanks for the time. Derek, any initial thoughts on 2016 CapEx at this point?
Derek J. Kerr:
We think it'll be around – we've said it's around $1 billion. We were at $900 million this year. Some of those reconfigurations that Scott had talked about that didn't get done this year are going to push into next year. So, we'll be around the, probably about $1.2 billion range for CapEx next year just due to some of the spending that we expected this year pushing into next year.
Darryl Genovesi:
Would the gross number be about five times that?
Derek J. Kerr:
Oh, no. That would just be the CapEx for non-aircraft. Aircraft CapEx is right around probably about $4.4 billion for aircraft CapEx.
Darryl Genovesi:
Great.
Derek J. Kerr:
Combined, it's $5.6 billion, in that range.
Darryl Genovesi:
Great. Thanks for that.
Derek J. Kerr:
Yes.
Darryl Genovesi:
And then, Doug, I've heard you say a few times this year that you don't think margins have peaked yet. And I guess I'd like it if you can put a little bit more meat on the bones there because the airline stock here is included, trading at single-digit P/E multiples do seem to imply margin deterioration from here. And just within the context of an industry that's earning probably above what most would consider it to be cost of capital and within that industry, your own margin seems already be very competitive at the high end of your peer group and a premium that Delta and United which holds even if kind of adjusted for the fuel losses away from you. So, I guess I wonder if your comment there regarding the forward margin progression was meant to be taken in an absolute sense or in a relative sense, and just generally speaking, why you think margins cannot just hold from here but actually higher? Thanks very much and apologies for the long-winded question.
William Douglas Parker:
No problem, Darryl, and I apologize in advance for hopefully what's not a really long-winded answer. But to the extent I said – anyway, here's what I believe which is the traditional – at least when I think of it as peak margins as though this is the best it's going to get, and you should expect declines from this point on. That's just not what this feels like at all. I do believe that the 2015 margins probably were higher than this economic cycle should warrant given fuel prices fell so quickly. And when fuel prices fell that quickly, capacity which rightfully, when your largest cost of production falls by 50%, one should expect capacity to come in. And if demand stays the same and capacity comes in, then by definition, prices fall. And that happened, but that didn't happen in the first part of the year. So, we probably had some artificially high margins for this point of the economic cycle at the start. So, if that's clear – so, therefore, we'll leave to you guys to project next year's margins, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if anyone was suggesting 2016 would be lower than 2015 margins with the exception of carriers that had large fuel hedges losses this year, which you should obviously adjust for. There is apples-to-apples, paying the same amount for fuel year-over-year and not losing a lot on hedges, I would expect you'd see most all airlines have margins lower in 2016 and 2015 because of what I described. That's not because – it doesn't mean to me that the business gotten worse. It just means fuel prices fell so fast than you can respond in time. And then what it feels like to me is beyond 2016, you see margin increases. So do they get back to where 2015 was and when did that happen, I don't know, but of course, they can be higher than they were in 2015. And what I definitely don't believe is whatever they are in 2016, that they would be lower than that in 2017. It doesn't feel like bad at all. Is that clear?
Darryl Genovesi:
Okay. Great. Well, thanks very much for that.
William Douglas Parker:
Yeah.
Executives:
Doug Parker - Chairman and CEO Derek Kerr - EVP and CFO Scott Kirby - President Dan Cravens - Managing Director, IR Robert Isom - EVP and COO
Analysts:
Julie Yates - Credit Suisse Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI Mike Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Hunter Keay - Wolfe Research Savanthi Syth - Raymond James and Associates Jamie Baker - JPMorgan Tom Kim - Goldman Sachs Joe DeNardi - Stifel Nicolaus Helane Becker - Cowen Securities LLC Dan McKenzie - Buckingham Research David Fintzen - Barclays Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley Terry Maxime - Dallas Morning News Jack Nicas - Wall Street Journal Jeffrey Dastin - Reuters Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star-Telegram Linda Lloyd - Philadelphia Inquirer David Koening - Associated Press Ted Reed - The Street
Operator:
Good day, everyone and welcome to the American Airlines Group Second Quarter 2015 Earnings Call. Today's conference call is being recorded. At this time all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. And now I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Dan Cravens :
Thanks, Jenny and good morning everybody and welcome to the American Airlines Group second quarter 2015 earnings conference call. Joining us on the call this morning is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Scott Kirby, our President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room for the Q and A session is Robert Isom, our Chief Operating Officer; Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications; Bev Goulet, our Chief Integration Officer; Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer; and Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs. As is our normal practice we are going to start the call this morning with Doug, and he will provide an overview of second quarter financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter, and provide some color on our guidance for the second half of 2015. Scott will then follow with commentary on the revenue environment and our operational performance. And then after we hear from those comments we will open the call for analyst questions, and lastly questions from the media. Before we begin though we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecasts of capacity, traffic, load factors, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in the earnings press release issued this morning, as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2015. In addition we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as net profit and CASM, excluding unusual items. A reconciliation to those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, and that can be found on our website at AA.com under the More about American/Investor Relations section. A webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information that we are giving you on the call is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us this morning. And at this point, I will turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker :
Thank you, Dan. Thank you everyone for being on. We, at American Airlines today reported record earnings of $1.9 billion, excluding special charges for the second quarter. It's a record, not just for the second quarter at American, but actually the highest earnings American has ever had in one quarter, in its history. And while we are not the keepers of all industry data, we think, since it was the highest earnings of any airline this quarter, we think it's the highest quarterly earnings that any commercial airlines ever reported in a quarter. So we are quite proud of that, and given the fact that this company was in bankruptcy about 18 months ago, to be producing the highest earnings any airlines ever produced is a testament to the amazing team we have and their great work. 100,000 hardworking people at American Airlines have come together, are doing a great job of integrating our airlines, and taking care of our customers. We are -- our confidence in our team, gives us confidence in our future. We repurchased over $750 million of our equity in the second quarter, as Derek will talk about, and today we announced we've authorized an additional $2 billion share repurchase over and above the $2 billion that we announced just in January. So very pleased with the results, and excited about our future. With that, I will turn it over to Derek, to give you more detail on the financials, and Scott will talk about revenue and performance.
Derek Kerr :
Great. Thanks, Doug and good morning, everyone. We did file our second quarter 2015 10-Q, along with our press release this morning. And in that earnings release, as Doug said, we reported the highest quarterly profit in the company's history. The second quarter was a net profit, excluding net special charges of $1.9 billion or $2.62 per diluted share, and this represents a $398 million improvement versus our second quarter of 2014, net profit excluding net special charges of a $1.5 billion or $1.98 per diluted share. Our second quarter 2015 pretax margin, excluding net special charges was a record 17.2%, up 4.4 points year-over-year. On a GAAP basis we reported a record second quarter net profit of $1.7 billion or $2.41 per diluted share, and this compares to a net profit of $864 million or $1.17 per diluted share in the same period last year. In the second quarter of 2015, we continued to invest in the airline by taking delivery of 24 mainline aircraft, and retiring 34 mainline aircraft. On the regional side we took delivery of nine aircraft and we removed from service and parked eight aircraft. Throughout the next few years we will continue our extensive fleet renewal program that has made American's fleet the youngest of any of the U.S. network airlines. During the remainder of the year, we expect to take delivery of 31 mainline aircraft and 29 regional aircraft, while retiring or parking 53 mainline aircraft and 22 regional aircraft. Total capacity for the second quarter was 69.4 billion ASMs, up 1.9% for the same period in 2014. Mainline capacity for the quarter was 61.9 billion ASMs, up 1.5%, while regional for the quarter was up 5.5% to 7.48 billion ASMs, due primarily to larger gauge aircraft, longer stage length, offset by fewer departures. Second quarter 2015 revenue was negatively impacted by large capacity increases in certain domestic and international segments, a strong U.S. dollar, and continued economic softness in Latin America. For the quarter, total operating revenues were $10.8 billion, down 4.6% from the same period last year. Passenger revenues were $9.4 billion, down 5.1%. Yields were down 6.1% on a 1.9% increase in system capacity. Cargo revenues were down 12.3% to $194 million, due primarily to lower international yields, and other operating revenues were $1.2 billion, up 0.4% year-over-year. Total RASM in the second quarter of 2015 was $0.156, down 6.4% for the same period last year. This decrease was driven principally by a decline in passenger RASM, which was $0.1357, down 6.9%, and Scott will give more details on that in his talk. The airlines operating expenses, excluding net special charges for the second quarter of 2015 were $8.8 billion, down 9.8% year-over-year, primarily due to a 37% decrease in consolidated fuel expense. We remain unhedged and our financial results continue to see a material financial benefit from the significant year-over-year decline in crude oil prices. Our average mainline fuel price including taxes for the second quarter was 1.9 -- a $1.90 per gallon, a 37% decline versus $3.02 per gallon in the second quarter of last year. Lower fuel prices drove 11.8% decline in mainline operating costs per ASM, excluding net special charges to $0.1164. Excluding net special charges in fuel, our mainline cost per ASM was $0.0877 in the second quarter, up 2.5% year-over-year. This increase is due primarily to higher salaries and benefit costs associated with our recent labor contracts, which increased our second quarter mainline CASM, excluding special charges and fuel by approximately 3.5 percentage points. These higher labor costs are reflected in our guidance for the remainder of the year. Regional operating cost per ASM, excluding net special charges was $0.1602 for the second quarter of 2015, an increase of 1.4%. So excluding net special charges and fuel, our consolidated second quarter CASM was up 2.6% year-over-year. We ended the second quarter with $9.7 billion in total cash and investments. Of this $747 million was restricted, and $629 million was held in Venezuela bolivars. The company also has an undrawn revolving credit facility of $1.8 billion, bringing our total unrestricted liquidity to $10.7 billion. During the second quarter the company refinanced each of its secured term loan facilities at lower interest rates while improving collateral terms. In addition, the company also extended the maturity of its $1.9 billion term loan facility by one year to June 2020. Subsequently, both credit facilities received a 25 point -- basis point reduction in interest rate due to the company's improved credit ratings from S&P and Moody's. During the second quarter of 2015 we generated $2.3 billion in cash flow from operations, and paid down $361 million in debt. The company returned $823 million to its shareholders through the payment of $70 million in quarterly dividends, and the repurchase of $753 million of common stock or 17.3 million shares at an average price of $43.53 per share. When combined with the dividends and shares repurchased during the first quarter, the company has returned approximately $1.1 billion to its shareholders in the first half of 2015. And since the merger closed we have returned approximately $3 billion to our shareholders. Based on the company's strong financial performance, its projected cash flow, and the repurchase activity to date, the American Airlines Group, Board of Directors has authorized an additional $2 billion share repurchase program to be completed by December 31, 2016. This brings the total amount of share repurchase programs authorized in 2015 to $4 billion. The company's Board of Directors has also declared a $0.10 per share dividend to be paid on August 24, 2015 to shareholders of record as of August 10, 2015. Turning now to our guidance for the remainder of the year, in our last IR update provided on July 10th, we lowered our full year overall system capacity growth and are now forecasting it to be up approximately 1%, resulting in full year domestic capacity growth of approximately 1% to 2% in 2015, while international capacity is expected to be up approximately 1%. For the back half of 2015 mainline capacity and ASMs break down in the quarter’s as follows; 63.6 billion in the third, 58.1 billion in the fourth. Regional capacity is 7.66 billion in the third, and 7.70 billion in the fourth. For the full year 2015, we are forecasting year-over-year total CASM, ex-special items and fuel to be up approximately 4% to 6%. The increase is driven primarily by the new labor contracts covering our pilots and flight attendants, and costs dedicated to improving the reliability of our operation. Mainline CASM, excluding special items and fuel is projected to be up approximately 4% to 6%, while regional CASM excluding special items and fuel is projected to be approximately flat to up 2%. Mainline CASM in the third quarter is projected to be up 3% to 5%, and in the fourth quarter, up 6% to 8%. And on the regional side, at the third quarter up 2% to 4%, and the fourth quarter approximately flat. As I mentioned in my earlier comments we continue to see a substantial financial benefit as a result of lower crude oil prices. Using the July 20, 2015 fuel curve we are forecasting our consolidated fuel price to be in the range of $1.78 to $1.83 per gallon. Based on these prices, we expect our 2015 consolidated fuel expense to improve by approximately $4.8 billion year-over-year. Mainline fuel in the third quarter expected to be $1.73 to $1.78, and in the fourth quarter, $1.71 to $1.76; regional fuel price in the third quarter at $1.75 to $1.80; and in the fourth, $1.73 to $1.78. Using the midpoints of the guidance we have provided, along with the PRASM guidance that Scott will give, we expect to continue the momentum with a record third quarter pretax margin excluding special items of between16% to 18%. For the remainder of 2015 we continue to expect a large increase in operating cash flow versus 2014. As the second half of 2015 progresses our focus will continue to be toward completing our integration, investing in the airline by renewing our fleet, improving our operational performance, and returning excess cash to shareholders. In terms of capital expenditures we are now forecasting total gross aircraft CapEx to be approximately $5.4 billion in 2015, of which approximately $2.5 billion will occur in the second half of the year. In addition, we continue to expect to invest $1 billion for non-aircraft [ph] CapEx which includes many investments to improve our product, and we also will make $1.8 billion in debt repayments throughout the year. In conclusion, we are very pleased to report the highest quarterly profit in the company's history, and I would like to thank our more than 100,000 team members for making these results possible. With that, I will turn it over to Scott.
Scott Kirby :
Thanks, Derek. I would like to start by thanking all the people of American Airlines for the great job they’ve continued doing operationally. April and May continued to be difficult weather months, particularly here in Dallas. But as we moved into summer we have seen a return to more normal weather patterns, and the team has been running a very good operations in both June and July. On the revenue front, our second quarter RASM was down 7%. The stronger U.S. dollar and declining international fuel charges made up about two points of that decline. Venezuela was another 0.5 point and Brazil had about one-half -- almost a 0.5 point impact on system PRASM as well. Domestically, PRASM was down 5%. We saw the strongest performance in New York where PRASM was actually up year-over-year. At DFW, our largest hub, PRASM was down 5%, which was right in line with the rest of the domestic system. Obviously, the Dallas headwinds are more challenging than the rest of the system, and we attribute the relatively strong performance -- and I emphasize relative because we never like to see PRASM down 5%, to the re-banking of DFW and to the improved PRASM performance we have seen in LCC competitive markets, as we continue to match more and more of their prices. In the Atlantic, PRASM was down 9%, as total capacity across the Atlantic jumped in Q2 relative to the first quarter. Across the Pacific, PRASM was down 13% on 33% capacity growth. Currency and surcharges have had a particularly large impact in this region. And given our level of capacity growth, combined with the currency effect, we continue to be pleased with the absolute demand to Asia. Latin America, PRASM was down 13%, but it really is the tale of Brazil and Venezuela, versus the rest of Latin America. Brazil PRASM was down 24%, on a 20% cut in capacity at American Airlines, and Venezuela PRASM was down over 40%, despite a 59% cut in capacity. The rest of our Latin America network had a modest decline in PRASM, which given the level of capacity growth in those markets indicates fairly healthy Latin demand outside of Brazil and Venezuela. On the integration front, we continue to remain on progress and remain on schedule with our integration plans. In the past week we passed a significant milestone in locking down the date for our reservation system cut-over in October, and we started the 90 day drain down process. We feel confident about the plan and the trainings that are in place to successfully complete the res system migration. And we look forward to getting over that hurdle, because it will unlock some of the remaining synergies, and also allow our IT and business teams to turn their attention towards making improvements in all of our processes and systems, instead of being focused almost exclusively on getting through the integration. Turning to the outlook going forward, the same factors that drove a 7% PRASM decline in Q2 continue into Q3. Currency and surcharge declines will impact system PRASM by approximately 2.5 points. We continue to see significant year-over-year competitive growth, capacity growth, particularly here in Dallas. And in South America, Brazil remains challenged, and we don't anticipate any material changes compared to the 2Q performance. Likewise in Venezuela we expect the revenue environment to continue roughly as it was in 2Q, though we now overlapped our significant drawdown in capacity from last year. So the overall impact on system PRASM is smaller. Given all this, we expect our system PRASM to decline 6% to 8% in the third quarter. In conclusion we are very encouraged with the operating, integration and financial results at American Airlines. The revenue environment faces a number of challenges, but we think we are managing well in this environment, and continuing to produce record financial results in spite of those challenges.
Dan Cravens :
Great, operator, we are ready for questions. Actually, I'm sorry, we are not ready for questions. Sorry, I have a -- [indiscernible] note from our lawyers. So before we start questions, as you all know, American and some of our competitors have received a civil investigative demand from the Department of Justice. We, at American sent a letter to our team a few weeks ago on this topic that includes our views, that letter is now public. We are not going to restate all that here. In short, we are complying with the investigation, and are confident it will result in no findings against American. So this is now a legal process and we are not going to be able to respond to specific questions on that. So we thank you for understanding. So with that said, operator, we are now ready for questions. Sorry about that. Thanks.
Operator:
Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question with one follow-up question. At this time we will go to questions from our analysts. We will hear first from Julie Yates of Credit Suisse.
Julie Yates:
Thank you for taking my question. Scott, you mentioned unlocking remaining synergies following the reservation system integration. What are the key opportunities to continue to optimize the airline and capture the remaining revenue and cost synergies? And can you just remind us where you think that remaining synergy number is?
Scott Kirby:
So there’s two big ones. One is just improved connectivity between the network and selling as a single code for -- if you go out and look at America -- or usairways.com and american.com, just as a simple example, you will often find different prices. That’s because of the inherent challenges with running a codeshare as opposed to having a seamless single system. And so all that goes away once we are on a single reservation system. And the second one is being able to essentially optimize the fleet, put the right-sized aircraft in the right market. At the time of the merger we said each of those was worth about $300 million. The first one, the connectivity we’ve probably gotten half of it, and there is another half yet to come. And the optimizing the fleet we haven't really done anything on yet. It won't happen right away. When we do the transition to single res system, but we will be able to start that process, and it will probably take us 12 months to 18 months just to get through the first big wave of that, and then continue to continue to optimize over time. The other thing that I think we are looking -- I know we are looking forward to is while they aren't synergies per se, there’s all kinds of things that we want to do that will drive better revenue performance, that will drive better operations performance, that will drive better customer service. And we have been really limited in being able to do that, because all of our business teams and IT resources have been focused on getting the integration done. And also we couldn't work on those -- interfere with those systems while we were in the middle of the integration. So we will be able to start a whole long backlog of projects that we haven't been able to do. That is not technically synergy but it’s incremental value that will also be created once we are through the rev system migration. So we are as a company really looking forward to it. We are really quite confident. I am sure it won't be perfect but our teams have done just a fantastic job so far in every piece of the integration. So we are confident we will get through this and be able to really hit the accelerator on moving things forward.
Julie Yates:
And this the seniority list of integration, is that a gating factor at all to capture any of those and just what’s the timing on that?
Scott Kirby:
It’s not and we still expect that to be done end of this year or early next year. We can't combine those work forces until we get to single flight operating system which happens later in 2016. In any event, we expect to have the seniority list done well in advance of that but it is not a big issue in terms of -- we can move fleet around for example even before we got to a single seniority list.
Julie Yates:
Okay, very helpful. Thank you.
Operator:
And we will go to our next question from Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey, good morning.
Doug Parker :
Good morning.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Maybe I missed it, but can you give us any regional commentary in your 3Q unit revenue guidance and specifically I wonder if you detect any improvement sequentially in the domestic market?
Scott Kirby:
No. I’d say the short answer to that is no, we don't detect improvement in the domestic market. I don't think it’s getting any worse. I mean for us specifically, there is another big slug of capacity that’s coming out of Love Field with eight new markets opening up in August. So that will put incremental pressure on Dallas, but the basic trends domestically I think are largely unchanged and that makes sense. If you look at the capacity situation, the numbers are very similar in 3Q as they were in 2Q. They are similar in 4Q as well. And so absent a large change in the macro economy I think that the numbers kind of broadly speaking will be similar.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
So just to follow-up, domestic down in kind of the 5% range, similar to what you saw in Q2 feels about right?
Scott Kirby:
Well, I am not going to give a specific forecast on it, but I think it is -- we don't see any real change in the trend. I don't know for sure if that means exactly down 5%, but we don't really see a change in the trends. Costs change a little bit year-over-year, there’s some things that get better, some days get worse. But I was answering the trend question without getting into a precise forecast.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thank you. And then just on Latin America or even the Pacific, can you talk about how much of a priority pursuing partnerships, closer partnerships, perhaps joint ventures, how far away from getting -- are we away from getting some of those international regions a little more rational?
Scott Kirby:
Well, I don't know what you mean by -- I am not going to comment on whether they are rational or not but we have had some great partnerships that yield real benefits for our customers. We have two JVs today, or actually three. The new one, that’s coming online is Qantas. And we continue to believe that, that opens up new markets for us, opens up new markets for our customers, creates growth opportunities for us. The Qantas JV is a great example of creating growth opportunities for American Airlines that we couldn’t pursue on our own but we can with a strong partner and for Qantas who’s been able to put back new service that they wouldn’t be able to do on their own. So we look to joint ventures as a way to improve our results, expand our route map and create growth opportunities and we will continue to look for opportunities to do that going forward.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Thank you very much.
Operator:
And moving on, we will go to a question from Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank.
Doug Parker :
Hey, Mike.
Mike Linenberg:
Hi, yeah, hey, good morning, everyone. Hey, just to touch on Duane bringing -- what Duane brought up on the JVs, I believe October of this year the U.S.-Brazil open skies is fully phased in. And I am not sure have you guys filed with the regulators an ATI-JV with your Latin counterparts?
Doug Parker :
We have not.
Mike Linenberg:
Okay. Next question is for Derek. Can you just update us on where you are with respect to your pension, the underfunding piece? I mean we’ve started to see discount rates come off the bottom. What’s the latest on that, Derek?
Derek Kerr:
I think we are under the Airline Relief Act at this point in time, so we are fully funded under the Airline Relief Act. We are about 62% funded overall, but under the Airline Relief Act we do not have any payments that we have to do until around 2019. So our forecast would show at this point in time we look at it every quarter, that we don't have any payments for pension funding through 2019 because we are fully funded under the Airline Relief Act for every one of our groups.
Mike Linenberg:
Derek, do you have a sense on what the TBO is relative to the plan assets? What that difference is at this point, you haven't done a calculation recently?
Derek Kerr:
We haven't done the calculation recently, but I can get that to you.
Mike Linenberg:
Not a problem. Okay, great, thank you.
Operator:
And we will hear next up from Hunter Keay of Wolfe Research.
Hunter Keay:
Good morning, guys.
Doug Parker :
Hey, Hunter.
Hunter Keay:
So, Scott, have you been taking market share with your rebank, mainly DFW? And if so, have you seen any kind of unintended consequences from that, maybe in markets unrelated to DFW?
Scott Kirby:
I am not sure -- I’m not entirely sure what that question means but what I can say is that we have been quite pleased with the results of the rebanking at all three of our hubs, and Dallas in particular. I mean you look at Dallas performing inline with the system average, with the huge increase in capacity in the Dallas market, is a pretty clear indicator that rebanking has been successful and we are really pleased with it and continue to work to refine it operationally but it’s going great.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. I guess sort of tangentially related to that, maybe this provides some clarity of what I was driving at, but Doug, you sent out a letter to the employees a couple weeks ago. You said that you’ve maintained and expanded the maverick pricing philosophies which were a reference to the advantage fares that US Airways used to employ. What did you mean when you used the word expanded? Does that mean that you are putting the advantage fare concept on American metal, you are expanding it through various codeshare mechanisms or what did you mean specifically when you said you expanded the use of the advantage fares?
Doug Parker :
That’s exactly what it means, Hunter. This is one of the, I think well, it’s presumably surprising to the folk at the DOJ, though I understand why they had the perspective that they did at the time. They are worried that American -- US Airways advantage fares would go away. And in fact what has happened is we expanded advantage fares, not only to the US Airway system but put them in the entire American network and actually another step beyond that is that Delta and United have actually put them in a lot of their networks, as well. So advantage fare pricing has gone from being something that was exclusively on the US Airways network to something that is now on the entire American network and on big parts of the United and Delta networks as well.
Hunter Keay:
Okay, thanks a lot for the time.
Operator:
And we will hear next from Savi Syth of Raymond James
Savanthi Syth:
Hey, good morning. Just the investments that are being made to improve operational performance, I wonder if you can provide a little more clarity on that. Just how much of the cost pressure is that? And is there going to be any of that continuing into 2016? And it’s clearly a good project and then the timeline on when you kind of expect to see that flowing into operations and earnings.
Derek Kerr:
Yes. This is Derek, and then Robert can touch on it. You know we’ve looked at a lot of what we were going to do in the back half of the year to reduce head count and do other things but we’ve decided to leave that in and leave it in place so that we can get through the integration. It is about a point of CASM I would say in the fourth quarter, that we’ve added. We’ve added staffing in areas like reservations and maintenance and the airports to make sure as we go through this in the fall and get through the operations, or get through the PSS migration and other things into the fall we have enough staff to be able to get through all of those. I do believe most of that will come out and it will come out in part in the middle of 2016. And I do think, and Robert can touch on where the operations is now, but I think our July is just running really well. So Rob, why don't you touch on ops?
Robert Isom:
Sure. Like Derek said, July operations are where we want them to be. Our completion factors are in the mid-99% plus. Our on time performance is 80% plus. And we are executing day in and day out. We are near in terms of departing exactly on time. The kind of investments that we’ve made so far have been in a number of areas, maintenance by putting personnel in places that quite frankly we didn't have them before. So increasing maintenance opportunities for ourselves. We’ve invested a lot in renewal of equipment. Our capital plan had almost $100 million or over $100 million in terms of resources, additional and for replacement purposes. And then we have done things in the airports too, to ensure that we get our baggage performance where we want it and that we meeting and taking care of aircraft like we want them. So looking forward though the investments are really about making sure that when we do get into increment weather and when we do have irregular operations that we are ready to handle them. So a lot of investments is coming and being put into place now to make sure that we are ready for the fall and winter season.
Savanthi Syth:
That’s very helpful. So that investment should be done by the middle of 2016?
Robert Isom:
Yes.
Savanthi Syth:
Okay, great. And just one last question on ancillary revenue; just wonder if you can talk about what you are seeing there and perhaps what the opportunities following the system integration in October?
Scott Kirby:
We continue to see growth in our ancillary revenues as we’ve expanded some of the product lines and also learned from best practices at each of the two airlines. And earlier I alluded to, or talked about post integration. We have a lot of projects and plans. So a lot of our ideas which we are not ready to announce we can't talk about specifics here today, but a lot of them fall into that ancillary category of new ways to merchandise the product in a way that is good for our customers, is something that we are looking forward to doing once we get through integration.
Savanthi Syth:
Very helpful. Thank you.
Doug Parker :
Thank you.
Operator:
And we will go next to Jamie Baker of JPMorgan.
Doug Parker :
Hey, Jamie.
Jamie Baker:
Hey, good morning, everybody. Scott, when I look at your pretax margins, relative to the industry, they are actually no better today than when the merger first closed and admittedly this is back of the envelope. I haven't made any adjustments for fuel, but the simple reality is that based on this observation you don't seem to be demonstrating really any synergies. In fact, six quarters into the new company and the word synergy only appeared once in today's release and it was in the forward-looking statement disclosure that nobody ever reads. I know other issues have taken center stage as of late, but -- and the integration isn’t complete. You addressed an earlier question on that. But shouldn't a merged entity this far into its existence already be showing some improvement relative to the industry?
Scott Kirby:
Well, I guess I would disagree to your analysis. First, I’m not sure how you could look at pretax margins before and after and come to conclusion that, that delta hasn't changed. We have the best pretax margins of all the network carriers right now. And I don't remember the exact numbers, but I am pretty sure that American and US Airways did not have the best margins in the industry previously. So I first thing that analysis, I would question it. Second, some of the -- we have at least two really big things that I would argue, affected essentially the baseline for American that we had to overcome. American was going to underperform because of basically what was going to happen at Love Field and Venezuela. That is unique to America has absolutely nothing do with the merger or with integration or with synergies, and you would have to make that adjustment. So I guess at a high level I look at it and say American has the best margins in the industry and did not have them before and particularly when you take Venezuela and Love Field into account I guess I would reach a different conclusion.
Doug Parker :
Hey, Jamie, it’s Doug, so we just -- we by happenstance just had a Board meeting this week and did a full review with outside help on the synergies. And I am happy to report the analysis shows just what Scott said. We are exceeding our estimates for synergies by our analysis. They are indeed hard to see on a macro basis because of what Scott just described, because there are things specific to American that aren't specific to other airlines. So you need to adjust for that. But if you make that adjustment what you will see is we are extremely happy with the results of the merger and the synergy we have created, and they continue to grow through time. So we are doing more than we thought we would be able to accomplish as a result the merger and the synergy it would create.
Jamie Baker:
Okay, I appreciate that. And just to be clear I wasn't comparing this to the pre-merger company I was comparing the pretax margin premium to sort of the first three quarters of the newly merged company and where you fleshed out recently, and it's been about 200 bps, fairly constant. So I can share that analysis with you later. Second question, Scott, you didn't articulate a path to PRASM growth, and costs are going to rise over time. That’s inevitable. So in the absence of a path to positive RASM at some point, profits eventually are going to shrink unless oil just keeps declining in perpetuity and that can't happen. So is this what management anticipates and if not, where is that path to RASM growth? Thanks a lot.
Scott Kirby:
So first I would start by saying we are producing records results. And I know there’s an obsession in the market with PRASM but producing the most profitable, as Doug said, the most profitable quarter not only in American Airlines’ history, but as far as we can determine in the history of aviation in an environment where PRASM declined 7%. That said I know a lot of investors do focus almost exclusively on PRASM and I don't know when PRASM is going to turn positive. It is being driven right now by really the same -- the three factors that we talked about. Capacity is growing faster than demand. Currency is having an effect and there are some places around the world where the macro economies are weak. So I think to get to positive PRASM you have to have some or all of those three variables have to change. That’s just the math. If we look out through the balance of this year we know that capacity in the third and fourth quarters is going to be roughly the same as it was in the second quarter. Currency gets a little bit easier in the fourth quarter but not nearly enough to overcome seven point negative PRASM. I don't anticipate a massive recovery in Brazil and Venezuela in that. So almost certainly the fourth quarter will be negative. And if you look out into the first half of next year looks like capacity is going to be trending similar to what it is right now. And currency does ease, the currency pressures ease and maybe the economies start to recover, but it looks to me like the first time you can really have a reasonable expectation for positive PRASM is the second half of next year. That said, American does have some things that are uniquely going to help us as we get through the integration and can start to do some of the synergy things that we’ve talked about. But when you are trying to overcome a seven point negative PRASM decline, it’s not going to be enough to overcome that. So I think we are looking at the second half of next year.
Jamie Baker:
Okay, thanks very much, everybody. Take care.
Doug Parker :
Hey, Jamie, it’s Doug. I am going to chime in on this. I think it is a big deal that we do keep hearing about. So just to add on to Scott's comments, from a very high level, look, I mean, two things; one, we are really bullish. We would not have purchased $753 million of our stock in the quarter at an average price of $43.53, if we thought the stock wasn't worth more $43.53. And we are bullish in spite of what you said and what Scott said. So what I am getting at, the focus on -- the intense focus on unit revenues is, look, I think it is important but I would encourage everybody to look at valuation, which I know is your job, not ours. But look past -- I will say this. Look there is no doubt that if supply exceeds demand unit revenues go down. And there is no down -- and if unit revenue goes down more than cost per ASM goes down, margins decline. That’s simple math and no one’s disputing that. And we are not suggesting that may not be the case. What I’m suggesting is that we know all that and we are really bullish. Because for some reason it feels like the market has taken those two sets of facts and decided that, that means bad things are around you when we are trading on multiples that are well below what I think, if anybody really would fight through all this, would do. So look the market will do what the market will do. If it continues to be -- to have this view it will just allow us the opportunity to purchase more stock. So we are going to keep on the company, do it right. We are really happy where we are. We are really bullish on the future and we are bullish on the stock at this point.
Jamie Baker:
Excellent. I appreciate you chiming in Doug, thanks gentlemen.
Doug Parker :
Thanks Jamie.
Operator:
And moving on, we will hear next from Tom Kim of Goldman Sachs.
Tom Kim:
Good morning and thanks for your time here. I wanted to ask with reward to jet fuel, the consensus view is clearly that oil’s going to be lower for longer, and given that you don’t hedge that, so could prove to be a fantastic strategy and obviously you are a great beneficiary of that today. But if we play devil's advocate, how do manage that earnings risk if jet fuel unexpectedly does spike?
Derek Kerr:
Well, I think we feel really good about our ability to manage in a world where oil prices go up. We have done that historically. We have all the traditional levers to pull to do that. If you are getting at the point of should we hedge or not, the problem with that it’s really expensive to buy that insurance. I mean you look at how much our competitors have lost this year on that so-called safe insurance policy. It’s a really expensive thing to do. There is no free lunch. You can't go off and protect against the downside and pretend it doesn't cost you a lot of money. So we are still in the no-hedging category because we think it’s the best answer for American Airlines.
Tom Kim:
So does that mean -- how responsive do you think you would have to be with regard to just pulling down the capacity to reduce the cost to adjust to that kind of environment, or do you think there is enough flex in the system to be working on the other side of the angle where you have pricing flexibility?
Derek Kerr:
You know, if you look back at history, it seems that airline revenues have a pretty good correlation with fuel prices. When fuel prices have gone up, revenues have gone up. As we have seen fuel prices come down this year, airline revenues have also followed that down and consumers have benefited and I expect that correlation will stay in place.
Tom Kim:
Fair enough. And if I could ask a bigger picture question, generally from your experience, how long does it typically take for the market to respond to oversupply, which seems to be the case here in the U.S.? And more specifically we have seen LCCs now growing at a large multiple to GDP and as you -- we all know, I mean the last time that this happened was back in the 2000s. And I’m wondering what we are seeing today, is it any different from that period of time? Thank you.
Scott Kirby:
Look I am not going to endorse the words you used, that responding to oversupply because frankly we don't think that’s what’s happening. Airlines are making independent decisions. Everybody is reporting the best in their history profitability. And so I guess I would quibble with the start of the question.
Tom Kim:
Well, I mean if we look at RPM growth relative to ASMs broadly across the domestic, I think it is factual that we’ve seen load factors have come down. That’s the nature of the question. We certainly don't dispute the fact that the industry is very competitive and will always be so. I am just wondering with regard to what we are seeing, I mean how does the industry respond to this sort of environment?
Scott Kirby:
I can't answer an industry question. I do think that RPMs have actually grown faster than ASM. Load factors are up but I can't give an industry response question because there is no such thing as an industry response.
Tom Kim:
Okay, no that’s fair enough. Thanks a lot.
Doug Parker :
This is Doug, I will try and help you. This is Doug again. What I think everyone acknowledges is ASMs have grown faster than demand of late which does put pressure on revenue per ASM. I don't think that’s news to anybody. But again, just like we -- in response to the first part of your question, as we have often said, if the -- what we believe happens in a world where fuel prices go up a lot, I think you would see -- we think you would see certainly at American and you would see capacity adjust to higher costs. I think what you are seeing is fuel prices have fallen a good amount and capacity has adjusted to those costs. I think that’s an important point to make. Much of the capacity growing in excess and demand is because we are seeing a huge change in the cost structure of the business. I don't think that should be unexpected.
Tom Kim:
I appreciate that color. Thanks very much.
Doug Parker :
Yes.
Operator:
And we will hear next from Joseph DeNardi of Stifel.
Joe DeNardi:
Hey, thanks, good morning. Scott, I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks that you are seeing a PRASM benefit from some of your LCC markets. And I’m just wondering if you can provide some more color on that. And are you seeing a behavior change from some of your competitors. And then in terms of what’s left to match pricing on, if you could maybe quantify some of that?
Scott Kirby:
Okay, well, as we -- this has been a gradual evolution as we have matched ultra-low cost carriers, in particular in more and more markets. To your third question, I think we are all-in now in matching everywhere. And what we saw as we matched is that the relative RASM performance of those markets, the local market plus the connecting traffic flows on those segments actually got a little bit better and that’s in a world where the rest of the system was declining a little bit at a system level? So those markets have outperformed. It only makes sense. Our customers care about price and we are a price taker in those markets. But our customers care about that and we have won back some market share that we had lost by not being price competitive.
Joe DeNardi:
Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
And moving on we will go to Helane Becker of Cowen
Helane Becker:
Thanks very much, operator. Hi, guys. Thank you for the time.
Doug Parker :
Hello, Helane.
Helane Becker:
Doug, I actually have a question for you. With respect to something you said last quarter or maybe the quarter before, when we were talking about paying down debt versus buying back stock, I think you mentioned that because money was so cheap you would rather buy back stock, which I don't disagree with at all. I like that as a plan. But when you think about interest rates rising, does it make sense to maybe look at the balance sheet more aggressively and do more debt pay down?
