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Executives
Name | Title | Pay |
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Ms. Hope D. Mehlman | Executive Vice President, Chief Legal Officer, General Counsel & Corporate Secretary | 4.42M |
Mr. Daniel Peter Capozzi | Executive Vice President & President of Consumer Banking | 913K |
Mr. Eric Edmund Wasserstrom | Head of Investor Relations | -- |
Mr. Keith E. Toney | Executive Vice President and President of Credit & Decision Management | 1.12M |
Ms. Shifra Kolsky | Chief Accounting Officer, Senior Vice President & Controller | -- |
Ms. Leslie Sutton | Vice President of Corporate Communications | -- |
Ms. Carolyn Diane Blair | Executive Vice President & Chief Human Resources Officer | -- |
Mr. Jason J. Strle | Executive Vice President & Chief Information Officer | -- |
Mr. J. Michael Shepherd | Interim Chief Executive Officer, President & Director | 60.4K |
Mr. John Thomas Greene | Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer | 1.33M |
Insider Transactions
Date | Name | Title | Acquisition Or Disposition | Stock / Options | # of Shares | Price |
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2024-08-01 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Pres.-Credit & Dec. Mgmt. | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 626 | 136.17 |
2024-08-01 | Strle Jason | EVP, Chief Information Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 964 | 136.17 |
2024-08-01 | Hanson Jason P. | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 876 | 136.17 |
2024-05-09 | Sibblies Beverley A | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1532 | 0 |
2024-05-09 | Wong Jennifer L. | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1532 | 0 |
2024-05-09 | Rawlinson David | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1532 | 0 |
2024-05-09 | MAHERAS THOMAS G | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1532 | 0 |
2024-05-09 | Owen John B | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1532 | 0 |
2024-05-09 | O'Leary-Gill Daniela | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1532 | 0 |
2024-05-09 | Lonowski Kathy | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1532 | 0 |
2024-05-09 | Eazor Joseph F | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1532 | 0 |
2024-05-09 | Duncan Candace H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1532 | 0 |
2024-05-01 | Hellen Amy | EVP, CRO and CCO | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 208 | 123.58 |
2024-04-22 | Werwath Karl | EVP, Chief Transformation Ofc. | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7894 | 0 |
2024-04-22 | Werwath Karl | - | 0 | 0 | ||
2024-04-15 | Hellen Amy | EVP, CRO and CCO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 4122 | 0 |
2024-04-15 | Hellen Amy | EVP, CRO and CCO | D - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2024-04-12 | RHODES MICHAEL GEORGE | CEO and President | D - D-Return | Common Stock | 110611 | 0 |
2024-04-01 | SHEPHERD MICHAEL | Interim CEO & President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 44443 | 0 |
2024-03-20 | Blair Carolyn D | EVP, Chief HR Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11629 | 0 |
2024-03-18 | Blair Carolyn D | - | 0 | 0 | ||
2024-02-22 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Pres.-Credit & Dec. Mgmt. | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 19713 | 0 |
2024-02-22 | Strle Jason | EVP, Chief Information Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 19414 | 0 |
2024-02-22 | ROEMER MICHAEL E | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 13576 | 0 |
2024-02-22 | RHODES MICHAEL GEORGE | CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 63355 | 0 |
2024-02-22 | Mehlman Hope | EVP, CLO, GC & Corp. Sec. | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3621 | 0 |
2024-02-22 | Mehlman Hope | EVP, CLO, GC & Corp. Sec. | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 15504 | 0 |
2024-02-22 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller & CAO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2743 | 0 |
2024-02-22 | Hanson Jason P. | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 17649 | 0 |
2024-02-22 | Greene John | EVP, Chief Financial Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 9051 | 0 |
2024-02-22 | Greene John | EVP, Chief Financial Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 29324 | 0 |
2024-02-22 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 26609 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Pres.-Credit & Dec. Mgmt. | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 9584 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Pres.-Credit & Dec. Mgmt. | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 5322 | 106.56 |
2024-02-01 | ROEMER MICHAEL E | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3539 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | ROEMER MICHAEL E | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1698 | 106.56 |
2024-02-01 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller & CAO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1941 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 979 | 106.56 |
2024-02-01 | Hanson Jason P. | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 5798 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | Hanson Jason P. | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 2719 | 106.56 |
2024-02-01 | Greene John | EVP, Chief Financial Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 21801 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | Greene John | EVP, Chief Financial Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 12290 | 106.56 |
2024-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 21801 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 12433 | 106.56 |
2024-02-01 | Mehlman Hope | EVP, CLO, GC & Corp. Sec. | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1363 | 106.56 |
2024-02-01 | RHODES MICHAEL GEORGE | CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 47256 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | RHODES MICHAEL GEORGE | CEO and President | D - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | RHODES MICHAEL GEORGE | CEO and President | I - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | RHODES MICHAEL GEORGE | CEO and President | I - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | RHODES MICHAEL GEORGE | CEO and President | I - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | RHODES MICHAEL GEORGE | CEO and President | I - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2024-02-01 | RHODES MICHAEL GEORGE | CEO and President | I - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2024-01-31 | Owen John B | Interim CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 15164 | 105.52 |
2024-01-31 | Owen John B | Interim CEO and President | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1463 | 105.52 |
2024-01-31 | Owen John B | Interim CEO and President | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 614 | 105.52 |
2024-01-26 | Greene John | EVP, Chief Financial Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 35191 | 106.51 |
2023-09-05 | Lonowski Kathy | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1235 | 0 |
2023-09-05 | Lonowski Kathy | - | 0 | 0 | ||
2023-08-14 | Owen John B | Interim CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 4871 | 0 |
2023-08-14 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - D-Return | Common Stock | 21286 | 0 |
2023-08-14 | SHEPHERD MICHAEL | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1243 | 0 |
2023-08-14 | SHEPHERD MICHAEL | - | 0 | 0 | ||
2023-08-01 | ROEMER MICHAEL E | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 207 | 104.82 |
2023-07-18 | Strle Jason | EVP, Chief Information Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 6574 | 0 |
2023-07-18 | Strle Jason | officer | - | 0 | 0 | |
2023-07-03 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Data & Analytics | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 4235 | 0 |
2023-07-03 | Hanson Jason P. | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 5928 | 0 |
2023-06-30 | Hanson Jason P. | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2023-06-14 | O'Leary-Gill Daniela | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1331 | 0 |
2023-06-14 | O'Leary-Gill Daniela | - | 0 | 0 | ||
2023-05-11 | Wong Jennifer L. | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1774 | 0 |
2023-05-11 | Thierer Mark | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1774 | 0 |
2023-05-11 | Rawlinson David | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1774 | 0 |
2023-05-11 | Owen John B | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1774 | 0 |
2023-05-11 | MAHERAS THOMAS G | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1774 | 0 |
2023-05-11 | Eazor Joseph F | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1774 | 0 |
2023-05-11 | Duncan Candace H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1774 | 0 |
2023-05-11 | Case Gregory C | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1774 | 0 |
2023-05-11 | BUSH MARY K | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1774 | 0 |
2023-05-11 | ARONIN JEFFREY S | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1774 | 0 |
2023-05-11 | Sibblies Beverley A | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1774 | 0 |
2023-05-11 | Sibblies Beverley A | - | 0 | 0 | ||
2023-03-03 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 13477 | 114.18 |
2023-02-23 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Data & Analytics | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7047 | 0 |
2023-02-23 | ROEMER MICHAEL E | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 4879 | 0 |
2023-02-23 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 8221 | 0 |
2023-02-23 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 8221 | 0 |
2023-02-23 | Mehlman Hope | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 4675 | 0 |
2023-02-23 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller & CAO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1243 | 0 |
2023-02-23 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 21286 | 0 |
2023-02-23 | Greene John | EVP, Chief Financial Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 9960 | 0 |
2023-02-23 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7047 | 0 |
2023-02-23 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, President - US Cards | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 9960 | 0 |
2023-02-10 | ROEMER MICHAEL E | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 498 | 115 |
2023-02-02 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 7000 | 118 |
2023-02-01 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Data & Analytics | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3033 | 0 |
2023-02-01 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Data & Analytics | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 4729 | 115.83 |
2023-02-01 | ROEMER MICHAEL E | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 430 | 115.83 |
2023-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 25196 | 0 |
2023-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 14727 | 115.83 |
2023-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 25196 | 0 |
2023-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 13736 | 115.83 |
2023-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 7000 | 115.65 |
2023-02-01 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller & CAO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 810 | 0 |
2023-02-01 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 598 | 115.83 |
2023-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 96893 | 0 |
2023-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 49872 | 115.83 |
2023-02-01 | Greene John | EVP, Chief Financial Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 25196 | 0 |
2023-02-01 | Greene John | EVP, Chief Financial Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 14083 | 115.83 |
2023-02-01 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 19796 | 0 |
2023-02-01 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 10945 | 115.83 |
2023-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, President - US Cards | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 21599 | 0 |
2023-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, President - US Cards | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 12397 | 115.83 |
2023-02-01 | Arooni Amir S | EVP, Chief Information Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 3789 | 115.83 |
2023-01-09 | Mehlman Hope | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 8664 | 0 |
2023-01-09 | Mehlman Hope | None | None - | None | None | None |
2023-01-09 | Mehlman Hope | officer | - | 0 | 0 | |
2022-12-06 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 10000 | 0 |
2022-12-07 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 10000 | 0 |
2022-12-07 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - J-Other | Non-Recourse Loan (call option - right to buy) | 80876 | 0 |
2022-12-07 | Moskow Michael H | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 1291 | 105.1 |
2022-12-02 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 625 | 105.4 |
2022-12-02 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 657 | 105.4 |
2022-12-02 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 298 | 105.4 |
2022-11-30 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 925 | 0 |
2022-08-01 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 11659 | 102.22 |
2022-08-01 | ROEMER MICHAEL E | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 207 | 102.22 |
2022-08-01 | Greene John | EVP, Chief Financial Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1752 | 102.22 |
2022-06-06 | Owen John B | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1404 | 0 | |
2022-06-06 | Owen John B | - | 0 | 0 | ||
2022-05-19 | Wong Jennifer L. | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1634 | 0 | |
2022-05-19 | Thierer Mark | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1634 | 0 | |
2022-05-19 | Rawlinson David | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1634 | 0 | |
2022-05-19 | Moskow Michael H | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1634 | 0 | |
2022-05-19 | MAHERAS THOMAS G | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1634 | 0 | |
2022-05-19 | Glassman Cynthia A | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1634 | 0 | |
2022-05-19 | Eazor Joseph F | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1634 | 0 | |
2022-05-19 | Duncan Candace H | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1634 | 0 | |
2022-05-19 | Case Gregory C | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1634 | 0 | |
2022-05-19 | BUSH MARY K | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1634 | 0 | |
2022-05-19 | ARONIN JEFFREY S | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1634 | 0 | |
2022-03-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 13000 | 0 |
2022-03-04 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 19703 | 0 |
2022-03-04 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - G-Gift | Common Stock | 19703 | 0 |
2022-03-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - G-Gift | Common Stock | 13000 | 0 |
2022-02-25 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 5768 | 0 |
2022-02-25 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Data & Analytics | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 5123 | 0 |
2022-02-25 | ROEMER MICHAEL E | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 4678 | 0 |
2022-02-25 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 8064 | 0 |
2022-02-25 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7339 | 0 |
2022-02-25 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7339 | 0 |
2022-02-25 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller & CAO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 956 | 0 |
2022-02-25 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 16128 | 0 |
2022-02-25 | Greene John | EVP, Chief Financial Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7339 | 0 |
2022-02-25 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 6735 | 0 |
2022-02-28 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 3643 | 0 |
2022-02-25 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, President - US Cards | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 8306 | 0 |
2022-02-25 | Arooni Amir S | EVP, Chief Information Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 6710 | 0 |
2022-02-15 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 800 | 127 |
2022-02-15 | Greene John | EVP, Chief Financial Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4443 | 127.946 |
2022-02-10 | ROEMER MICHAEL E | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 528 | 124.77 |
2022-02-09 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, President - US Cards | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8649 | 124.59 |
2022-02-01 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1647 | 118.02 |
2022-02-01 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Data & Analytics | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 2647 | 118.02 |
2022-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 20232 | 0 |
2022-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 12127 | 118.02 |
2022-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 20232 | 0 |
2022-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 12127 | 118.02 |
2022-02-01 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 360 | 118.02 |
2022-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 82292 | 0 |
2022-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 43733 | 118.02 |
2022-02-01 | Greene John | EVP, Chief Financial Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 2079 | 118.02 |
2022-02-01 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11923 | 0 |
2022-02-01 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 7500 | 118.02 |
2022-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, President - US Cards | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11923 | 0 |
2022-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, President - US Cards | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 7919 | 118.02 |
2022-02-01 | Arooni Amir S | EVP, Chief Information Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 2813 | 118.02 |
2021-11-15 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 14056 | 0 |
2021-12-03 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 826 | 108.67 |
2021-12-03 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 393 | 108.67 |
2021-12-03 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 393 | 108.67 |
2021-11-10 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 4237 | 0 |
2021-11-01 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 953 | 114.66 |
2021-10-26 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3200 | 123.93 |
2021-10-26 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 800 | 0 |
2021-10-25 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 22000 | 123.679 |
2021-08-30 | Eazor Joseph F | director | D - J-Other | Common Stock | 4721 | 0 |
2021-08-06 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - E-ExpireShort | Non-Recourse Loan (call option - obligation to sell) | 74410 | 36.39 |
2021-08-05 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 680 | 0 |
2021-08-06 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 1320 | 0 |
2021-08-04 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller and CAO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 800 | 127.1088 |
2021-08-04 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15000 | 127 |
2021-08-01 | Greene John | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1752 | 124.32 |
2021-08-01 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 11457 | 124.32 |
2021-07-28 | BUSH MARY K | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3824 | 123.21 |
2021-07-12 | ROEMER MICHAEL E | EVP, CRO and CCO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1573 | 0 |
2021-07-12 | ROEMER MICHAEL E | EVP, CRO and CCO | D - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2021-05-07 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 12650 | 0 |
2021-05-06 | Moskow Michael H | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3824 | 115.97 |
2021-05-05 | Moskow Michael H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1291 | 0 |
2021-05-05 | Wong Jennifer L. | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1291 | 0 |
2021-05-05 | Thierer Mark | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1291 | 0 |
2021-05-05 | Rawlinson David | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1291 | 0 |
2021-05-05 | MAHERAS THOMAS G | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1291 | 0 |
2021-05-05 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1291 | 0 |
2021-05-05 | Eazor Joseph F | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1291 | 0 |
2021-05-05 | Duncan Candace H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1291 | 0 |
2021-05-05 | Case Gregory C | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1291 | 0 |
2021-05-05 | BUSH MARY K | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1291 | 0 |
2021-05-05 | ARONIN JEFFREY S | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1291 | 0 |
2021-04-30 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15000 | 114.0175 |
2021-04-30 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 9724 | 114.0843 |
2021-04-26 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, President - US Cards | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 9970 | 106.2982 |
2021-02-26 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller and CAO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 900 | 93.77 |
2021-02-19 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 20230 | 0 |
2021-02-10 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 20000 | 0 |
2021-02-19 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 9690 | 0 |
2021-02-19 | Greene John | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | D - A-Award | Common Stock | 9690 | 0 |
2021-02-19 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7615 | 0 |
2021-02-19 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres - Cr Ops & Dec Mgmt | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 9690 | 0 |
2021-02-19 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller and CAO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1294 | 0 |
2021-02-19 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 9690 | 0 |
2021-02-19 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Data and Analytics | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 4259 | 0 |
2021-02-19 | Arooni Amir S | EVP, Chief Information Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 8859 | 0 |
2021-02-19 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 6444 | 0 |
2021-02-19 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7615 | 0 |
2021-02-22 | Rawlinson David | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 394 | 0 |
2021-02-22 | Rawlinson David | - | 0 | 0 | ||
2021-02-17 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 495 | 0 |
2021-02-08 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 10000 | 93.9144 |
2021-02-05 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres - Cr Ops & Dec Mgmt | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 5947 | 93.23 |
2021-02-04 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 19260 | 88 |
2021-01-27 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 230 | 0 |
2021-02-04 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 25000 | 90.7146 |
2021-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 25392 | 0 |
2021-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 17190 | 82.19 |
2021-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 13443 | 0 |
2021-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 8976 | 82.19 |
2021-02-01 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller and CAO | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 345 | 82.19 |
2021-02-01 | Greene John | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1146 | 82.19 |
2021-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 13443 | 0 |
2021-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 8976 | 82.19 |
2021-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres - Cr Ops & Dec Mgmt | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 5335 | 0 |
2021-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres - Cr Ops & Dec Mgmt | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 3689 | 82.19 |
2021-02-01 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 919 | 82.19 |
2021-02-01 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7042 | 0 |
2021-02-01 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 4353 | 82.19 |
2021-02-01 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Data and Analytics | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 2207 | 82.19 |
2021-02-01 | Arooni Amir S | EVP, Chief Information Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1863 | 82.19 |
2021-02-01 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1594 | 82.19 |
2020-12-17 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 44534 | 87.48 |
2020-11-06 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 1519 | 67.7671 |
2020-11-02 | Kolsky Shifra | SVP, Controller and CAO | D - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2020-10-28 | Toney Keith E | EVP, Data and Analytics | D - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2020-08-01 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 9916 | 49.43 |
2020-07-31 | BUSH MARY K | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 1920 | 49.2301 |
2020-08-01 | Greene John | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1159 | 49.43 |
2020-05-14 | Case Gregory C | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3824 | 0 |
2020-05-14 | Thierer Mark | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3824 | 0 |
2020-05-14 | Eazor Joseph F | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3824 | 0 |
2020-05-14 | ARONIN JEFFREY S | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3824 | 0 |
2020-05-14 | MAHERAS THOMAS G | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3824 | 0 |
2020-05-14 | Duncan Candace H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3824 | 0 |
2020-05-14 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3824 | 0 |
2020-05-14 | Wong Jennifer L. | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3824 | 0 |
2020-05-14 | Moskow Michael H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3824 | 0 |
2020-05-14 | BUSH MARY K | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3824 | 0 |
2020-05-13 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - J-Other | Non-Recourse Loan (call option - obligation to sell) | 74410 | 36.39 |
2020-05-13 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - J-Other | Non-Recourse Loan (call option - right to buy) | 74410 | 36.39 |
2020-05-06 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | A - P-Purchase | Common Stock | 12650 | 39.5 |
2020-03-23 | Arooni Amir S | EVP, Chief Information Officer | D - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2020-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 36825 | 0 |
2020-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 20952 | 75.13 |
2020-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 19235 | 0 |
2020-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 11319 | 75.13 |
2020-02-01 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP, Chief Information Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 13563 | 0 |
2020-02-01 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP, Chief Information Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 7469 | 75.13 |
2020-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 19235 | 0 |
2020-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 11320 | 75.13 |
2020-02-01 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2312 | 0 |
2020-02-01 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1330 | 75.13 |
2020-02-01 | Loeger Julie A | EVP, President - US Cards | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 18248 | 0 |
2020-02-01 | Loeger Julie A | EVP, President - US Cards | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 10567 | 75.13 |
2020-02-01 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 9063 | 0 |
2020-02-01 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 4728 | 75.13 |
2020-02-01 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 722 | 75.13 |
2020-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres - Cr Ops & Dec Mgmt | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2109 | 0 |
2020-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres - Cr Ops & Dec Mgmt | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 2278 | 75.13 |
2020-01-27 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - P-Purchase | Common Stock | 3000 | 73.7353 |
2020-01-27 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP, Chief Information Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15000 | 74.212 |
2020-01-27 | Greene John | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | A - P-Purchase | Common Stock | 3377 | 73.8356 |
2020-01-27 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | A - P-Purchase | Common Stock | 3400 | 73.95 |
2020-01-27 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - P-Purchase | Common Stock | 15000 | 74.1214 |
2020-01-22 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 21532 | 0 |
2020-01-22 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11198 | 0 |
2020-01-22 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 8798 | 0 |
2020-01-22 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1922 | 0 |
2020-01-22 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11198 | 0 |
2020-01-22 | Loeger Julie A | EVP, President - US Cards | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11198 | 0 |
2020-01-22 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres - Cr Ops & Dec Mgmt | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 9600 | 0 |
2020-01-22 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP, Chief Information Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 8123 | 0 |
2020-01-22 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7444 | 0 |
2020-01-22 | Greene John | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11198 | 0 |
2020-01-22 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 8798 | 0 |
2019-11-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 14056 | 0 |
2019-11-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 14056 | 0 |
2019-11-01 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 630 | 81.72 |
2019-09-18 | Greene John | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11861 | 0 |
2019-09-18 | Greene John | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | D - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2019-08-06 | BUSH MARY K | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 993 | 83.27 |
2019-07-26 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 20000 | 91.76 |
2019-07-25 | Graf R. Mark | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4776 | 92.44 |
2019-07-25 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 1894 | 92.35 |
2019-07-22 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | EVP, Chief Legal Officer & GC | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 78951 | 0 |
2019-07-22 | Walcott Wanjiku Juanita | - | 0 | 0 | ||
2019-07-18 | Wong Jennifer L. | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1531 | 0 |
2019-07-18 | Wong Jennifer L. | - | 0 | 0 | ||
2019-05-16 | WEINBACH LAWRENCE A | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1920 | 0 |
2019-05-16 | Thierer Mark | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1920 | 0 |
2019-05-16 | Moskow Michael H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1920 | 0 |
2019-05-16 | MAHERAS THOMAS G | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1920 | 0 |
2019-05-16 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1920 | 0 |
2019-05-16 | Eazor Joseph F | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1920 | 0 |
2019-05-16 | Duncan Candace H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1920 | 0 |
2019-05-16 | Case Gregory C | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1920 | 0 |
2019-05-16 | BUSH MARY K | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1920 | 0 |
2019-05-16 | ARONIN JEFFREY S | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1920 | 0 |
2019-05-15 | BUSH MARY K | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 496 | 77.53 |
2019-05-16 | BUSH MARY K | director | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 496 | 0 |
2019-05-15 | PIPER VINITA LEE | director | D - | Discover Financial | 0 | 0 |
2019-05-15 | PIPER VINITA LEE | - | 0 | 0 | ||
2019-05-15 | PIPER VINITA LEE | director | D - | Discover Financial | 0 | 0 |
2019-03-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 29300 | 72.46 |
2019-03-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 700 | 72.88 |
2019-02-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 53794 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 60000 | 67.94 |
2019-02-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | Executive Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 8412 | 68.4 |
2019-02-04 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | Executive Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4762 | 68.39 |
2019-02-01 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1588 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Graf R. Mark | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 22812 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 26033 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP, Chief Information Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 7997 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 26035 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 7500 | 67.59 |
2019-02-01 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 6518 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Loeger Julie A | EVP, President - US Cards | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 12799 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres - Cr Ops & Dec Mgmt | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 2043 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 27389 | 68.4 |
2019-05-03 | Moskow Michael H | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 1985 | 81.53 |
2019-04-30 | Loeger Julie A | EVP, President - US Cards | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 81.12 |
2019-04-30 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres - Cr Ops & Dec Mgmt | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 7146 | 81.37 |
2019-04-29 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2450 | 81.6 |
2019-04-29 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 5550.84 | 81.73 |
2019-04-30 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 620 | 0 |
2019-04-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3750 | 71.73 |
2019-03-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 29300 | 72.46 |
2019-02-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 700 | 72.88 |
2019-03-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3750 | 72.05 |
2019-02-20 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP, Chief Information Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 9215 | 0 |
2019-02-20 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11729 | 0 |
2019-02-20 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11729 | 0 |
2019-02-20 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2129 | 0 |
2019-02-20 | Loeger Julie A | EVP, President - US Cards | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11729 | 0 |
2019-02-20 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 6911 | 0 |
2019-02-20 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - A-Award | Common Stock | 19199 | 0 |
2019-02-20 | Graf R. Mark | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11729 | 0 |
2019-02-20 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 6911 | 0 |
2019-02-20 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | Executive Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7679 | 0 |
2019-02-20 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres - Cr Ops & Dec Mgmt | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 6911 | 0 |
2019-02-05 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP, Chief Information Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 69.18 |
2019-02-01 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP, Chief Information Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 15145 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 37683 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 71674 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 60000 | 67.94 |
2019-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 37681 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 7500 | 67.59 |
2019-02-01 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 3655 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Loeger Julie A | EVP, President - US Cards | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 21223 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 12901 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 38073 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Graf R. Mark | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 33128 | 68.4 |
2019-02-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | Executive Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 15634 | 68.4 |
2019-02-04 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | Executive Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4762 | 68.39 |
2019-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres - Cr Ops & Dec Mgmt | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 4793 | 68.4 |
2019-01-28 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - P-Purchase | Common Stock | 342 | 67.04 |
2019-01-28 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - P-Purchase | Common Stock | 29658 | 66.67 |
2019-01-21 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP, Chief Information Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 15003 | 0 |
2019-01-21 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 46677 | 0 |
2019-01-21 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 100021 | 0 |
2019-01-21 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 46677 | 0 |
2019-01-21 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3000 | 0 |
2019-01-21 | Loeger Julie A | EVP, President - US Cards | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 22671 | 0 |
2019-01-21 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11113 | 0 |
2019-01-21 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 49788 | 0 |
2019-01-21 | Graf R. Mark | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 26005 | 0 |
2019-01-21 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | Executive Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 15753 | 0 |
2019-01-21 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | EVP, Pres - Cr Ops & Dec Mgmt | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2779 | 0 |
2018-12-31 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 88954 | 58.98 |
2018-12-03 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Chairman | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 72.05 |
2018-12-03 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3750 | 71.98 |
2018-11-09 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2000 | 71.23 |
2018-10-31 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | CEO and President | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 12000 | 0 |
2018-11-02 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 700 | 0 |
2018-11-06 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2000 | 69.5 |
2018-11-01 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 850 | 70 |
2018-11-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Chairman | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 69.81 |
2018-11-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3750 | 69.79 |
2018-10-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Executive Chairman | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 77.16 |