Doug Parker :
Yes, Helane. Here’s what we think. I mean the first -- I mean generating cash through profits, having already a large cash balance on hand, the first thing we do is look to where we can invest in the business. We are doing that in a big way. And the product is improving according, as Derek and Robert have already talked about. The next thing we look to do is pay down high cost debt. We’ve done a lot of that as Derek has talked about and everything that we can. And then we are left with here come new airplanes and do you pay cash for those or do you finance them? And in our case, irrespective of whatever the credit ratings may be, the rates that the markets are allowing us to raise, to finance aircraft just seem like it would be not in our shareholders' interest to not use. What was the last financing for those…?
Derek Kerr:
Under 4%.
Doug Parker :
Under 4%. So at those levels, we think we can do a better job for our shareholders by borrowing long term aircraft at well below 4% and using the cash on hand actually to return to our shareholders because it is indeed, their cash. So that’s what we believe. That could, of course, change over time, Helane, if those markets change. We don’t see any indication of that. The math I just went through doesn't change if there is a 25 basis point increase in interest rates or something like that but it could change over time. And that’s what we continue to assess. But certainly where the market is today and what we have to finance which are high quality aircraft that are coming in, I would expect you would continue to see us continue to finance aircraft as they come in, pay down high cost debt as it comes -- to the extent it matures, but we don't have much of that left either, and make sure we maintain a healthy cash balance but also make sure that to the extent we have what we would deem as any cash in excess of that, return to our shareholders.
Helane Becker:
That’s great. Thank you. And then my other question with respect to capacity, is I noticed in the last quarter, the second quarter you guys had, I don't know what the right word is, canceled options or returned options and postponed deferred deliveries. So as we look out to the rest of this year and into next year are there other times we should be mindful of when you would have options to exercise again?
Derek Kerr:
Helane, this is Derek. What we actually did is took firm deliveries and moved firm deliveries. And what we did is move them out later in the delivery stream. So we just pushed them out. At this point in time we don't have any other opportunities, but we will continue to look at that, but there is no options that are out there that we plan on exercising any time soon. All of the deliveries that we have are firm deliveries and those modifications are to the firm delivery schedule. And if we have others we will let everybody know when that happens.
Helane Becker:
Okay. Great. Thank you.
Doug Parker :
Thanks, Helane.
Operator:
And moving on we will go to Dan McKenzie of Buckingham Research.
Dan McKenzie:
Hey, good morning, guys. Doug, I would like to just kind of follow-up on Jamie's question, just with taking a little bit different tack. Just kind of going over the past two decades, legacy airlines really don’t have a great track record competing against low cost carriers and American has, has consistently capitulated [ph] over a decade. That’s not happening today and you guys are reporting record profits. So the question here is at what point would you feel it would be necessary to take more aggressive steps to defend the core business? In other words how far would you permit EBITDA or pretax margins to fall before you would step in to defend profits? And the worry here is that the end game is losses at some point, of course.
Doug Parker :
Hey, Dan. Look, we don't look at it like that at all, in terms of what it -- we, first off, also reject the premise here. What we built is an airline that can compete with anybody. And certainly with our route network and our hub structure we have a competitive advantage, even where we have a -- even though we may have a competitive disadvantage on cost, we have a competitive advantage in terms of product primarily and maybe first and foremost the ability to connect traffic to compete against point to point carriers but then also as far as things such as premium traffic, international flows and all those things that they can't do. So we have a real competitive advantage and we have historically done really well with that advantage versus a cost disadvantage. So I expect that will be the case in the future and we always compete on price. I don't understand the question, frankly, because that’s what we also do and that’s what we -- because we have to. It is a very competitive business. Customers care a lot about the price of the ticket and we have to compete on price, so we will continue to.
Dan McKenzie:
Well, I guess just to clarify the question, there are obviously investors that take longer term views on a stock, say three to five years and should we think about core margins as say 14% to 16%, you would be willing to defend over a multi-year period? Or at this point is it not -- because that’s frankly some of your competitors are putting out sort of longer term profit objectives, investors are really thinking about the space and whether or not it deserves to be a high quality industrial valuation multiple is merited. And so I guess I’m just trying to think of your business over the course of the cycle.
Doug Parker :
Yeah, fair enough, look, and again I don’t -- here’s what I think. We bought in $750 million of our shares as quoted at $43 and we view that as a long term investment that we are really happy about. So and that takes into account all the issues you are describing that we are cognizant of and highly confident of our ability to compete with anybody and will compete with anybody and we have a great company [ph] and it’s -- we can compete with anything out there. We don't base our competition based on trying to maintain a certain margin. Our goal is to maximize our margins and do better than others. We are doing that now. We expect to continue to do that in the future.
Dan McKenzie:
Okay. Thanks Doug.
Operator:
And next we will hear from David Fintzen of Barclays.
David Fintzen:
Hey, good morning everyone. No to sort of belabor this point, follow up on sort of both Jamie and Dan’s questions, but Doug if I kind of go back to your response to Jamie is your point kind of realistically that we may be achieved for American peak margin this cycle and that’s fine, they are exceptionally high and there is a lot you can do with it? Or is there -- trying to square this with some of Scott's comments, is there an ambition to sort of drive margins higher from here in these initiatives? I just want to make sure I fully understand what you are saying.
Doug Parker :
I didn’t [ph] say anything about peak margins. That’s not what I think. And again we are trying really hard to not give you projections that -- we simply don't know what they are going to be. All I said was if indeed there is revenue per ASM falls more than cost per ASM margins will decline. And you guys can go do analysis on it based on your own views about demand growth and capacity growth and fuel prices. But I’m not -- all I was saying is that, that’s math and that could indeed happen. Certainly if you look at the trends that are there today. That doesn't mean it continues to happen over time or anything close to it. I think a rational -- if indeed that happened I think a rational way to view what happened was there was a major change in the cost structure of this business, that’s something that’s by far the largest expense in the business fell by 50 -- has fallen by 50%, not saying it’s going to stay there but that’s -- you can't ignore that. When that happens you get the full benefit once the prices fall as quickly as they do, and the revenue environment takes longer to adjust. So that may be is what happened here and what you see -- if that’s true, what you would expect to see is the cost stay about where they are and the revenues fall for some period of time, but then it picks back up. At any rate I am not giving projections. I just am talking math to an analyst. So you guys know as well as I do. So but we are not here -- by no means does this feel to me like a peak, I don't think it is a peak in the economy and we are a cyclical business. But so -- and it certainly doesn't feel like the beginning of a continued decline in margins. I sure don't feel that way. If we thought that we wouldn’t good buying in $750 million of equity at this price.
David Fintzen:
I appreciate that. That helps. More maybe tactically, you guys mentioned obviously Brazil, when I look at sort of the forward schedule, some of the cuts seemed to moderate, how should we think about Brazil capacity into the winter?
Scott Kirby:
For American we were down 20%. We are going to still be down in the third quarter and fourth quarter, but the numbers are much less. We are now overlapping when we made the cuts last year and at a total level I think capacity is growing something like 10% or so.
Doug Parker :
Right.
David Fintzen:
And is that kind of reflecting -- you have kind of gone as far as you can go with some of your cuts? Or are there -- and I guess as macro deteriorates it can quickly get ahead of these things, I’m just kind of is that -- how do you view that phasing or is there a level where you kind of schedule integrity sort of gives you a bottom line and you can't go beyond that?
Scott Kirby:
We don't have any announcements to make on additional changes to Brazil capacity today.
David Fintzen:
Okay, all right. Appreciate all the color. Thanks.
Doug Parker :
Thank you.
Operator:
And we will hear at this time from Rajeev Lalwani of Morgan Stanley.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Hi, thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to come back to buybacks. And you guys did a great job this quarter of purchasing your stock. Is there any reason to believe that, that’s not going to continue going forward just in case you have to build more cash associated with the integration and that sort of thing?
Doug Parker :
It’s Doug, again, we have -- if you look at the balance sheet we have an ample amount of cash to deal with the integration and deal with any future needs. So you shouldn't be concerned that we couldn’t continue to purchase stock because of cash balances. But there’s also no guarantee that we will. We don't -- we won’t -- we can't talk about how we decide to purchase stock but you shouldn't worry about the fact we don't have sufficient cash. We do.
Rajeev Lalwani:
All right. In terms of pulling down that cash, at what point would you do it? Is it sort of a multi-year process or is it sort of post 4Q this year when you have that…?
Doug Parker :
Again we try not to do this systematically. We try and do it opportunistically. So I think you should -- I don't really answer that. We have -- it certainly we have enough cash on hand today. We have projections of future cash generation and we will purchase stock based on our view of the value of the stock versus the market’s perception of the value.
Rajeev Lalwani:
Very helpful. Thank you.
Operator:
And now for our media audience, [Operator Instructions]. And at this time we will hear from Terry Maxime of Dallas Morning News.
Terry Maxime:
Good morning, guys. I would like to elaborate on your reaction to the low fare and ultra-low fare carrier out of Dallas/Fort Worth. Is it correct to stay that you stepped up your matching of low fares in recent months or have you done it rather consistently since [indiscernible] went away last October?
Doug Parker :
Well, there has been a lot more press about it of late, a lot more conversation. But I think it’s just been a consistent evolution.
Terry Maxime:
Have you increased the level of matching or has had your pricing philosophy been rather consistent as markets came into the fray?
Scott Kirby:
Well, it has evolved and some more markets have -- there are more markets where we are matching than we would have been matching 18 months ago. But it’s not like there was a magic moment where that happened, and there’s more markets. The other thing that happened is in a world where supply is larger than demand you have more seats available. So one of the other things that happens is with your management, your management per flight is projected to go out full, we will only have a number of seats available at the lowest fares in the market. But when there is more supply than there is demand you have more seats available. And so it is true that there are probably more seats available right now, but that’s really a function of the macro balance of supply and demand.
Terry Maxime:
All right. I just have one other question, what are your plans on the MD 80? Have you stepped up plans to retire them and basically when do you expect to get them out of the fleet?
Derek Kerr:
This is Derek, the MD 80s are going to be out of the fleet by the end of 2017. And that’s consistent with where we have been. We haven't stepped up plans to move them out.
Terry Maxime:
Thank you.
Doug Parker :
Thanks Terry.
Operator:
And we will go next to Jack Nicas of the Wall Street Journal.
Jack Nicas:
Hi, guys. I appreciate a lot of the color you gave in some of these answers. And I got to go back to the PRASM topic, because it’s such a hot topic right now. And I think there this interesting juxtaposition of record results with PRASM decline. And naturally, analysts and we journalists want to keep a critical eye on things. So there is this intense focus as you said, Doug, on unit revenue trend. But to the layman, I think this is all confusing. You see American doubling profits, but all I hear about is weak revenue performance. So Doug, can you speak to the layman for a moment and give us your take on how important these PRASM trends really are? Is this a chink in your armor?
Doug Parker :
Yes. Thanks, Jack. I view the change in American's revenue per ASM -- again we have specific markets we can talk about, but in general, what we see is a result of there being more capacity put into the market than demand has grown. It just -- which is simple. I don't believe it should be unexpected because our largest cost has fallen 50% year-over-year. So I think that’s an expected reaction to lower costs, lower cost of production result in more production. And that’s what we are seeing here. And what’s nice to see is the revenues haven't fallen nearly as much as the costs are falling and as a result earnings are growing. So that is what’s happening. I think it’s as simple as that. That’s a positive thing, not a negative.
Jack Nicas:
Okay, great. Thank you. Finally, can you guys just clarify has there been any change to capacity plans for 2015 in this announcement today?
Scott Kirby:
No.
Jack Nicas:
Okay. So what’s the current plan and that’s obviously [indiscernible]?
Scott Kirby:
Capacity for the -- let me get that number. Capacity for the quarter is to be up approximately 1%. Domestically up 1% to 2% and international up approximately 1%.
Jack Nicas:
Okay, thanks very much, guys.
Scott Kirby:
That’s full year.
Jack Nicas:
I’m sorry, what?
Scott Kirby:
That’s full year.
Jack Nicas:
That’s full year, thanks.
Doug Parker :
That’s for the full year.
Jack Nicas:
Okay, got it.
Doug Parker :
Thanks, Jack.
Operator:
And we will move on to Jeffrey Dastin of Reuters.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Thank you so much for taking the call. I guess to rephrase Jack's question, so should investors stop focusing myopically on PRASM?
Doug Parker :
Investors should do whatever investors think the right thing to do is. Again our view is that -- and the best thing I can point it out is to point out that we purchased $750 million of our shares at $43.53 a share, that is an undervalued stock. So we bought a lot of it. So and we were well aware of the revenue per ASM and are not remotely surprised by what we are seeing. So we, with full knowledge and with full expectation of these kind of revenue per ASM trends bought a lot of AAL at $43.53 and we are happy with that purchase.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Great. Thank you. And then also to clarify comments earlier this morning. So American is not considering seriously taking a fuel hedge position any time soon?
Derek Kerr:
As we said we haven't taken one for several years, and we don't have one to announce right now.
Jeffrey Dastin:
But is it considering bringing the matter up to the Board. And if so would it be a very large position? Or what’s up in the air, what’s the possibility?
Derek Kerr:
That is not a question we can answer.
Doug Parker :
We don't disclose what we might be doing in the future as it relates to fuel hedging, but again the track record I think is fairly clear.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Okay, thank you very much.
Doug Parker :
Thanks, Jeff.
Operator:
And we will hear next from Andrea Ahles of Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Doug Parker :
Hey, Andrea.
Andrea Ahles:
Hey, good morning. I was wondering, Scott, could you give a little more commentary on the rebanking at DFW? Have you been able to change the mix to more connecting passengers, particularly given the pressures that you are seeing on the O&D [ph] market out of the now markets coming out of Love Field?
Scott Kirby:
Well, actually, within the Love Field markets we are actually carrying more local passengers now than we were before. We are carrying them at lower yield. But that’s what happens when the price goes down. The demand goes up and having lower fares we are carrying more local passengers. Overall probably we are carrying more connecting traffic than we otherwise would have. But it’s really not a Love Field issue per se.
Andrea Ahles:
But part of the rebanking was to bring more connecting passengers through DFW. Are you seeing that now that you are sort of three months into the rebanking process there?
Scott Kirby:
Yes.
Andrea Ahles:
I’m sorry, did you say yes?
Scott Kirby:
I did say yes.
Andrea Ahles:
Okay. All right, thank you.
Operator:
And we will move on to a question from Linda Lloyd of Philadelphia Inquirer.
Linda Lloyd:
Good morning.
Doug Parker :
Hello Linda.
Linda Lloyd:
You said how very serious you are about growing service to Asia and you are now dedicating some of your newest airplanes to flying there from Dallas-Fort Worth, Chicago and Los Angeles. As you get more of the fuel efficient Boeing 787s and Airbus 350s, will Philadelphia finally get its first direct flight to the Asia Pacific?
Scott Kirby:
I don't know what the long term answer is, but for the foreseeable future our Asia growth is going to be focused on growing our Los Angeles Gateway to Asia.
Linda Lloyd:
You know because you were executives of US Airways, in 2006 US Airways did announce an intent to fly to China. Then the recession hit and the route was scrapped. Later US Airways said it didn't have the right aircraft to fly there. But now American is getting the right aircraft, in fact quite a few of them in the next five or so years and is a larger and stronger company. Would there be a timeframe for Philadelphia to get one of these Asia flights?
Scott Kirby:
I don't know and a lot has changed since 2006 in the aviation market. And again as I said for the foreseeable future our Asia growth is going to be focused on growing our Los Angeles Gateway. And that’s a question that we will readdress and evaluate at some point in the future.
Doug Parker :
Linda this is Doug. I was there of course, too. And all I would add is Scott’s been [ph] watching the industry, a lot’s changed at US Airways and of course at that point and now as part of American. So at that point Philadelphia was the international gateway for US Airways. The merger gives us others, but it makes Philadelphia as a much, much stronger hub. And so the merger, I think been great for Philadelphia in a number of ways, as a part of a much stronger, more global airline than it was just for US Airways. So we will continue to look at it over time but clearly the decision gets impacted by changes, both in the environment and in our airline.
Linda Lloyd:
But let me just ask you, why is it a worse situation now for there to be a flight to Asia from Philadelphia on the East Coast than there was ever?
Doug Parker :
Because we serve the market from other spots, still. At that point there was no other spot for US Airways to serve it from. And now we serve Asia for our customers in Philadelphia. There are connections to a number of them, to Asian markets. So again not saying that it won't make sense at some point in time, I’m just pointing out that, that decision that we wanted, the fact that we wanted to fly there as US Airways standalone several years ago doesn't necessarily mean that American Airlines several years later has the same sort of economics on that route. So but again, we are not by any means trying to dampen anyone's expectations other than to point out that a lot changed from that point in time and but the good news is the changes have all been good for Philadelphia. And we have a much, much stronger airline and Philadelphia is a huge part of what is now the largest airline in the world.
Operator:
And next we will move on to David Koening of the Associated Press.
Doug Parker :
Hey, David.
David Koening:
Hi, Doug and all you folks. You guys have sent the message today, don't worry too much, don't get excited about PRASM and Scott has indicated you have got nothing to announce on fuel hedging. Those are kind of the boogie men that have been discussed for a while now. So what keeps you guys awake at night? What could end this run of great profits that you are in?
Doug Parker :
We sleep pretty well. Look, it is a good way for me to say what I really would -- what I think about what is going on right now. We are -- I just can't speak highly enough about how well our team is working together to combine these airlines. We have a lot of work ahead and we all know that, but we are really proud of what our team has done, one to come together as a team and two, to work through what are really difficult circumstances when you are two separate airlines, but still produce a really good operating performance for our customers. And we are excited about the future as we get to be more and more like one airline. But that’s what we are focused on right now. We are focused on the integration of these two carriers into one. The team is doing a phenomenal job of that. We are excited about it. So we -- and we are fortunate that it happens to also be a really good economic time. So we are spending our time working on integration, and we are really pleased with the results.
David Koening:
Does that mean short of a real big macroeconomic shock, the economy really slowing town and you should be doing pretty well?
Doug Parker :
Yes. We are very bullish on the future, we feel very good about our future results. That of course, could change. But demand remains strong for air travel and we think we are doing all the right things to meet that demand.
David Koening:
Okay. Thanks.
Operator:
And we will hear next from Ted Reed of The Street.
Ted Reed:
Thank you. On the other calls they mentioned a couple of cities where they were having little more competition and difficulties. One group was Orlando, Dallas and Chicago and United mentioned Houston. So I wondered if outside of Dallas if you are seeing any cities that are difficult, particularly Chicago? Thank you.
Scott Kirby:
No, I wouldn’t -- if I was actually creating a list I wouldn’t have had that as a list, I haven’t created a list like that. But Chicago yields actually did better in the quarter than our domestic average. So where we are seeing the most weakness is the international connecting flows, it really isn’t domestic. So Miami is our -- domestic Miami network is the weakest but it’s really nothing to do with the Miami domestic network. It has to do with all those Brazilian and Venezuelan connecting revenues are off the system. So we would not have had the same list and in fact we are -- given the competitive pressures in those markets we are quite pleased with Chicago and Dallas performance.
Ted Reed:
All right. So I should ask Charlotte is doing well?
Scott Kirby:
Charlotte is actually doing quite well. It’s behind New York. New York was our best hub year-over-year and Charlotte was number two.
Ted Reed:
Okay. Thank you.
Doug Parker :
Thanks, Ted.
Operator:
And that does conclude the question-and-answer session. At this time I would like to turn the call back over to Doug Parker for any additional or closing remarks.
Doug Parker:
Yeah, thanks. And before we go, the first journalist to ask a question was Mr. Terry Maxime and Terry has also announced recently he is going to be retiring from Dallas Morning News. And that is a big loss for our industry. Terry is the consummate professional. We didn't always like what he reported, because -- but it’s always because we didn’t like the facts that we [ph] produced and they weren’t what we wanted to read, but that’s the point. I mean Terry always did a great job of reporting the facts. He worked hard to know what the facts were. He knew the industry so well that he was able to separate the noise, the substance from the noise. And he always had the best sources. So I guess the best way I can say this is when I want to know what is going on in our industry, I read Terry's blog. I learn as much from that as anything else externally that I can find because it’s always true. And it’s always well informed. So look one of the things I like reading of Terry's is something he called three idle thoughts for Friday. So in honor of Terry I am going to close with three idle thoughts for Friday. Number one is change in RASM does not equal change in value. Number two is this idle thoughts thing is a lot harder than Terry makes it look. And number three is congratulations to Terry Maxime on a well-deserved retirement and a great career, a phenomenal career. And he will be missed by all of us. So thanks Terry. All right, we are done. Thanks, everybody.
Operator:
And again, that does conclude the call. We would like to thank everyone for their participation today.
Executives:
Dan Cravens - Managing Director, IR Doug Parker - Chairman and CEO Derek Kerr - EVP and CFO Scott Kirby - President Robert Isom - EVP and COO
Analysts:
William Greene - Morgan Stanley Jamie Baker - JPMorgan Hunter Keay - Wolfe Research Julie Yates - Credit Suisse Mike Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Helane Becker - Cowen & Company Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore Daniel J. McKenzie - Buckingham Research Savanthi Syth - Raymond James Joe DeNardi - Stifel Nicolaus Darryl Genovesi - UBS Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News David Koenig - The Associated Press Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star-Telegram Jeffrey Dastin - Thomson Reuters Edward Russell - Flightglobal
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, please stand-by. Good day, and welcome to the American Airlines Group First Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s call is being recorded. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Now I would like to turn the call over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens. Please go ahead.
Dan Cravens:
Thank you, Jake, and good morning, everybody. Welcome to the American Airlines First Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. Joining us on the call today is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Scott Kirby, our President; Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. And also in the room for our question-and-answer session is Robert Isom, our Chief Operating Officer; Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications; Bev Goulet, Chief Integration Officer; Maya Leibman, Chief Information Officer; and Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs. As is our normal practice we are going to start the call today with Doug, and he will provide an overview of our financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter and provide some color on our guidance for the remainder of 2015. Scott will then follow with commentary on the revenue environment and our operational performance; and then after we hear from those comments we’ll open the call for analysts’ questions and lastly questions from the media. But before we begin we must state that today’s call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecast of capacity, traffic, and load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of those risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31. In addition we’ll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as net profit and CASM, excluding unusual items. A reconciliation to those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, and that can also be found or can be found on our website at aa.com under the More About American Airlines Investor Relations section. Webcast of this call will be archived on our website and the information that we’re giving you on the call is as of today’s date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us this morning. At this point, I’d like to turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Dan. Thanks everyone for being on. We announce this morning record results for the first quarter of $1.2 billion in earnings excluding special charges, which is over three times the prior record of $400 million which we just set last year’s first quarter. So obviously pleased with those results, pleased with the improvement year-over-year. The credit belongs to the 100,000 hardworking team members of American Airline. They are coming together exceptionally well to take care of our customers, and to restore America as the greatest airline of the world. That’s evidenced by the great work that’s being done by the team on integration. Most notably of late combining our frequent flyer programs into one single frequent flyer program, re-banking our DSW and Chicago hubs and getting to a single operating certificate from the FAA. So we have a lot of work ahead but the results today give us confidence we’re on the right track and we’re looking forward to the remainder of 2015 and beyond. With that said as Dan said I’ll turn it over to Derek, then to Scott and then we’ll open it to questions. Derek?
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Doug and good morning, everyone. As is our custom we filed our first quarter 2015 10-Q along with our press release this morning. As Doug said in our earnings release we reported a record net profit, excluding special charges of $1.24 billion or a $1.73 per diluted share. This represents an $841 million improvement versus our first quarter 2014 net profit excluding special credits of $402 million or $0.54 per diluted share. Our first quarter 2015 pretax margin, excluding special charges, was 12.4%, up 8.6 points year-over-year. On a GAAP basis we reported a first quarter net profit of $932 million or a $1.30 per diluted share and this compares to a net profit of $480 million or $0.65 per diluted share at the same period last year. In the first quarter we did take delivery of 20 Mainline aircraft and retired 30 Mainline aircraft. On the regional side we took delivery of 16 aircraft and we removed from service and parked five Embraer 140 aircraft. We will continue our fleet replacement program throughout the year by taking delivery of 55 Mainline aircraft and 38 regional aircraft and retiring 73 Mainline aircraft and 17 regional aircraft. We have worked with our partners at Boeing in restructuring our 787 delivery schedule. Under the new revised agreement we’ll reduce the number of aircraft delivered in 2016 by five aircraft. Four 787 aircraft that were scheduled for delivery in 2016 will now be delivered in 2017 and one aircraft will be deferred until 2018. We expect this revision to reduce our 2016 wide body capacity by approximately 2.5% and our system capacity by approximately 0.6% and it will also reduce our estimated 2016 gross aircraft CapEx. Total capacity for the quarter of 2015 was 62.8 billion ASMs down 0.9 from the same period in 2014. Mainline capacity for the quarter was 55.9 billion ASMs, down 1.7% and regional capacity was up 5.7% to 6.94 billion ASMs due to larger gauge aircraft, our longer stage length flying offset in part by fewer departures. While core demand remains healthy first quarter 2015 revenue was negatively impacted by industry capacity growth in some of our core markets, a stronger U.S. dollar and economy softness in Latin America. Total operating revenues were $9.8 billion in the first quarter of 2015, down 1.7% from the same period last year. Passenger revenues for the quarter were $8.4 billion, down 2.6% year-over-year with yields down 1.2% on a 0.9% decrease in system capacity. Cargo revenues were down 5.9% in the first quarter of 2015 to $194 million, due primarily to the impact of the strengthening U.S. dollar, weaker overall Latin demand and a declining cargo capacity. Other operating revenues were $1.2 billion in the first quarter, up 6% year-over-year primarily associated with our affinity card program which had a higher volume of new card acquisitions and increased average spend by existing card holders. Total RASM for the quarter of 2015 was $0.1565, down 0.7% driven principally by a decline in passenger revenue which was $0.1344, down 1.7% as compared to first quarter of 2014 and Scott will go into lot more detail in his comments after I finish. Helped by substantially lower fuel prices the Airline’s operating expenses excluding net special charges for the first quarter of 2015 were $8.3 billion, down 11.7% year-over-year. We continue to see a material financial benefit resulting from the steep year-over-year decline in crude oil prices as we remain un-hedged. Average Mainline fuel price, including taxes for the first quarter of 2015 was a $1.83 per gallon, a 41% decline versus $3.10 per gallon in the first quarter of 2014. Driven primarily by the lower fuel price, Mainline operating CASM per ASM excluding net special charges was down 10.8% year-over-year to $0.1226 on the 1.7% decrease in Mainline ASMs. We recently announced that we had reached new five year joint collective bargaining agreements with our flight attendants and pilots. The costs associated with these agreements are reflected in our first quarter results and in our guidance for the remainder of the year. Excluding net special charges and fuel our mainline cost per ASM was $0.0949 in the first quarter, up 5.8%. This increase is due primarily due to higher salaries and benefits costs resulting from these contracts which increased our first quarter mainline CASM excluding special charges and fuel by approximately 3.6 percentage points. Regional operating cost per ASM, excluding net special charges and fuel was $0.1647 for the first quarter of 2015, which was 0.9% lower than 2014 and excluding net special charges and fuel, our consolidated CASM was up 5.2%. We ended the first quarter with $9.9 billion in total cash and investments, of which $757 million was restricted. The company also has an undrawn revolving credit facility of $1.8 billion bringing our total unrestricted liquidity to $11 billion, $644 million of which was held in Venezuelan bolivars. As talked about on our last call we took advantage of historically attractive financing rates to fund a portion of our aircraft deliveries. During the first quarter of 2015 we completed two transactions including the issuance of $500 million of unsecured bonds, priced at 4.625%. and a $1.2 billion EETC at a blended fixed rate of 3.425%. In addition in early April we refinanced our $750 million 2014 slot, gate and route term loan reducing the margin by 50 basis points to LIBOR plus 300. This refinancing also reduced the collateral acquired under the loan and improved our future collateral flexibility. We are pleased with the economics associated with these transactions and continue to look for attractive opportunities in the market. During the first quarter we generated $2.5 billion in cash flow from operations and $1.1 billion in free cash flow. We also paid down $746 million in debt, including prepaying $460 million in high cost debt. Looking forward we will continue to give priority to prepaying high cost debt when the opportunity arises. The company also returned $260 million to shareholders through the payment of $70 million in quarterly dividends and the repurchase of $190 million of common stock or 3.8 million shares. This brings our shares purchased since the merger up to 27.2 million shares The company’s first quarter weighted average fully diluted share count reduced by a net 7.8 million shares as compared to the fourth quarter 2014 primarily due to the effects of our share repurchase program. In addition the company’s Board of Directors has declared a $0.10 per share dividend to shareholders of record as of May 4, 2015. Turning now to 2015 guidance, in our last IR update two weeks ago we lowered full year overall system capacity guidance by a half of a point and are now forecasting it to be up approximately 2%. This growth is primarily driven by one, an increase of gauge from aircraft deliveries, higher seat density through aircraft reconfigurations and increased stage length. As of today we are currently working on our fourth quarter schedules and we will update second half 2015 guidance in early April with a bias to continue to reduce capacity. Domestic capacity is expected to be up approximately 2% to 3% in 2015 while international capacity is expected to be up approximately 1%. By quarter mainline capacity in ASMs breaks down as follows; $61.9 billion in the second, $63.7 billion in the third and $58.9 billion in the fourth. Regional capacity breaks down as $7.6 billion in the second, $8 million in the third and $8.1 billion in the fourth. For the full year 2015 we are forecasting total CASM ex-special items and fuel to be up approximately 4% versus 2014. The increase is driven primarily by three items; the cost of a new labor contracts for both flight attendants and pilots, investment in new aircraft and costs dedicated to improving the reliability of our operation. Mainline CASM excluding special items and fuel is projected to be up approximately 3% to 5% in 2015 while regional CASM excluding special items and fuel is projected to be down approximately 1% to 3%. By quarters for Mainline CASM second and third, up 2% to 4% and in the fourth quarter up between 4% to 6%. Regional CASM in the second quarter will be flat to up 2%, third quarter flat to down 2%, and the fourth quarter down, 3% to 5%. As I mentioned in my earlier comments we have seen a substantial financial benefit as a result of significant drop in crude oil prices. Using the April 21 fuel curve we are forecasting our 2015 consolidated fuel price to be in the range of $1.89 to $1.94 per gallon which we believe will be the lowest economic price in the industry. Based on these prices we expect our 2015 consolidated fuel expense to improve by approximately $4.35 billion year-over-year. By quarter, the second quarter we believe will be $1.84 to $1.89, third quarter $1.93 to $1.98, and the fourth quarter $1.95 to $2. Regional fuel price will have the second quarter 186 to 191, third quarter 196 to 201, and the fourth quarter, 198 to 203. Using the midpoints of the guidance we have provided along with the PRASM guidance that Scott will give, we expect a record second quarter pretax margin excluding special items of between 18% and 20%, up by more than 600 basis points as compared to the second quarter of 2014. For the remainder of 2015 we continue to expect a large increase in operating cash flow driven by lower fuel prices. Going forward we will remain disciplined in our capital allocation process with a continued bias towards completing the integration, investing in the airline, paying down high-cost debt and returning excess cash to our shareholders. In terms of capital expenditures, we are forecasting total gross aircraft CapEx to be approximately $5.4 billion, of which approximately $1.4 billion will occur in the second quarter. In addition we expect to invest $1 billion for non-aircraft CapEx and make $2.1 billion in debt repayments in 2015. In conclusion, thanks to the efforts of our more than 100,000 team members we are very pleased to report another record quarter with our financial results. We were also able to complete several key milestones in our merger integration. While a lot of hard work remains as we complete our integration we continue to make tremendous progress and look forward to reporting strong financial results in the second quarter. With that I will turn it over to Scott.
Scott Kirby:
Thanks, Derek, and I’d like to start by thanking all the people of American Airlines for the great job they continued doing operationally during the difficult first quarter and effectively managing all the change we have, like re-banking two hubs during the middle of some challenging weather events. On the revenue front, our first quarter PRASM was down 1.7%, the stronger U.S. dollar had over a one point impact on our system PRASM declining international surcharges had a 0.4 point impact on system PRASM and Venezuela was approximately a 0.5 point drag on system PRASM. Domestically the PRASM was down 1%, which given the significant capacity -- competitive capacity growth we have seen in Dallas and some of our other markets, a small decline in Q1 PRASM is indicative of healthy underlying domestic demand. Across specific PRASM was down 7% on 36% capacity growth. Currency and surcharge changes had a particularly large impact in this region and given our level of capacity growth combined with the currency effect we continue to be pleased with absolute demand at Asia. Latin was down 6% but it really is the tail of Brazil and Venezuela versus the rest of Latin America. Despite double-digit industry growth Mexico and the Caribbean were essentially flat on RASM, meaning that demand grew rapidly to keep pace with the large capacity increase. Argentina appears to be recovering, leading to positive year-over-year PRASM but we experienced large PRASM declines in Brazil and Venezuela. And finally the Atlantic was our strongest region for PRASM, up 3% year-over-year. In the Atlantic we were also pleased with the absolute demand given the currency and capacity headwinds. We made some significant progress this year on integration and some of the recent integration highlights, which Doug talked about as well included our pilots ratified a new five year contract, we received our single operating certificate from the FAA on the very day and schedule that we originally planned a year and half ago and we have successfully completed one of the most technically difficult integration projects that we have to do and we combined into a single frequent flyer program and we rebanked both the DFW and Chicago hubs and our teams are doing a great job operationally so far with the new schedule. We have a lot more hard work left in 2015, including combining to a single reservation system in the fourth quarter, so we can’t rest on our laurels but we are very proud of all that the AA has done so far and the first few months of 2015 saw us achieve some significant integration milestones. Turning to the outlook going forward, the comps are more difficult in the second quarter than any other quarter this year. We also have some big headwinds including an expected two point system PRASM impact from currency, 0.7 point impact from the continuing decline in international surcharges and 0.5 point impact from Venezuela. And of course the continuing pressure from industry capacity growth in all regions. At American we saw the supply demand imbalance beginning to build last year and have now reduced our international capacity versus prior guidance for four quarters in a row. And while our proactive approach to international capacity is helping our PRASM result it's not enough to overcome the currency and capacity headwinds. Given all of this we expect PRASM to be down in all regions of the world with the largest declines occurring in the Pacific and Latin America and we forecast that our overall system PRASM will be down 4% to 6% year-over-year in the second quarter. As we move beyond 2Q, the comps do get easier and we'll overlap the Venezuela drawdown, so all of us [indiscernible] would expect the year over year -PRASM comparisons to improve as well. While we never like to see negative PRASM we do believe that demand remains fundamentally strong in almost all areas of the world with the exceptions of Brazil and Venezuela. Currency and surcharge changes unfortunately mask some of that core demand strength and high single digit capacity growth in all region pressures otherwise growing demand that while healthy is not growing as fast as capacity. In conclusion we're very encouraged with the operating integration and financial results at American Airlines and while there are some near term capacity and currency headwinds, demand environment remains strong and we remain positive about the long term demand trends.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Scott. Thanks Derek. Operator we are ready for questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions]. And we'll take first, William Greene with Morgan Stanley.
William Greene:
Good morning. Hey, Derek can I ask for some commentary on the cash side. I realize you've got still some big milestones to come on integration, but can you talk about your appetite to return more to shareholders, going forward. It feels like there is going to be a pretty big build here that could still drive some pretty big buybacks but how are you thinking about that?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I think as we go through this, as I said earlier that we do, as you said too, is make sure we get done with the integration. So we have set aside a certain amount of cash to get through the integration. We do have a lot of aircraft coming in. So we do want to have cash to pay for that aircraft and then past that, I mean as you saw in the first quarter and you've seen what we have done over the last, since the merger, buying back in over 20 million shares, we do plan on returning cash to the shareholders. We did do $190 million in the first quarter and we do have the $2 billion program that's out there and we plan to do that over the next two years. So we do -- that is our plan, how fast we do that is a question but as of right now we want to keep more cash than we need to get through the integration and get through the merger and then begin doing that. But you've seen we've done a significant amount, over $2 billion worth of share repurchases going back, including all of the other things that we've done. So we plan on doing it and we plan on continuing to return throughout the year.
William Greene:
Okay. And then just one follow-up here on the fleet you mentioned you've got a lot of aircraft coming in. Can you also talk a little bit about your thoughts on some of your peers sort of trying out a used aircraft strategy, is that something that intrigues you at all or is that just we've got fleet plan we're going to stick with it.
Derek Kerr:
We have a fleet plan and we're going to stick with it. We have a lot of aircraft on order to replace all of our older MD 80s, 75s and 76s, have plans in place and we plan on going down that path. We have enough aircraft on order for replacement and that's the method we're going to go down for the next three or four years.
William Greene:
That's great. I appreciate the time.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Will.
Operator:
And now we'll hear from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
James Baker:
Hey good morning everybody. First question for Scott, can the A321 in your low density configuration operate Trans continent [ph] at LaGuardia without taking a C Block and what are your views on potentially lifting the perimeter rule.
Scott Kirby:
Yes, we could operate out of La Guardia and our views on LaGuardia perimeter rule are that the facility we have a challenge handling all the customers we have in the facility today. And if the perimeter rule is lifted we would have a lot of large aircrafts with long haul flying out of LaGuardia of course. And so we need the facility to be prepare to handle those customers before you really even consider to enter. So I think our issue is mostly focused on the logistics of having the facility able to handle that number of people before you -- before you consider changing the parameter rule and having a much higher volume of customers.
James Baker:
But you're not taking the position against the possibility with the port.
Scott Kirby:
No, but our view would be that we need to get the facility work done first.
James Baker:
Yes, got it. And a follow up for Doug, Doug good morning your closest international partner is on the exact opposite side of you as it relates to the issue of Middle Eastern competition and illegal subsidies. And how contentious are your discussions these days with Willie Walsh on this topic? I mean are you just sort of reluctantly holding him to Delta and United on this issue, or from a modeling perspective, I'm sure we don't need to model for an outright divorce from British Air. But might this disagreement nonetheless represent a spat that could potentially strain profitability?
Doug Parker:
Well to your last question, no, you shouldn't model anything and we're working even more closely with British Airways on ways to improve the profitability of the joint venture. We do have a disagreement to this issue but it doesn't have -- has no effect on our relationship or certainly on our -- on the joint venture. This is -- and as to whether or not Americans are reluctantly holding hands, no we're all in on this. We think the situation in the Middle East is serious and needs to be addressed and if it's not addressed it could have material consequences to our industry overtime. We believe it will be addressed so all those things and BA just has a different perspective for different reasons but the other European carriers have seen severe impact to their profitability because of the growth of these subsidized airlines and we don't care to see that happen in the United States. So that's our position, we're all in all on it but it has no impact whatsoever on our relationship with British Airways.
James Baker:
Okay. Thanks a lot for the color. I appreciate it, Scott and Doug. Take care.
Operator:
And now we'll move to a question from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Hunter Keay:
Thanks, good morning everybody.
Doug Parker:
Good morning.
Hunter Keay:
Hey Scott, wondering we haven't talked about synergies in a while, wondering if you can give us an update as sort of where we are on that, if you have captured really any on the revenue side and wondering if at this point you want to maybe revise the target higher or even lower. Is it to too soon to think that revenue synergies might manifest themselves and some driving outperformance is really for third quarter?
Scott Kirby:
So I think there are a lot of synergies and I know that there are a lot of synergies in our numbers today. Although some of the big ones won't come until after we get to a single reservation system. So some of the biggest things are the connectivity of the network, moving aircraft around re-gauging the airline and putting the right sized aircraft in the optimal market, those kinds of revenue synergies can't occur until after you get to single operating certificate or a single reservation system in the fourth quarter. So those things are yet to come but they probably won't be third quarter impacts, they will be 2016 impacts.
Hunter Keay:
Okay good. And that’s sort of a good segue into next question. As you think about 2016, how many of the deferred 787 deliveries relate just directly to the issue at the seat manufacturer versus you guys actually saying there is a little bit too much supply that’s mismatched with demand in international markets. And how did the aircraft deferral sort of translate into how you're thinking about overall 2016 capacity growth? Thanks.
Scott Kirby:
So the deferrals have absolutely nothing to do with the seat manufacture. We think it will be back on time long before these aircrafts are delivered. And so this is all about trying to do more to match supply to demand. And while we haven’t given 2016 capacity guidance I mean clearly we’ve been -- it’s the fourth quarter in a row we’ve been ahead of the view of supply and demand not being in balance or being imbalanced and so I think that philosophy will continue to guide us as we move into 2016. The only thing we’ve done that’s concrete so far is this pushing back aircraft deliveries but we’ve actually accelerated retirements of some of other aircraft MD 80s and 767s which will impact 2016 capacity and we’ll have more to come on 2016 capacity but that -- as long as we look at a world where supply and demand are out of balance and you’re having negative PRASM our bias will certainly be to the downside.
Hunter Keay:
Thanks a lot, Scott.
Operator:
And Julie Yates with Credit Suisse has the next question.
Julie Yates:
Good morning, with the competitive capacity additions on the Trans-Atlantic this summer and with the currency headwinds do you expect that you can return to positive unit revenues in the Trans-Atlantic in Q3?
Doug Parker:
I don’t have a forecast for Q3, so can’t really specifically comment on that. But Trans-Atlantic, even in 2Q, which has the big bump in the competitive capacity out of Heathrow, in particular and also has the headwinds from the currency, we expect to kind of be neck-in-neck for being the best region in the world, tied with domestic for us. And so it’s certainly not inconceivable it would be positive in 3Q but we just don’t have a forecast that’s very accurate that far out.
Julie Yates:
Understood and then in your Q4 schedule overview are you also considering cutting any domestic capacity in response to the competitive pressures that you’re seeing?
Doug Parker:
Well, we look at everywhere and look at every market that we serve but when you look at the competitive markets for competitive capacity, our capacity is up, they’re probably not the kind of markets where we’re going to cut just because they are highly profitable markets and they are places that when you have a lower fares, actually demand is higher. So it’s fine, happens in the normal kind of schedule review process in some of those markets while we don’t add flights we would have a tendency to up-gauge flights so a 737 becomes an A321 and so those markets typically just in the normal course process become higher capacity markets. That’s capacity that moves from some of the markets into those markets just because absolute demand in terms of number of customers is higher. So we haven’t done that, we don’t have specifics yet for domestic market but I’d be surprised if we had a material change in the domestic markets. We’re much more focused on the international.
Julie Yates:
Okay, understood. Thank you.
Operator:
We’ll now take a question from Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Mike Linenberg:
Hey, good morning everybody. Hey, Derek when you were going over the aircraft deferrals, I think I missed this what was the -- you talked about a reduction in gross CapEx, what’s the rough number you may have said?
Derek Kerr:
We didn’t say a number, just because then you know what the amount we pay for the aircraft is.
Mike Linenberg:
That’s right, five airplanes. Okay, not a problem.
Derek Kerr:
Boeing doesn’t like that.
Mike Linenberg:
Not a problem.
Doug Parker:
And it did, Mike just so you know, obviously it is most of ‘17 and ‘18 so…
Mike Linenberg:
That’s right, very good. And then just my next question then just looking at your regional cost reduction, I mean you can see how the restructuring of Envoy [ph], looks like it’s really starting to take hold and I just -- I wanted to know, have you now fully allocated all of the regional aircraft that you’re looking to deploy over the next couple of years? I mean are we done with Envoy and the regional fleet restructuring or is there more to come because I feel like that there’s been significant -- the opportunity to generate some real savings from this side over the next couple of years because I do think you’re probably going to have some of the lowest regional cost lift of any carrier out there?
Scott Kirby:
Well, the restructuring will continue in terms of going from 50 seaters to 76 seat aircraft and so that so -- is going to run and will continue over the next at least 12 to 24 months.
Mike Linenberg:
Okay, very good. Thanks Scott.
Scott Kirby:
Thanks, Mike.
Operator:
And now we’ll hear from Helane Becker with Cowen & Company.
Helane Becker :
Thanks operator. Hi guys. Thank you very much for the time. So Doug, I'm very impressed that you decided to just get all your compensation in equity instead of cash and equity. So how are you thinking about that?
Doug Parker:
Thanks Helane, thank you. The thoughts are, one it seems to be that my compensation should be paid in the same currencies we ask our shareholders to accept because we should have interests that are highly aligned. In the end I think though to the extent you all can infer [ph] what this means, I think it’s one more piece of the evidence that it’s been really different this time and investors keep asking is it really different this time, you guys have said in the past, everything you get profitable so this is [ph] times you remain profitable. I wouldn’t be doing this if I thought we were still the same order line business because it is not and I don’t think anybody, I don’t think any executive over the last 15-20 years would have been willing to take all their compensation in equity because we all knew the equity had an enormous risk, we are not suggesting there is not still risk in the airline stocks but we are really bullish on what the outlook is for years to come. So I am more than happy to be compensated the same way you are.
Helane Becker :
You know I thank for you response. I just feel like, listening to you and all of your competitors talk about competitive capacity growth it is hard to get over -- it is not the same old airline industry because you are still seeing a lot of capacity going into markets that probably shouldn’t be there. So I applaud your decision. I just wonder about the competitive market and how it’s going to be…
Doug Parker:
Yeah, I guess, now you got me scared.
Helane Becker :
It wasn’t the intent though.
Doug Parker:
No, I am just kidding. It is not the same. It is nothing like what we saw in the past when airlines got first with the profitability and then use that to say well, I had, if I could be profitable with 100 airplanes just think how profitably it would be with 150. This is what’s going on now again we can only now look at it and say the demand is growing faster -- I mean supplies is growing faster than demand and in some cases it is. But the rates of growth we are taking about are nothing like we see in the past. Where the growth comes from is nothing like we saw in the past, and people aren’t looking to start up new hubs in different parts of the country. People are growing their strength into markets. Again maybe in excess of the near-term demand but that’s nothing like what we saw in the past and where you just saw all these wild changes in year-over-year profitability we will find out when you get in the next down cycle but I am really confident that what we’ll see is, yes, still a cyclical business but the peaks are much, much higher than they were before and therefore the troughs are going to be really much, much higher and I think the swings are going to be much less.
Helane Becker :
That’s great. I hope you are right. So I appreciate that. Thank you very much and have a nice day.
Operator:
And we will now hear from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hey, thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to ask some follow-up on your Venezuela commentary. Obviously you are comping against some capacity cuts when RASM is really high there. But was your comment about Venezuela specific to a comps issue or you are seeing incremental demand weakness there?
Scott Kirby:
I don’t know it is hard to sort that, it’s a such a big decline that I am not sure if it is incremental demand weakness or just the year-over-year effect. But it is clearly -- got some challenges right now.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Yeah, I guess the point is you feel like you get beyond those year-over-year cuts by the third quarter and that minimum it should be less of headwind in the second-half of the year.
Scott Kirby:
It is certainly less of the headwind, the capacity issue and the selling in bolivars issue is less of a headwind. By the time you reach the third quarter and by the time you are at third quarter that will be the kind of organic question you are asking of what’s happening to demand and I suspect that Venezuela will still be down on a RASM basis because it has got incrementally weaker but the impact that our system will be a whole lot smaller than it’s been for the last 12 months. The year-over-year impact will be much smaller. Even though it maybe down a lot, it will be on much more capacity base and it will be down less than it was in first quarter and second quarter because you won’t have the bolivar dollar ticket selling issue.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Got it, thanks. And then just following up on the pace of capital return, can you provide any detail on -- obviously you had a huge statement in the fourth quarter which may have gotten people’s expectations pretty high in terms of the run rate there and then a much more modest level in the first quarter. Can you quantify or just give us some thought process, details on how you thought what the level into the first quarter?
Doug Parker:
It’s Doug. Look we would just encourage you not to make strong conclusions based on the quarterly reports of our share repurchases. The facts are we have announced a very large share repurchase program. We demonstrated overtime our commitment to return excess cash to our shareholders. But look for obvious reasons we got to be careful what we disclose about the program and what our intent is on the program, what we will disclose is how much we actually purchased each quarter and that’s what we can do. But know this we are not going to be systematic or ratable in our purchases quarter-by-quarter but we are absolutely committed to returning excess cash to shareholders because it is your cash. But really we just ask you not try and make strong conclusions based on quarterly reports on the program.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay very fair, thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks.
Operator:
Now we will take a question from Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research.
Daniel J. McKenzie:
Hey, good morning guys, thanks. With respect to the buyback, can you talk about the longer term balance sheet goals; on the one hand the cost of debt lowers the cost of capital. So it makes sense to keep more of it, which suggests potential larger share buyback than investors perhaps appreciate, and so I guess I am just wondering what is the right level of debt looking ahead?
Doug Parker:
Okay, it was my turn again, anyway I have reasonably strong views on this. So our view is that the best thing for our shareholders is not to go try and target any particular debt-to-equity ratio, target rating. That’s not to suggest to the rating agencies or to our debt holders that we are not concerned about such things. What we know is though in our business, certainly at American it seems at this point in time that the right thing is to be, given that we can borrow at the rates we are borrowing, which don’t seem to reflect the credit rating that we have today. We think the right thing to do is to borrow, certainly on aircraft which is the debt we have coming, or as much as we can and because the rates we are getting are sub-4% and borrow at those rates and continue to lever, if you will, and it’s to the extent -- because we can generate higher returns than that for our shareholders. And with the cash that we don’t -- though we are generating returns which we return to our shareholders because [ph] you can generate higher returns than that. So that’s our view on this that the -- this focus on de-levering and could be contrary to our shareholders’ best interest. So our goal is to make sure that we are actually doing this intelligently and making sure that to the extent that we have the ability to borrow at rates below what we can earn or that we can return to you, we should continue to borrow irrespective of what that may do to some ratio. So anyway that’s a long winded way trying to answer your question Daniel but we are not heavily focused nor we can give targets to you on credit ratios.
Daniel J. McKenzie:
Understood, thanks Doug. And then Derek what percent of the aircraft are you financing this year exactly and is that a fair run rate going forward as we think about 2016 and beyond?
Derek Kerr:
I think our value [ph] in the WTC transaction it was around 80% of the aircraft. So I think I would use that number as you move forward. What we have in the cash flow guidance today is only transactions that have been completed versus transaction that are contemplated just so you have the right numbers in there. But the run rate that we did in the first quarter on those deliveries is probably a pretty good run rate going forward.
Daniel J. McKenzie:
Fantastic, thanks guys.
Operator:
And now we will take a question from Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Savanthi Syth:
Hey good morning. I wondered if you could provide a little bit more color on what you are seeing from a corporate demand perspective and maybe particularly out of Dallas?
Derek Kerr:
Well, corporate demand is strong. Revenue results are down at Dallas because of the capacity situation, fares are down and there is a lot more competitive capacity. So revenue is down but corporate demand in total is strong and given the capacity situation in Dallas, I think we view demand in Dallas as strong as well.
Savanthi Syth:
Got it. And then to follow up, on the Latin front given the weakness that you're seeing in the market in maybe specifically two countries, is there anything that you're doing on the capacity front to address that or is it something you are just going have to absorb?
Scott Kirby:
So we cut capacity to Brazil or to Venezuela by over 70% and we've cut capacity to Brazil about 20%. So we've done that and to this point not a lot more left to have to come from American Airlines.
Savanthi Syth:
Got it and just on that, just following up on the U.S. dollar strength, how much of a benefit is that on the cost side from -- that offsets the revenue pressure?
Derek Kerr:
There was about -- in this quarter there was about $36 billion of benefit on the expense side.
Savanthi Syth:
All right, great, thank you.
Operator:
And next we'll take a question from Joe DeNardi with Stifel.
Joe DeNardi:
Hey, thanks. Good morning. Derek, maybe just a quick one on the 787, did any of that deferral have to do with the kind of the economics of that airplane, given lower fuel or was it strictly a capacity decision?
Derek Kerr:
Strictly a capacity decision.
Joe DeNardi:
Okay, and then on some of the rebankings you guys have gone through, I guess we only have maybe a few weeks of data. But has the revenue improvement met your expectations at this point and maybe what are the cost impact as well?
Derek Kerr:
It's too early for us to try to measure the revenue impact there particularly when the first two weeks of it are overlapping last year, and a change in the Easter. So it's early to measure the revenue impact and probably too early to really measure the cost impacts. Operationally I'll let Robert talk.
Robert Isom:
Operationally it's been a tremendous success on all the important metrics, whether it's starting the day out or departing and arriving on time throughout the day, connecting customers and baggage. We've been very pleased with the results, certainly in Dallas and especially in Chicago.
Derek Kerr:
And Joe, this is Derek, from a cost standpoint we added costs into those areas which is built into our CASM guidance or about there. It's probably about a quarter point of CASM with the headcount and another things that we put out at those airports. So that is already build into all the guidance that you have from our kind of CASM numbers.
Joe DeNardi:
Okay and Scott I think you spoke recently at a conference about some of the competitive pressures you're seeing from some ultra-low cost carriers. Has that changed the way that you are planning on competing against them going forward given some the share that they have in certain of your markets.
Derek Kerr:
I guess it depends on, I’d say the final change from -- we're competing using a lot more of the tactics, I think that perhaps we had used it US Airways where we had a bigger overlap with low cost carriers than American did. So probably as a level that is more aggressive perhaps in terms of competition. But were you really using a similar playbook that we used there but we were -- we had a whole lot more low cost carrier competition than American had had historically and now our network at American looks a lot more like level of competition that US Airways used to have particularly because of the changes here at Love Field.
Joe DeNardi:
Okay, thank you.
Operator:
And now we'll move to a question from Darryl Genovesi from UBS.
Darryl Genovesi:
Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I guess just one for Scott. Some of the U.S. Airlines are taking the domestic up-gauging strategy a little bit further than just adding some line seats and replacing 50 seaters with 76 seaters. I guess you've had the 717s coming in at Delta and then United, I guess now bringing in 757s and in particular the 777 in the domestic market. At what point do we start to worry that the domestic up-gauging is going too far and I guess are you contemplating any similar moves to perhaps bring more wide bodies into the domestic market.
Scott Kirby:
Well, I think Up-gauging within a class makes all the economics sense in the world for an individual airline. But going from 50 to 76 seats, going from an A-320 to an A-321, up-gauging in terms of wide body size 787-8 to -9 because the marginal cost of those is much lower. We're talking about going between classes. We certainly aren’t going to spring wide bodies out [ph] domestically. It's lower cost to provide two narrow bodies than it is to provide a single wide body for the same amount of seats. So that's not something that we're planning to do. But we are doing the same thing as others on -- as we get to trend that and it's really the higher profitability. It is pressuring RASM, on the cost system but we will get -- every airline is supporting record profitability in the first quarter and second quarter for the full year. And one of the things that's helping everyone report profitability, record profitability is up-gauging and getting more seats on aircraft. It's also one of the important ways that we can compete more effectively with ultra-low cost carriers. There is real advantages cramming as many seats as possible on an airplane. So we fly bigger airplanes and spread the cost of flying the aircraft out over more seats, it makes us that much more competitive with ultra-low cost carriers.
Darryl Genovesi:
Great, thanks for that. And then I guess Derek, maybe just if you wouldn’t mind can you provide an update on I guess the current view on when, if you even have a current view on when you might think about reversing the valuation allowance on the NOL.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I think we're going to take a view and look at that at the end of the year. So I think that is probably the timeframe. We want to get through the integration and get through the res migrations, which happens in the fourth quarter and then I think for modeling purposes I believe the val allowance will probably be reversed at the end of the year and then have book taxes in 2016 but no cash taxes until the NOL of about $10 billion runs off.
Darryl Genovesi:
Okay, and then on the fuel guidance I guess fuel has been pretty volatile here. I guess I was expecting it to move up a little bit more than it did. Can we think of this fuel market being kind of as of today, or is this sort of already stale just because of some of the volatility we've had in recent days.
Derek Kerr:
That's pegged as of April 21st. So I think it was pegged like a couple of days ago.
Darryl Genovesi:
Great. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it guys.
Operator:
Tom Ken [ph] with Goldman Sachs has the next question.
Unidentified Analyst:
Thanks. Scott I have a follow-up to a comment you made earlier about maintaining an elevated cash level during the integration. So given your operating cash flow outlook which is very bullish and your $10 billion in cash, can you help us understand why you wish to maintain an elevated level during the integration, like what are some of things that you're concerned about that drive this?
Derek Kerr:
This is Derek. We put aside cash to integrate the airline and we said it was going to be $1.2 billion, $1.25 billion to integrate the airline. We still got a lot of work to do. We still got a lot of integration to complete, a lot of capital to deploy, as we re-do the hubs and things that we just, that we've talked about earlier. So a lot of that cash is earmarked for those kind of things as we move forward and is built into our long range plan, which would have us elevated levels this year and maybe a little bit into next year.
Doug Parker:
This is Doug. To be clear we haven't said that the existing level is the right level. We said all the while it was simply that we think we -- which is accurate we believe as we go through integration we should hold more than other airlines our size or relative or similar sizes we're not trying to suggest that the existing level is the proper level, that’s really sure. I just want to be clear on that. That's not the point we're trying to make, it’s simply that we should be holding more than others as we go through integration and they aren't.
Unidentified Analyst:
That's fair enough. Would you be able to give us a sense of like what you think the right cash to revenue figures should be long term, like obviously you're at north of 20% now.
Derek Kerr:
It's hard to say long term when we're so focused on the near term again through integration. Other airline, you can look where other airlines, again similar size to us what their ratios are and my guess is they're being prudent. So you could view that perhaps as a prudent level but we haven't come to such conclusion yet. We're focused right now in going through the integration.
Unidentified Analyst:
Okay and then just with regard to pricing can you frame out how much international PRASM decline in the first quarter was due to FX translation and how much might have been related to international fuel surcharges?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, it was a little over a point for currency and about half a point, I think four points in the first quarter for surcharges.
Unidentified Analyst:
And then can you sort frame that for your 2Q guide as well?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, it’s two points for currency and 0.7 for surcharge.
Unidentified Analyst:
Thanks a lot.
Operator:
And we’ll now take a question from Mike Kardarshian [ph], Sterne Agee.
Unidentified Analyst:
Hi, yes, it’s Sterne Agee, [indiscernible] just merged there.
Doug Parker:
Congratulations Michael.
Unidentified Analyst:
Good to talk with you. I want to go back to [indiscernible] question, Doug as a large shareholder I'm sure one of the things in mind was your current valuation being as low as it is and certainly your confidence in management and executing its business plan, if you might have some insight information of that. And I'm curious about the comment about, we really won’t know it’s different until the next recession. I'm not so sure that’s correct and I just wanted to explore that one with you. I mean certainly one could do a sensitivity analysis and say that the fed goes crazy and all of a sudden we have a recession next year. I mean it would take an incredibly large drop in RASM next year for you guys to go into the red. I think you would agree with that. So and obviously a lot of other things have happened changes to your business model that are permanent changes, they’re not going to go away in the next recession. They will actually get a buffer thing. So I'm just wondering if you, particularly as a shareholder you are looking at valuations which are really being negatively affected by this perception that you guys are going to lose billions of dollar again in the next recession, if you can add some color to that.
Doug Parker:
Mike, I can’t agree with you more and you said it better than I did. If -- I'm sure I said what you said is which is we won’t know next recession that, what I believe is we will prove it in the next downturn. What I believe is what you just said, which is if anyone doesn’t believe it yet, we’ll prove it in the next downturn, is what I was trying to communicate. I believe exactly what you just said, which is anybody that really takes the time to study the industry and where it is now versus where it’s been in the past knows that it’s different. I certainly know that it’s different therefore I'm confident doing what I have done. And I think not to suggest that people that first thing I'm not sure yet, I haven’t studied that properly but I think I just want it heard [ph] to look at what’s happening today versus what’s happened in the past and not come to conclusions it is different. Where the level of earnings is much higher than it’s been in the past and it’s unclear. I don’t think this is peak. So the peaks are certainly higher and the volatility is less and the things that we worry about are much less dramatic than the kinds of things we worried about in the past, in terms of supply versus demand growth. So I'm with you completely and like I said you said better than I did. So I wasn’t trying to congest that this is an open question in our mind and we’ll find out in the downturn, what I meant to say what I should have said was it has changed and if you don’t believe it yet I guess we have to wait until there’s a downturn to prove it to you, but we’ll prove it to you then. But those who figure out now will reap the benefits of that instead of ebbing away.
Unidentified Analyst:
Thanks Doug, well said.
Doug Parker:
Thank you for helping me say it better.
Unidentified Analyst:
That’s what I'm here for.
Doug Parker:
All right, thanks Michael.
Operator:
And now at this time we would like to invite the members of the media the opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] And we will hear first from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Hey Scott can you clarify for me, did you say that American has revised capacity downward four quarters in a row or were you just talking about international capacity?
Scott Kirby:
It would be both, it’s been on the international side but overall capacity has come down four quarters in a row from our prior guidance.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay and if you can clarify for me a little bit, a couple of time as you’d referred to demand being strong but capacity additions outstripping demand. So when you do something like the further Dreamliners is it on just because you don’t want to add capacity to a market that already has too much or is it that the demand itself is slowing so you’re seeing lower demand as well?
Scott Kirby:
No, it’s really more the former, that while demand is still growing it’s not growing as fast as supply.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay, and is that worldwide?
Scott Kirby:
It’s mostly worldwide yes.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay, great, okay, thank you.
Operator:
And now David Koenig with The Associated Press has the next question.
David Koenig :
Hi, good morning, folks.
Doug Parker:
Hey David.
David Koenig :
I guess as a follow-up or maybe rephrasing Michael Derchin’s [ph] question, are you going to be able to keep growing the profits, when you start lapping the collapse fuel prices and if so how?
Scott Kirby:
Well we certainly hope so. We will have to get there and when we start getting to a point in time where fuel prices are up year-over-year, that really means is we will have to have RASM growing and because that’s just the way math works. We will have to get to a world where RASM is growing and I hope that will be a guess.
David Koenig :
But I mean how do you do that beyond just you know scaling back your planned increases in capacity?
Scott Kirby:
Well we there’s all kinds of things we do to try to manage the business and have always historically done to try to increase revenues and we will continue to do all of those things. It is not just about capacity, we will continue to -- we will continue -- we will get synergies from the merger, we will continue to have -- win new customers from the great product that we are putting out there. And there is a lot of things that we can do that are independent of the macroeconomic environment to make American Airlines a better airline, the preferred airline of our customers and that can lead to higher revenues even if we have macroeconomic challenges.
David Koenig :
Okay, thank you.
Operator:
Andrea Ahles with Fort Worth Star-Telegram has the next question.
Andrea Ahles:
Hi, good morning.
Doug Parker:
Hey, Andrea.
Andrea Ahles:
I wanted to ask a very profitable [ph] question about Dallas/Fort Worth. Can you talk a little bit more about the competitive pressures you are getting from Southwest and their continuing growth, I believe they aren’t even done adding all of what they have announced and if you are considering any capacity cuts, then domestically at DFW because of the competition you are seeing and the capacity increases you are seeing just in our local market here.
Scott Kirby:
So I may have answered this question less directly to one of the analysts that I thought it was referring to -- though he didn’t say DFW and the short answer is no. We are not planning to cut capacity in DFW markets. What actually might have happened is when fares go down one, these are all important markets for us, profitable markets, markets that are critical, the DFW hubs that connect customers from all the other destinations we fly and there is no chance that you pull any of these roots out the network. So why is that happening is you have lower fares, you will see you have absolute levels of demand that are higher. So at lower prices economics one-on-one you have more customers that want to buy the ticket at those prices and so you have more people showing up. So typically what happened is in many of these routes we’ll wind up actually having more having more capacity not by adding more frequencies or adding more flights but by simply up-gauging to larger aircraft, that these are [indiscernible] as we are taking more large aircraft like A321 and as we do that we have the opportunity to put them in routes and serve a larger segment of the customer in those markets. So no chance to reduce -- no plans to reduce capacity in those markets.
Andrea Ahles:
So the softness that you are seeing on the fare side because you are lowering fare to compete and the softness of it, is it still sort of on that promotional softness side or are you sort of seeing, at least some stabilization on -- out of this market?
Scott Kirby:
Yeah, I don’t know if it is promotional or if it’s permanent, I tend to be more in the camp of this is the new equilibrium point when the supply curve moves that much, economics one-on-one the price, the clearing price changes and I tend to think that we are near the clearing price. I don’t know if we, for sure we are not, but we are pricing to the demand and supply as it exists in the market today.
Andrea Ahles:
All right, thank you.
Operator:
And Jeffrey Dastin with Thomson Reuters has the next question.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Thanks. Could you break out any capacity change to Japan and clarify the timeline for Brazil and Venezuela capacity front?
Scott Kirby:
No change to Japan that we have, and Venezuela capacity cuts were last year in the third quarter of last year and Brazil has been coming online in the beginning in the third quarter, really fourth quarter of last year through today.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Okay, but might there be capacity cuts to Japan in the coming quarters?
Scott Kirby:
If there was we wouldn't be able to tell you in advance if they are but there is nothing loaded or planned.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Got it and if I just may one completely separate question. How is American preparing for fed rate hikes?
Scott Kirby:
For what?
Jeffrey Dastin:
For Federal reserve rate hikes.
Scott Kirby:
We're not doing anything specific for the federal reserve rate hike.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Okay great. Well, thank you very much.
Scott Kirby:
Thank you.
Operator:
Now we'll hear from Edward Russell with Flightglobal.
Edward Russell:
Hi yes. I've been looking at the loads on your new flights in Dallas/Fort Worth Hong Kong and Shanghai last year. And I noticed that they're significantly below where it was when you launched that in 2013. Can you give me -- do you have any view on how it's performing and whether you potentially plan to down gauge Hong Kong as you have done in Shanghai?
Scott Kirby:
Those routes are doing really well and we're happy with them and that's at best very imperfect to way judge a route performance. It depends on what the fares are in the market and in particular how much premium business, you look at market like Hong Kong actually and it’s our best premium market across the Pacific. So those routes are performing above expectations and we're happy with how they're doing.
Edward Russell:
Okay, thank you.
Operator:
And ladies and gentlemen this does conclude your question-and-answer session. I'll be happy to turn the call back over to your host for closing remarks.
Doug Parker :
All right, thank you all very much for your interest. We appreciate it, and thanks again.
Operator:
And ladies and gentlemen, with that, that will conclude your conference for today. Thank you for your participation.
Executives:
Dan Cravens - Managing Director, IR Doug Parker - Chairman and CEO Derek Kerr - EVP and CFO Scott Kirby - President Bev Goulet - SVP and Chief Integration Officer Steve Johnson - EVP, Corporate Affairs
Analysts:
Bill Greene - Morgan Stanley Jamie Baker - JP Morgan Julie Yates - Credit Suisse Hunter Keay - Wolfe Research Mike Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Helane Becker - Cowen & Company Dan McKenzie - Buckingham Research Thomas Kim - Goldman Sachs Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI Glenn Engel - Bank of America Darryl Genovesi - UBS Savi Syth - Raymond James Joe DeNardi - Stifel Bob McAdoo - Imperial Capital Mary Schlangenstein - Bloomberg News Terry Maxon - Dallas Morning News David Koenig - The Associated Press Andrea Ahles - Fort Worth Star-Telegram Dawn Gilbertson - Arizona Republic Jeffrey Dastin - Thomson Reuters Ely Portillo - Charlotte Observer Ted Reed - The Street
Operator:
Good day, and welcome to the American Airlines Group Fourth Quarter 2014 Earnings Call. Today’s call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And now, I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Dan Cravens.
Dan Cravens:
Thanks, Lisa, and good morning, everybody, and welcome to the American Airlines Fourth Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. Joining us on the call today is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Scott Kirby, President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room for question-and-answer session is Robert Isom, our Chief Operating Officer; Elise Eberwein, EVP of People and Communications; Bev Goulet, Chief Integration Officer; Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer; and Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs. We’re going to start the call today with Doug, and he will provide an overview of our financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter and provide some color on our guidance for 2015. Scott will then follow with commentary on the revenue environment and our operational performance; and then after we hear from those comments, we’ll open the call for analysts’ questions and lastly questions from the media. Before we begin, we must state that today’s call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and costs, forecast for capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but there are numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of those risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our last Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30. In addition, we’ll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as net profit and CASM, excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, and that can be found on our website at aa.com under the More About American Airlines Investor Relations section. Webcast of this call also will be archived on our website. The information that we’re giving you on the call is as of today’s date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us. And at this point, I’d like to turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Doug Parker.