2018-10-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3750 | 77.26 |
2018-09-17 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | EVP - Chief HR & Admin Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 6447 | 0 |
2018-09-17 | Eichfeld Robert Andrew | officer | - | 0 | 0 | |
2018-09-04 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 78.11 |
2018-09-04 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3750 | 78.21 |
2018-08-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 71.79 |
2018-08-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3750 | 71.6 |
2018-07-02 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 69.93 |
2018-07-02 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3750 | 69.9 |
2018-05-02 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 14000 | 0 |
2018-06-19 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | A - G-Gift | Common Stock | 29111 | 0 |
2018-06-19 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 29111 | 0 |
2018-06-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 74.3 |
2018-06-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3750 | 74.58 |
2018-05-15 | BUSH MARY K | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4674 | 76.17 |
2018-05-09 | Moskow Michael H | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2324 | 74.02 |
2018-05-02 | WEINBACH LAWRENCE A | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1985 | 0 |
2018-05-02 | Thierer Mark | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1985 | 0 |
2018-05-02 | Moskow Michael H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1985 | 0 |
2018-05-02 | MAHERAS THOMAS G | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1985 | 0 |
2018-05-02 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1985 | 0 |
2018-05-02 | Eazor Joseph F | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1985 | 0 |
2018-05-02 | Duncan Candace H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1985 | 0 |
2018-05-02 | Case Gregory C | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1985 | 0 |
2018-05-02 | BUSH MARY K | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1985 | 0 |
2018-05-02 | ARONIN JEFFREY S | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1985 | 0 |
2018-05-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 70.84 |
2018-05-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3750 | 71.09 |
2018-04-02 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 11202 | 69.37 |
2018-04-02 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 11498 | 70.18 |
2018-04-02 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 7300 | 71.02 |
2018-04-02 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 71.41 |
2018-04-02 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8859 | 69.21 |
2018-04-02 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3700 | 69.99 |
2018-04-02 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2700 | 70.93 |
2018-04-02 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2500 | 69.23 |
2018-04-02 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 800 | 70.06 |
2018-04-02 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 700 | 70.99 |
2018-04-02 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 7800 | 69.15 |
2018-04-02 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4500 | 70.02 |
2018-04-02 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2700 | 70.95 |
2018-03-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3660 | 75.38 |
2018-03-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2600 | 76.5 |
2018-03-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3100 | 77.44 |
2018-03-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4640 | 78.68 |
2018-03-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 1000 | 79.13 |
2018-03-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 78.66 |
2018-03-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 78.64 |
2018-03-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 6400 | 75.27 |
2018-03-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 1467 | 76.19 |
2018-03-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2392 | 77.36 |
2018-03-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3200 | 78.59 |
2018-03-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 1800 | 79.03 |
2018-03-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 1700 | 75.28 |
2018-03-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 400 | 76.4 |
2018-03-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 600 | 77.59 |
2018-03-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 1300 | 78.81 |
2018-02-22 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP, Chief Information Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7428 | 0 |
2018-02-22 | Rose R Douglas | SVP, Chief HR Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 4727 | 0 |
2018-02-22 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11344 | 0 |
2018-02-22 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 22283 | 0 |
2018-02-22 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11344 | 0 |
2018-02-22 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1975 | 0 |
2018-02-22 | Loeger Julie A | EVP, Chief Marketing Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 9656 | 0 |
2018-02-22 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 5942 | 0 |
2018-02-22 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 13775 | 0 |
2018-02-22 | Graf R. Mark | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 11344 | 0 |
2018-02-22 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 7428 | 0 |
2018-02-22 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | SVP Cr. Mgmt. & Decision Scis. | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 4502 | 0 |
2018-02-01 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP, Chief Information Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 7238 | 80.62 |
2018-02-01 | Rose R Douglas | SVP, Chief HR Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 3428 | 80.62 |
2018-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 16793 | 80.62 |
2018-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 7900 | 79.92 |
2018-02-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 7100 | 80.5 |
2018-02-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 52525 | 80.62 |
2018-02-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 79.65 |
2018-02-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 25000 | 0 |
2018-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 16794 | 80.62 |
2018-02-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 79.51 |
2018-02-01 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1083 | 80.62 |
2018-02-01 | Loeger Julie A | EVP, Chief Marketing Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 5595 | 80.62 |
2018-02-01 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 3599 | 80.62 |
2018-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 25601 | 80.62 |
2018-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 5020 | 79.77 |
2018-02-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 10238 | 80.53 |
2018-02-01 | Graf R. Mark | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 21360 | 80.62 |
2018-02-02 | Graf R. Mark | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 22444 | 79.84 |
2018-02-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 7447 | 80.62 |
2018-02-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2451 | 80.06 |
2018-02-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 1549 | 80.62 |
2018-02-01 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | SVP Cr. Mgmt. & Decision Scis. | D - F-InKind | Common Stock | 1788 | 80.62 |
2018-01-30 | LENNY RICHARD H | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4520 | 79.89 |
2018-01-31 | LENNY RICHARD H | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2350 | 79.81 |
2018-01-29 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 12500 | 81.46 |
2018-01-29 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2435 | 81.63 |
2018-01-25 | Schneider Glenn P | EVP | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 12771 | 0 |
2018-01-25 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 24903 | 0 |
2018-01-25 | Rose R Douglas | SVP, Chief HR Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 6784 | 0 |
2018-01-25 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 24903 | 0 |
2018-01-25 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 95779 | 0 |
2018-01-25 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 1383 | 0 |
2018-01-25 | Loeger Julie A | EVP, Chief Marketing Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 4651 | 0 |
2018-01-25 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 4604 | 0 |
2018-01-25 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 44696 | 0 |
2018-01-25 | Graf R. Mark | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 21949 | 0 |
2018-01-25 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 13026 | 0 |
2018-01-26 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 37000 | 80.08 |
2018-01-25 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | SVP Cr. Mgmt. & Decision Scis | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2682 | 0 |
2018-01-26 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | SVP Cr. Mgmt. & Decision Scis | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 5000 | 79.97 |
2018-01-02 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15000 | 76.75 |
2018-01-02 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 76.74 |
2018-01-02 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 77.24 |
2018-01-02 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15258 | 76.78 |
2018-01-02 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4000 | 76.81 |
2017-12-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 3300 | 69.68 |
2017-12-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 11000 | 70.52 |
2017-12-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 700 | 71 |
2017-12-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2500 | 69.66 |
2017-12-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 9770 | 70.61 |
2017-12-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2988 | 71.06 |
2017-12-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 28000 | 70.1 |
2017-12-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2000 | 70.78 |
2017-12-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 70.79 |
2017-11-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15000 | 66.67 |
2017-11-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 66.8 |
2017-11-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 66.68 |
2017-10-26 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 15043 | 0 |
2017-11-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15258 | 66.79 |
2017-11-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4000 | 66.79 |
2017-10-27 | Graf R. Mark | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 16503 | 66.67 |
2017-10-02 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15000 | 64.83 |
2017-10-02 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15258 | 64.87 |
2017-10-02 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4000 | 64.87 |
2017-10-02 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 64.55 |
2017-10-02 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 64.51 |
2017-09-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15000 | 59.63 |
2017-09-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 59.12 |
2017-09-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15258 | 59.64 |
2017-09-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 59.1 |
2017-09-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4000 | 59.63 |
2017-07-28 | Panzarino James V | EVP | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 8365 | 0 |
2017-08-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 61.13 |
2017-08-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15258 | 61.04 |
2017-08-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15000 | 61.17 |
2017-08-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4000 | 61.03 |
2017-08-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 61.29 |
2017-07-31 | McGrogan Edward W | SVP, Controller & CAO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 1228 | 61.06 |
2017-07-03 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15258 | 62.48 |
2017-07-03 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15000 | 62.51 |
2017-07-03 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4000 | 62.47 |
2017-07-03 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 62.52 |
2017-07-03 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 62.42 |
2014-07-29 | LENNY RICHARD H | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 20318 | 62.71 |
2017-06-15 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | SVP Cr. Mgmt. & Decision Scis. | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 3294 | 0 |
2017-06-15 | Capozzi Daniel Peter | SVP Cr. Mgmt. & Decision Scis. | D - | Common Stock | 0 | 0 |
2017-06-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15000 | 59.03 |
2017-05-03 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - G-Gift | Common Stock | 25000 | 0 |
2017-06-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 58.97 |
2017-06-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 58.88 |
2017-06-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15258 | 58.96 |
2017-06-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4000 | 58.96 |
2017-05-16 | Moskow Michael H | director | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2350 | 60.67 |
2017-05-11 | LENNY RICHARD H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2324 | 0 |
2017-05-11 | Glassman Cynthia A | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2324 | 0 |
2017-05-11 | WEINBACH LAWRENCE A | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2324 | 0 |
2017-05-11 | Thierer Mark | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2324 | 0 |
2017-05-11 | Moskow Michael H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2324 | 0 |
2017-05-11 | MAHERAS THOMAS G | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2324 | 0 |
2017-05-11 | Eazor Joseph F | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2324 | 0 |
2017-05-11 | Duncan Candace H | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2324 | 0 |
2017-05-11 | Case Gregory C | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2324 | 0 |
2017-05-11 | BUSH MARY K | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2324 | 0 |
2017-05-11 | ARONIN JEFFREY S | director | A - A-Award | Common Stock | 2324 | 0 |
2017-05-01 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15258 | 62.28 |
2017-05-01 | NELMS DAVID W | Chairman & CEO | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 30000 | 62.18 |
2017-05-01 | Offereins Diane E | EVP, Pres. - Payment Services | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 15000 | 62.31 |
2017-05-01 | Corley Kathryn McNamara | EVP, GC & Secretary | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 4000 | 62.28 |
2017-05-01 | Minetti Carlos | EVP, Pres. - Consumer Banking | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 8000 | 62.35 |
2017-05-01 | Loeger Julie A | EVP, Chief Marketing Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 5000 | 62.54 |
2017-04-28 | Hughes Brian | EVP, Chief Risk Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 2000 | 62.47 |
2017-04-27 | Panzarino James V | EVP - Credit & Card Ops. | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 9500 | 64.34 |
2017-04-27 | Graf R. Mark | EVP & Chief Financial Officer | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 29584 | 64.5 |
2017-02-17 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | A - J-Other | Common Stock | 757 | 70.39 |
2016-11-14 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | A - J-Other | Common Stock | 799 | 66.42 |
2016-08-15 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | A - J-Other | Common Stock | 908 | 58.11 |
2016-05-19 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | A - J-Other | Common Stock | 898 | 54.57 |
2017-02-17 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | A - P-Purchase | Common Stock | 757 | 70.39 |
2016-11-14 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | A - P-Purchase | Common Stock | 799 | 66.42 |
2016-08-15 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | A - P-Purchase | Common Stock | 908 | 58.11 |
2016-05-19 | HOCHSCHILD ROGER C | President & COO | A - P-Purchase | Common Stock | 898 | 54.57 |
2017-04-03 | Offereins Diane E | EVP | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 9250 | 67.6 |
2017-04-03 | Offereins Diane E | EVP | D - S-Sale | Common Stock | 750 | 68.28 |
Transcripts
Operator:
Good morning. My name is Todd, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Second Quarter 2024 Discover Financial Services Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. Please note, there will be no question-and-answer period after this morning's prepared remarks. After the call ends, questions should be directed to the Discover Investor Relations team. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Eric Wasserstrom, Senior Vice President of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.Eric Wasserstrom:
Thank you, and welcome to this morning's call. I'll begin by referencing Slides 2 and 3 of our earnings presentation, which you can find in the financial section of our Investor Relations website, investorrelations.discover.com. Our discussion today contains certain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to our notices regarding forward-looking statements that appear in the second quarter 2024 earnings press release and presentation as well as the risk factors detailed in our annual report and other filings with the SEC. Our call today will include remarks from our Interim CEO, Michael Shepherd; and John Greene, our Chief Financial Officer. There will be no question-and-answer session following today's remarks. However, the Investor Relations team will be available for any inquiries. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Michael.Michael Shepherd:
Thank you, Eric. Good morning, and welcome to our guests who have joined today's call. Discover's second quarter operating performance was very good, and we advanced several strategic priorities. Let me highlight a few of these accomplishments. On July 17, we entered into an agreement to sell our private student loan portfolio to affiliates and limited partners of Carlyle and KKR. Firstmark, a division of Nelnet will assume responsibility for servicing the portfolio upon sale. This agreement represents an important milestone in our journey to simplify our operations and business mix. The completion of the sale also has financial implications, which John Greene will detail in a few moments. As we continue to resolve past issues and strengthen our risk management and compliance posture, we have entered into a settlement agreement to resolve the merchant class actions associated with the card misclassification litigation, subject to court approval. The decision to settle was based upon our internal reviews, extensive dialogue with key constituencies, including merchants and regulators and our pending merger with Capital One. The settlement agreement would resolve claims by parties affected by the card misclassification, including merchants, acquirers and intermediaries. Our current remediation reserve is sufficient to cover the expenses under the terms of the settlement agreement. Our results also benefited from a litigation settlement in our Payment Services segment, where Discover was the plaintiff. We are happy to have this matter resolved and are satisfied with the favorable financial outcome. Finally, turning to our pending merger with Capital One. Capital One continues to lead the integration planning process, and the teams are working well together on integration planning and regulatory applications. Upcoming merger-related milestones include a virtual public hearing hosted by the Federal Reserve and the OCC, the completion of the written comment period, an in-person public hearing with the Delaware State Bank Commissioner and the filing of the definitive merger proxy. We expect shareholder votes to occur this fall. We are encouraged by how the merger planning and application processes are progressing and continue to believe that the strategic rationale, operating scale and economics of the combined company are compelling. With that, I'll now ask John Greene to review our second quarter 2024 financial results.John Greene:
Thank you, Michael, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with our summary financial results on Slide 5. In the quarter, we reported net income of $1.5 billion, which was up 70% from the prior year quarter. Our fundamental performance in the period was driven by revenue expansion from loan growth, higher net interest margin and non-interest revenue growth. Credit continues to perform in line with expectations, supporting our view that losses are near peak and will plateau during the second half of 2024. There are several unusual items which impacted the quarter. These included a $869 million student loan reserve release, a gain of $26 million from the sale of our Lake Park facility. And largely offsetting one another were the favorable litigation settlement and a charge for expected regulatory penalties related to the card misclassification matter. Excluding unusual items, we would have reported net income of approximately $915 million and EPS of about $3.63 per share. Let's review the details beginning on Slide 6. Our net interest margin ended the quarter at 11.17%, up 11 basis points from the prior year and up 14 basis points sequentially. On a quarter-over-quarter basis, margin expansion was primarily driven by a lower card promotional balance mix. As anticipated, receivable growth continues to normalize from its early 2023 peak. Card receivables increased 7% year-over-year due to a lower payment rate and a smaller contribution from new accounts. The payment rate declined about 130 basis points compared to last year and is now about 90 basis points above 2019 levels. Discover card sales were down 3% compared to the prior year, spending at restaurants, which is a large category for sales volume declined sequentially as a result of being included in the 5% promotion during the first quarter. Accounting for the influence of promotional categories, sales trends are relatively stable. We continue to see a cautious consumer, evidenced by less card member spend with lower income households being most affected. Personal loans were up 13% from the prior year period. In response to market conditions, we prudently tightened underwriting over the past year, which has served to modestly reduced originations. Student loans were down 1% year-over-year. As Michael mentioned, we have entered into an agreement to sell our student loan portfolio. We expect the transaction to be completed in four tranches by the end of 2024. The purchase price has added a premium to the principal balance and is based on a formula that varies depending on the closing timing, interest rates and other factors. In association with this development, student loans are now accounted for as held for sale. The two most notable impacts to the financial statements are that we will no longer maintain a credit reserve for student loans and future student loan net charge-offs will be recognized through operating expense rather than credit losses. Average consumer deposits were up 15% year-over-year and 1% sequentially. Deposit balances are being managed in relation to our liquidity needs, which will benefit from the student loan sale. Our disciplined approach to deposit pricing has led to a modest reduction in average deposit rates in the second quarter, consistent with our practice of leading the industry on pricing in down parts of the cycle. Looking at other revenue on Slide 7. Non-interest income increased $313 million or 45%. Discount and interchange revenue was up $67 million as a result of lower rewards cost. Our rewards rate was 132 basis points in the period, a decrease of 10 basis points versus the prior year quarter. The decline reflects lower cash back match. Other income increased due to unusual items, including the litigation settlement and the facility sale. On an adjusted basis, non-interest revenue grew 14%. Moving to expenses on Slide 8. Total operating expenses were up $325 million or 23% year-over-year. The most significant driver of this increase was a charge for expected regulatory penalties related to the card misclassification issue. It is important to note that actual penalties imposed are subject to further discussions and may be more or less than this amount. Adjusting for this charge, our expenses would have increased by 9% year-over-year. Looking at our major expense categories. Compensation costs increased $70 million or 12%, primarily due to an increase in business technology resources. Professional fees were up $80 million or 37%, driven by higher recovery fees and investments in compliance and risk management. Our expectation for compliance and risk management expenses for the full year remains in the $500 million range with an upside bias. This figure excludes cards misclassification related costs. Moving to credit performance on Slide 9. Total net charge-offs were 4.83%, 161 basis points higher than the prior year and down 9 basis points from the prior quarter. In card, delinquency formation improvement continued. The 30-plus day delinquency rate was down 14 basis points versus the prior quarter. From a vintage perspective, our 2023 card vintage continues to perform in line with our 2022 vintage. As we look into the second half of the year, we expect there could be some variability in monthly card losses from both seasonality and various credit management actions we've taken. This has not changed our broader outlook for losses to generally peak and plateau this year. Turning to the allowance for credit losses on Slide 10. Our credit reserve balances declined $777 million from the prior quarter, reflecting the student loan reserve release, partially offset by a $92 million reserve build primarily to support loan growth. Our reserve rate was just over 7.2%, largely unchanged after adjusting for student loans. Looking at Slide 11. Our common equity Tier 1 for the period was 11.9%, up 100 basis points, bolstered by core earnings generation and the reserve release. We declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.70 per share of common stock. Concluding on Slide 12. We have revised our 2024 outlook and having included the impacts of the pending student loan sale. We are updating our loan growth expectations to be down low single digits, reflecting the roughly $10 billion asset sale. Absent this, year-over-year loan growth would be consistent with our prior view. We are increasing our net interest margin range to 11.1% to 11.4%. This change was driven by two factors. We now anticipate higher card yields reflecting a lower promotional balance mix and the student loan sale, which increases NIM by about 10 basis points. Our operating expense guidance is unchanged, notwithstanding the inclusion of the student loan net charge-offs in this line item. Our base case for net charge-offs remains at the low end of the 4.9% to 5.2% range. This includes the 10-basis points impact from student loans. And finally, our capital management expectations have not changed. To summarize, we continue to generate solid financial results, remain steadfast in our efforts to resolve compliance matters and look forward to consummating our planned merger. This concludes our remarks. I'll turn the call back over to the operator.Operator:
Good morning. My name is Todd, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the First Quarter 2024 Discover Financial Services Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, there will be no question-and-answer period after this morning's prepared remarks. After the call ends, questions should be directed to the Discover Investor Relations team. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the call over to Mr. Eric Wasserstrom, Senior Vice President of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.Eric Wasserstrom:
Thank you, and welcome to this morning's call. I'll begin by referencing Slides 2 and 3 of our earnings presentation, which you can find in the Financial section of our Investor Relations website investorrelations.discover.com. Our discussion today contains certain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to our notices regarding forward-looking statements that appear in our first quarter 2024 earnings press release and presentation as well as the risk factors detailed in our annual report and other filings with the SEC. Our call today will include remarks from our Interim CEO, Michael Shepherd; and John Greene, our Chief Financial Officer. There will be no question-and-answer session following today's remarks. However, the Investor Relations team will be available for any inquiries. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Michael.Michael Shepherd:
Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. Thank you all for joining today's call. I'd like to begin the call with a few words of introduction. I joined Discover's Board in August of 2023 after a career in the public and private sectors, more than 30 years of which were in the financial services industry. Among other roles, I served as Senior Deputy Controller of the Currency earlier in my career. Most relevant to my current position, I was Chairman and CEO of BancWest Corporation and Bank of the West. As Chairman of Bank of the West, I helped oversee its acquisition and integration into the Bank of Montreal in 2023. I hope my experience will help me serve our shareholders customers and employees as an effective leader during this important period. John Greene will discuss the results of the first quarter in greater detail, but let me highlight a few aspects of our financial performance. Discover's operating performance remained solid with increased revenues in the period, driven by good loan growth, largely reflecting payment rate normalization and a resilient net interest margin. We are seeing receivables expansion while remaining prudent in our underwriting and disciplined in customer acquisition. Credit continues to perform in line with our expectations and delinquency formation has stabilized as we had anticipated. Importantly, we continue to strengthen our risk management and compliance programs where we are investing in meaningful resources. In the first quarter, following continuing internal reviews, and after extensive discussions with several constituencies, including merchants and regulators, Discover decided to significantly increase our liability for the card misclassification issue. We believe that taking this action will advance the resolution of these issues. There's been a lot of change at Discover over the last few months and I thought it might be helpful to emphasize our framework for decision-making. Our goals are to maximize shareholder value by executing on our risk management and compliance priorities, sustaining our commitment to outstanding customer service and seeing that the company remains well positioned to drive long-term value creation. As the interim CEO of Discover, I'm committed to these objectives, which will improve our company and allow us to make the strongest contribution to the combined Capital One. The Capital One team is leading the integration planning process and we look forward to partnering with our colleagues in support of our shared objectives. The process has achieved the first important milestone, the submission of the merger applications to the Federal Reserve and the OCC. We continue to believe that the strategic rationale, operating scale and economics of the combined company are compelling. The merger will advance the company's shared mission to help our customers meet their financial goals support our commitments to our communities and make the combined company a well-positioned bank and a competitive payments network of the future. Finally, I'd like to thank Michael Rhodes for his leadership through an important phase. His new position allows him to fulfill his career goal of leading a public company and my colleagues and I wish him well. With that, I'll now ask John Greene to review our first quarter 2024 financial results.John Greene:
Thank you, Michael, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with our summary financial results on Slide 5. In the quarter, we reported net income of $308 million, which was down 68% from the prior year quarter. Impacting our operating results was a $799 million increase to our reserve for remediation related to the card misclassification issue. The decision to increase the reserve was based upon, among other factors, the company's experience to date with remediation efforts, regulatory dialogue and our pending merger with Capital One. As Michael indicated, we believe this action is aligned with our compliance and risk management objectives and will significantly help advance the resolution of this issue. Our core financial performance remains strong. Key highlights for the quarter include double-digit revenue expansion from loan growth, a resilient net interest margin strong consumer deposit growth and credit performance consistent with our view that losses will peak and plateau in mid to late 2024. Excluding the card misclassification remediation reserve increase, we would have reported net income of approximately $915 million, EPS of about $3.50 per share and an efficiency ratio under 36%. These figures indicate a strong start to 2024. Let us review the details beginning on Slide 6. Our net interest margin ended the quarter at 11.03%, down 31 basis points from the prior year and up 5 basis points sequentially. On a quarter-over-quarter basis, expanding loan yields from a lower card promotional balance mix and payment rate moderation were partially offset by higher net funding costs. Receivable growth is slowing from its peak in the first quarter of 2023, but continues to be strong. Card receivables increased 11% year-over-year due to a lower payment rate and contribution from prior year new account growth. The payment rate declined about 20 basis points from the sequential quarter and is now about 70 basis points above 2019 levels. Discover card sales were down 1% compared to the prior year quarter. Sales slowed across categories with the largest decline occurring in the everyday category, which includes supermarkets, gas and wholesale clubs. While we continue to add new accounts, in general, we are seeing card members spend less, particularly among lower-income households which are most impacted by the cumulative effects of inflation. Based on trends in the period, we expect sales to be flat to slightly negative this year. Personal loans were up 21%, driven by continued strength in originations and lower payment rates versus the prior year. We are seeing strong uptake on our offering as higher interest rates in card can make debt consolidation more appealing for Summit consumers. Approximately 50% of our first quarter originations and personal loans were utilized for debt consolidation with disbursements primarily made directly to creditors. Student loans were flat year-over-year. As previously announced, we stopped accepting applications for new student loans on February 1. We formally launched the sales process in mid-March and several thousand potential buyers have provided an initial indication of interest. We continue to anticipate strong demand and still target a closing date late in the third quarter or fourth quarter. Average deposits were up 18% year-over-year and 4% sequentially. Our direct-to-consumer balances grew $3 billion in the period. We have started to decrease pricing on our deposit products ahead of any potential moves in reference rates. This is consistent with our practice of leading the industry on pricing in the down part of the cycle and this action contributed to our strong NIM performance in the quarter. Looking at other revenue on Slide 7. Noninterest income increased $113 million or 19%. This was primarily driven by higher net discount and interchange revenue, an increase in loan fee income and higher transaction processing revenue from our PULSE business. PULSE continued to grow at a healthy clip as debit volume increased by $13.8 billion or 21% year-over-year. Our rewards rate was 139 basis points in the period, a decrease of 2 basis points versus the prior year quarter. The decline reflects lower cash back match from slowing new account growth and the active management of our 5% categories. Prior to reviewing expenses, I would like to briefly comment on the CFPB late fee proposal. We continue to closely monitor the legal process around the proposal. If the rule were to be implemented, on an annualized basis, we estimate a pretax reduction of around $600 million or approximately 4% of revenues. Moving to expenses on Slide 8. Total operating expenses were up $926 million or 67% year-over-year. As mentioned, the predominant driver of this growth was the increase to our remediation reserve. Absent this, our expenses would have increased 9% year-over-year. Looking at our major expense categories. Compensation costs increased $46 million or 7% due to an increase in business technology resources and severance related to organizational changes including the wind down of our student loan business. Professional fees were up $60 million or 26%, driven by continued investments in compliance and risk management initiatives higher recovery fees and merger-related expenses. Information processing increased due to technology investments. Our expectation for compliance and risk management expenses for the year excluding remediation-related costs, remains in the $500 million range with an upside bias. Moving to credit performance on Slide 9. Total net charge-offs were 4.92%, 220 basis points higher than the prior year and up 81 basis points from the prior quarter. In Card, as we anticipated, delinquency formation is improving as more recent vintages season. The 30-plus day delinquency rate was down 4 basis points versus the prior quarter. From a vintage perspective, our 2023 card vintage is performing relatively in line with our 2022 vintage. Both vintages remain profitable and above our return thresholds. This performance has been contemplated in our full year net charge-off guidance. We executed some incremental tightening during the first quarter, which will influence our new account growth for the year. Personal loan net charge-offs were 4.02%, 208 basis points higher than the prior year and up 63 basis points from the prior quarter. We expect losses in this product to trend higher in the near term before plateauing beginning late this year or into 2025. Turning to the allowance for credit losses on Slide 10. Our credit reserve balances declined $25 million from the prior quarter, and our reserve rate increased by 9 basis points to 7.32%. The reserve rate increase was primarily driven by the reduction of seasonal transactor balances in the quarter. Given our expectation for total company losses to peak and plateau in mid- to late 2024 and we believe the credit reserve rate is likely at or near peak levels, assuming a stable macroeconomic environment and no significant unexpected changes in portfolio performance. Looking at Slide 11. Our common equity Tier 1 for the period was 10.9%, down 40 basis points sequentially. The impacts from the increase in expenses in the CECL phase-in were offset by lower receivables and core earnings generation. We declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.70 per share of common stock. Concluding on Slide 12. We have made the following updates to our 2024 outlook. We are increasing our loan growth expectations to up low single digits. This primarily reflects our expectation of further decline in the payment rates, offsetting our view of flat to slightly negative sales growth this year and a modest contribution from new accounts. We are increasing our net interest margin range to 10.7% to 11%. This change was driven by 2 factorsOperator:
Thank you. This concludes today's call. The Discover Investor Relations team will be available for questions. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.Operator:
Good morning. My name is Todd, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Fourth Quarter 2023 Discover Financial Services Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Eric Wasserstrom, Senior Vice President of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.Eric Wasserstrom:
Thank you, and welcome to this morning's call. I'll begin on Slide 2 of our earnings presentation, which you can find in the Financial section of our Investor Relations website, investorrelations.discover.com. Our discussion today contains certain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to our notices regarding forward-looking statements that appear in our fourth quarter 2023 earnings press release and presentation. Our call today will include remarks from our Interim CEO, John Owen; and John Greene, our Chief Financial Officer. After we conclude our formal comments, there will be time for a question-and-answer session. During the Q&A session, we request that you ask one question, followed by one follow-up question. After your follow-up question, please return to the queue. Now it's my pleasure to turn the call over to John.John Owen:
Thank you, Eric, and thanks to our listeners for joining today's call. 2023 was a year of significant change for Discover, and we believe the actions we've taken position the company to continue driving strong long-term performance. When I stepped into the Interim CEO role, I had three priorities. My top priority was to advance our culture of compliance. We have made meaningful strides in our corporate governance and risk management capabilities. That said, this is a journey that will take time and continued investments over the coming years to further enhance our compliance and risk management capabilities. My second priority is to continue delivering a great customer experience at every touch point, which we do by providing our customers with award-winning service and products. I'd like to thank our 20,000 employees for delivering a great customer experience to help our customers achieve a brighter financial future. In 2023, we were recognized for the first time as one of Fortune 100 best companies to work for. This award adds to accolade for working parents, women, people with disabilities and members of the LGBTQ+ community, and we're proud to be an inclusive workplace. My third priority is to sustain our strong financial performance. We reported net income of $2.9 billion for full year 2023 and earnings per share of $11.26. This makes 2023 the third best year for EPS performance in our history. In delivering these results, we achieved several important milestones. We exceeded $100 billion in card receivables, grew deposits by 21% year-over-year, successfully launched our cashback debit account on a national scale, and we announced our intent to exit the private student lending business. On December 11, we announced a new leadership and we're excited to have Michael Rhodes joining us for our incoming Chief Executive Officer. Michael is an experienced leader with a deep background in the financial services industry. He has managed all aspects of our Consumer Banking business with deep experience in the credit card space, payments, online and mobile banking and served as Group Head of Innovation and Technology. His appointment marks the conclusion of a rigorous search process, and we look forward to Michael's arrival. When Michael arrives, I will return to my prior role on Discover’s Board of Directors. In conclusion, I'm proud of the progress we made in 2023. Our integrated digital banking model, resilient financial performance and maturing risk management and compliance capabilities position Discover well for 2024 and beyond. With that, I'll now turn the call over to John Greene, who will review our fourth quarter 2023 financial results in more detail and provide some perspective on 2024.John Greene:
Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with our summary financial results on Slide 4. In the quarter, we reported net income of $388 million, down from just over $1 billion in the prior year quarter. There are three broad trends to call out. First, we grew revenue 13%, reflecting 15% loan growth, partially offset by modest NIM compression. Second, provision expense grew by $1 billion. Charge-offs increased, but landed at the low-end of our expected range. Strong loan growth and higher delinquency drove the increase to our reserve balance. Finally, expenses increased 19% year-over-year, reflecting investments in compliance and risk management, a reserve for customer remediation and higher marketing expense to support our national Cashback Debit campaign. We'll get into the details of these topics on the following pages. Turning to Slide 5. Our net interest margin ended the quarter at 10.98%, down 29 basis points from the prior year and up 3 basis points sequentially. The decline from the prior year quarter was driven by higher funding costs and higher interest charge-offs, which were partially offset by higher prime rates and increases in revolving balances. For the full year, net interest margin was 11.07%, up 3 basis points from the prior year. This margin performance reflects the improvement in our funding mix over the past several years and a reduced level of balance transfer and promotional balances as we tightened underwriting. Receivable growth remained robust. Card increased 13% year-over-year due to contributions from the prior year new account growth and a lower payment rate. The payment rate declined about 110 basis points from the sequential quarter and is now 100 basis points above 2019 levels. Overall, new account growth declined 9% as a result of credit actions. Sales were up 3% compared to the prior year quarter. Personal loans were up 23%, driven by continued strength in originations and lower payment rate versus the prior year. Student loans were flat year-over-year as we prepare for a potential sale of this portfolio we will cease accepting applications for new loans on February 1. Our Deposit business delivered outstanding performance in a challenging year. Average deposits were up 21% year-over-year and 4% sequentially. Our direct-to-consumer balances grew $3 billion in the period and $14 billion in the year. Looking at other revenue on Slide 6. Non-interest income increased $74 million or 11%. This was primarily driven by an increase in loan fee income, higher transaction processing revenue from our PULSE business and higher net discount and interchange revenue. Our rewards rate was 137 basis points in the period and 140 basis points for the full year 2023, a decrease of 1 basis point on a full year basis. The decline reflects lower cashback match from slowing new account growth and our active management of our 5% categories. Moving to expenses on Slide 7. Total operating expenses were up $280 million, or 19% year-over-year, and up 22% from the prior quarter. Looking at our major expense categories, compensation cost increased $73 million or 13% from higher headcount. Marketing expenses increased $59 million or 19%. Professional fees were up driven by continued investment in compliance and risk management capabilities, while other expense reflects a reserve for customer remediation. Moving to credit performance on Slide 8. Total net charge-offs were 4.11%, 198 basis points higher than the prior year and up 59 basis points from the prior quarter. In card, as anticipated, delinquency formation is slowing as more recent vintages season. We added a slide detailing some of the drivers of our credit performance in the appendix to the earnings presentation. Turning to the allowance for credit losses on Slide 9. This quarter, we increased our reserves by $618 million, and our reserve rate increased by 17 basis points to just over 7.2%. The increase in reserves was driven by receivable growth and higher near-term loss content from higher delinquencies. Under CECL, reserve levels increase as you approach peak losses. We expect our losses to rise through the midyear and then plateau through the back half with some seasonal variation. In terms of our macroeconomic outlook, our view of unemployment was relatively unchanged, while household net worth projections increased slightly. These changes provided a small benefit to reserves. Looking at Slide 10. Our common equity Tier 1 for the period was 11.3%. The sequential decline of 30 basis points was driven largely by asset growth. We declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.70 per share of common stock. Concluding on Slide 11 with our perspective on 2024. These exclude the impact of a potential student loan portfolio sale. We expect end-of-period loan growth to be relatively flat, while average loan growth will be up modestly year-over-year. We expect full year net interest margin to be 10.5% to 10.8%. We're currently anticipating core rate cuts of 25 basis points in 2024. This is two more rate cuts than in our forecast in December. Each cut reduces NIM by approximately 5 basis points subject to a deposit beta. We expect total operating expenses to increase by a mid-single-digit percent. This contemplates our expectation for compliance-related costs to be approximately $500 million this year. Total expenses may increase as incremental resources or remediation is required. We expect net charge-offs in the range of 4.9% to 5.3%. Finally, regarding capital return. We will participate in this year CCAR's process, and believe the results should help inform our view of capital management for 2024. Importantly, our capital management priorities have not changed and remain centered on supporting organic growth and returning capital to shareholders. To summarize, we continue to generate solid financial results. For 2024, we will continue to advance our compliance and risk management capabilities and invest in actions that drive sustainable, long-term value creation. With that, I'll turn the call back to our operator to open the line for Q&A.Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Rick Shane with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.Rick Shane:
Good morning everybody and thanks for taking my questions. I'm not a little under the weather today, so I apologize. The loan growth expectations, is that organic loan growth or is that net of the portfolio sale of the student loans?John Greene:
Hi, Rick, John Greene here. That is organic loan growth. So all of the guidance excluded the impact of a potential student loan asset sale.Rick Shane:
Okay. That’s it for me. Thank you guys.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Moshe Orenbuch with TD Cowen.Moshe Orenbuch:
Great. Thanks. John, maybe just a follow-up on Rick's question. I mean given the strong growth that you're currently seeing in the Personal Loan business, and the fact that you're still adding accounts, albeit at a lower level in the Credit Card business, you did mention kind of lower balance transfers, but is there something else going on? Can you talk about kind of deconstruct that loan growth expectation for us a little bit?John Greene:
Sure, sure. Thanks, Moshe. So the bonus of loan growth sales, new account generation, payment rate trends. And so what we’re anticipating for sales given the slowdown through 2023 in terms of sales, although we did have a pretty strong holiday season, sales will be relatively flat year-over-year. New account generation relative to last year, certainly down, but overall positive new account growth. And payment rate, what we've tried to do here is kind of derisk the forecast. So we assume that 100 basis points of payment rate that's elevated versus 2019 will remain elevated. So those three components reflect end up coming in and reflecting on our projections. Now loan growth could actually come in higher if payment rate continues to decline. But overall, our basis for guidance, loan growth, net interest margin and charge-offs was to give a range and then also be relatively conservative in terms of the expectations on those ranges.Moshe Orenbuch:
Great. Thanks. And maybe just as a follow-up on the credit side. I mean, you did talk a month ago and then mentioned again today that you expect kind of losses to peak around the middle of the year. How do we think about the performance after that peak? I mean you said kind of flattish. What's driving that? Why isn't that something that improves? And how do we think about reserving in that context?John Greene:
Sure. Yes. So there's a couple of different components that are driving that. So if you go back in time, we had about two years of unusually low charge-offs and delinquencies, so from the pandemic. And that process of normalization, typically will take about the same amount of time, two years. The vintages, 2021 and 2022 are seasoning, and that's why we expect it to plateau. The 2023 vintage actually was relatively large, but too early to call whether it's going to outperform our expectations, but certainly, a highly profitable vintage from our vantage point today. So what you're actually just seeing is a period of normalization. My expectation is that charge-offs will plateau and then and beginning in 2025, I would expect those to step down. Now you will know from this past year and the prior year, what we've tried to do in terms of the guidance is the conservative in terms of the range. And throughout 2023, we tightened the range and actually came in at the low end. So my hope is that we'll be able to do the same thing in 2024.Moshe Orenbuch:
Great. Thanks.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Ryan Nash with Goldman Sachs.Ryan Nash:
Hi, good morning, everyone. John, maybe to dig a little bit deeper on some of the commentary you gave regarding loan growth. Maybe just focusing on the account growth. The market clearly thinks there's a better chance of a soft landing right now. We're seeing peers who are talking about mid- to high single-digit growth. And I'm just curious on the account growth. Is this more just conservative underwriting? Are you trying to make sure that you make more progress on risk governance and compliance before you increase growth? Maybe just a little bit more color on why you're seeing such a slowdown in terms of the account growth relative to the last few years?John Greene:
Yes. Thanks, Ryan. So our approach in 2023 and then early into 2024 was that we took a look at underwriting and performance of, what I'll say, buckets within our underwriting box. And essentially tightened and we've tightened throughout 2023. What you're seeing here in terms of account growth, at least projections today, is us getting back to 2018 and 2019 levels as we continue to watch the 2022 and 2023 vintage perform. And six months from now, we may end up stepping in a little bit more aggressively. But what we wanted to do certainly was let kind of get further confirmation that the delinquency trends that we have seen in terms of slowing rate of delinquency formation continue to persist and that the charge-offs, the forecasted come in at or better than our expectations. If those two factors are at play, there will be an opportunity to be more aggressive in terms of new account growth.Ryan Nash:
Got it. And maybe as my follow-up, can you maybe help us understand where you stand with the student loan sale? And how would you foresee that impacting the outlook as well as capital return over the next four to six quarters? Thank you.John Greene:
Yes. Thanks, Ryan. So good news. So it is actually progressing to schedule. So as a matter of fact, last evening, we signed a servicing agreement with [Nelnet] to become the servicer of this portfolio. So that was great news. It was a competitive process. And certainly, Nelnet showed that there's a commitment to continue to dedicate resources and service that portfolio at a high level. The next step will be to continue the servicing migration activities. We expect those activities will take around six months. We're conservatively it may take a month or two longer. And then as we're doing that, our adviser will begin to market the portfolio. So our expectations are that it will sell in the second half. And the implications for the business are as followsRyan Nash:
Thank you for all the color.Operator:
Thank you. Your next question will come from Mihir Bhatia with Bank of America.Mihir Bhatia:
Hi. Thank you for taking my question. We're going to start with loan growth also. And I just want to go back to the building blocks a little bit. I think you essentially said in terms of the building blocks, you're expecting payments rates to be elevated ex – like flat to stay at the elevated level and sales to be flat. You're also adding accounts. So I'm just like trying to understand I guess, what's the bank account? Like how does loan growth stay flat given the sale, you had 15%. I'm just trying to understand like - that's something we're missing, I feel like, and I'm just trying to understand that.John Greene:
Yes. So let me try to give a little bit of color that hopefully gets folks comfortable with our view of loan growth today. So in 2023, really, really strong loan growth. Much of that was driven both by new account growth, but also a slowing payment rate, that payment rate in our assumptions is holding flat. And as a result, what we expect to see is the 2023 vintage will begin to kind of build in terms of assets, but there's likely going to be some impact from sales. And then also as we cycle through the 2022 vintage, we're not expecting significant new balance builds from that vintage. Now, maybe there will be. But overall, what we've tried to do here is reflect our view of our underwriting box today, not reflect any potential openings of our underwriting box in the later part of 2023. And if we have deliver on loan growth, that will be fantastic. The other element that has come into play here as we pulled back on balance transfers and promotional balances in the second part of 2023. We don't anticipate significantly increasing that level of balance transfer, promotional balances. Now, if we do, that will certainly be accretive to loan growth as well. So, what you're hearing in the guidance is that our expectation is that there's an opportunity to deliver better. But certainly, we've positioned both the guidance and the business to be conservative at least for the next quarter or two.Mihir Bhatia:
Got it. And then I wanted to go back to expenses and the reserve for customer remediation that you mentioned that you took this quarter. Can you just provide some color on that? Like is that related to the merchant mispricing issue? How much was the reserve this quarter? Where does that leave the reserve overall I think you had $365 million in 2Q. Just trying to understand how the estimate for the costs related to that issue changed? I think you also mentioned it could be higher -- expenses would be higher in 2024. If you need to take more reserves there, like -- where are we with that investigation? Just give us an update on that merchant mispricing issue too?John Greene:
Yes. Okay. So, let me start with the reserves. So, -- and the remediation reserve that we put up. So, they're unrelated. So, the merchant tiering reserve we booked $365 million as a liability, that has moved now about $370 million just as we've had some payments and other flows in through the interchange that we had to correct manually for. So, the progress there in terms of discussions with our merchants is positive. We'll -- we don't have enough data points to make a material change to that reserve level yet, but it's progressing, my view, positively through the end of the year and today as we speak. Now, separately, we put up $80 million for a -- as we described it, a customer remediation reserve. Now, some context to that is as part of this compliance journey, we've put in a significant number of resources to help us identify and correct issues. And as we prepare the business to continue to move forward to drive organic growth, we're getting much, much better at identifying issues and we identify an issue what we've done here is if we think there's is appropriate to refund customer payments, we're going to do that. So, we identified a particular issue largely within servicing for our student loan business, although there was a general impact in another business line and we continue to look across our business. But the lion's share of that reserve relates to student loans and essentially what we're doing is trying to position the business and that product for a successful exit.Mihir Bhatia:
Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions. I’ll get back in queue.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Sanjay Sakhrani with KBW.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Thanks. Good morning. Sorry, multi-part question on the same topic and then a follow-up. Can you update us, John, on the progress made with the regulatory agencies; I think that was sort of alluded to in the previous question. But maybe just the firmness around capital return post CCAR? What exactly happens to the CFPB consent order when the loan servicing is transferred? And then just curious, the loan growth expectations, was that any part driven by any regulatory related matters? Thanks.John Owen:
This is John Owen. I'll take part of that, and John Greene will take the capital part. What I would tell you is over the last 18 months or so, we’ve made significant progress improving our risk management and compliance capabilities. We've increased our investments on risk and compliance in 2022 to 2023 up to about a $500 million level. And as John mentioned earlier, we think expense growth, and that will be in the mid-single digits in line with other guidance we've given. We've made improvements in risk and compliance, but we still have quite a bit of work to do. One thing I'd point out, the FDIC consent order, which we did get and was made public, it does not include the misclassification issue in that scope of work. We're working closely with our regulators on that topic and really don't have anything further to add on that topic at this point in time.John Greene:
Okay. Sanjay, I feel like your question is a five-part question, but what we'll do our best to answer it. So the loan growth aspect that you asked, it is completely unrelated to any regulatory issues, so nothing to connect on that point. In terms of capital return, our commitment to capital return and capital allocation have not changed. So, first to invest in profitable organic growth; and second, to return excess capital to shareholders. So as we kind of progressed through the fourth quarter, we remained on pause with our buybacks. And given we've got a new CEO coming in, we are contending with a number of different compliance and risk management matters. We got the merchant tiering reserve. We don't have any feedback from our regulators on that point. We decided that it would be most appropriate to remain conservative in terms of our guidance related to buybacks. We will go through CCAR, as I said in my prepared remarks, that will form a view of capital under significant stress as it always does. And then we're going to have the exit or hopefully, the exit from the Student Loan business, which will provide free up at least $2 billion worth of capital. So what you're hearing here hopefully is some indications that one, we're committed to returning excess capital to shareholders; two, that there will be excess capital generated and available; and three, we're going to go through a diligent process internally, share it with our Board and then take the Board's direction in terms of buybacks.Sanjay Sakhrani:
The consent order?John Greene:
And...Sanjay Sakhrani:
With the loan servicing, like does that look…John Greene:
Yes, that was part 5A, I think. Yes. So that remains in effect and our chosen provider, Nelnet is fully aware of the consent order requirements in terms of kind of servicing excellence. And they were chosen because they've got a track record in terms of being able to kind of service a portfolio such as this, and they've dedicated both technology and resources to ensure a seamless transition.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Okay. Then my follow-up, just question is -- sorry, to my five-part question. Is the reserve rate, Moshe sort of asked about it a little bit, but how should we think about that reserve rate migrating over the course of the year given that the charge-off rate plateaus. Does the reserve rates start coming down? And where does it come down to in a normal environment? I'm just trying to think about how we model that because that's really important.John Greene:
Yes, yes. Thanks for that. We are hoping that, that question would come out. So the -- let me talk about the reserves for the quarter, and then I'll give you perspective on 2024 and what could potentially happen there. So we grew receivables in the quarter, $5.7 billion. Now some of that was transactor balances that are reserved light. But one thing that we've been consistent on in terms of our communication is that as we approach peak losses, reserve levels increase. And what we've said previously is, typically, we hit the highest reserve rate level one to two quarters before peak losses. So that's the path we're on. Let me provide some details on some assumptions that were used to set the reserve levels this year at year end. And then I'll give a perspective on what we -- what could happen in 2024. So macro is relatively benign. So unemployment levels, we ended the year at 3.7 what we've assumed is an unemployment level of 4.2. So a mild increase, household worth, mild decrease, savings rate, mild increase and GDP to be in 2024 to be about 1.3%. So relatively conservative, but not overly optimistic of assumptions. Now what will come into play in 2024 is obviously the macros, which will continue to be important. The portfolio performance and -- by the way, it is tracking to our expectations with month-over-month delinquency formation declining. The credit quality of the book remains relatively consistent with what we've done historically. So our expectation is that assuming the macros remain consistent and the portfolio performance remains to our expectation that there will be some level of opportunity to reduce the reserve rate in 2024. Now that's subject to a significant amount of governance, and we're going to make sure that we comply with our internal processes and generally accepted accounting principles. So they're my caveats. But there's a lot of things that are different today than day one. So the step down will be aligned with those points I just mentioned.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Okay, great. Thank you very much.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Bill Carcache with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.Bill Carcache:
Thank you. Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. John, I wanted to follow-up on your credit commentary, given that it is such an important area of focus for investors. So you've been saying all along that you didn't move down the credit spectrum, but the concern for many investors had been that other card issuers also experienced outsized growth as we emerge from COVID and they had also experienced some normalization headwinds, but they were now starting to see delinquency reformation start to roll over. As Discover's DQ rate formations as recently as prior months data showed that your formations remain on and up until to the right trajectory. So I guess the question is, does the new disclosure on Slide 14 confirm that your delinquency rate formations are indeed now also starting to roll over? And if so, does that really just reinforce your confidence that we could see peak NCOs hit in 2024, all else equal?John Greene:
Yes. And thanks for the question, Bill. So, I just to give you kind of the benefit of some data here. From September through December this year, so the 30-plus delinquencies have declined month-over-month. So in September, we peaked at an increase month-over-month of 26 bps. What we said in the fourth quarter is we expected that to decline. Our October formation increased 20 bps, so relative to decline to the prior month. November, 15 bps, December, 11 bps, and our expectation is that will continue to decline. Where it becomes negative, we're not going to get into that because it will be subject to a number of different things, including kind of our origination path and broad macro. So to get to the essence of your question, we do have a level of confidence regarding kind of what’s happening in the portfolio and the trend. And as we progress in 2024 that will be reflected in hopefully, tightening guidance and then also -- tightening guidance to the lower end and then also, hopefully, reserve rate changes.Bill Carcache:
That's helpful. Thank you. And following up on your expense commentary, I believe you said that expenses may need to increase further potentially. Maybe if you could frame the possibility of their being -- what you would view as another step function higher from here? Or how should we think about the risk of further increase in expenses? And how are we -- how should we think about your sustainable long-term efficiency ratio? I think as we look at historically, Discover has been very, very -- lowest efficiency ratio in the industry. To what extent is that still something that we can expect?John Greene:
Okay. Yes. Thanks, Bill. So our expectation is that the long-term efficiency ratio will be sub-40%. So there's still a view that, that will happen. The reason we put the -- what I'll call is the caveat in the 2024 expense guidance was a number of different institutions when they've been on this compliance and risk management journey have not been able to call what the actual compliance and risk management spend would be. We had that remediation reserve in the fourth quarter. There were some indications that we might have to put something up for that. But we didn't know. There's still some level of unknowns, unknowns. And I wanted to make sure we're clear to the people listening to this call that, there is some level of risk to the expense guidance. Now that said, 5% on our expense base is a significant amount of dollars. We feel like we have nearly a full complement of resources around risk and compliance today, which is good news. Our issues management capabilities significantly improved. Our path to improving overall governance is certainly on the right trajectory. So those factors give me confidence that we're not going to have a huge surprise. But there could be just don't have enough certainty given where we are on our compliance journey. Now, the rest of the cost base, there's a couple of things to keep in mind here. So right -- today, we have nearly 3,000 resources dedicated to risk and compliance management. A significant amount of those resources are dedicated to issues related to student loan servicing, which with a successful exit and transfer, it will give us an opportunity to scrutinize the cost base in a different way. So that's certainly on the list of planned activities for the second quarter, third quarter, and then hopefully, we begin some execution in the fourth quarter. So overall, I feel comfortable with the expense guidance that we've provided. And we're going to do our best to make sure that every dollar we spend is wise and that the shareholders get the benefit from that.Bill Carcache:
Very helpful. Thank you for taking my questions.John Greene:
You're welcome, Bill Thanks.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from John Pancari with Evercore ISI.John Pancari:
Good morning. Regarding the new $80 million remediation charge, did all of that remediation relate to the student loan business, specifically, and was that in part tied also to the July 2022 disclosure around the student loan issues that surfaced then? And did any of that $80 million relate to the other business that you point that you mentioned that could have had a tangential impact and what was that business? Thanks.John Greene:
Yes. So the $80 million was related to servicing issues, the lion's share of that, the significant share of that was related to student loans. There was a small amount that we put up related to personal loans upon reviewing that, there may be an opportunity to release that reserve, very small though. The $80 million is not connected to the issues that we discussed in July. So what I tried to do is provide as much context as I could. So we've dedicated number of resources to identifying issues to help on this consumer compliance journey. As with any company, as you dedicated resources, they come up to speed, they are going to get more effective at identifying issues and correcting issues. This is symptomatic of that progress. So we've got folks that are coming through every single bit of our business to make sure we're executing consumer compliance at a high level. An issue was found. Cross-functional team reviewed it, and we made an election that we are going to accrue something at year-end to cover potential remediation payments.John Pancari:
Okay. And just related to that, so this is a newer issue versus what was discussed in July? And is it also newer versus what is in your existing consent order tied to student loans?John Greene:
Yes. So what we disclosed in July was a broad program around risk and compliance management activities. The specifics of the particular issues weren't discussed in any details. And what I've shared with you right now is probably as much information as I'm going to share at this point. So the takeaway should be is that we're progressing on the risk and compliance management activities. We're getting better at identifying issues. When we find an issue, we're going to deal with it. And we found an issue. We've put up a reserve for that issue. And we're going to work through further details on it in order to ensure that consumer compliance is where we want it to be. So with that, I think I'll probably close at this particular item out, if you don't mind.John Pancari:
No, that's fine. Thank you for that. And my last thing is very quick one on the loan growth guidance. You guided to average balances for 2024 were up modestly. Can you help maybe quantify the up modestly. It could give me -- help frame it. ThanksJohn Greene:
Yes. So 5% to 6% on average.John Pancari:
Okay. Great. Thanks, John.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Don Fandetti with Wells Fargo.Don Fandetti:
John, you know, it's good to see the delinquency formation showing some progress. Can you talk about later stage delinquency rates? I mean, they seem like they're still going up on a year-over-year basis or like our cure rates. I'm still trying to get my arms around this like potentially 5% NCO rate. it just seems high for Discover.John Greene:
Yes, the later stage buckets are kind of modestly improving. We're seeing improvements across every bucket. The first bucket is this really the key one, and then as you get into later and later buckets, the ability to cure just becomes more challenging because the situation that consumers and but we are seeing mild improvements there. So that that also is encouraging.Don Fandetti:
Okay. And the 2023 vintage, can you talk a little bit about what your early read is on that?John Greene:
Yes. The net of it is that it's early. So it's performing profitably, and we're going to continue to keep our eye on it.Don Fandetti:
Does that mean it's not really trending that well relative to your expectations? Or is it kind of in line?John Greene:
No, no, I didn't say that. It's just -- it's early. So is performing generally in line with expectations.Don Fandetti:
Okay. Thanks.Operator:
Thank you. We’ll take our next question from Jeff Adelson with Morgan Stanley.Jeff Adelson:
Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. John, I just wanted to kind of follow up on the charge-off guide. I know you've mentioned that you're hopeful this -- your comment at the low end. But could you maybe just dive into what would take us to the low versus the high end here? And if this delinquency formation slowing continues throughout the year, is that kind of what's embedded in your expectation at getting at the low end here?John Greene:
Yes. Thank you. Yes. So our baseline is that it's going to come in at the low end. Now I shared the information in terms of the macros that we use for reserves pretty consistent in terms of what we used for our, what I'll say, the second half view of charge-offs. So what could make that worse? Certainly, change to the macros, some servicing issues, which highly unlikely or a miss in terms of forecasting. I'm comfortable with our forecasting team. I'm comfortable with our servicing team and we've got a number of programs, and we've dedicated a lot of dollars in terms of analytics, in terms of call frequency and best time to call, and we've worked on our call scripts to ensure they're compliant but also effective in terms of prioritizing payments. So I feel – feel good about that. So the range just reflects a level of kind of broad uncertainty that we're going to tighten.Jeff Adelson:
Got it. And just as my follow-up, as we think about the NIM guide this year, I know you mentioned you're embedded in an expectation of four rate cuts. If I think about where NIM exited the year though, it feels like the range of rate cuts using your 5 basis points for every 25, it seems like there's more rate cut that embedded in there. Can you maybe just help us understand the drivers is, there may be a little bit more interest accrual reversal going on? And maybe help us understand what you're assuming in positive betas on the way down? Is it going to be a little bit slower than what we've seen in the last four rate cuts on the way up?John Greene:
Yes. So good question. So let me start off with 2023 and then the fourth quarter of 2023. So as business, my view is great execution in terms of being able to kind of manage net interest margin, so year-over-year, we're up. I think we're an outlier, and that's from that standpoint in financial services. What we saw in the fourth quarter was cost of funding increased as lower rate CDs term out and higher rate CDs would come in. Our OSA rate remains competitive. And the expectation on beta is that it will be in the mid-70s in a declining rate. And I hope that the beta on the declining rate is higher. Also something that's not baked into the elements of the guidance. But certainly, with the exit of student loans or the proposed exit from the student loan business, that's going to throw a lot of liquidity back into the business. That will give us an opportunity to be slightly more aggressive in terms of deposit pricing. That -- again, that will be a second half activity. So the four rate cuts that we put into the baseline assumption, again, two more than what we had forecasted in December. It could be as many as six, which if it is, that will certainly impact deposit betas and deposit pricing and consequentially net interest margin. So the guide here, I think, is appropriate, perhaps a little conservative. And our baseline expectation is that we're going to deliver to the upper end of the –– the guidance range.Jeff Adelson:
Okay. Thank you for taking my questions.Operator:
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Terry Ma with Barclays.Terry Ma:
Hi, thanks. Good morning. Maybe I just want to touch on the loan growth guide for 2024 a little bit. Aside from the balance transfers and promos, how much control do you actually have on growth because going from 15% loan growth to 0% just seems like a hard pivot to me. So maybe can you just talk a little bit more about that? And then my second question is just what needs to happen before you can actually grow again, and is there a way to think about what that growth rate looks like as we look out towards 2025 and beyond? Thank you.John Greene:
Okay. Thanks Terry. So, I think it's important to take a look at the quarterly trends on loan growth versus the total year because each quarter, what you will see is that the amount of loan growth decreased quarter-over-quarter. And that was partly due to payment rate, partly due to underwriting standards, and partly due to kind of sales activity slowing as well. So, in 2024, we've guided to loan growth to be flat. Again, payment rate is 100 basis points higher than it was in 2019. That could be a positive if it holds where it ended the year, it's not going to impact loan growth. So, I feel like what we've tried to do here is put something on the table that's reasonable that doesn't reflect a level of undue risk taking in a time where consumer behavior is actually changing relatively dynamically. If you think back 2.5 years ago coming out of the pandemic to kind of where it is today and also the impact of inflation that hit certainly all consumers, but certainly in terms of our prime revolver -- consumers, the lower -- third of those consumers were impacted fairly significantly by inflation. So, we do want to kind of watch, as I said previously, watch delinquency formations and our other metrics before we press on the gas on generating high level of new accounts in 2024.Terry Ma:
Thanks. And is there a way to think about what growth would look like before when you reaccelerate?John Greene:
Yes, I would go back to kind of historical growth rates. The companies typically delivered somewhere between 3% and 8% year-over-year growth. And then we feel like our underwriting and credit and the opportunity to lend profitably at a rate higher than that, we will do that. So what -- an important thing for our investors to remember is we seek to generate high returns over the short, mid and long-term. And that's essentially what this plan is seeking to deliver.Eric Wasserstrom:
So, Todd, I think we have time for one more, please.Operator:
Thank you, sir. We'll go next to John Hecht with Jefferies.John Hecht:
Morning guys. Thanks for taking my question. I know you've answered a lot on credit, so I apologize for one more. But your 2018 and 2019 charge-off levels were in the low 3% range. And I think we -- we've all kind of said that was a good environment, but a relatively normal environment. You're guiding toward a high -- relatively higher, closer to 5% charge-off rate this year despite low unemployment. I know you kind of called out the 2022 vintage is something to think about there. But maybe can you talk about the attribution of the difference in charge-off rates between that period and now? I think the kind of -- the reason for the question is just to give us a sort of level of understanding of where we are in the credit cycle and give us comfort that things will stabilize, if not improve from here?John Greene:
Yes, happy to, John. So, a few points. So, we're in a significantly different environment today than we were back in 2018 and 2019. So, we're coming off of two years of abnormally low losses, so sub 2%. We had an incredibly high payment rate in -- going back two years ago, that is normalized. What we're seeing is that consumers had significant amount of savings. Those savings levels have been depleted. You had a spending pattern with the consumers across the Board that was reflecting kind of pent-up demand. And as savings rate came down, the consumers needed to adjust their spending patterns. Some did successfully, some not. And then you're also seeing inflation, if you go back 1.5 years or two years ago, inflation significantly outpacing wage growth. And that put certainly the lower quartile of the consumers in a significant amount of stress and that's across all sectors of the economy. So not specifically to our prime revolver segment. And on top of that, you also had in '21 and '22, two very large vintages. And so you put all those together, what naturally is going to happen is you're going to have charge-offs. What I'll say is peak before they normalize back to levels that you're accustomed to seeing from Discover. So my sense is that given real wage growth, our consumers will end up in, frankly, a better spot in '24 and '25 than they were in '22 and '23. And our charge-off forecast and reserves reflect a view that the consumers will manage through this and delinquency formation will continue to slow. So anyway, I hope that -- hopefully, this color is helpful.John Hecht:
That's super helpful. And maybe could you give us a sense of the charge-offs by product or maybe like the -- is the mix going to be consistent with historical mixes just to give us a sense from a modeling perspective?John Greene:
Yes. The only piece of information I'm going to give is in the fourth quarter, we expect student loan charge-offs to be significantly lower because we’re exiting.John Hecht:
Thank you.Eric Wasserstrom:
All right. Well, I think we're going to conclude the call there. Thank you for joining us. I know there was a few of you still in queue, who we didn't get to, but feel free to reach out to the IR team. We'll be around all day and available to answer additional questions. Thanks for joining us, and have a great day.Operator:
And this does conclude today's Discover Financial Services earnings conference call. You may disconnect your line at this time, and have a wonderful day.Operator:
Good morning. My name is Chelsea, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Third Quarter 2023 Discover Financial Services Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there'll be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Eric Wasserstrom, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.Eric Wasserstrom:
Thank you, Chelsea, and welcome to this morning's call. I'll begin on Slide 2 of our earnings presentation, which you can find in the Financials section of our Investor Relations website, investorrelations.discover.com. Our discussion today contains certain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to our notices regarding forward-looking statements that appear in our third quarter earnings press release and presentation. Our call today will include remarks from our Interim CEO, John Owen, and John Greene, our Chief Financial Officer. After we conclude our formal comments, there will be time for a question-and-answer session. During the Q&A session, you will be permitted to ask one question, followed by one follow-up question. After your follow-up question, please return to the queue. Now, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to John.John Owen:
Thank you, Eric, and thanks to our listeners for joining today's call. As I shared a few months ago, I have three priorities in my role as Interim CEO. First is, continue delivering a great customer experience at every touch point, which we do by providing our customers award-winning service and products. At the heart of this is, a team of more than 20,000 employees connected by common values and a shared mission to help people achieve a brighter financial future. Our second priority is to advance our culture of compliance. We have made significant strides in this area. By now, you've all had the opportunity to review the consent order issued by the FDIC in September. Consistent with the terms of this consent order, we have made meaningful investments in improving our corporate governance and enterprise risk management capabilities, and expect to drive further enhancements across the organization in the coming quarters. We have also started the process of engaging with our merchant partners on the card misclassification issue, remain in active dialog with our regulators on this topic. The resolution of this issue is likely to be complex and we anticipate it will take several quarters fully resolve. Our third priority is to sustain our strong financial performance. In the third quarter, revenue was up 17% year-over-year, driven by strong asset growth. Our credit losses continued to perform in-line with expected ranges. In addition, we were off to a strong start with the launch of our Cashback Debit product. We continue to believe that this product will be an important channel to welcome many new customers into our company. To highlight the Discover experience and support our brand and banking products, we're proud to have just introduced a new national advertising campaign featuring celebrity spokesperson, Jennifer Coolidge. As we continue to advance our priorities, we are focused on preserving and enhancing the elements to make Discover a great place to work. Last month, we're ranked among the 2023 Fortune Best Workplaces in Financial Services & Insurance. This accolade builds upon our recognition as one of Fortune 100's Best Companies to Work For. Before handing the call off to John Greene, I'll briefly comment on the CEO search. The Board is considering several excellent candidates both internal and external, remain confident that we will identify the next outstanding leader for this organization in the coming months. In summary, we continue to target excellence in all parts of our business, driving sustainable, long-term financial performance. I will now hand the call off to John to review our results in more detail.John Greene:
Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with our financial summary results on Slide 4. In this quarter, we reported net income of $683 million, down from just over $1 billion in the prior-year quarter. Provision expense grew by $929 million, reflecting an increase in reserves and charge-offs. Strong loan growth, along with changing macroeconomic and household liquidity conditions drove the increase to our reserve balance. Charge-offs increased due to portfolio seasoning and remain in line with expectations. Revenue grew 17%, deposits grew 23%, and expenses increased 6% year-over-year. Further details are reflected on Slide 5. Net interest income was up $479 million year-over-year, or 17%. Our net interest margin ended the quarter at 10.95%, down 10 basis points from the prior year and down 11 basis points sequentially. This decrease was driven by higher funding costs, which were partially offset by the benefits from higher prime rates. Receivable growth was robust. Card increased 16% year-over-year, reflecting new account growth and a lower payment rate versus the prior year. The payment rate declined about 30 basis points quarter-over-quarter, but remains just under 200 basis points above 2019 levels. Sales volume was relatively flat for the quarter. Personal loans were up 25%, driven by strength in originations over the past year and lower payment rates. We continue to experience strong consumer demand while staying disciplined in our underwriting. Student loans were up 1%. Deposit growth in the quarter was solid with average consumer deposits up 23% year-over-year and 4% sequentially. Our direct-to-consumer balances grew $4 billion. Looking at other revenue on Slide 6. Non-interest income increased $97 million or 16%. This was primarily driven by higher transaction processing revenue from our PULSE business, an increase in loan fee income and strong net discount and interchange revenue. Moving to expenses on Slide 7. Total operating expenses were up $86 million or 6% year-over-year and up 4% from the prior quarter. This increase is driven primarily by investments in our compliance and risk management programs, and is reflected across several of our expense line items. Looking at our major expense categories, compensation costs were up $24 million, or 4%, primarily from increased headcount. The increase in information processing expense was driven by software licensing renewals, professional fees reflect an increase in third-party support as we focus on accelerating our compliance and risk management efforts. Moving to credit performance on Slide 8. Total net charge-offs were 3.52%, 181 basis points higher than the prior year and up 30 basis points from the prior quarter. In card, we continue to see the effects of seasoning of newer accounts, which have higher delinquency rates than older vintages. Losses remained consistent with targeted ranges. These newer vintages support strong long-term profitability. Turning to the allowance for credit losses on Slide 9. This quarter, we increased our reserves by $601 million and our reserve rate increased by 22 basis points to just over 7%. The reserve increase reflects a modest deteriorating macroeconomic outlook, increasing delinquencies and higher loan balances. Our macro assumptions reflect a relatively strong labor market, but also consumer headwinds from declining savings rates and increasing debt burdens. Looking at Slide 10. Our common equity Tier 1 for the period was 11.6%. The sequential decline of 10 basis points was driven largely by our strong organic asset growth. We declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.70 per share of common stock. Concluding on Slide 11 with our outlook. We now expect our loan growth to be in the mid-teens, as declining payment rates are offsetting the impact of slowing sales. There is no change to our NIM expectations to be approximately 11% for the full year. We're maintaining our expectations for operating expenses to be up low double digits. And there is no change to our expected range for net charge-offs to be between 3.4% and 3.6% for the year. In conclusion, our business fundamentals remain strong. We continue to generate solid financial results, while building out our compliance and risk management capabilities and prudently investing in actions that drive sustainable long-term performance. With that, I'll turn the call back to our operator to open the line for Q&A.Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Sanjay Sakhrani with KBW. Your line is open.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Thanks. Good morning. I just wanted to get a little bit more on the reserve build. As we look ahead, John Greene, can you just talk about like how we should think about that reserve rate increasing from here? Because, obviously, you made some adjustments, but you've said the credit numbers are performing pretty consistent with your expectations. So, is it a reflection on how you see things unfolding next year? Maybe you can just talk about the relation and how we should think about that reserve coverage on a go-forward basis, assuming the unemployment assumptions don't change much.John Greene:
Yeah. Thanks, Sanjay. Appreciate the question. So, let me back up and just give a little bit of an overview in terms of what happened in the quarter and why we increased the reserve rate. So, as we took a look at the portfolio performance and the loan growth, obviously, we had to make a reserve build for loan growth and that represented about 50% of the $600 million. The other 50% or approximately $300 million reflected our view on the macros. Now, while the unemployment numbers remain relatively in line and strong by historical standards, we are seeing some indications of stress. And if we go back to the pandemic and the learnings there, we found that certainly unemployment remains an important factor in terms of reserves, but there's other factors. And what we've done over the past year is try to build into those other factors into our loss models and reserve models, and we've done that. So, as we took a look at household net worth and savings rate, both have deteriorated. And we're seeing deterioration more specifically in lower FICO bands. So, we use those macro factors in order to capture loss content that we felt was appropriate from a reserving standpoint. So, as we look at reserve levels today and into the future, there's a couple of things that I'll say are just kind of general process items. First, it will be dependent on the macro views and whether they remain stable or deteriorating. Second, certainly, the portfolio performance will be a very, very important factor. And then, third will be the timing and trajectory of loss content. So, as losses become closer in terms of our projection period, their probability adjusted and, therefore, could increase reserve rate. Now, there's a lot of detail that I just provided. So, let me give a view of our expectations. So, first, the portfolio is performing generally well, although we are seeing mildly increased stress at the lower FICO bands to mid-FICO bands. We're also seeing that 2022 vintage performed slightly worse than '21, '23 although highly profitable. So, as we look forward to '24, we'll run our process and adjust the reserve as we deem most appropriate. An important piece will also be the charge-off trajectory. So, what we've said previously is we expect charge-offs to peak sometime around the midpoint of the year to the second half of the year, if -- second half of 2024. So, if we don't see a slowing in delinquency rates between now and first quarter, certainly that could be an indication that we'll have to take incremental provisions. So, a lot there. Hopefully enough for you to be able to digest and move forward with.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Yeah. Thank you. That's clear. And just under the banner of sort of regulatory stuff, question number one, it doesn't seem like there is a whole lot to update in terms of other actions. We obviously got the consent order. And then, I saw in the perspective for 2023, you still have a pause for the capital management fees not any change to that. So, could you just give us a sense of sort of how to think about that unpausing of the share repurchase? I know John Owen mentioned it might take several quarters to resolve the merchant issue. So, just trying to reconcile these -- those comments. Thanks.John Greene:
Sure. Yeah, I'll take that one too, Sanjay. So, let me first start out by saying our capital allocation priorities aren't changed. So, invest in the business and return excess capital to shareholders. That's very clear from our business model, our management team and our Board. The second piece to the answer relates to our continued work on the card tiering issue and other governance issues. So, we're making reasonably good progress on both of those. And what we'll do as part of our 2024 planning process is we'll make a recommendation to the Board regarding our capital actions and, specifically, the buyback. And then, we'll provide an update on our January call associated with our fourth quarter earnings.John Owen:
Let me just add a little bit to John's answer on kind of where we are from a regulatory standpoint. The FDIC consent order that was made public this month related really to findings from end of 2021 looking back. As we said before, we've made significant investments in our risk management compliance capabilities over the last 18 months. From a spending standpoint, we've increased our spending from $225 million in 2022 to about $460 million in 2023. But I would tell you, as we've made good progress resolving many of our issues, but we still have a significant amount of work to do before we're satisfied with where we are. On the card misclassification issue, it's not part of that FDIC consent order, that's a separate matter. And where we are on that? As we've mentioned before, we did have an outside law firm complete an investigation on the card misclassification issue. That work is substantially complete at this point in time. We've shared that result of that with our Board of Directors and also with our regulators. At this point in time, we're awaiting feedback from regulators.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Bill Carcache with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.Bill Carcache:
Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to follow up on the reserve rate comments. John Greene, you've referenced several macro variables impacting the reserve and you also cited higher delinquencies, which are more idiosyncratic. Some investors are concerned that rising DQs may be a function of more than just seasoning. Maybe could you just help us with what your response would be to the concern that some investors have expressed that outsized reserve build is a sign that Discover may have reached for growth too aggressively during the pandemic and is now facing the consequences, perhaps what could ultimately end-up being greater credit degradation in 2024 and possibly beyond, particularly since we're still in an environment where the unemployment rate is 3.5%?John Greene:
Yeah. Thanks, Bill. So, let me go back a little bit and be real clear about what happened in the second half of '21 and '22 in terms of originations. So, second half of '21, we resumed and we went back to our traditional credit box. In the early part of '22, we continued with that traditional Discover credit box. We did do a test in marginal prime and near prime which we turned on. We saw the results and we turned off in the second quarter or early third quarter of '22. So, about six months of originations, not dramatic volume by any means, but certainly a test, it's a good opportunity to learn to see if we could capture some unprofitable share. What we found was, those accounts weren't meeting our return of volatility threshold. So, they were shut down. The rest of the '22 vintage was within the traditional credit box that Discover had. And '23 remains there, although we're peeling back. I will say this, the '22 vintage was certainly outsized as a result of demand and great execution from our marketing team. The profitability of that still remains very, very strong in the short-term, medium-term and long-term. So, if we're going to do it all over again, at this point, we'd certainly answer definitively, yes, we would continue to originate the loans that we put on the books. But that vintage is significantly larger than other vintages. So, the natural loss content of new originations is somewhere between 12 and 24 months, and we expect that to play out, and as I've said, the delinquencies and charge-offs to peak sometime in 2024. So, I hope that is helpful in terms of giving it a little bit of color in terms of the process we went through, our risk tolerance, and what we expect to see from those vintages.Bill Carcache:
Yes, that's helpful. Thanks, John. And appreciate that. If I could ask a follow-up of John Owen, could you speak to the possibility of potentially, I guess, your overall interest level in potentially pursuing strategic alternatives for any of the other businesses, whether that be student lending or anything else? Or is that more likely to wait -- are you more likely to hold off until the new CEO kind of comes on board, which you mentioned, is probably in the next several months?John Owen:
Yeah. Happy to talk about that. As you know, we really can't speculate or talk about rumors or selling parts of the business. What I can tell you is part of our strategic planning process that we do every year is to evaluate all of our businesses for returns and fit from a strategic standpoint. We do that as an annual process. We are going through that process as we speak. But again, that's something we do as part of our annual planning process.Bill Carcache:
Thank you for taking my questions. Appreciate it.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Ryan Nash with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.Ryan Nash:
Hey, good morning, guys.John Greene:
Good morning, Ryan.Ryan Nash:
So, John, you reiterated the expense guidance for '23, which is obviously a positive, and I'm sure you're going through the budgeting process right now. But I guess based on what you know today regarding the consent order, the work that John Owen that you referenced that you're doing, you've made substantial progress plus overall inflation, any sense for what expense growth is going to look like into 2024? Maybe just talk about some of the moving pieces that you expect to drive the expense base next year?John Greene:
Sure. I'm not going to be real specific on '24. We're still in the process of building out the budget and we're yet to share our recommendation with the Board. But I can give you a general kind of direction of what we're seeing. So, the first point I think is important to point out there is that, we continue to target our efficiency ratio to be below 40%. Now, that's over the medium-term. Obviously, our execution this year with the revenue growth and even with substantial investments in compliance and in other areas of the business shows an efficiency ratio significantly below 40%. But over the mid-term, that's something I think investors can expect. The second piece that's important is that despite a significant amount of investment in risk and compliance resources, we will continue to be disciplined in our allocation of expense dollars. And we're focused on making sure that the expense dollars that we do spend either help us with our compliance and risk management programs overall or generate positive earnings potential for the firm. So, they're the focal point. In terms of some of the things where we continue to look at, we're looking at our facilities footprint. We expect to be able to continue to make some progress on that. Our third-party spend, we're scrutinizing significantly with the help of our procurement and vendor management teams. And we're going to continue to look at resource levels to make sure they're appropriate for the environment and what we're trying to execute on. So, I hope that provides some context, Ryan, on how we're thinking about the expense base in the aggregate. And that will translate into what we hope is a reasonably good set of expense and efficiency numbers into the future.Ryan Nash:
Got it. Thanks for the color. And maybe the follow-up on some of Sanjay and Bill's question. So, when I think about the comments that you and John made regarding the trajectory of the '22 vintage, '23 likely hasn't begun to [season] (ph) yet inflation weighing on consumers. Can you maybe just help us understand more broadly just thinking about how we should see the trajectory of delinquencies, meaning could we actually see the underperformance that we've experienced get worse as we sort of go through this next period of time given that you do have this really big vintage that's coming through? And any commentary on framing how much of this is seasoning -- and how much of the delinquency performance is seasoning of the book versus actual underlying deterioration that you're seeing in the core customer base?John Greene:
Yeah. A lot to parse there, Ryan. Let me start by kind of walking you through what we're seeing in the portfolio. So, we are seeing kind of differences in performance on customers that historically have been transactor versus revolver. So, our revolver base, we're seeing a more significant decrease in sales activity, which makes sense, right, as they try to manage their household budget. We're seeing accounts that transacted in '21, '20 and '22 beginning to revolve more. So, the revolve rate is back to where we were historically. And the '23 vintages, early indications are that it's performing very, very well. 2022 is performing well, but not as well as 2023. So, my expectation is that delinquencies will slow in the first half of 2024. If that doesn't happen, that's an indication that the stress that the consumers are seeing is more significant than what we're observing today.Ryan Nash:
Thanks for the color, John.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from John Hecht with Jefferies. Your line is open.John Hecht:
Hey, guys. Thanks very much. Actually, most of my questions and the fact just even the last question was exactly overlapping. So, maybe I'll just quickly ask, number one is, maybe a quick update on kind of the competitive environment, what kind of zero balance kind of transfer activity you're engaging in and other kind of factors that you would tie to competition as kind of the credit environment maybe migrates a little bit? And then, what are you guys -- on that front, what are you doing with respect to underwriting to account for some of these changes that you're seeing as well?John Greene:
Great. Yeah. I'll take that. So, the environment continues to be competitive from a card origination standpoint. We are seeing less competition in kind of the lower FICO band. So, remember, we're a prime revolver, so we're focused on prime customers, and the lower tier of origination envelope is, frankly, less competitive. So, we're careful as we're looking at that to make sure that those folks seeking credit are worthy of credit and not going to turn into a subsequent charge-off. The upper prime remains very, very competitive. The rewards competition, you can see it by the television ads, has certainly subsided significantly. So, the market is always competitive. The competition varies among various FICO bands. And we're going to continue to compete and generate positive new accounts, but we're also mindful of the credit situation.John Hecht:
Great. Thank you, guys, very much.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Jeff Adelson with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.Jeff Adelson:
Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. John Greene, just wanted to follow up on the commentary of peak losses. I think you mentioned sometimes in -- sometime in mid to late 2024. I think, last quarter, you talked about maybe this getting pushed into 2025. Is there a risk that maybe the peak kind of plateaus at or around those higher levels? Or do you think, as your 2020 vintage kind of peaks out and starts moderating in size, the losses in delinquency should just naturally drift lower?John Greene:
Yeah. I think it will peak, and then, upon its peak, I think it will stabilize up there for a few quarters, maybe two to three quarters, and then we expect it to come down. That's all subject to kind of the macro environment, obviously. But in terms of what we're seeing today, that's the expectation.Jeff Adelson:
And then, just on the sales volumes, I know they were pretty flattish this quarter. Just wondering, under the hood, what's going on there. Is this representative of maybe more of a slower growth in new accounts? Is maybe your same-store customer still growing at a faster pace year-over-year? And then just maybe thinking through the dynamic of faster network volumes, faster debit volumes, anything going on there that's driving your debit and network volumes to reaccelerate versus your proprietary card volumes to slow?John Greene:
Yeah. So, let me start with sales. So, what we're seeing is a downward trend in sales. So, if you go back to the fourth quarter of '23, we're at about 10% year-over-year growth. First quarter was 8%, 2.5% in the second quarter, and about 1% here in the third quarter and through mid-October, about 1%. Interestingly enough, the dynamics are changing in terms of categories. So, online spend is up around 4% to 5%, every day spend is up about 3%. That's largely inflation driven, we believe. And discretionary is flat to down with the exception of entertainment expense or entertainment-related categories, which is up north of 20%, which is hard for me to understand at this point. But we're trying to dig into the details. In terms of implications for next year, we're going to assume a relatively modest sales growth, maybe slow in the lower single digits. The transactor revolver components of that, I mentioned that already. So, more pullback on the revolver base. The other piece of your question is debit transactions. We've had great execution from our PULSE business. So, we've expanded a number of contractual arrangements and also debit choice routing has actually made a difference in the volumes. So, our PULSE team is executing well and appears to be capturing some share.Jeff Adelson:
Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions.John Greene:
You're welcome.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Rick Shane with JPMorgan. Your line is open.Rick Shane:
Thanks, guys, for taking my questions this morning. Hey, look, you've cited a couple of things that are driving the increase in delinquencies. You've talked about seizing them vintage. You've talked about some exposure to lower FICO scores within the cohorts. At the same time, you guys are starting to apply a lot more machine learning to your portfolio and your process. I'm curious if you are identifying other factors that are contributing to the increase in delinquencies, whether it's age demographic, geography, what might be other factors that are contributing to this in the context of strong labor markets. And then the follow-up to that is, with that information, can you then apply different servicing strategies to enhance that performance?John Greene:
Yeah, you're into the secret sauce of underwriting, Rick. But I'll give you a little bit of overview. So, we spent a lot of time trying to revive -- to update our models. And we looked at, no exaggeration, probably 300 different risk identifiers or risk [leaders] (ph). And what we did find is savings rate is important, household net worth is important, the amount of credit on us, so on the credit report and Discover's balance sheet as well as the amount of credit off are -- continue to be really, really important. And then also, there's some work being done on cash flow underwriting because of some of the off bureau credit that we experienced or the whole market experienced in '21 and '22. So, we're going to continue to look to refine our models and see what we can do to identify accounts that are going to be highly profitable and originate those. In terms of the second part of your question around servicing strategies, there's been a lot of work done on best time to contact, and we've got some machine learning models that are focused on that, as well as best channel to contact, so is it via phone, e-mail, text or other means. All that work is ongoing. And frankly, it will never stop. It will be a continued refinement of the model so that we can collect effectively and originate profitably.Rick Shane:
Got it. Hey, John, it's very interesting, and very helpful. Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Mihir Bhatia with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.Mihir Bhatia:
Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. To start, I wanted to actually ask about personal loans. You're continuing to see some very healthy growth there. Can you talk a little bit more about some of the drivers? I think I know you mentioned a little bit of payment rate pullback, but what about from a competition standpoint? What's driving that? And then, just related to that -- the comments you've been making about on the credit card side, I wanted to understand if you're seeing any meaningful deterioration in credit there? Anything on the -- do the vintage comments apply here? Anything like we should be thinking about there? Are you tightening underwriting currently in that personal loan space too? Yeah, thanks.John Greene:
Yeah. Thanks, Mihir. So, our average ticket on a personal loan is significantly larger than many of our competitors. And the predominant share of the volume now is for debt consolidation efforts. And important to recognize that as part of our underwriting process, when there's a debt consolidation customer, somewhere between 70% to 80% of the disbursement goes to the creditors to ensure that the overall cost of debt for that customer is lowered and, therefore, their ability to pay is high. So that's an important distinction. In terms of growth, what we've seen is, high level of demand, but also a reduction in the payment rate. And that reduction in the payment rate is also been responsible for a very significant chunk of the growth that we've seen in the quarter. In terms of kind of the performance there, it is, what I'll say, returning to more historical performance metrics. But, again, highly profitable, and you can see from the report or from the details in terms of delinquency rates, they've remained very, very low relative to historical standards.Mihir Bhatia:
Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. Maybe if I could just turn back a little for a second to the compliance issue question and the timing, et cetera. It sounds like from what you're saying related to the merchant mispricing issue, the outside law firm has completed the investigation. You've discussed results with regulators already. So, I think a lot of what a lot of people are just trying to understand is what needs to happen for the buybacks to resume. I understand it's difficult to put a specific date out there. But is the overall message, it's going to take several quarters for those to review? Maybe just help us understand what needs to happen here for you to get comfortable. And, again, like, I understand you don't want to put a specific timeframe, but is the right message, like, it's going to be several quarters more? Thanks.John Greene:
Yeah. So, no specific timing on the resumption. So, what we want to do is have further dialogue with our merchants to ensure we're progressing the remediation and the negotiation. We also continue to have discussions with our regulatory agencies and we're looking to progress those. And we're also reviewing our capital positions, right? There's a number of pulls on capital this year. Certainly, the phenomenal loan growth that we've seen, we've got the Basel Endgame that's on the horizon. We have the CECL phase-in also impacting capital levels. So, we're going to take a look at the profitability for 2024. Take a look at the progress we're making on the card tiering issue and overall risk and governance items, and make a recommendation to the Board. So my -- I'll say my key summary here is that our capital priorities haven't changed. We're focused on generating positive earnings to be able to invest in the business and return excess capital to shareholders. Our margin rates remain robust. Our return on equity this quarter and for the year remains really, really strong. So, it's a matter of just making sure we've got the right balance between investing and return of capital.Mihir Bhatia:
Okay. Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Bob Napoli with William Blair. Your line is open.Bob Napoli:
Thank you. Follow-up on return on equity. One of the questions we get, I mean, obviously, Discover has reported very strong ROE for a very long time, with the changes in regulations and potential capital changes. What are your thoughts on Discover being able to generate the types of return on equity that we've seen over the last 15 years or so?John Greene:
Yeah. Certainly, relative to kind of history and then going forward, a couple of important points. So, we have operated with capital well above our operating target for the better part of, I don't know, at least as long as I've been here, four years now. And we are approaching the 10.5% target. I will say that our overall capital position does remain very, very strong, right? So, regulatory minimum is 4.5%, the SCB, 2.5%. So, the required capital, 7%, and we're at 11.6% here on CET1 for the quarter. So, my expectation is we're going to manage the business to continue to generate high returns and deliver a high level of return on equity overall and be able to invest in the business and return excess capital to shareholders. So, as we go out three to five years, it's a bit challenging to predict a regulatory regime and the expectations for institutions such as ours in terms of overall capital levels. But we're well positioned to generate positive capital and return capital.Bob Napoli:
Thank you. I appreciate that. And then, just on -- the overall -- the long-term growth of your business, your core customer, the TAM of your business and the ability for Discover to grow, I mean, I think historically, high-single digit kind of loan growth and spending growth. What are your thoughts? Is the ability to grow at those types of rates what we should continue to expect? And how does the Cashback Debit product maybe affect that growth?John Greene:
Yeah. I mean, certainly, our expectation is to continue to grow, at least in line with kind of the historical norms. The Cashback Debit product, we actually think has a lot of power behind it. So, the features of the product itself are super, right? So, 1% cash back on debit transactions. We have a positive kind of business impact from our ability to capture interchange on those transactions, so that's positive. And then, it's a whole new customer outlet for us. So, executed well, it'll bring in a new cohort of customers that we can then underwrite and cross-sell to and further help the customer experience in terms of meeting additional banking needs and turn that checking product into a credit card relationship or perhaps a personal loan down the road. So, we're super excited about it.Bob Napoli:
Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Kevin Barker with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.Kevin Barker:
I just wanted to follow up on some of the spending on tech in particular in the info processing line. Could you provide a little more detail on some of the projects that you have in place? And whether you expect those to be ongoing or are there additional projects that you anticipate, particularly around tech investment and other investments that you're making within the franchise? Thank you.John Greene:
Yeah. So, we're a digital institution. So, the first piece is we're going to continue to invest in tech and advanced analytics to kind of help the customer experience and then also help us to generate positive returns. Some of the specific projects that we're working on, so we've got a number of advanced analytics programs around collections and around originations in order to be able to service the customers well and then target the right sort of customers. We also did a bunch of work last year and into this year in terms of improving the closure rate of leads from a lead into a funded customer, whether it was a savings or credit customer. This year, we're investing heavily in our risk and compliance systems, so certainly there's tech spend going on there. We also have tech spend related to our on-prem servers and moving to a hybrid and cloud environment, that's certainly a significant spend. And then also, given the risk and compliance issues that we've seen historically, we're spending a lot of time taking a look at how our core systems work, the data that goes in and the data that comes out and what we do with the data, and looking to kind of reduce the amount of manual touches to that data. So, all of that is part of the reason or the reasons why we're seeing kind of information processing and tech spend overall increase this year.John Owen:
Two other areas I would call out. Around our fraud detection, we continue to invest heavily in our fraud detection. That's an ongoing battle every quarter, but we've made significant investments in fraud and continue to push on that area. The second thing, around our digital capabilities as a digital bank. We've got a very easy to use system, easy application process, very easy for customers to open up their Cashback Debit. And so, we spend a lot of time and effort in customer flows and customer engagement and how we onboard customers in a more seamless manner.Kevin Barker:
Thank you for all that detail. And just to follow-up on your investment on enhancing recovery rates, have you seen any particular shift in the recovery rates you have today or where they're trending relative to past cycles?John Greene:
No specific changes to recovery rates. We are seeing more customers seek credit assistance and negotiate settlements. There seems to be a cottage industry developing around that. And that's back in this -- I think it was the month of July, we saw a chunk of charge-offs come through as a result of settlements from these institutions. But overall recovery rates remain strong. The pool of charge-offs to be able to capture recoveries from, obviously, is increasing as the charge-offs increase. So that's actually part of our -- how we take a look at overall credit and reserving.Kevin Barker:
Thank you, John.John Greene:
You're welcome.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Erika Najarian with UBS. Your line is open.Nick Holowko:
Hi, good morning. This is Nick Holowko on for Erika. Thanks for taking our questions. Most of them have been answered, but just wanted to follow up with one question on loan growth. So, obviously, card growth remains really robust and you raised your guidance to mid-teens for the year. And I'm just wondering, given the comments on the stress in the lower and mid FICO scores, and then the delinquency trends, and then your comments that the revolve rate has really normalized, I'm wondering if you can help us with which parts of the FICO band in your portfolio are driving the loan growth, and whether you're seeing any outsized contribution from those on the lower end?John Greene:
Yeah. What we're seeing is kind of loan build driven by two factors. So, it's somewhere between 30% and 40% of the build is -- or the loan growth is from new accounts, and then the remainder is coming from payment rate normalization. So, we're seeing kind of portfolio customers increasing their balances. So -- and that normalization of payment rate is pretty consistent on the upper bands to the -- call it, to the midpoint to the top two-thirds of the portfolio. The bottom third, the payment rate normalized last year, and we're seeing that at pretty close to historical levels, maybe a mild deterioration from that.Nick Holowko:
Got it. Thank you for taking my question.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Dominick Gabriele with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.Dominick Gabriele:
Hey, thanks so much. Something sort of related to that, so we just think about the year-over-year spending growth, roughly 1%, I guess, what was the year-over-year growth in the number of cards or new accounts? And also, what was the -- and just added to that, what is the benefit that Discover saw to spending in the quarter related to gas on the growth? And then, I just have a follow-up. Thanks.John Greene:
Yeah. So, we grew, and I -- we made public comments on this. In 2022, we grew accounts about 20% overall. This year, as we've taken a look at the kind of credit performance, we're on pace to kind of originate about the same number of overall accounts. So, the growth in terms of new accounts will be relatively flat, but the new account generation will be pretty consistent year-over-year. That could change if we [pare] (ph) back credit here in the fourth quarter and into next year. In terms of gas, that was interesting. So, gas was up 1% in the quarter. It was also 5% category. So, when you adjust for kind of the deflationary impact, the usage there was -- or at least through our card was up over 10%.Dominick Gabriele:
Okay, great. And then, obviously, you have a lot of student loans. You're one of the major players. We have the moratorium ending. I know that that doesn't affect you directly perhaps in your own loans, because they're private loans, but what are you seeing in the data that you're watching of how this might be affecting either payment rates or demand for private loans or refinancings? Anything you can provide as far as how this affects the consumer that you're seeing in your data, only in 19 days or whatever, but anything you can provide would be really helpful. Thank you.John Greene:
Yeah. So, we're not seeing anything in our data yet whatsoever. We did actually, a couple quarters ago, quantify what we thought the impact could be to our portfolio in terms of charge-offs. And as it turns out, based on the executive order direction in terms of kind of the repayment structure that the Biden administration is putting in place and making kind of payments levels associated or tied to income levels, we expect the impact on our portfolio to be de minimis. Now, we'll see how it all plays out legislatively, but we're not expecting a significant impact certainly this year, and we'll evaluate to see what happens and take a look at our data to make a determination if it is going to have an adverse impact on our charge-offs. But today, nothing.Dominick Gabriele:
Got it. Thank you.John Greene:
You're welcome, Dominick.Operator:
This concludes the Q&A portion of the call. And I'd now like to turn the floor back over to Eric Wasserstrom for any additional or closing remarks.Eric Wasserstrom:
Well, thank you very much for joining us this morning. If you have any additional questions, please reach out to the IR team and looking forward to hear from you. Thanks very much. Take care.Operator:
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's program, and we appreciate your participation. You may disconnect at any time.Operator:
Good morning. My name is Todd, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Second Quarter 2023 Discover Financial Services Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there'll be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Eric Wasserstrom, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.Eric Wasserstrom:
Thanks, Todd. And good morning, everyone. Welcome to this morning's call. I'll begin on Slide 2 of our earnings presentation, which you can find in financial section of our Investor Relations website investorrelations.discover.com. Our discussion today contains certain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to our notices regarding forward-looking statements that appear in our second quarter earnings release and presentation. On our call today, we'll include remarks from our CEO, Roger Hochschild and, John Green, our Chief Financial Officer. After we conclude our formal comments, there will be time for a Q&A session. During the Q&A session, we ask that you pose one question followed by one follow-up question. After your follow-up question, please return to the queue. Now, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Roger.Roger Hochschild:
Thank you, Eric, and thanks to our listeners for joining today's call. I'll begin by reviewing some of our highlights for the quarter and then discuss the regulatory matter that we've disclosed in our press release. John will then take you through the details of our second quarter results and our updated perspectives on 2023. Last night, we reported second quarter net income of $901 million or $3.54 per share. The quarter was characterized by strong asset and deposit growth, while credit is performing right in line with our expectations. Importantly, we advanced several operational priorities this quarter. One key milestone occurred in May when we relaunched our cash back debit product. We're excited by the positive early results we're seeing so far. In the first few weeks, we opened over 30,000 new accounts and plan to begin national marketing in support of this product in the fall. The relaunch advances our goal of becoming the leading direct bank and over time we expect cash back debit will be a significant entry point into the Discover franchise. We also continue to expand the Discover Global Network. This quarter, we announced five new partnerships in the Asia Pacific region and added a new partnership with Guavapay in the UK. These strategic partnerships underscore our commitment to building out our international acceptance. And lastly, we continue to invest in our human capital. We're honored to have been recognized as the 2023 Best Places to Work for People with Disabilities. This builds upon our recent recognitions as one of Fortune's 100 Best Companies to Work For, Best Workplaces for Parents, and Best Workplaces for Women. As you may have read in our press release last night, beginning around mid-2007, we incorrectly classified certain card accounts into our highest merchant and merchant acquirer pricing tier. We are taking actions correct this card product misclassification going forward and are preparing a program to compensate affected merchants and acquirers. While the financial impacts of this misclassification are not material, it underscored deficiencies in our corporate governance and risk management. We're in discussions with our regulators regarding these matters. We have received a proposed consent order from the FDIC in connection with consumer compliance, which does not cover the misclassification topic. We believe additional supervisory actions could occur. I want to emphasize that we take our business practices and compliance very seriously. We've made significant progress and investment in this area and look forward to working with our Board and our regulators to achieve further advancement. Now I'll hand it over to John to review our results and updated outlook in more detail.John Greene:
Thank you, Roger, and good morning, everyone. I'm going to open by addressing the financial implications of the card misclassification. We have established a liability on our balance sheet of $365 million to accrue for estimated compensation owed to merchant and acquirers. In establishing the liability, we adjusted retained earnings by $255 million net of tax. $11 million was taken this quarter and is reflected in discount and interchange revenue. The first half 2023 impact was $22 million. With that, I'll transition to our financial summary results on Slide 4. From this, you can see that the financial performance of the business remains solid. In the quarter, we reported net income of $901 million, which was 18% lower year-over-year. Our results reflect strong revenue growth partially offset by a provision increase driven by receivable growth and higher expenses. The trends for the quarter were robust loan growth, a low efficiency ratio even as we invested in compliance management and technology, and strong capital and liquidity positions. Further details are reflected on Slide 5. Net interest income was up $567 million year-over-year or 22%. Our net interest margin ended the quarter at 11.06%, up 12 basis points from the prior year and down 28 basis points sequentially. The benefits from higher prime rates were offset by higher funding costs and increased promotional balances. Receivable growth was robust. Card increased 19% year-over-year, reflecting a lower payment rate versus the prior year and modest sales growth. The card payment rate remains stable quarter-over-quarter and about 200 basis points over 2019 levels. Sales volume grew 3% in the quarter. Through mid-July, growth continued to slow and was up about 1%. Turning to our non-card products. Personal loans were up 27% driven by strength in originations over the past year. We continue to experience strong consumer demand while staying disciplined in our underwriting. Deposit growth in the quarter was solid, with average consumer deposits up 20% year-over-year and 4% sequentially. Our direct-to-consumer balances grew $2 billion and consumer deposits made up 66% of our total funding mix. We continue to target 70-plus-percent of funding from deposits. Looking at other revenue on Slide 6. Non-interest income increased $98 million or 16%. This was partially due to a $42 million loss on our equity investments in the prior year quarter compared to a $1 million gain this quarter. Adjusting for these, our non-interest income was up 9%, primarily driven by loan fee income. Moving to expenses on Slide 7. Total operating expenses were up $181 million or 15% year-over-year and up 2% from the prior quarter, primarily driven by our investments in our compliance management systems. These investments impacted several of our expense line items. Looking at our major expense categories, compensation costs were up $73 million or 14%, primarily due to increased headcount. Marketing expense increased $14 million or 6% as we prudently invested for growth, particularly in our deposits and personal loan products. Our commitment to disciplined cost management has not changed and we continue to target an efficiency ratio in the high 30s. Moving to credit performance on Slide 8. Total net charge-offs were 3.22%, 142 basis points higher than the prior year and up 50 basis points from the prior quarter. Consistent with our expectation, we are seeing credit normalization across all of our lending products. Looking ahead in card, we continue to expect the seasoning of new accounts vintages and normalization of older vintages to result in higher losses through the back half of this year and into 2024. Turning to the allowance for credit losses on Slide 9. This quarter, we increased our reserve by $373 million, driven by our double-digit loan growth. Our reserve rate remained flat at 6.8%. Our outlook on the macro economy has improved modestly. We continue to monitor economic conditions and will make adjustments to our expectations as needed. Looking at slide 10, our capital position remains robust. Our common equity Tier 1 for the period was 11.7%, well ahead of regulatory requirements. The cumulative impact of the correction to the financial statements related to the card misclassification reduced our CET1 ratio by approximately 20 basis points. In the quarter, we repurchased 6.8 million shares of common stock and declared a quarterly common dividend of $0.70 per share. As Roger indicated, we are reviewing our compliance, risk management and corporate governance and are in discussions with our regulators on these topics. While this is ongoing, we have decided to pause share repurchases. Concluding on Slide 11 with our outlook. There has been no change to our loan growth expectations to be in the low to mid-teens. We are updating our NIM expectations to be around 11% for the full year, reflecting a combination of slightly lower asset yields driven by promotional mix and higher funding costs. We are raising our guidance for operating expenses to be up low double digits. As previously indicated, we are seeing upward pressure on expenses from the build-out of our compliance management systems. And we are lowering our expected range of net charge-offs to 3.4% to 3.6% based on our current delinquencies and roll rates. To wrap up, our business model continues to generate solid financial results and our capital, funding and liquidity positions remain strong. We continue to invest in actions that drive sustainable long-term performance, enable us to achieve excellence in all parts of our business. With that, I'll turn the call back to our operator, Todd, to open the line for Q&A.Operator:
Thank you. At this time, we will open the floor for questions. [Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Rick Shane of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.Rick Shane:
Thanks guys for taking my questions this morning. Look, I'd love to understand a little bit the link between what you identified in terms of the miscalculation and then how that precipitated the sort of inquiry into governance and consumer tracking?Roger Hochschild:
Sure. So the FDIC matter is not linked to the misclassification. And so the misclassification is a separate issue. The FDIC matter is broadly around our compliance management system. It doesn't mean that the misclassification may not result in further regulatory action, but I don't want to speculate on that.Rick Shane:
Got it. And is the expectation, when we've seen these in the past that they result in things like memorandum of understanding and can do things like either constrain growth limit, repurchases and capital actions, how do you see this playing out? And most importantly, I think what everybody really wants to know is what is a reasonable timeframe to get some further clarity here?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah, it's -- I don't want to speculate on the timeframe of regulatory actions. I would say to your point though, they can take many forms. And so we're working through the draft with our regulators and we'll make more information available and the consent order will itself be public once that's completed.Rick Shane:
Got it. Okay. I realized there's -- you have to be pretty circumspect about what you say here. So, thank you.Roger Hochschild:
Thanks.Operator:
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Betsy Graseck with Morgan Stanley.Jeff Adelson:
Yeah, hi, thanks. This is Jeff Adelson on for Betsy. Just appreciate all the sensitivity around this and understand you're pausing the buyback. I guess, this is -- this is some similar to what we saw last year in terms of regulatory issue and getting ahead of the buyback or freezing the buyback. Just wondering maybe if there's a way to speak to how these two issues kind of compare to the last year student loan servicing issue, maybe in terms of scoping complexity?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. I'll cover that piece and then maybe John can talk a bit about the buyback. So I would say the consent order in student loan servicing was a compliance matter. And so I think there's a link between that and the broader focus on our compliance management system. With that, maybe I'll let John talk a bit about the buyback.John Greene:
Great. And -- thanks Roger. And as it relates to the buyback, we had robust conversations internally whether or not to pause the buyback. And what management recommended to the Board was that we pause the buyback as we work through the details of these compliance and risk management issues and are in conversations with our regulators. I want to reiterate the following though. Our capital allocation priorities remain consistent. So first invest in the business and growth and certainly through this year and into next year into compliance and risk management. And second, the priority will be to return excess capital to shareholders. So no change in terms of the two primary capital allocation priorities. I also want to focus your attention onto the strong capital generation that the business delivered in the quarter and has delivered historically. So we're hoping that we kind of work through these issues in an expedited fashion, but timing, I can't be specific on. So with that, the buyback will provide us much clarity on the timing of resumption when we have information on that.Jeff Adelson:
Okay. Thank you. And just maybe shifting gears a bit here. Just wanted to see if we could get an update on what you're seeing in the consumer in your book today. Could you maybe also give us an update on the spend trajectory you've been seeing so far in July? I know you've talked about the growth rate slowing down to 3% in recent months. Wondering if we're seeing something similar from here?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. So it has slowed down further so far in July, so probably closer to 1%. Not necessarily as bad as it sounds in terms of the health of the consumer because you've got some very challenging comps compared to last year's growth as well as the very, very high level of new accounts we put on last year. And I think overall in terms of payment side, delinquencies and losses as John said are sort of normalizing right on the path we thought they were. And here I think that the strength of the job market is very constructive for our sort of prime consumer base.Jeff Adelson:
Got it. Thanks for taking my questions.Operator:
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Ryan Nash with Goldman Sachs.Ryan Nash:
Hey, good morning guys.Roger Hochschild:
Good morning.Ryan Nash:
Roger, again, I know that we're probably limiting what we could say here on the compliance side, but I guess just a broader question. Can you maybe just help us understand, what are the areas that you feel that the company has underinvested in? And maybe just give us a framework for what you guys are doing in internally to fix these. I understand that John had talked about raising costs, but you -- can you give us a little bit more color in terms of what the investments you're making and what you think the timeline is to get these done?Roger Hochschild:
Sure. John can maybe provide more color on the timeline. I would say it's a multi-year, but it's also something that we have been investing in over the last couple of years. So as you think about your compliance management system, it's everything from risk identification, sort of process mapping, building controls or change management processes, the resources you have around risk management in the first line, the resources you have in the second line in terms of the compliance function, testing, the internal audit, your governance processes. And so we are determined to be as strong on the compliance side and it's excellent there as we are around customer experience, data and analytic, every other aspect of our business model. So this is our top priority and the investment is both on the technology side, outside consultants, but also in terms of headcount here at Discover. John?John Greene:
And then, Ryan, on the trajectory, and so I made this comment publicly about 1.5 months ago. 2019 to 2023, we increased our spend in compliance and I'll say some gentle items to ensure compliance works as we wish it to work. I indicated it was about an increase of $250 million as we relooked at it. We were going to accelerate that spend to probably $300 million increase from 2019 and a $200 million increase ‘22 to ’23. Now the implications for that on ’24, where we sit today, we expect once we achieve that level in ‘23 to be relatively consistent into ’24. And then as we kind of shape this piece of our business into something that we desire, our regulators desire and our shareholders deserve, we expect that expense burn to reduce.Ryan Nash:
Really appreciate all that color. And then maybe just on credit, I think Roger might have talked about the normalization of the front book as well as expectations for the back book to continue to normalize. But you took the credit loss range down a bit. So can you maybe just talk about one where you're seeing the improved performance in, John? As you look out, maybe just talk about your confidence in the curve on losses bending as we approach sort of the midpoint of next year? Thanks.John Greene:
Yeah, great. So yeah, the tightening in the range was reflective of a couple of things. So first, as time moves on, we get more and more comfort with our forecasting on it. And to date, our forecasting has been right on top of actuals, our actuals have been right on top of the forecasting. So that gave us comfort. Second is, as time goes on, we can move from the analytical model to a more kind of traditional roll rate model that gives us a greater level of comfort around the charge-off and delinquency rates 30 day -- 30 days out to 180 days out. So that gave us comfort to tighten that range. And then on top of that, certainly the jobs -- jobs data and the forecast around employment gave us additional comfort. In terms of what we're seeing with the portfolio, exactly what I said in the prepared comments. So the newer vintages seasoning to expectation and older vintages basically normalizing to kind of 2019 levels. In terms of the shape of the curve, what we expect charge-offs to do in the back half of this year is the acceleration in terms of the rates of charge-off to begin to slow. And currently, we're expecting, kind of, charge-offs to peak in the second half of ‘24. It may push a little bit into ’25, but right now we're seeing it in the second half of ‘24 and then reach the level, which likely will stabilize that for two to three quarters after.Ryan Nash:
Great. Thanks for all the color.Operator:
Thank you. We'll take our next question from John Hecht with Jefferies.John Hecht:
Morning, guys. And thanks for taking my questions. First one is that we talked about you giving us some sort of good trajectory of the normalization of the credit trends, which I guess occurs later this year, early into next year. I'm wondering given kind of the comps and stabilization of inflation and so forth, when do you expect to see normalization of loan growth and your guys opinions, what is the -- what is kind of the normalized level of loan growth?John Greene:
Yeah. So certainly real robust loan growth in the first half of this year and the last quarter of 2022. We expect the rate of increase to slow certainly in the third and fourth quarter and also against really, really strong comps from 2022. And traditionally what this business has delivered is loan growth somewhere between 2 times and 4 times GDP growth. Now, we don't know what GDP is going to look like right now into ‘24, but I would say this. We did cut the edges on the lower credit quality, which is -- will impact new account growth in card for the balance of this year. We're seeing, as Roger indicated, and I mentioned in my comments, sales growth to slow and probably stabilize in the single digits. So that will also impact loan growth for the balance of this year and into next year. So the stabilized number is a multiple of GDP typically unless there's some change to the macros that indicates it's a good investment to either open up credit or appropriate to tighten credit.John Hecht:
Yeah. That's a helpful framework to think about. And then with respect to the expense guide, I think you talked about some investment in compliance and some investment in technology and so forth. I'm wondering is there -- is there, maybe talk about the competitive climate at this point relative to the past few years. Is there any spending required from a competitive perspective or do you have any -- can you characterize the overall competitive environment as well?Roger Hochschild:
I think we continue to see good results from the way we put to work on the marketing front in terms of our cost per account. Obviously, we've talked about the relaunch of cash back debit. We'll put some money against that, including the mass market campaign in the fall, but have been excited with what we're seeing in terms of the cost per funded account there. So while -- yeah the competitive environment is always intense across all of our businesses, we feel good about how our value proposition is competing out there across all of our consumer products.John Hecht:
All right, guys. Thanks very much.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Don Fandetti with Wells Fargo.Don Fandetti:
Hi. John, I was wondering if you could talk on the merchant miscalculation. Was that found internally or was that brought to you by a regulator or third party?John Greene:
It was found internally.Don Fandetti:
Okay, great. And then on NIM, it sounded like the trajectory was pretty good in general. And now it's going to be around 11%. Is there more promotional than you thought or more deposit competition, can you talk a bit about that?John Greene:
Yeah. The -- it's a little bit of both actually. So we ended ‘22 at 11.04%. We said that we would be -- initial guidance up modestly. And then in the first quarter call, we said NIM has likely peaked and then it would begin to move downward and what I'll say normalize, likely to a higher level than it has been historically. So in the quarter, the reason that we tweak that guidance was we are -- we are investing in promotional balances. So attracting new customers or building balances with existing customers. Now, the returns on those offers are fantastic. The impact on NIM in the short term and the promotional period, it's minor. But given our activity there, it took a few points of net interest margin out. And we thought that was an important impact to communicate. Second, in terms of deposit competition, we had said that we thought that the beta would come in somewhere around 60% to 70%. What we've seen in late in the first quarter and into this quarter was our competitive set being more aggressive in terms of price increases. And as I've communicated in the past, we don't seek to be a price leader here. We try to compete on our brand, our customer offering, our digital assets that are first class in order to attract deposit customers. And we've been very successful as you can tell by the numbers there. But part of the proposition is also price. So what we're seeing now is betas likely to be north of 70% which is impacting net interest margin to the extent I just talked about in the guidance point. So those two factors are playing most substantially on the revised outlook.Don Fandetti:
Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Sanjay Sakhrani with KBW.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Thanks. Good morning. I have a follow-up on a couple of points made on the consent order. Maybe the first one, just on the share repurchase pause. Is that action taken in terms of prudence or out of an abundance of caution? Or do you think that there could be a material impact to your capital position? And I guess secondly, just on, John, you talked about the pressures on expenses into 2024. I guess, like, are there -- is there a leverage on other expense lines to sort of moderate the overall implications for the year?John Greene:
Yeah. Thanks, Sanjay. So the decision on the share repurchase was out of prudence. We have done a number of tests internally, stressing a number of factors, so that for example, the CCAR process we go through includes extreme stress. We dusted that off and ran some simulations. And the output of that was that both capital and liquidity, even in an extreme situation, remain well above regulatory requirements. So we feel comfortable about our capital and liquidity. The issue on the share repurchase was again out of prudence given what we have going on in the organization and we wanted to make sure that our actions are consistent with the right message in terms of being conservative and dealing with the first level of priority. In terms of…Sanjay Sakhrani:
Okay.John Greene:
In terms of expense leverage, we continue to look at all of the lines and all of the investments we make in our expense base and the incident management situation we're dealing with in terms of resources to get that under control. That's a significant investment. Some resources supplement technology, people and consultants, certainly an investment. On the indirect side, we continue to leverage our procurement organization and ensure that, first, we concentrate on demand management and then, second, on making sure there's a fair value exchange. So that's the plan right now and will be the plan through the balance of this year.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Okay. I guess follow-up just for Roger. I know you've gotten this question in the past and I'm just thinking about the higher teasers and such. I mean what makes you comfortable growing sort of mid-teens, high teens above the really strong lapping of very strong growth a year ago? I mean, I'm just thinking about just the complexion of the accounts you're bringing in that makes you very comfortable here because it's obviously having some implications on the NIM.Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. Good question, Sanjay. You have seen that growth start to slow a bit. And I think it isn't necessarily that far out of line with what you're seen from our other, I'd say sophisticated prime focused competitors. It is really strong demand for the product. And as we've been clear, we have been tightening, not loosening credit, and are watching the accounts we book very carefully. And so we're always ready to make adjustments whether it's in the card product, the personal loan or elsewhere. But again, we feel good and are closely monitoring the performance. Within the credit, we're making adjustments continuously both on the portfolio side and the new account side. But these are very strong new accounts we're bringing in. And I think part of it is the differentiated value proposition that Discover offers continues to resonate well with our target customer.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Thanks.Operator:
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Kevin Barker with Piper Sandler.Kevin Barker:
Great. Thanks for taking my questions. I just wanted to follow-up on the expenses in particular. You said you continue to target efficiency ratio in the high 30s. Could there be a time where you may have to make additional investments, particularly around compliance that would have you go above the high 30s efficiency ratio for a short period of time before returning back to it, just given the near-term impacts of both additional marketing spend on debit account and the compliance issues? Thank you.John Greene:
Sure. So as we sit here today, we feel comfortable with what we shared in terms of low double digit expense growth this year. We've taken a preliminary look at next year. We'll share -- we'll share that at appropriate time after -- after we kind of review and get our plan approved by our Board. But I'm feeling like it's very, very achievable. And that's why we -- we enunciated that target or that goal. But I would say this. As we see opportunities to grow profitably and not -- no contradiction to Roger's point earlier about the demand for our products, but we'll continue to take a look and invest for the medium term and longer term. And we're going to do that on the growth side. We're focused right now on the compliance side and we'll dial each of the expense levers in order to ensure we achieve results that our shareholders want, that our Board expects and that the management team expects.Kevin Barker:
Are there any particular areas where you see the most opportunity to create efficiencies, whether it's marketing or headcount or anything out there that you see that can allow you to continue to hit your goals?John Greene:
Yeah. So we're investing in advanced analytics that we're driving efficiencies in our rewards cost. We continue to look at third-party spend and have achieved great results in terms of year-over-year reduction in unit cost. The situation this year is that we've invested heavily in resources, people. So we're up -- we're about up about 3,000 people this year. So when you bring on additional people, both in collections and customer service as well as salary personnel, there's other costs that go along with it. So as we manage through this situation, I continue to believe there will be opportunities to drive efficiencies by combining like activities, taking a look at how resources are deployed to organizational structures and over time optimizing that. But right now, with the situation we're in, we've decided that the first priority is get the right resources in to focus on the issues we've talked about. And then we're going to be able to drive efficiencies in the future.Kevin Barker:
Okay. Thank you for taking my questions.Operator:
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Mihir Bhatia with Bank of America.Mihir Bhatia:
Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Wanted to start maybe just on the business and the application quality of new applicants that you're seeing. I think you mentioned in response to John's question tightening underwriting. I guess, firstly, was that a new action you took in the second quarter? And then just related to that tightening of underwriting and application quality, I was wondering just if you -- I know you've talked in the past about monitoring -- actively monitoring the health of the consumer and the portfolio. Was there -- is there something you're seeing that is flashing red or caution that's making you tighter underwriting further here or just trying to understand who is the demand environment who is applying for a new loan currently, what's driving some of the underwriting changes?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. Good question. So the tightening was not in the second quarter and was not in response to something we're seeing. And actually in terms of applicant quality, whether it's for home equity, personal loans, student loan or in card, where we're seeing very stable characteristics in terms of average FICO, in terms of the custom scores we use. So it was a series of changes we made, I would say, in prior quarters. But a lot of stability in terms of the quality of applicant over the course of this quarter.Mihir Bhatia:
Got it. And then maybe switching gears to the debit product that was relaunched. Can you talk just longer term strategically, what is the, I guess, the thinking behind that product, what is the goal, is the idea there, this is -- the opportunity to deepen relationships with customers and lower and how will that benefit you? Will it be through better NIM because if they're offering rewards, you can -- you don't necessarily need to offer as higher interest rates? Like, just talk a little bit more strategically about why the product makes sense to invest in for Discover and how you expect the growth trajectory of that product to go over the next few quarters here?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah, great question. So, our aspiration is to be the leading digital bank. And so when you think about a digital bank, you think about the core DDA or debit product. And because we have a proprietary network, we can offer rewards in debit in a way no other large bank can. And it builds on our heritage around cashback and as the inventor of credit card rewards. So it's not just to cross-sell to our card customers. We think that this can pretty quickly become a significant entry point into the franchise for new customers. And then over time, much as we've done on the card side, if you can provide a superior value proposition and customer experience, they will want to buy other products from you whether that's a savings account and savings accounts where you also have the checking account and to have a lower beta or the card product. So again, a very important initiative for us, I think over time, will help continue transforming Discover. And we're excited for the potential and you'll see significant marketing against it this fall.Mihir Bhatia:
Got it. And then just my last question. Just coming back to the compliance issue, look, I appreciate it's difficult provide too many details right now. But maybe just on the timing, give us some frame of reference, like, given that this is -- it sounds like the FDIC consent order also is related to compliance issues. You have the student loan issue. Now you have this issue. Does that entail a much longer review period or do you think this can go pretty quickly here like a quarter or two to go through? Again, I'm not saying when you resume buyback but at least like when you expect the review to be complete, what are you trying to -- how quickly are you trying to complete the review internally? And then I understand maybe the buyback discussion probably involves regulators and could be -- it's a little bit harder to cite. But at least the review maybe you can tell us, what your target is for like when you're trying to complete the review?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. And to frame the compliance issue, I would not over-focus on the regulatory portion. This is something where we as a team know we are not where we want to be and it is our top priority. So it is aligned with the views of the regulators, but our focus is taking many forms, from simplifying our architecture, automating manual processes, streamlining and standardizing business processes, bring on some great new talent as John talked about into the firm. And we know that the result will not just be better compliance but a better customer experience and more efficient organization. So the regulatory piece is important, but I would say what most -- is most important is the commitment from me, the team, the Board on achieving excellence in this area. That will be a multi-year initiative. But again, I think critically important to the future of the company and one that we as a team are very excited about. I would also separate that from the buyback. But again, it will be a journey on the compliance side, but one that we are 100% committed to.Mihir Bhatia:
Okay. Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Erika Najarian with UBS.Nick Holowko:
Hi. This is Nick Holowko on for Erika. Thanks for taking my question. Just one more around the consent order and compliance issues. As you think about the operational complexity of the businesses you operate in and as you go through your view looking into these issues, do you feel like there may be an opportunity to take a closer look at some of the businesses you operate in, whether that might be student loans or anywhere else? Thank you.Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. I'll talk maybe more broadly about operational complexity and then John can talk about the businesses. I think there's a great opportunity to simplify, whether it's -- we may have a similar process that is done differently. And again, we have a much more, I would say, homogeneous set of business is than just about any other bank or size. So we think there are significant opportunities to simplify, and again, those won't just help from a compliance standpoint over time once the investments are made, it will also help on the efficiency side.John Greene:
Yeah. And then regarding our businesses and products, we think about this in line with our capital allocation priorities, our connections to our customer base and what we can manage and manage well. So we didn't start today. Historically, we've looked at all our products, our returns and as we look at those, we've made decisions to invest in order to drive growth or achieve compliance excellence. So we're going to continue to look at that. And if something's below our return targets, then we'll fix it and invest or we'll look at other alternatives. But certainly, the focus today is to take our existing products, make sure they're good offering that we can deliver those in a compliant way and drive a good return for our shareholders.Nick Holowko:
Got it. Thank you for taking my question.Operator:
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Bob Napoli with William Blair.Bob Napoli:
Thank you, and good morning. And I -- just from a big picture perspective with the competitive environment, the compliance environment, Roger, as you look at your business, what is your confidence that Discover can deliver the types of returns that it has that investors have come used to over the last 10 to 20 years? Is there -- are you confident in delivering those returns with the higher compliance bar or the competitive set?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. I'd start by saying yes, right? This is an investment we need to make. It is the top priority for the company, but one that I think we will be able to do to fix. And again, over time, we'll see benefits not just in compliance, but in a better customer experience as well as more efficient. If you step way back, I've never been more excited about Discover's business model and how it compares. I think you're seeing the strength of our deposit franchise at a time when many banks are being tested, we have the scale and resources to compete with anyone. We're making the investments to be at the leading edge around data and analytics, are winning awards for our customer experience on not only just the card side, but also our deposit products. We have the re-launch of cash back debit. So in terms of the business model, and the returns we can give to our owners, in my 25 years at Discover, I've never been more excited. To get to all of that though, we need to get to where you need to be on the compliance standpoint. That's a critical part of operating a bank, a financial services organization. We are not where we need to be and we are going to get there.Bob Napoli:
Thank you. And a follow-up, just on compliance, having followed Discover for a very long time, coming out of the great financial crisis, there was a lot big investment in compliance across the industry including -- at Discover. Has it become more difficult? I mean, I know there's been a number -- quite a few consent orders put out by regulators, but has it become -- maybe give us some color on what you're investing in compliance today. I don't know, if it's people or percentage of expenses versus historically, and how has it become a lot more difficult?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. It certainly is a challenging environment, but I'm not going to blame that, right? As I look back, I do believe we under invested and that's something I take accountability for, but we are very focused on it now. And as John, I think, highlighted, that investment takes many forms. Right? From bringing in some highly talented folks within the compliance area, building out our monitoring and controls, investments on the technology side to standardize, simplify, automate manual processes, as you think about it, compliance, a lot of the folks, it's risk management, right? And traditionally, we've been very strong around credit risk management, around liquidity risk management, but have not necessarily made the investments we needed, especially as the complexity of our business increased. As we got into more new products, I think there was a gap there in terms of our capabilities and that's what we're focused on now.Bob Napoli:
Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Arren Cyganovich with Citi.Arren Cyganovich:
Thanks. On the net charge-off peak that you highlighted for -- into second half of ‘24 and possibly into ’25, is that an expectation that it would go north of kind of your normal underwriting charge-off rate?John Greene:
Thanks, Arren. No, I mean, we gave charge-off range. Now there's a numerator and denominator impact on that calculation, of course. But our underwriting is focused on prime revolver. Prime revolver behavior in our targeted segments looks very, very consistent to where it's been historically. And our return expectations remain high and we've been able to deliver on that. So in terms of is it going to be north and where it was historically, we have seasoning of those new vintages. But our credit box has been relatively consistent, our analytics to kind of target customers and understand kind of risk factors, I feel like has improved over the four years I've been here and certainly a longer journey than that. So the trajectory to me looks very, very comfortable in terms of continuing to be able to deliver high returns and generate capital.Arren Cyganovich:
Okay. Thanks. And then just to clarify on the expense commentary, it sounds like you're not planning to pull back on marketing opportunities as your compliance costs are rising. And then if you could just clarify the numbers that you gave earlier, are those annual numbers? I think you said like $50 million up to $250 million and then $350 million and then down to $200 million. I'm just a little confused on the -- on the trajectories there.John Greene:
Trajectory of the compliance management cost? Was that your question, Arren…Arren Cyganovich:
Yeah.John Greene:
…or overall? Yeah. So I'll start with marketing and I'll focus on the client second. We haven't made a decision to pull back on marketing. We still see opportunity to generate positive returns from the customers that we're targeting in that prime revolver segment. And we're also putting money towards helping people understand our deposit products and hopefully find that we're compelling there. We also have the campaign on the cash back debit program slated for the second half of the year. So the marketing dollars, how we thought about them at the beginning of the year remains consistent with where we are today. And frankly, I think it would have been short-sighted to pull back in order to manage to a particular number given the high returns we're able to generate there. In terms of the compliance cost, what I was referencing was 2019 to where we are in 2023. And so about a month ago in a public forum, I said that that increase from ‘19 to ‘23 was about $250 million. As we've looked at the work in front of us, we are dedicating an incremental, call it, $20 million to $30 million, maybe as much as $50 million over and above that here. So it could be the delta from ‘19, not $250 million, but maybe as much as $300 million, year-over-year, so ’22 to ’23, we're up about $200 million in total compliance and related cost. Does that provide clarity?Arren Cyganovich:
Yes. Yes, I got it. I got it now. Thank you.John Greene:
Great. Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Dominick Gabriele with Oppenheimer.Dominick Gabriele:
Hey, great. Good morning, everybody. So When I look at your loan growth guidance, you talk about low to mid-teens. And to me, that means 14% basically. And so if you think about 14% or that range that you're discussing, it would indicate the second half loan growth would be roughly 7% and given the trajectory of loan growth in general, it would end spending being at 2.5% this quarter moving to 1% in the most recent month. It would suggest the fourth quarter's loan growth would be probably low single digits or something along those lines to make that guidance range. And so I was just curious if that's the right math that you are thinking about or roughly? If we could talk about that, that'd be great.John Greene:
Yeah. I learned a long time ago not to give quarterly guidance because I found that I was not as accurate as I would have liked and other people would have liked. So the range of, kind of, the double digit growth that we talked about, you can take a look at the portfolio. We made some comments on what was driving it. So new accounts and certainly new account growth ‘22 to ‘23 has slowed. Sales, while still very robust at an absolute level, have slowed into July. We're doing targeted promotional activities to drive high generating, high returning accounts. And the comp in the fourth quarter of ‘22 versus prior quarters is certainly a tougher comp. So your math is certainly your math and I don't want to get into any more specifics than what I just did.Dominick Gabriele:
No problem. Thanks a lot. And then, there are some signs that the national unemployment rate could start to move higher if you look at some of the state data. If you saw a seasoning and the unemployment rate rising at the same time, could it have a more additive effect for ultimately higher net charge-offs than otherwise to book without the seasoning effect? And maybe just to relate to that, your loan fee income has been quite robust in its growth and it beat our expectations by quite a lot this quarter. Is that kind of an indication of the seasoning effects that are going on with the late fees in that bucket?John Greene:
Yeah. So --Dominick Gabriele:
Thanks so much.John Greene:
Yeah. Arren, the answer to both questions is yes. So the loan fee income, typically late fees and NSF fees. And in terms of employment levels, if unemployment was to increase, that would certainly impact net charge offs. But I would say this. In the cohort of folks that we typically target, there -- what we've seen is if they are impacted by a job situation, their time of recovery is pretty quick. So by recovery, I mean, finding a new role. So the fact that this cohort of prime revolvers isn't in the upper tier of income levels allows them to have a greater opportunity to find jobs of equal pay -- equal or more pay in the current environment. So the employment -- early indications of employment or some challenges in some states, we don't see any sign of that translating into a credit situation for us.Dominick Gabriele:
Okay, great. I'm going to sneak one more in here. Is there -- Discover spending growth is typically matched its loan growth trajectory over time given the stability of your business model. If we don't see a normalization of -- and meaningful fashion of payment rates, is there any reason that the spending growth and loan growth trajectories would be uncorrelated as they have been in the past?John Greene:
Yeah. So we'll look at -- we'll look at kind of opportunities to drive loan growth. And part of that is the sales data or the spending data from consumers and reflect that in our next set of guidance that we provide. But specifically in correlation, in this form, I'm not going to get into.Dominick Gabriele:
Okay. Thanks so much. Appreciate it.Operator:
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Bill Ryan with Seaport Research Partners.Bill Ryan:
Hi, good morning and thanks for working me in here at the end. Question on the personal loans business. Last quarter, you talked about that there was some marginal tightening that you did, but you had fairly robust loan growth this quarter. Could you talk about the market opportunity that you're seeing there? And also the mix of new versus existing customers, I believe the historical mix was about 50-50, just curious if that's still the case?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. So in terms of overall competition, I'd say there's been a little bit of a pullback on the supply side from, I would say, markets and others as they pulled out. But there are a good number of competitors. A lot of them are much more broader spectrum than us in terms of how far down they go. I think what you're seeing is really strong consumer demand as rates have gone up and our product is primarily used for debt consolidation, people are looking to consolidate and pay down their credit cards. And so we're seeing very strong demand that is giving us ability to tighten credit and even at the margin, raise our prices and still see strong demand. So it's a product where underwriting and credit is everything. The mix is largely new, but a good amount are cross-sold to our existing cardholder base. So its customers where we also have experience with them.Bill Ryan:
Okay. Thank you.Eric Wasserstrom:
So I think we are going to conclude our call there. Thanks very much for joining us. If you have any follow-ups, please reach out to the IR team and we wish you a very good day. Thanks very much.Operator:
This does conclude today's Second Quarter 2023 Discover Financial Services Earnings Conference Call. You may disconnect your line at this time, and have a wonderful day.Operator:
Good morning. My name is Chelsea, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the First Quarter 2023 Discover Financial Services Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Eric Wasserstrom, Head of Investor Relations. Sir, please go ahead.Eric Wasserstrom:
Thank you, Chelsea, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to this morning's call. I'll begin on slide two of our earnings presentation, which you can find in the financial section of our Investor Relations website, investorrelations.discover.com. Our discussion today contains certain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to our notices regarding forward-looking statements that appear in our first quarter earnings press release and presentation. Our call today will include remarks from our CEO, Roger Hochschild; and John Greene, our Chief Financial Officer. After we conclude our formal comments, there will be time for a question-and-answer session. During the Q&A session, you’ll be permitted to ask one question followed by one follow-up question. After your follow-up questions, please return to the queue. Now, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Roger.Roger Hochschild:
Thanks, Eric, and thanks to our listeners for joining today's call. I'll begin by commenting on some of the recent events in the banking industry, review our highlights for the quarter, and then John will take you through the details of our first quarter results and our updated perspectives on 2023. This past quarter include the failure of two large banks, an event that catalyzed more widespread stress in some segments of the banking system and raised questions about the funding models and embedded portfolio losses of multiple banks. In contrast, our strong results underscore how our model, with its diversified funding, trusted brand, focus on prime consumer lending and conservative risk management positions us to succeed through a range of operating conditions. I want to call out a few results in particular that highlight our performance in this challenging environment. We reported first quarter net income of $1 billion or $3.58 per share. We had an all-time record quarter in terms of consumer deposit inflows, leveraging our award-winning digital experience and our leading customer service, and we're improving key elements of our guidance. As we look to the remainder of 2023, we may adjust our outlook as conditions evolve. We believe there is the potential for more stringent regulation. We believe we're well positioned for more rigorous regulatory capital and liquidity requirements given our strong internal standards, and we also continue to focus on enhancing our compliance management systems. This past quarter also included an important milestone with respect to our investment in human capital. We're honored to have been recognized as one of Fortune's 100 Best Companies to Work for in 2023. This is the first time we've earned this distinction and it builds upon recognition we received last year, ranking us among the best workplaces for parents and Fortune's best workplaces for women. In conclusion, we believe our earnings power, balance sheet strength, investments in people and advancements and capabilities support our strategy of becoming the leading consumer digital bank. I'll now turn the call over to John to review our results in more detail.John Greene:
Thank you, Roger, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with our financial summary results on slide four. Our performance this quarter was characterized by strong revenue growth, continued credit normalization, a slight change to our outlook on the macroeconomic environment, resulting in a reserve increase, and a year-over-year increase in expenses. Let's review the details starting on slide five. Net interest income was up $653 million year-over-year or 26%. Our net interest margin continued to expand, benefiting from higher prime rates, partially offset by higher funding costs and increased promotional balances. NIM ended the quarter at 11.34%, up 49 basis points from the prior year and seven basis points sequentially. Receivable growth was driven by card, which increased 22% year-over-year, reflecting stable sales growth, modest new account growth, and payment rate moderation. Sales increased 9% in the period, slightly higher than the 8% growth we experienced in the prior quarter and down from the 16% growth we experienced in 2022. Sales growth so far in April is a modest 2.5% but this is coming off a very high comp of 22% in April of last year. New card account growth decelerated, reflecting the tightening of underwriting standards over the past several months, but grew by 3% from the prior year. The impact of slowing sales growth on receivable expansion was offset by decreases in payment rates. The card payment rate decreased 80 basis points in the quarter and is currently slightly over 200 basis points above the pre-pandemic level. Turning to our non-card products. Personal loans were up 21%, driven by higher originations over the past year and lower payment rates. We continue to experience strong consumer demand, while staying disciplined in our underwriting of this product. Organic student loan receivables grew by 3%, largely driven by a reduction in the payment rate. In terms of funding mix, consumer deposit balances were up 17% year-over-year and 7% sequentially. As Roger highlighted, we achieved record quarterly deposit growth. Deposits now make up 66% of our total funding mix with over 90% insured and we continue to target 70% to 80% deposit funding over the medium term. Outside of deposits, our funding channels remain open and at attractive costs. As an example, in early April, we issued $1.25 billion of card ABS fixed rate notes. This offering was upsized and our spread was nine basis points tighter than our November securitization. Additionally, we recently received a ratings upgrade by Moody's for our bank subsidiary and our banking holding company. Moody's cited a number of reasons to support this upgrade, including our prudent underwriting, conservative risk management, and resiliency in an economic downturn. Looking at other revenue on slide six. Non-interest income increased $198 million or 47%. This was partially due to a $162 million loss on our equity investments in the prior year quarter compared to an $18 million loss this quarter. Adjusting for these, our non-interest income was up 9%, primarily driven by the loan fee income and higher net discount and interchange revenue. Moving to expenses on slide seven. Total operating expenses were up $253 million, or 22% year-over-year and down 7% from the prior quarter. Compensation costs were up primarily due to increased headcount and wage inflation. Marketing expenses increased $49 million, or 26% as we continue to prudently invest for growth in our card and consumer banking products. Professional fees increased $55 million, or 31%, driven by investments in technology and increases and consulting activities that support our consumer compliance initiatives. Even with these increases, our efficiency ratio was 37%, and we generated about 700 basis points of operating leverage in the period. Moving to credit performance on Slide 8. Total net charge-offs were 2.72%, 111 basis points higher than the prior year and up 59 basis points from the prior quarter. In the card portfolio, the net charge-off rate of 3.1% was 126 basis points higher than the prior year and 73 basis points higher sequentially. Consistent with our commentary back in January, we expect the seasoning of new account vintages from the past two years and normalization of older vintages to a more typical loss rate. These trends remain consistent with our expectations. Turning to the discussion of our allowance on Slide 9. This quarter, we increased our allowance by $385 million, and our reserve rate increased by 25 basis points to 6.8%. This increase in reserve rate was driven by two factors. About 10 basis points reflects the runoff of seasonal transactor balances that we typically experienced in the fourth quarter. The remaining portion was largely driven by deterioration in our expectations of the macroeconomic environment. We increased our expectations for the 2023 year-end employment rate to the midpoint of our 4.5% to 5% range. This change reflects the potential for a reduction in lending impacting economic growth. We will continue to monitor the macroeconomic conditions and make adjustments to our expectations. Looking at Slide 10. Our common equity Tier 1 for the period was 12.3%, and we repurchased $1.2 billion of common stock during the quarter. The net unrealized loss on our AFS securities portfolio at the end of the quarter was $45 million. The impact on our regulatory capital, if our OCI opt-out were not allowed would have been about 20 basis points. Our capital position remains robust and well ahead of regulatory requirements. We continue to prioritize investment in strong organic growth and returning excess capital to shareholders. Included in our press release was the announcement that our Board of Directors approved a new $2.7 billion share repurchase program for the five quarters ending June 2024 and increased our common stock dividend by 17% to $0.70 per share. Including on Slide 11 with our outlook. Following the strong first quarter performance, we are raising our expectations for loan growth this year to be low to mid-teens. There is no change to our NIM forecast. We are maintaining our guidance for operating expenses to be less than 10%. However, we do see risk of upward pressure on this from collection and customer service expense related to growth in our lending and deposit accounts and professional service support and continued investment in technology. We are targeting our expected range of net charge-offs to 3.5% to 3.8% based on our current delinquencies and roll rates. This represents a reduction to the top end of the range by 10 basis points. Finally, as mentioned, our Board of Directors approved a new share repurchase authorization. We have returned substantial excess capital over the past two years, and we anticipate moving towards a more standard cadence of share buybacks over the second half of this year. To conclude, our first quarter results have given us significant momentum into this year, and we're well positioned to deliver on our financial objectives. With that, I'll turn the call back to our operator to open the line for Q&A.Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Sanjay Sakhrani with KBW. Your line is open.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Thank you. Good morning. John, quick question on the reserve commentary you had. Just to be clear, I know you guys had a weighting of scenarios. And it sounds like the low end went from 4.5% to 4.75%. When we average that out, between all the scenarios, does that take you above the 5% unemployment rate assumption, or how should we think about that? And also just in terms of the narrowing of the range of the charge-offs this quarter, was that more because the unemployment rate hasn't necessarily panned out the way you expected it to, meaning it's coming in better?John Greene:
Yes. Thanks, Sanjay. Yes, I'll start with the reserve portion of the question and then swing over to the charge-off aspect. So as we mentioned, we ran a number of different scenarios. So we looked at unemployment ranges from 3.5% to north of 6%. We centered around a range between 4.5% and 5% for 2023 and then a slight improvement in 2024. And that was essentially the driver of the increase in the reserve rate outside of the 10 basis points I talked about in my prepared remarks related to kind of transactors running off as they typically do in the first quarter. So hopefully, that clarifies your question or clarify any questions you have on reserves. Related to charge-offs, so there's a couple of factors there. The first and what I would say is the most important is that the portfolio is performing almost exactly as we expected it to in terms of charge-off, roll rates and delinquencies. So we're generally pleased with that. As each month and quarter goes by, we have better line of sight to what we expect the total year to be. Our internal kind of roll rate models basically can take a very, very good look at six months forward, and then we move to more advanced models for anything beyond that. So as the first quarter passed through great line of sight through September. And then beyond September, we've relied on our analytical models. So that's essentially the reason why we're able to tighten the charge-off guidance from the upper end. And each quarter, we'll give an update on that certainly.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Okay. Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Moshe Orenbuch with Credit Suisse. Your line is open.Moshe Orenbuch:
Great. Thanks. I guess, first, you talked about kind of slowing of new account growth. Could you kind of, Roger, perhaps drill down a little more into that the drivers, I guess, in terms of what you're seeing either in the competitive environment or in the consumer kind of credit environment?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. So I'll start the credit -- the competitive environment remains robust, right? Most of our key competitors in the card business are the larger money center banks, well capitalized, a lot of deposits. So card's tends to always be competitive. I think what you're seeing are the results of some of the changes we've made in credit policy. We've talked about tightening at the margin. And then also some very tough comps over the growth we saw last year. So we feel really good about the new accounts we're booking, but also believe our credit policy is appropriate for the current environment.Moshe Orenbuch:
Got it. And maybe can you talk, John, maybe talk a little bit more about the expense comment that you made, how much of that would be tied to revenue growth if expenses were higher.John Greene:
Yeah. So as I said in the prepared remarks, we we've maintained a less than 10% guidance, although we're seeing a little bit of pressure on those lines I mentioned. So in terms of marketing, what we said in January was that we expected marketing to be up double digits. We still expect that to be the case despite the reduction in the rate of growth of new accounts, we are still seeing good opportunities to generate positive account growth with an appropriate risk tolerance. The other portion of that marketing spend will be to roll out the -- the cash back debit program, which we anticipate to be rolled out late in the second quarter, maybe early in the third quarter. So we're going to put some substantial dollars behind that to generate some activity, both new account generation as well as awareness of the product and the product features that we think will help build -- continue to build our strong deposit franchise.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Bob Napoli with William Blair. Your line is open.Bob Napoli:
Yeah. Thank you, and good morning. The slowdown in spend growth that you called out in the month of April. I was wondering if you could give -- I know it's tough comps versus a year ago. But just any color on what you're seeing on that front? And then any change in your view of the health of the consumer?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. So I would say that, the slowdown is pretty broad-based. And is really a continuation of the trend. If you look at the quarter itself, overall sales growth was a little over 9%. But March, it had dropped to 4%. So broad-based across all categories, I think some of it is just a reduction in the pressures from inflation. But also you've got some tough comps in terms of last April, sales were up 22% year-over-year. For us, the most important thing for the consumers, the strength of the job market, and that remains pretty robust. So while we are tightening credit and continuing along that, overall, the consumer is still holding up pretty well.Bob Napoli:
Thank you. Then just any more color on the Cashback Debit product and what do you believe that will, I guess, do for you strategically? Just any thoughts on -- I know you guys have been doing a lot of work on it over the years, and it seems like you're ready to really roll with it.Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. No, that -- it's a product we're really excited about. Offering 1% cash back on debit transactions is virtually unique. It's something that no big bank can match. We take advantage of having a proprietary payments network. And one of the outcomes from the pandemic is consumers even for their primary checking or debit account are a lot more comfortable dealing with the direct bank. So this is going to be a critical initiative, not just for this year, but for many years to come. And part of our transition to being way more than credit cards, first loans, student loans, home equity, but being the true leading digital bank.Bob Napoli:
Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Rick Shane with JPMorgan. Your line is open.Rick Shane:
Thanks everybody for taking my questions this morning. Roger, when you look at the credit outlook and you updated the NCO guidance, I'm curious about some of the puts and takes you see in terms of the internals of numbers, whether it's roll rates, utilization, payment rates. What do you see out there that is the most constructive and what's your -- what's the factor that gives you the most pause?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. It varies for new accounts versus what we look for in our portfolio. For the portfolio side, yeah, it's hard to pick an individual factor given the complexity of the models we use. But certainly, overall levels of indebtedness, their behavior in terms of payments, the amount of payment, we even look at when a payment comes in during the month. So given that we're still focused on growth, I would say, in general, the consumers are doing well, but we have continued to tighten. And it's something we look at every account, every day across all of our different products.Rick Shane:
Got it. And is there one metric you might point to that kind of your -- when you get your daily reports, you scan to right away to -- because it's a concern for you?Roger Hochschild:
Yeah. So you may find it hard to believe, but there are very few numbers I look at on a daily basis. I'm lucky to have an amazing team. And so I can look at it a little less frequently. But you can't point to a single number. We have a composite behavioral score that I see on a lot of our internal risk reporting. But again, there are literally countless variables in some of our most complex machine learning models that are evaluating portfolio credit.Rick Shane:
Got it. Okay. Thank you very much.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Betsy Graseck with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.Jeff Adelson:
Yes. Hi. This is Jeff Adelson on for Betsy. Good morning. John, I just wanted to follow up on the comment about the potential for a reduction in lending impacting economic growth. I know that was more of a macro overlay comment, but just wanted to understand maybe where you think Discover is going to fit into that potential tightening regime? I know you're already doing some tightening, slowing account growth on your side, but just wondering, do you see yourself at some point this year taking a more meaningful cut, maybe what would cause you to revisit the loan growth that you're seeing today?John Greene:
Yes, thanks for the question, Jeff. So as we look at loan growth for 2023, we feel very, very positive, and that's why we moved the loan growth range up a bit. So in terms of the overall lending environment and what would trigger additional cuts, it would be meaningful changes to the unemployment outlook, meaningful changes in the number of job openings and then further signs of stress within the consumers. So that would -- within the portfolio itself, it would be payment rates, timing of payments. We take a look at flow rates from one bucket to another. So those would all be certainly signs as well as kind of the broader indications of delinquency and the rate of charge-off on a vintage basis. But as we look at things right now, employment, I believe, will continue to be strong, right? So we have strong growth in the health care sector, manufacturing sector, defense, oil and gas, and onshoring of supply chain continues. So my sense is that we're not going to have any seismic changes to unemployment despite the fed tightening action. So that means that we'll look at -- continue to look at things around the margins and make good calls to ensure that the accounts we're putting on are profitable. And the accounts that are in the portfolio that we have early warning triggers, so that our customer service and collection folks can reach out to ensure that collections and cash flows remain strong.Jeff Adelson:
Thank you. And one follow-up I just want to have on expenses and technology investment. There's been a lot of focus out there on AI and some advances in that technology. I know Discover has been pretty nimble and investing on its own in that space. But just wondering, is there anything --John Greene:
Hello. Jeff or operator? Is the line open?Operator:
Yes. His line is still open.John Greene:
Okay.Eric Wasserstrom:
Jeff, I think we missed the last a little bit of your question, but I think it was essentially about the use of AI. So.John Greene:
Yes. So why don't I -- I'll take that briefly. And Jeff or Betsy, we can follow up separately in the afternoon, if you like. So in terms of investing in technology. So there's three -- there's, I'll call it, three or four different strengths. The first is to ensure we have leading-edge capabilities, which would include machine learning, AI. Second is ensure that our core systems are robust and resilient. And third, around the network, making sure that our network continues to have leading edge or at a minimum market global capabilities. So, those are the tiers and we continue to invest in those aspects as well as technology to support our overall compliance management system as we talked about in the prepared remarks. So, overall, it's an area of investment. We're a digital institution. We need to continue to invest in technology to ensure that we keep capabilities, advancing.Jeff Adelson:
Okay. Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Dominick Gabriele with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.Dominick Gabriele:
Hey, thanks so much and good morning. I would imagine that Discover, given the prudence of the way you run your franchise has really strong KYC. And I think some of the fintech players are actually having some difficulty there. And so I'd love to hear you talk about your checklist for opening an account. And is there a difference for KYC when you issue a debit card versus extending credit with the credit card? And I just have a follow-up. Thanks so much guys.Roger Hochschild:
Yes. Great question. So, AML BSA, KYC is one element of compliance. There are many others that we focus on. First thing I'd say is our task might be a little easier just given that we don't handle much cash, not having branches. We don't have huge private net worth operations, much outside the US. But it is a key area of focus, there's a pretty big overlap between what we're required to do from a KYC standpoint and actually what we do ourselves to tackle fraud. A huge amount of the new fraud attacks do come via identity theft. And while there are sort of nuanced differences by product, very, very similar in terms of what we do when someone is opening a new credit card account versus opening a checking or a debit account.Dominick Gabriele:
Okay. Thanks. Thank you very much. And I guess, kind of a double question here. But is -- how closely aligned is your CECL unemployment rate and thus, reserve outlook correlated with your net charge-off guidance. Is there a possibility that, I mean, you had mentioned before that you don't expect unemployment rate to rise very much? Is there a chance that there could be actually a disconnect between the CECL reserve and company NCO outlooks? Thanks so much.John Greene:
Yes, thanks Dominick. So, yes, we have a process that we take great pains to make sure there's no disconnects between our outlook on kind of charge-offs over, call it, a three-quarter or four-quarter period and the CECL reserves, which is life of loan losses, which would include charge-offs through the life of the relationship. And the modeling systems that we use are essentially the same. Same tools, same people kind of managing those and a bunch of work to ensure that the organization. So each of the functions, credit and risk management systems and finance and accounting are on the same page in terms of what we're trying to accomplish here. So there's no chance to disconnect here at Discover. I will say that the difference in terms of the tightening of our charge-off outlook in terms of updated guidance and what happened in the reserve has a couple of factors that are at play there. The first is, we're talking about a three-quarter period of forecasting on the charge-offs. And we gave a fairly wide range, which we intend to tighten as each quarter passes. On the reserves, we take a number of different factors, including the macro environment portfolio. And then there's certainly a level of management judgment that we use to ensure that we have an appropriate reserve under financial accounting standards. So that's essentially a quick sketch of the process that we use.Dominick Gabriele:
Excellent. Thanks so much for taking my questions. Have a good day.John Greene:
Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Mihir Bhatia with Bank of America. Your line is open.Unidentified Analyst:
Hi. This is Nate Rich [ph] on for Mihir Bhatia. Quick question for me. Are you seeing any changes to the credit quality for new applicants? I understand that you're tightening credit and underwriting. But just curious to see how those consumers are asking for loans now versus a year or two ago?Roger Hochschild:
Yes. I mean it's a tricky question to answer, because it varies by channel. Obviously, we did quite a lot of pre-approved marketing. So we kind of set the criteria who applies and even within our non-pre-approved channels, we tend to be targeted. So I haven't seen, I would guess, a huge difference in terms of applicant profile, but our new account profile has tended to improve as we've tightened credit.Unidentified Analyst:
Okay. And then as a quick follow-up, can you just talk about the performance? Like how are card loan business from like 2020 or 2022 performing versus the loans pre-pandemic?Roger Hochschild:
Yes. I think in general, John mentioned, all of the vintages are performing as expected. And so total losses are still normalizing in line with what we forecast. So I would say continued strong performance across the board. And we haven't seen huge differences in behavior by vintage.Unidentified Analyst:
Okay. Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Mark DeVries with Barclays. Your line is open.Mark DeVries:
[indiscernible]Roger Hochschild:
Hey, Mark, I think your line is open. Hey, Chelsea, we'll come back to Mark offline.Operator:
Okay. Yes, sir. And as at this moment, there are no further questions in the queue. So I would like to turn it back over to management for any additional or closing remarks.Eric Wasserstrom:
Great. Well, if there are any additional questions, please reach out to us here at the IR team. And thanks very much. Have a great day.Operator:
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude today's conference, and we appreciate your participation. You may disconnect at any time.Operator:
Good morning. My name is Todd, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2022 Discover Financial Services Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers remarks there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Eric Wasserstrom, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.Eric Wasserstrom:
Thanks, Todd, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to today's call. I'll begin on Slide 2 of the earnings presentation, which you can find in the financial section of our Investor Relations website, investorrelations.discover.com. Our discussion today contains certain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to our notices regarding forward-looking statements that appear in the fourth quarter earnings press release and presentation. On our call today will include remarks from our CEO, Roger Hochschild; and John Greene, our Chief Financial Officer. After we conclude our formal comments, there will be time for a question-and-answer session. During the Q&A session, you'll be permitted to ask one question followed by one follow-up question. After your follow-up questions, please return to the queue. And with that, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Roger.Roger Hochschild:
Thanks, Eric, and thanks to our listeners for joining today's call. I want to begin by reviewing the highlights and key metrics for the year, and then John will take you through the details of our fourth quarter results and our perspectives on 2023. I'm very pleased to say that 2022 was the second strongest year for earnings in our company's history. We reported net income of $1 billion or $3.77 per share for the fourth quarter and $4.4 billion or $15.50 per share for the full year. This was accomplished against a fluid and unusual macroeconomic and monetary policy backdrop and I want to thank the entire Discover team for their solid execution. This performance gives us significant momentum going into 2023 and beyond. I want to give a few highlights that underscore these strong results. First, we grew new accounts by 23% and loan receivables by 20%. This demonstrates the appeal of our consumer value proposition and advancements in our consumer targeting and acquisition capabilities while maintaining our conservative approach to underwriting and credit management. We're also prudently investing for growth, including an acquisition and brand marketing, the continuing build-out of our data and analytic capabilities and increasing field personnel for both servicing and collections, all while achieving a 39% efficiency ratio. The combination of revenue expansion and disciplined cost management contributed to our 31% return on equity this past year and underscores the highly capital-generative nature of our business model. Over the course of 2022, we repurchased $2.4 billion in common stock and increased our dividend by over 20%, and we expect to sustain attractive levels of capital return to our shareholders into the future. As we look into 2023, we expect a less favorable macroeconomic backdrop. Nevertheless, we intend to maintain an appropriate level of investment in our organization. For example, we have several initiatives that will improve our digital marketing capabilities, and we anticipate the broad market launch for mass market cash-back debit product. And of course, we'll continue to invest in our brand and in account acquisition in a manner consistent with the environment. We're very aware of the climate in which we are operating. And should there be changes in economic conditions, we will adjust. Our model with its focus on prime lending and through-the-cycle underwriting has historically supported resilient returns through the economic cycle. These factors, combined with our earnings power, reserves and capital, underpin our strategy of being the leading consumer digital bank. I'll now turn the call over to John to review our results in more detail.John Greene:
Thank you, Roger, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with our financial summary results on Slide 4. The takeaway of the quarter is largely about strong asset growth and net interest margin expansion, partially offset by growth-based provisioning. Asset growth combined with a NIM rate improvement, increased revenue 7% sequentially and 27% year-over-year. Similar to last quarter, asset growth also drove an increase in our reserves of $313 million. This increase kept our reserve coverage ratio relatively flat at 6.6%. In the prior year, we released $39 million of reserves. So while our reported net income was down 3% year-over-year, adjusting for the reserve change, our net income would have been 23% higher on a year-over-year basis. Let's review the details starting on Slide 5. Net interest income was up $584 million year-over-year or 24%. Our net interest margin expanded, benefiting from the higher prime rate partially offset by higher funding costs and increased promotional balances. NIM ended the quarter at 11.27%, up 46 basis points from the prior year and 22 basis points sequentially. For the full year, NIM was 11.04%, up 28 basis points from the prior year. Receivable growth was driven by card which increased 21% year-over-year, reflecting continued strong sales, new account growth and payment rate moderation. Sales increased 8% in the period, a deceleration from the 15% growth we experienced in the prior quarter and the 20% in the first half of the year. New card accounts grew by 17% from last year's fourth quarter. Similar to the prior quarter, the sales growth decline was mitigated by a decrease in the payment rate, which fell 150 basis points in the quarter. We expect payment rates to continue to decline through 2023, but at a more moderate pace. Turning to our non-card products. Organic student loans increased 4% as a result of peak season originations. Personal loans were up 15%. We continue to stay disciplined in our approach to marketing, underwriting and pricing of this product. Our attractive value proposition has positioned us well in the market that is experiencing strong consumer demand and some improvement in competitive conditions. In terms of funding mix, our customer deposit balances were up 10% year-over-year and 5% sequentially. Deposit pricing continues to be in line with what we expected in a rising rate environment. Recently, we have seen some moderation in the pace of pricing changes. Looking at other revenue on Slide 6. Non-interest income increased $212 million or 47%. This was partially due to a $138 million loss on our equity investments in the prior year quarter, compared to a $6 million loss this quarter. Adjusting for these, our non-interest income was up 14%. This increase was primarily driven by two items. First, loan fee income was up $51 million or 39%, driven by volume. And second, we had higher net discount and interchange revenue, which was up $23 million or 7% reflecting strong sales and a favorable sales mix, partially offset by higher rewards costs. Moving to expenses on Slide 7. Total operating expenses were up $183 million or 14% year-over-year and up 8% from the prior quarter. Compensation costs were up primarily due to increased headcount and wage inflation. Marketing expenses increased $42 million or 15% as we continue to prudently invest for growth in our card in consumer banking products. Premise and equipment expense was elevated this quarter due to a onetime write-off related to the exit of our Phoenix servicing location. Adjusting for this, premise and equipment would have been flat to the prior year quarter. With this recent action, we have resized or exited three of our four major call center locations, and we'll continue to evaluate our footprint going forward. Moving to credit performance on Slide 8. Total net charge-offs were 2.13%, 76 basis points higher than the prior year and up 42 basis points from the prior quarter. In the card portfolio, the net charge-off rate of 2.37% was 87 basis points higher than the prior year and 45 basis points higher sequentially. As expected, portfolio loss rates are normalizing, reflecting seasoning of new account vintages from the past two years, normalization of older vintages and mild deterioration and low credit bands, largely inflation-driven. These trends are within our expected risk tolerances and are consistent with our historical approach to underwriting and credit management. Among our core prime revolver segment, we don't see evidence of broader stress given the robust labor market. I'll cover our 2023 view in a moment. Turning to the discussions of our allowance on Slide 9. This quarter, we increased our allowance by $313 million driven by the increase in receivable balances. Our reserve rate declined slightly to 6.6%. Adjusting for the elevated level of transactor balances in the fourth quarter, our reserve rate would have been near sequentially flat. Under the CECL accounting standard, we are required to contemplate life of loan losses and adjust our reserve levels accordingly. For us, the changes to employment conditions pose the most significant risk to our forecast. For the year-end 2022 reserve, our baseline assumption was unemployment in 2023 between 4.5% and 6.5% and with alternative scenarios above 6%. Looking at Slide 10. Our common equity Tier 1 for the period was 13.3%. Our longer-term target remains at 10.5%. We expect to make progress against this target over the next four to six quarters. Yesterday, we announced a quarterly common dividend of $0.60 per share. And in the fourth quarter of 2022, we repurchased $602 million of common stock. Concluding on Slide 11 with our outlook. Momentum is strong, which should help to generate double-digit revenue growth and positive operating leverage. We expect end-of-period loan growth to be in the low double digits with average loan growth somewhat higher. This is driven by three factorsOperator:
[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Moshe Orenbuch with Credit Suisse.Moshe Orenbuch:
Great. And John, thanks for kind of outlining the parameters of the range of expected credit loss. But could you talk a little bit about the past kind of from here to getting to the 3.5%? Like what either has to happen that's bad or not happen, that's good. And at what points along that way, would you know whether that 3.5% base case is too high or too low?John Greene:
Yes. Great. Yes. Thanks for the question, Moshe. So the range is some unlocked, right? 3.5% to 3.9% for '23. And -- we certainly have a great deal of visibility through the first six months of the year through a roll rate methodology. Post six months, so in the second half of the year, we use our analytical models which anticipate a number of different possible outcomes but used as historical data that's been tested significantly to make a projection of what we expect to happen. So as we get through the first quarter, we'll be able to see what's happening with our roll rates in terms of is it a roll to one bucket and the roll to two bucket, consistent with our expectations on the base case on the reserve. Beyond that, we'll certainly look at the macro environment and what's happening with unemployment levels and the overall job market. That will give us some perspective. And then an important component of this, and I know there was some questions in terms of the step-up from where we ended '22 to where we're projecting '23. We have fairly significant vintages that are going through the normal seasoning process right now. So for example, our end-of-period card portfolio, so last year 12/31 to this year 12/31 increased by $15.7 billion. And if you think about kind of a maturity cycle of a credit card, typically within the first year to two years, you hit peak losses. So that is some of what we're expecting here, and therefore, the guidance that we've provided. We do expect that in a stable macroeconomic environment, in the second half of the year, we should see this slope of the curve begin to bend down a little bit with perhaps top losses coming through in '24 and then returning down. So overall, what we're seeing here is just a strong portfolio, very significant vintages that came through in '21 and '22 that are seasoning at levels that were -- that are completely within our expectation of total return thresholds. And then, we'll see the overall portfolio normalized. So hopefully, that provides some clarity on both the trajectory as well as what we're seeing in the portfolio.Moshe Orenbuch:
Perfect. And just as a follow-up, the reserve rate was down. You mentioned that was largely a result of transactor balances. But I guess even with that, it wasn't up. And so when you think about that, kind of how do you -- I mean, how should we think -- it doesn't feel like you're anticipating a deteriorating environment if you're keeping your reserve certainly no worse than flat. And how do we think about that going through '23 as well?John Greene:
Yes, great question. And they're connected, so happy to cover them in the same set. So CECL reflects life of loan losses as we all know, right? And so, what drives that is the portfolio performance and the -- our view of the macroeconomic environment today and going forward. And we haven't had any substantial changes to the macroeconomic environment. And essentially, the portfolio is performing within our expected ranges of outcomes. So, as we look at the fourth quarter receivable balances in the aggregate, and the portfolio performance, a stable macro, we felt most appropriate reserve levels would be fairly consistent with what we did in the third quarter. And essentially, without taking you through a ton of detail that the teams spend weeks and weeks working through, that's essentially how we arrived at the answer.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Sanjay Sakhrani with KBW.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Maybe just a follow-up question to the credit questions Moshe asked. John, you talked about the seasoning. Is there any way to parse apart the impact of seasoning in your range versus the actual degradation as a result of just the deteriorating delinquencies on a base case? And then you mentioned sort of the slope of the curve decelerates, I think you said in the second half, but I just want to make sure to understand sort of how the seasoning will impact us for the next two years. Does it still weigh in on you in the first half of 2024?John Greene:
Yes. So in terms of the impact of the vintages, I explicitly called out the card vintage in 2022, so the $15.7 billion to give the folks that are listening here, a place to anchor on in terms of thinking about the vintage and then you can run out peak losses for our portfolio in terms of what typically happens after a significant vintage and in a stable macro. So that should help you at least in terms of the thinking in terms of the vintage. As we think about this year, we gave that range of 3.5% to 3.9% on the loan base -- on the average loan base. So you should think about the ultimate kind of range here. It will depend first on the macro. Second, we'll continue to give updates in each of the quarters in terms of what we're seeing. But ultimately, we expect this vintage will mature in 2024. And then, we should see in a stable macro, the curve not only slope pending, but actually inverting slightly.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Okay. Follow-up question on loan growth. Obviously, you mentioned the strong growth driving the seasoning, but you guys are still expecting double-digit growth in the face of maybe a tougher economic backdrop. What gives you the comfort here? Maybe Roger, speaking to the growth in the past, and I know every cycle takes on a different complexion. What are you guys looking at that makes you comfortable to grow here? Because that's a question I get quite a bit from investors.Roger Hochschild:
Yes. Good question, Sanjay. I think you've seen us operate this business through multiple cycles and the disciplined approach we take both in good times as well as in bad. And frequently, the accounts that you put on during a challenging economic time, perform extraordinarily well, and you can see very good cost per account as competitors pull back. So, we have been pretty clear at that starting in the back half of last year, we started tightening credit standards, and you can expect us to continue to look at that and adjust according to economic conditions, both for new accounts as well as the portfolio. Nevertheless, we're seeing great returns on the marketing investments we're putting out there. And so, that's what gives us the confidence to keep investing in growth.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from John Hecht with Jefferies.John Hecht:
And not to beat the dead horse, but maybe just one more question on the kind of the provisioning and the credit. John, I think you kind of detailed the unemployment assumptions. I think they were kind of in the 4.5% to 6% range with maybe somewhere making the 5% range, kind of the middle of the fairway. Just maybe can you tell us what's the sensitivity for the -- either the charge-offs or the ALL at say unemployment moves to level like 100 basis points higher than that.John Greene:
Yes. So in our kind of primary case here, we assumed a 100 basis points increase in unemployment. Now that that was specific to our charge-off forecast. In terms of kind of reserve levels, we actually used a composite of multiple scenarios. The more heavily weighted scenario reflected a loss rate of 4.5% and then going up all the way to 6%. So, I'm feeling actually like we're down the middle here in terms of appropriateness in terms of overall reserve levels and more specificity in terms of sensitivity. I don't think that would be a service given if we're seeing unemployment kind of creep up in that sort of matter or that sort of quantum that would indicate that the macro environment has changed, and we have to change our view on that, which could change our perspectives on life of loan losses.John Hecht:
Okay. That's helpful. And then you gave annual guidance with NIM, and it sounds like maybe an elevated NIM in the first part of the year coming down second, what are the drivers of that with respect to the yield and the cost of capital?John Greene:
Yes. Yes. So I'm going to run through the primary drivers. So first would be the Fed rate changes in the second half of '22 as well as what we've anticipated either two or three increases in 2023. Second impact is the yield on our investments, which is improving with the increase in the rate environment. And then, the third piece has been some pricing actions we took in the consumer banking products. So, think about the non-card products. So offsetting that would be kind of the cost of funding. So DTC and external funding costs have increased. And then we're also anticipating an impact from credit, all of which the net of those gives us a high level of confidence that certainly, we're going to see peak NIM in the first quarter and then stepping down from there through 2023.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Mark DeVries with Barclays.Mark DeVries:
I have one more credit question for you. I know you don't generally give out guidance more than one year out, but I think some of the commentary around the charge-off guidance has some implications for 2024. I just wanted to try and clarify I mean if you look at the guidance range, it seems to imply you kind of exit 2023 at a charge-off rate at 4% to 4.5%. I think, John, you indicated 2024 is kind of a peak year? Should we expect -- is it reasonable to assume that that's implying kind of a charge-off rate north of 4% for 2024?John Greene:
Yes. So you were right on your call here. We gave a range for 2023 of 3.5% to 3.9%. I talked about the curve and what we think will happen to the curve and the slope of that. So, Mark, as a matter of prudence, I think that's probably as far as I'm going to go here.Mark DeVries:
Okay. Fair enough. Thanks for that color.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Betsy Graseck with Morgan Stanley.Betsy Graseck:
Maybe a slightly different way to address this question is you perhaps could give us some color on where you have seen your fully seasoned vintages peak in terms of net charge-off rates and around what kind of month within the seasoning path that happens in a range of months that would be helpful to understand.John Greene:
Yes. So typically, we'll see it around 18 months. And it varies based on credit quality. So, the highest credit quality. So, I think FICO would typically peak a little later. And then the weaker, I'll say, the weaker credits typically peak a little bit earlier. But on average, I think, about 18 months or so.Betsy Graseck:
And the level that you've been seeing, it would be helpful to understand how historically, the vintages that you want to write to are trajecting in terms of peak. And maybe if you could comp 2022 vintage in 2021, what you're seeing there would be helpful?John Greene:
Yes. So -- the first part of that answer would be it would depend on the vintage. So if you go back to our 2020 vintage and remember, there's COVID, right, we were locked down. We ceased underwriting kind of the near prime and lower prime and concentrated on upper prime that vintage will season at a peak loss level below what Discover historically has done. If you look at '21, '22, we were essentially back to an underwriting standard consistent with history. And you can use that information to get some level of comfort around what can be expected in '24 on this vintage.Betsy Graseck:
Okay. Because you're basically saying '22 is a normal -- is exhibiting behavior that is more normal pre-COVID type of vintages?John Greene:
It is. Yes. Yes. The one difference that I think is important for folks to codify in their minds is that we're coming off an abnormally low base, right? So the entire portfolio is normalizing. We've talked about that consistently actually, since the beginning of last year that we thought the portfolio was normalizing. And what you're seeing here in the 2023 guidance is essentially the portfolio normalizing.Betsy Graseck:
The current reserve ratio level is consistent with this normalization whereby peak losses hit in '24?John Greene:
Yes. Otherwise, my controller would have taken an exception to our reserve process.Betsy Graseck:
Right. And this is -- I know we're talking about card, but is this the same kind of expectation across the other asset classes as well, student and personnel?John Greene:
Yes. Although what we're seeing in personal loans is, again, loss rates below historical norms. Payment rate is beginning to normalize. And we had talked about the fact that we perhaps overcorrected on that product in terms of underwriting, in terms of the pullback. We pulled back significantly. So I expect some seasoning and normalization there. But again, we're very, very confident about the loss performance of that product. We understand where it is on the payment priorities for folks. So we're going to be mindful of the economy on that. And student loans, yes, that's normalizing. We did have and likely we'll have a little bit of impact when we see the full impact of the student debtors on the government programs having to pay back loans, but it's underwritten to a high standard. 80-plus percent have cosigners. So, we feel very comfortable about that product as well.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Rick Shane of JPMorgan.Rick Shane:
Look, this is an interesting milestone where the reserve rate is 658 basis points. It basically is apples-to-apples seasonality versus CECL day one and up 50 basis points. I'm curious when we think about your economic outlook and how you build a CECL reserve where you compare to CECL day one on a like-for-like basis, would you build the same allowance? Or have you made adjustments and then compare your economic outlooks in each of those points in time, please?John Greene:
Yes. So good question, Rick. So we've referenced CECL day one in the past, but I'd like to remind folks, day one was first time we rolled this new standard out. We were using new models. They've been tested extensively. And the macros were late cycle with higher unemployment levels. So as we look at kind of where we are today or as of the fourth quarter, right, 6.58 in terms of total loss reserve rate. That seems appropriate based on kind of what we're seeing in the macros and how the portfolio is performing. So, do we specifically reference day one only from the standpoint of where it was back on January 1, 2020, to where it is today, but we don't use that as a decision point whatsoever.Rick Shane:
John understood. I'm more curious that if you like were you've described that the models have evolved. And I think that, that's fair, and I think everybody appreciates that. What I'm asking is, on a like-for-like basis, would -- do you think that reserve rates are lower today using the same assumptions as you refine them versus CECL day one?John Greene:
Yes. No, no, they're not lower. We're looking at the portfolio performance. It's performed extraordinarily well. We're seeing a bit of seasoning now, as you would expect in this type of product. And the macros are contemplating a minimum level of increase in unemployment of at least 0.5% and more likely 1%. So what you're seeing here is a CECL reserve for the quarter that reflects those macros.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Bob Napoli with William Blair.Bob Napoli:
Many -- some commentary, Roger, on the competitive environment for rewards. I mean, you've seen very strong growth out of a number of players in the industry, including yourselves. Can you -- are you seeing more competition? Where are you seeing more competition, more people getting more aggressive, if you would?Roger Hochschild:
Yes. Thanks Bob. It remains, I would say, intensely competitive. But as you've seen from the growth and especially the performance in new accounts, our value proposition is competing well. And again, I want to give credit to some of the advancements on the analytics that let us sort of personalize the marketing messages across different channels. I guess where competition has lightened a bit is in the personal loan space. I think there are a lot of non-bank funded folks there who may have some challenges on the other side of the balance sheet. And obviously, one big player who had been active is pulling out. On the deposit side, I would see there, I think you're starting to see the gap between the direct banks, the branch banks really get wide enough that you're seeing flows to the direct system, right? It's now at 3.3% for a savings rate. It's now a lot more worth your money. So again, really excited about how our products are competing across every segment. And so that's part of why we're optimistic going into 2023.Bob Napoli:
What new products, I mean your cash-back debit is something that you've talked about? What new products are you most excited about?Roger Hochschild:
You're highlighting probably the big launch for next year, which will be the re-launch of cash-back debit and we hope to be doing some mass-market advertising of that. Beyond that, I really believe we have the right product set. We're seeing great demand, for example, on the home equity side, given how rates have moved and the lack of cash-out refi. So I think part of how we keep our costs as low as they are, is a very simple, lean operating model. So I wouldn't expect anything other than the re-launch of the cash-back debit and we'll put a lot of weight behind that.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from John Pancari with Evercore ISI.John Pancari:
Back to the credit topic, anything about the charge-off guidance that baked into your guidance, that is a surprise at all in terms of what you're observing. I know you talked about the seasoning and the vintages and it sounds like there's nothing there that really surprised you. But I'm wondering, anything about the credit migration within the vintages, within the portfolio in the past dues and/or customer behavior that surprised you that led to the increase in the charge-off guidance that seems to be well above where The Street was expecting?John Greene:
Yes. Thanks, John. Actually, no surprises in the portfolio performance whatsoever, and I want to reiterate that. And that's essentially why the reserve rate is flat, right? So, they are connected. So what that says is that charge-off guidance was essentially contemplated in the reserving of life of loan losses. So, we feel very good about that and there is consistency. I did talk about in my prepared remarks that the lowest end of the credit spectrum that we have in our portfolio. So some near-prime and some folks without FICO scores or those who fell below 660 are certainly feeling the impact from inflation. But internally, we completely anticipated that we had run some analysis on inflation shocks and what it would do to some of the card members, and it's performing essentially where we thought it would come out. So I'm actually quite pleased about that. The other important thing that I want to make sure that the audience here is I think what 2022 did for us is it increased the earnings power of the firm. And there's a lot of focus from these questions on kind of the charge-off and peak good assets consistent with what we've done historically. So loans increased $18 billion. So, there's going to be some seasoning, but overall, the earnings power of the firm has increased as a result of great execution by our teams.John Pancari:
Okay. That's helpful. And then, again, just -- I know this gets to CECL and the whole spirit of it. But given your commentary and that you just indicated reserve flat, so if the macro outlook progresses within your scenarios and the loss migration progresses as you described here into 2024 of this 2022 vintage, and no other surprises elsewhere, then would you expect accordingly that the reserve at 660 would generally remain around that level in that case? Or could there be incremental upside to the reserve, assuming that macro backdrop remains as they're within the scenario bands.John Greene:
Yes. So, there's -- I appreciate the question. A lot of assumptions in there, but as you laid out, I would expect the overall reserve rates to be relatively close to kind of where they are today.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Bill Carcache with Wolfe Research.Bill Carcache:
First, I wanted to ask if you could give us a sense of what kind of delinquency rates you'd expect based on that 3.5% to 3.9% NCO rate outlook?John Greene:
Yes. I mean we don't typically forecast the delinquency rates. You would -- what I suggest you do is take a look at the trust data and the relative difference between the trust data historically and where the total company is coming out, that will give some insights. And then also, the trends in delinquencies typically are pretty consistent, right? You can go point to point to point. And then I've given some views in terms of where we see the slope starting to flatten and then perhaps spend. So, I'd use that information in order to -- if you're interested in calculating overall delinquency rates for firm.Bill Carcache:
Okay. That's helpful. I guess just the spirit of the question was, there isn't anything unique happening with that increase in charge-offs that would lead to a breakdown between the historical relationship that exists between delinquencies and charge-offs. In other words, the sharp increase that you're expecting in delinquencies -- or sorry, in charge-offs, it would be reasonable to expect sort of a commensurate sharp increase in delinquencies as the data start to come through?John Greene:
Yes, there obviously, a relationship there, certainly. Although remember, you should have -- you should take into account the kind of the vintage impact and what I'll say normal seasoning, right? So, there's $18 billion of incremental loans. Some of those are just going to perform extremely well and a small percentage will season, out as we typically see. So, I would consider that in the analysis, but nothing at it. There should be no substantial break.Bill Carcache:
Okay. And my follow-up is, if I may, I might have missed this, but why did an increase in early-stage delinquencies drive higher credit card NCO rates this quarter. Is my initial thought was that early stage delinquencies would have to flow through the various delinquency buckets before charging off? So what was it following how that early stage increase this quarter impacted NCOs? Just a clarification there would be great.John Greene:
Yes. Yes. Well, there's a couple of different components, right? There is -- there's a bankruptcy bucket. There's a non-bankruptcy bucket that just flows through the buckets. And then there's also the recovery element. So if you put those three together, sometimes the bankruptcy bucket is it will pop in a particular quarter, depending on flow of work in the court system and the non-bankruptcy just flows quarter-over-quarter. So, I would certainly look at this quarter, prior quarter and what comes out in the first quarter, and that will be the insights you're looking for.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Mihir Bhatia with Bank of America.Mihir Bhatia:
I wanted to just talk a little bit more about credit. So specifically, I think you mentioned a little bit of mild deterioration in credit among the lower bands. Does your guidance contemplate that stress spreading to your prime core revolver portfolio at all as unemployment increases, I guess said differently, what I'm trying to understand is, do you think we go from credit formalization to deterioration for DFS overall? Or is it just normalization with just the vintage seasoning impacts that we've been talking about?John Greene:
Yes. Thank you. It's the latter. It is normalization and seasoning, which we contemplated fully in both our kind of origination strategy, our reserving strategy and obviously in the guidance we're providing.Roger Hochschild:
Yes. And maybe just to clarify, the lowest income segments which are a pretty small portion of our base are the ones that get additional pressure from inflation, right? By and large, a prime book can adjust. They trade down, they readjust their pattern. So I think John was referring to incremental stress there. But there's no reason to believe that the vast majority of our portfolio will be driven by the traditional drivers of losses, which is charge-offs -- I'm sorry, which is unemployment.Mihir Bhatia:
Got it. And then, I did want to offer maybe a little bit of a big picture question, just longer term. I think -- we appreciate that you have added a lot of business and increase the earnings power because some of these assets will obviously last a long time past the vintage seasoning. But the portfolio has changed a lot and your guidance for the next year and it sounds like potentially even '24 is a little bit above where credit losses have been running. So maybe just remind us, what is the normal loss rate for DFS or for the card portfolio or something like that? Maybe give us a range. Just trying to understand where a typical portfolio settles out? Is it in that 3%, low 3% range where does that settle up?John Greene:
Yes. Thanks, Mihir. So -- we've been asked that question over the years many, many times. And what I typically refer people back to is, if you take a look at the details of the kind of the charge-off history, you can go back through 2008. And see kind of quarter-over-quarter what's happening on the charge-off front, you can discern kind of normalized charge-off rate from that and then make adjustments for economic periods or kind of vintage-based seasoning.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Kevin Barker with Piper Sandler.Kevin Barker:
And in regards to your employment forecast and your base assumptions, you're pretty clear that the low end, the 3.5% assumes the 4.5% to 5% unemployment rate. But can you help us understand or just confirm that the -- is it the 3.9% higher end of the range, implying a 6% unemployment rate or some other scenario out there within your expectations?John Greene:
Yes. So the high end does not weight the 6% entirely. It actually could reflect a scenario with unemployment is actually higher than the 6%, but it would depend on the depth of it and kind of what industry. So, there's multiple scenarios in there. So, the guidance I provided in terms of 4.5% or over 6% is intended to kind of get the kind of the meat of the scenarios that were contemplated and weighted.Kevin Barker:
Okay. And then with your baseline assumption of 4.5% to 5%, is that something that we make our way to throughout the year and then maintain that level or something where you expected to peak there and then startly drift lower?John Greene:
Yes. So it would run through slowly increase through 2023 and how we've thought about it.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Don Fandetti with Wells Fargo.Don Fandetti:
Can you dig in a little bit more on the credit card spend growth rate and kind of what you're seeing in terms of any pattern changes. I think the last update through November showed a little bit of a step-down in the growth rate. And can you talk about December and I think maybe you touched on January?Roger Hochschild:
Yes. I'll start. January is off to a very strong start. So, we're seeing about a 13% year-over-year growth in sales, and again, reflects the new accounts we put on last year, but also, again, for those who aren't employed a robust environment. We have been seeing increases in the day-to-day category commensurate with inflation and so more spending shifting there. And a lot of what you heard from retailers in terms of softness around home improvement, and hard goods, but a lot of that was just, I think, some of the challenging comparisons to really robust levels from before. So, overall, I'd say, stable, but we're certainly encouraged by what we're seeing so far in January.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Arren Cyganovich with Citi.Arren Cyganovich:
On the marketing outlook, you had indicated that you expect to spend more than 2022 levels, which obviously was a very strong acquisition year for you. What's the thought process there in terms of expecting to increase spend after such a strong year?John Greene:
Yes, great question. And you know what, I'm going to hit kind of give an overview on expenses and now I'll specifically talk about kind of marketing and our thinking there. So, we said overall expenses would increase some less than 10%. So, what that contemplates is a double-digit increase in marketing and single digits for the non-marketing spend. And what that reflects is, we continue to see opportunities to acquire profitable new accounts that are consistent with what we do. So that -- in that prime revolver category. We also are intending to spend some money on the launch of the debit checking product. So that will include dollars for new accounts as well as advertising to bring awareness to the product. And then, it's important to also kind of have a view on the marketing in that this is our guidance. If we see the macroeconomic environment change or we don't see ample opportunity to spend this money wisely then we will make calls in terms of the level of spend, and it could be less than what's -- what we've guided to. But overall, we're very, very pleased with kind of our targeting and the effectiveness of the marketing and gave us confidence to continue to increase that.Arren Cyganovich:
And then on the personal loan side, you had indicated that it's -- it's clear that it's performing better than historically. With respect to the guidance, does the personal loan net charge-off rate, is that expected to go as high as credit cards in 2023? Or are you still expecting it to be somewhat better?John Greene:
Yes. I'm going to stick at the top level of the guidance we provided. And then, we give details by product in the supplement. I would use that information and impute kind of the charge-off rate there. But again, product has been performing very, very well, loss rates significantly below kind of what's happening out in the industry. And it's a kind of a -- it's a prime customer set. So that should give a view of kind of at least a way to think about expectations for that product.Eric Wasserstrom:
So, I think we're going to conclude our call there. Any additional questions, please reach out to the IR team, and thanks very much for joining us this morning.Operator:
Thank you. This does conclude today's call. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time.Operator:
Good morning. My name is Katie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Third Quarter 2022 Discover Financial Services Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the call over to Mr. Eric Wasserstrom, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.Eric Wasserstrom:
Thank you, Katie and good morning everyone. Welcome to today’s call. I’ll begin on Slide 2 of our earnings presentation, which you can find in the financial section of our Investor Relations website, investorrelations.discover.com. Our discussion today contains certain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties and that may cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to our notices regarding forward-looking statements that appear in our third quarter’s earnings release, press release and presentation. Our call today will include remarks from our CEO, Roger Hochschild; and John Greene, our Chief Financial Officer. After we conclude our formal comments, there will be time for a question-and-answer session. During the Q&A session, you will be permitted to ask one question followed by one follow-up question. After your follow-up question, please return to the queue. Now, it’s my pleasure to turn the call over to Roger.Roger Hochschild:
Thanks, Eric and thanks to our listeners for joining today’s call. I’m very pleased with our results this quarter. Against a fluid macroeconomic backdrop, we generate strong financial performance while continuing to advance our strategic priorities. Let’s start with a summary on Slide 3. For the third quarter, we reported net income of $1 billion after tax or $3.54 per share. Over the past three months, as Fed policy has become more restrictive, it has made fears of a recession more acute. Against this backdrop, the key narratives of the third quarter results are the strength of our balance sheet and the quality of our earnings. Our increase in revenues this year has been largely driven by our strong receivables growth with loans up 17% year-over-year. This growth was driven largely by elevated sales volume and the increased number of new accounts we’ve added since mid-2021. We continue to use a through-the-cycle approach to underwriting, which considers all stages of a credit cycle, including downturns. As part of our conservative credit management, we marginally tightened our new account underwriting criteria this quarter. Given these factors, we consider our growth to be consistent with current macroeconomic conditions. Naturally, discussion of – session of elicits concerns about credit quality, but the credit performance of our loan portfolio at this stage does not suggest anything other than gradual normalization. Nonetheless, a late-cycle environment requires a particular awareness of changing conditions and underscores the importance of our strong financial condition. We also continue to advance our strategic priorities. As a few examples, in August, we expanded our global presence with the signing of Woori Card of the largest issuers in South Korea. The extension of this relationship as well as the number of new network partnerships we’ve announced this year highlight our focus on expanding our international presence. We continue to demonstrate the value of our network and our growing relationships with fintech partners. As an example, we announced in October that we will facilitate payments for TYDEi’s new healthcare vendor management system, which will digitize and streamline payments in an industry where legacy purchasing is still primarily manual. Finally, this summer, we announced the opening of our new Advanced Analytics Resource Center at our downtown Chicago location. The first cohort of 75 individuals, which we selected from over 1,000 applicants has already started, and we intend to grow the program with an additional cohort in 2023. This follows the grand opening of our customer care center in the South Side neighborhood of Chatham earlier this year and underscores our commitment to bring additional jobs to Chicago while supporting great customer experiences. I’ll now turn the call over to John to review our results in more detail.John Greene:
Thank you, Roger, and good morning, everyone. I’ll start with our financial summary results on Slide 4. There were three important trends in the quarterOperator:
Thank you, sir. [Operator Instructions] We’ll take our first question from Ryan Nash with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.Ryan Nash:
Hey, good morning guys.Roger Hochschild:
Good morning.Ryan Nash:
So maybe to start on the net interest margin John, you commented that it implies another uptick given the rate hikes that we saw at the end of the quarter. Can you maybe just talk about where we go from here on the margin? I think last quarter; you talked about it potentially peaking out. I’m just curious; do you think you can continue to hold their line around these levels? And maybe what is incorporated within that in terms of deposit betas and the like?John Greene:
Great. Okay. Thanks for the question, Ryan. There’s a lot there. So, let me start with the fundamentals that we’re seeing. So the liability side of the balance sheet is certainly subjected to increases in deposit funding costs as a result of competitive actions and general needs across the market to attract some deposits. With that said, the 11% plus we delivered in the third quarter; we do expect some upside from that as a result of the Fed hikes in September. So certainly, sequentially into the fourth quarter, we’ll see further improvement. Now, beyond the – excuse me, beyond into the fourth quarter – we’ll see improvement. Beyond the fourth quarter at this point, we’re going to reserve any commentary. But what I would say is, we don’t expect any specific, I’ll say, seismic changes to net interest margins in 2023 based on the stability of our funding base and turn access to multiple sources of funds.Ryan Nash:
Got it. Thanks for the color. Roger, maybe one for you. You mentioned you guys are marginally tightening on account acquisition. Can you maybe just give additional color regarding some of the changes you’re making to underwriting? And what do you think this might mean for growth over the intermediate term? Thanks.Roger Hochschild:
Sure. So, I would start by saying, in general, it remains a very good environment. We’re seeing cost per account on the prime side below what we had last year. The value proposition is resonating well. For the new account space at the margin, we tightened some of those segments that will be most volatile in a downturn. So, I think the lower end of prime. And we’re ready to take further action on new accounts or the portfolio side. But again, I’d say overall, a very good environment, and that’s part of why you’re seeing such strong growth.Ryan Nash:
Got it. Appreciate the color.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Moshe Orenbuch with Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.Moshe Orenbuch:
Great. Thanks. I was hoping maybe you could talk for a little bit of a different tack. Maybe talk a little bit about the competitive environment and what you’re seeing from a credit standpoint and from a competitive marketing standpoint, kind of, in your two installment loan businesses, both in the personal loan business and the student loan business and maybe talk about that and the outlook there for a moment?Roger Hochschild:
Yes. So it is hard Moshe to know what individual competitors are doing. I would say in general, most of them are much broader spectrum lenders than we are. And so my guess is we’d be seeing some stress at the lower ends of their books. For us, a rising rate environment creates a lot of focus on debt consolidation, which is the primary use of our personal loans. So, we’re maintaining a very disciplined credit criteria by seeing strong originations in that segment.Moshe Orenbuch:
Got it. Thanks. It is interesting. I mean, I think we’ve seen that for others that are at the higher end of the credit spectrum where the stress you’re talking about we do see at the lower end. Follow-up question that I had is, you talked about hoping to restart the buyback by year-end or so, a little bit growth kind of causing a 30 basis point downtick in your capital, but you’re still well above. Just talk about, I guess, the appetite for that given – and does the kind of macro environment figure into that? Just talk about the appetite for the buyback once that restarts? Thanks.John Greene:
Yes. Sure. Moshe, I’ll take that. So from a overall capital level, we are very well capitalized, right? So, we’re 13% approaching, 14% on the CET1. Our target is 10.5%. The credit book has been very, very stable. It’s normalizing, but overall, very, very stable. So the capital allocation priorities through the firm remain in place. So first is to invest in strong organic growth, second would be a return of capital, and then third, perhaps a bolt-on acquisition, and we’re going to do that will likely be in the Payments segment. So overall, those priorities didn’t change. So the suspension remains in place, but we’re hopeful that it will resume – buybacks will resume here in the fourth quarter.Moshe Orenbuch:
Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Sanjay Sakhrani with KBW. Your line is now open.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Thanks. Good morning. John, I wanted to just walk through the expense guide increase. You mentioned it’s a blend of marketing and comp costs. Could you just parse apart what part is – how much of each sort of contributed to the increase? And I’m just trying to put the marketing comments to slightly pulling back the credit box. And then as far as like the headcount increases, was that related to the growth? I’m just trying to figure out what changed in terms of the comp cost?John Greene:
Yes. Yes, happy to help with that, Sanjay. So let me provide some context upfront here. So year-to-date total expenses are up 7%. Comp expense is up 5%, and excluding marketing, our expense base year-to-date is up 2%. So actually really, really what I’ll say first half of the year and into this quarter some strong fundamentals. Now, we did have a significant growth in the asset base, which of course, means that there are accounts that we’re going to have to service. And you might have seen a press release that came out that indicated we were hiring about 2,000 servicing agents through the balance of this year and into next year depending on the balance sheet and our customer value proposition and metrics. So overall, the strong growth and the strong acquisition has necessitated investments in our people. We’ll continue to do that. We’ve also made specific investments in information technology, specifically around resources advanced analytics in order to further position us to be able to grow profitably and then also enhance underwriting and customer targeting. So, we believe all those investments make perfect sense for the long term. And what you’re seeing here in the third quarter is a combination of what I’ll say is a tough comp as a result of some turnover last year. And then us coming on with backfilling resources, what I’ll say is salaried resources as well as the investments I talked about in terms of customer service. So hopefully, that provides some context and color to your question.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Okay. That’s very helpful. And then I know we’re trying to read between the lines in terms of the student loan servicing inquiry or investigation that’s going on. But just to be clear, there is no change to how you guys are thinking about it relative to last quarter. And as far as the expenses are concerned, it seems like things are progressing as you expected it to and it’s just a matter of timing. Is that a correct statement?John Greene:
Yes, that is a correct statement. So no change. Obviously, when we have some news to share, we’re going to share it. The expense guidance we provided and the updates reflect those items I discussed on your previous question and no specific changes related to expenses related to the buybacks as mentioned.Sanjay Sakhrani:
Okay. Great. Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from John Hecht with Jefferies. Your line is now open.John Hecht:
Good morning guys. Actually, most of my questions have been asked, and I was going to ask one about marketing. But maybe since you addressed the spend patterns, maybe can you talk about – just because it’s a topic that we haven’t really talked about in detail recently your perspective on rewards and the competitive environment around rewards and what that means for the intermediate term?Roger Hochschild:
Yes. Sure. So a lot of the most intense competition on rewards is in the super prime segment, and we’ve talked over the last year or two, how we think some of the propositions issuers are putting out aren’t necessarily sustainable in the long run. As John mentioned, our rewards costs are moving up exactly as we forecast. We haven’t felt the need to make any structural changes to our program. So as you can see from the growth in the new accounts, our value proposition competes very well in that prime revolver segment. And so while the market is always competitive, we bring a differentiated value proposition that resonates well with consumers.John Hecht:
Okay. And then second question is maybe thinking about like a 2021 cohort, and I know it’s probably early for the 2022 cohort, but what can you tell us in terms of how they’re seasoning utilization rates and kind of delinquency seasoning? Is there – is it back to what it looked like in 2019? Or is there something different that’s worth pointing out with respect to more recent vintages?Roger Hochschild:
Yes. I would say more recent vintages are performing exactly in line with our expectations, right? I mean every vintage got distorted during the pandemic. So you saw it cut across the curves. But again, we feel very good about the performance.John Hecht:
Okay. Thank you guys.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from John Pancari with Evercore. Your line is now open.John Pancari:
Good morning.Roger Hochschild:
Good morning.John Pancari:
On the efficiency ratio came in around 40% for the third quarter. And just given the commentary that you gave around the investments that you’re making and your expense expectations, can you maybe help us think about how that could shape up for the fourth quarter, and more importantly into 2023, how we could think about the trajectory there? Thanks.John Greene:
Yes. John thanks for the question. So, what we said in the past and what we’ve told our Board and what we’re targeting is an efficiency ratio in the high 30s [ph]. And through this year, we’ve done a pretty good job in terms of being able to deliver that. Certainly the really strong growth and the great performance through the first half on expense – on the expense base. And then the third quarter reflects some investments and despite those investments, still below 40%. We’re going to continue to make investments where we see an opportunity to drive great returns for our shareholders. And as we approach 2023, we are aware that the economic environment is a little tougher. We do feel like we have remaining tailwinds in terms of asset growth and we do have investments we’re going to continue to make. So, I would say for 2023 specifically, we will come out in January to give more specific details. But the overall commitments remain in place, commitment to positive operating leverage and efficiency ratio south of 40% and expense discipline while investing for growth.John Pancari:
Okay. Thank you. That’s helpful. And then on the reserve front, just wanted to get your take on how you see that trajecting here? I know you allowed the reserve to bleed a bit in terms of the ratio this quarter. But now as you’re seeing some of the normalization that you indicated and some of the pressure on delinquencies, how should we think about the reserve as you look here, particularly as you factor in the economic conditions and how you’re looking at the economy, the impact on the economy plays out? Thanks.John Greene:
Yes. Great. Yes, thanks for that question. So a little bit of context there. So, we put on about $5.5 billion to $5.6 billion worth of assets in the quarter. Our reserves increased by $304 million. So, as we look at the portfolio and the macro environment, we’re seeing the portfolio continuing to be very, very stable but normalizing. The macro environment indications of a recession are certainly increasing. Roger mentioned in his comments about some mild – in his comments about some mild tightening. So in terms of expectation around reserves, we’ll continue to take a look at the macros. We’ll run multiple scenarios and then make sure the balance sheet, the portfolio specifically continues to perform as anticipated and will make appropriate calls for reserves under GAAP. It’s really tough to give any specific guidance on that other than we’re going to be mindful of the macros, continue to watch the portfolio, and that prime revolver targeting we do, tends to add high-level stability. As matter of fact one other point that may be useful not specific to reserves, but rather charge-offs. You have to go all the way back to the second quarter of 2011 to see charge-offs that – charge-off rates that is north of 4%. So, we’re seeing great stability this year, and we expect it to be stable next year as well.John Pancari:
Got it. Okay, thanks for taking my questions.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Betsy Graseck with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.Betsy Graseck:
Hi, good morning.Roger Hochschild:
Good morning.Betsy Graseck:
I just wanted to see if I could get you to unpack your statement on no seismic changes in 2023. Maybe we could speak a little bit about how you’re thinking – and I know you just detailed a little bit, but how you’re thinking about how the loan yield should traject. I know in the slide deck, you called out that the loan yield was driven by prime obviously, but with a partial offset from higher promotional mix and the timing of pricing changes. Could you help us understand how that works? How much the promo mix and the timing impacted loan yields and how you’re thinking about that trajecting as we continue to go through a Fed rate hike period here?John Greene:
Okay. Yes. So there’s a lot there. And as you know, it’s fairly complex Betsy, but I’ll do my best to create some transparency here. So – and let me start with the loan yields. So 80% of our book is floating rate of the asset side. So as the Fed increases, that creates the opportunity to move the contract rate up with the Fed changes. And correspondingly, if the Fed were to come down, the contract rate would come down. So, what we’re seeing there is in a rising rate environment. We still expect 3 basis points to 5 basis points of yield improvement. So net interest margin yield improvement over a 12-month period. So, we saw significant increases in September. It looks like based on the forward curve, there’s another maybe as much as 125 basis points of further Fed action this year, and then next year, depending on the economy, there could be a couple more or there’ll be a pause. I don’t think there will be much in the way of Fed rate reductions until maybe as late as 2024. So what that means is, we’re going to get the benefit from the Fed rate increases into the portfolio. We’re seeing deposit pricing continue to go up. We haven’t been a price leader on that. Certainly, we’ve been a follower to make sure we have a positive value proposition for our customer base. And then the next question would be around betas and what do you think about betas. So, I’m going to try to address that right now. So as there’s greater disparity between our rates from a deposit standpoint and the brick-and-mortar banks. It creates plenty of opportunity for us to market into those customers and they’ll find an attractive value proposition, which should help dampen the impact of further rate increases. So, we do think the combination of the Fed increases, us being able to manage the deposit book, but in a rising rate environment, stability from a credit standpoint, but normalization, which will create a bit of incremental interest reversals impacting net interest margin. And then ultimately, the pricing decisions we’re going to make where we have that flexibility to make sure we’re making good decisions for our customers and for our shareholders. So ultimately, it nets out that we expect relative stability over net interest margin through 2023.Betsy Graseck:
Okay. Got it. And I appreciate that. Thanks. My follow-up has to do with the buyback discussion that we had earlier. And I know you mentioned that you’re hopeful it can resume in 4Q. Would you expect to put out an 8-K, that indicates that you can now resume buybacks? Or would we hear about buybacks only after you started, there’s no obligation to put a notification into the market that you can resume. Thanks.John Greene:
Correct. There isn’t an obligation, but we would likely put an 8-K out.Betsy Graseck:
Okay. No obligation, but you would likely do it. Okay. Thanks.John Greene:
Yes.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Robert Napoli with William Blair. Your line is now open.Robert Napoli:
Yes. Thank you and good morning. So, I just following up on – it was good to hear to resuming the buybacks. I guess that would suggest that the review is behind you. But would you expect them to get your to go towards your 10.5% target capital ratio? And over what time frame would you like to do that? Or what kind of a buffer do you want above that 10.5%?John Greene:
Yes. Hey Bob, thanks for the question. I just want to be very specific about something you said. And our comments have consistently been here on this call that we hope to resume the buyback in the fourth quarter. So, we say that because we’re hopeful, but there’s ultimately, it will be a decision that the Board helps with. So in terms of the 10.5% target, so we’ve been well north of that for quite some time, there’s – we have said that we want to step towards that, we intend to step towards that. So certainly, the earnings power that the firm has generated and the buybacks as well as dividends, have impacted our ability to get there. So we’re going to step towards that when throughout 2023 and 2024. What we said previously is, we hope to be around the 10.5% target, sometime in 2024 or 2025.Robert Napoli:
Thank you. And the follow-up, just on normalization of credit losses. As we think about normalized credit losses there, looking back over history, credit cards, high-3s, I guess, or mid-3s to high-3s personal loans in the 4% range. Is that the way we should think? Is there anything that’s changed? Should we continue to think about normalized credit losses in that kind of an area?John Greene:
Yes. Yes. So, I would put two points out there. First, I would take a look at the historical trends and use that and make certain judgments. The other item here, I’m going to say is a matter of judgment. But certainly, I have a belief that credit cards have increased in the payment priority because folks can access the digital economy without a credit card – some folks with a debit card, but most specifically around a credit card. So that, I believe, helps prioritize the primary credit card among many other debt obligations that a consumer has. So could that impact the relative charge-off rates versus the historical trend? My belief is yes, but your judgment is, what I’d say you should apply when you’re working through your forward-looking outlooks.Robert Napoli:
Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Don Fandetti with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.Don Fandetti:
John, personal loan growth was pretty strong this quarter. Just wanted to get your thoughts on the outlook there and growth. And also any updates on your home equity lending initiative?John Greene:
Yes. Yes, thanks for the question, Don. So certainly, nice growth there. On the personal loan front, you go back in a few quarters, and it was flat. And we said it was flat to down. Actually, if you go back three or four quarters as a result of some underwriting decisions we took. We’ve been – we set strength in the underwriting for that product, and it’s given us greater confidence to be able to market that product, and there’s been a high level of appeal to it. So, we’ll continue to be mindful of the product in the face of a tougher economic condition. But certainly, we feel like it’s a good product and its meeting customer needs, and that’s helped drive the growth. In terms of kind of forward-looking guidance, I’m not going to start to do that at a product level, all it would do is ensure that I was wrong more often. But if I go to the kind of the home equity loan, that’s portfolio is relatively small. So it’s actually not moving the dial at this point from an earnings standpoint. But what we’ve seen is a great level of interest in the second lien product, and we’re also originating a first lien product as well. So both products are performing well and nice appeal.Don Fandetti:
Thanks.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Mihir Bhatia with Bank of America. Your line is now open.Mihir Bhatia:
Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Maybe I just wanted to start with – if you just take your guidance for NIM and loan growth, and I think that works out about four point effectively works out of fourth quarter NIM of at least 11.2% and $3 billion plus NII. Is that the right way to think about it and frame the exit rate for NIM? And then should NIM, NII just increase from there given loan growth and your comments about NIM stability. Am I thinking of that correctly?John Greene:
Yes. So Mihir, thanks for the question. And I’m certainly appreciate the specificity. What I’ve said about NIM is probably as far as I’m going to go here on this call. We do expect sequential improvement, as I said. Beyond that, it will be tough to give specific details.Mihir Bhatia:
Okay. And then just wanted to ask about losses normalizing. A little previously, you had talked about it being in 2H 2023 is when we get to a more normalized loss rate. But I think there was talk that it could maybe push into even 2024 later. Any update on that? Thank you.John Greene:
Yes. So normalization through 2023 and the macro environment will help us determine whether it pushes 2023 into 2024. But where we’re sitting today, we’re very pleased with the portfolio performance and the only surprise is frankly, the pace of normalization on the upper end is a little slower than we expected, which helped drive the improved guidance that we gave on the charge-off rate.Mihir Bhatia:
Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Rick Shane with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.Rick Shane:
Thanks everyone for taking my question. Look, your customer base really represents a great sample of the domestic population. I’m curious when you look at spending on a category level basis, if there’s anything that you’re seeing that is a cause for concern, not asking are people spending more of the pump that’s obvious with the inflationary pressures. But are there categories where you’re seeing people use their cards that are signals for something we should be thinking about?Roger Hochschild:
Yes. Great question. So our base probably does skew a little upwards, so more in the prime, but we’re seeing continued strength in sales in October. So, I’d say, year-over-year in the low teens. Some of the trends you’ve heard about were picking up. So consumer durables softening in terms of year-over-year. But again, our households, by and large, they have the liquidity to absorb inflation. It causes some pain, and we’ll switch categories, we’ll downgrade within a category. But I would say travel is coming off some of the very, very strong growth we saw over the summer. So a little less strength in travel and consumer durables are probably the key trend.Rick Shane:
Got it. Thank you very much.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Bill Carcache with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.Bill Carcache:
Thank you. Good morning, Roger and John.John Greene:
Good morning.Bill Carcache:
You mentioned that operating conditions are consistent with late cycle expansion historically. Fed hiking cycles have typically ended in slowing loan growth, but you’re already exceptionally strong loan growth seems to be accelerating, and certainly, the whole industry is enjoying strong growth. Can you share any thoughts around how you’d expect the late cycle expansion to end? And I’ll just layer in my follow-up now. And if you can give any commentary around what level of unemployment is implicit in your reserve rate and what a change in unemployment would mean for the reserve rate, that would be very helpful?Roger Hochschild:
Yes. So great question. So, I mean, in terms of late cycle, I think back pre-pandemic, we talked about it being late cycle for a couple of years, and then it ended in a way that I think no one expected. And so that’s part of why we tend to use a through-the-cycle loss rate and look to be disciplined in our credit management. So while I would be, it’s not a time probably to be widening credit. We’re seeing a lot of benefits from the investments in advanced analytics, in particular, around the personal loan product and on the card side, where the growth we’re achieving the growth while swapping in and swapping out different populations. And again, with a policy that I think is appropriate for late cycle. And it builds on some of the really strong new account production we had in 2021 and as those accounts mature. So again, we’ll continue to look at it, both in terms of our portfolio actions as well as new account originations across all of our products, but we feel good about the credit approach and just the traction our products are getting in the marketplace. And I’ll pass it to John for part two.John Greene:
Yes. Hey, Bill and in terms of kind of fundamental assumptions for kind of reserve setting. So, as I said earlier, we used a number of different scenarios, which included kind of non-recession scenario as well as the recessionary scenario. The recessionary scenario that we modeled. We certainly didn’t wait as much as the non-recession and also the view in terms of the unemployment rate, there’s pretty wide range right now, right? So some forecasted going north of 6% in a very, what I’ll say, a dark scenario. The more optimistic scenario is 4%. And so we looked at a complete range of scenarios and weighted it more towards stability with increasing unemployment. GDP, not as big a driver, but certainly an indication for the economy. Today, we’re at about 1%, and in 2023 in a recessionary scenario; there would be mild contraction, not deep contraction. So we think, overall, there will be general stability despite a tougher macro.Bill Carcache:
Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question comes from Kevin Barker with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.Kevin Barker:
Thank you concerning the comments regarding unemployment rate, maybe some slight tightening on underwriting. That being said, are you seeing any minor shifts in consumer spending or payment patterns that may indicate certain pockets of stress, whether it’s the lower end of prime or other parts or maybe even certain vintages of customers that are on your books?Roger Hochschild:
Yes. I mean all the vintages are performing well. As John said, I think we’re seeing the normalization occur faster and pretty close to fully normalized for the lower end of prime. While the payment rate has softened a bit and come down by about 70 basis points, it remains 400 basis points higher than 2019 levels. And so I think that speaks to the fact that there’s still very strong employment market out there, people can find jobs, can find extra hours. And so a good amount of liquidity that is supporting the deferred for our segment.Kevin Barker:
Okay. And then I know it’s a fluid situation, but the student debt repayment is supposed to restart here maybe early next year or who knows, given what’s happening with the fighting in the courts, but do you expect any incremental impact to credit with a lot of student debt payments. Obviously, there’s the forgiveness is obviously a credit positive, but is there something that you could see as a potential headwind as student debt repayments restart here potentially in January?Roger Hochschild:
Not necessarily. We’ve watched it closely. I mean I think we have experienced an elevated payment rate, which has a dampening impact on loan growth as students have put more of their payments towards their private student loans. But we don’t see anything that would have a significant impact on credit.Kevin Barker:
Okay, thank you for taking my questions.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Mark DeVries with Barclays. Your line is now open.Mark DeVries:
Yes. Thanks. How should we think about how you manage expense discipline, if we start to see some revenue and credit weakness if the economy softens here?John Greene:
Yes. I would just simply say that we will take a look at the opportunities we have in front of us, and we’ll make what I hope will be great long-term decisions for our shareholders. And we’re going to be very, very mindful around discretionary spending and around employment decisions. So overall, we hope we’re good stewards of the company.Mark DeVries:
Okay. Got it. And then just given where the rewards cost has trended so far this year in the guidance I think you said it was 2 basis points but guidance is 2% to 4%. Is it right to assume that 4Q is a relatively big quarter for expenses? Maybe you’ve got more of the 5% categories this quarter.John Greene:
Yes. I wouldn’t necessarily assume that what the point of the guidance between two and four is that’s what we had said previously still within the range, and we wanted to keep it within the range. So that 2% to 4% is something that we’ve seen historically, and to an extent, managed to, and we’ll continue to do that. So I wouldn’t lean on any particular information to assume the fourth quarter is going to be extraordinarily high or low.Mark DeVries:
Okay, got it. Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Bill Ryan with Seaport Research Partners. Your line is now open.Bill Ryan:
Thanks. Good morning and a couple of quick questions. Just following up on the personal loans business. Historically, it’s been heavily focused on your credit card base. And I was just wondering if that’s still the case. And you also had, I’d say, very, very strong credit checks in that business, paying off creditors directly. Has anything changed there as well?Roger Hochschild:
No. So, I would say it’s pretty balanced in terms of cross-hold to the card base versus broad market. Probably the biggest change has been just the continued advancement in analytics and the underwriting approach there but very, very conservative. So a lot of employment verification, et cetera, heavily manual processes just to make sure we get it right because as opposed to the card business where you can manage credit as you go, you get one shot in personal loans. But again, I would say that the performance remains very, very strong there and it’s a lot of it thanks to that disciplined approach.Bill Ryan:
Okay. And just one follow-up on the promotional balances, that’s kind of been brought up on the card book for the last several quarters. Is it still increasing as a percentage of the overall card portfolio? Or is it kind of stabilized and maybe give us some historical perspective of where it stands to recent history? Thanks.John Greene:
Yes. Thanks. It’s stabilized in the third quarter, basically approach stabilization into the second quarter and it’s very close to where it has been historically.Bill Ryan:
Okay, thanks for taking my questions.John Greene:
You’re welcome.Operator:
Thank you. Our next question will come from Dominick Gabriele with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.Dominick Gabriele:
Hey, thanks so much for taking my questions. Throughout the call and throughout other calls, you’ve kind of laid out your playbook and pieces in particular on the credit side for a slowing economy. But maybe, Roger, you can just provide us with a more holistic idea of what discover would change across various pieces of the businesses to protect profitability in a, of tougher economic environment? And then I just have a follow-up. Thank you.Roger Hochschild:
Yes. I’d start by saying we don’t necessarily optimize on protecting profitability on a quarter-by-quarter basis. We focus on sort of delivering long-term value to the shareholders. And I think as I’ve been in this business a while, people who just totally got marketing in a downturn, miss out on what usually turn out to be some of the most profitable vintages. And so yes, you cut marketing mainly because as you tighten the credit box, there are fewer people to market, too. But I think we try and operate our company almost like we’re always in a recession, always be conserved on credit or was be tied on expenses, there’s more you can do, especially around discretionary items. But that ability to keep momentum through a downturn has really distinguished us in previous cycles, and we would try and do that again.Dominick Gabriele:
Okay. Great. Thank you. And I think it’d be really helpful to understand what your – both of your views are on the normalization of the personal loan portfolio net charge-offs versus the credit card portfolio. Consensus has such a huge ramp on the personal loan side versus credit cards for 2023 and – not looking for specific guidance, but is there any reason why there would be such a difference in faster normalization on the personal loan side versus credit card as far as basis point movement as a percentage of loans? Thanks so much guys.Roger Hochschild:
Yes. I mean we haven’t put out product-by-product guidance. But I would say that given how we underwrite the personal loans, I’m not sure why our portfolio would jump much faster than the card book. In general, we have a higher FICO for the personal loans business. They do tend to be a little more volatile than card in a recession. But I wouldn’t – that isn’t necessarily behavior I would expect.Dominick Gabriele:
Great. Thanks so much.Eric Wasserstrom:
All right. Well, thank you everyone for joining us. And thank you, Katie. And if there’s any additional follow-ups, please reach out to the IR team. We’ll be here and looking forward to speaking with you. Thanks, and have a great day.John Greene:
Thank you.Operator:
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s event. You may now disconnect.
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