Doug Parker:
Thanks, Dan, and thanks everyone for being on. We are here to talk about our fourth quarter and full-year 2014 earnings. We announced this morning record earnings for the fourth quarter of $1.1 billion. That’s up 153% over the prior year. And for the full-year 2014, record earnings of $4.2 billion. That’s up 115% versus 2013. This is the best year in the long proud history of American Airlines, and the best year by a long shot, more than double the prior record. And we’re extremely pleased to being reporting results like this just one year into our merger. It’s the result of 100,000 hardworking team members, who have done just a phenomenal job of working together and taking care of our customers. So we’re grateful for them, and all that they are doing and continuing to do and will continue to do in the years ahead. These results allow us to do a number of important things; invest in our people, invest in our customers and return capital to our shareholders. As to investing in our people, we hired over 7,000 new team members in 2014, including 2,300 flight attendants, 800 pilots, 300 mechanics. And in recognition of the outstanding performance, the company has done and our people have done, we instituted a 4% pay increase for all non-union employees below the director level, as well as for all of our contract employees that have reached joint contracts, joint collective bargaining agreements. Our flight attendants have indeed reached a five-year joint collective bargaining agreement, which includes industry-leading wage rates. Our pilots are currently voting on a tentative agreement for a five-year joint collective bargaining agreement, also including industry-leading wage rates. During the year, we prepaid our pension obligations by over $600 million. And based on current funding assumptions, we now have no required contributions until 2019. As to investing in our customers, we’ve continued our fleet modernization program. We added 132 new aircraft to the fleet in 2014 and retired 111 older ones. That will continue in 2015 as we plan to take delivery of 128 new airplanes and retire 126 older ones. American now has the youngest most modern fleet amongst our global network peers and that gap is widening every day. We also announced a $2 billion product enhancement initiative, including fully lie-flat seats on our long-haul international fleet, satellite-based internet access on international flights, a refreshed and modern design for our Admirals Club lounges worldwide, and an improved and updated airport check-in experience. And then we’ve used the returns after investing in our product and our people to return to our shareholders. Earlier this year, we announced the first shareholder dividend at American Airlines since 1980. We’ve continued that dividend in each quarter since the initial announcement including in today’s quarterly results. We also completed our previously announced $1 billion share repurchase program, more than a year before its expiration. And today, we announced the authorization of an additional $2 billion share repurchase program to be completed by the end of 2016. So when you can do all these things well, you generally see stock appreciation. That’s certainly been the case here. Now we at American Airlines, AAL, is not yet in the S&P 500, but we know that we will be one day. And if you look at our results, we produced a total shareholder return of 113% in 2014, and had we been in the S&P 500, that have been the second best amongst all the S&P 500, behind by the way only Southwest Airlines, our competitor. So it was a good year to invest in Dallas-based airlines. But this is not our first year of really strong returns. Our predecessor ticker, LCC, was up nearly 90% in 2013 and over 170% in 2012. So on a three-year basis, we produced a TSR of over 1000%. And that is by far the best of S&P 500 stocks and far in excess of anyone else, second place again actually. First in the S&P 500, but second if we were in it as a company with us with a 600% return. So we’re really proud of that record. We understand we work for all of you and we intend to work hard to continue building upon as we look to the years ahead. As to the outlook for 2015, we’re really pleased with where we are, but we know we have a lot more to do. 2015 is going to be a key year for our integration; getting to single operating certificate; merging into single frequent-flyer programs; integrating our reservation system; achieving joint collective bargaining agreements with our remaining workgroups, all those things need to be done in 2015. And our goal is to accomplish all of those in the year. It won’t be easy, but the incredible things our team has accomplished by working together thus far, gives us the confidence that we’re on the right track with the right team. As to our financial outlook, Derek will give you some guidance, but sufficed to say that we believe 2015 will be yet another record year, exceeding the results of 2014. We also expect our pre-tax earnings margins will be the best of our global network peers. It will be only our second year post-merger. And then lastly from me, we are well aware that much of the tailwind pushing our industry in 2015 is due to a significant and recent drop in oil prices. Our perspective is that Brent was over $100 a barrel for nearly four years and it’s been under $100 a barrel for merely four months. So we’re going to continue to run American as though we’re still operating with $100 per barrel oil. We think that’s best for our investors, out team members and our customers in how we plan to keep running the business. So with that, I’ll turn it over to Derek, and then Scott and then we’ll get back to questions.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everyone. In our earnings release filed earlier this morning you’ll find information pertaining to our fourth quarter and full-year 2014 results. As we talked about last quarter, please note that on a GAAP basis results for the fourth quarter and full-year 2014 shown today compares our post-merger performance to the 2013 GAAP financials for American Airlines Corporation, which includes results for U.S. Airways only for the period from the completion of the merger on December 9, 2013 through the end of 2013. This makes the year-over-year comparisons not meaningful. As such, for the fourth quarter and full-year 2013, we have provided our financial results on a non-GAAP combined basis, which is the sum of American Airlines’ and US Airways’ results for the 2013 periods. We believe this is the best way to review our financial results. You will be happy to know that this is the last quarter of these types of comparisons. Unless otherwise noted, all my comments will be based on the comparisons to the 2013 non-GAAP-combined results, which can be found in the press tables under the heading American Airlines GAAP Inc. Non-GAAP Combined Consolidated Statement of Operations. For the fourth quarter, the company recorded a record GAAP net profit of $597 million. This compares to a non-GAAP combined fourth quarter 2013 net loss of $1.9 billion. Excluding net special charges, we reported a record net profit of $1.1 billion in the fourth quarter of 2014. This represents 153% improvement over the combined non-GAAP net profit, excluding net special charges of $436 million for the same period in 2013. Using 724.8 million diluted shares outstanding, we reported earnings, excluding net special charges of $1.52 per diluted share for the fourth quarter of 2014. Our pre-tax margin, excluding net special charges, improved by 570 basis points year-over-year to 10.6%. Total capacity for the fourth quarter of 2014 was 65.1 billion ASMs, up 1.7%. Mainline capacity for the quarter was 57.8 billion, up 1.5%, while regional capacity for the quarter was up 3.8 % to 7.21 ASMs. As Doug said, in the fourth quarter, we took delivery of 20 mainline aircraft and retired 15 aircraft. On the regional side, we removed and parked 8 Embraer 140 aircraft and took delivery of 17 aircraft. We expect to end 2015 with close to flat aircraft count while we continue our fleet replacement program. We do expect to take delivery of 74 mainline aircraft and 50 regional aircraft, and plan to retire or park 104 mainline aircraft and 22 regional aircraft. Total operating revenues were a record $10.2 billion in the fourth quarter of 2014, up 2.1% from the same period last year. Passenger revenues for the quarter were $8.8 billion, up 0.7%, with yields up 0.9% on a 1.7% increase in system capacity. Cargo revenues were up 2% to $232 million, due primarily to higher freight volumes. Other operating revenues were $1.1 billion, up 14.4%, primarily due to higher frequent-flyer revenue, driven by our affinity card deal with Citibank announced in late 2013. Versus the fourth quarter 2013, Passenger RASM was down 1% to $0.135. Total RASM in the fourth quarter of 2014 was $0.1562, up 0.4%, and Scott will provide more detail on our revenue performance and demand environment after my comments. Airlines’ operating expenses, excluding net special charges for the fourth quarter of 2014 were $8.8 billion, down 4.1% year-over-year. Mainline operating cost per ASM, excluding net special charges, was $0.1251, down 5.9% year-over-year on a 1.5% increase of mainline ASMs. We have seen a material financial benefit resulting from the recent decline in crude oil prices as we haven’t hedged fuel. Our average mainline fuel price, including taxes for the fourth quarter of 2014 was $2.52 per gallon, on a 17.5% decline, versus $3.06 in the fourth quarter of 2013. Excluding net special charges and fuel, our mainline cost per ASM was $0.0867 in the fourth quarter of 2014, up 1.1% when compared to the same period in 2013. Regional operating cost per ASM, excluding net charges and fuel was higher by 0.9%. Excluding net special charges and fuel, our consolidated fourth quarter CASM was up 1.3% year-over-year. We ended 2014 with $8.1 billion in total cash and investments, of which, $774 million was restricted. The company also has an undrawn revolving credit facility of $1.8 billion, bringing our total unrestricted liquidity to $9.1 billion. As of December 31, 2014, approximately $656 million of the company’s unrestricted cash and investments balance was held in Venezuelan bolivars, which decreased $65 million from the September 30, 2014 balance of $721 million. During the quarter, the company returned $959 million to shareholders through the payment of $72 million in quarterly dividend and the purchase of $887 million of common stock or 20.5 million shares. As Doug said, the company’s $1 billion share repurchase program announced in July 2014 is now complete more than one year ahead of its scheduled expiration. When combined with $113 million spent in share repurchases in third quarter of 2014, the company repurchased a total of 23.4 million shares at an average price of $42.72 per share. As a result of these share repurchases, the net settlement of shares withheld in satisfaction of certain employee payroll tax obligations and the settlement in cash of our 7.25% convert, the company’s fully diluted share count has been reduced from $756 million at the time of merger close to $719 million today, or a reduction of approximately 5%. Company’s Board of Directors has declared a $0.10 per share dividend for the first quarter of 2015 and also authorized an additional $2 billion share repurchase program to be completed by the end of 2016. For the full-year, we have prepaid $2.7 billion in high-cost debt and lease obligations, thereby lowering our overall cost to capital. We also contributed $781 million to our defined pension plans. And based on airline funding rules, we are over 100% funded, which is better than our network peers. Based on current assumptions, we are forecasting no recorded contributions until 2019. Turning now to our 2015 guidance. We have lowered our full-year overall system capacity by half of a point and are now forecasting it to be up approximately 2% to 3%. This increase in capacity is primarily driven by increased gauge from aircraft deliveries, higher seat density through aircraft reconfigurations, higher completion factor and an increased stage length. Domestic capacity is expected to be up approximately 3% in 2015, while international capacity is expected to be up approximately 1.5%. By quarter, mainline capacity breaks down as follows; 56.5 billion in the first quarter, 62.4 billion in the second quarter; 63.6 billion in the third quarter and 58.2 billion in the fourth quarter. Regional capacity breaks down by quarters as follows; 7.27 billion in the first, 8.01 billion in the second, 8.19 billion in the third and 8.11 billion in the fourth. There has been a lot of talk of capacity changes in response to lower fuel price. You won’t see any changes from us in the near future since we continue to run the airline as though high fuel prices will return. Even if we were inclined to be less discipline about expansion, our infrastructure is not set up to handle additional capacity increases above our current plans for at least 18 to 24 months. Given our expected retirements and all of the additional trainings that has to occur as we take new deliveries to replace MD80s, 757s and 767s, we are using 100% of our training resources for the foreseeable future. Even if we wanted to increase utilization, we have to add simulators, hire and train new instructors, etcetera, and that’s just not something that is practical to do just because oil prices are lower today. For the full-year 2015, we’re forecasting total CASM, ex-special items and fuel to be up approximately 3% in 2014. This increase is driven primarily by the cost of new labor contracts for both, flight attendants and pilots. In the event the pilots do not ratify the tentative agreement this week, then our cost would be approximately $600 million lower than today’s guidance, which would be about 2.5 points of consolidated CASM. Mainline CASM excluding special items and fuel is projected to be up approximately 4%, while regional CASM excluding special items and fuel is projected to be down approximately 5%. By quarter, our mainline CASM ex-fuel and special items is as follows. First quarter is up between 5% and 7%, slightly higher than full-year due to maintenance timing and lower year-over-year capacity; second and third quarters are up between 2% and 4%; fourth quarter up between 3% and 5%. Regional CASM excluding special items and fuel by quarter breaks down as; first and second quarters will be down 4% to 6%, third quarter down 3% to 5% and fourth quarter down 4% to 6%. As I mentioned earlier, we’re seeing substantial financial benefit as a result of the recent drop in crude oil prices. With no fuel hedges in place, the entire change in fuel price goes straight to our bottom line. Using the January 22nd fuel curve, we are forecasting our 2015 consolidate fuel price to be in the range of $1.73 to $1.78 per gallon. Based on these prices, we expect our 2015 consolidated fuel expense to improve by more than $5 billion year-over-year. By quarter, our forecast for mainline price breaks down as; first quarter $1.71 to $1.76, second $1.67 to $1.71, third quarter $1.74 to $1.79, fourth quarter $1.76 to $1.81. On the regional side; the first quarter is $1.75 to $1.80, second quarter is $1.71 to $1.76, third quarter $1.78 to $1.83, and the fourth quarter $1.80 to $1.85. Using the midpoints of the guidance we have provided along with the PRASM guidance that Scott will give, we expect our first quarter pre-tax margin to be between 13% and 15%, an improvement of approximately 1000 basis points as compared to first quarter 2014. While we expect to have a large increase in cash flow this year, resulting from lower fuel prices and merger synergies, we will continue to remain disciplined in our capital allocation process with a bias towards investing in the airline, paying down high-cost debt above our average cost to debt and returning excess cash to our shareholders. Looking at CapEx, our focus continues to be on integrating the airline, while also making key investments in the fleet, product, operations and our people. We are forecasting total gross aircraft CapEx to be approximately $5.2 billion in 2015, with a capital markets as strong as they are today, I expect we will advantage of low financing rates to fund a greater portion of our aircraft deliveries, than the $1 billion in commitments that are currently in place for 2015. In addition, we expect to invest a $1 billion for non-aircraft CapEx. We also expect $2.1 billion in debt repayments in 2015, which includes $800 million in prepayments of high cost debt. So in summary, we’re extremely pleased with our record financial results. Our more than 100,000 team members are the best in the industry and it’s their efforts that make 2014 such an outstanding year. While lot of hard work remains as we complete our integration, we have made great strides in our first year following the merger, which we believe puts us on the right track towards our goal of restoring American to the world’s greatest airline. Now I’ll turn it over to Scott to go through the revenue line.
Scott Kirby:
Thanks, Derek, and I’d like to start by thanking all the people of American Airlines for the great job they continue to do operationally during the fourth quarter and again today as we’re dealing with the winter storm in the Northeast. On the revenue front, our fourth quarter PRASM was down 1%, which was worse than our original forecast for flat to up 2%. We can’t really point to single event that causes to miss the forecast other than to say if there is a lot of change going on in our network, both from us doing things like increasing density on existing aircraft and from our competitors who have large competitive capacity growth in many AA markets during the fourth quarter. In particular, there was significant capacity growth in some of our markets during the fourth quarter. We got new non-stop city pair competition in 50 new markets and 44 of those new entrants were low-cost carriers. While there are always competitive capacity changes, that’s an unusually high and concentrated number of new starts that in hindsight we didn’t accurately forecast. Despite the growth in new domestic competitive capacity, however our domestic PRASM was still up 4%. We continue to do well across the Pacific with a 1% decline in PRASM despite 23% ASM growth. Our Atlantic PRASM was down 2% as industry capacity growth still exceeded demand in fourth quarter. And of course Latin America remained the most challenging region for us with RASM down 11%, though excluding Venezuela Latin RASM would have been down only 2%. We’re still making solid progress on our integration efforts and are pleased with the progress thus far. Some of the recent integration highlights that are included as Doug said, reaching a final joint collective bargaining agreement with our flight attendants, reaching a tentative JCBA with our pilots. We completed the eight of nine revision cycles on our way to achieving a single operating certificate, which we expect to complete in the first half of this year. We completed additional airport collocations that are now combined in 75% of the airports where we have joint operations; launched Match My Account to help our customers combine their AAdvantage and Dividend Miles account in preparation for converting to a single frequent-flyer program in the first half of this year. We completed the reconfiguration of 221 737 800s moving them from 150 to 160 seats. We moved to single revenue accounting system in fourth quarter and we also continued to be excited about our progress with wining important corporate accounts. We continue to see significant strength in New York from combining the two networks, and that helped us generate double-digit PRASM increases again in New York in the fourth quarter. We know that 2015 is a big year for integration, but consistent with what we’ve said previously, all the work we’re doing leaves us confident that we’ll be able to meet or exceed our prior synergy guidance. Turning to the outlook, going forward, we continue to feel good about the demand environment, though there are some specific headwinds. With the possible exception of South America, demand remains good, though PRASM is being pressured in a number of markets where capacity is growing faster than demand. Higher year-over-year completion factor will be an earnings positive that will negatively impact PRASM, and we expect currency headwinds in all international regions from the strengthening dollar. As I said earlier, we saw some large competitive capacity growth in the AA markets during the fourth quarter. In the first quarter, we have new competition in five more markets, but we’ll still feel the impact of the 50 new markets that started in the fourth quarter. Internationally, AA has reduced capacity by 8% across the Atlantic and by 7% to Latin America. The total industry growth is still high in all international regions. Given the capacity issues, we expect Q1 PRASM to be down in all regions except for the Atlantic, where we expect modest PRASM growth on the back of our capacity clutch. Including all of the effects described above, we expect system PRASM to be down 2% to 4% in the first quarter. As we move forward, the comps, particularly the international comps get easier in the third and fourth quarter as we overlap the Venezuela situation and the challenges in Brazil and Argentina. And of course we expect to begin realizing the benefits of rebanking Dallas and Chicago in the second quarter, and to be able to realize the bulk of the revenue synergies once we move to a single reservation system in the fourth quarter. In conclusion, we’re very encouraged with the operating and integration results at American Airlines. And while there are some near-term capacity headwinds, the demand environment remains strong, and we’re positive about long-term demand trends. With that, Doug.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Derek. Thanks Scott. Operator, we are ready to begin taking questions.
Operator:
Thank you sir. [Operator Instructions] And we’ll pause for just a moment to give everybody the opportunity to signal. And we will take our first question from Bill Greene from Morgan Stanley.
Bill Greene:
Hi, good morning. Doug, I wanted to ask you about your views on the revenue side, because for a long time you’ve sort of said, look, there is no point in hedging because fuel goes down, revenues eventually follow. So I realize demand plays a pretty big role in this question, but when you think about it, what’s your best guess about when we start to see an impact on RASM from falling fuel, or is this time different and we may not in fact see that?
Doug Parker:
I’ll let Scott chime in behind me with more detail, but to be clear, I don’t think we ever said Bill, it doesn’t make any sense to hedge because pricing follows cost. Indeed what we said was for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the cost of hedging, but also the fact that it doesn’t de-risk the firm, we didn’t think it made sense to hedge. Events like we’ve seen lately, large drops in fuel prices are really costly to companies that have locked in prices. And this time it happened to occur not because of a decline in the economy but they often times do, which gets you actually a more risky situation than others, but again if I said that Bill, that I’d like to go back and clarify because the fact of the matter is if we felt that our prices were always tied to fuel prices, we wouldn’t have been working at airlines that were losing billions of dollars when fuel prices went up and we couldn’t raise prices. What we believe is that, pricing is tied to demand, and that demand, as Scott said, remains strong and that’s what we should base our pricing on, not based on our cost structure. Scott, why don’t you…
Scott Kirby:
Yes. I think Bill what you maybe referring to is commentary we’ve said where we talked about a natural hedge between a demand-driven decline in oil prices and our revenues. So the world economy got weak. That would lead - or the U.S. economy got weak that would lead to lower oil prices. The difference now is this is a supply-driven decline in demand, we always have and always intend to, price to demand as opposed to cost, but this decline in oil prices is supply-driven event as opposed to a demand-driven event. And because of that, you see a disconnect between that oil and that airline revenue relationship that existed when it was - when the oil prices was being driven by demand.
Bill Greene:
That makes sense. Let me just ask you one another question. Derek mentioned there is limited ability to flex up on capacity. In the event that we saw demand start to follow oil for whatever reason, or it just disappointed us for whatever reason, how much downside flexibility would you have on capacity?
Scott Kirby:
Well, I mean we have a pretty fair amount because we’re retiring aircrafts and we can just accelerate those retirements. We actually accelerated some of those retirements in 2015, but we’ve got a couple of hundred aircraft that are scheduled to be retired over the next few years. We could always accelerate that if we want. Though obviously with our current outlook we don’t have any plans to change that. We continue to look at demand - or continue to look at the environment and work on our capacity. And you can see that even as we came into this year just as we fine-tune the schedule, we lowered capacity by half a point. There is nothing systematic about that. That’s just fine-tuning and going through market-by-market and allocating capacity. But we have flexibility though, obviously if the environment stays like it is today and like we like we expect it to be, we don’t intend to reduce beyond where we are right now.
Bill Greene:
Right. That’s great. Thanks for the time guys. I appreciate it.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Bill.
Operator:
And we’ll go now to Jamie Baker from JP Morgan.
Jamie Baker:
Hi, good morning, everybody.
Doug Parker:
Hi Jamie.
Jamie Baker:
Derek, are both operating entities fully harmonized in terms of frequent flyer accounting, or are there some other potential RASM implications as that process plays out down the road this year?
Derek Kerr:
No, they are fully harmonized.
Jamie Baker:
Okay. And I think you said Bev was in the room. Bev, could you outline what some of the, I guess, more material integration challenges and timings are that we should be aware of this year in particular, both in terms of what the passengers can come to expect, but equally if not more importantly, what the owners should be looking for?
Bev Goulet:
Yes, sure, hi Jamie. We do have a number of big events coming at us this year. Scott mentioned a couple of them. You’ll see us harmonize the frequent flyer program later this spring. We will be migrating the Dividend Miles program into AAdvantage. So that will be obviously something - it will be front and center with our customers, particularly the members of both of those programs. Scott also mentioned we’re in rev cycle eight of nine now, and we are well on the way and very much on track to single operating certificate also this spring. And then probably the biggest event is the migration of our res program and we have that scheduled towards the back of the year. A whole lot of planning going on there, because as we know from other experiences, the systems can work just fine, but if we don’t have our employees fully prepared for all of those changes, things can still get muddled up. So, a lot of emphasis goes on IT preparedness as well as business readiness. In terms of our owners, a lot of progress has been made on things like aligning sales contracts, GDS agreements and so forth, but clearly those efforts will continue as will alignment of supply contracts and things that will drop right to the bottom line. But we think we got a good plan. The whole company is really impacted by it as you know, so a lot of time communicating with our employees and giving them all the tools they need to really be fully prepared to make it as seamless as possible.
Jamie Baker:
Excellent. Very thorough. I appreciate it Bev. Take care.
Bev Goulet:
You too.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Jamie.
Operator:
And we’ll go now to Julie Yates with Credit Suisse.
Julie Yates:
Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. On the PRASM guide for the first quarter of down 2% to down 4%, have you changed anything in your forecasting process to eliminate some of the errors that impacted Q4’s progression, or is this a case with two reservations systems, it’s going to be a little bit tougher to be accurate until the systems are merged?
Scott Kirby:
I don’t know that we always try to improve our forecasting process and we always try to give you guys a 50/50 forecast. I think it is fair in the fourth quarter. I think the biggest thing we probably messed was the impact of 50 new routes starting up. And while we knew that those - we could have known that those routes were starting up, we don’t really built that into our normal forecasting process just because it’s unusual. And so we think we’ve given you the best forecast we can, or you know we’ve given you the best forecast we can. We think it’s the right forecast. There is more volatility in our process right now than there will be at steady state, because we just have a lot of change going on. There is some of that that’s between two different systems, but also we just have enough change going on that our volatility is higher than it will, than it would normally be or than it will be once we’ve settled out and once we’ve merged everything and are in more of a steady state performance, but we gave you the best forecast we could for the fourth quarter and we turned out to missed it. We’ve given you the best forecast we can for this quarter and we’ll continue to update you every month as we get better.
Julie Yates:
Okay, understood. And then on the transatlantic, you mentioned that this is going to be the only positive region in the first quarter on unit revenues. Is there a risk to this given some of the competitive capacity addition from Delta and Virgin Atlantic? I believe they’re increasing capacity about 10% on some of the route?
Scott Kirby:
Well, there is always a risk to it. We feel pretty good about that forecast. The U.K. remains relatively strong, which is where we have the bulk of our capacity. And we cut capacity a lot. So while we said PRASM is going to be up, that’s on the back of 7%, 8% - I think it’s 8% across the Atlantic production in capacity. So PRASM is going to be up based on that. So we think that’s what will happen, but obviously we can’t know for sure until we get through the quarter.
Julie Yates:
Okay. Thank you very much.
Operator:
And we’ll take our next question from Hunter Keay from Wolfe Research.
Hunter Keay:
Hi, good morning, everybody.
Doug Parker:
Hi Hunter.
Hunter Keay:
So I don’t have the cash flow statement in front of me, but I think ballpark, you guys are going to return about $1 billion of cash to shareholders despite maybe generating free cash flow of negative roughly $1 billion? You probably have about, I don’t know, $1 billion to $2 billion is too much cash on the balance sheet. You’re probably going to do, let’s say, $1 billion to $2 billion of free cash flow. And Derek said you are going to raise at least $1 billion, maybe $3 billion of cash in the capital markets. Is there a scenario where if the market continues to penalize your stock with the amount of multiple compression that we’ve seen over the last few months, where you return all of the $5 billion of fuel windfall to your shareholders this year even in the absence of, let’s say, $5 billion of free cash flow?
Doug Parker:
We’re not going to get into those scenarios now.
Hunter Keay:
Totally understand. Maybe let me put the question differently, Doug. I mean, did the market penalizing your stock because your stock did not go up as much as it should have based on EPS going higher. Did that factor in your decision to deploy an enormous amount of cash in the fourth quarter?
Doug Parker:
Okay, let me try this. Let’s see if this helps. We look to use our cash as follows. First, ensure that we have enough cash on hand to withstand any sort of unforeseen outcome, and more so than our other large competitors at this point in time given what we’re going through, which is integration. So we look first to ensure that we have more than ample cash on hand. And then for cash - as for the uses of cash, that we have an excess so that we look to first invest in the business. We’re doing that, and I think both in terms of the integration, as well as things like the $2 billion and customer improvements we talked about. And then having done that - and then look to reduce any high cost debt, we’ve done virtually all of that. I mean, Derek can tell you if there is more comment, but so far we are at the point now where we’ve paid down everything that we could have at least that’s above our cost of capital. And now we look to going forward, do you actually as you have airplanes coming in, do you go and actually pay cash for those, or do you finance them? And the reality is, at least in the current environment, it’s definitely in our shareholders’ best interest for us to at least go and invest some large percentage of the cost of those airplanes because you can do so at investment grade rates below 4%. And we obviously believe we can use that cash better and get higher returns on that. So long way me saying, you get through all that, and I think the math you were going through, you end up with still cash left over if indeed we continue to produce earnings like we have in ‘14 like we’re looking for ‘15. And that cash is yours and our job is to make sure we get it back to you as efficiently as possible. And we will continue to try to do that. I don’t - frequently the biggest conversations we have is, what the most efficient way of doing that is? And what we certainly saw - now getting to your question. What we certainly believed as we were headed through the fourth quarter of 2014 was that our stock was undervalued, and we therefore thought it was in the best interest of our shareholders to use that excess cash to repurchase shares and we did that.
Hunter Keay:
Yes, that’s helpful, Doug. Thank you. And a question for Scott. Can you help us understand what the point of sale mix is on some of your international service as we sort of break it down between developed economies and emerging market economy? Like, is it maybe more balanced point of sale to say like a Western Europe than it is to some of your new China service or down in Latin America? At a high level, can you help me understand that relates - I’m thinking about this in the context as FX risk, Scott.
Scott Kirby:
Yes. So these numbers won’t be exact, but Europe is about 50/50 point of sale, China is more U.S. point of sale and Latin America very - deep South America which is where the challenges are is majority Brazil, Argentina, 70% plus of the revenue is being sold in South America. The Caribbean and Mexico is mostly U.S., particularly the Caribbean. So, as you think about foreign exchange risk, I’ll just give you some numbers. If you just took our mix of sales around the world from the fourth quarter. For those countries where we sell in euros or in foreign currencies, that would - if we just kept the same mix of revenue and nothing else changed, that would be 0.7 percentage point decline in system PRASM, which is baked into our forecast, but that’s what it would - that’s the impact. That doesn’t include the impact of a place like Brazil, where we sell tickets in dollars. And while we sell them in dollars, a 25% depreciation in the Brazilian currency is obviously going to have an elasticity effect. It also doesn’t include that if you’re American it’s not cheaper to go to Europe for vacation. And so there is some offsets, but I think the currency impact is probably something a little less than 1% on PRASM. We have that offsetting CASM help - we do have some expenses in foreign currencies and obviously the impact on oil prices is even bigger. So while it’s a negative in the PRASM, it’s probably an earnings positive to have a strong dollar when you consider all the effects.
Hunter Keay:
Thanks a lot.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Hunter.
Operator:
And we’ll go now to Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Mike Linenberg:
Good morning. Hi, Scott, I just want to go back on - you talked about international capacity down 8% in Atlantic and Latin down 7%. Is that March quarter, or is that full-year? I just…
Scott Kirby:
That’s first quarter.
Mike Linenberg:
Okay. So that’s first quarter. And then your point about the international comps getting easier in the third quarter and fourth quarter. I mean, I get the year-over-year impact with Venezuela, but as we’ve seen things deteriorate in some of the other Latin regions and things like the Japanese yen go through a further depreciation. Like, what’s underlying that? Like, what are you seeing, or is it just because you’re going to see additional capacity come out? What’s driving that view?
Scott Kirby:
Well, Venezuela is two points at system level. So that’s a huge tailwind. And that’s by far the biggest impact in the third and fourth quarter. But we also look at Brazil for example, which the deterioration started in the third quarter - the Brazil and Argentina are two largest Latin geographies, where the deterioration started last year really in the third and fourth quarters. And we anticipate improvement on a year-over-year basis as we get there, particularly as we started to pull capacity out and we’ll continue to do that as we go through the year. So my commentary on the third and fourth quarter getting easier is more focused on Latin America than it is either Asia or Pacific, but particularly for the fourth quarter, we’ll also start to have a tailwind across the whole system. Once we get to the single reservation system that will unlock a lot of the synergies that we can’t realize until we’re onto a single reservation system. That’s more across the whole system, but the commentary about the international is more focused on South America.
Mike Linenberg:
Great. And if I could just squeeze in a question for Derek on the debt pay down. I think you said $800 million in the last quarter or so. As you look out going forward, what are the opportunities on debt pay down, or is it just - are you at the point where lot of the stuff that was expensive has already either been taken care of, or you have debt out there that’s already at pretty attractive rates, I guess there a lot more to do on the debt pay down front?
Derek Kerr:
No, I think the $800 million is in ‘15. So we have two items in ‘15. One is going to happen in the first quarter and one will happen in the third quarter that are prepayment of debt. And then there is one in ‘16. But other than that, we have actually cleaned up everything and paid off everything as Doug said below - or above our cost to debt which is in just over 6% range. All of that has been paid off that we can. So there is not much other than the $815 million and then there is one item in ‘16. Other than that, it will be general just aircraft debt pay offs.
Mike Linenberg:
Okay, great. Thanks everyone.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Mike.
Operator:
And we’ll take our next question from Helane Becker from Cowen & Company.
Doug Parker:
Hi Helane.
Helane Becker:
Hi guys. Thanks for the time. I’m just kind of curious about this seemingly frivolous lawsuit the mechanics filed against you guys. How should we think about that with looming negotiations for the JCBA?
Steve Johnson:
This is Steve, Helane. And I echo your characterization of frivolous. This lawsuit is really I think a more effort to get media attention than it is to pursue a real legal initiative, and we expect that the lawsuit will be dismissed in due course. While the motives of this guy, Gary Peterson who is leading this charge are a little confusing. I think it has a lot more to do with his fight for a place in his union or to lead the team of people to a different union. I don’t think that the dispute itself that’s in the courtroom is going to have any impact on negotiations once those negotiations start going, but it very likely will have an impact on when we actually get to the negotiating table with these workgroups. And that’s disappointing because we would really like to be able to expedite those negotiations and get our mechanics and all of our other ground employees to join collective bargaining agreements quickly.
Helane Becker:
Okay. And then - thank you for that. I really appreciate the answer. And then I don’t know if you can do this, but is it possible to parse out what percent, or can you say what percent of your business comes from like energy-related travel within Texas versus say the new markets that are competing with you to determine what impact lower energy prices is having on your corporate accounts?
Scott Kirby:
I don’t know for the whole system, but for corporate accounts that we would know that those are energy-related companies I believe is less than 1%. It’s bigger than that, because there are lot of people that aren’t on corporate accounts that are involved in the energy business that are flying on us or people that work for energy companies that go on vacation. So I don’t know what the overall impact on our revenue and demand will be though. Clearly, that’s a trade-off that we’re happy to make to have lower energy prices in exchange for a little loss of demand from that segment of our traveler base.
Helane Becker:
Great. Thank you for the answers.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Helane.
Operator:
And we’ll go now to Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research.
Dan McKenzie:
Well, hi, good morning guys.
Doug Parker:
Hi Dan.
Dan McKenzie:
A couple of questions here. Derek, what were the NOLs as of December 31, first of all? And then second of all, is the $65 million drop in the bolivars in the fourth quarter a fair bolivar burn rate looking ahead?
Derek Kerr:
Two things. One, the NOLs are still right around $10 billion. So that will not much change from the end. We haven’t used any of that yet. So we’re still at about $10 billion and then val allowance is at about $4.6 billion. The run rate on the Venezuela, I mean that’s just what happened in this quarter. We are going to - we’re using up some of them each quarter as we move forward. We did get some return to us during the quarter and we got it returned at - we had the 2012 on it 4.3%, and we got it returned at 6.3%. So we actually wrote a little bit of that off as you can see in the charge. So we got about $20 million back. We wrote off about $30 million of it. So that makes up to $65 million. So I wouldn’t - there is no real run rate on it. It’s just going to be as it is and as it comes back to us as we get things returned from Venezuela.
Dan McKenzie:
Understood. Okay. And then secondly, it looks like investors are interpreting that the PRASM guide probably this morning just given shares that are down a dollar in pre-market trading. So competitive capacity and overcapacity in international markets factors, but I guess the question is, how much of a PRASM drag is coming from larger incoming deliveries replacing the smaller ND80s? And I guess just tied to that, how effectively can you really revenue manage the additional seats on those planes, just given the mixed fleet composition at this point?
Scott Kirby:
So the easier way to think about that, the bigger capacity impact I think is the 737s having 10 more seats on them. It’s a more straight forward analysis. And that’s we had 221 737s that got 10 more seats on them in the fourth quarter. And so all of the extra seats would be flying in the third quarter. We think that those seats will come in at about 65% of the average PRASM. So the marginal PRASM will be about 65%, which means that at a system level, effects PRASM by about 0.4 points. It’s P&L positive because our marginal CASM on those extra seats is a lot less than 65%. So it’s P&L positive, but it is about 0.4 percentage point drag on system PRASM.
Dan McKenzie:
Understood. Thanks Scott.
Operator:
We’ll go now to Thomas Kim with Goldman Sachs.
Thomas Kim:
Good morning. With regard to international, the yields on Atlantic and Pacific were certainly encouraging. Obviously we look to see PRASM up as well, but I’m wondering, is this yield improvement any sign of an early inflection, or is it too early to say?
Scott Kirby:
I think it’s probably too early to say. We at American have taken a lot of steps to try to improve yield and we spent a lot of time focusing on - we spent more time actually focusing on looking at the yield environments as opposed to load factor, because you can always keep the load factor up by lowering prices. And so there are a number of efforts underway. We have opportunity to increase the load factor, but we wanted to find ways to increase the load factor without negatively impacting those yield numbers, but I wouldn’t interpret it as some inflection point. It’s just a continued evolution of the market and the demand environment.
Thomas Kim:
Okay. Fair enough. And based on your outlook and what you’re seeing in LatAm, is there any reason why you couldn’t be more aggressive in cutting capacity?
Scott Kirby:
I think we feel pretty good about how far we’ve gone. And of all the carriers we track, we’re the only ones that have cut capacity. And so I think we’re probably - at least our plan is we’re done in cutting.
Thomas Kim:
Okay, and if I could just add a follow-on. Where does this extra capacity go?
Scott Kirby:
What extra capacity?
Thomas Kim:
As you reduce capacity, where does that incremental capacity go within the system?
Scott Kirby:
We wound up - we in 2015 have retired more airplanes than we originally planned to.
Thomas Kim:
Okay, great. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
And we’ll take our next question from Duane Pfennigwerth from Evercore ISI.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Hi, good morning.
Doug Parker:
Good morning, Duane.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Most of my questions have been asked, but I just wanted to ask you for some thoughts around hedging. Can you talk about any work you’ve done to sort of analyze whether now is the right time? And if you won’t bite on that, I guess, can you describe a scenario where price or situation where your answer might change and where it might make sense?
Scott Kirby:
So we get questions like that a lot. I’ll note that I first started getting those questions first time when oil declined from $115 to $103. So you get it lot every decline. Look, you still have the same challenges with the deciding that you want to speculate on oil prices. And one, you’ve got to - you can’t buy oil at today’s prices far out into the future. The market is in pretty steep contango, so it’s hard thing to go do. And the only rationale for putting a position on systematic hedging we’ve talked about on calls like this just doesn’t make sense is to put a big position on. And you’re buying at a really steep contango. You got really high expenses, and somehow you’ve got to convince yourself that you know better than all the professionals in the oil market here out trading in the market. So that’s a really hard hurdle for us to overcome. It doesn’t mean we never will, but we haven’t done anything yet. And all the rationale that we’ve had for not hedging in the past still exists today. Oil prices are lower, so the downside of hedging is less. If you’re wrong, you’re going to lose less money than if you hedge when oil was $115 a barrel. But the theoretical rationale for not hedging really hasn’t changed. It’s just that the downside has gotten less.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Okay. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Duane.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And we will now take our next question from Glenn Engel from Bank of America.
Glenn Engel:
Good morning. Question on cost and revenue. On the cost side, if I look at how much wages are going up, it would cause the costs to go up more than maybe 3% to 4%. So, what’s the good guys that are offsetting the big labor cost pressures? And on the revenue side, the Atlantic down 1.7% was worse than Delta and United. Why was there a gap, and why does the PRASM gap between what you and Delta and United seem to be getting wider in the first quarter? Why hasn’t it stabilized?
Derek Kerr:
Okay. On the cost side, we’re seeing some of the synergies already come in. So the selling expenses are down a good point, even the other expenses are down. Landing fees and aircraft rents are pretty flat. So really the increases on the year for the quarter are salaries and benefits as we talked about, maintenance and depreciation are the other two increases during the quarter. But for the full-year, we’re going to see salaries and benefits up, but we do see selling expenses and maintenance decreasing year-over-year, primarily due to fewer engine overhaul. So those are the primary areas from a full-year perspective. Just the difference in the first quarter is just the maintenance timing is negative in the first quarter, but for a full-year, it’s almost half a point better as are the selling expenses as you get through the year. So those are the two biggies that offset the salaries and benefits and the depreciation increases.
Scott Kirby:
And on the revenue front, I think the simple explanation is more competitive capacity in our markets, 50 markets, some of those are across the Atlantic, Dallas and Washington National are the two largest, those are well known, but there is also been pretty significant growth from Frontier in Philadelphia and to some degree Chicago. So I think we just have more markets that are now have LCC pricing in them and that really ramped up and started in the fourth quarter and ramps up even more into the first quarter.
Glenn Engel:
And the Atlantic?
Scott Kirby:
It’s same issue. There is - you got more capacity, some of the new markets are out of the U.K. Virgin and Delta and reorient and fly more out of Heathrow.
Glenn Engel:
Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Glenn.
Operator:
And we’ll take our next question from Darryl Genovesi from UBS.
Darryl Genovesi:
Hi guys.
Doug Parker:
Hi Darryl.
Darryl Genovesi:
Thanks for the update on your synergy targets. I just wondered if you can put a little meat on the bones that you have, your 3% CASM and fuel guidance out there now. So wondering specifically if you could quantify the cost synergies are already baked into that as opposed to what you think is yet to come through in 2016 and beyond, as you cut over to single reservation system, and generally target the legacy cost structure?
Scott Kirby:
I would say from a cost perspective, most of the synergies - I would say 75% of the synergy is already built-in. So the increase is due to labor offset by some of the synergies that we talked about on the sale side and those are - there are other areas that we will see as synergies going into 2016 after integration, which are some areas - and examples are the maintenance area today and the IT area today are all, we have not had any synergies in either one of those areas from a people perspective, but we may see some of those as we go forward. And as we retire systems down the road, we will continue to see some synergies in those areas. So I would say about from a cost perspective, 75% of those synergies are built-in already into the forecast through 2015 and there is about 25% more to come. And then on the revenue side, I think we might be at about 50% now with more to come in 2016 and ‘17.
Darryl Genovesi:
Great. Thanks very much.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Darryl.
Operator:
And we’ll take our next question from Savi Syth from Raymond James.
Savi Syth:
Hi, good morning. Just as far as - I believe most of competitive capacity issues are probably surrounded around Dallas. And I’m just wondering if the pressure that you’re seeing and some of it is introductory fares. I was wondering if there is any improvement in the fares in Dallas? And then also if you can help us understand maybe how the rebanking might help that as you get into 2Q and 3Q?
Derek Kerr:
Sure. So I don’t think there has been any real change in the pricing environment in Dallas. Rebanking will help - I’ll take one step back. What has happened in those Dallas market is there has been a decline in the local yields as prices have come down. Our local volumes have actually stayed about the same. So the load factor contribution from local traffic has stayed about the same. But we’ve managed to improve the connecting RASM to counteract some of the decline in loss of the local RASM. So rebanking will help with that, because we’ll have even more connecting opportunities in those markets. So rebanking will help. It will just help of course - of course it will just help the markets that have new competition from Love Field will help all the markets, but it will help all those markets in Dallas on March 29th when we get it rebanked.
Savi Syth:
Got it. And then just on the LatAm PRASM. How much of impact from Venezuela is reflected in 1Q, and what’s the expected trend as you go forward in the next few quarters?
Derek Kerr:
Well, it was 2 points in the fourth quarter and it’s only about 0.5 point in the first and second quarter of this year. And then it’s essentially nothing in the third and fourth quarter.
Savi Syth:
Got it. And if I might ask one last ask questions on New York, its strong unit revenue growth. Is that coming from kind of market share gains on the corporate side, or is it better pricing, or what’s driving that strength?
Scott Kirby:
I think it is mostly market share gain with corporates and pretty new customers.
Savi Syth:
All right, great. Thank you.
Doug Parker:
And before the next question operator, the question about Dallas gives me the opportunity to correct something I said earlier. In my unscripted remarks, I said to Dallas-based airlines performed at the top of the industry. We of course are based in Fort Worth here at American. So I should have said Dallas/Fort Worth-based airline and I apologize to Mayor Price and all of our friends in Fort Worth who remind me all the time. We are proud to be here at Fort Worth. So anyway, Dallas/Fort Worth-based airlines and Scott’s comments were about Dallas/Fort Worth-based pricing. All right, next.
Operator:
Okay. And we’ll go now to Joe DeNardi with Stifel.
Joe DeNardi:
Thanks. Good morning. Scott, on the strength of the other revenue line, the ancillary side, what’s driving that? Does that going to continue into 2015? And then as you combine the two frequent-flyer programs, do you think that the economics you’re getting from that from your credit card partners are reflected in kind of how strong that’s going to be on a combined platform?
Scott Kirby:
So some of what you’re seeing is improvement in the frequent flyer and in the deals we negotiate. That’s a lot of it. A lot of it is harmonizing policies. So for example, we have bag fees on the American Airlines network in Mexico now when we did in last year. So those items won’t continue to have the same kind of growth as we overlap when those events happened, and there is about bunch of those things. The biggest one is the frequent flyer program, which will already be overlapping in the first quarter, but a lot of those rolled out Mexico bags and other things rolled out throughout the year. So there will be some of that. More of the upside now will be driven from new initiatives and new programs. We have a lot going on with choice seats for example in how we’re selling seats on the airplane. And so those will continue to grow, but we had a step function increase up from the merger as you just consolidated and realize synergies from that. And those mostly are already in the books. And going forward, it will just be kind of core improvement that aren’t synergies but that are just things that apply to whole airline.
Joe DeNardi:
Okay, thank you.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And we’ll take our next question from Bob McAdoo with Imperial Capital.
Bob McAdoo:
Hi guys.
Doug Parker:
Hi Bob.
Bob McAdoo:
You’ve added quite a few Pacific routes out of Dallas recently. And it doesn’t show up as a problem area because maybe it’s the prior year the RASM was so low that even now the new stuff looks better. So can you just talk about how the spool-up of Pacific route out of Dallas works relative to other international routes? And when do we - do we really think if those things are profitable in the short run, does it take a year for those things to develop? Just give us some color on that, if you would, please.
Scott Kirby:
Sure. When we enter a new city in Asia, it typically takes longer to spool-up. Some of that is because we’re smaller there. And particularly when you enter a completely new city like we went into Seoul, Korea. When we’re going to start flying Dallas, Beijing the spool-up will be shorter, because we already fly to Beijing. That’s why the spool-up is shorter, but we typically think of an Asian route as taking a couple of years to spool-up. And in 2014, some of those new routes weren’t profitable at the time, though they were executing our forecasts and we felt actually really good about the start-ups that we had in 2014. If we look that today, I don’t have a specific forecast that goes route-by-route, but I’m pretty sure that with fuel prices where they are today, we’d expect all of our - even our Asian route to be profitable in 2015, but we felt really good about how all the routes have started. You’re right, they take a longer time to spool-up than other routes, but we felt really good. And you can look at our numbers. Asia is the one area that we’ve been outperforming the industry by a pretty wide margin for the past, for the full year last year. And so we’re making good progress. Some of that is because we started from a lower base and so we have more room to make progress, but we are making good progress and feel good about the trajectory that we’re on.
Bob McAdoo:
Are we getting close to the end of all the new Asian routes for a while. Are all the obvious getting about discovered?
Scott Kirby:
No. We are probably at the end of the new Dallas route, but we’ll still be looking and pursuing opportunities probably particularly out of Los Angeles.
Bob McAdoo:
Okay. Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Bob.
Operator:
And ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude the analysts’ portion of the question-and-answer session. We will now move to the media portion. [Operator Instructions] We’ll pause for just a moment to give everybody the opportunity to signal. [Operator Instructions] And we’ll go now to Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Good morning.
Doug Parker:
Hi, Mary Schlangenstein.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Thank you very much. Scott, you talked about some of the domestic markets where you said PRASM was under pressure because of increasing capacity. Beyond the four that you specifically mentioned, are there any others where you’re seeing a big impact, and are there any international markets where you’re specifically seeing an impact?
Scott Kirby:
What four did I mention?
Mary Schlangenstein:
You mentioned Philadelphia from Frontier and little bit Chicago, DCA and Love Field.
Scott Kirby:
There is not - okay. Yes, there is 15 markets and they are concentrated in, I’ve said those four cities. I think probably the other place that there is some significant growth is South Florida.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay. And I would assume that you’re working on ways to try to offset some of that, or what are you doing in response?
Scott Kirby:
We’re competing aggressively. We have a great product. We have great people at the airline. We have a great frequent flyer program. We are matching the fares with our low-cost competitors and we’re competing aggressively.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Great. All right, thank you.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Terry Maxon from Dallas Morning News.
Terry Maxon:
Guys let me ask the Fort Worth question, not whether you’ve offended Betsy Price, but are you - were you considering whether or not to move out of your current headquarters to a new building or perhaps remodeling, revamping your existing building?
Doug Parker:
Yes. We’re not basically far long at all, Terry. We again haven’t even made the decision that’s something we want to do. We’re studying the possibility as to what might be available, but we have an perfectly acceptable facility that we’re working in today. To the extent there is something that makes more sense we’ll - we want to at least look to see if that makes sense and that’s where we are. We are in the studying phase, certainly not in the announcement phase.
Terry Maxon:
All right. When do you think you might complete that study, first half of 2015 or…
Doug Parker:
It is not high on the integration timeline. So I don’t even know a date.
Terry Maxon:
Right. Thank you.
Operator:
And we’ll go now to David Koenig with The Associated Press.
David Koenig:
Hi guys. Derek talked about using cash invest in the airline and he mentioned that even before paying down debt and paying shareholders. Doug, I wondered to look at it another way, are you saying to passengers, hey, we’re improving the product and passenger should be happy about that instead of just getting a temporary lower fares because of cheaper fuel. Is that a fair characterization?
Doug Parker:
We’re not trying to ask our customers to be happy with anything. We think - indeed what our job is to go make sure we’re giving the best product we possibly can to our customers. We, in some areas, I think all airlines had underinvested through very difficult times, and we are using the profits we’re producing to invest in product that matters our customers. Most notably lie-flat seats, international Wi-Fi, improving the Admirals Clubs, improving the airport check-in experience, things that are really important to our customers, all of which take a lot of capital because we’re profitable we can do it now and things that airlines couldn’t do in the past. So that’s our first priority is ensuring we have a product that meets the standards of our customers, which are very high at American Airlines. And we have a little bit of catch-up to do. We’re doing that - we believe we will be leapfrogging our competitors shortly. And not to mention all the new aircrafts we’re bringing in to retire older airplanes. You put it all together and we are on our way to having a product that we believe will be as good or better as anyone in the sky and that’s our objective. So anyways - and pricing simply goes with demand as we keep saying. So when demand is strong, you see price move accordingly. When demand drops, you see pricing move accordingly.
David Koenig:
Okay. Thanks very much.
Doug Parker:
Thank you.
Operator:
And we’ll go now to Andrea Ahles with Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Andrea Ahles:
All right. So since I have a Fort Worth question at ask, I think I will ask a little bit about, could you expand a little bit more on the Wright Amendment effect, and just do you think you’re out of that promotional pricing aspect of the new routes that were introduced, are you seeing a more normalized airfares on those new routes that Southwest introduced that you’re competing against DFW?
Scott Kirby:
I don’t know, is the short answer. We haven’t really seen a change. It’s about what we expected when you have that much new capacity in markets. It’s going to put pressure on price. That’s just Econ 101 with supply curve moves that much it lowers the price. And it’s about what we expected. I haven’t really - we haven’t noticed any change one way or another in the recent past.
Andrea Ahles:
So how do you foresee rebanking? Is that more - do you think rebanking effect is just going to be more for the connecting traffic and not so much effecting your O&D traffic out of DFW?
Scott Kirby:
It will largely impact connecting traffic, yes.
Andrea Ahles:
Okay. Thank you.
Operator:
And we’ll go now to Dawn Gilbertson with Arizona Republic.
Dawn Gilbertson:
All right, good morning. I have a question about the storm and Super Bowl. How are you guys re-accommodating passengers whose flights were cancelled Monday, Tuesday and sometimes into Wednesday later in the week given sold-out flights to Phoenix?
Scott Kirby:
Dawn, I’m not sure I understand the question. Just in terms of Super Bowl preparations, I got to tell you that it’s an event that we’ve been working on for the last year. And so everything from preparing for really the biggest day in history of departures, the Monday following, we’re going to have remote check-in sites at a number of different places for passengers and also ability for passengers to check baggage. We’re going to make sure that we’ve got staffing that is beyond holiday and peak levels. And we think we’re as prepared as we can possibly be. In terms of flight cancellations and things like that, we run a really high completion factor so we don’t anticipate that that’s going to be an issue, especially out of Sky Harbor. And in terms of re-accommodations, the great news is that the Sky Harbor and the American Airlines is now connects to the biggest airline network in the world. And so if there are any disruptions or issues, we have many ways to get passengers out and back on their way.
Dawn Gilbertson:
I guess, well what I meant was the storms in the Northeast. If you’ve got patriots fans coming from Boston and they haven’t been able to fly yesterday afternoon, today and in some cases tomorrow, and you’re trying to rebook them to get to Phoenix. So you having to add extra flight since the flights that are already scheduled for Thursday and Friday and Saturday out here are full?
Scott Kirby:
Dawn, we take a look at that kind of stuff, but right now we’re anticipating that we’re through the mess by the 28th and back to normal.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, Dawn, I think we’re still in planning mode and we’ve got - we will have thousands of customers to try to get to their destination both to Phoenix and to everywhere. And it’s too early for us to tell what’s going to happen from the schedule for the next week [indiscernible] those customers.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Okay, thanks.
Doug Parker:
Thanks Dawn.
Operator:
And we’ll go now to Jeffrey Dastin with Thomson Reuters.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Thank you and hello. So would American consider announcing commercial service to Cuba, pending government approval like United has done from New York and Houston? And if so, what benefits might Cuba have for American?
Scott Kirby:
So we already - we currently fly 20 times a week with the charter program to Cuba. We obviously with the hub in Miami in particular, will serve Cuba on a scheduled flight basis when it’s allowed. We don’t have anything to announce today, but we will be anxious to start serving Cuba as soon as it’s legally allowed.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Great. And if I may follow-up separately. How crucial is a slot at Tokyo Haneda to American’s expansion in Asia?
Scott Kirby:
Well, it’s really important. Haneda is the preferred airport for customers flying to and from Tokyo. It’s the number one destination at Tokyo and Japan, this is the number one destination for us and it’s the preferred airport. And it’s important for us to get in there. It’s also important for our customers and that’s a valuable asset, a slot at the premier airport in Japan and to have it be used 10% of the time that it could be used, which is what Delta has used it is an inefficient use of that, scarce resource, and we will put it to much better use.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Thank you very much.
Operator:
And we’ll go now to Ely Portillo from Charlotte Observer.
Ely Portillo:
Hello, I just had a question about, now that you have the 787 coming in, and that’s part of the fleet. Does that change your thinking about what kind of flights might be possible from a hub like Charlotte internationally and how might that impact service going forward?
Scott Kirby:
The 787 and then the A350, when we get those two open up a new set of markets to us and a new set of economics. In the near-term, it’s not going to have any change in Charlotte.
Ely Portillo:
Got you. And just out of curiosity, does it come into Charlotte at any time in the near future just on a hub-to-hub flight?
Scott Kirby:
Not that I’m aware of. I don’t think so actually.
Ely Portillo:
Well darn. Thanks guys.
Scott Kirby:
You can travel to Dallas, Ely.
Ely Portillo:
Okay. Now I have an excuse. Thanks.
Doug Parker:
Dallas/Fort Worth that is.
Operator:
And we will take our final question from Ted Reed from The Street.
Doug Parker:
Hi Ted.
Ted Reed:
I also wanted to ask about 787 deployment, what do you have in mind for it? And I recall that Gerard Arpey once said it was going to be used New York/Heathrow. Is that still the case, or are you more looking at Asia, or new routes or existing routes or what?
Scott Kirby:
We don’t have anything to announce yet. It’s going to be a while before it starts flying commercially. It’s doing improving runs and then initial training runs with pilots and so it’s always before starts flying. When it does start flying, it’s going to initially fly domestically anyway to break the airplane in. So no announcement yet on the permanent international route that it will fly.
Ted Reed:
All right. Thank you.
Operator:
And ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any additional or closing remarks. End of Q&A
Doug Parker:
Well, thank you all very much. Just in closing again, we couldn’t be happy with the results and the outlook as if we hit those margin numbers that Derek suggested, we believe those will be leading amongst our large competitive peer group since we’re the largest airline in the world, we have higher margins. That means we’re the most profitable, which was one of our objectives. So we still have to go produce that, but it appears that we’re on our way and we’re excited about that and mostly excited about the great job our team has done. So thank you all very much for your interest, and look forward to continuing to produce record results as we move forward. Thank you.
Operator:
And ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s conference, and we do thank you for your participation.
Operator:
Good day, and welcome to the American Airlines Group Third Quarter 2014 Earnings Call. Today's conference call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] And now I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Daniel Cravens. Please go ahead, sir.
Daniel Cravens:
Thanks, Melissa, and welcome, everybody, to the American Airlines Group Third Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. Joining us on the call today is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Scott Kirby, our President; and Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room for the Q&A session is Robert Isom, our Chief Operating Officer; Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications; Bev Goulet, our Chief Integration Officer; Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer; and Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs.
We're going to start today's call with Doug, and he'll provide an overview of our financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter and provide some color on our guidance for the remainder of the year. Scott will then follow with commentary on the revenue environment and our operational performance. And then after we hear from those comments, we'll open the call for analysts questions and, lastly, questions from the media. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and cost, forecast of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements request -- or represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30. In addition, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as net profit and CASM, excluding unusual items. A reconciliation to those numbers -- to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, and that can also be found on our website at aa.com under the Investor Relations section. A webcast of the call will be archived on our website. The information that we're giving you today on the call is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us. And at this point, I'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO.
William Parker:
Thanks, Dan. And thank you, all, for being on. We are excited in American Airlines to report record results. For our third quarter, $1.2 billion, excluding special items, up 59% over the same quarter last year. It's now been -- since we merged US Airways and American last December, it's now been 3 quarters that we've reported, and each has been a record. We expect the fourth quarter of this year will also be the best in the history of American, and therefore, obviously expect full year 2014 will be our best year ever. All this is due to great work of the over 100,000 members of the American team. They're doing a wonderful job taking care of our customers and integrating our airlines. And importantly, they're coming together as one team to realize our collective goal of building the best airline in the world.
On the integration front, we've made great progress so far, and Scott will give you an update. But we still have much to do on bigger items like single operating certificate, and reservations migration will occur in 2015. But the great work by our team thus far gives us confidence that we're on the right track. So in summary, we're excited about these results and even more excited about the future. Thanks to our excellent and hard-working teams, American is well positioned for success in 2015 and beyond. I'll turn it over to Derek and then Scott, and then we'll get to questions.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Doug, and good afternoon, everyone. In our earnings release and the 10-Q filed earlier today, you will find information pertaining to our third quarter results. And as I've talked about in the last few quarters, please note that the GAAP results for our 2014 third quarter compare our post-merger performance to that of legacy AMR on a stand-alone basis, which makes the year-over-year comparisons not meaningful. Accordingly, for the third quarter of 2013, we have provided our financial results on a non-GAAP combined basis, which is the sum of American Airlines and US Airways. We believe this is the best way to review our quarterly financial results. Unless otherwise noted, all my comments will be based on the comparisons to the 2013 non-GAAP combined results.
For the third quarter 2014, the company recorded a record GAAP net profit of $942 million. This compares to a non-GAAP combined third quarter 2013 net profit of $505 million. Excluding net special charges, as Doug said, we reported a record net profit of $1.2 billion in the third quarter of 2014, representing a 59% improvement over our combined non-GAAP net profit of $771 million, excluding special charges, for the same period in 2013. With 735.2 million diluted shares outstanding, we reported earnings excluding special charges of $1.60 per diluted share in the third quarter of 2014. Our pretax margin, excluding net special charges, for the 2014 third quarter improved by 260 basis points year-over-year to 11%. Total capacity for the third quarter of 2014 was 69.1 billion ASMs, up 2% for the same period in 2013. Mainline capacity for the quarter was 61.9 billion ASMs, up 2.1%. Regional capacity for the third quarter was up 1% to 7.3 billion ASMs. In the third quarter, we did take delivery of 22 mainline aircraft and we retired 28 older aircraft, a combination of older 737s, 75s, 76s and MD-80s as we continue our fleet renewal program. In the fourth quarter of 2014, we plan to take delivery of 22 new mainline aircraft, while retiring an additional 14 aircraft. On the regional side, we retired 12 aircraft, all older ERJ-140s and took delivery of 16 aircraft, larger RJ -- CRJ-900 and Embraer 175s. For the remainder of 2014, the company expects to take delivery of 10 CRJ-900 aircraft as well as 6 Embraer 175 aircraft, which -- and we also expect to retire another 8 Embraer 140 aircraft. So continuing our upgauge from 50-seat regional jets to larger 76-seat regional jets. Third quarter total operating revenues were a record of $11.1 billion in 2014, up 4.4% for the same period last year on a 2% increase in system capacity. Passenger revenues for the third quarter of 2014 were $9.8 billion, up 3% year-over-year, with yields up 2.6%. Cargo revenues were up 7% in the third quarter of 2014 to $215 million due primarily to higher freight revenues. And as an aside -- as a side note, on Monday, we announced a significant integration milestone, as US Airways and American Airlines have officially combined operations under a single cargo airway bill. Other operating revenues were $1.2 billion, up 18%, primarily due to higher frequent flyer revenue driven by our affinity card deal with Citibank announced in late 2013. Versus third quarter of 2013, total passenger RASM was up 1% to a record $0.1412. Total RASM in the third quarter of 2014 was also a record for the third quarter at $0.1612, up 2.4% versus 2013, and Scott will go into more detail in his commentary. The airline's operating expenses, excluding special items, for the third quarter of 2014 were up $9.7 billion -- were $9.7 billion, up 1.6%. Mainline operating cost per ASM, excluding special items, was $0.1292, down 0.8% year-over-year, driven by a 2.1% increase in mainline ASMs. Salaries and benefit costs were up 4.8%, due primarily to the impact of merger-related labor contract cost increases. And our average mainline fuel price, including taxes for the third quarter, was $2.97 versus $3.03 in 2013. Excluding special items and fuel, our mainline cost per ASM was $0.0835, up 0.7% when compared to 2013. Regional operating cost per ASM, excluding special items and fuel, was $0.1552, which was 3.7% higher than 2013, primarily due to contractual rate increases under certain capacity purchase agreement. Excluding special items and fuel, our consolidated CASM was up 1.1% in the third quarter. We ended the quarter with $8.8 billion in total cash and investments, of which $875 million was restricted. The company also had an undrawn revolving credit facility of $1 billion. As of September 30, $725 million of our unrestricted cash balance was held in Venezuelan bolivars, valued at the weighted average applicable exchange rate of VEF 6.41 to the dollar.
William Parker:
Cash balance...
Derek Kerr:
Held in Venezuelan bolivars decreased $70 million from the last quarter balance, due primarily to $48 million in repatriations in the third quarter of 2014.
During the quarter, the company returned $185 million to shareholders through the repurchase of 113 million of common stock or 2.9 million shares through its shareholder purchase program and the payment of $72 million in quarterly dividends in August 2014. We also purchased 432,000 shares from its disputed claims reserve to satisfy certain tax obligations resulting from a bankruptcy-related distribution. Our treasury team has been busy lately, completing approximately $3.3 billion in financing transactions. Third quarter transactions include the issuance of $957 million principal amount of an enhanced trust certificate at a blended interest rate of 3.8% and the issuance of $750 million principal amount of a 7.5% senior unsecured note that is due in 2019. In early October, not included in our September 30 liquidity position, the company entered into a new credit facility consisting of a fully drawn $750 million term loan that matures in October 2021 and an undrawn $400 million revolving credit facility that matures in October 2019. Collateral for this new credit facility consists of certain slots, gates and route authorities. Also in early October, the company increased its existing $1 billion revolving credit facility by $400 million and extended the associated maturity date from June 2018 to October 2019. So we now currently have $1.8 billion in a revolving credit facility. These transactions came in at a blended rate of 4.1%, which has further reduced our overall cost of capital. Now turning to guidance. Since our last call, we have reduced our international capacity plans for the fourth quarter of 2014 and now expect full year overall system capacity to be up approximately 2.2%. Mainline is expected to be up approximately 2.4% in 2014, of which international capacity is expected to be up approximately 5% and domestic capacity up approximately 1%. Regional capacity in 2014 is planned to be up 0.6% year-over-year. So fourth quarter mainline ASMs are expected to be approximately 57.7 billion ASMs and regional capacity expected to be approximately 7.3 billion ASMs, consistent with our last guidance. We're still in the process of developing our 2015 budget. So formal ASM guidance for 2015 will come in the first quarter next year. At this time, we expect year-over-year scheduled capacity to be up approximately 2% to 3%, and 1.5 points of that growth is due to increasing gauge on our aircraft. While increasing gauge drives incremental capacity, we believe it is highly earnings accretive, as the additional seats on each aircraft come at low variable costs. Additionally, we have greater visibility and certainty about demand this winter than we do for the full year 2015. In this demand environment, we expect our first quarter 2015 scheduled capacity to be flat year-over-year despite the increase in gauge. First quarter actual capacity growth could be higher due to weather cancellations in 2014. As we move into the peak, second and third quarters, we have flexibility to make further capacity adjustments if the demand conditions warrant. For the full year 2014, we are still forecasting CASM, x special items and fuel, to be up 2% to 4% versus 2013. This is driven by the cost of new labor contracts, higher depreciation due to more owned versus leased aircraft, and higher maintenance cost due to engine overhauls, offset by lower aircraft rent and selling expenses. For the fourth quarter of 2014, we expect our CASM to be up 2% to 4%, mainline CASM to be up 2% to 4%. Regional CASM is forecasted to be flat to up approximately 2% in the fourth quarter of 2014. On our last call, we gave preliminary 2015 mainline CASM, excluding fuel and special items, guidance in the plus 1% to minus 1% range. Excluding the impact of any new labor deals, we are still forecasting 2015 mainline CASM, excluding fuel and special items, to be in the range of minus 1% to plus 1%. We will update this guidance if and when any new labor deals are ratified. Using the October 21 fuel curve, we are forecasting mainline fuel price to be in the range of $2.90 to $2.95 per gallon for the full year 2014. That translates into a fourth quarter in the range of $2.56 to $2.61 per gallon. Using the midpoints of the guidance we have provided, we expect our fourth quarter pretax margin to be between 10% and 12%. Looking at CapEx. Our focus continues to be on integrating the airlines, while also making important investment in our fleet, product and operations. We're forecasting total net cash CapEx to be approximately $3 billion in 2014. This includes non-aircraft CapEx of $725 million and net aircraft CapEx of $2.2 billion. So in summary, while we are still very early on our effort to integrate the airline, we continue to be extremely pleased with our record financial results achieved thus far. Of course, this exceptional financial performance wouldn't be possible without the outstanding efforts of our 100,000 employees. We have established a solid foundation and are building momentum as we progress toward our goal of restoring American to the world's greatest airline. And with that, I'll turn it over to Scott.
J. Kirby:
Thanks, Derek. I'd like to start by thanking all the people of American Airlines for the great job they continue doing operationally during the second quarter in spite of some difficult challenges. This quarter had its fair share of curveballs, including the Chicago ATC incident, but the team did a great job of keeping the airline and our customers running reliably. On the revenue front, our third quarter PRASM was up 1%. The revenue environment remained mostly strong throughout the quarter. We saw particular strength in our domestic network, with RASM up 6% year-over-year. Pacific RASM was up 5%, even in the face of significant capacity growth, including starting 2 new routes during the quarter at American Airlines. Atlantic RASM was down 2%, as industry capacity growth continued to exceed still growing demand. Excluding Venezuela, Latin RASM was down 5%, as South America continued, in the near term at least, to be challenged by both supply and demand issues.
We're still making solid progress on our integration efforts and are pleased with the progress thus far. Some of the recent integration highlights include reaching a tentative agreement with our flight attendants. We've welcomed 690 new pilots and over 2,200 flight attendants so far this year to the American Airlines team, re-banked the Miami hub in August. And the operating results have been great so far with both year-over-year and sequential improvement in our operating metrics like D-zero and A-14 [ph]. We've continued the colocation, rebranding and multiple product alignment projects. We launched a day of departure reciprocal upgrade program for AAdvantage and Dividend miles members. We reconfigured the first of our 777-200s with updated interiors, including lie-flat seats and WiFi. And we successfully completed 3 large projects with significant IT components. Fare class alignment, which sets the stage for a full res system migration next year. We completed the move to a single-revenue accounting system, and our cargo migration, as Derek mentioned earlier, was successfully completed. So we are now a single airline from a customer's perspective for cargo. I'm proud of the great job the AA team did on all these efforts. But I'd like to highlight cargo because it's an area that was challenging in some other mergers, but this integration went smoothly for our customers, was delivered on time, and the cargo IT and facility teams did this at the same they grew revenue 7% year-over-year. We also continue to be excited about our progress with important corporate accounts. We've seen a particular strength in New York from combining the 2 networks, and that helped us generate double-digit PRASM increases in New York during the third quarter. Consistent with what we've said previously, all of the work we're doing leaves us confident that we'll be able to meet or exceed our prior revenue -- our prior synergy guidance. Turning to the outlook going forward. We continue to feel quite good about the demand environment. During the third quarter, we saw a supply-driven weakness in the international arena. We've begun to take action to reduce our international capacity. In Latin America, we've cut 14% of our planned capacity in 4Q going from a 12% planned growth rate to a year-over-year reduction in capacity. And across the Atlantic, we've reduced capacity by over 6% from prior plan, going from an almost 5% planned growth rate to a 2% year-over-year reduction in capacity. Those changes help set the stage, we believe, for improving PRASM performance. But we do have a couple of known headwinds, namely Venezuela and the elimination of the Wright Amendment. As already discussed, Venezuela will have a 2 point negative impact on our system RASM this quarter. We continue to get questions about the Wright Amendment. And since it's topical, I'll go ahead and address it upfront. While we can't disclose the precise estimate for the impact of the Wright Amendment, we feel that our great frequent flyer program, great product, including first class, better frequency advantages in the important business market and the best employees in the airline business position us to compete and win. And while it's early, from October 13, when the Wright Amendment went away, through the end of October, we expect PRASM and the markets that have new nonstop competition from Love Field to be up 3%. So even though it's early, we're off to a good start in that competition. Even with the fourth quarter headwinds, we still expect nice growth in RASM domestically; essentially flat RASM across Atlantic; and flat RASM in Latin America, excluding Venezuela. We currently expect a small year-over-year decline in Pacific RASM during the off-peak fourth quarter, where we have 23% capacity growth. For the system, excluding Venezuela and assuming no meaningful impact that pops up from Ebola, we expect PRASM to be up 2% to 4%; but subtracting the 2 point Venezuela impact gets us to a system PRASM up an estimated 0% to 2%. In conclusion, we're very encouraged with the operating and integration results so far at American Airlines, and the demand environment remains strong.
William Parker:
Thanks, Derek. Thanks, Scott. One thing before questions, I just want to make a comment about a friend who's been on these calls with us for a very long time. I've been doing these calls -- these quarterly calls with airline investors since I was CFO of America West in '95, and so it's almost 20 years or almost 80 calls. And I think Ray Neidl was on every one of them. And today, it's not the case. Because we lost Ray this quarter. That's not necessarily bad, as I'm sure Ray is in a better place. But I do want to take a second and remember him. Before he was a sell-side analyst, he worked here at American. He loved the business, and he cared a lot about those of us that worked in it. And mostly, he was just a really good guy. So here's to Ray, a really good example to all of us. We'll miss him, and we were really glad to know him.
So with that said, we are ready for questions, operator.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Hunter Keay:
So Scott, as you sit here, about a year into the merger here, let's compare the American network with the US Airways network for a second. And you can tell me from a revenue and network perspective, what is easier for you to manage here now, given the size and scale of the network? And what is harder, given the complexity of the network?
J. Kirby:
Well, the networks are complementary, and so they really are stronger together than they were apart. A difference is at American -- American had much more capacity and competitive markets, in places like New York, Chicago and Los Angeles. And so for me, it's also been educational to learn how important product considerations are in some of those markets, and that's why you see -- saw American historically and see American today continuing to invest so much in our product in some markets like that, things like the A321 Transcon that has been quite successful for us. But there's really probably more similarities. I think that the best thing that happened really in the merger is -- one of the best things that happened is the ability to put 2 teams together and truly learn from the best of both. And one of the things that I think we have going for us is a culture throughout the airline but including here at headquarters, where people are genuine about trying to be part of one team. We're all part of the new American Airlines, and people have learned from each other. And there's just tons of examples in the commercial area and the operating areas, where we've taken a practice that was at American Airlines and applied it to US Airways or vice versa, and our results are improving. It's not always a straight line. Sometimes, when you make some of those changes, you take a little bit of a step back, but then you can catch up. But it's been just a fantastic environment, and it's nice to be part of a company where you've got, for the most part, 100,000 people working together, and you're seeing it in our results. And I think you'll see -- continue to see us accelerating as we move through 2015.
Hunter Keay:
Okay. And as you think about next year, with regard to some of the incremental cost headwinds you're facing from the labor contracts, which is clearly going to drive PRASM of at least a point or 2. But you also have revenue synergies pooling up here. It looks like your -- the margin gap between you and Delta is almost going to be de minimis in the fourth quarter already with was a really, really strong pretax margin guide. You said meet or exceed the original revenue synergy expectations in your prepared remarks. I mean, given consideration to some inevitable cost creep and the revenue synergies, do you see yourself -- with industry-leading pretax margins amongst reasonable competitors, and we'll call them the big 4 airlines here in the U.S., do you see yourself with industry-leading pretax margins by the time you get to the end of next year?
J. Kirby:
Well, we've got some good competition in that group, and quite a few of them are doing a really good job right now. But yes, I think we're going to lead the industry. We have a lot of work left to do -- to do it and to prove it, and we've got some big test next year, as Doug alluded to it, single operating certificate and getting to a single reservation system. But my personal view is that we're going to be successful and that we are going to have industry-leading margins before too much longer.
William Parker:
Yes, and that's certainly the goal, Hunter. I mean, we've said out of the box that if we're going to be -- if we're the largest airline in the world, we should be the most profitable, that doesn't mean just -- that also means profit margins, not just absolute profit.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Michael Linenberg:
A couple here. I guess, maybe I'll just throw it at Scott. In the past, I mean, you've -- Scott, you've laid out a real good reason how you think about fuel hedging and sort of the inverse -- or not inverse but the correlation between GDP and movement in fuel and ways to offset it and not pay the premiums. Where have you come out on currency hedging? I mean, I realize it's sort of a year or 2, a much bigger platform, you preside over the global network. I mean, does it make sense for American to ultimately become more involved as a currency hedge or not? And why?
J. Kirby:
I don't think I at least have a terribly strong view on this. The exposure is much, much smaller on currency. For one thing, we have expenses in almost all the currencies that we have exposure to, though our revenue exposure generally exceeds our expense exposure. And the volatility of currencies is just not nearly the same as it is in oil and fuel. So -- but it's also cheaper to hedge. I mean, it's a lot less expensive, you can -- in a much more straightforward way -- hedge without having the same kind of friction cost. So I don't know that we've spent a lot of time thinking about it. It's probably not a big idea for us either up or down, and so we just haven't spent a lot of time debating the issue internally.
Michael Linenberg:
And then just sort of a second that's somewhat related, the decline in the exposure -- or I should say the dollars that were stuck in Venezuela. The repatriation, what -- the $71 million that came back, what periods does that reflect? Is that just a few months? Is that 2013? It looked like there was an exchange rate for a more recent period. Can you just give a little bit more color on that?
J. Kirby:
I believe that was January of 2013. I'm looking at Derek. I think it's '14.
Derek Kerr:
January...
J. Kirby:
'14?
Derek Kerr:
Yes, it was January of 2014 with the return.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay. Just 1 month? Is that what that represents?
Derek Kerr:
It was 2 months. We got a little bit in January. A little bit in February.
Operator:
And our next question is from Julie Yates with Crédit Suisse.
Julie Yates:
Just wanted to ask on labor. Can you guys walk us through the time line for the negotiations with the flight attendants and the timing of the ratification on the tentative agreement and then when you might expect to provide the pilots a proposal?
William Parker:
Steve?
Stephen Johnson:
We thought that the negotiation with the flight attendants is that we've agreed -- that tentative agreement a few weeks ago. That agreement is out for ratification now. The flight attendants are voting now, and we are advised that we'll get a -- there will be a result on November 9 or 10. We expect to begin negotiations in earnest with the pilots right after that. We've discussed making a counterproposal to the pilots on the 10th or 11th of November, and we've extended the deadline for that negotiation -- the arbitration provisions to that negotiation out into November at this point.
Julie Yates:
Okay. And then just to clarify, is there anything at all for the higher contracts included in the negative 1% to 1%? I think there was a little confusion on what was included and what was not included in that.
Derek Kerr:
No, Julie. This is Derek. There is -- it is not included at all. There's no -- neither the flight attendant or the pilot increase would be included in that number. And once they get ratified, we will adjust the numbers to reflect the 2 -- the contracts if they get ratified.
Julie Yates:
Okay. Is there any range you can provide us of potential outcomes?
Derek Kerr:
Not at this point in time.
Operator:
Our next question is from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie Baker:
Scott, as we think about the future of supply discipline, can you remind us -- I'm fairly certain of the answer, but have the minimum fleet counts been entirely stripped from today's pilot contract? And has there been any discussion about potentially putting something like that back into the next contract?
J. Kirby:
Yes. No, there are no more minimum fleet restrictions. And no, no there have been no discussions about putting that in.
Jamie Baker:
And I assume management would resist mightily if any such effort was undertaken? I know you don't like to negotiate in public but...
William Parker:
No one's asked, Jamie. So...
Jamie Baker:
Okay, all right. Fair enough. Second question, when your predecessor company, Doug, reached its landmark aircraft order. I guess, that was Paris 2011, so about the time Hunter Keay was still driving with a permit. Oil was at $106 a barrel and jet fuel was about $0.75 a gallon higher than where it is today. And look, I know all of this can change, but it does call into question whether you inherited purchase economics through the merger that are simply inconsistent with the pricing that you might be seeing for aircraft today. Any thought on that?
William Parker:
Well, one, if that's true, it's irrelevant because we have the contracts, and we need to meet them. I don't think it's true, however. We haven't -- I haven't bothered to go back and look at the economics because, as I say, the airplanes are coming, and I'm happy they're coming. But my guess is -- I mean, look, the airplanes that are leaving this fleet are very fuel inefficient, one. So I think the -- again, we can maybe go through this for you, Jamie, if it would make you feel any better. But -- so I think the economics will still bear out, but it's the right economic decision on a pure operating cost basis. But on top of that, those airplanes are not customer friendly, and the airplanes that are coming in are customer friendly. And it makes a dramatic difference in our product, and we're happy that they're coming in. We think it's a good use of our capital and we think it's positive NPV, good for our investors.
Operator:
And our next question is from John Godyn with Morgan Stanley.
John Godyn:
Doug, I wanted to ask a bit of a bigger-picture question. Years ago, you were one of the few people that envisioned the structure of the industry today. Now as we look out going forward, and I'm really not getting at anything in the near term or anything of that nature, but as we look out forward in the years to come, do you think there's more consolidation in front of us? I mean, it's been very obviously successful. Could there be more deals?
William Parker:
Oh man, we're working on integrating this one. But look, as posed, I'm happy to just speculate into what may lie years ahead. I do believe the U.S. industry is largely mature, and it's settling into a highly competitive but more mature structure, where I don't see a tremendous amount of consolidation in the U.S., if any. Abroad, I think there's all sorts of possibilities. And certainly, if indeed foreign ownership laws change over time, I think there's all sorts of possibilities to do the kind of things that have been done in the United States and create more utility for people. But that's -- again, I want to be careful to caveat all that in the way the question was asked, which is years ahead. And we're not working on anything like that. And I don't know that anyone else is. But it's -- certainly what we've seen happen here proves, that customers value airlines that can take them all over the globe. And there are certain -- just due to foreign ownership laws, there are parts of the globe that no airline -- that none of us can take each other. We get around it through alliances, but it's not as efficient as having one airline who can do all those things.
John Godyn:
Got it. And I wanted to -- just on a different topic, I have 2 quick clarifications. Scott, on the PRASM, you sort of gave PRASM guidance x Venezuela. Could you just remind us what the Venezuela impact looks like into 2015 in the first and second quarter?
J. Kirby:
Okay. Well, just to be clear, I gave PRASM guidance both x Venezuela and then including Venezuela. So it's 2 to 4 at a system level x Venezuela, flat to up 2 including Venezuela impact. And for the first quarter of next year, I think we think the number is about 0.4 points, and it's about 0.3 points next year second quarter, so much smaller impact compared to where we are today.
John Godyn:
And that's what I was getting at, very helpful. And then just the last clarification on the questions about labor. In the past, I think the team has made some statements about profit sharing not being on the table. I just wanted to make sure that, that's still the case. Or has that changed?
William Parker:
Well, the contract we had -- the tentative agreement that our flight attendants are voting on has in it higher rates of pay than our other large -- the other large airlines, Delta, United, we compete against, which we are very proud to have on the table. It doesn't have profit sharing. But again, we think that's a better way to efficiently pay our people who are out there doing a fantastic job is to give them higher rates of pay and not have them have variable compensation. That will come up in each of our contracts, I'm sure. So we'll see. But it's certainly what we think; it's a much better way to compensate people than to go back to essentially what was the concessionary way of having contracts for employees that was "We can't afford to pay you what we'd like to pay. So if we happen to make profits, we'll pay you more." We're in a position now where we believe the right way -- that we can do better than that and that we can give our team higher rates of pay and not leave them wondering whether or not they're going to receive that pay based on the company's profits or not.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Helane Becker with Cowen and Company.
Helane Becker:
By the way, Doug, that was a nice thing to say about Ray.
William Parker:
Oh, thank you, Helane. You've also, I think, been on all 80 of those calls.
Helane Becker:
So this is my question
William Parker:
Scott?
J. Kirby:
We don't plan to grow capacity because fuel price has declined, and we've been in this industry long enough to know that, that can turn in a hurry. And so going and buying 20-year life assets based on today's fuel price is probably not the best decision to make. So we don't plan to do anything about increasing capacity just because fuel prices declined in the near term. I think that will always go to the bottom line. And in the longer term, who knows where fuel is? But in the near term, it will just go straight to the bottom line.
Helane Becker:
Just as a follow-up to that, do you have the ability to increase the share repurchase program with the free cash flow generated by -- or with the cost savings or free cash flow generated by that saving?
William Parker:
Well, Helane, we still have the program we've announced in place. And to expand that would simply require going and asking our board for the approval to do that, but we would announce that if indeed that happened. We need to get to this first one first, though.
Operator:
Our next question is from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Wanted to ask you a question on a very tiny, tiny, tiny piece of your business, which is Venezuela. So I think if I backtrack what you've said previously, it was roughly 4x your system unit revenue, and you've cut capacity there 80% and you've switched to 100% USD sales. So my question is, based on that capacity cut and the switch to USD sales, how much is unit revenue down in Venezuela now?
J. Kirby:
It was more than that. It was more like 6x to 8x system capacity. But in the third quarter, Venezuela RASM was down 37% on an 81% reduction in capacity. And we're estimating in the fourth quarter, it will be down 49% on an 82% reduction in capacity.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Let me ask you, when do you think about -- and I think there have been some press reports suggesting maybe you brought back a flight or 2. But even on a down 50, if it was 6x to 8x as large, it's probably a fairly profitable market or/very profitable market. So why not bring capacity back? And how do you see this playing out ultimately?
J. Kirby:
Our capacity there is dependent on how much demand is really available, and so we'll adjust the capacity over time as demand adjusts. But in last year, 91% of our sales were in Venezuelan bolivars, and so we've been pleased with the shift to U.S. dollars. But when you think about that, we've had an 82% reduction in capacity and a 50% reduction in demand. So basically, we've accommodated the demand that used to be sold in Venezuelan -- or I mean, U.S. dollars and maybe a little bit more -- a little of the Venezuelan demand has shifted to U.S. dollars. But mostly at the moment, we're flying an amount that can be accommodated by sales in U.S. dollars, and we'll adjust it if there's opportunity to adjust it going forward. Right now, we think we'll either -- we're at or near the same level. Even today, while the RASM numbers are good, the RASM on that airplane, I think in the fourth quarter, 40% of that is really going to be Venezuelan dollars because it's tickets that were sold a year ago. So the actual RASM performance is not necessarily reflective of the real sales that are going on right now because we're still burning off the tickets that were sold in Venezuelan dollars over a year ago.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Savanthi Syth:
Just on the regional front. What -- have you kind of changed your thinking on the regional fleet now that you've been able to look at both size and all the different players? And I think you have quite a bit left in your scope to increase larger regional jets, and I was just kind of wondering where you're thinking was on that front.
J. Kirby:
Sure. Like the rest of the industry, we are migrating our regionals to higher-gauge aircraft. The real purpose of the regional flying is to feed the mainline. It's pretty -- the statistics are actually somewhat remarkable. It's about 50% of our departures, but it's only 11% of our ASM. 2/3 of the customers on those planes are connecting onto other aircraft and really supporting the growth of the mainline. So we're in an evolution that's going to take years to finish of giving -- of getting rid of left-on smaller-sized aircraft and moving towards larger aircraft, but we're in the midst of that. We've got aircraft orders for 90 large regional jets, all -- some of which are already starting to come, and which will come over the next year or 2, the majority of those. But we're in that kind of long-term migration. It's similar to what's happening in Delta and United, as we both move -- as we all move up the curve on size on regional jets. For what it's worth, we're also moving up the curve on size on mainline aircraft, where you see us taking delivery of almost all A321s, for example. And as airfares have declined in the United States, it's important to be able to fly big airplanes with as many customers as possible on them. So we're flying the largest aircraft; in almost all cases, the largest aircraft in each class.
Savanthi Syth:
How much of this has benefited kind of margins this year? And I'm trying to figure out just from a year-over-year contribution. Is that still -- a lot of it yet to help margins going forward? Or I mean, are we halfway through that? Or...
J. Kirby:
I think that will -- I don't have a number to give you. But I think that it has improved margins and it will continue to improve margins, replacing 3 50-seat regional jets with 2 large regional jets flying 76 to 80 seats is much better economics. And so we're probably in the third or fourth inning of that at American Airlines, a little behind where Delta, Delta in particular, is.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research.
Daniel McKenzie:
Thanks for the commentary on meeting or exceeding merger synergies. But setting those aside, I'm wondering if you can talk about hub structure optimization? And specifically, following up on the gate swap that United-American did earlier this year at Chicago and Los Angeles, I wonder why it wouldn't make sense to do a gate swap perhaps on a much larger scale. And I guess, what I'm -- what was intriguing about the May transaction, just looking at DOT revenue data, is the extent to which American's yields at Chicago were underperforming the system, ditto for United at Los Angeles. So it seemed like a win-win for both airlines. And I'm just wondering what's the flaw to that logic or potential impediments to pursuing that kind of an asset swap?
J. Kirby:
Well, in the near term, I certainly don't think you should expect -- or it's not even the near term, longer term. We're happy with all the hubs that we have. They're complementary to each other, and they're all going to be profitable this year. And the hubs that are doing the best in terms of performance improvement are actually the hubs with the most competitive overlaps, so Chicago, New York and Los Angeles, where really putting the 2 networks together and creating more scope and scale has been the most beneficial in those hubs. And in Chicago, in particular, we're looking forward to re-banking the hub in March of next year, which we think will create even more benefits there.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Joe DeNardi with Stifel.
Joseph DeNardi:
Just on the Atlantic side, I'm just wondering if you could maybe remind us what your plans are for capacity there over the winter and if there's anything you can do to kind of improve the performance there. Or is it just a function of excess capacity?
J. Kirby:
I believe our plans, from memory, are down about 2% for capacity for the fourth and first quarter across the Atlantic. So we've taken a really proactive approach to really what was a supply issue as opposed to demand issue. Demand still remains pretty strong there. We have an awful lot of tactical initiatives going on with our partners across Atlantic, British Airways, Iberia and Finnair, and we're starting to see improved results. I think we'll continue to see improved results. But from a capacity perspective, I think we're pretty set on what we're going to fly this winter.
Joseph DeNardi:
Okay. And then just with the breakdown, I think you talked about system capacity next year. Could you just break that out between domestic and international? I may have missed it.
J. Kirby:
I'm looking at Derek.
Derek Kerr:
Oh, yes, okay. 2% to 3% was the total system. Domestic is -- they're both -- let's see here, domestic is about 1% to 2%. International, 1% to 2%. Regional -- so domestic is about -- is 2% to 3% and regional -- and international is about -- sorry, I'm just pulling it up -- 2% to 3%. So they're both about in the same category. So I would say international, up 2% to 3%; domestic, 2% to 3%; system, 2% to 3%...
J. Kirby:
And remember that 1.5 of that is driven by increase in gauge on aircraft, in particular, the 737-800s going from 150 to 160 seats and the 777-200 also going from 247 to 289 seats.
Operator:
We'll take a question from David Fintzen with Barclays.
David Fintzen:
Just a quick follow-up on the 2% to 3%, just to be clear, is that the scheduled growth? Or is that inclusive of overlapping all the weather impact from '14?
J. Kirby:
Scheduled.
Derek Kerr:
The scheduled.
David Fintzen:
Scheduled. Okay. And just with some of the international changes to the plan, is that at all feeding into some of your domestic priorities or into some of your domestic hubs in terms of how you're moving things around? Or are those 2 sort of separate issues?
J. Kirby:
Well, I mean, it's blended network. We manage them as if it's one network. But I don't think it's -- any of that is causing material changes to the domestic flying that we're doing.
David Fintzen:
Okay. And then obviously, a lot of the international is around the entities where you're large. Pacific is one where you're much smaller than your peers. I mean, with all the capacity in Pacific at an industry level getting worse through the rest of the year, how is the thought process around strategic investments in that entity looking versus a year ago or so?
J. Kirby:
Well, it's strategic, and it's doing really well for us. We've outperformed the industry every quarter this year across the Pacific. That is in spite of the fact that we're growing capacity faster than everyone else. So we're really pleased with the trajectory that we're on. We know we have a long way to go. But the kinds of things we've been doing are working well from our perspective. And the Pacific, in particular, will benefit from the reconfiguration of the 777s, so we feel really good about where we are. We're starting way behind. So while we have a higher percentage of growth rate compared to all the capacity across the Pacific, it's still relatively small. And when we add service into a place like Hong Kong, which we added this summer, that is effectively all new customers for us, unlike when you're flying to -- we've added service to São Paulo or to Kansas City. We're already carrying some of that traffic, and so some of that is cannibalizing off of ourselves onto our new flights. We're flying to Asia, and almost all of those passengers are incremental to American Airlines. So we've been pleased with how we're doing in the Pacific. We know we've got a long way to go to get where we want to be, but we're on a very good trajectory there.
Operator:
We will now take questions from the media. [Operator Instructions] We'll take the first question from Ely Portillo with the Charlotte Observer.
Ely Portillo:
I was wondering if you could give some perspective about how you're looking at allocating trans-Atlantic capacity between your East Coast hubs moving forward. And of course, with the Charlotte focus, whether the 4 new seasonal flights that you started this year are expected to continue.
J. Kirby:
Well, conceptually, we look at it purely based on profitability. If it's profitable, we'll continue to fly. If we think there's a profitable opportunity, we'll give it a shot. And while we haven't finalized our plans for next year, Charlotte did -- some of the new Charlotte routes did underperform our expectations. So we start with that framework as we look at adding big capacity for next summer.
Ely Portillo:
And can you give any specifics yet about whether you expect to definitely cut some of those new routes or whether allocating more capacity to new places like Miami-Frankfurt could have an effect of reducing some of the existing service here?
J. Kirby:
We don't have any specifics to announce today.
William Parker:
But to be clear, I mean, it's not -- adding Miami-Frankfurt doesn't preclude us from doing something in Charlotte.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our next question from Jeffrey Dastin with Thomson Reuters.
Jeffrey Dastin:
Have you reconsidered a spinoff of Envoy Air?
William Parker:
That's not under consideration at this time. No.
Operator:
We'll take the next question from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Scott, can you talk just a little bit more about the international capacity situation and what you're seeing from others in the market? I mean, you guys, this is your second trim on capacity. Are you seeing anybody else contribute to that? Or just kind of lay out what's happening -- what's been happening.
William Parker:
Well, we manage our capacity independent of what the others do and do what's right for American Airlines. And this is, by the way, is only -- the numbers I've told you today are the same numbers that we announced the last time we talked about this, although we may not have had specifics at the time. But we haven't done 2 cuts at it. But it's one cut, and we did what we thought was right across the Atlantic and Latin America. I think if you look at the results that we're going to put out this winter compared to other airlines, it's going to turn out to have been a good decision for us. We haven't seen much capacity cuts from other carriers. In Latin America, the Pacific and the Atlantic, close to 10% capacity growth across the winter, and demand is just not growing 10%. And so results for most airlines are going to continue to be pressured to what -- compared what they otherwise would be, just because supply is growing in excess of demand. But we're comfortable with what we've done and doing the right thing for American Airlines.
Mary Schlangenstein:
Okay. And what's the status of the talks with the Envoy pilots? Are they -- are you having talks at all?
Stephen Johnson:
No, not now. Actually, we had 3 highly publicized sets of talks with the Envoy pilots. Those ended a couple of months ago, Mary. I can't remember the exact date. But we haven't started new talks with them at this point.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from David Koenig with The Associated Press.
David Koenig:
I'm going to direct this to Scott. Whoever feels like answering, please do. And Scott, if I heard you correctly, you said to Helane Becker that you were not going to increase capacity because of lower fuel prices because those prices could turn around, right? And that the savings from -- I think you said the savings from the lower fuel prices would go straight to the bottom line. My question is does that mean that you also will not reduce fares to pass along some of the fuel savings that you're seeing?
J. Kirby:
Airfares remain a great bargain and fares are very low, down significantly in real terms in the last 20 to 30 years, down significantly as a percentage of GDP in the United States and a great bargain compared to almost any other good that you consider. When I get on a flight and go to New York, I think half the people on the airplane pay less for the round-trip ticket than I pay for my hotel room when I get to New York. So air travel remains a great bargain. We'll continue to keep it a great bargain for customers. But in a strong demand environment, we don't have plans to go out and just proactively cut fares.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Dawn Gilbertson with Arizona Republic.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Doug, at the top of the call, you mentioned the big merger hurdles that are coming next year. Can you give us an update on when you plan to combine the frequent flyer program and the res systems, and you or Scott, let us know what, if anything, could change that timetable?
William Parker:
Yes. I'm going to turn it over to Bev Goulet, our Chief Integration Officer, to give you the -- what our timelines are, and then we'll come back on what might change it. But we don't...
Beverly Goulet:
Thanks, Doug. The frequent flyer merger is intended in the second quarter of 2015. Res system will follow in the back half of the year, probably towards the back of the year.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Any specifics -- in terms of the second quarter, any month you're targeting on the frequent flyer merger?
Beverly Goulet:
No, we don't have a firm date on that yet.
William Parker:
And Dawn, as to what might cause that to push, if we feel we're not ready. The last thing we want to do is push forward just because we've -- and not do it right. We're being very careful to make sure we're doing everything we can to make sure we do it as well as possible. So if we're not ready, we won't go. But we think that's -- the dates Bev just gave you are when we believe we will be ready.
Dawn Gilbertson:
Can I ask one follow-up question unrelated? I haven't talked to you since you guys decided against renewing the naming rights for the US Airways, I believe, next year. They have to -- you have to pay till October 15 unless they find a new sponsor. Are you guys thinking you're going to have to pay that through October of 2015. Or what's your sense of where they are on that?
William Parker:
Yes. We don't know. I mean, you have to ask, I guess, the Suns that. So we don't know where they are. Dawn, we're happy to if that's where it ends up. The situation there, of course, is just one where American Airlines already has 2 arenas, and that one was expiring so it was the easiest one to let go. And we're working really -- it's a great relationship that we've had for a long time with the organization. So we wanted to give them all the time they could to go find someone else. It's a great asset. My guess is they will find someone and they won't have any trouble whatsoever doing so. And -- but as to whether we end up paying the remaining term or not is -- it's up to whether or not they've decide they want to put someone else's name on there sooner than that.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our question from Andrea Ahles with Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Andrea Ahles:
So I was listening to another call before I hopped. And so if you've already talked about this, I apologize, but my editors were asking me to ask the obligatory Ebola question, if you are seeing any impact at all on bookings from Ebola out of -- particularly out of your DFW hub?
J. Kirby:
You didn't miss anything. We have not been asked that. I thought we were going to get off without that. We have not seen any meaningful impact. If you've followed us and the airline industry over the years, we sometimes have very short-term impacts from the headlines. And so on the day after the congressional hearings last week, when there was a media frenzy around it, we saw, I think, a measurable impact for 1 day, and then bookings just snapped back to normal. So really, no impact. And I hope that there are no more cases in the United States or really anywhere, and that this gets resolved quickly and that it continues to have no impact.
Andrea Ahles:
So then I'm going to ask my actually more official airline question now that I got the Ebola one out of the way. Can you talk a little about the re-banking process for DFW? And now that you've already done the Miami hub, how do you see that working out for you? And how do you sort of see that being implemented at DFW? Are you going to hire more staff to accommodate the re-banking process, things like that?
William Parker:
Well, it's going great in Miami so far. You may not have been on, but in my prepared remarks I talked about Miami. And the team in Miami has done -- has set a very high bar for our teams in Dallas and Chicago to get over, and I think that they'll succeed. But our operating results have actually improved on both a year-over-year basis and a sequential basis, so from before to after putting the re-banking in. We do have to hire more people to accommodate it. But we generate higher revenues as a result of that, and I'm really proud of the job that the team has done in Miami. Already, the teams in Dallas and Chicago are working hard on it, and I'm confident that they're going to do equally well when their turn at the plate comes in March.
Operator:
That concludes today's question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back to today's speakers for any closing or additional remarks.
William Parker:
Thank you all very much for your time. We really appreciate it. If you have any further questions, just reach out and let us know. Thanks a lot. Bye.
Operator:
This concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation.
Executives:
Daniel Cravens - William Douglas Parker - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Derek J. Kerr - Chief Financial Officer, Principal Accounting Officer and Executive Vice President J. Scott Kirby - President Maya Leibman - Chief Information Officer and Senior Vice President Robert D. Isom - Chief Operating Officer and Executive Vice President
Analysts:
Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division Jamie N. Baker - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research, LLC Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore Partners Inc., Research Division Helane R. Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division Daniel McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated John D. Godyn - Morgan Stanley, Research Division Joseph W. DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division Savanthi Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division Thomas Kim - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division Bob McAdoo - Imperial Capital, LLC, Research Division Darryl Genovesi - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division
Operator:
Good day, and welcome to the American Airlines Group Second Quarter 2014 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] And now I'd like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Daniel Cravens.
Daniel Cravens:
Thanks, Wendy, and welcome, everybody, to the American Airlines Second Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. In the room with us today for the call is Doug Parker, our Chairman and CEO; Scott Kirby, President; Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. And also in the room for the Q&A session is Robert Isom, our Chief Operating Officer; Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications; Bev Goulet, our Chief Integration Officer; Maya Leibman, our Chief Information Officer; and Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs. Like we normally do, we're going to start the call today with Doug, and he'll provide an overview of our financial results; Derek will then walk through the details in the quarter and provide some color and a guidance for the remainder of the year; Scott will then follow with commentary on the revenue environment and our operational performance; and then after we hear from those comments, we'll open the call for analysts' questions and then lastly questions from the media. But before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future events, our future revenues and cost, forecast for capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release issued this morning and our Form 10-Q that was also issued this morning for the quarter ended June 30. In addition, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures on the call, such as net profit and CASM excluding unusual items. A reconciliation to those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, and that can be found on our website on aa.com under the More About American Investor Relations section. The webcast of this call will also be archived on the website and the information that we're giving you today on the call is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us. And at this point, I'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Mr. Doug Parker.
William Douglas Parker:
Thank you, Dan. Thanks, everyone, for being on. This is a great day for American Airlines. We announced our second quarter financial results, as Dan said. A profit of $1.5 billion, excluding special charges. That's the best financial performance for any quarter in the long and proud history of American Airlines and by a wide margin. These results are due to the great work of our 100,000-plus team members who are coming together really well and doing a great job of taking care of our customers, and I want to be sure and thank all of them and congratulate all of them for these results. So -- and then in addition to announcing our record earnings today, we announced a capital deployment program. The program includes over $2.8 billion in debt and aircraft lease payments, a $1 billion share repurchase plan, a quarterly cash dividend to shareholders and $600 million of pension contributions in 2014 beyond the required contribution. As part of the program, our Board of Directors declared a cash dividend of $0.10 per share. This is the first cash dividend paid to American shareholders since 1980, and I think it's further evidence of a transformation underway at our airline and also within our industry. So as I said, this is a great day for us. It's sometimes hard to remember that just less than 8 months ago, American was in bankruptcy and getting ready to emerge from bankruptcy through our merger with US Airways. Yet today, here we are reporting record profits, prepaying debt, making additional pension contributions and declaring dividends to shareholders. We are really proud of our team and what they've accomplished by working together in a very short period of time. We're not done. There's a tremendous amount of work ahead, as we all know. And -- but what we do know is this performance is evidence that we're on the right track, and it gives us confidence as we move forward. And we are very much looking forward to continue to work together to restore American Airlines as the greatest airline in the world, and we're very happy to have -- to be on this track and to report these results. So with that said, I'll turn it over to Derek and Scott.
Derek J. Kerr:
All right. Thanks, Doug. Good afternoon, everyone. In our earnings release and the 10-Q filed earlier today, you'll find information pertaining to our second quarter results. And as we talked about last quarter, please note that the GAAP results for the second quarter shown today compare our post-merger performance to that of legacy AMR Corp. on a stand-alone basis, and this makes the year-over-year comparisons not meaningful. As such, for the second quarter 2013, we have provided our financial results on a non-GAAP combined basis, which is the sum of American Airlines' and US Airways' results for the period. We believe this is the best way to review our quarterly financial results. Unless otherwise noted, all my comments will be based on the comparison to the 2013 non-GAAP-combined results, which can be found in the press release tables under the heading American Airlines Group Non-GAAP Combined Consolidated Statement of Operations. As Doug said, for the quarter, the company recorded a GAAP record -- record GAAP net profit of $864 million. This compares non-GAAP combined second quarter 2013 net profit of $220 million. Excluding net special charges, we reported a record net profit of $1.5 billion in the second quarter of 2014. This represents 114% improvement over the combined non-GAAP net profit, excluding special charges of $681 million for the same period in 2013. Using 734.8 million diluted shares outstanding, we reported earnings, excluding special charges, of $1.98 per diluted share for the second quarter; and our pretax margin, excluding net special charges, improved by 540 basis points year-over-year to 12.8%. Total capacity for the second quarter of 2014 was 68.1 billion ASMs, up 3.1% for the same period in 2013. Mainline capacity for the quarter was 61 billion ASMs, up 3.5%. Regional capacity for the quarter was down 0.4% to 7.09 billion ASMs. In the second quarter, we took delivery of 21 mainline aircraft and we retired 14 aircraft. We do plan to retire additional 54 aircraft, while taking 43 more new mainline aircraft for the remainder of 2014. On the regional side, we retired 14 aircraft and took delivery of 11. For the remainder of the year the company expects to take delivery of 20 CRJ9 aircraft at its wholly-owned subsidiary, PSA Airlines, as well as 12 Embraer 175 aircraft to be operated under a capacity purchase agreement with Republic. We also expect to retire another 24 Embraer 140 aircraft by the end of the year. Second quarter total operating revenues were a record $11.4 billion, up 10.2% for the same period last year on a 3.1% increase in system capacity. Passenger revenues for the quarter were $9.9 billion, up 9.2% year-over-year, with yields up 6.5%. Cargo revenues were up 8.3% to $221 million due primarily to higher fuel -- freight volumes. Other operating revenues were $1.2 billion, up 20% year-over-year due to higher frequent flyer revenue, driven principally by our affinity card deal with Citibank announced in late 2013. First, in the second quarter 2013, total PRASM was up 5.9% in the second quarter of 2014 to a record $0.1457. Total RASM in the second quarter was also a record at $0.1668, up 6.9% versus 2013, and Scott will go into more detail about the revenue performance. The Airlines' operating expenses, excluding special items for the second quarter of 2014, were $9.7 billion, up 4.7% year-over-year. Mainline operating cost per ASM, excluding special items, was $0.1319, up 1.2% year-over-year due principally to higher salaries and benefit expense. Salaries and benefit costs were up 10.2% due primarily to the impact of merger-related labor contract cost increases. Our average mainline fuel price, including taxes and hedges for the second quarter of 2014, was $3.02 per gallon versus $2.98 per gallon in the second quarter of 2013. During the quarter, the company monetized its remaining fuel hedges at a Brent equivalent price of $111 per barrel. This transaction resulted in cash proceeds of approximately $70 million and a net gain of approximately $49 million, which will be included in our fuel guidance over the next 4 quarters. Excluding special items and fuel, our mainline cost per ASM was $0.0855 in the second quarter of 2014, up 2.2%. Regional operating cost per ASM, excluding special items, was $0.158, which was 5.2% higher primarily due to contractual rate increases. Excluding special items and fuel, our consolidated CASM was up 2.5% in the second quarter of 2014. We ended the quarter with $10.3 billion in total cash and investments, of which $882 million was restricted. The company also has an undrawn revolving credit facility of $1 billion. Approximately, $791 million of the company's unrestricted cash balance was held in Venezuelan bolivars valued at the weighted average applicable change rate of VEF 6.53 to $1. During the second quarter, the company generated $1.4 billion in cash flow from operations and made $502 million in debt and capital lease payments. In addition, we prepaid $113 million of obligations associated with certain aircraft debt and $51 million of special facility revenue bond obligations, of which approximately $29 million were -- was reflected as debt on the balance sheet. We also purchased aircraft off of lease for approximately $630 million in the second quarter. Doug mentioned in his opening remarks, our Board of Directors has authorized the commencement of a capital deployment program. The program has 3 key components. Debt and lease payments. Since the merger closed in 2013, the company has prepaid $420 million of aircraft debt and bond obligations. In addition, the company plans to prepay $480 million of special facility revenue bond obligations by the end of 2014. It is anticipated that these payments will represent a reduction of the company's debt going forward. The company has also used $630 million of cash to purchase aircraft that were previously leased to the company, and anticipates utilizing an additional $370 million of cash in this manner through the remainder of 2014. In addition, this morning -- or yesterday afternoon, the company called for redemption of the remaining $900 million principal amount of the 7.5% senior notes due March 15, 2016. In total, these steps represent approximately $2.8 billion of prepayments that will be completed by the end of 2014. The company also plans to make supplemental contributions of $600 million to its defined benefit plans in 2014. These contributions would be above and beyond the $120 million required contributions for 2014. And also the company includes -- included a share repurchase program and the initiation of a quarterly dividend. The company's Board of Directors authorized a $1 billion share repurchase program to be completed no later than December 31, 2015, and the Board also declared a dividend of $10 (sic) [ $0.10 ] per share for shareholders of record as of August 4, 2014. The dividend will be paid on August 18, 2014, and as Doug said, this is the first cash dividend declared at American Airlines since 1980. Since the merger closed, the company has paid $737 million to reduced its shares outstanding by approximately 25 million. This includes payments of $561 million in payroll tax withholdings, primarily from employees in lieu of issuing shares of common stock, which reduced the number of shares expected to be issued under the plan by approximately 20 million. In addition, during the second quarter, the company utilized the cash settlement feature paying $176 million to redeem the remaining $22 million principal amount of US Airways Group's 7.75% convertible notes due in May 2014, which further reduced diluted shares outstanding by approximately 4 million shares. Now turning to guidance, and Scott will speak more about this in his remarks. We have reduced our international capacity plans for the fourth quarter of 2014. We now expect overall system capacity to be up approximately 2.5%. Mainline is expected to be up approximately 2.5% in 2014, of which international capacity is expected to be up approximately 5%, which is down 1% from our previous guidance. And domestic capacity up approximately 1% for 2013. Regional capacity in 2014 is planned to be up 1% year-over-year, and the breakdown of ASMs for the remainder of the year is as follows
J. Scott Kirby:
Thanks, Derek, and I'd like to start by thanking all the people of American Airlines for the great job they continue doing operationally during the second quarter in spite of the difficult weather challenges. We're still seeing large improvements in our operating statistics as we go through the difficult summer months. On the revenue front, our second quarter PRASM was up 6%. The revenue environment remains strong throughout the quarter. We saw particular strength in our domestic network, with RASM up 8% year-over-year. Our Pacific RASM was up 11% even in the face of significant industry capacity growth. AA is benefiting from many actions that we're taking to close the gap in the Pacific that we've historically had against the much larger networks of our competitors, and as a result, we're experiencing outsized performance. Our Atlantic RASM was up 2%, a result that we felt quite good about given the significant industry capacity growth across the Atlantic and the continuing headwinds from the U.S. network switching alliances. Latin RASM was down 2% due partly to the World Cup in Brazil, which we believe reduced business demand while the World Cup was happening, and some vacation customers from Latin America substituted travel to Brazil for the World Cup instead of going to the U.S. for their normal vacations. We're still making solid progress on our integration efforts and are pleased with the progress so far. Some of the second quarter integration highlights included that we harmonized most of our fees and our frequent flyer award structures; we launched the day-of-departure reciprocal upgrade program for AAdvantage and Dividend Miles customers; we co-located another 20 airports; we've now painted 240 aircraft in the new AA livery; we broke ground on our new operation center designed to house the world's largest airline; continued making good progress on our single-operating certificate; reached tentative agreement that have since been ratified with the IAM covering legacy U.S. mechanics, fleet service agents and mechanic training specialist. We also feel really good about the early progress we're making on winning corporate business. While it's hard to give objective overall statistics, one of the things that we expected in the merger was large synergies in New York by combining the legacy AA presence in transcon and international markets with the US Airways shuttle and East Coast network, and we're already seeing those benefits with domestic New York PRASM up 16% in the second quarter and our Atlantic PRASM up 8% in the second quarter out of New York. Consistent with what we've said previously, all of our work we're doing leaves us even more confident that we'll be able to meet or exceed our prior synergy guidance. Turning to the outlook going forward, we still feel quite good about the demand environment. Demand around the world remains strong with a few exceptions. The year-over-year comps are much more difficult moving into the third quarter. In last year's second quarter, consolidated AA PRASM was down 0.9% due mostly to the government sequestration last year, and it was up 3.4% in 3Q. So from that perspective, the comps get over 4 points more difficult year-over-year. Despite the challenging comps, the domestic environment remains strong and we expect domestic PRASM to be up mid-single digits. In the Pacific, double-digit capacity growth from the industry and AA. In spite of that, we expect positive year-over-year PRASM. Industry capacity is also up significantly across the Atlantic. Demand as measured by revenue growth is strong but not strong enough to absorb close to 10% capacity growth, and so we expect a modest decline in trans-Atlantic PRASM. In Latin America, the World Cup effects will extend into the second quarter and will have a large -- and will also have a large year-over-year impact from a reduction in services to Venezuela. Last year, as the black dollar-bolivar exchange rate began spiking in June, American Airlines revenues from Venezuela jumped significantly. In the third quarter of last year, Venezuela was only 0.5% of AA's system capacity, but would've been 2% of our total combined consolidated revenue. This year, we've canceled most of our Venezuela flying, so we'll be losing most of the 2% of revenue but only 0.5% of the ASMs, which means that our system PRASM in 3Q is negatively impacted by almost a full 1.5% just from canceling the Venezuelan services. When considering the fundamental demand environment, it's probably best to think about it excluding Venezuela. Excluding Venezuela, we expect the rest of Latin America PRASM to be flat to down, but the Latin America entity, including Venezuela, will obviously be down much more. At a system level, we expect PRASM to be up 2% to 4% in the third quarter, excluding Venezuela, but subtracting the 1.5 point hit from Venezuela means that we expect our reported PRASM will be up 1% to 3%. While international demand is strong, as measured by growth in revenue, it hasn't been growing fast enough to keep up with double-digit capacity growth rates, so we're taking action going forward to moderate some of the international capacity growth. Across the Atlantic, we'll be reducing our capacity for the remainder of the year by approximately 3% compared to our prior plan. In Latin America, for the remainder of 2014, we're planning to reduce our capacity by approximately 5% from our previous plans. In conclusion, we're very encouraged with the operating and integrating -- integration results at the new American Airlines, and the demand environment remains strong, with the exception of our Venezuela exposure.
Daniel Cravens:
Thanks, Derek. Thanks, Scott. Operator, we are now ready for questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division:
Doug, just sort of big-picture question here. When I think about American as a stand-alone, it was seasonally more of a third quarter company. That's where we saw usually the top margins, the best profitability. US Airways was more of a second quarter company. You put the 2 together, how should we think about it? I mean, I know there are some puts and takes there. I mean, if I think back when we were going into the June quarter, you guys were guiding to, I think, a pretax margin of 10% to 12%. For the third quarter, you're guiding to a 10.5% to 12.5%, so it seems like maybe, when the dust is settled, maybe your still -- your third quarter is your better quarter than the June. Anything else going on there that may have some impact or beyond what I said?
J. Scott Kirby:
Mike. I think when we combined American and US Airways, the second and third quarter are really close to the same in terms of seasonality. And actually, if you look at the midpoint of our guidance at 11.5% and if you added back the 1.5 point hit from Venezuela would have been a slightly higher margin than we had in the second quarter but in the same ballpark. So I think our seasonality, you would -- you should normally expect to be about the same in this case. We stopped service on July 1 to Venezuela, so we're taking a big hit from Venezuela in the third quarter. And that probably really explains the difference for this particular quarter.
Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division:
Perfect. And then, just my second question. You mentioned that you would be getting out some Embraer, I think, 145s -- I think it was either 145s or 140s getting out of 24 this year. And presumably, if there are 145s, I guess, they're Eagle or Envoy Airplanes, maybe there's some Republic airplanes there as well. Longer term, what -- where do things stand now with Envoy? I know there was some back-and-forth about whether or not they were trying to get to a contract. What's the status on that right now? And going forward, as airplanes come in, I -- presumably, it sounds like they're going to be flown by other partners. Just give us an update. That'd be great.
J. Scott Kirby:
Yes. At the moment, there's no change to the status. Envoy is still a very large and incredibly important partner for AA, though the new large regional jets are going elsewhere, at least the ones that are being delivered in the next 12 months or so. We remain hopeful that, at some point, we'll reach a deal with our pilots that allows us to put large regional jets there, but there is no change in the near term.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie N. Baker - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division:
Scott, it's still difficult for me to reconcile how an airline that's starting to generate revenue synergies that you expressed confidence with outperforming industry RASM this year turns around and provides a RASM guide that's well below the competition. And I appreciate the Venezuela commentary, but presumably, you were aware of that phenomenon when you sounded such a bullish tone earlier in the year. So if you look towards the fourth quarter, is the Venezuela hit expected to be about the same, and do synergies start to recover that? Or put differently, and I'm not going to hold you to this, when, if ever, should we be expecting your RASM to recover and start the industry outperformance that the merger all along would've suggested was feasible?
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, look, I think if you look excluding Venezuela at our performance as we're going forward, one, at a system level, our guidance is the same as Delta and United for RASM, and that's despite much bigger exposure to the rest of Latin America, which is going to be the worst region in the world, and despite the fact that we have higher capacity growth. I mean, further, if you look at kind of entity by entity in the second quarter and I think in the third quarter, we outperformed the industry. We underperformed across the Atlantic, which we've said all along, we expected to do that. This year, as we switched alliances, we've outperformed by a wide margin across the Pacific, and in spite of the Venezuela exposure, we've actually outperformed even 2 Latin America. So I think we already are outperforming. We'll continue to outperform. When you roll everything together at a system level, you missed some of those nuances that just is where we're flying individually and the fact that Latin America is weak is going to hurt us in the third quarter. The Venezuela situation is going to also hurt in the fourth quarter. It's actually larger in the fourth quarter. It'll be almost a full 2 points in the fourth quarter, but then it moderates and essentially goes to 0 as we move into next year. I mean, really, on Venezuela, what happened last year is the black market bolivar rate spiked from -- to about 60 per dollar from the official exchange rate of 6.3. And what the government -- what we were allowed to do is you could buy airline tickets but they were at the official exchange rate of 6.3, so you were buying them at a 90% discount to the black market rate. And further, you're allowed to convert 3,000 -- you convert bolivars at the 6.3 rate into $3,000 of cash, and so you could buy your ticket in Venezuela and go to the U.S. and make money because of the differential in the exchange rate. And so just everyone was buying tickets, you'd wind up selling out every flight to the highest inventory class. One of the, I think, remarkable statistics is, we have 1 -- had 1 flight a day between Caracas and San Juan. We had 6 flights a day between Miami and San Juan. 30% of the revenue on the Miami-San Juan flights last year was people leaving Caracas going to and from -- just because it was -- any way you could get out of Venezuela, you could make money and actually put dollars in your pocket to leave Venezuela. So it just had an outsized effect. And I think we already are outperforming, I think we'll continue to outperform, I think that outperformance can accelerate, but we've got 1.5 point hit this quarter and a 2 point hit next quarter, but they're not merger-related.
Jamie N. Baker - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division:
Right. But Scott, are you assuming that there's no replacement RASM associated with whatever capacity was displaced from Brazil -- from Venezuela? Did you just hit it down or these figures net of whatever RASM you picked up putting those planes elsewhere?
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, there is replacement RASM. And so that's included my numbers when I say less than 1.5%. But when you had legs that had RASM that was 4x the system average, which is what Venezuela was, RASM during that -- during the third quarter. Again it's just because you wind up selling an awful lot of tickets at the very highest fares but they were priced cheaply in bolivars. And when you did that, you wind up with RASM that was 4x the system average. And so, yes, you can replace that, but it comes in at something less than the system average, and that's how you wind up with a 1.5 point hit.
Operator:
And we'll take our question from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research, LLC:
I'm sorry, I may have missed this if you said this earlier, but did you say 2015 CASM x fuel be down 1 to up 1 2015?
Derek J. Kerr:
2015, yes. I mean, we believe that we've had questions before of do you believe -- where do you believe it can go in 2015. And basically, with the synergies that we have and where we go, we're looking at it to be lower than inflation growth and in the flat range.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research, LLC:
Okay, great. And does that imply 2% to 3% capacity growth as well, roughly?
Derek J. Kerr:
We haven't given out the capacity growth for next year yet because we're still doing that for the plan, but it would be in that range, yes.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research, LLC:
Okay, helpful. And I heard you guys say Maya is there. Are you guys -- is she able to chat for a minute?
Daniel Cravens:
She is.
Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research, LLC:
Okay. Maya, a lot of people don't know you. You're driving the integration from the IT side, and I know, from where we sit, it looks like you're doing a pretty good job. And I was wondering if you could sort of help us out, think about sort of some of the benchmarks that we can see externally from the investor community what you're working on now. Res system cutover is still a long way away, but what are some of the benchmarks that we should be looking for in the near term that you're working on, you and your team? And second to that as well is, what kind of sort of leeway do you have as you're integrating the systems when you find things that you think are suboptimized, what kind of leeway you have to make changes now versus just picking what's good enough for the time being and punting it until a later date?
Maya Leibman:
Well, thank you for saying that I'm driving the integration. Please keep telling Doug that. I think from an external standpoint, the things that you and our customers will see in the near term probably surround the frequent flyer program. We have made a lot of small changes with respect to that. So for example -- and on the website, so things that our frequent flyers can see when they come to the website. For example, the ability to earn and burn miles regardless of which carrier they're traveling. So if you're an AAdvantage member, you can earn AAdvantage miles when you're traveling on legacy US Airways metal. In addition, a lot of things around how you use the functionality in the website. So you can -- if you come to the -- to aa.com but you have a legacy US Airways ticket, you will -- and you come to check in, you will be gracefully taken over to the legacy US Airways check-in system, you will complete your check-in and then be returned to aa.com. So there's a lot of things that we've done, absent having full integration of the systems, to make the customer experience better. And I think if you benchmark those against what United and Delta and others have done at this point in the merger, you'll find that it's comparable, or in some cases, a little bit ahead. As we look forward, there's also a lot of things I should mention that are happening behind the scenes. For example, we're working on things that you will never see like the integration of the revenue accounting systems. And a lot of the products, both airlines brought to this merger about 700 systems, so collectively, we have about 1,400 when both of us were running pretty big enterprises on just 700 systems each. So we need to get back down to something. So there's a lot of things that are happening behind the scenes right now to get back down to that footprint. As far as your other question, we have a lot of leeway to make decisions right now about what positions us best for the future, and we are -- we're making those decisions each day. In general, we have decided to go with the legacy American Airlines systems because that's really the path of least resistance. These systems are generally larger. They're better able to scale, we have fewer employees to train and fewer customers to train and that's the direction that we're going to take. But as everyone has said, the real heavy-lifting happens next year.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore.
Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore Partners Inc., Research Division:
You addressed my main one, which is trying to get you to talk about '15 CASM but that's already out of the box here. Just in terms of merger synergies, we'll stay on that theme if we think about fleet arbitrage mixing and matching U.S. fleet in AA network and vice versa. How far along are you in ramping those synergies, and what is the run rate today?
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, we've made decent progress on it, but really, those kinds of synergies of mixing and matching the fleet. We're doing our first route swaps start on August 19. Well, actually, they've already started -- they started in July. So it's really early, and the big dollar values for those won't come for another year until we get to a single operating certificate because the biggest values are widebodies. And while we may do some of those, it's just hard to do it when they're 2 separate fleets. The customer issues and the other issues make it hard to do fully. So those are the ones that will take the longest to ramp up and really won't start in earnest until after we get to a single operating certificate.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Helane Becker with Cowen and Company.
Helane R. Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division:
So Doug, I asked this question of one sort of smaller network carrier and one non-network carrier, and as a larger carrier, maybe you can comment on this. The TSA fee went up pretty much a lot. There's a lot of stuff going on with segment fees and so on, on -- and that fee went up July 21. Are you finding or able to pass that on to -- I mean, it's only been a couple of days, recognizing that. Are you able to pass it onto your customers? When you think going forward the impact, if any, will be?
William Douglas Parker:
Look, Helane, we always talk about these fees and taxes. We're never able to pass them on. The airline works -- our airline, as all do, work really hard to generate as higher revenue as we can and maximize revenue and do anything we can to keep our cost down to produce profit. But it's not as though all of a sudden our costs go up and you see all the fares go up because that has impacts on demand. So I don't know, and Scott can probably talk a little more specifically, but I don't -- I can't imagine we would tell you, "Oh yes, we've seen increases related to changes in this tax." What I can tell you is, the shift and how it's charged now is, certainly, I think a better way to assess this fee by having it -- rather than being per enplanement, per -- it essentially just goes to each time someone goes through the -- through security as opposed to every time you go onto an airplane. So that, we think, is a better way. It certainly shifts some of that burden away from the network carriers to those -- when we have connections that are -- that just -- that don't have as many connections. But look, at the end of the day, this is -- it's an additional tax to the industry yet again. It's just one that's been, in this case, being borne more by those who don't have connections than those that do.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research.
Daniel McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated:
A couple of questions here. With respect to the 215 -- 2015 CASM, on the down 1% to up 1%, just to clarify, was that specifically nonfuel CASM or CASM? I was kind of getting pulled in different directions. And then...
Derek J. Kerr:
No, nonfuel.
Daniel McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated:
Nonfuel. And then, I guess, I was just wondering related to that what are some of the cost categories that might be offsetting natural inflation. Or should we just be thinking of it as general efficiency more ASMs absorbing sort of your general cost structure?
Derek J. Kerr:
Yes, I would say more efficiencies and synergies coming in in 2015.
Daniel McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated:
Got it. Okay. And then just circling back on the capacity to your producing it by 3% versus the prior plan and reducing Latin American 5% versus the prior plan. When will the cuts be uploaded to the schedules data? Are they already there? And when do these cuts phase in exactly? And I guess, just lastly, tied to that, what was the plan initially? Is it really what's in the schedules today? And do we just take it off for that?
William Douglas Parker:
They're not in the system yet. I'm not sure of the exact date could be in the system. They start some of them as early as the back half of August, and some of those will be a day a week kind of cancellations that we're going to put in place. We were planning across the Atlantic about 5%, I think. And this will get us down to about 2%. And to Latin America, it was about 5%, and it'll get us down to flat.
Daniel McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated:
Got it. And then, I guess, Scott just tied to that, your partner British Airways, of course, is growing pretty aggressive. I think they're growing 9%. What kind of coordination do you have with British Airways at this point? And have they commented on their plans looking ahead to this winter?
J. Scott Kirby:
They have not yet commented, but they have an earnings call next Friday, and I suspect they will comment on their capacity plans at that time. And we have, at least, in the last 6 months I think started to develop a pretty close working relationship. SkyTeam has been at this longer and has I think a more mature working relationship where they really do sit there and jointly and work on capacity and revenue management issues. And we have started with IAG. It's not just British Airways that's also Iberia and Finnair. But we have started that a little bit behind, but I think we're ramping up pretty quickly. And I think as we move into 2015, you'll see a much more consolidated view on capacity -- more clearly it's a consolidated view on capacity and we will have worked toward together jointly to develop those plans. For the cuts that we're doing in the back of the year actually worked pretty closely with IAG on those as well, but you'll see more of that in 2015 and think that is an opportunity for both of our companies.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from John Godyn with Morgan Stanley.
John D. Godyn - Morgan Stanley, Research Division:
Derek, just in a context of a lot of these balance sheet-related announcements and the capital returns plan, I was hoping you might lay out, maybe, some longer-term metrics or ways of thinking about both the debt balance, the minimum cash balance, long-term thought processes around capital returns to investors, whatever you're willing to offer just as we do our longer-term modeling, this is clearly a major change and a great one for the company.
William Douglas Parker:
John, this is Doug. I'll start a little and then Derek can chime in. I mean, look, our goal is to maximize return on investment capital, to maximize profitability, not to say that we don't have projections and targets that we want to go hit, but we're reluctant to go give targets because a bit of a concern is that under -- that doesn't push as hard as we should be going. And we can do even better than just hitting a target and then suggesting, once we get there, we're going to do something differently then try to produce the best results we possibly can. So what you see from us today, I think, is indicative of what you should expect to see, which is an airline that knows that we have a lot of work to do in terms of getting the integration done, understands it's going to take some capital, understands that we need if we're going to go build the greatest airline like we plan to, we need to make sure that we're taking care of our people, taking care of our customers, and also taking care of our investors. And to the extent we do that in the term and we have enough cash to do -- to take care of our customers and our employees that our job is to return it to investors both debt and shareholders. And what I expect is, you'll see us do more and more of this over time, and this isn't a one-off situation. I think this really is an indication of how transformed this business is that we're all confident enough to be doing things like this and we'll keep doing more and more than that. But our goal is to be doing better this than anybody else. And so like I say, rather than giving you set margin targets and set return on capital targets, our goal is just to go be higher than anybody else.
John D. Godyn - Morgan Stanley, Research Division:
Got it. That's helpful color. And just on a separate topic, Doug and maybe Scott. There was -- when we think about the kind of synergy outlook over the next couple of years, there was this sort of initial bucket of low-hanging fruit that you identified earlier in the year, an overbooking model, re-banking of some hubs which I know are still in front of us. I was just hoping that you could update us maybe on the more near-term timeline for what's rolled on, what still has to roll on, as we're kind of bridging this gap before a lot of the really hard work on integration occurs deeper into 2015.
William Douglas Parker:
Well, on the things that we talked about earlier, there are 3 big ones. One is putting more seats on the airplane. That has started, but not a lot done. The 787s haven't even started yet. Really, that's something that will be happening starting in earnest at the end of the summer and going through -- all the way through the end of 2015 actually to get the whole fleet done. Second, the thing we identified was re-banking the hubs. The first hub to be re-banked is Miami, that will go into effect August 19. So clearly, none of that's in the numbers yet. Dallas and Chicago will go into effect, we're currently targeting the end of March of next year. And then the third one is variable scheduling, which is pulling some capacity out of peaks and flying more in the peaks. That really hasn't started at all yet and will start in the fourth quarter this year, although it'll only be in its infancy. So certainly won't be fully at steady state. So those are the 3 things that we talked about and really none of those have kicked in in earnest yet, but they are coming. There are lot of smaller things that we have already done that I don't think we've talked about on earnings calls, but bag fees and other things that are already flowing through in the numbers. So there's a lot of things that are in the numbers, but the big ones that we've talked about in the earnings calls haven't started yet.
John D. Godyn - Morgan Stanley, Research Division:
And it sounds like fourth quarter is a big quarter for that. And is the annual -- annualized impact still this kind of hundreds of millions of dollar kind of number that you disclosed earlier in the year? Or has it gone up for one reason or another?
William Douglas Parker:
Well, everything that we -- we haven't changed the number in our official guidance, but everything we've done makes us feel increasingly confident that we'll achieve or exceed those numbers, but we haven't officially changed the guidance.
William Douglas Parker:
John, it's Doug again. There's one point that you asked and I missed that come back and get to --- anyway I think it's important someone interesting, which is the leverage ratios. That's another -- that's one of these again where, certainly we want to work to given where the balance sheet now is to de-lever and you're seeing us do some of that in the announcement today. But it's also really important, I think, to understand, that in our business, if you simply just go target leverage ratios or credit ratings, you'd be making some really inefficient decisions for your company. And that's due to the fact that aircraft debt, that's which is the vast majority of all of airline debt, because of -- at least today, you can get so incredibly efficiently through WTC, certainly the A and B tranches, that because the airplanes, of course, can be moved and therefore very little to do with the underlying credit of the company and a lot to do with the fact with the asset itself. So anyway, if all you're doing is targeting the credit ratio -- debt-to-equity ratio, you'd be doing -- we -- it would encourage to do things like take cash for aircraft, which may not be in the best interest of the firm at all. Because as we de-lever that way and the credit rating goes down, nothing happens to our cost of capital. Indeed, it doesn't change a bit, and we're not providing -- and we're able to borrow at rates below our cost of capital. So anyway, another one of these things. Just another indication that I -- if it's not clear, we're not the biggest fans of setting targets for the sake of setting targets. We have -- we know what our job is, and we're going to do it and plan to do it really well. And we'll produce results, but we're not going to try and run the company for debt-to-equity ratios or anything other than just being the best we possibly can be and things like on return on capital.
John D. Godyn - Morgan Stanley, Research Division:
Well, it's been working so far.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Joe DeNardi with Stifel.
Joseph W. DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division:
Derek, I'm wondering if you could just given all the debt reduction efforts here, if you could just put into context kind of with that -- without setting a target obviously, what that puts the interest expense line kind of looking like next year or if you have a longer-term thought on where you want it to be.
Derek J. Kerr:
Well, I think from -- we have a guidance ready now that interest expense is going to be about $855 million for this year. So that's the guidance that's out there today. That all depends on exactly what Doug just talked about is, what are we going to do, we have a fair amount of aircraft coming in, and we have a fair amount of unencumbered aircraft today. So it depends on what financing activities we will do in the near future. So having it -- I think what you'll see is, because of us having capital commitments of over $5 billion worth of aircraft coming in for the next few years, you'll see the debt level stay pretty much the same, but you'll see a lower cost of capital as we're able to finance at better opportunity. So if I took that equation, you'd say it would be less than it was this year and driven down from an interest expense basis, but driven more down by rate than it's driven by debt reduction.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Savanthi Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division:
Just on the Latin America, I just wanted to get a sense of where you're seeing the weakness. Is it concentrated in Brazil or any specific region outside of the reductions that are, obviously, happening in Venezuela?
William Douglas Parker:
Fairly, Venezuela was the worst region. The worst part of Latin America. Then Argentina, I think, is probably second and has some macroeconomic weakness. Brazil has been weak, but I think that's largely a World Cup effect. And we've actually seen all of Latin America in a couple of weeks following the end of the World Cup actually start to bounce back. And the rest of Latin America -- the rest of South America is pretty strong. The Caribbean and Mexico are actually, on a revenue basis, quite strong, but there is huge capacity and growth in some of those markets. Markets like Cancun, Montego Bay with capacity up 25%. So RASM will be down in those markets, but revenue growth is 20%. So those markets are strong. Really, Venezuela -- Argentina is a little weak. Brazil is a little weak, but Venezuela is the real story in Latin America, overwhelms everything else.
Savanthi Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division:
Understood. And then just closer to your home, I know as you go to the fourth quarter it seems like that there is a lot of capacity just being added to both the [indiscernible] DC markets as well as Dallas because of the slot gains by some carriers and then DFW with Wright Amendment. What are you seeing early stages on kind of the on fares and the impact of these capacity increases?
William Douglas Parker:
It's really too early for us to see any impact. We don't see anything on our numbers yet that's identifiable, but we know there will be an impact from both of those. I think the Wright Amendment impact will probably be larger than in D.C. But we aren't seeing anything yet. It's 3 months before Southwest -- before the Wright Amendment goes away, so it's just really too early in the booking curve to tell anything.
Savanthi Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division:
Understood. And as with -- in Dallas, are there other markets that you've added that maybe help offset the impact there or?
William Douglas Parker:
Well, what I think what we're going to be impacted in some of the Dallas local markets. I think we'll still do quite well, and Dallas is a fantastic hub. We'll still do really well in the markets that we serve. We're going to have a much better pattern of service really in all of those markets for frequent customers, which they care about, we have a much better frequent flier program, which the elite and frequent traveling business customers care about and we're going to compete aggressively with Southwest, but just when you add more capacity in any market, it obviously has some impact. We have grown DFW a little, although our biggest growth is actually with lot of ASMs has been new service to Shanghai and Hong Kong, but we aren't explicitly trying to replace markets or anything. We're going to compete with the strength of our great frequent flier base and one of the best hubs in the world, great customer base, and that's what we're going to compete with.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Thomas Kim with Goldman Sachs.
Thomas Kim - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division:
What are your thoughts on forming strategic financial partnerships with other carriers, for example, in Asia, where you're building out your franchise? Obviously, you know one of your competitors has done that and seems to have been beneficial both financially and operationally in particular to Lat Am. So be curious as to how you're thinking about your Pacific strategy in terms of growing and building it to over the medium term.
William Douglas Parker:
Well, we already have a great joint venture partnership with JAL, and we believe that they are a fantastic partner. To the extent of there are opportunities to add others to that, we're open to it. And we think about it and talk about it. Nothing we're going to -- no specifics that we're going to talk about on the conference call, but it's something that we want to do jointly with a good partner that we already have in Asia.
Bob McAdoo - Imperial Capital, LLC, Research Division:
Okay. And then, yes, just switching topics. On the single op certificate, can you give us an update as to the timing? I know that you said it would take roughly about a year or so. Is it sort of first half next year or second half? And can you just post on in terms of how that's -- those discussions are progressing?
Robert D. Isom:
This is Robert Isom, Chief Operating Officer. We're making great progress and working very cooperatively with the FAA. We have the single operating certificate process really broken down into 9 chunks. And we're kind of midway through the process right now. Based on the timing right now, we would expect sometime late second quarter or shortly thereafter to be in position to work with the FAA and getting single operating certificate.
Thomas Kim - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division:
And when that happens, how long will it take for us to start seeing the operational impact with the improved synergies, we think of soft metal and staffing?
Robert D. Isom:
Well, the good thing about the single operating processes is that we'll see benefits all along the way. It's not going to be like a light switch. That said though, there are a number of things that really touch back to what Maya had talked about earlier. They're really dependent on when we can get our systems aligned. And as Maya had said, getting to a single reservation system. That's something that's late next year, hopefully. And that will really facilitate a lot of getting our groups together at the airports and facilitating a lot of the other work that we can do in a more efficient manner.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Darryl Genovesi with UBS.
Darryl Genovesi - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division:
So can -- I guess, can you just help us frame the opportunities that across the Pacific? And I guess, I'll refrain from asking for a target. But you're underrepresented in the region. So just wondering if you can quantify in terms of how much you think you can profitably grow the Pacific region, as maybe as a percentage of total system capacity? And then, whether or not you think you need to buy more wide-body aircraft in order to get there?
William Douglas Parker:
Well, to start, we have an awful lot of wide-body aircraft on order. And that there is growth contemplated in the wide-body order to China. So I don't think we need to buy more airplanes to Asia to do that. I think that there are profitable opportunities in Asia. We don't have a target. And aren't going to set one. Our growth will be predicated on making the existing flying we have and the new routes that we've added profitable, which will give us the confidence to continue growing and adding new routes. But we're going to be focused on making what we currently have successful, and once that's successful I think that gives you the ability to grow and so growth will be not on a target, but will be dependent on how well we do in the region.
Darryl Genovesi - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division:
Okay. So no really view on how big that might be. Just maybe, I'll try another one. On your labor costs, I think you characterized this synergy here as $400 million as that steps up. But when I look at your labor cost and add $400 million to it per ASM, that's still kind of 15-ish percent below Delta and United on a per ASM basis. So I just wondering if maybe you can help us reconcile what that reported labor cost number looks like versus your peers and what sort of the biggest differences you think there are between you guys and your nearest peers.
William Douglas Parker:
I think we'd have to take some time to try to reconcile that with you. I've never heard of anyone talking about labor cost per ASM. It's just -- it's not terribly -- it's not the right metric. If you have 138 seats on an A350 and pay your pilots exactly the same as someone else that flies with the 150 seats on an A350, you have 9% difference in labor cost per ASM, even though your labor cost is exactly the same. So we look at labor cost block hour by equipment type. And so I think we have to do something more detailed to reconcile with you. I think we do think our costs are a little below where others are and moving to get to the same levels as the other as we complete the integration and have profitability that's -- profitability potential that's equivalent to an airline like Delta. But I think the 15% number is wrong, and it's probably because you're looking at it on an ASM basis.
Operator:
This now concludes the analysis portion of the question-and-answer session. We will now conduct the media portion of the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Ely -- I'm sorry, David Koenig with the Associated Press.
David Koenig:
I wanted to ask a Tel Aviv question. And the very simple, was there -- was this a -- the resumption of flights, was this a joint decision? Did all 3 of the U.S. carriers decide, one for all, all for one, if one of us is going to go back, we're all going to go back in there?
William Douglas Parker:
Robert?
Robert D. Isom:
David, no. The fact of the matter is, we've been evaluating the situation in Tel Aviv for some time. We do all the time. And of course, the precursor to resuming service was the pull down of the NOTAM by the FAA, which was done last night. We reviewed the situation and are pleased to fly our scheduled service that's going out tonight. And of course, the security and safety of our passengers and our employees are first and foremost. And we evaluate internal, external sources, as well as working with the government to make the decision to do what's right.
William Douglas Parker:
And this is Doug, David. We obviously, as always Robert just; said, we make independent decisions as do they. Although it shouldn't be surprising that we all came to the same conclusion. This is a really competitive business. But we don't compete on safety. And we -- none of us would do anything that we thought was remotely had put any of our employees or customers at risk. And we've all been working with the FAA and we're working with each other and everyone has come to conclusion that is entirely safe. And if we hadn't come to that conclusion, the others wouldn't conclude it either because we don't have -- there are no degrees of this amongst the industry. We all put it as our top priority, and no one is more adamant about than anyone else. It's top of mind for everyone's business. So it doesn't surprise me at all when we came to same conclusion because the facts are the same.
David Koenig:
Yes, understood about the safety. I just wondered did you all talk before you -- as you developed your decisions.
William Douglas Parker:
Absolutely not. It's possible, of course, that others might have come to different conclusions with different facts, so we wouldn't have -- we would not have decided to go if we didn't think it was perfectly safe independently.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Ely Portillo with The Charlotte Observer.
Ely Portillo:
So you guys mentioned in your earnings release specifically the 4 new flights to Europe from Charlotte and the seasonal service. I was just wondering if you can give any details on how those are doing and whether you think those will make it for
William Douglas Parker:
Well, I'm not going to give specific route commentary, but given the double-digit capacity growth across the Atlantic, it's pressured all routes, and new routes are generally the most marginal routes, so they've been under more pressure. So they've underperformed what we'd hoped they do, that doesn't mean they won't come back next year. But they've underperformed not because the routes are done poorly, but just because there's been 10% capacity growth across the Atlantic at an industry level.
Ely Portillo:
Another thing that I noticed in yours and your competitors' releases was load factors continuing to increase especially domestically. Have you guys gotten any negative feedback from passengers? Do you have any concerns about that, hitting a wall going forward? Or is there still room to grow load factor?
J. Scott Kirby:
Well, our goal to be run 100% load factor. But I don't know of any feedback that's anything different than normal about load factor. I think we are probably near what is a structural peak because busy flights are 100% full, but then you have flights like the shuttle markets that run at 50% load factors, and you're never get turnout the shuttle market into a 100% load factor. So you have seasonal issues, early flights, late flights. So I think we're probably near a peak. And load factors really aren't growing. In fact, I think, ours maybe even a bit down slightly in the quarter.
Ely Portillo:
Yes, I think your overall was, but your domestic was up.
William Douglas Parker:
I think we're near a peak on what's achievable on load factors.
Derek J. Kerr:
I'll just add, Ely, I think the high load factors in themselves our feedback from customers and that means is when there's a lot of demand for the product and there are a lot of people that want to fly and we are happy to meet that need.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Mary Grace Lucas with CNN.
Mary Grace Lucas:
Back to Tel Aviv just briefly, can you guys just talk about internal discussion that you had over the flight, and how insurance plays into it, and how also you sort of factor safety in that question? What details can you give us about how you discuss a decision like this?
Robert D. Isom:
Mary, it's Robert again. Again, this is not the first time that we've dealt with a situation in a region of the world or someplace that we fly. We constantly monitor any threats in the system, whether they'd be civil unrest or issues with thunderstorms, or at the end of the day, things that may be related to FAA mandates. So we are on constant alert, and we have our own internal security group that monitors all situations. We have external advisors. And then of course, we have a government relations team that stays in close contact with the State Department, with the FAA and a number of other government agencies. We collect all that information and at various levels within the company, analyze and use that information ultimately to make recommendations on what's best. Now of course, the work doesn't stop there. We're certainly mindful of our customers and our employees. But you know, we're also very concerned about our pilots and flight attendants that they fly these routes, and we consult with them and the labor unions as well to make sure that we're all coordinated when we make decisions. Exactly the process we went through this time is process we'll go through again. And we're set up to do that on a regular basis.
Mary Grace Lucas:
But as speaking -- as generally speaking, more about this particular instance, can you talk about some of the internal discussion that you had? And also, can you prove that flights are safer today than they were yesterday? How can you be sure?
Robert D. Isom:
Mary, again, I went through the process that we go through. And again, we get information and we have very good sources and of course the government as well. That's how we go about making our decisions. So we feel very comfortable with the information that we have right now, that we're doing the right thing and feel very confident that our employees and our customers are safe.
Mary Grace Lucas:
Was there any one factor that changed from yesterday, today -- to today that had a heavy influence on this decision, other than the pull down of the NOTAM.
Robert D. Isom:
Yes, the NOTAM was pulled, Mary, and that's about all that we want to talk about it.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Mary Schlangenstein with Bloomberg News.
Mary Schlangenstein:
[indiscernible] sort of carrying things a bit with the weakness in some of the international areas. I wanted to ask you, if you look out, at least into the near-term future, is there anything that you see that might threaten that domestic strength? I mean, in terms of the economy? Or fuel prices? Or anything like that? Or do you expect it to continue strong for some time?
William Douglas Parker:
Well, there's nothing that we see. As far out as we can see, we expect the domestic environment to remain strong. And I would even say the international environment is strong. When you look out, you have 10% capacity growth across the Pacific. We have even higher capacity growth and we're going to have RASM up. That's huge revenue growth. It was across the Atlantic where you've got 10% capacity growth, and we're going to have RASM down slightly, but that means revenue and demand is growing close to double digits. Really, the only part of the world where there's weakness is Venezuela, at least significant weakness. And I don't see anything that's going to change it domestically. You rarely see these things coming in advance, but it feels pretty good right now.
Mary Schlangenstein:
All right. And can I kind of ask, in a newsletter to employees, Doug talked about the wide bodies that will be coming in the future and that you may use them for some international growth versus replacement. And you mentioned that earlier. Do you have ideas already where you're going to place some of the planes, I mean, where you see your future longer-term growth? Will we see you go into some new countries or anything like that?
William Douglas Parker:
Yes. We have a long list of potential markets that we've looked at and that we think are going to be good growth potentials, but we constantly -- and some of those are new countries and some of those are new cities and some of those are new routes to existing cities that we already serve. But we constantly adjust that based on what's happening in the demand environment, so we can't announce anything yet until we get to the point where we actually ready to load those flights. We do think that over the long-term, there are international growth opportunities. I think in the short- to medium-term, we need to have some time to let demand catch up with the capacity. Again, demand is strong, but capacity growth has been even higher. We need to let demand catch up with capacity before pursuing some of those growth opportunities, but there's a lot out there that we're going to have over the coming years.
Operator:
This now concludes the question-and-answer session.
Derek J. Kerr:
Okay. All right. Thank you, everyone, for your interest. Any further questions, please let us know, but we are now adjourned. Thanks, everybody.
Operator:
This concludes the presentation. Thank you for your participation.
Operator:
Good day, and welcome to the American Airlines First Quarter 2014 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] And now I would like to turn the conference over to your moderator, Managing Director of Investor Relations, Mr. Daniel Cravens. Please go ahead, sir.
Daniel Cravens:
Thanks, operator, and welcome, everybody, to the American Airlines Group First Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. Joining us on today's call are Doug Parker, our CEO; Scott Kirby, President; Derek Kerr, our Chief Financial Officer. Also in the room for our Q&A session are Robert Isom, our Chief Operating Officer; Elise Eberwein, our EVP of People and Communications; and Bev Goulet, our Chief Integration Officer; and Steve Johnson, our EVP of Corporate Affairs.
We're going to start the call this morning with Doug, and he'll provide an overview of our financial results. Derek will then walk us through the details on the quarter and provide some color on our guidance for the remainder of the year. Scott will then follow with commentary on the revenue environment and our operational performance. And then after we hear from those comments, we'll open the call for analysts Q&A and lastly, questions from the media. Before we begin, we must state that today's call does contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues and cost, forecast of capacity, traffic, load factor, fleet plans and fuel prices. These statements represent our predictions and expectations as to future events. The numerous risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release that was issued this morning, our Form 10-Q that was also issued this morning and our Form 10-K that was issued at the end of -- for December 31, 2013. In addition, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, such as net profit and CASM, excluding unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, and that can be found on our website at aa.com. A webcast of this will also be archived on our website. The information that we're giving you on the call is as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. So thanks again for joining us this morning, and at this point, I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Doug Parker.
William Parker:
Thank you, Dan, for the wonderful, dramatic reading you just did. Thanks, everybody, for being on. We are really pleased to report record first quarter profits in our first full quarter post merger. We announced today a profit for the first quarter, a record $480 million, excluding special items, a record first quarter net profit of $402 million.
Last year, US Airways and American, combined, earned only $62 million on that same basis. So this $402 million is an increase of $340 million or an increase of 548%. Those results are thanks to a phenomenal effort by our over 100,000 team members. This was the most difficult winter season any of us have ever experienced in this business, and our team managed through it in an exceptional way and did a great job of taking care of our customers. The teams are working really well together. We're very pleased with the progress we're making on the merger so far. I'm quick to note that it's still very early in the process, and the hardest work lies ahead. But so far, so good. The progress to date, combined with today's results, give us confidence we're on the right track. And then lastly, in the release, we noted we ended the quarter with $10.6 billion in total cash and that since the merger, we have used $542 million of cash to reduce our diluted share count by approximately 20 million shares. Derek will talk more about that, but I just wanted -- I know some of you are interested in the company's plans for our cash. We spent a good bit of time discussing that in our board meeting this week. The reality is we're just 4.5 months into our merger, but we are looking very carefully at our optimal financial and capital allocation strategies and expect to announce more details as the year progresses. But the $542 million used towards share reduction, hopefully, gives you some indication of our views. So with that said, I'll turn it over to Derek to give you more detail, and then Scott will walk through the revenue projections.
Derek Kerr:
Thanks, Doug, and good morning, everybody. In the earnings release and 10-Q filed earlier today, you will find a lot of information pertaining to our first quarter full year results as a merged company. Just please note that the GAAP results shown today compare our 2014 performance to that of legacy AMR Corp. only, and this makes the year-over-year comparisons not meaningful.
As such, for the first quarter 2013, we have provided our financial results on a non-GAAP combined basis, which is the sum of American Airlines and US Airways. We believe this is the best way to review our financial quarterly results. Unless otherwise noted, all of my comments will be based on the comparisons to the 2013 non-GAAP combined results, which can be found in the press release tables under the heading American Airlines Group Inc. Non-GAAP Combined Consolidated Statement of Operations. And we will do this for the rest of the year. Unfortunately, this will be the case throughout 2014. For the first quarter, the company recorded a record GAAP net profit of $480 million. This compares to a non-GAAP combined first quarter 2013 net loss of $297 million. Excluding net special credits, we reported a record net profit of $402 million in the first quarter of 2014. This compares to a non-GAAP combined first quarter net profit, excluding special charges, of $62 million in the first quarter 2013. Using 741 million diluted shares outstanding, we reported earnings of $0.54 per diluted share in the first quarter 2014. Our pretax margin, excluding net special credits, was 4.1%, an increase of 360 basis points year-over-year. Total capacity for the quarter of 2014 was 23.4 billion ASMs, up 2% from the same period in 2013. Mainline capacity was 56.8 billion, up 2.7%; and regional capacity was down 3.2% to 6.6 billion ASMs. We ended the quarter with 977 mainline aircraft in our fleet, took delivery of 19 mainline aircraft and retired 12 aircraft during the quarter. The remainder of 2014, we expect to continue our fleet replacement program, and we plan to retire 70 additional aircraft while taking delivery of 64 new mainline aircraft. And we will end the year at a fleet count of 971. In April, the company modified its fleet order book in 2 ways. First, an order with Airbus included committed lease financing arrangements with respect to 62 Airbus A320 family aircraft. The company has elected to forgo those delivery lease financing commitments and purchase these A320 aircraft without manufacturer-provided financing. These aircraft are scheduled for delivery between first quarter 2015 and third quarter 2017. Second, and in connection with this decision, the company exercised its right to convert 30 Airbus A320 family NEO aircraft from firm orders to options. We believe this allows the company to take delivery of these aircraft on the original scheduled delivery dates in 2021 and 2022 at its sole discretion. On the regional side, we ended the quarter with 560 aircraft. First quarter, we retired 3 ERJ-140s and 1 Dash-100 aircraft and took delivery of 6 Embraer-175 aircraft. For the remainder of the year, the company expects to take delivery of 15 CRJ9 aircraft at its wholly owned subsidiary PSA, as well as 18 Embraer-175s and 10 CRJ9 aircraft, which will be operated by certain of the company's partner airlines. Over the remainder of the year, we will retire another Dash 8 and 37 E140 aircraft and expect to end the year at 565 regional aircraft. As we have previously disclosed, inclement weather in the first quarter of 2014 created some of the most difficult operating conditions in recent history for the company and the industry. In total, American canceled more than 34,000 flights during the quarter, most of which were due to weather. These cancellations unfavorably impacted revenue by approximately $115 million and net operating profit by approximately $60 million. For the quarter, total operating revenues were a record $10 billion, up 5.6% from the same period on a combined basis in 2013 on a 2% increase in system capacity. Capacity revenues were $8.7 billion, up 5% year-over-year with yields up 3.2%. Cargo revenues were up 4.9% to $206 million due to higher international freight volumes. And other operating revenues were up $1.1 billion, 10%. Versus a combined first quarter 2013, total RASM was up 2.9% in the first quarter of 2014 to a record $0.1367. Total RASM for the first quarter was $0.1577, up 3.5%. And Scott will talk about that a little bit later. The airline's operating expenses, excluding special items, for the first quarter of 2014 were $9.4 billion, up 2.4% as compared to the same combined period last year. Mainline operating cost per ASM, excluding special items, was $0.1374, up 0.4% year-over-year due primarily to higher salaries and benefit expenses, offset by lower fuel costs. Salaries and benefits were up 12.7% due primarily to the impact of merger-related labor contract cost increases and expenses associated with variable compensation programs primarily due to a 45% increase in stock price during the quarter. Our average mainline fuel price, including taxes and legacy airline -- American Airlines hedges for the first quarter of 2014 was $3.10 per gallon versus $3.20 per gallon last year. Excluding special items and fuel, our mainline cost per ASM was $0.0897 in the first quarter of 2014, up 3.9%. Regional operating cost per ASM was up 16 -- was $0.1662, up 5% from a year earlier. That's primarily due to 3.2% fewer ASMs in the 2014 period resulting from the weather cancellations. Excluding special items and fuel, our consolidated CASM was up 3.7% in 2014. We ended the quarter with $10.6 billion in total cash and investments, of which $947 million was restricted. The company also has an undrawn revolving credit facility of $1 billion. During the quarter, the company generated $1.3 billion in cash flow from operations and also paid down $500 million in debt. Approximately $750 million of the company's unrestricted cash balance was held in Venezuelan bolivars valued at the weighted average applicable exchange rate of VEF 6.32 to $1. As Doug said, since the merger closed, the company has paid $542 million in tax withholdings for employees in lieu of issuing shares of common stock as compensation under the planned reorganization, thereby reducing the number of shares expected to be issued under the plan by approximately 20 million. Additionally, the company has elected to utilize approximately $175 million of cash to settle the remaining $22 million principal amount of the US Airways Group 7.25% convertible notes due May 15, 2014, which will further reduce shares outstanding by approximately 4 million. Taken together, the company now anticipates the total number of shares outstanding will be 736 million, which is 20 million fewer shares than expected under the plan of reorganization. Although not a share repurchase, we believe this is the most significant share reduction by any airline this year. Turning now to guidance. We are reducing overall system capacity slightly versus previous guidance. We continue to modify the network, and thus, have reduced some unprofitable flying, like Charlotte-Rio and cutbacks on international seasonal service, earlier than planned. Mainline expected to be up approximately 3% in 2014, of which international capacity expected to be up 7% and domestic capacity up approximately 1%.
Mainline ASMs break down by the remainder of 2014 by quarter as follows:
60.9 billion in the second quarter, 62.1 billion in the third quarter, 59.1 billion in the fourth quarter.
Regional capacity breaks down by quarter approximately 7.13 billion in the second quarter, 7.35 billion in the third quarter and 7.31 billion in the fourth quarter. Our CASM guidance takes into account the effects of the merger on our cost structure, including the anticipated synergy benefits and the impact of higher labor costs that were agreed to in connection with the merger. As such, we are now going to guide to CASM x fuel and special items in order to more -- or order for more accurate modeling. For the full year 2014, we are forecasting mainline CASM x special items and fuel to be up 1% to 3% versus 2013. This is driven by the cost of new labor contracts, higher depreciation, higher maintenance costs due to engine overhauls, offset by forecasted synergy benefits.
By quarter, this breaks downs as follows:
second quarter to be up 1% to 3%; third quarter, up 1% to 3%; fourth quarter, down 1% to up 1%; and the regional CASM is forecasted to be up approximately 2% to 4% in 2014.
We're forecasting mainline fuel price to be approximately $3.06 per gallon in 2014. Using the April 22 forward curve, we expect fuel price to be in the range of $3.04 to $3.09 for 2014. Our forecast breaks down by quarter for the remainder of the year as follows:
$3.03 to $3.08 in the second quarter, $3.04 to $3.09 in the third quarter and $2.99 to $3.04 in the fourth quarter.
As of December 31, 2013, our deferred tax asset, which includes the $10.6 billion of NOL, was subject to a full val allowance. Mechanical utilization of this NOL in 2014, when profitable, does not result in a provision for taxes on our P&L. Using the midpoint of guidance we have provided, along with PRASM guidance Scott will give you, we expect our second quarter pretax margin to improve by more than 400 basis points year-over-year and to range between 10% and 12%. Looking at CapEx. Focus on the remainder of 2014 on integrating the airlines, while also making important investment in our fleet, product and operations. We're forecasting total net cash CapEx to be approximately $2.1 billion. This includes non-aircraft CapEx of $900 million and net aircraft CapEx of $1.2 billion. In summary, while this is very early in our integration, we are pleased with the results achieved thus far. I'd like to thank and congratulate all of our team members for their hard work and perseverance, particularly during the extremely difficult operating conditions in the first quarter. Thanks to their efforts, we have produced record financial results and have a tremendous start towards reaching our goal of restoring American to the world's greatest airline. With that, I'll turn it over to Scott.
J. Kirby:
Thanks, Derek, and I'd like to start by thanking all the people of American Airlines for the great job they did operationally during the first quarter in spite of the very difficult weather challenges. We've seen dramatic improvement in the operation, including a #1 on-time performance and #1 lowest mishandled baggage rate in January. Those are significant improvements in maintenance reliability, and the team is just running a great operation to start the second quarter.
On the revenue front, our first quarter RASM was up 2.9%. The revenue environment was good throughout the quarter, though it was impacted by weather and the movement of Easter timing. We saw particular strength in our domestic network, RASM up 6% year-over-year. Pacific RASM was up 9%. Latin RASM was down 1%, which, given industry capacity growth of 7% and challenges in Venezuela and Argentina, we view as a fairly strong performance. Atlantic RASM was down 2% as the US Airways network transitioned out of Star Alliance but didn't join oneworld until March 31 and, therefore, was unable to take alliance bookings throughout the quarter. We're still early in the integration process, but we continue to be pleased with the progress thus far. I've already highlighted some of the operational improvements that we've seen. But in the first quarter, we also had some major milestones, including a successful "Customer Day One" cutover. We implemented the largest codeshare in airline history. We converted US Airways from Star to oneworld, began integrating our frequent flyer programs, combined operations in additional 32 airports, started winning new corporate business in sales with the combined network. And we have many more initiatives underway. All the work we're doing leaves us even more confident that we'll be able to meet or exceed our prior synergy guidance. More synergies will start to flow through in future quarters, and the future costs and revenue opportunities, including tasks like rebanking the Miami hub will begin to be implemented when we publish our August schedule change. Turning to the outlook going forward. We feel quite good about the demand environment. Demand remains strong across all geographies, but domestic is still the strongest region in the world for us. Demand is also strong in the international markets, but high-capacity growth rates in all regions means that RASM comps will be more difficult than they are domestically. In spite of the high-capacity growth rates, however, we currently expect RASM to be up in all regions in the second quarter. Given the strength we see in demand, we expect combined consolidated RASM to be up 4% to 6% year-over-year in Q2. In conclusion, we're very encouraged with the operating results at American. The demand environment remains robust, and we're excited about the future opportunities and are moving quickly to realize those opportunities.
William Parker:
Excellent. That's all we have, operator. We are ready for questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first questions from John Godyn with Morgan Stanley.
John Godyn:
One of the -- one question I get a lot from investors is how can we have confidence that the integration in 2015 is going to go well because a lot of the integration activities are sort of deferred until that point. I'm just curious, Doug and Scott, if you could kind of talk about what you can get ahead of and how much clarity you have today on the integration that you need to do in 2015 just to get people comfortable with that risk.
William Parker:
Sure, I'll start [ph] and Scott can follow up. Thanks, John. First off, the point is valid. As I said in my comments, the hard work still lies ahead. And the biggest thing, of course, is reservations, migration at some point that will occur, not in 2014 but sometime in 2015. To -- what I'd note, though, is we're -- we are highly cognizant of the issue. We have teams, I think, well-designed plans, well designed to manage issue. And we are going to do everything we possibly can to ensure that it goes well. We have the benefit of seeing -- of having done, went through this ourselves and seeing others do it, know how important it is to do it well and can learn from those experiences. We also have the benefit of having labor and our employees behind and supportive of the process, which helps. And we've taken some care as it relates to systems to ensure that we are, for the most part, using what we call "adopt-and-go," going with the larger system to cause the least disruption for systems integration. All those things combined, we believe, will allow us to do all this in a way that is -- that will be managed effectively and efficiently. But it's fair to note that, that work still lies ahead, and we're going to do everything we can to make sure that we don't have some of the issues that have affected other airlines in the past. Scott?
J. Kirby:
Yes. I mean, I -- we can't know for sure what will happen, and I'm certain that we will have some issues. Doug described our process pretty well. What I would add is we've been through this -- many of us have been through this with the America West-US Airways once before. Many people on the American side have been through it with TWA, and we've had a really good start. We've done -- we haven't done the hardest things yet, like the res system cutover. But we've done some really big initiatives like the "Customer Day One" initiative and the integration movement of US Airways into oneworld and the codeshare implementation. And in this merger, those things were all more complicated because there was no relationship between US Airways and American premerger, unlike both the United and Delta merger. So those were much more complicated than they were anywhere else. So those were big deals, and we did those successfully with very minimal impacts. And that makes us feel good that the people we have working on it and the process is going to be successful when we finish everything.
John Godyn:
That's great. And Scott, on the 2Q PRASM, I thought I heard you say that Asia Pacific was up in the high single-digits. If I heard that right, could you just kind of elaborate on how you guys are approaching international differently than maybe some of the peers are, because you're seeing phenomenal results?
J. Kirby:
Yes, I think it's probably not an apples-to-oranges comparison for comparing us to the others because they have much bigger operations. And so we've done some things to improve slot times for example. And that has meaningful help, and we have -- as few of flights today to Asia as we do, those can have a big effect. One of the other things that's more structural is, I think, shares -- see some shifting of shares, we've seen pretty big double-digit improvement in our premium revenues, which is generally reflective of winning share. So I think we're doing a great job tactically on winning share. But I don't think we're directly comparable to the others just because we're so much smaller. We're doing well, but probably, not directly comparable to the others.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.
Jamie Baker:
First, a clarification for Derek. Your 10% to 12% operating margin -- I'm sorry, see, I made the mistake that everybody else has. Your 10% to 12% margin guide is a pretax number, not comparable to the 14%, 16% from Delta. Please clarify.
Derek Kerr:
Exactly correct. Yes, we believe pretax margins are the right way to look at it.
Jamie Baker:
Sorry to use your call as a soapbox, guys.
Derek Kerr:
Jamie, hold on.
William Parker:
Jamie, it's Doug. I'll use it as a soapbox. Now look this is -- I don't know how it's happened, but at some point in the last couple of years, the market or some -- or analysts or whoever are starting to look at operating margin for airlines, which is something, from my old CFO days, we worked really hard to get people to stop doing because it's not a good measure of -- in the airline business, it's an FTC [ph] measure, of course. But it's not a good measure for airlines because just because you would never look at a balance sheet debt without capitalizing operating leases. You shouldn't look at operating margins at airlines and think that doesn't include ownership costs because it does. It includes a lot of them. So we have always -- I don't know, it's -- I shouldn't take credit for this. You all remember Larry Kellner, back at Continental, got everyone convinced to stop looking at this years ago back when the airline made money a long time ago. And somehow, in between the time he started losing money and new analysts came around, people are looking at it again. But it's just -- it's not a valid measure to look at airline performance because if you want to look at operating performance, you want to get operating performance, look at EBITDAR margins. Quickly, people started saying, "Well I don't like to look at EBITDAR margins because it excludes too much." We agree with that. I think, the right measure to compare it on is pretax margins. So it's not a huge deal because I don't think there are big gaps between operating -- relatively between airlines. So it's just we don't -- we're not going to talk about operating margins because it's not a measure to look at operating performance for airlines. We -- so the numbers from American are going to be pretax margin numbers.
Jamie Baker:
Excellent. No pushback from me on that. That doesn't use up my time for the question, though, does it?
William Parker:
No, that was my speech.
Jamie Baker:
No, no. It was very valuable, Doug. I appreciate that, and I'm glad to see the market has gotten the message. I was going to ask you why you don't formalize the buyback program, but your prepared remarks sort of cut me off on that one. So a couple for Scott if I may. The Atlantic was your worst geography on a RASM basis. I'm curious if that's U.K.-specific or something broader and also any changes you might make in confronting that situation. And second, also for Scott, maybe Derek, Delta's move to a revenue-based frequent flyer program came after you had closed the merger. I'm curious if AAdvantage overhaul was part of the original synergy targets. Or as your competitors potentially lay down a new precedent, should we consider any hypothetical changes you make as incremental to what you've already guided on?
J. Kirby:
Okay. First across the Atlantic, our weakness was more in the old US Airways network, across all geographies in the US Airways network but more Continental Europe. And that was principally the fact that we weren't in an alliance, basically, for the first quarter. So we had no alliance bookings for the whole quarter, and we expect that to rectify. It probably does mean some capacity moves around within Europe because of -- because of moving out of Star and into oneworld. But I think that's probably the biggest explanation for the Atlantic. As to the frequent flyer program, we've started making some changes already. We did anticipate, when we merged, that we will get some synergies from the frequent flyer program, and actually, that's a big part of the synergies. But with regard to what Delta's done, we -- even if we wanted to change it, couldn't change it today because we've got so much work to do just to get the programs integrated. So our IT resources are a constraint and an appropriate constraint. And back to the first question on the call, we want to make sure the integration goes smoothly and goes well. And we know that IT is the biggest risk in that regard, and so we're not going to add on extra changes until we're finished with that. So any changes for us in conceptually changing the program probably are in next year sometime. But conceptually, it certainly makes sense to reward your best customers the most. So...
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Glenn Engel with Bank of America.
Glenn Engel:
We had Delta on their call talk about corporate revenues up about 6; United, about 2. Can you give us any flavor? And two, give us a flavor of just how business looks relative to leisure.
J. Kirby:
We were also up mid-single-digits on corporate revenue, and that's the number we've disclosed sometimes in the past. We're probably not going to disclose the specifics for the near term just because we need to get a normalized base. What that really means is, I can always make the corporate revenue number go up just by signing more corporate accounts, but that's not necessarily smart business. And so until we get to a kind of normalized base, which we were at US Airways so we were comfortable disclosing it, we're going to probably not talk about it. But we were also up mid-single-digits. I'd add that we've had some nice corporate wins in the sales team. It's anecdotal but a lot of anecdotes of winning corporate business and being able to use the power of the new network, particularly in places like New York, where you combine our transcon products with the shuttle flying, and that's just a powerful combination.
Glenn Engel:
Can you help us model...
J. Kirby:
So versus leisure. Business versus leisure, both are strong. I wouldn't classify one as stronger than the other. Both have been pretty strong. The first quarter, business revenues were distorted by the storms. I mean, the storms were significant enough that I think there actually probably was some lost revenue. Net of RASM is accretive, but there was some lost revenue because the storms were so bad. So that probably distorted the first quarter, but I think they're probably equally strong.
Glenn Engel:
Can you help us model income taxes for the year?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. They'll be no higher than $5 million each quarter. So what we had this quarter is probably what we'll have for the rest of the quarter for income taxes going forward for the rest of the year.
Operator:
And we will take our next question from Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.
Hunter Keay:
Scott, can you talk about the benefit of some of the new initiatives you guys just recently announced lately truing up some of the stuff on the fee side from your airline? And usually you talked about $1 billion in synergies, and I know on the last call, you talked about $400 million of incremental opportunities with rebanking. Would you maybe care to quantify some of these new initiatives? And would they be incremental to that $1.4 billion?
J. Kirby:
This is hard for me to -- because I don't things as here is a synergy and here's a change to the business. It's all improvement to the core results. And so, some of this probably was in the $1.4 billion. Some of it may not have been. What I would say is, which I said in my prepared remarks, too, but is, we feel increasingly confident that the $1 billion plus $400 million, so $1.4 billion, that we're going to meet or exceed that. The kinds of changes that we made 1 month or so ago, just increased that level of confidence that we're going to at least hit those numbers. But we're not increasing the level of guidance, but our confidence gets higher every day.
Hunter Keay:
Okay, that's great. And maybe another one for you, Scott, too. You're talking about rebanking Miami, DFW and O'Hare, are we can going to see that -- we're presumably going to see that in margins, but are we also going to see that in PRASM, too? And how should we think about maybe quantifying it, maybe first by hub and then the total all-in contribution once everything is all done on a full run-rate basis?
J. Kirby:
Yes. So you'll see it in PRASM and you'll see it in CASM. It will cause our CASM to go up in each of those hubs, but the profitability will go up more. The $400 million you talked about as rebanking, that's one of the elements of the $400 million, but it wasn't the only one. The other 2 big elements are putting our -- seat density, increasing seat density on the aircraft. So we're already in the process of doing that. It really won't get fully done until end of next summer actually, it will take a while. But it will start rolling out right away. That is RASM negative, CASM positive. Rebanking is RASM positive, CASM negative. And then the final one is variable scheduling, which is RASM positive and largely CASM neutral. So in total, all those mean that -- are worth about $400 million. So RASM goes up $400 million over CASM. But it will be different by each one of them. And they'll really start coming in with the August schedule change, it'll kind of be the first schedule changes. But these won't get fully ramped up probably until next summer, we'll be pretty close to be fully ramped up on this.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Michael Linenberg from Deutsche Bank.
Michael Linenberg:
Doug, just kind of going back to pretax versus operating, you sort of think about that volatility in the non-op area. And I guess you, to some extent, have been able to minimize that given your policy on hedging. Since the merger, I guess I'm asking, have you entered any new fuel hedges? And what are your thoughts on hedging on FX? I think American, historically, was a hedger in that area. Is that another area that you'll probably refrain from? Your thoughts on that>
William Parker:
Fuel, no change in our views on that, and don't anticipate doing any fuel hedging going forward. FX I'm looking...
J. Kirby:
American didn't hedge before, and we don't have any intent to start hedging. In most places, we have at least some balance of cost versus the currency. And the really the only place we have significant currency exposure is Venezuela. Less about conversion issues and more of -- or less about conversion and more about getting the money actually converted to dollars.
Michael Linenberg:
Okay, great. And then just back to sort of talking about metrics to focus on, like pretax margin. As you think about going forward, you sort of look at what some of the other carriers have done. They've either picked a metric or sort of a philosophy to get everybody on the team sort of working with the same playbook. Is that something that American rolls out, an ROIC target benchmark, an EPS growth rate benchmark, anything along those lines? Thoughts on that would be helpful.
William Parker:
Yes, yes, thanks, Mike. Yes, that's part of what I talked about -- what I was kind of getting at. Give us a few months to come back and tell you kind of what we think, to give you a better layout of our objective. Obviously, again, what I believe is -- look, we'll come back. I have a little bit of concern about those types of benchmarks. I think they undersell what the companies can do. I think our job is to go maximize profitability, to maximize return on capital. And I worry that companies that put targets in place like that, hit their target and then start spending on things instead of giving it back to the shareholders. So we want to be careful about that. We know -- I assure you that everything we're doing is focused on maximizing value for our shareholders. And in doing so, you need not worry that we're not looking at the right metrics. So we'll come back with the way we think. We plan to look at our business and we'll let you know how we plan to look at it on a going-forward basis. But it'll probably be different than what you're hearing from other airlines.
Michael Linenberg:
It's not a problem. I would say, look, the tax withholding buyback, I mean, look, that's just great evidence that you care a lot about the shareholders.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Helane Becker with Cowen.
Helane Becker:
Just 2 questions. One, on Venezuela, specifically. I didn't get a chance to read the 10-Q this morning. But did you make a provision for not getting that -- any of your money back?
Derek Kerr:
No, we did not.
Helane Becker:
Okay. And the other question I had is with respect to seasonality of the earnings. How should we think about that going forward now and doing our modeling? And my question is really, based on the fact that I think, Doug, last year at one point or in a conference recently, you had said that you thought you needed to do about $1.5 billion in revenue to cover the labor cost increases that you're going to experience or are experiencing. And the first quarter, you were certainly on track to exceed that level. And a, I wonder if, is that right, that $1.5 billion number; and, b, just address the seasonality part.
William Parker:
Okay. Again, the $1.5 billion, Helane, I believe is consistent with what Scott talked about, the $1 billion in net synergies, which was about $1.5 billion in synergies in the company, offset by this labor increase that we've already -- largely already incurred. So that's a synergy number, not a seasonality number. And then, again, Scott said now we added $400 million, so that's net of $1.4 billion, I'm sorry. So we feel good about those numbers, as stated. As to seasonality, I'll look to Derek and Scott, but I think what I would do if I were you, Helane, is add the 2 American and US Airways historical numbers and that seasonality between the 2 shouldn't change dramatically. You're going to need to figure out a ramp into synergies over time, but we tried to give you some direction on that as well. Derek?
Derek Kerr:
No, I was just going to follow up. I mean, I think the -- it's more second and third quarter similar seasonality, then the fourth quarter, and then goes to the first quarter. So I think that's the -- that's where you're at from seasonality and earnings for quarter purposes.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research.
Daniel McKenzie:
I guess, my first question is on capital expenditures. And I'm just wondering if the disclosure statement is still the best proxy we have for looking ahead 1 to 3 years. And then, also, what do we need to keep in mind? And I guess what I mean by that, are there investments, either IT or product improvements that you've decided that you might now need to make that were not included initially because of the disclosure, sort of gross CapEx outlook? It seems like aircraft orders are moving around. Even any kind of directional commentary would be helpful.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, I think, Dan, the -- I mean, I haven't looked at disclosure segment in a while, so I'm not sure exactly where that is. But the run rate for non-op capital expenditures, we have about $900 million this year. I believe it'll ramp to somewhere in the $750 million going forward. That will include the $1.2 billion that we talked about to integrate the 2 airlines. So that'll be in that number. So I would expect that $900 million to ramp down to $750 million and then, overtime, be down a little bit more than that. The CapEx on aircraft, as we've talked about even on the last call, it's about $5.5 billion this year from an aircraft perspective. And then going forward, for at least the next 5 years, it is in that range. What we've tried to guide to now is what we believe will be the net of financing versus cash going out the door, which is the $1.2 billion that we have in our net aircraft CapEx and PDPs. That can vary depending on what we want to do going forward and how we want to finance aircraft. Most of the financings are committed to in 2014, all the leases and the things are all committed to. So that's a pretty good number in 2014. For 2015 and beyond, it just depends on -- we'll try to guide to that as we move forward. But there's just decisions we'll have to make in 2015 and beyond on financing of aircraft and how we finance those planes as they come forward.
Daniel McKenzie:
Understood. Okay, I appreciate that. And then, secondly, I'm wondering if you can talk about -- following up on the Venezuelan question earlier. I'm wondering if you could talk about what steps you've taken to limit your exposure to bolivars? And then just also talk about capacity in Latin American in general, looks like it's going to be up about 10% in the second quarter. And I appreciate the commentary for PRASM to be up in all regions, so that's encouraging. But I'm just wondering if you can talk about how you're working with LAN and TAM and how you're managing that geographic entity.
J. Kirby:
Well, we're pretty heavily engaged with the government on what's going to happen with the historical repatriations that we need to get. And we just don't have much to disclose. We don't have a way to hedge or change our exposure to bolivars, there's no mechanism for doing that. And so we are exposed to Venezuela, which is about 1.4% of our revenues. And we continue to work with the Venezuelan government on getting the money back.
Daniel McKenzie:
And then capacity, just in general, to Latin America?
J. Kirby:
In general, to Latin America, our capacity is up, overlapping with a lot of new service that started last year. But our capacity is up, I think about 7% in the next quarter and industry's up just a little bit more than that. So there is a lot of capacity from Latin America for the year.
Daniel McKenzie:
I get it. But I was just wondering if you can talk about, is there an opportunity to talk with LAN and TAM on managing that dynamic?
J. Kirby:
No, we don't have a joint business with them, and so that would be illegal.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from David Fintzen with Barclays.
David Fintzen:
A question for Scott, just on the timing of scheduled changes for summaries. And I had it in my head, Miami was getting rebanked more in the spring than post-summer. And then maybe the way to ask this is, as you think about kind of where you were post -- on deal close, in terms of the changes you wanted to make, kind of how are you tracking? Are you finding it sort of more comfortable in making sizable schedule changes? Or is there sort of a learning curve that's taking a little bit longer? Just kind of curious how that's tracking.
J. Kirby:
Well, the Miami schedule change, for example, is tracking exactly when we expected it to be. We always targeted the mid-August schedule change. The reason for that is, you need to get a schedule loaded 90 to 120 days in advance before -- so the customers can book it. And then you need some time to develop it, and particularly for such a change like this, you need time for the operations to be prepared for it, to review it. We're spending a lot of time with the folks involved in customs and border patrol in Miami to help with staffing issues there, and help increase the throughput, because it's something that's good for Miami and South Florida. But we're going to need help. So to get all that done and be prepared for the August schedule change, I think, is a -- I'm the most optimistic and aggressive guy around these things. And that's about as aggressive as I would've expected it to be. And in general, that's true of everything that's happening. Things are going -- decisions are being made fast. The IT has been responsive on getting us the changes in a time frame that we can get the things implement it. We feel really good about the timing and how quickly we're moving on synergy issues.
David Fintzen:
And then, do you need to see a bit of Miami to kind of have some lessons off of that before you start to do the same in Chicago and Dallas? Or can that be a pretty quick process?
J. Kirby:
No. We're working on the Chicago and Dallas schedule changes now. So we've finished with Miami. And the scheduling teams and the ops teams that worked on Miami have now turned their attention first to Chicago, and then Dallas will come after that. But there -- I mean, we will, I'm sure, learn lessons that can be incorporated into what we do there. But we will be building the schedules and loading the schedules, assuming that Miami is going to work and just moving forward.
David Fintzen:
Right. Okay, that makes sense. And just a quick one on the domestic versus international RASM in the second quarter. I mean, you mentioned, obviously, domestic higher than international's implicitly what you said -- you didn't say it explicitly. Is that -- how much wider is that spread than the first quarter? I mean, is that gapping out pretty dramatically, or is that a more subtle change?
J. Kirby:
I don't know. I mean, it was a decent size in the first quarter. So my guess is it'll be similar in the second quarter. It might even be a little wider, because capacity gets higher. But I don't have that sitting right in front of me, but capacity growth is a little bit more in the second quarter internationally, and so I would guess that spread will widen a little, if anything.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Thomas Kim from Goldman Sachs.
Thomas Kim:
I'd like to start off with a big-picture question with regard to your thoughts on the price volume mix for the domestic market. What are your thoughts about load factor, that 84%? I mean, do you think this is optimal? And then, I guess, related to that, to what extent do you think you can manage your revenue mix by pushing pricing a little bit further, even if it is at the expense of traffic?
J. Kirby:
Well, that's not a simple question. Actually, Steve Johnson is shaking his head at me. We're always trying to maximize revenue. And sometimes, that is lowering fares and sometimes that's raising fares. I think we do a pretty good job of it, and we'll continue doing that.
Thomas Kim:
I guess, presumably -- and I guess, also, another way of looking at it might be just regard to that corporate versus leisure mix. What sort of hard -- how much more upside do you potentially see with regard to the corporate share gains or corporate share growth as we look forward? I mean, the run rate that you highlighted for Q1, is that something we -- mid single-digit, is that something we could foresee going forward for Q2, Q3? Just given the sort of positive commentary out of somebody else who sees [ph] earlier today with regard to the outlook for demand?
J. Kirby:
Well, I think our outlook for demand across the industry is ripe and it's robust, both in corporate and in leisure. I think that specific to American Airlines, we will increase our share of both such businesses as a result of the merger, but more so in the corporate business, and that is part of our synergies. I think we will carry more business traffic than we would have. The combined airline will carry more business traffic than we would've individually. And so that we will -- effectively, we will win share. And I think that is going to happen. I think it's already starting to happen. But as you get the networks integrated, as you get to a single -- get to be a single airline, that will just improve over time.
Daniel McKenzie:
And just as a follow-on to that, more specific to the Atlantic, particularly the New York-London route. How has your share sort of evolved the last couple of quarters? And do you see that this might change with regard to the JV as presumably the competitiveness could increase with Delta going forward? Do you think you need to do anything differently with regard to what you're doing today? And do you potentially see risk to pricing as that JV ramps?
J. Kirby:
Well, I'm somewhat new to this, so I can't give you the real historical perspective. But I can say that the U.K. looks strong for us. We continue to do very well with the premium customers' end markets, like JFK to London. The pricing environment has actually improved out of the U.K. And so we're quite optimistic, we have a great partnership with British Airways, and it's a partnership, too, that we have attention at the highest level, both there and here, to try and maximize revenue. And I think people that are open-minded on both sides of the Atlantic about learning from things that all 3 of the airlines did, US Airways, American and BA, and maximizing revenues. So I feel really optimistic about that JV and our ability, over time, to improve performance across the Atlantic and improve performance out of the U.K. But for now, the U.K. looks pretty good.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Savanthi Syth:
Just a couple of quick follow-up questions. On Venezuela, how much of that 1.1% -- 1.5% of revenue is actually in bolivars versus U.S. dollars? And also, I think the government was going to treat 2013 revenue and 2014 separately, and I was wondering if you've gotten paid for 2014?
J. Kirby:
The -- it's about 90% sold in Venezuela, so about 90% of the revenue is bolivars on those routes. And we have gotten paid for January of 2014, which is kind of the normal repatriation schedule, and we're hopeful we'll get paid for February in the near future. And we're talking to them about the 2013. And actually, we have some 2012 as well. But that 2012 and 2013 balance is about $700 and something million.
Savanthi Syth:
And then on just on the nonfuel cost. It looks like maybe the guidance for the year improved a bit. And I was just wondering where that was coming from despite maybe lower overall ASM.
Derek Kerr:
Yes, it's really just a change in the way we're going to give guidance to better do the modeling. So we changed it to just CASM x fuel and special items. So it really is -- I think it's closer to -- it's right on, there's no real change in CASM guidance from a nonfuel cost perspective. It's just the way we're looking at it as x fuel and x special versus x fuel, x special and x profit-sharing.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Just on your order book. The 30 options -- or the 30 firm that converted to options, I guess, out in 2020. How should we interpret that? Is this kind of like the first baby step towards maybe a broader restructuring or is this sort of all you can do?
Derek Kerr:
Well, it's something that we can do right now, and we could do, so we've done that. We're going to constantly look at the order book and look at what we have, but that's just something that we can do this point in time. Right now, we don't have any rights to do anything else. We're happy with the orders that are out there. But it's something that we're going to look at going forward as we look at whole capital structure of the -- as we look at whole airline. But as of right now, we don't plan on making any other changes to the order book.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
Is it a function of -- I mean, this merger basically just closed and obviously, you have lots of priorities and lots of opportunities to improve top line and probably your cost structure. Is it a function of sequence or is it a function of really there's not as much flexibility as some of us might assume?
William Parker:
Well, and function of desire. Look, the airplanes are good capital investments that are replacing much older airplanes that are NPV positive capital commitments. So they are airplanes -- they are investments that the company wants to make and should make to modernize the fleet. So I don't think a major change in the order book would be in our shareholders' interest, whether there are ways to move some things around and fine-tune it, perhaps. But we're comfortable with the flexibility we have because we have with this, either the ability to stay essentially the same size as we have currently come in, and retire older planes, or have some modest growth if demand warrants. So we actually like where we are in terms of flexibility as it relates to the order book. The issue that was disclosed is one where, per the contract, American had lined up some financing with Airbus and per the -- and had the foresight to say, if we don't need this financing, which we now don't need given this performance, that we will have the flexibility to reduce some of the aircraft. And we availed ourselves of that flexibility because we're not going to use the financing.
Duane Pfennigwerth:
That's very helpful. And then just lastly, you mentioned we'd get an update on capital return, or at least your thinking. Can you give us some insight into the criteria or what you need to see as you evaluate next steps there?
William Parker:
Sure, just a little more time really. I mean, we're so focused on getting the airlines together and integrating and making -- and we want to be sure we do it right. So I think we all know directionally where we should be headed, and we're headed directionally in that area. It's just a matter of -- before we go make an announcement, we want to make sure that we've thought out all the issues and have done it right. So we'll do it thoughtfully, but also I think in a way that everyone will be pleased with the results.
Operator:
And now, we will begin taking questions from any media that is on the conference. [Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Terry Maxon with Dallas Morning News.
Terry Maxon:
We have Virgin and America scheduling announcement on Friday. Could you confirm that American is divesting the 2 gates at Love Field to that carrier?
J. Kirby:
No.
William Parker:
We cannot. We cannot We can confirm that, per the agreement with the Department of Justice, we agreed to divest those gates, but we have no other knowledge.
Terry Maxon:
You have no other knowledge?
Stephen Johnson:
This is Steve. We know that there are discussions going on. There are discussions among the 2 airlines, among -- and Dallas and the City of Dallas that owns the airport. But Southwest and Delta are still making a case that they should be entitled to this and will -- there'll be, I think, still a couple of weeks before we know how this is all going to settle.
William Parker:
And Terry -- Steve, correct me if I'm wrong. But Terry, the distinction, of course, of gates versus the slots. Slots were owned by the company, and these gates are owned by the city of Dallas.
Stephen Johnson:
Yes.
Terry Maxon:
Yes, they're not actually in slots at Dallas Love Field.
William Parker:
Right. Not slots, they're gates and -- anyway, we're involved somewhat. We're not -- we've agreed that we won't use them and the city's working with airlines as much as we are.
Terry Maxon:
Okay. Well, would -- some announcements then premature?
Stephen Johnson:
Well, I'll say that I was surprised when I found out that they had called a press conference.
Terry Maxon:
Okay, was that Steve?
Stephen Johnson:
Yes.
Terry Maxon:
Yes, okay. And I'll try a follow-up question. Spirit announced another expansion, I think, Kansas City and maybe Houston, this week. Are they still small enough that they're not a real bother to American Airlines? Or are they of such sufficient size that they're affecting your pricing and planning?
J. Kirby:
I would certainly never use the characterization that you used before they added growth or after. They're a competitor. They're a real competitor. They do well. And we care about them and competing with them and watch carefully what they do. We did before and we'll do after this as well.
Terry Maxon:
Was that Derek?
J. Kirby:
That's Scott.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Susan Carey from the Wall Street Journal.
Susan Carey:
I'm sorry, but I missed Derek's explanation about what the storms cost the company in the way of revenue hit, and hit to the net. Can you just reprise those numbers, Derek, please?
Derek Kerr:
Yes. Sure, Susan. Cancellations impacted revenue by $115 million.
Susan Carey:
1-1-5?
Derek Kerr:
1-1-5, yes. And then net operating profit by $60 million, 6-0.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Andrea Ahles with Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Andrea Ahles:
I was wondering if you could talk a little bit of the future of Envoy Airlines now that the pilots had rejected the contract. Have you found another carrier that you want to use? A regional carrier that you want to use for the new regional jets you have coming online this year? Can you give any sort of color about the future of Envoy?
J. Kirby:
So we are in final negotiations with a couple of providers for placing the 175s. I'm not sure when we'll announce them. But at some point, we will, I believe, announce something. As to the future of Envoy, still a very important part of the airline. And we hope someday to be able to fly large regional jets at Envoy still. And we also want that Envoy to be a place, regardless of the latest contract, that the pilots can go and ultimately transition to the mainline here at American.
Andrea Ahles:
So when you mentioned a couple of providers that you are in final negotiations with, is Envoy not one of those?
J. Kirby:
No, it's not.
Operator:
We'll take our next question from Linda Loyd with The Philadelphia Inquirer.
Linda Loyd:
What is the seasonal capacity that you will be ending early? And when will this capacity be ending? And are any of these transatlantic flights out of Philadelphia?
J. Kirby:
I'm not sure. I don't think any of them are out of Philadelphia, but I'm not 100% sure. And it's a couple of Charlotte routes. Brussels and Belgium [ph].
Linda Loyd:
And when you say ending early, you mean September instead of October, that sort of thing?
J. Kirby:
Yes.
Operator:
We'll take our next version from Karen Jacobs with Reuters.
Karen Jacobs:
I just had a question. I was just wondering if you're concerned about pilot availability issues with your regional carriers? There's been a lot of attention on that, as you know, this year.
William Parker:
Robert?
Robert Isom:
Karen, it's Robert Isom, the Chief Operating Officer. I think the concerns are warranted, but we see those as being down the road quite a bit. For now, if you take a look at our operation, certainly from a mainline perspective, and the regional carriers that we have that have some growth. They're operating and doing well and able to attract pilots.
Operator:
And we'll take our next question from Henry Harteveldt with Atmosphere Research.
Henry Harteveldt:
I have a question about main cabin extra. Is there any consideration about turning that into more of a true premium economy cabin on any of your longer-haul flights, whether transcon or international?
J. Kirby:
Nothing imminent, but we have a fantastic transcon product already. If you've not had the chance, you should go fly the A321 Transcon product. So we have a fantastic transcon product, it's not like regular NCE [ph]. And nothing imminent planned across the Atlantic, although that is one of the things that British Airways, their premium economy product, they do really well. And they're our partner. And so to the extent there's something we can learn and put at American Airlines, we are very open to that. That's one of the things that we're talking to them about. We don't have anything imminently planned.
Operator:
And we have no further questions in queue. I would now like to turn the call back over to our speakers for any additional or closing remarks.
William Parker:
Excellent. Thank you very much for all your interest. Again, I want to thank the whole team for the great job they've done in producing these record profits, and we're looking forward to having similar or better results in the future. Thank you, all, very much for your time.
Operator:
And this does conclude today's conference call. Thank you, all, for your participation. You may now disconnect.